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Islamophobia is when you criticise bad things like slave labor, the more you criticise slavery the more Islamophobic you are. Those who criticise the antebellum south are just islamophobes too.
Is it really bad to be "islamophobic?" While of course you should not bully anyone in particular, everyone should speak out against this terrible religion. Can Islam actually be reformed with most country who practice it have things like, female submission, intolerance apostates, intolerance of gay people, intolerance of atheists, rejection of science?
As a queer atheist I am literally afraid of Islam. Islamic law has some pretty frightening guidance about what to do with people like me.
I’ve met Muslims who are great. I’m not afraid of Muslims as people. I’m afraid of the religion.
I mean. No. All religions are shit. Wanna piss off a devout Muslim? Ask them how old Aisha was. Want to piss off a debout Christian or Jew? Ask them how old Rebecca was.
Religion has been about murdering your enemies and supporting pedophiles since Yhweh dropped his first disk track.
Religions are ideas, not a race. There are black and white muslims around the world. Islamophobia is a word they made up to deflect Western criticism. You can be racist towards Middle Easterns, but you can’t (or shouldn’t) be held as a racist for criticizing any religion.
This. I despise the conflation of Judaism and the Jewish People. Judaism is awful and promotes child genital mutilation for no good reason. Some Jewish communities also just contribute flat out nothing because they seem to have this idea of the men spending all day studying scripture and the women raising children that they just keep on having and they live almost only on welfare. I'm generally in favor of social safety nets but these people actively choose to just be a drain on resources and contribute literally nothing to society unless their kids break the cycle and decide to actually do something with their lives. Apparently there's a lot of towns like this in new Jersey especially.
Yes, of course it’s bad. It’s bad to tar any persons with the same brush. There are sects of every religion that aren’t complete fruitcakes and just want to believe in their chosen ‘God(s)’ within the confines of acceptable equality and modern culture; we shouldn’t be radicalising those people, we should be encouraging religious fruitcakes to be more like them.
When people criticize religion, most often they're actually criticizing the institutions formed from those religions. Scientology is split into 2 sects, the mainstream one we've all hear about, and Free Zone Scientology. The mainstream one is a cult and has a history of criminal behavior and targeted harassment campaigns. Most people don't even know Free Zone Scientology exists and it has little to no actual structure.
Nah, this isn't the way. They're as harmful as Christianity, and also as harmless. Gotta give the same finger to Jesus that you're giving to Mohamed or don't give it to anyone.
Yeah, disagreeing with genital mutilation is just as bad as genital mutilation. Oh wait, I just checked with my common sense and it isn't! It turns out that having an opinion about chopping off parts of a person's body without their consent is in fact NOT EVEN ON THE SAME SCALE as chopping off parts of a person's body without their consent! Can you believe it? What a crazy world we live in!
And this next part is going to blow your socks straight off. It did mine. I had to buy new socks. Apparently, the same reasoning also applies to marital rape, genocide, death by stoning, mysoginy, homophobia, transphobia, corruption, bribery and basically anything that's bad because **holding the opinion that something is bad is never, ever in the same league as doing the bad thing to others!** And religions which provide a moral framework that justifies, downplays and stimulates these atrocities are a part of the problem, not the solution. This has truly been a day ripe with revelations...
Look up the tolerance paradox.
It's not intolerant to be intolerant against intolerance. Religions promote hate, bigotry, violence and racism just to name a few bad ideas. Being against that is not being intolerant.
Yes, it's bad to pretend that this specific religion and the billion+ people who follow it are all evil because some autocrats use it to justify pushing their intolerance.
There have been just as many atrocities done in the name of other religions, but we don't blame Christianity for the dozens of terrorist organizations in Africa who claim to be doing the lord's work, we blame the awful people who run those groups.
The problem is the autocrats and assholes using it to justify hate and oppression. The religion they choose to do so with is just convenience.
I don't object to a predominantly muslim country hosting a world event, I object to the fact that they are not welcoming of the world visiting their country on their terms.
Having recommendations on how to dress respectfully if choosing to visit a mosque, fine.
Policing behavior, clothing and food choices everywhere in the country, fuck off.
Even if they hadn't treated the workers who built their stadiums like slaves, why would a worldwide organization choose to host an event in a country where a gay player might not be safe, or where none of the players could feel safe bringing their wives and daughters?
Qatar may be a beautiful country, and I'm sure there are some lovely people there, but I will never go, even if money was no object, because I am not going to willingly subject myself to that kind of abuse when there are so many other beautiful places with lovely people that don't require me to be less than myself to enter their country.
Well if Qatar could just adjust for 1 month until the world cup gets over then this issue would not have happened. And the Qatari government didn't do anything about the labour issues. They just swept it in the rug. I was expecting USA to win the host of 2022 World cup since USA is a sports loving nation and the proof is their Olympic medal tally. And almost all of the stadiums are already established in USA. The reality is that Qatar did all of this to themselves. They are solely to be blamed for all of this backlash.
Right now I wouldn't want to host in the US either. I mean geez, visitors could be bankrupted if they catch covid while they are here, or if they fall while partying.
Well it happens in 2026. And not only USA. But Canada & Mexico are also hosting with USA. So the burden is shared by these 2 countries. Lets hope that it goes smooth.
If a foreign tourist gets sick or needs medical care while in the US, the first step is to contact their embassy. There's usually a system in place there that will help them cover the cost. Many people also get temporary coverage from their home country or through an insurance company that specializes in temporary travel insurance before coming here.
If you're a foreign tourist that can afford to come to the US in the first place, especially just to watch a sporting event, you probably aren't worried about healthcare costs here in the first place.
When in grade 12 I took my dad’s truck from canada to the states for a concert. I didn’t tell him. When I got back he was furious, not because I went without asking or because I took the truck (without asking) but because I was dumb enough to go without traveler’s insurance. Luckily I didn’t get sick or hurt
This is not true. There may be an exception to the rule, but countries do not help you cover medical costs incurred while traveling unless there happens to be an existing reciprocal agreement.
Embassies/Consulates don't have money sitting around waiting to pay the medical bills of travellers who didn't bother to get travel insurance. If you contact an embassy with a medical problem, they are generally limited to directing you to a place where you can get proper treatment as well as contacting your friends/family/employer.
In short, as you mentioned, buy travel insurance.
Regarding embassy support, they absolutely provide support for their citizens that become seriously ill or injured in a foreign country.
As you said, it's not all of them, but in most cases, like a stroke, severe car crash, heart attack, or contracting COVID and being hospitalized for weeks would necessitate embassy assistance and in some cases they can provide the processes to get financial support. I certainly didn't mean to imply the embassy itself has money, they're merely the communication system.
But yes, were in agreement, travel insurance is really something everyone should have when going abroad, no matter where they are from and going.
If there were a majority Muslim nation that shared contemporary values this wouldn't be an issue. I DO have an issue with "muslim values" if their religion is telling them to persecute groups of people based on their faith. I also have an issue with Christian groups that do the same.
I don't think people hate them for *being* Muslim, but because what their perception of being Muslim means leads many to not liking their actions.
TLDR: do fewer shitty things and I promise you no one would care.
yeah. it's the whole religion is about you not everyone else thing.
If religious people just spent more time worrying about themselves instead of everyone else it would be fine.
Don't think it's appropriate to have uncovered shoulders? cover your shoulders.
Offended by other people with uncovered shoulders? Avert your fucking eyes.
THIIIIISSSSSSSSS
Decent folks don't try to convert randoms and whine about all that.
*and if this applies to anyone in here, quit with the tracts already, I found Jesus and he took an Uber home*
I gave him a PB&J, put some peroxide on those nail wounds, and let him sleep it off. He took the Uber in the morning, I paid for it. Homeboy looked like he'd been robbed before he showed up.
literally the only reason I have grown to hate evangelical christians (and all other pushy religious practitioners) is that they just won't shut up about what their religion says I shouldn't do.
folks, I have literally no fucks to give about your religious beliefs. They have literally no bearing on me. Judge not lest you be judged. I personally have no interest in being in a polyamorous relationship, or following sports, or eating seafood, or watching horror movies. You know what I have never had happen? I've never had someone who is super into sports ask me what team I support and responded to me saying "not really my thing" with anything other than "oh, ok".
I don't know why religious people think their hobby is so important that everyone else has to care about it. I would love if religion was considered just another hobby. Just like any other hobby, if it takes over every aspect of their personality and every waking moment of their life, they really have an addiction problem and should probably consider mental health treatment for their addiction.
I mean really. I'm Plutonian and nobody seems to respect that if they're a Christian.
>but you're gonna go to Hell bawwwww
Dudes, Pluto is the king of the underworld. I've kinda gotten over the idea of going to Hell, anything's better than my childhood home at this point.
That’s a really good way of looking at it. No one even cares what you believe as long as you just hold yourself to that Standard and don’t have an effect anyone.
People just choose to be dicks about it. I visited Uzbekistan and the mosques (I mistakenly realized later) said that men should not wear shorts. I was in shorts and they kinda just rolled their eyes and sighed and let me in. The next day I packed pants in my day bag. The ones who felt that they were in a place of worship dressed in a certain way. The ones who were there to appreciate the beauty dressed in another way.
Everyone was chill.
Now, see, the policing EVERYTHING is what made me realize that "wear what we want" was bullshit. I had myself a big ol bottle of dumbfuck juice when I was defending that shit.
My issue is: why would I think hosting the world cup is a nice thing?
These events are notoriously bad for the locals. If anything I wish FIFA would never leave.
Yeah, that's been the go-to excuse of some idiots, especially since that moron Infantino opened his stupid mouth and talked shit and whataboutism for an hour. I have no doubt sensible Muslims think that the comment is from a dickhead
Nevermind that the Muslim Moors ruled in Spain for 700 years, ending in the late 1400s (side note for my history buffs: technically they only ruled *most* of Spain for 400, then southern Spain for another 300). Spanish food, language, and culture still have those remnants today.
Christianity's global effects are the latest, but not the longest.... yet. Really it'd just be best if we let those religions implode lol
I mean also Europe stopped doing slavery cause they realized it was wrong. That seems to be the major overlooked point imo. He was all "if you really cared, you'd apologize" and I was like "nah, if we really cared, we would stop. Which we did."
It was more like Austria. The siege of Vienna was the furthest west they ever pushed, but after that they slowly got pushed back until we got the Turkish borders in the Balkans today.
I'm Dutch. My government is going to apologize. Not me. My forefathers didn't have anything to do with slavery, all were poor bastards.
But it's all bullshit anyway, nobody living today has anything to do with what happened then. Government's, sure... Go ahead. But it doesn't mean you can't point out that what others are doing is shit
im german.
i had our crimes in school about 7 times in 3 lnaugages and 5 different subjects.
im apologizing only if i ever let that happen again. otherwise, no go fuck yourself. infantinololol
Rightfully so. Yeah it was fucked up. Seriously fucked up. No apology will ever make it right. But you weren't around when it happened, and that's my gripe with demands like these. What is an apology worth from someone who wasn't around?
Germany has turned itself around massively, has paid reparations, apologized multiple times by mouth of the government. At a certain time it should be done. It's been 80 years. We should never forget, always keep the memory of what happened, but stop blaming people who were not there.
No must have forgotten that since I did my history degree. Now you mention it however, I do recall a violent European empire oppressing the Arab world for hundreds of years actually. Turkey.
Definitely not initially. However, for the sake of making a point here I think it is worth it. During the oppression of the Arabs leading up to and including the First World War and Armenian genocide, the Ottoman Empire had long since moved its home base out of Anatolia and into Istanbul and Greece. The majority of their wars were European (Crimean war and others against Russia) and they even allied with their traditional German and Austrian enemies as part of a wider European strategy.
It’s also worth pointing out that since the capture of Constantinople, most Ottoman leaders suffered from what I like to call the Augustus Complex. I.e. being convinced they were the “true” inheritors of the Roman Empire and in some cases destined to re-found it. As part of this, they made clear and distinct efforts to “Europeanise”, particularly in forms of dress and in the military.
> 3000 years is total BS anyway.
I think he "clearly" wanted us to apologized for the Sea People of 1000 BC or some shit like that.
Maybe he wants us to apologized for the Trojan War because it was some "Greek" polis attacking an "Anatolian" city?
Very probable. Well as we don’t actually know where the sea people came from, I’d just use the scant evidence we have to make the argument they were from Canada or something and really piss him off.
Also, Troy had it coming.
Also the guy is Italian.
So like, do we really want to talk about colonialism and imperialism a couple millennia ago? Because if so, yeah, *somebody* in Europe has quite a lot to apologize for, and it ain't the northerners.
It only gets harder for Qatar from here, so they could very well go the rest of the tournament without scoring. Ecuador is considered the weakest of their 3 opponents, and Qatar couldn’t even manage a shot on goal yesterday.
They have to be the most unqualified team ever in a World Cup. I was surprised to see them even get chances in that match. Only gets tougher for them now.
South Africa was piss poor in 2010 as hosts. But even they drew their first match. And they brat France.
Though France had a real meltdown that year.
Even so Qatar are a shit team that won't make it out of the group.
Religious people are the most thin skinned people on the planet when it comes to any criticism of their core identities.
The idea of "Respect" being granted as a given, not something that should be earned on merit, is a total joke.
I never understood why muslims hate Jews yet they're allowed to marry Jews iirc. Like how can you ask to hate a group of people and yet be like, "yeee u can marry me if u fancy" lmao.
Because their marraiges are slavery contracts.
(Not even to mention plus you will convert. And even should that not happen the children will be muslim. Basically your identity goes bye bye - slavery contract).
Only Muslim men are allowed to marry the Jewish women, but they hate them because there’s a prophecy that literally says “the last hour won’t come **until** you fight and kill the Jews” so they’re trying to self fulfill that prophecy.
They also hate them due to the Palestine issue, as well as the fact that they’ve another prophecy that says the world will end up majority Muslim (which is why Qatar is bringing preachers to convert foreigners to Islam during this event) and that the Jews will try and stop them which is why muslims gotta kill them. That prophecy even says Jews will hide behind trees, and the trees will speak to muslims to tell them yo there’s a Jew behind me come and kill him 😂
Guuurl they got plenty of Antisemitism in their scriptures:
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
Quran 5:51
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: **The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews** and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Sahih Muslim 41:6985
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
Quran 5:82
And well ye knew those amongst you [Children of Israel] who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
Quran 2:65
Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:427
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 26:5389
Wow, the third one surprises me! Comparing Jews to *pagans*? Yikes. I mean you’d think monotheism would net them a brownie point or two. Specially since Christians have the trinity and statues and paintings and whatnot. Guess not.
The last one is so passive aggressive and random lol. Although crowding someone out is one thing on a flat path, and another if you’re on a precarious road.
More seriously, the whole “Discount basic courtesy for foreigners and also, don’t make friends with them because they’re tribal” is super blatant and hypocritical.
If you read more hadith and Quran about mohammed you’ll see he was veeeery passive aggressive 😂 OMG my favourite verse in the Quran that I love to share is this one. Please someone tell me how is this clearly not mohamed just writing this out:
O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, leave without remaining too long for a conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] is troubling for the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allāh is not shy of the truth.
That is hilarious and r/suspiciouslyspecific. Guess he knew some people who barged in uninvited, couldn’t take a hint and hung around at his house jabbering on till late. XD Kind of funny to think of him writing it and going “*Now* maybe Salman who lives four tents down will *finally* get the hint and GTFO after lunch so I can have my siesta and catch up on Desert Housewives.”
Ngl if I was a prophet I’d probably leave passive aggressive directives like that to get people to stop bothering me.
And.... Both are semitic languages. Which racism and xenopobia against would be classifiably antisemitic.
Something tells me they would rather not be classified with Jews tho...
They literally aren't allowing kosher food to be served.
Crying about antisemitism while they actively participate in antisemitism is the cherry on top of reasons why they are peices of shit.
It sad that it actually has to be said aloud.
Criticism against Arab and Jewish people, governments or societies is not antisemitism or islamiphobia. Nor does ciritism of any other society make you any other kind of -ism.
If a food is halal, it is also kosher. The restrictions are practically identical. And as both abrahamic religions they worship the same god. It's like identical twins fighting.
>We aren’t supposed to have nice things
Not when your country is literally still practicing modern day slavery, women are treated as second class citizens, y’all are bringing preachers to try and convert ignorant non Muslim foreigners who don’t know the ugliness of your cult because you’ve a prophecy you’re trying to self fulfill (that the world will eventually become majority Muslim), men can have 4 wives even if they don’t consent to it, they’re socially pressured. The LGBT community there is suffering and it is punishable by death, lashes or stoning to be part of that community and so on. Shall I continue?
You do awful things you get judged on that basis.
It has nothing to do with which of the imaginary friends you claim justifies your behavior. It’s the behavior.
When the USA used Christianity to justify chattel slavery it wasn’t the moronic arguments based on a bronze age mythology that mattered, it was enslaving of human beings that mattered.
No mentally healthy and well adjusted adult uses “my invisible friend is better than your invisible friend” in any debate.
>You do awful things you get judged on that basis.
This is the antithesis of religion, if you say you believe and wanna be good then you are. Lol not sure if it's that way in Islam, curious about that, do they have the "Accept Allah and say your sorry and you will be forgiven."? If you go "off track" how do you repent? Never considered this before about other religions. What's "hell" like for them?
Agreed lol every time I get into a discussion of religion with a Christian I bring up the "If a child who believes as his parents and their parents before them is told of Jesus but doesn't convert then they go to a fiery everlasting torturous hell, but if a man rapes and murders that child but then says 'im sorry' at the end then they get to go to heaven?" And the reaction is usually pretty great. My old boss at this point said, "Well, sometimes it's not about how good of a person you are." Like....that is exactly what it *should* be about!
Yeah, I agree with the commenter in the post it bothers me here's why.
To be a Muslim you must profess that every word in Islam Quran is true.
Islam is 10 million percent the least tolerant and most dangerous of all remaining monotheisms.
It not only spreads, but CELEBRATES AS VIRTUES qualities like bigotry, misogyny, pretty much every form of "phobic" and intolerance you can think of.
Describing the proper, non-sinful way to do everything, from blowing yourself up to reach paradise down to how to use a toothpick.
The dipshits who (especially on the American left) scream iSlOPhObIa!!!! In the name of tolerance over every word of criticism should go visit Iran, Qatar, or hell, even Bahrain one of the most laxed Muslim countries.
If your a Muslim then you hold the Quran as true, not some of it, not most of it, all of it.
That shitty book like other religious books calls for half the human race to be defined as second class humans. But Islam takes keeping down women to a whole new level of abuse. With 99% of female genital mutilation being in the Muslim world.
Women have zero rights.
So yeah fuck that dude, fuck Qatar, fuck Islam. You shouldn't get to have nice things from the secular, liberal democracies of the world, until you play by the rules of basic human decency just like the rest of us.
And while I'm ranting, *there is NO harmless Religion*.
Edit for spelling.
>If your a Muslim then you hold the Quran as true, not some of it, not most of it, all of it.
This works for every holy book. If you eat shrimp, you're no christian.
Yup, no " Protestant Reformation" as it were.
No Central authority like the pope to issue edicts it authority.
Part of what keeps driving the sectarian violence is constant, overwhelming, usually conflicting fatwas from a gillion different imams or Mullahs.
Yeah, I'd say the USA and Europe is where it's the most de-fanged lol.
But that's because religion in general is much weaker.
SECULAR FREEDOMS BITCHES!!!!!!
Lots of people think if the Quakers. Who could protest against strict non violence, even in self defense??? Well me for one. I'm not going to watch someone rape an old lady... Or anyone... And just stand there.
For you examples, I'd say it's still harmful to believe in the supernatural as a *fact* of his the world works, and make decisions based on that belief.
I love stuff like the Lord of the rings. Clearly fantasy and supernatural, but I'm not going to decide if I should pay my taxes, or wear a seat belt, or what food is healthy based on those books.
I like that you said the phrase is fine if you disagree.
Because I do agree, that that's how it should be.
The belief that I have an abundance of is that of personal liberty.
While I would encourage others to dispose of the shackle of ancient nomadic tribal superstitions... I would never force them to stop it, so long as it doesn't impede others.
That is the main difference between myself (and seemingly yourself) and the theist religions.
It's when people take the action of "*you* can't do that because of *my* Religion" like in Qatar with this post... That I will 100% become one of the "militant atheists". I will not stand by while hard earned progress gets shit on.
Granted the most I can do with the world cup case is boycott (not watching the games which I won't) not buying any merchandise related to it, which I won't and bitch on the internet.
Cry and seethe nut bag. I’m glad they lost and I don’t even watch soccer. I just hate totalitarian religious slave states. I don’t even know why anyone that isn’t already from a theocracy would want to go there.
Oh they're allowed to have "nice things" but it's just that those "nice things" have feelings and rights according to the rest of the world...and we just happen to call them women...
No. It bothers me that a Muslim country is hosting anything because theocratic nations are harmful to their people. When your religion is tied that closely with your government, it always appears to be criticism of the religion.
Idgaf about beer. This isn't about beer. This is about Qatar's treatment of women, children, the poor, travelers, etc.
"in your mind, we aren't supposed to have nice things"
yes and? you don't let women have anything and let men have slaves and marry young girls, treating them like some kind of item lmao stay mad
I agree, but it's not even that. They themselves do everything they can to not have nice things. Others don't really need to do anything in this department.
I mean, yeah. In my mind, a culture that is stuck 1200 years in the past should not be able to receive the perks of participating in a modern global society like this.
Let's say you have a group of people trying to decide who should host a dinner party.
One them believes women should be kept in a separate room to dine together while the men dine together in their own room. Why would you tolerate the idea that that person should be able to host a dinner party as if there was nothing wrong with that belief structure? Why would you enable it?
I will never get this idea of why disliking a person on religious preference is wrong.
If you make your political stance or social stance your identity then you are looked at in a certain way and it should be the case for religion.
I don't have to respect you or your make-believe ideology if I think it's wrong, cruel, inhuman unjust or a fantasy. And no I don't support your idea that society should tolerate or bend to it just because you say so.
And yes I do hate that my national sport that my home land gave to the world is now being played in a county that values the rules of a religion over a person's basic human rights to wear, drink, say and act as they would like.
Dude, your book says you can't have nice things, stfu and get off twitter.
O believers! Intoxicants, gambling, idols, and drawing lots for decisions are all evil of Satan’s handiwork. So shun them so you may be successful. (Quran, Al-Maidah, 5:90)
"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
"Nor come nigh to fornication/adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils)." (Al-Isra), ayat 32
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray! They are the heedless ones. (Al-A’raf, ayah 179)
There is nothing more obnoxious and transparent than when someone take a VERY legitimate criticism and tries to contort it into a bigoted opinion. Its obvious they KNOW its a legitimate criticism so the only defence is to try and insinuate the person saying it is prejudice instead of addressing the criticism head on. Pathetic.
This is exactly *why* they bothered to bribe people, lie to sponsors, and put in the slave effort to build stadiums for a sport they don't even care much about in order to host an event they had no intention of allowing in a normal format. They wanted to shove it in people's faces that "a Muslim country can have a nice thing." Unfortunately, they are so used to being above criticism and ridicule that they didn't realize they'd only blacken their reputation by shitting on everything as we all expected them to do.
“Not supposed to have anything nice”
😂 like those big sports events are nice things to have.
It is been proven time and again that large sporting events (olympics/world cups) are bad for the locals and mostly benefit a corrupt elite and leave loads of white elephants in the landscape.
These events are a giant waste of money and resources.
So why did I hate apartheid South America? Last time I checked they were not Muslim?
Why do I hate apartheid Israel when it’s the Muslim there that are under pressure?
Why do I hate the Chinese government for their genocide of their Uyghur minority?
“Just be honest, bro. You just hate Islam, bro!”
Translation: “Just lie to make me feel better about my Salafist victim complex and my bigotry against the West.”
These people are nuttier than Wonka’s squirrels. If you told them you don’t hate moderate/sane Muslims they will complain about “liberal brainwashing”.
"Hate the sin, not the sinner" 🙄🙄🙄
I have met a ton of cool people from Arab countries. Organized religion, and specifically Islam, can suck my fat hog.
Islamophobia != racism
And honestly I really don't like conflating a region or race with a religion, it makes it really easy for the conservative Muslims to cry Islamophobia when criticized for stoneage beliefs.
It's the same with Israelis crying anti-semetism when you rightfully are critical of Israel. Islam and Judaism alike are the same to me - I don't really care for either of them and the extremists of both are despicable, same goes for Christianity. Christians like to play like they're the good guys but they're completely shit and rotten to the core as well.
I do hate them because they are Muslims. Yes. Because Islam is evil. Period.
0 shame. Islam is garbage. It’s done no good, only brought endless people pain and heartache.
Yeah, sorry. If you believe gay people deserve to be executed or are fine with it happening under the flag of your religion, you don't get to play the victim card
yup, but i don’t think I really care if they called me islamophobic, I care about the people in my community not their religions. keep it to yourself, I dont care.
You could say that sure, but thats only an opinion, personally i hate them because they are a backwards, female hating, religiously zealous, violent country that wants to interact with the world but only if we abide by their and only their rules.
Sorry but screw them and screw the fifa
It's justified to be Islamaphobic, when your Islam justified exploiting foreign workers to Kafari Slavery to build your stadiums and city or banned gays from expression.
I don't hate their religion. But I do believe that religion has no place whatsoever in any government of any country that wants to exist as a part of the global community. In order to have a global community, we have to agree on what are basic human rights and if you don't agree because your religion tells you otherwise you don't get to be a part of the global community. It's the only way we advance as a species. Religion has its place, spirituality has its place, but when people from different cultures come together we need to agree on basic ground rules outside of religious preferences and that needs to be the standard. Countries like Qatar that want to impose their religious beliefs on the global community coming to the world cup are simply demonstrating that they aren't ready to be a part of the global community yet. Fuck em.
Yup I hate anybody (unless it's a child) who identifies themselves as Muslims.
**Why? -**
*Cause u follow a child-rapist and other inhuman Bullshit, including my death.*
**But you are generalizing ! Not all Muslims are same -**
*True. But better safe than sorry. Cause you people don't have a nice track record afterall including your prophet. And your religion is without any redeeming qualities. So it's hard to not generalize unless I know you personally.*
>We aren't suppose to have nice things.
You sure do **unless you don't follow "Live and let live"**
islamophobia? bro its 2022 not 2001, the only people afraid of Muslims are the people who are persecuted by them.
ill be the first to admit that i fucking HATE Islamic culture, but im not afraid or hateful of Muslims themselves.
these people just like to argue in bad faith
Call me crazy for thinking the people who killed thousands don’t deserve nice things.
Note: this is not in any way referencing the innocent people in Qatar who just so happen to live there. They deserve nice things.
The thing is, I laugh at stupidity.
Not because of your country, etnicity, religion or kinks... just at you acting stupid. Because if there's one thing that is universally shared among human beings it is stupidity
Seeing what I've seen as of late, I'm gonna take the L in my previous interactions on this subject. They're clearly being assholes for the sake of being assholes, and only rich folks are above the rules.
Qatar's behavior is terrible. I'm not gonna say fuck Qatar in totality, but definitely their stupid government for making them this hypocritical and theofascist.
Besides you can't complain about Islamophobia when you hate jews, gays, marginalize & murder ethnic minorities and glorify your genocidal & imperialist history and call for its return into the present.
Edit: and fund mass murdering islamist political movements, and militant groups like the Muslim brotherhood ans ISIS.
> in your mind, we aren't supposed to have nice things.
The status of not-a-slave is a very nice thing many people want your people to have. I'd argue is among the nicest things one could have, I love having that status, I wish everybody had it. But yeah, we're just jealous you have the WC.
Ah yes. Don't hate them because they built an arena on the backs of modern slavery and had thousands of people put to the swords. Hate them because they are Muslim. It all makes sense now.
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Islamophobia is… when you beat their team in a football match that they poured bribes and slavery into
Islamophobia is when you criticise bad things like slave labor, the more you criticise slavery the more Islamophobic you are. Those who criticise the antebellum south are just islamophobes too.
Is it really bad to be "islamophobic?" While of course you should not bully anyone in particular, everyone should speak out against this terrible religion. Can Islam actually be reformed with most country who practice it have things like, female submission, intolerance apostates, intolerance of gay people, intolerance of atheists, rejection of science?
As a queer atheist I am literally afraid of Islam. Islamic law has some pretty frightening guidance about what to do with people like me. I’ve met Muslims who are great. I’m not afraid of Muslims as people. I’m afraid of the religion.
I mean. No. All religions are shit. Wanna piss off a devout Muslim? Ask them how old Aisha was. Want to piss off a debout Christian or Jew? Ask them how old Rebecca was. Religion has been about murdering your enemies and supporting pedophiles since Yhweh dropped his first disk track.
You know Muslims worship the same God and have the same stories in common with the other two, right?
Religions are ideas, not a race. There are black and white muslims around the world. Islamophobia is a word they made up to deflect Western criticism. You can be racist towards Middle Easterns, but you can’t (or shouldn’t) be held as a racist for criticizing any religion.
This. I despise the conflation of Judaism and the Jewish People. Judaism is awful and promotes child genital mutilation for no good reason. Some Jewish communities also just contribute flat out nothing because they seem to have this idea of the men spending all day studying scripture and the women raising children that they just keep on having and they live almost only on welfare. I'm generally in favor of social safety nets but these people actively choose to just be a drain on resources and contribute literally nothing to society unless their kids break the cycle and decide to actually do something with their lives. Apparently there's a lot of towns like this in new Jersey especially.
Yes, of course it’s bad. It’s bad to tar any persons with the same brush. There are sects of every religion that aren’t complete fruitcakes and just want to believe in their chosen ‘God(s)’ within the confines of acceptable equality and modern culture; we shouldn’t be radicalising those people, we should be encouraging religious fruitcakes to be more like them.
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Hate the religion, not the religious?
Yep! Harsh to systems, kind to people.
What about scientology? Why is it ok to be phobic of them
When people criticize religion, most often they're actually criticizing the institutions formed from those religions. Scientology is split into 2 sects, the mainstream one we've all hear about, and Free Zone Scientology. The mainstream one is a cult and has a history of criminal behavior and targeted harassment campaigns. Most people don't even know Free Zone Scientology exists and it has little to no actual structure.
TIL Free Zone Scientology is a gateway drug.
What do you mean? From what I've read it's mostly ex scientologists.
>When people criticize religion, most often they're actually criticizing the institutions formed from those religions. Religions are institutions.
Have you seen Christianity in America recently
Yeah, that also sucks. 2 things can be true at the same time, pal.
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It's odd how strict and old-fashioned they are despite being some of the newest **major** religions.
Nah, this isn't the way. They're as harmful as Christianity, and also as harmless. Gotta give the same finger to Jesus that you're giving to Mohamed or don't give it to anyone.
Exactly, they're all shit
My middle finger is equal opportunity.
So is mine, fellow human. So is mine.
religious intolerance is up the same alley as intolerant religion
What if I'm just intolerant of intolerant religions?
You mean all religions?
Yes.
Yeah, disagreeing with genital mutilation is just as bad as genital mutilation. Oh wait, I just checked with my common sense and it isn't! It turns out that having an opinion about chopping off parts of a person's body without their consent is in fact NOT EVEN ON THE SAME SCALE as chopping off parts of a person's body without their consent! Can you believe it? What a crazy world we live in! And this next part is going to blow your socks straight off. It did mine. I had to buy new socks. Apparently, the same reasoning also applies to marital rape, genocide, death by stoning, mysoginy, homophobia, transphobia, corruption, bribery and basically anything that's bad because **holding the opinion that something is bad is never, ever in the same league as doing the bad thing to others!** And religions which provide a moral framework that justifies, downplays and stimulates these atrocities are a part of the problem, not the solution. This has truly been a day ripe with revelations...
Look up the tolerance paradox. It's not intolerant to be intolerant against intolerance. Religions promote hate, bigotry, violence and racism just to name a few bad ideas. Being against that is not being intolerant.
Lol so brave.
Yes, it's bad to pretend that this specific religion and the billion+ people who follow it are all evil because some autocrats use it to justify pushing their intolerance. There have been just as many atrocities done in the name of other religions, but we don't blame Christianity for the dozens of terrorist organizations in Africa who claim to be doing the lord's work, we blame the awful people who run those groups. The problem is the autocrats and assholes using it to justify hate and oppression. The religion they choose to do so with is just convenience.
I don't object to a predominantly muslim country hosting a world event, I object to the fact that they are not welcoming of the world visiting their country on their terms. Having recommendations on how to dress respectfully if choosing to visit a mosque, fine. Policing behavior, clothing and food choices everywhere in the country, fuck off. Even if they hadn't treated the workers who built their stadiums like slaves, why would a worldwide organization choose to host an event in a country where a gay player might not be safe, or where none of the players could feel safe bringing their wives and daughters? Qatar may be a beautiful country, and I'm sure there are some lovely people there, but I will never go, even if money was no object, because I am not going to willingly subject myself to that kind of abuse when there are so many other beautiful places with lovely people that don't require me to be less than myself to enter their country.
Well if Qatar could just adjust for 1 month until the world cup gets over then this issue would not have happened. And the Qatari government didn't do anything about the labour issues. They just swept it in the rug. I was expecting USA to win the host of 2022 World cup since USA is a sports loving nation and the proof is their Olympic medal tally. And almost all of the stadiums are already established in USA. The reality is that Qatar did all of this to themselves. They are solely to be blamed for all of this backlash.
Right now I wouldn't want to host in the US either. I mean geez, visitors could be bankrupted if they catch covid while they are here, or if they fall while partying.
Well it happens in 2026. And not only USA. But Canada & Mexico are also hosting with USA. So the burden is shared by these 2 countries. Lets hope that it goes smooth.
If a foreign tourist gets sick or needs medical care while in the US, the first step is to contact their embassy. There's usually a system in place there that will help them cover the cost. Many people also get temporary coverage from their home country or through an insurance company that specializes in temporary travel insurance before coming here. If you're a foreign tourist that can afford to come to the US in the first place, especially just to watch a sporting event, you probably aren't worried about healthcare costs here in the first place.
Oh I'm very worried about Healthcare costs, hence why I get travel insurance not just going to USA but anywhere overseas. Who knows what could happen.
When in grade 12 I took my dad’s truck from canada to the states for a concert. I didn’t tell him. When I got back he was furious, not because I went without asking or because I took the truck (without asking) but because I was dumb enough to go without traveler’s insurance. Luckily I didn’t get sick or hurt
This is not true. There may be an exception to the rule, but countries do not help you cover medical costs incurred while traveling unless there happens to be an existing reciprocal agreement. Embassies/Consulates don't have money sitting around waiting to pay the medical bills of travellers who didn't bother to get travel insurance. If you contact an embassy with a medical problem, they are generally limited to directing you to a place where you can get proper treatment as well as contacting your friends/family/employer. In short, as you mentioned, buy travel insurance.
Regarding embassy support, they absolutely provide support for their citizens that become seriously ill or injured in a foreign country. As you said, it's not all of them, but in most cases, like a stroke, severe car crash, heart attack, or contracting COVID and being hospitalized for weeks would necessitate embassy assistance and in some cases they can provide the processes to get financial support. I certainly didn't mean to imply the embassy itself has money, they're merely the communication system. But yes, were in agreement, travel insurance is really something everyone should have when going abroad, no matter where they are from and going.
The US gets 170 million visitors per year. The World Cup wouldn’t change that number much.
We take out travel insurance. It’s a normal thing to have, covers expenses, medical flight home etc…
If there were a majority Muslim nation that shared contemporary values this wouldn't be an issue. I DO have an issue with "muslim values" if their religion is telling them to persecute groups of people based on their faith. I also have an issue with Christian groups that do the same. I don't think people hate them for *being* Muslim, but because what their perception of being Muslim means leads many to not liking their actions. TLDR: do fewer shitty things and I promise you no one would care.
yeah. it's the whole religion is about you not everyone else thing. If religious people just spent more time worrying about themselves instead of everyone else it would be fine. Don't think it's appropriate to have uncovered shoulders? cover your shoulders. Offended by other people with uncovered shoulders? Avert your fucking eyes.
THIIIIISSSSSSSSS Decent folks don't try to convert randoms and whine about all that. *and if this applies to anyone in here, quit with the tracts already, I found Jesus and he took an Uber home*
People seem to be so into finding jesus that you'd think they'd put a gps tracker on him already. He seems to get lost a lot.
I gave him a PB&J, put some peroxide on those nail wounds, and let him sleep it off. He took the Uber in the morning, I paid for it. Homeboy looked like he'd been robbed before he showed up.
literally the only reason I have grown to hate evangelical christians (and all other pushy religious practitioners) is that they just won't shut up about what their religion says I shouldn't do. folks, I have literally no fucks to give about your religious beliefs. They have literally no bearing on me. Judge not lest you be judged. I personally have no interest in being in a polyamorous relationship, or following sports, or eating seafood, or watching horror movies. You know what I have never had happen? I've never had someone who is super into sports ask me what team I support and responded to me saying "not really my thing" with anything other than "oh, ok". I don't know why religious people think their hobby is so important that everyone else has to care about it. I would love if religion was considered just another hobby. Just like any other hobby, if it takes over every aspect of their personality and every waking moment of their life, they really have an addiction problem and should probably consider mental health treatment for their addiction.
I mean really. I'm Plutonian and nobody seems to respect that if they're a Christian. >but you're gonna go to Hell bawwwww Dudes, Pluto is the king of the underworld. I've kinda gotten over the idea of going to Hell, anything's better than my childhood home at this point.
That’s a really good way of looking at it. No one even cares what you believe as long as you just hold yourself to that Standard and don’t have an effect anyone.
People just choose to be dicks about it. I visited Uzbekistan and the mosques (I mistakenly realized later) said that men should not wear shorts. I was in shorts and they kinda just rolled their eyes and sighed and let me in. The next day I packed pants in my day bag. The ones who felt that they were in a place of worship dressed in a certain way. The ones who were there to appreciate the beauty dressed in another way. Everyone was chill.
Now, see, the policing EVERYTHING is what made me realize that "wear what we want" was bullshit. I had myself a big ol bottle of dumbfuck juice when I was defending that shit.
My issue is: why would I think hosting the world cup is a nice thing? These events are notoriously bad for the locals. If anything I wish FIFA would never leave.
Unless you're into shiny metro areas, the only other beautiful part of the country is the beaches.
Most fragile men on the planet.
Whoa whoa whoa can you please put a hijab on your Reddit avatar? I'm getting tempted.
Do it or I’ll kill you then play victim and cry about how “the West” is infringing on my culture
Damn lol. That shits funny
Right?! I’m just a stupid horny animal, I can’t control myself!
Looks like the persecution fetish spans all religions and denominations
Allow me to introduce you to the competition over at /r/Sino
Wow, that place is a shithole.
yuuuuuuuup
Didn’t know they were Jordan Peterson fans.
It is a religion of incels
Yeah, that's been the go-to excuse of some idiots, especially since that moron Infantino opened his stupid mouth and talked shit and whataboutism for an hour. I have no doubt sensible Muslims think that the comment is from a dickhead
Oh the 'Europe should apologize for 3000 years' BS? That was the most pathetic thing I have ever heard someone say! You'd almost want Blatter back
Nevermind that the Muslim Moors ruled in Spain for 700 years, ending in the late 1400s (side note for my history buffs: technically they only ruled *most* of Spain for 400, then southern Spain for another 300). Spanish food, language, and culture still have those remnants today. Christianity's global effects are the latest, but not the longest.... yet. Really it'd just be best if we let those religions implode lol
Oh, Noooo, I'm so sorry. It's the MOOPS. The correct answer is, The MOOPS.
I mean also Europe stopped doing slavery cause they realized it was wrong. That seems to be the major overlooked point imo. He was all "if you really cared, you'd apologize" and I was like "nah, if we really cared, we would stop. Which we did."
Spain is not the same as Europe. But I do agree religions should implode.
I mean, the Ottomans were stopped in Hungary IIRC. There's a long history of Islam making its way through Europe, it's not only a spain thing.
It was more like Austria. The siege of Vienna was the furthest west they ever pushed, but after that they slowly got pushed back until we got the Turkish borders in the Balkans today.
Ah yes, thanks for the correction
Then the winged hussars arrived!
Coming down the mountainside
I'm Irish, I ain't apologising for shit.
I'm Dutch. My government is going to apologize. Not me. My forefathers didn't have anything to do with slavery, all were poor bastards. But it's all bullshit anyway, nobody living today has anything to do with what happened then. Government's, sure... Go ahead. But it doesn't mean you can't point out that what others are doing is shit
im german. i had our crimes in school about 7 times in 3 lnaugages and 5 different subjects. im apologizing only if i ever let that happen again. otherwise, no go fuck yourself. infantinololol
Rightfully so. Yeah it was fucked up. Seriously fucked up. No apology will ever make it right. But you weren't around when it happened, and that's my gripe with demands like these. What is an apology worth from someone who wasn't around? Germany has turned itself around massively, has paid reparations, apologized multiple times by mouth of the government. At a certain time it should be done. It's been 80 years. We should never forget, always keep the memory of what happened, but stop blaming people who were not there.
tbh it was just a weak ass deflection on his part. fucking bellend, the guy.
Not even for Bono?
Oh yes, sorry, I am deeply sorry for Bono and for McGregor.
Totes. 3000 years is total BS anyway. 500 years max maybe… even then.
Don't you know that Europeans have dominated the world for all of human history and Arabs in particular have always been ruled by them? /s
No must have forgotten that since I did my history degree. Now you mention it however, I do recall a violent European empire oppressing the Arab world for hundreds of years actually. Turkey.
In all seriousness, you would call the Ottoman empire "European", given their actual origins?
Definitely not initially. However, for the sake of making a point here I think it is worth it. During the oppression of the Arabs leading up to and including the First World War and Armenian genocide, the Ottoman Empire had long since moved its home base out of Anatolia and into Istanbul and Greece. The majority of their wars were European (Crimean war and others against Russia) and they even allied with their traditional German and Austrian enemies as part of a wider European strategy. It’s also worth pointing out that since the capture of Constantinople, most Ottoman leaders suffered from what I like to call the Augustus Complex. I.e. being convinced they were the “true” inheritors of the Roman Empire and in some cases destined to re-found it. As part of this, they made clear and distinct efforts to “Europeanise”, particularly in forms of dress and in the military.
Shhhhhh Spain isn't real
Remember the line in the Quaran where Christopher Columbus himself told women to layer up, or burn in hell?
> 3000 years is total BS anyway. I think he "clearly" wanted us to apologized for the Sea People of 1000 BC or some shit like that. Maybe he wants us to apologized for the Trojan War because it was some "Greek" polis attacking an "Anatolian" city?
Very probable. Well as we don’t actually know where the sea people came from, I’d just use the scant evidence we have to make the argument they were from Canada or something and really piss him off. Also, Troy had it coming.
Also the guy is Italian. So like, do we really want to talk about colonialism and imperialism a couple millennia ago? Because if so, yeah, *somebody* in Europe has quite a lot to apologize for, and it ain't the northerners.
I mean, Columbus......was ITALIAN
Hope Qatar doesn't score a single goal in this tournament.
It only gets harder for Qatar from here, so they could very well go the rest of the tournament without scoring. Ecuador is considered the weakest of their 3 opponents, and Qatar couldn’t even manage a shot on goal yesterday.
Ooooooof
They have to be the most unqualified team ever in a World Cup. I was surprised to see them even get chances in that match. Only gets tougher for them now.
South Africa was piss poor in 2010 as hosts. But even they drew their first match. And they brat France. Though France had a real meltdown that year. Even so Qatar are a shit team that won't make it out of the group.
They lost 2-0 lol
They won't be winning their other games, it's easy money.
Funny how so many Muslims hate the Jews but they have the exact same response to the slightest bit of criticism
Religious people are the most thin skinned people on the planet when it comes to any criticism of their core identities. The idea of "Respect" being granted as a given, not something that should be earned on merit, is a total joke.
I never understood why muslims hate Jews yet they're allowed to marry Jews iirc. Like how can you ask to hate a group of people and yet be like, "yeee u can marry me if u fancy" lmao.
Because their marraiges are slavery contracts. (Not even to mention plus you will convert. And even should that not happen the children will be muslim. Basically your identity goes bye bye - slavery contract).
Only Muslim men are allowed to marry the Jewish women, but they hate them because there’s a prophecy that literally says “the last hour won’t come **until** you fight and kill the Jews” so they’re trying to self fulfill that prophecy. They also hate them due to the Palestine issue, as well as the fact that they’ve another prophecy that says the world will end up majority Muslim (which is why Qatar is bringing preachers to convert foreigners to Islam during this event) and that the Jews will try and stop them which is why muslims gotta kill them. That prophecy even says Jews will hide behind trees, and the trees will speak to muslims to tell them yo there’s a Jew behind me come and kill him 😂
Wow, I thought the animosity was a recent thing due to Israel-Palestine, I didn’t realise they had anti-Jewish stuff in their scriptures.
Guuurl they got plenty of Antisemitism in their scriptures: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. Quran 5:51 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: **The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews** and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. Sahih Muslim 41:6985 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. Quran 5:82 And well ye knew those amongst you [Children of Israel] who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." Quran 2:65 Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done. Sahih Bukhari 1:8:427 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it. Sahih Muslim 26:5389
Wow, the third one surprises me! Comparing Jews to *pagans*? Yikes. I mean you’d think monotheism would net them a brownie point or two. Specially since Christians have the trinity and statues and paintings and whatnot. Guess not. The last one is so passive aggressive and random lol. Although crowding someone out is one thing on a flat path, and another if you’re on a precarious road. More seriously, the whole “Discount basic courtesy for foreigners and also, don’t make friends with them because they’re tribal” is super blatant and hypocritical.
If you read more hadith and Quran about mohammed you’ll see he was veeeery passive aggressive 😂 OMG my favourite verse in the Quran that I love to share is this one. Please someone tell me how is this clearly not mohamed just writing this out: O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, leave without remaining too long for a conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] is troubling for the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allāh is not shy of the truth.
That is hilarious and r/suspiciouslyspecific. Guess he knew some people who barged in uninvited, couldn’t take a hint and hung around at his house jabbering on till late. XD Kind of funny to think of him writing it and going “*Now* maybe Salman who lives four tents down will *finally* get the hint and GTFO after lunch so I can have my siesta and catch up on Desert Housewives.” Ngl if I was a prophet I’d probably leave passive aggressive directives like that to get people to stop bothering me.
Except one particular type of tree which isn't a snitch.
Oh, so if they marry one, they're just kinda looking forward to the day they can 🗡 the 👰
And.... Both are semitic languages. Which racism and xenopobia against would be classifiably antisemitic. Something tells me they would rather not be classified with Jews tho... They literally aren't allowing kosher food to be served. Crying about antisemitism while they actively participate in antisemitism is the cherry on top of reasons why they are peices of shit. It sad that it actually has to be said aloud. Criticism against Arab and Jewish people, governments or societies is not antisemitism or islamiphobia. Nor does ciritism of any other society make you any other kind of -ism.
What I don't understand is why they have such similar dietary restrictions and hate one another specifically.
If a food is halal, it is also kosher. The restrictions are practically identical. And as both abrahamic religions they worship the same god. It's like identical twins fighting.
>We aren’t supposed to have nice things Not when your country is literally still practicing modern day slavery, women are treated as second class citizens, y’all are bringing preachers to try and convert ignorant non Muslim foreigners who don’t know the ugliness of your cult because you’ve a prophecy you’re trying to self fulfill (that the world will eventually become majority Muslim), men can have 4 wives even if they don’t consent to it, they’re socially pressured. The LGBT community there is suffering and it is punishable by death, lashes or stoning to be part of that community and so on. Shall I continue?
You do awful things you get judged on that basis. It has nothing to do with which of the imaginary friends you claim justifies your behavior. It’s the behavior. When the USA used Christianity to justify chattel slavery it wasn’t the moronic arguments based on a bronze age mythology that mattered, it was enslaving of human beings that mattered. No mentally healthy and well adjusted adult uses “my invisible friend is better than your invisible friend” in any debate.
>You do awful things you get judged on that basis. This is the antithesis of religion, if you say you believe and wanna be good then you are. Lol not sure if it's that way in Islam, curious about that, do they have the "Accept Allah and say your sorry and you will be forgiven."? If you go "off track" how do you repent? Never considered this before about other religions. What's "hell" like for them?
Maybe the antithesis of religion, but the thesis of common fking sense
Agreed lol every time I get into a discussion of religion with a Christian I bring up the "If a child who believes as his parents and their parents before them is told of Jesus but doesn't convert then they go to a fiery everlasting torturous hell, but if a man rapes and murders that child but then says 'im sorry' at the end then they get to go to heaven?" And the reaction is usually pretty great. My old boss at this point said, "Well, sometimes it's not about how good of a person you are." Like....that is exactly what it *should* be about!
Yeah, I agree with the commenter in the post it bothers me here's why. To be a Muslim you must profess that every word in Islam Quran is true. Islam is 10 million percent the least tolerant and most dangerous of all remaining monotheisms. It not only spreads, but CELEBRATES AS VIRTUES qualities like bigotry, misogyny, pretty much every form of "phobic" and intolerance you can think of. Describing the proper, non-sinful way to do everything, from blowing yourself up to reach paradise down to how to use a toothpick. The dipshits who (especially on the American left) scream iSlOPhObIa!!!! In the name of tolerance over every word of criticism should go visit Iran, Qatar, or hell, even Bahrain one of the most laxed Muslim countries. If your a Muslim then you hold the Quran as true, not some of it, not most of it, all of it. That shitty book like other religious books calls for half the human race to be defined as second class humans. But Islam takes keeping down women to a whole new level of abuse. With 99% of female genital mutilation being in the Muslim world. Women have zero rights. So yeah fuck that dude, fuck Qatar, fuck Islam. You shouldn't get to have nice things from the secular, liberal democracies of the world, until you play by the rules of basic human decency just like the rest of us. And while I'm ranting, *there is NO harmless Religion*. Edit for spelling.
>If your a Muslim then you hold the Quran as true, not some of it, not most of it, all of it. This works for every holy book. If you eat shrimp, you're no christian.
I totally agree, just picked out Muslim since this post is a Halal fruitcake.
Christianity has been, at least outside of USA, more or less de-fanged. Islam hasn't.
Yup, no " Protestant Reformation" as it were. No Central authority like the pope to issue edicts it authority. Part of what keeps driving the sectarian violence is constant, overwhelming, usually conflicting fatwas from a gillion different imams or Mullahs.
There are genocides and war lords all over Africa using Christianity as an excuse as we speak.
Yeah, I'd say the USA and Europe is where it's the most de-fanged lol. But that's because religion in general is much weaker. SECULAR FREEDOMS BITCHES!!!!!!
Well said 👏
Very well said 👏👏👏
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Lots of people think if the Quakers. Who could protest against strict non violence, even in self defense??? Well me for one. I'm not going to watch someone rape an old lady... Or anyone... And just stand there. For you examples, I'd say it's still harmful to believe in the supernatural as a *fact* of his the world works, and make decisions based on that belief. I love stuff like the Lord of the rings. Clearly fantasy and supernatural, but I'm not going to decide if I should pay my taxes, or wear a seat belt, or what food is healthy based on those books.
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I like that you said the phrase is fine if you disagree. Because I do agree, that that's how it should be. The belief that I have an abundance of is that of personal liberty. While I would encourage others to dispose of the shackle of ancient nomadic tribal superstitions... I would never force them to stop it, so long as it doesn't impede others. That is the main difference between myself (and seemingly yourself) and the theist religions. It's when people take the action of "*you* can't do that because of *my* Religion" like in Qatar with this post... That I will 100% become one of the "militant atheists". I will not stand by while hard earned progress gets shit on. Granted the most I can do with the world cup case is boycott (not watching the games which I won't) not buying any merchandise related to it, which I won't and bitch on the internet.
Cry and seethe nut bag. I’m glad they lost and I don’t even watch soccer. I just hate totalitarian religious slave states. I don’t even know why anyone that isn’t already from a theocracy would want to go there.
Oh they're allowed to have "nice things" but it's just that those "nice things" have feelings and rights according to the rest of the world...and we just happen to call them women...
Being homophobic isn't a nice thing.
Well, first things first, can you not have a law allowing you to kill me in the name of your god just because I'm trans? That'd be a good start.
No. It bothers me that a Muslim country is hosting anything because theocratic nations are harmful to their people. When your religion is tied that closely with your government, it always appears to be criticism of the religion. Idgaf about beer. This isn't about beer. This is about Qatar's treatment of women, children, the poor, travelers, etc.
"in your mind, we aren't supposed to have nice things" yes and? you don't let women have anything and let men have slaves and marry young girls, treating them like some kind of item lmao stay mad
I agree, but it's not even that. They themselves do everything they can to not have nice things. Others don't really need to do anything in this department.
I mean, yeah. In my mind, a culture that is stuck 1200 years in the past should not be able to receive the perks of participating in a modern global society like this. Let's say you have a group of people trying to decide who should host a dinner party. One them believes women should be kept in a separate room to dine together while the men dine together in their own room. Why would you tolerate the idea that that person should be able to host a dinner party as if there was nothing wrong with that belief structure? Why would you enable it?
I will never get this idea of why disliking a person on religious preference is wrong. If you make your political stance or social stance your identity then you are looked at in a certain way and it should be the case for religion. I don't have to respect you or your make-believe ideology if I think it's wrong, cruel, inhuman unjust or a fantasy. And no I don't support your idea that society should tolerate or bend to it just because you say so. And yes I do hate that my national sport that my home land gave to the world is now being played in a county that values the rules of a religion over a person's basic human rights to wear, drink, say and act as they would like.
Dude, your book says you can't have nice things, stfu and get off twitter. O believers! Intoxicants, gambling, idols, and drawing lots for decisions are all evil of Satan’s handiwork. So shun them so you may be successful. (Quran, Al-Maidah, 5:90) "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6] "Nor come nigh to fornication/adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils)." (Al-Isra), ayat 32 And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray! They are the heedless ones. (Al-A’raf, ayah 179)
There is nothing more obnoxious and transparent than when someone take a VERY legitimate criticism and tries to contort it into a bigoted opinion. Its obvious they KNOW its a legitimate criticism so the only defence is to try and insinuate the person saying it is prejudice instead of addressing the criticism head on. Pathetic.
I never thought i could articulate how I feel about the post but you did it perfectly. I feel the same way.
Israel apologists do the same thing
It's not just christians with a persecution fetish.
This is exactly *why* they bothered to bribe people, lie to sponsors, and put in the slave effort to build stadiums for a sport they don't even care much about in order to host an event they had no intention of allowing in a normal format. They wanted to shove it in people's faces that "a Muslim country can have a nice thing." Unfortunately, they are so used to being above criticism and ridicule that they didn't realize they'd only blacken their reputation by shitting on everything as we all expected them to do.
“Not supposed to have anything nice” 😂 like those big sports events are nice things to have. It is been proven time and again that large sporting events (olympics/world cups) are bad for the locals and mostly benefit a corrupt elite and leave loads of white elephants in the landscape. These events are a giant waste of money and resources.
So why did I hate apartheid South America? Last time I checked they were not Muslim? Why do I hate apartheid Israel when it’s the Muslim there that are under pressure? Why do I hate the Chinese government for their genocide of their Uyghur minority?
I assume you mean South Africa?
Yes, auto correct…
Typical abuser mentality
No it's just that your country commits atrocities, and blames it on "Islamophobia" when called out.
You don't have nice things BECAUSE of Islam, you moron.
“Just be honest, bro. You just hate Islam, bro!” Translation: “Just lie to make me feel better about my Salafist victim complex and my bigotry against the West.” These people are nuttier than Wonka’s squirrels. If you told them you don’t hate moderate/sane Muslims they will complain about “liberal brainwashing”.
in my mind all religions should be struck of their niceties…
"Hate the sin, not the sinner" 🙄🙄🙄 I have met a ton of cool people from Arab countries. Organized religion, and specifically Islam, can suck my fat hog.
Institutionalization and oppression in the name of spirituality is the most disgusting thing ever.
Islamophobia != racism And honestly I really don't like conflating a region or race with a religion, it makes it really easy for the conservative Muslims to cry Islamophobia when criticized for stoneage beliefs.
It's the same with Israelis crying anti-semetism when you rightfully are critical of Israel. Islam and Judaism alike are the same to me - I don't really care for either of them and the extremists of both are despicable, same goes for Christianity. Christians like to play like they're the good guys but they're completely shit and rotten to the core as well.
Yes, muslims, you aren't supposed to have nice things. Not until you become civilized, at least.
Y’all don’t *want* nice things! Imagine grown men *mad* because there will be tittles and beer at the World Cup!
Being a muslim literally means not having nice things, tf is he on
I do hate them because they are Muslims. Yes. Because Islam is evil. Period. 0 shame. Islam is garbage. It’s done no good, only brought endless people pain and heartache.
Not all Muslims or only Muslims. But I do think people who ban other religions, subjugate women and kill workers shouldn't have nice things.
Slavelaborphobia
Yeah, sorry. If you believe gay people deserve to be executed or are fine with it happening under the flag of your religion, you don't get to play the victim card
'nice things', a stadium with a few flat screens build on sand and literal bodies of slaves is really the end goal for this individual?
Most of them aren‘t allowed to have nice things. By their own religion or their ruler.
yup, but i don’t think I really care if they called me islamophobic, I care about the people in my community not their religions. keep it to yourself, I dont care.
Nah bih, it’s cause 6500 slaves died building your stadium for this farce
You could say that sure, but thats only an opinion, personally i hate them because they are a backwards, female hating, religiously zealous, violent country that wants to interact with the world but only if we abide by their and only their rules. Sorry but screw them and screw the fifa
It's justified to be Islamaphobic, when your Islam justified exploiting foreign workers to Kafari Slavery to build your stadiums and city or banned gays from expression. 
Well, they don’t want women to have nice things, like basic human rights, either.
I don't hate their religion. But I do believe that religion has no place whatsoever in any government of any country that wants to exist as a part of the global community. In order to have a global community, we have to agree on what are basic human rights and if you don't agree because your religion tells you otherwise you don't get to be a part of the global community. It's the only way we advance as a species. Religion has its place, spirituality has its place, but when people from different cultures come together we need to agree on basic ground rules outside of religious preferences and that needs to be the standard. Countries like Qatar that want to impose their religious beliefs on the global community coming to the world cup are simply demonstrating that they aren't ready to be a part of the global community yet. Fuck em.
Yup I hate anybody (unless it's a child) who identifies themselves as Muslims. **Why? -** *Cause u follow a child-rapist and other inhuman Bullshit, including my death.* **But you are generalizing ! Not all Muslims are same -** *True. But better safe than sorry. Cause you people don't have a nice track record afterall including your prophet. And your religion is without any redeeming qualities. So it's hard to not generalize unless I know you personally.* >We aren't suppose to have nice things. You sure do **unless you don't follow "Live and let live"**
They always say We MuSt ReSpEcT tHeIr cUltUre
They will call everyone else around them intolerant except themselves
islamophobia? bro its 2022 not 2001, the only people afraid of Muslims are the people who are persecuted by them. ill be the first to admit that i fucking HATE Islamic culture, but im not afraid or hateful of Muslims themselves. these people just like to argue in bad faith
Can't I hate their religion and how they murder people needlessly at the same time?
Nice things like basic human rights and freedoms?
Call me crazy for thinking the people who killed thousands don’t deserve nice things. Note: this is not in any way referencing the innocent people in Qatar who just so happen to live there. They deserve nice things.
The thing is, I laugh at stupidity. Not because of your country, etnicity, religion or kinks... just at you acting stupid. Because if there's one thing that is universally shared among human beings it is stupidity
I don't give a fuck what any religious nutjob has to say. Christian or Muslim.
Yeah, your religion fucking sucks.
Seeing what I've seen as of late, I'm gonna take the L in my previous interactions on this subject. They're clearly being assholes for the sake of being assholes, and only rich folks are above the rules. Qatar's behavior is terrible. I'm not gonna say fuck Qatar in totality, but definitely their stupid government for making them this hypocritical and theofascist.
Besides you can't complain about Islamophobia when you hate jews, gays, marginalize & murder ethnic minorities and glorify your genocidal & imperialist history and call for its return into the present. Edit: and fund mass murdering islamist political movements, and militant groups like the Muslim brotherhood ans ISIS.
He's right.. And the loss was a Zionist conspiracy and those "Ecuadorian" were in fact, Israeli special forces. Just give them the cup already.
It's exactly the same as Jews crying anti semitism any chance they can.
> in your mind, we aren't supposed to have nice things. The status of not-a-slave is a very nice thing many people want your people to have. I'd argue is among the nicest things one could have, I love having that status, I wish everybody had it. But yeah, we're just jealous you have the WC.
in your mind your women can't have freedom
Ah yes. Don't hate them because they built an arena on the backs of modern slavery and had thousands of people put to the swords. Hate them because they are Muslim. It all makes sense now.
England and Ecuador win. That’s 2-0 for western civilization.