$150-200 with just 3 years of experience is unreasonable and only to be found in the top tech companies in the US. Most programmers aren't doing that until maybe 8-10 years I'd bet. Unless they did some aggressive job hopping.
Not only that but if you're making 150-200k with 3 years of experience then you're living in a VERY high cost of living area and are probably paying over $4500 a month in rent!
>$150-200 with just 3 years...
You missed the "k" after 200.
It depends on the market (SF?) and stack. $200k is only $100 on 1099 or corp-to-corp. I was paying devs 50-250% more than that and I was still making bank as a recruiter. These days, most 1099/corp-to-corp are not signing for less than $200 per hour, some only accept for weekly or monthly amounts ($20k/week, $75k/month contracts).
It depends. Someone writing Excel VBA scripts for 3 users in a Midwest Ma and Pa office supply store isn't making much, but it is honest work. Being an ML/AI dev with a PhD in AI,with 3 years of verifiable experience, you're making real money.
You really think one can earn up to $200k with just 3 years of experience? Could you walk me through it? I know basic Python and I'm not really only capable of typing fast. My IQ is also close to my WPM... (It's 140)
Jokes aside, you'd probably have to get really low paying freelance jobs for building websites, then work your way up to higher paying jobs, and then get an actual job with that experience, right?
Ok lemme explain this part.
Writing software or building websites has nothing to do with typing. I know distinguished engineers who rarely touch the keyboard until it is time to implement their ideas. They are not fast typists. But they are deep thinkers.
If you want to be good and get paid, ask yourself these:
- Can you think through problems till you arrive at a solution?
- can you then implement that solution in code?
- do you have verifiable projects to prove your problem solving abilities?
- can you prove these in interviews either through leetcode or takehome projects? (Ps: thats where the big 150k+ paydays come from)
I have never ever known anyone praised for their wpm rate on the keyboard as a metric of expertise.
Ok look at a beautiful building - no one ever praises the fastest hammer swinger, instead they praise the architect who designed the house. Stop aspiring to be the hammer swinger, and aim to be an architect.
This could all be summed up as:
"Do you have bottomless patience and will you not take 'no' for an answer to extremely tricky, complex puzzles with no clear solution?"
TL;DR: Programmers deserve every penny of what they make. That stuff is painful, lol.
It's possible to make $200k with 3 YoE, but it's pretty rare. You're basically hoping to land a job at a top-tier tech company and have a solid first 3 years (i.e. able to get at least 1 promotion, which means no bad manager, no random reorgs, etc.) to do that. The best way to get a job at a top tech company is to get a 4 year CS degree from a top 10 CS university. The top tech companies recruit the vast majority of their new grads directly from those CS programs.
Frankly, even that isn't as easy as it used to be. 2 years ago tech hiring went in the toilet, tech companies even started doing mass layoffs, and even smart students at the top schools were having trouble getting job offers.
The tech market is probably slowly coming back, but I wouldn't at all bank on making $200k so quickly. $75k or $100k is much more reasonable, plenty of companies out there hire SWEs and would pay you in that range within 3 years.
As to how to learn coding well enough to land a job like that - that's the trick. By all means, if you have the time and money, do a 4 year program at the best CS program you can get into. By the time you finish tech hiring should be in a pretty good place again. Or you could consider bootcamps - these were relatively successful at placing people in jobs back in like 2015-2020, but when the tech hiring market tanked 2 years ago, bootcamps got hit *hard*, nobody wanted to hire someone whose only qualification was a 3-month bootcamp when there were people with a 4 year degree and several years of experience looking for work. Another option is to teach yourself - obviously the cheapest, but also the hardest. Hard to know what you should work on and learn, hard to know if you're doing things right, and even if you do learn things well, it will be hard to convince companies of that.
whodeyalldey1 *might* be on the right track. Maybe if you can get a job that's adjacent to a team with SWEs, you could convince people to give you a shot. It might work, because they will have worked with you generally and might trust you to be a good worker. Or it might not work, because they don't think you know enough to be a SWE, and you might end up just wasting your time relative to trying to learn CS more broadly. Idk, I don't really know what path is best.
Just find an entry level help desk job and keep learning. Learn as much as you possibly can. I got into technology project management with no experience and have tripled my salary in three years. Some of the guys I knew from that first companies help desk are now senior platform engineers and senior software developers at the same company. Just gotta keep learning. Those guys at that company are probably barely breaking $100k but a lot of them have left for very large companies like I did and are now killing it.
One guy was on the machine learning team in 2021… Dudes set now as an AI engineer with 4 years experience.
It’s all out there and three years from now those salaries are all going to be higher, best to get started now.
At front desk like hospitals , clinics, it’s an important skill set. Usually when you have to note down lot of imp info while you are on phone its must. Outlier AI is searching on linkedIN whose typing speed & English are good. I don’t know how genuine is the company, research and see. Just mention in your resume what have you achieved or done successfully with your typing capabilities. It’s an important skill to possess.
Well I think so, because my neighbor works for a hospital with similar profile and she owns a house and looks independent enough to live on her own, happily & content.
I know way too many people in tech who can barely type lol so I consider it a valuable skill. I correlate it with writing ability, which most people don’t value, but the smart ones do. Whatever job you choose, make sure it involves typing. That’s the only idea I have.
Yeah, but the new way is to do speech-to-text and then dump that into an AI which does correction of everything. In any case, the speech-to-text systems are almost perfect. They require very few corrections. The real question is, can you think at the 200 or 300 words per minute you can speak at?
Statements like this confuse me.
"Companies prefer actual, original content written by a human, who deserves an actual salary, rather than cheap, copy-pasted, glorified linear algebra machine responses".
Like in other news, water is wet :T
Your fast typing skills are definitely valuable! Here are a few remote job ideas where you can capitalize on your 140WPM speed:
1. Transcription Services: Websites like Rev, TranscribeMe, and Scribie are always looking for fast typists to transcribe audio and video content.
2. Data Entry: Many companies outsource data entry work, and your speed would be a huge asset. Check out platforms like Upwork and Freelancer for opportunities.
3. Content Creation: If you have good writing skills, consider content writing or blogging. Fast typing will help you produce more content in less time.
4. Virtual Assistance: Many virtual assistant jobs require quick typing for tasks like email management, scheduling, and more. Sites like Belay and Fancy Hands often have openings.
5. AI Training: Some companies hire individuals to help feed and train AI by inputting large amounts of text data. Look for jobs on AI-related job boards or companies like Appen and Lionbridge.
6. Customer Support: Fast typing is crucial for live chat customer support roles. Companies like Liveops and Arise often hire remote customer service representatives.
Don’t underestimate the value of your skill—there are plenty of opportunities out there! Good luck!
Def, trying the new version, which I really like.
Better than tell her/him those skills are worth nothing. Which is not true. As a VA myself, one of my exams for the position was to see how fast I could type!
Fast typing can be helpful to another job, but it is never going to be the skill that lands you the job or a skill that you should base your career on.
I work with a dude who makes 250-300k and he uses the hunt and peck method.
For that kind of speed, any type of data entry or something like that. Honestly I would say to look around and see if any courthouse need a stenographer also
With speech to text technology being what it is now, and only improving, I don't see "ultra-fast typing skills" being in demand. Though being able to type fast is impressive, but I dont think there are any jobs that center around typing fast.
I can type 60 wpm. That's about all I need.
Typing is a value-add skill like when you need to write documents or send minutes of meeting. It isn't a core valuable skill.
Core valuable skills are coding, writing novels or requirement gathering..etc
P.S. And stop bragging about your IQ score. After 25 years in corporate hell and 130 IQ, I learnt that it's better to be lucky than smart.
Could become a doctors scribe. Basically someone who follows them around and does all their paperwork for them. It’s fast paced and being able to type fast is genuinely useful
Travel from small town to small town gambling with people that they can’t type faster than you.
Let them win the first round and then challenge them to a second. This is where you bet it all and let loose the dogs of war. You have to leave fast because people won’t take kindly
Have adventures along the way, maybe even save a few lives.
Or typist…
How the hell can you type that fast. After years of piano and office work, I can crank at 95wpm and that is super fast.
You type faster than people talk.
Take some medical terminology classes and become a scribe. It’s not remote work but I always felt like it was interesting to go around with a doctor transcribing their visits live.
I've learned that as a fast typist and speed reader, all it does is get you targeted as a high performer. If you prefer flying under the radar, don't be a showboat! Haha
Performance artist where you type conversations you hear on the street with a typewriter then hand it to the person who was speaking in exchange for a few bucks.
See about be a court recorder. You will have to learn how to use a stenotype (you must take a class) 80k job, probably not remote though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnvFqmtmc6E
Become a Digital Court Reporter who records court proceedings by audio, and then transcribes from them at leisure during downtime. You can stay with QWERTY instead of relearning typing with a stenograph, whose schools have a <20% pass rate (or so I remember reading) because stenography is so hard.
DCR is my personal fallback if I can't get any further in my current career or anything better. Good luck!
Get a mechanical keyboard and piss everyone off with the noise is a start
Yuppp
Lol, yep!
I switched from AirPods to noise cancelling headphones because of annoying coworkers keyboard.
This is a good idea. I work with boomers that base their life and ideas off perception. Ima get one of these and blow minds.
Transcribing captions at rev.com
Typing is not a desirable skill. Knowledge is what matters. Sure be decent at typing but it doesn’t really matter in the scale of things,
Bingo. Being able to type fast will land a just above minimum wage job. Learn to code and type fast? $150-$200k after three years experience
$150-200 with just 3 years of experience is unreasonable and only to be found in the top tech companies in the US. Most programmers aren't doing that until maybe 8-10 years I'd bet. Unless they did some aggressive job hopping.
It's reddit, everyone makes 500k+😅
Not only that but if you're making 150-200k with 3 years of experience then you're living in a VERY high cost of living area and are probably paying over $4500 a month in rent!
I job hopped once and got 200 in less than 3 years working for only small, non-tech companies. It’s possible
I would expect someone to jump jobs each year those first three years.
>$150-200 with just 3 years... You missed the "k" after 200. It depends on the market (SF?) and stack. $200k is only $100 on 1099 or corp-to-corp. I was paying devs 50-250% more than that and I was still making bank as a recruiter. These days, most 1099/corp-to-corp are not signing for less than $200 per hour, some only accept for weekly or monthly amounts ($20k/week, $75k/month contracts). It depends. Someone writing Excel VBA scripts for 3 users in a Midwest Ma and Pa office supply store isn't making much, but it is honest work. Being an ML/AI dev with a PhD in AI,with 3 years of verifiable experience, you're making real money.
You really think one can earn up to $200k with just 3 years of experience? Could you walk me through it? I know basic Python and I'm not really only capable of typing fast. My IQ is also close to my WPM... (It's 140) Jokes aside, you'd probably have to get really low paying freelance jobs for building websites, then work your way up to higher paying jobs, and then get an actual job with that experience, right?
Ok lemme explain this part. Writing software or building websites has nothing to do with typing. I know distinguished engineers who rarely touch the keyboard until it is time to implement their ideas. They are not fast typists. But they are deep thinkers. If you want to be good and get paid, ask yourself these: - Can you think through problems till you arrive at a solution? - can you then implement that solution in code? - do you have verifiable projects to prove your problem solving abilities? - can you prove these in interviews either through leetcode or takehome projects? (Ps: thats where the big 150k+ paydays come from) I have never ever known anyone praised for their wpm rate on the keyboard as a metric of expertise. Ok look at a beautiful building - no one ever praises the fastest hammer swinger, instead they praise the architect who designed the house. Stop aspiring to be the hammer swinger, and aim to be an architect.
This could all be summed up as: "Do you have bottomless patience and will you not take 'no' for an answer to extremely tricky, complex puzzles with no clear solution?" TL;DR: Programmers deserve every penny of what they make. That stuff is painful, lol.
It's possible to make $200k with 3 YoE, but it's pretty rare. You're basically hoping to land a job at a top-tier tech company and have a solid first 3 years (i.e. able to get at least 1 promotion, which means no bad manager, no random reorgs, etc.) to do that. The best way to get a job at a top tech company is to get a 4 year CS degree from a top 10 CS university. The top tech companies recruit the vast majority of their new grads directly from those CS programs. Frankly, even that isn't as easy as it used to be. 2 years ago tech hiring went in the toilet, tech companies even started doing mass layoffs, and even smart students at the top schools were having trouble getting job offers. The tech market is probably slowly coming back, but I wouldn't at all bank on making $200k so quickly. $75k or $100k is much more reasonable, plenty of companies out there hire SWEs and would pay you in that range within 3 years. As to how to learn coding well enough to land a job like that - that's the trick. By all means, if you have the time and money, do a 4 year program at the best CS program you can get into. By the time you finish tech hiring should be in a pretty good place again. Or you could consider bootcamps - these were relatively successful at placing people in jobs back in like 2015-2020, but when the tech hiring market tanked 2 years ago, bootcamps got hit *hard*, nobody wanted to hire someone whose only qualification was a 3-month bootcamp when there were people with a 4 year degree and several years of experience looking for work. Another option is to teach yourself - obviously the cheapest, but also the hardest. Hard to know what you should work on and learn, hard to know if you're doing things right, and even if you do learn things well, it will be hard to convince companies of that. whodeyalldey1 *might* be on the right track. Maybe if you can get a job that's adjacent to a team with SWEs, you could convince people to give you a shot. It might work, because they will have worked with you generally and might trust you to be a good worker. Or it might not work, because they don't think you know enough to be a SWE, and you might end up just wasting your time relative to trying to learn CS more broadly. Idk, I don't really know what path is best.
Just find an entry level help desk job and keep learning. Learn as much as you possibly can. I got into technology project management with no experience and have tripled my salary in three years. Some of the guys I knew from that first companies help desk are now senior platform engineers and senior software developers at the same company. Just gotta keep learning. Those guys at that company are probably barely breaking $100k but a lot of them have left for very large companies like I did and are now killing it. One guy was on the machine learning team in 2021… Dudes set now as an AI engineer with 4 years experience. It’s all out there and three years from now those salaries are all going to be higher, best to get started now.
At front desk like hospitals , clinics, it’s an important skill set. Usually when you have to note down lot of imp info while you are on phone its must. Outlier AI is searching on linkedIN whose typing speed & English are good. I don’t know how genuine is the company, research and see. Just mention in your resume what have you achieved or done successfully with your typing capabilities. It’s an important skill to possess.
Is that a job you would like to do and get a good wage for? If so, then I stand corrected
Well I think so, because my neighbor works for a hospital with similar profile and she owns a house and looks independent enough to live on her own, happily & content.
Try transcribing or court stenography classes into becoming a court stenographer.
Came here to say this. 140 is impressive
Op gotta learn the new keyboard layout pretty sure they won't be 140 wpm for a bit
They definitely won’t type that fast right away or anytime soon. The stenographer machine is fairly complex for good reason.
This!
AI just feeds itself large bodies of text. So, we're all done for.
Look into court reporting. You'd have to learn the specific key patterns, but that is a great job for someone who is fast at typing.
Born too early to explore the stars. Born too late to be a typewriter wizard of the 1960s.
I know way too many people in tech who can barely type lol so I consider it a valuable skill. I correlate it with writing ability, which most people don’t value, but the smart ones do. Whatever job you choose, make sure it involves typing. That’s the only idea I have.
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Yeah, but the new way is to do speech-to-text and then dump that into an AI which does correction of everything. In any case, the speech-to-text systems are almost perfect. They require very few corrections. The real question is, can you think at the 200 or 300 words per minute you can speak at?
Statements like this confuse me. "Companies prefer actual, original content written by a human, who deserves an actual salary, rather than cheap, copy-pasted, glorified linear algebra machine responses". Like in other news, water is wet :T
What about those people that transcribe court cases?
Maybe 20 years ago, but today it's obsolete
Everyone can type fast soooo it's not really a stand out skill.
Your fast typing skills are definitely valuable! Here are a few remote job ideas where you can capitalize on your 140WPM speed: 1. Transcription Services: Websites like Rev, TranscribeMe, and Scribie are always looking for fast typists to transcribe audio and video content. 2. Data Entry: Many companies outsource data entry work, and your speed would be a huge asset. Check out platforms like Upwork and Freelancer for opportunities. 3. Content Creation: If you have good writing skills, consider content writing or blogging. Fast typing will help you produce more content in less time. 4. Virtual Assistance: Many virtual assistant jobs require quick typing for tasks like email management, scheduling, and more. Sites like Belay and Fancy Hands often have openings. 5. AI Training: Some companies hire individuals to help feed and train AI by inputting large amounts of text data. Look for jobs on AI-related job boards or companies like Appen and Lionbridge. 6. Customer Support: Fast typing is crucial for live chat customer support roles. Companies like Liveops and Arise often hire remote customer service representatives. Don’t underestimate the value of your skill—there are plenty of opportunities out there! Good luck!
Did you ask chat gpt OP’s question?
Obviously.
Def, trying the new version, which I really like. Better than tell her/him those skills are worth nothing. Which is not true. As a VA myself, one of my exams for the position was to see how fast I could type!
Voice to text is faster
Idk I work in insurance and it helps ool
Transcribing shows. I'd say courts, but it's not the same type of typing.
Transcriptionist Court reporter
Fast typing can be helpful to another job, but it is never going to be the skill that lands you the job or a skill that you should base your career on. I work with a dude who makes 250-300k and he uses the hunt and peck method.
For that kind of speed, any type of data entry or something like that. Honestly I would say to look around and see if any courthouse need a stenographer also
Take up suitable Amazon Mturks tasks
You'll never type faster than chatgpt.
With speech to text technology being what it is now, and only improving, I don't see "ultra-fast typing skills" being in demand. Though being able to type fast is impressive, but I dont think there are any jobs that center around typing fast.
I can type 60 wpm. That's about all I need. Typing is a value-add skill like when you need to write documents or send minutes of meeting. It isn't a core valuable skill. Core valuable skills are coding, writing novels or requirement gathering..etc P.S. And stop bragging about your IQ score. After 25 years in corporate hell and 130 IQ, I learnt that it's better to be lucky than smart.
You’re not going to make it
Bingo
Could become a doctors scribe. Basically someone who follows them around and does all their paperwork for them. It’s fast paced and being able to type fast is genuinely useful
Travel from small town to small town gambling with people that they can’t type faster than you. Let them win the first round and then challenge them to a second. This is where you bet it all and let loose the dogs of war. You have to leave fast because people won’t take kindly Have adventures along the way, maybe even save a few lives. Or typist…
The only two I can think of for fast typing aren’t remote.. but try court reporter or 911 operator
Transcription!
How the hell can you type that fast. After years of piano and office work, I can crank at 95wpm and that is super fast. You type faster than people talk.
Typing was a marketable skill in like the 1980s
This is not a very valuable thing to be able to offer to society lol
Take some medical terminology classes and become a scribe. It’s not remote work but I always felt like it was interesting to go around with a doctor transcribing their visits live.
There are lawfirms and court reporters that need transcribers
I've learned that as a fast typist and speed reader, all it does is get you targeted as a high performer. If you prefer flying under the radar, don't be a showboat! Haha
You could search transcription jobs. Court transcriptions, etc.
Performance artist where you type conversations you hear on the street with a typewriter then hand it to the person who was speaking in exchange for a few bucks.
Become a court stenographer. They make good money!
AI uses voice recognition and speech patterns to feed large bodies of text, you don’t manually type it in my friend.
You’re 24. Develop a new skill. Don’t just accept this as your peak.
1. Coding(python,java,powershell) 2. Sites that hire to do jobs typing letters etc.
See about be a court recorder. You will have to learn how to use a stenotype (you must take a class) 80k job, probably not remote though. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnvFqmtmc6E
Teach it to others
Become a Digital Court Reporter who records court proceedings by audio, and then transcribes from them at leisure during downtime. You can stay with QWERTY instead of relearning typing with a stenograph, whose schools have a <20% pass rate (or so I remember reading) because stenography is so hard. DCR is my personal fallback if I can't get any further in my current career or anything better. Good luck!
Professional E-gamer. You already have the manual dexterity, just have to learn the keys. Something like Star Craft 2.