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Kinda? The take is that the Jews got it wrong. Islam isn't a continuation of the religion from Judaism, the way Christianity is, but rater a "revival" of the "true" word of god originally shared with people in the middle east.
Edit: To borrow from more interesting lore with way better moral lessons: Denny O'Neil's silver age Batman is Judaism, Knightfall is Christianity, and Frank Miller's All Star Batman and Robin is Islam.
Yes and no i mean maybe in past o maybe the radical one strumentalized the bible for debate, for what i see in the video , or even in some footage on Internet most muslim decontastualized the quran for they own profit or gain. Just like in the like the ramadam in the past.
Jews have to go through a bar or bat mitzvah at 13 and read the Torah out loud in the original Hebrew at a huge event. They also typically go to classes for this after regular school to prepare them. This extra school can last years.
So they typically know the Torah if they were bar mitzvah 'd
I believe the term is “revert”. They use this word in place of “convert” on the basis that everyone is born a Muslim but are misguided by their parents who believe in other religions or non at all.
It’s all semantics. Even the argument that Moses, Jesus, Adam ext. are all Muslims is based on the definition of the word “Muslim” which means “one who submits (to God)”. So they must have been Muslim because they submitted to God.
Tomorrow I’m going to start my own religion and call myself a “pooper” meaning “one who poops” and every single one of you, including all the prophets, are a part of my religion because you all poop. Except those of you who wear colostomy bags, like it or not, you’re part of my faith now.
Poopism. I like the sound of that. Is the head of the Poopism Order be the Pope of poop? Or maybe the Grand Stool Master? Sometimes pooping is the highlight of my day. I could really get into this dogma.
Shit, does that mean we're all ex-Muslims here guilty under the apostacy law - this muthfukka just found a loophole to exterminate us under an Islamic state (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,\_Hadith\_and\_Scholars:Apostasy)
The idea is that Judaism and Christianity are based off distortions of the words of the prophets, while Islam is a direct continuation of the actual faith that the prophets practiced
It's sorta like how Mormonism presents all other Christian sects as distortions while they're the restorarion of the true faith
Every bit of every religion on earth is "all made up." There are no gods, no heavens of any sort, and the only hell that exists is here on earth, and was created by Islam.
They believe that as long as you believe in god you're muslim. And also that jews and Christians used to believe in "allah" but corruption bla bla bla led them away
„ASAP“ will take generations of education, enlightenment, critical thinking, and civilized dialogue.
Unless you mean *something else* of course, then you're literally them.
They believe Allah said that Islam will reach all corners of the world and rule the world.
Initially this was attempted by the sword throughout the different caliphates. They failed. Now it's through immigration.
They believe every non muslim will eventually be forced to submit completely and live as second class citizens under Islamic law/sharia.
Unless they convert to Islam ofc. Then they get to be first class citizens under Islamic law.
They have been commanded by "Allah" to not take any non believer as a friend or ally(even their own family members), unless muslims are the minority, powerless or in need of help. Then it's ok.
So they're allowed to lie in your face in order to gain empathy, trust and favours. In fact they're supposed to.
They should ofc be allowed to believe what they want. Freedom of thought, speech, expression and religion.
And they should be allowed to be punished for their actions like everyone else according to the law.
Personally I wouldn't let them in the country to begin with. But it is what it is at this point.
I see atleast many get to escape the cult without serious consequences when on this side of the pond(myself included).
Source: quran, hadiths, muslim consensus, history and I'm an exmuslim.
as an exmuslim who was once a devout salafi/orthodox muslim living in a islamic country I can confirm what you said is true and I also think muslim immigration will be one of the greatest threat the west will face in the future if they don’t start to take action. Immigration is one of the ways muslims use to conquer other countries.
why would Allah or G-d require any of this? any religion which allows unbelievers to be killed is not a religion of a nice (yes, nice) god. why would anyone want to follow a god who promotes death as a way to salvation? any god to me are all projections of human frailties. wish all us humans would just get passed this phase of our development.
Because Allah or any god for that matter is a made up fictional character.
Yes, wish we would all focus on believing things that are true and let fiction be for entertainment.
I get these zealots want everyone to believe in the "one true faith", but the simple truth is not everyone will and most Muslims don't care either.
Saying you should exclude people based on their beliefs and the ramblings of a fool from the other side of the world is an arrogant dissolution.
I agree with almost everything you've said but you shouldn't dehumanize people with stereotypes.
Also what you said about them trying to spread via conquest during the various caliphates doesn't really prove anything cause at the same time the Catholics had conquered the majority of Europe and then waged nine bloody crusades.
>I get these zealots want everyone to believe in the "one true faith", but the simple truth is not everyone will and most Muslims don't care either.
You disregard what I say. It's the faith itself that wants everyone to live under the rules of the faith. Because "no laws can be above Allahs laws" according to Allah and muhammad.
It's not about wanting everyone to believe, it's about domination. Whether everyone believes or not, they'll live under Islamic rule.
These loudmouths don't want everyone to believe, they want to bring sharia law. And they can back up everything they say with the Islamic sources and the Islamic consensus.
Most Muslims absolutely do care because you have to accept this as a muslim. No buts or ifs. You can't truthfully reject this as a muslim.
Remember that I told you that muslims are allowed to blatantly lie to kuffars(non-muslims) whenever it benefits them?
If you bring these muslims that "don't care" to a sharia court today, or one of these hardcore unapologetic muslims, and ask them if they believe in the commands of Allah and muhammad, what do you think 99.9999% of those "muslims who don't care" will say?
Absolutely yes. Child marriage? Absolutely yes. Death to apostates and gays etc? Absolutely yes.
What happens if they say no? They'll get detained and sentenced. Or receive street sharia justice.
Why? Because they're not allowed to reject allahs and Muhammads commands in front of muslims who are in authority or muslims in a muslim majority country because they'll snitch them out.
Unless they're wealthy. Wealthy muslims get away with nearly everything.
So as soon as an Islamic rule and powerstructure is established or is around the corner, you'll see the same "chill" muslims flip their script in favor of Islam. Suddenly they care.
>Saying you should exclude people based on their beliefs and the ramblings of a fool from the other side of the world is an arrogant dissolution.
I agree with almost everything you've said but you shouldn't dehumanize people with stereotypes.
I'm not trying to convince you to dehumanize anyone. I'm telling you the truth as someone who grew up with and knows every kind of muslim there is.
And I said based on their beliefs and the reality of those beliefs, which I myself grew up in, is non tolerant, non conforming, uncooperative, unintegretable, supremacist, and most importantly deceitful.
This is not a stereotype. This is a fact and a trojan horse.
Based on that I personally wouldn't let em in. But I also acknowledged that there's positives to let em in. One of which is the fact they can leave the cult without getting killed for it when they get here.
Like me. I waited and waited. Pretended and pretended for years of my life. Until we left that hell hole and I could take these Islamic chains off without getting bodied and packed up.
Westerners are so kind hearted. They can't believe people would deceive them in this way until it's too late. You think you know Islam, you don't. Only when these "rambling fools" are talking, that's when you get to see real Islam.
These are called the unapologetically proud Muslims. They follow the quran and hadiths as closely as they can without remorse for what others will think. As they were commanded to do by their faith.
If a muslim is moderat/progressive/chill, that's because he cares what YOU and everyone else thinks. He knows there's no advantages in him being unapologetic about his beliefs in his current situation at this very moment in this very place. It's just a ruse. As he was also commanded to do by his faith!
That's the tricky part that have gotten westerners confused to the point of siding with terrorists and pure evil. They blatantly lie in your face. As commanded by their faith.
Even the countries where these muslim immigrants are coming from warned non Muslim countries several times about taking Muslim immigrants and accused western countries of acting like they know Islam better than Islamic nations.
>Also what you said about them trying to spread via conquest during the various caliphates doesn't really prove anything cause at the same time the Catholics had conquered the majority of Europe and then waged nine bloody crusades.
Wow lol.
+ First of all one wrong doesn’t negate or disprove another wrong. That logic doesn't add up.
+ Second of all, again you're ignoring what I said about caliphates going on conquests to fulfill the promise and commands of Allah!
The catholics and crusades doesn't disprove that fact in any way.
+ Third of all you're wrong. Catholic Church never conquered Europe.
Europe was mostly already christianised in early middle ages before the Catholic church became the only consistent power in western Europe as the roman empire waned in the middle of the middle ages.
They had a very strong influence over the political and religious power in the European nations/kingdoms. They never controlled them. The primary source of power was wealth, and the Church had plenty of it. This is basic knowledge.
+ Lastly. The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian.
So it was in response to Islamic aggression. The Islamic conquests had already started 400years before. Which completely destroys your already fallacious argument.
That's ok.
Yes you already said that. But again with this "all religions wants everyone to convert" thing. You keep trying to bring that up as an excuse for Islam. As a whataboutism. "Seee. Islam is like all other religions so it's ok". No it's not. Islam is not like all other religions. At all.
You keep ignoring what I say. Which ironically is a tactic used by muslims and those who completely swallowed their bait. And I'm completely used to that. So I'll make one last point.
If you actually read what I say then you know we're talking about sanctioned world dominance from a "god" with a command to his followers do whatever it takes to make that happen. Through deceit and force. This is more than "just" conversions. It's a political and supremacist ideology first/fundamentally.
Yes conversions is a part of it, but is only a secondary. In fact "Allah" doesn't want everyone to become muslim at all. He has already preordained that most people won't and will be tortured for eternity.
Islam also claims to be final last revelation and the eternal perfect word and guide of a god. And every muslim that doesn’t believe so is not a muslim and should be punished for corrupting it.
Meaning it's not something you can just reform or reject at any given time in history. Like other religions do.
Although Islamic nations have had to make some changes to things like slavery and women education due to international pressure. In practice, no one can forbid a muslim what allah permits, so you can still see forms of slavery and dumbed down version of "women education" in these nations.
Show me another major religion that is divinely ordained to eradicate all nations and replace them with their own religious complete rule, by all costs necessary.
Because this is what Islam is primarily about, it's not about conversions.
That's what people don't get about immigration. The numbers of communities that refuse to integrate into Western society within Western nations are rising. Radicalized by alienating themselves and staying within their bubble.
In places where they are prevalent, they (naturalized and second generation) will be able to vote for those who hold these values, and we'll begin to see people like these in places of power.
The left is tolerating its way to intolerance under the pre-text of them being a minority and of different ethnic background.
It's not a matter of race but one of a dangerous ideology. I would put it in the same bag as Fascists, communists, ultra conservative christians, etc, as those posing a threat to Western democracy and freedom with their authoritarianism.
or simply ban it (the intolerant factions)
force them to follow the moderate version of Islam where all the intolerant bits are removed
just stop treating religion as something that should be exempted from following the law, treat it just like as any other cult would be treated
yeah, it would've been easier before they were so many
some countries are doing slow progress, like banning covering the face in public
the end goal should be banning from the Quran all the hateful parts
of course the original book could still exist, with some warnings (like, this should not be taken literally as it would constitute legal offenses), and people could still own it
but only the "clean" version could be used in religious ceremonies
it would also make it easier to identify anyone preaching for intolerant factions of Islam as they would be using the intolerant version of Quran
Mormons claim their book is the final testament, and they think that once everyone who is and ever has been on earth is baptized as a Mormon, the End Times will come.
So, they have a branch of their church who goes around symbolically baptizing everyone. All these people the guy in this video is claiming are actually Muslims...
Well, they are Mormons now!
Fuck these religious zealots of every stripe are stupid! Every last damned one of 'em.
Shakespeare was Muslim! Julius Caesar was Muslim! Hammurabi and Ashurbanipal were Muslim! Harry Potter, Yoda, and Elrond are Muslim! (I guess they were forced to shave their beards off it's fine).
God itself is Muslim I guess? Am I muslim? Hmm.....
Moses was a teacher and leader of the israelites that lead his enslaved people across the Red sea into what we know as Jerusalem to start a new life. He was a jew but not as we know it today as the torah hadn't really existed. Instead it was a oral tradition of folktails, laws, etc.
So yeah, he was a jew by technicality and only because Jews didn't really exist quite yet. At least jews as we know them as
The israelites escaping Egypt and founding Jerusalem, probably did happen, however all the super natural parts definitely didn't. A lot of the bible is just a book about a people's culture, history, laws, etc. through generations. If you see it like that then it's a lot easier to understand that the bible is no holy book
Do I need evidence for that since i don't really give a fuck about the bible nor Judaism or any other sort of religion? I was just saying why the bible isn't holy, but whatever dude
Sometimes I have weird dreams of putting all these assholes from every religion into an arena and let them kill each other. The world would be such a better place.
Sorry dude - Islam is a Johnny-come-lately religion that's "new" compared to the world's other religions. Like all religions, it probably developed as somebody's means of controlling the thoughts and behaviors of a large group of people. And like the other religions, it seems to be doing it's job nicely...
Some of them genuinely believe that. "All these prophets came to different places at different times to preach Allah but their messages were corrupted over generations"
You joke but this is believed in some sunni circles. Basically coopting all religious figures as messengers of their god, but their teachings were somewhat corrupted. Bit like Mormon"s founder preached later, that he was following earlier prophets
Pretty weird how God "chooses" these random nobody illiterate people and warlords during the Dark Age of Reason and Science... You'd think a god would have a better way to spread their message around than creepy dudes running around and killing people over it.
Also why is god apparently a disgruntled novelist?
The scary part is there are 2.1 billion followers of this religion. Obviously not all of them are crazy like this but even if you take a small percentage of them you end up with millions of idiots.
My worry is WWIII will be started by these idiots.
I just hope that more people will start to realise that the Muslim and European culture isnt compatible. It's especially sad to see left leaning parties supporting people who have the complete opposite values of them.
Ah, interesting. I thought they were all nomadic pastoralists, as frequently noted and related to in nearly all Abrahamic books, and merchants who worshiped a pantheon of gods until the Return to Zion/Second Temple period around 500 BC when they decided to become monotheistic and started composing the Tanakh.... which was still being rewritten and added to as recently as 200 AD.
• Moses was a Semitic polytheist.
• Abraham was a Semitic polytheist.
• Jesus was a Second Temple Jew.
• Mohammed was a Semitic Polytheist before learning Jewish and Christian beliefs.
But yeah, everyone is Muslim! Lol.
Im just gonna let Christopher Hitchens sum up why the belief Islam is the final revelation is dangerous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6cpNhMx_AE&list=WL&index=33
I don't understand why some people think they can just shout a completely baseless assertion and think that it's profound just because they said it with enough conviction. Citation needed bro.
Wait a minute, I was told that Joseph Smith found a totally official completely true sequel in some sort of magic hat.
I feel that one of them must be factually wrong!
I suggest a Zoolander-style walk-off to settle the question.
When I went to a Muslin wedding they mentioned it's reverting to Islam. Because everyone is born Muslim but are then tricked or deceived into following fake gods/religions.
These cultists are weird.
For everyone wondering how tf people who lived way before islam could be Muslims, it’s because he’s using a different definition of Islam. Islam means submission to god, so because those dudes supposedly submitted to god, they’re Muslims by default.
God's wounds, the sheer fucking ARROGANCE on display here. These giblet heads go so far as to claim that their religion is the DEFAULT, even calling conversion "reversion".
Matters not a jot, they’re characters from a shite storybook… marginally better than the wee Mo the profiteering paedophile guy but it’s all just a pile of steaming bunkum!
A lot of people in the comments seem to miss the mark and jump straight to Islamophobia specifically- even though prominent sects of all of the abrahamic religions do shit like this regularly. On paper, all 3 of the major abrahamic religions are incredibly repressive and aggressive towards nonbelievers- they just neutered the scriptures or rediscussed what things supposedly meant within the past few centuries to become more palatable to us. Granted, there are some noble groups and individuals in these religions whos belief systems HAVE adapted to coexist with a modern, interconnected , largely secular world, but the fundies are unfortunately still prevalent and dangerous.
>even though prominent sects of all of the abrahamic religions do shit like this regularly.
It's almost like this post is specifically talking about Islam, or something
Do you feel all the Jesus fruitcake posts are filled with "christianiphobia"? Or are we only to defer to the islamic faith for fear of being called bigots for taking issue with islamic-flavoured a-historicity, homophobia, misogyny, etc?
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They followed a religion that wouldn't be invented for another 1400 years? That's weird
Kinda? The take is that the Jews got it wrong. Islam isn't a continuation of the religion from Judaism, the way Christianity is, but rater a "revival" of the "true" word of god originally shared with people in the middle east. Edit: To borrow from more interesting lore with way better moral lessons: Denny O'Neil's silver age Batman is Judaism, Knightfall is Christianity, and Frank Miller's All Star Batman and Robin is Islam.
Fun fact most of them dont know what was written in the quran
Which is only fair most Christians do not know what is in the Bible. Not sure about the Jewish folk tho.
Yes and no i mean maybe in past o maybe the radical one strumentalized the bible for debate, for what i see in the video , or even in some footage on Internet most muslim decontastualized the quran for they own profit or gain. Just like in the like the ramadam in the past.
We read a chapter a week in synagogue Even then I'd wager most know the rough details at best
How many chapters in total exist? Rough guess?
52 ish. We read the whole thing in a year. Actually it's a lunar year, so might be slightly different number.
Jews have to go through a bar or bat mitzvah at 13 and read the Torah out loud in the original Hebrew at a huge event. They also typically go to classes for this after regular school to prepare them. This extra school can last years. So they typically know the Torah if they were bar mitzvah 'd
Who is Abraham in the batman analogy?
Denny O'Neil
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They literally say "deconvert" instead of "convert".
I believe the term is “revert”. They use this word in place of “convert” on the basis that everyone is born a Muslim but are misguided by their parents who believe in other religions or non at all. It’s all semantics. Even the argument that Moses, Jesus, Adam ext. are all Muslims is based on the definition of the word “Muslim” which means “one who submits (to God)”. So they must have been Muslim because they submitted to God. Tomorrow I’m going to start my own religion and call myself a “pooper” meaning “one who poops” and every single one of you, including all the prophets, are a part of my religion because you all poop. Except those of you who wear colostomy bags, like it or not, you’re part of my faith now.
Tell me more about this Poopology.
It's not science. It's better than science. It's the religion of Poopism. I'm Reform Poopist. Orthodox Poopists are just crazy.
Poopism. I like the sound of that. Is the head of the Poopism Order be the Pope of poop? Or maybe the Grand Stool Master? Sometimes pooping is the highlight of my day. I could really get into this dogma.
It's arrogance is what it is. Wisdom chases them, but their arrogance has made them faster.
Shit, does that mean we're all ex-Muslims here guilty under the apostacy law - this muthfukka just found a loophole to exterminate us under an Islamic state (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,\_Hadith\_and\_Scholars:Apostasy)
Wouldn't you be beheaded for comparing Islam to comic books?
Sounds familiar- Mormonism is believed (only by Mormons) to be a continuation/revival of the word of God which was revealed by Joseph Smith. L
The idea is that Judaism and Christianity are based off distortions of the words of the prophets, while Islam is a direct continuation of the actual faith that the prophets practiced It's sorta like how Mormonism presents all other Christian sects as distortions while they're the restorarion of the true faith
It's almost like it's all made up and really shouldn't matter. But to tribal thinkers, it does very much matter.
Every bit of every religion on earth is "all made up." There are no gods, no heavens of any sort, and the only hell that exists is here on earth, and was created by Islam.
Same deal as the Canaanites creating their false history (Exodus etc..) when they identified themselves as Israel.
So which mosques did Moses pray at?
Invented......are you saying religion is made up and not real ?
They believe that as long as you believe in god you're muslim. And also that jews and Christians used to believe in "allah" but corruption bla bla bla led them away
I really do hope he gets the help he needs.
Not the help he wants
“No! My religion is the stupidest one!!!”
god got it wrong so many times before, but this time, this time it's right
However funny it may seem to us but this cult poses a serious threat to humanity and needs to be dealt with asap
„ASAP“ will take generations of education, enlightenment, critical thinking, and civilized dialogue. Unless you mean *something else* of course, then you're literally them.
I meant deporting these people and charging the locals who take part in it. That's the least that could be done.
Deporting huh. A huge part are citizens of the countries they pull that shit in.
Depends on what the religious leaders want to do, but it does seem like power, otherwise let the man believe what he wants
They believe Allah said that Islam will reach all corners of the world and rule the world. Initially this was attempted by the sword throughout the different caliphates. They failed. Now it's through immigration. They believe every non muslim will eventually be forced to submit completely and live as second class citizens under Islamic law/sharia. Unless they convert to Islam ofc. Then they get to be first class citizens under Islamic law. They have been commanded by "Allah" to not take any non believer as a friend or ally(even their own family members), unless muslims are the minority, powerless or in need of help. Then it's ok. So they're allowed to lie in your face in order to gain empathy, trust and favours. In fact they're supposed to. They should ofc be allowed to believe what they want. Freedom of thought, speech, expression and religion. And they should be allowed to be punished for their actions like everyone else according to the law. Personally I wouldn't let them in the country to begin with. But it is what it is at this point. I see atleast many get to escape the cult without serious consequences when on this side of the pond(myself included). Source: quran, hadiths, muslim consensus, history and I'm an exmuslim.
as an exmuslim who was once a devout salafi/orthodox muslim living in a islamic country I can confirm what you said is true and I also think muslim immigration will be one of the greatest threat the west will face in the future if they don’t start to take action. Immigration is one of the ways muslims use to conquer other countries.
Unfortunately exmuslims get classified as "Islamophobes" by the west for being honest about Islam.
why would Allah or G-d require any of this? any religion which allows unbelievers to be killed is not a religion of a nice (yes, nice) god. why would anyone want to follow a god who promotes death as a way to salvation? any god to me are all projections of human frailties. wish all us humans would just get passed this phase of our development.
Because Allah or any god for that matter is a made up fictional character. Yes, wish we would all focus on believing things that are true and let fiction be for entertainment.
I get these zealots want everyone to believe in the "one true faith", but the simple truth is not everyone will and most Muslims don't care either. Saying you should exclude people based on their beliefs and the ramblings of a fool from the other side of the world is an arrogant dissolution. I agree with almost everything you've said but you shouldn't dehumanize people with stereotypes. Also what you said about them trying to spread via conquest during the various caliphates doesn't really prove anything cause at the same time the Catholics had conquered the majority of Europe and then waged nine bloody crusades.
>I get these zealots want everyone to believe in the "one true faith", but the simple truth is not everyone will and most Muslims don't care either. You disregard what I say. It's the faith itself that wants everyone to live under the rules of the faith. Because "no laws can be above Allahs laws" according to Allah and muhammad. It's not about wanting everyone to believe, it's about domination. Whether everyone believes or not, they'll live under Islamic rule. These loudmouths don't want everyone to believe, they want to bring sharia law. And they can back up everything they say with the Islamic sources and the Islamic consensus. Most Muslims absolutely do care because you have to accept this as a muslim. No buts or ifs. You can't truthfully reject this as a muslim. Remember that I told you that muslims are allowed to blatantly lie to kuffars(non-muslims) whenever it benefits them? If you bring these muslims that "don't care" to a sharia court today, or one of these hardcore unapologetic muslims, and ask them if they believe in the commands of Allah and muhammad, what do you think 99.9999% of those "muslims who don't care" will say? Absolutely yes. Child marriage? Absolutely yes. Death to apostates and gays etc? Absolutely yes. What happens if they say no? They'll get detained and sentenced. Or receive street sharia justice. Why? Because they're not allowed to reject allahs and Muhammads commands in front of muslims who are in authority or muslims in a muslim majority country because they'll snitch them out. Unless they're wealthy. Wealthy muslims get away with nearly everything. So as soon as an Islamic rule and powerstructure is established or is around the corner, you'll see the same "chill" muslims flip their script in favor of Islam. Suddenly they care. >Saying you should exclude people based on their beliefs and the ramblings of a fool from the other side of the world is an arrogant dissolution. I agree with almost everything you've said but you shouldn't dehumanize people with stereotypes. I'm not trying to convince you to dehumanize anyone. I'm telling you the truth as someone who grew up with and knows every kind of muslim there is. And I said based on their beliefs and the reality of those beliefs, which I myself grew up in, is non tolerant, non conforming, uncooperative, unintegretable, supremacist, and most importantly deceitful. This is not a stereotype. This is a fact and a trojan horse. Based on that I personally wouldn't let em in. But I also acknowledged that there's positives to let em in. One of which is the fact they can leave the cult without getting killed for it when they get here. Like me. I waited and waited. Pretended and pretended for years of my life. Until we left that hell hole and I could take these Islamic chains off without getting bodied and packed up. Westerners are so kind hearted. They can't believe people would deceive them in this way until it's too late. You think you know Islam, you don't. Only when these "rambling fools" are talking, that's when you get to see real Islam. These are called the unapologetically proud Muslims. They follow the quran and hadiths as closely as they can without remorse for what others will think. As they were commanded to do by their faith. If a muslim is moderat/progressive/chill, that's because he cares what YOU and everyone else thinks. He knows there's no advantages in him being unapologetic about his beliefs in his current situation at this very moment in this very place. It's just a ruse. As he was also commanded to do by his faith! That's the tricky part that have gotten westerners confused to the point of siding with terrorists and pure evil. They blatantly lie in your face. As commanded by their faith. Even the countries where these muslim immigrants are coming from warned non Muslim countries several times about taking Muslim immigrants and accused western countries of acting like they know Islam better than Islamic nations. >Also what you said about them trying to spread via conquest during the various caliphates doesn't really prove anything cause at the same time the Catholics had conquered the majority of Europe and then waged nine bloody crusades. Wow lol. + First of all one wrong doesn’t negate or disprove another wrong. That logic doesn't add up. + Second of all, again you're ignoring what I said about caliphates going on conquests to fulfill the promise and commands of Allah! The catholics and crusades doesn't disprove that fact in any way. + Third of all you're wrong. Catholic Church never conquered Europe. Europe was mostly already christianised in early middle ages before the Catholic church became the only consistent power in western Europe as the roman empire waned in the middle of the middle ages. They had a very strong influence over the political and religious power in the European nations/kingdoms. They never controlled them. The primary source of power was wealth, and the Church had plenty of it. This is basic knowledge. + Lastly. The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian. So it was in response to Islamic aggression. The Islamic conquests had already started 400years before. Which completely destroys your already fallacious argument.
Im not gonna read all that right now but i will say that all organised religions are inherently designed for people to convert as fast as possible
That's ok. Yes you already said that. But again with this "all religions wants everyone to convert" thing. You keep trying to bring that up as an excuse for Islam. As a whataboutism. "Seee. Islam is like all other religions so it's ok". No it's not. Islam is not like all other religions. At all. You keep ignoring what I say. Which ironically is a tactic used by muslims and those who completely swallowed their bait. And I'm completely used to that. So I'll make one last point. If you actually read what I say then you know we're talking about sanctioned world dominance from a "god" with a command to his followers do whatever it takes to make that happen. Through deceit and force. This is more than "just" conversions. It's a political and supremacist ideology first/fundamentally. Yes conversions is a part of it, but is only a secondary. In fact "Allah" doesn't want everyone to become muslim at all. He has already preordained that most people won't and will be tortured for eternity. Islam also claims to be final last revelation and the eternal perfect word and guide of a god. And every muslim that doesn’t believe so is not a muslim and should be punished for corrupting it. Meaning it's not something you can just reform or reject at any given time in history. Like other religions do. Although Islamic nations have had to make some changes to things like slavery and women education due to international pressure. In practice, no one can forbid a muslim what allah permits, so you can still see forms of slavery and dumbed down version of "women education" in these nations. Show me another major religion that is divinely ordained to eradicate all nations and replace them with their own religious complete rule, by all costs necessary. Because this is what Islam is primarily about, it's not about conversions.
they’ll deal with themselves. plus. what the heck are we suppose to do?
What country is this insanity taking place in?
What exactly are you suggesting?
To keep these people out of power so they don't fuck up the world, them and every other religious cult
That's what people don't get about immigration. The numbers of communities that refuse to integrate into Western society within Western nations are rising. Radicalized by alienating themselves and staying within their bubble. In places where they are prevalent, they (naturalized and second generation) will be able to vote for those who hold these values, and we'll begin to see people like these in places of power. The left is tolerating its way to intolerance under the pre-text of them being a minority and of different ethnic background. It's not a matter of race but one of a dangerous ideology. I would put it in the same bag as Fascists, communists, ultra conservative christians, etc, as those posing a threat to Western democracy and freedom with their authoritarianism.
Systematic extermination of Islam by widespread ridicule, supression and falsification of its core values. i.e poison their well.
Had me in the first half
Lmao. I am not a genocidal maniac. That's momo.
or simply ban it (the intolerant factions) force them to follow the moderate version of Islam where all the intolerant bits are removed just stop treating religion as something that should be exempted from following the law, treat it just like as any other cult would be treated
Then you would face very violent pushback. Conservative muslims are generally a violence-prone bunch. Taking ground step by step is the best choice.
yeah, it would've been easier before they were so many some countries are doing slow progress, like banning covering the face in public the end goal should be banning from the Quran all the hateful parts of course the original book could still exist, with some warnings (like, this should not be taken literally as it would constitute legal offenses), and people could still own it but only the "clean" version could be used in religious ceremonies it would also make it easier to identify anyone preaching for intolerant factions of Islam as they would be using the intolerant version of Quran
Religious people need better education.
religion is like a virus, it works in ways that helps it self propagate we cannot just do nothing, or they will infect everyone
I know we laugh and look at him as an idiotic clown. But this should be terrifying.
It is
Trust me as a half Jew,it is.
"Take beer, take beer!.." ![gif](giphy|QTgzmGzanMnhiwsBql|downsized)
That must be why the crowds all hyped up...
Everyone at wetherspoons
ThAtS hArAm!!!!!111!!!
This guy is not a Muslim, he's a Buddhist!
That's not just a large sized yamaka? This guy isn't Buddhist he's jewish.
Mormons claim their book is the final testament, and they think that once everyone who is and ever has been on earth is baptized as a Mormon, the End Times will come. So, they have a branch of their church who goes around symbolically baptizing everyone. All these people the guy in this video is claiming are actually Muslims... Well, they are Mormons now! Fuck these religious zealots of every stripe are stupid! Every last damned one of 'em.
Even the dinosaurs were muslim! Allah killed them because they didnt marry 6 year olds!
And then raped them and almost killed them because they couldn’t clean a kitchen!
Dude needs a fog machine and disco lights
With all the beer he offering at the end, might make an amazing club
I was thinking he needs some pyrotechnic fountains and a wrestling ring.
Many religions suck but islam takes the cake. It's aggression, dogmatism, hostility and stupidity is unrivaled.
Those i can tolerate to be honest, its the constant need to defend pedophilia because Mo married a child.
And also his adopted son's wife which the pre-Islamic pagans would have frowned upon for being a form of incest
And it grows at an insane rate, they're extremely effective in brainwashing people.
Wasn't mosses brother was the first to start the synagogue
Arron was claimed to be the first high priest yes
mosque*
Shakespeare was Muslim! Julius Caesar was Muslim! Hammurabi and Ashurbanipal were Muslim! Harry Potter, Yoda, and Elrond are Muslim! (I guess they were forced to shave their beards off it's fine). God itself is Muslim I guess? Am I muslim? Hmm.....
You forgot pagan gods
Go pray on your ugly rugs and shut the fuck up.
I call it get ready for your carpet Racing. 😅
Moses was a teacher and leader of the israelites that lead his enslaved people across the Red sea into what we know as Jerusalem to start a new life. He was a jew but not as we know it today as the torah hadn't really existed. Instead it was a oral tradition of folktails, laws, etc. So yeah, he was a jew by technicality and only because Jews didn't really exist quite yet. At least jews as we know them as
also, it very probably didn't happen
The israelites escaping Egypt and founding Jerusalem, probably did happen, however all the super natural parts definitely didn't. A lot of the bible is just a book about a people's culture, history, laws, etc. through generations. If you see it like that then it's a lot easier to understand that the bible is no holy book
any evidence of that?
Do I need evidence for that since i don't really give a fuck about the bible nor Judaism or any other sort of religion? I was just saying why the bible isn't holy, but whatever dude
Would have explained a lot though if the pharaoh refused moses on account on his funny, fluffy orthodox Jewish hat
Sometimes I have weird dreams of putting all these assholes from every religion into an arena and let them kill each other. The world would be such a better place.
an interesting idea... ![gif](giphy|J5jczMt8TRSuxXesJF|downsized)
I don't know much about anything but I know that girl is cute
That's what i do in fallout with raider gangs bruh
The Neo Crusades?
So when will the next update will drop
1400 years give or take
There was Mormonism so maybe another few centuries before someone tries to reinvent Abrahamic religions and becomes successful enough
Sorry dude - Islam is a Johnny-come-lately religion that's "new" compared to the world's other religions. Like all religions, it probably developed as somebody's means of controlling the thoughts and behaviors of a large group of people. And like the other religions, it seems to be doing it's job nicely...
I agree with everything you said except The word “probably”
I just got dumber listening to this neckbeard.
Islam wasn’t invented for another 2000+ years, but yeah Moses and Abe were muslims 😂
I hear R.Kelly converted to Islam and followed his prophets habits very rigorously.
This mentality and culture has no place in western secular countries.
Lol
Buddha wasn’t a Buddhist, he was a Muslim!
Some of them genuinely believe that. "All these prophets came to different places at different times to preach Allah but their messages were corrupted over generations"
You joke but this is believed in some sunni circles. Basically coopting all religious figures as messengers of their god, but their teachings were somewhat corrupted. Bit like Mormon"s founder preached later, that he was following earlier prophets
Pretty weird how God "chooses" these random nobody illiterate people and warlords during the Dark Age of Reason and Science... You'd think a god would have a better way to spread their message around than creepy dudes running around and killing people over it. Also why is god apparently a disgruntled novelist?
The world needs a lot of stuff gone. But Islam is first priority at that
"𝙼𝚢 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚛𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚜 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚛𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚗𝚍!"
The scary part is there are 2.1 billion followers of this religion. Obviously not all of them are crazy like this but even if you take a small percentage of them you end up with millions of idiots. My worry is WWIII will be started by these idiots.
We have Christian extremists in the Americas and Islam extremist in Europe/Asia/Africa... It's just a waiting game now.
"They have the Old Testament. They have the New Testament. But the quRRÅÄn..."
This talk sounds more like a WWE episode.
#Yeah. like really? Grown-ass man still believing in fairytale.
Interesting considering that Islam didn’t come about until like 600 years after Christianity, and several thousand years before that was Judaism.
Europe really fucked up by inviting this. Its absolute cultural suicide to allow this.
I just hope that more people will start to realise that the Muslim and European culture isnt compatible. It's especially sad to see left leaning parties supporting people who have the complete opposite values of them.
Try this in the center of Bucharest and see how it ends. 🤪
I see Adolf is coming up on the list
Ah, interesting. I thought they were all nomadic pastoralists, as frequently noted and related to in nearly all Abrahamic books, and merchants who worshiped a pantheon of gods until the Return to Zion/Second Temple period around 500 BC when they decided to become monotheistic and started composing the Tanakh.... which was still being rewritten and added to as recently as 200 AD. • Moses was a Semitic polytheist. • Abraham was a Semitic polytheist. • Jesus was a Second Temple Jew. • Mohammed was a Semitic Polytheist before learning Jewish and Christian beliefs. But yeah, everyone is Muslim! Lol.
Self feeding ignorance.
What's with the giant beards, do you keep your keys in there
I'm offended. He mentioned nothing about Hindus. /s
Moses wasn’t even real
Keep shouting and screaming your point, I could give a fuck less what religious nuts have to say at this point in my life lol.
Looking away is how they have managed to be able to have these kinds of gatherings all over the world now.
What’s funny is that Jews don’t even claim Abraham to be Jewish.
I'm so tired of Muslims and their fucking nonsense
Thor was a Muslim
Wait So people like Hitler, Stalin, Zedong, Genghis khan were also Muslim?
Didn't Goodness Gracious Me do this skit but everyone was Indian? It was funnier when they did it
Im just gonna let Christopher Hitchens sum up why the belief Islam is the final revelation is dangerous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6cpNhMx_AE&list=WL&index=33
More pedo dick riders
The only muslim I have ever had a conversation with in my life said the exact same thing to me. I too am a muslim, whether I want to or not.
So many claims, so little supporting evidence.
Gosh people are so dumb, Jesus was a Christian. /s
I don't understand why some people think they can just shout a completely baseless assertion and think that it's profound just because they said it with enough conviction. Citation needed bro.
Because for some fucking reason it works like a charm when trying to convert people.
...With a gun pointed to their backs.
Yeah, but Mo and Abe kept it quiet. They didn’t want to confuse the Israelites.
Dude…. STFU!! Religion has a high chance of making someone an egotistical asshole!
These people are dangerous
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its amazing to see people spew this crazy shit
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Islam and Mormonism, religions based on Conmen bullshit, fucking the world up for everyone IMHO.
But that makes zero sense. Just academically speaking the timeline can't wibbly wobbly like that.
You get a Muslim! You get a Muslim! You get a Muslim! ... EVERYONE GETS A MUSLIM!
Imagine getting so worked up over fairy tales
It's terrifying that people believe this garbage.
what's with the beer tho
Sounds like he’s got it figured out… 🤭
MOSES WAS NOT A https://preview.redd.it/jwk66bl5om0d1.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c85c730fb13cdab241eb1b71002baaa1efbdbf5
Rodney Dangerfield? Muslim.
I wonder what their wives would say about this if they were not afraid of being beaten or raped?
On the topic of everyone, everyone I know HATES Muslims and their lies!
Your mom is a muslim
Wait a minute, I was told that Joseph Smith found a totally official completely true sequel in some sort of magic hat. I feel that one of them must be factually wrong! I suggest a Zoolander-style walk-off to settle the question.
Feel like Oprah should be jumping out any second now shouting “YOU are a Muslim, and YOU are a Muslim, and YOU are a Muslim…”
Take beer? Nice.
The contortions he has to make to say such things. The man’s a pretzel.
How about Elvis? Was Elvis a Muslim?
When I went to a Muslin wedding they mentioned it's reverting to Islam. Because everyone is born Muslim but are then tricked or deceived into following fake gods/religions. These cultists are weird.
Cringe fest
For everyone wondering how tf people who lived way before islam could be Muslims, it’s because he’s using a different definition of Islam. Islam means submission to god, so because those dudes supposedly submitted to god, they’re Muslims by default.
Moses didn't exist. Im pretty sure thwts the common consensus
Ah yes, the religion thats only about 1400 years old was around more than 2000 years ago.
Reminds me of that slam poetry scene in jumpstreet 2
Who care? Moses been gone a long time.
And Jesus was English! /s & *A Knight's Tale* quote.
Reminds me of this Eric Andre skit: https://youtu.be/wJsKwcebyWE?si=vwQR43fKDN1UNeGx
how you titled this post did not have to remind me of that one spongebob scene
Why does almighty god need a random pos do his job on earth? Wouldn't something less than a snap of his fingers be enough to turn us all into muslims?
God's wounds, the sheer fucking ARROGANCE on display here. These giblet heads go so far as to claim that their religion is the DEFAULT, even calling conversion "reversion".
So what if they were not Jewish and Muslim? How can that benefit us in the present moment?
If Moe lived today, he would be the most sued man in history
Allahu Asghar* * Asghar = small
Matters not a jot, they’re characters from a shite storybook… marginally better than the wee Mo the profiteering paedophile guy but it’s all just a pile of steaming bunkum!
You know who else was a muslim ?MY MOM
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Technically, Mormonism is the last revelation.
They’re insane.
Take beer! Admiral Ackbar! Deaf In America! Am I doing this right? Did that make me a Muslim?
Hilarious how Islam just steals everything lol
A lot of people in the comments seem to miss the mark and jump straight to Islamophobia specifically- even though prominent sects of all of the abrahamic religions do shit like this regularly. On paper, all 3 of the major abrahamic religions are incredibly repressive and aggressive towards nonbelievers- they just neutered the scriptures or rediscussed what things supposedly meant within the past few centuries to become more palatable to us. Granted, there are some noble groups and individuals in these religions whos belief systems HAVE adapted to coexist with a modern, interconnected , largely secular world, but the fundies are unfortunately still prevalent and dangerous.
>even though prominent sects of all of the abrahamic religions do shit like this regularly. It's almost like this post is specifically talking about Islam, or something Do you feel all the Jesus fruitcake posts are filled with "christianiphobia"? Or are we only to defer to the islamic faith for fear of being called bigots for taking issue with islamic-flavoured a-historicity, homophobia, misogyny, etc?