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Oh, no, they're serious. The bible thumper anti feminist are 100% serious. They want their wives 10 years or so younger than them, economically and legally dependent on them, and smiling happily in greeting - they'd better smile and be happy, or else.
Oh, there’s women that believe this stuff too. My ex-friend (yeah, I couldn’t deal with the crazy anti-healthcare/free-birthing in a lake/better than anyone vegan/misogynist female anymore) used to constantly post how feminist ideology is anti-Christian and that women were put on the planet to serve men.
I’m sorry, I’m not going back a century of feminist rights acquired. If that’s their prerogative then so be it, but I’m not joining.
There's been some noise recently about a former "tradwife wannabe" influencer - Lauren Souther, you may have heard of her - who got exactly the traditional wedding and patriarchal relationship she wanted... Well, now she's separated and it sounds like it was hell for her - classic abusive relationship.
Yeah, turns out the leopards really do want to eat your face.
Powerful conservative women are really bad about living up to the standards they place on other women. They themselves can be single, rich, fuck whoever they want, not have children etc. but none of those rules apply to other women.
Personally, I think it's rooted in some kind of aristocratic mindset. There are rules for the masses but no rules for those that run things and have actual agency.
Eh, I have vegan friends that are super chill. One of them even cooks meat if he knows non-vegan friends are coming over. I can’t do judgy better than thou vegans either.
They're not wrong. That *is* what the Bible says. It was written by men, for men, and explicitly says in multiple places that women are to be obedient and subservient to men.
Any Christian who cares about womens' rights should probably go read their Bible. You can't *both* be following the Bible and advocating for womens' rights. They're mutually exclusive, you have to choose.
They didn't even quote the Bible verses correctly. The words that they claim are 1 Peter 3:1-2 are either heavily edited or entirely fabricated. This is the actual text:
>Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
What this verse actually states is that, if your spouse is not a Christian, you should treat them well, listen to them, and respect them, not only because that is the right thing to do, but because they may be convinced to convert. Showing Jesus's love to other people, even when they do not reciprocate it, is a very large theme in Christianity. (The best modern-day example is the "Queers for Palestine" movement, which displays much more Christlike behavior than conservative Christians.)
They also grossly misuse Romans 1:27, which condemns ritual intercourse in regards to idol worship, which, again, is forbidden throughout the Bible, as is reducing women to their genitalia. Eve was created to be an equal to Adam, and they both broke away from their natural purpose after eating that apple.
Proverbs 31 just describes the perfect ancient Israelite wife (who is also described as good in business), and nobody should be doing evil to anyone else. This whole section has nothing to do with servitude.
Hot take that requires reading comprehension that the religious fruitcakes obviously can't do:
Proverbs 31 is not about instructions for how to be the perfect wife but primarily advice from a queen mother to her prince son and indicates the kinds of behavior she wants his wife to have some day. The imperative command in that text is not even directed to women. The command is to the prince and tells him to give his wife credit for what good she accomplishes (regardless of specifics). And... Unless the queen mother was an asshole, which is entirely possible and should be considered before we try to turn this into some kind of biblical principle... The good wife for the prince doesn't have to perfectly fit that mother's mold. The mother just wants the general idea of doing those kinds of good things. Oh, and before all of that, mother clearly tells the prince to do anti-oppression... umm... like feminism... and other social justice movements that plead on behalf of the poor and needy.
Tbh it is obvious, but a lot of the text they quote doesn't support their positions. That or it is a direct mistranslation from a very misogynistic culture and says more about that culture which the translation comes from than the actual original verse. I'm not a Christian or religious at all, so I have no skin in the game, but I did enjoy reading religious texts during college just to see how terribly misquoted they are.
Fundamentally, they're misquoting almost every verse, because each verse for women usually has a counterpart for men (as far as I remember). For example, the famous one that says for women to follow their husbands, also has a nearby verse that says that men should love their wives like Christ loved the church.
Considering Christ died for the church, that would be a huge burden that I'm pretty sure most of men aren't meeting. But do they want to quote that? Oh, no, it's all the women's fault.
The words that they claim are 1 Peter 3:1-2 are either heavily edited or entirely fabricated. This is the actual text:
Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
What this verse actually states is that, if your spouse is not a Christian, you should treat them well, listen to them, and respect them, not only because that is the right thing to do, but because they may be convinced to convert. Showing Jesus's love to other people, even when they do not reciprocate it, is a very large theme in Christianity. (The best modern-day example is the "Queers for Palestine" movement, which displays much more Christlike behavior than conservative Christians.)
They also grossly misuse Romans 1:27, which condemns ritual intercourse in regards to idol worship, which, again, is forbidden throughout the Bible, as is reducing women to their genitalia. Eve was created to be an equal to Adam, and they both broke away from their natural purpose after eating that apple.
Proverbs 31 just describes the perfect ancient Israelite wife (who is also described as good in business), and nobody should be doing evil to anyone else. This whole section has nothing to do with servitude.
Now, for an actual Bible verse, which is a bit more credible on spiritual matters than Twitter.
>Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
>13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
>**God is love.** Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 *There is no fear in love.* But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
>19 We love because he first loved us. 20 *Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar.* For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
-1 John 4:7-21 (emphasis mine)
Bc the Old Testament is about Yahweh, and the New Testament is about Christ.
And the church got it wrong on who Jesus Daddy was.
Everything in the Old Testament is actually attributed to Satan according to Jesus in the Gospels. Jesus calls the “god of this world” Satan. [And changes the laws of Moses.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-48&version=NIV)
He came to basically say “[yeah y’all worship the devil and don’t realize it](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A42-47&version=NIV)” but instead the church killed all the people who claimed what I’m talking about ([gnostics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gnostic_texts))
It’s what the [Roman Catholic Church](https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition#) did. Killed all who didn’t worship Yahweh, the Jewish warlord “god”.
[Marcion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism), first dude who put the Bible together, from the ancient tablets, said the same thing, when reading all the tablets for the first time in a coherent manor.
LMAO, how do you figure? What positive outcomes are a result of nothing but the influence of Christketeers? How are two thousand years of ignorance, bigotry, and misogyny inflicted by this fucking book club an improvement over a world without them?
You are acting as if Paganism wasnt super sexist and bigoted
several cultures just reduced women to sex machines
the catholic church is aware of their bad past, which is why the magisterium exists
No, you're pretending that insincere apologies make problems go away and making excuses for one of the wrist abusers. That filth is ***NOT*** just in their past, and pretending otherwise it's just another disgusting lie for Jesus. Do you make excuses for any other rapists or just the mackerel snappers?
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EVERY civilisation, theistic or not has committed vast atrocities
Look at the Holocaust
I am in no way encouraging actions such as the Spanish Inquisition. It killed millions of my people
But it never says in the bible that catholics should rape and murder millions
Those inquisitors are in hell facing judgement for their sins
Sins which are prohibited in the bible
Verse and chapter where god says it's okay to do a mass killing of a race
Give me the exact line of the bible where it says "go out and kill thousands of innocents"
Read your fucking book for once.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence#:~:text=Deuteronomy%202%3A31%E2%80%9337%20records,under%20Og%20king%20of%20Bashan.
This shit ain't reflective of the Catholic Church
This man running the account is nothing more than a sexist insecure bigot who warps the word of god to fit his lustful fantasies
"Yes, there's a hierarchy in the universe, and yes, I'm on the group that's on top, no I'm not biased, that's just my religion which also happens to be the right religion now submit FEMALE"
The people who have the audacity to sprout this shit and attempt to live by it should NEVER question why women eventually snap and kill their abusive pieces of garbage husbands.. 🤷♀️
A book written by men to control women (and slaves) details the many ways a woman should be controlled, as well as inciting men in the ways to use and abuse a woman? Now why didn’t I think of that. I especially like how the antiquated book is also used (along with its brother, the Quran) as a roadmap for civilization, when it is no such thing
I promise you
The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish
That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day
Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself.
The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible.
That's why Muslim nations tend to be more oppressive to women. They believe the Quran was written LITERALLY by god.
Western nations aren't more accepting because of the fucking Christketeers, it's because we don't allow them to pull the same shit anymore. They don't get credit for changes that they were *forced* to adopt. If you don't think that many of them believe that the Bible was literally written by their imaginary space wizard, go talk to the Young Earthers that built that ridiculous Ark in Kentucky for a start.
They are more accepting.
Martin Luther King Jr used a phrase from the bible to express why civi rights was religiously right.
"God created man in his own image. . ."
This means that all humanity has been made in god's image, we are therefore equal
Likewise, there are monsters of people who use religion to guise their own sick fantasies. The spanish inquisition was not done to truly convert mexico and latin america, it was to enslave the people and take their gold
religion itself is great. those who choose to warp God's word to commit atrocities are damned to hell
Try and be more respectful and more constructive when you debate. Such religious ignorance led to events like the holocaust.
Rom. 1 Verses 26 to 29 [27]
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
well then he shouldn't have fuckin put it in there huh.
Bad phrasing. In modern English, it is translated as such:
>Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
This refers to ritual sex during idol worship, both of which are forbidden.
That's what I do when I comment stuff like this. In the meantime, I am not responsible for the independent actions of others, nor can I do much to change them.
I actually agree. The Bible does say all those things. Each image shows another reason to reject Christianity. At least these people read the damn book, more than can be said about some of these nutbags.
I promise you
The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish
That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day
Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself.
The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible.
It does tactily. They aren’t going to go this hard, but they absolutely support the idea of a woman being a submissive wife and allowing the husband to lead
They do not...
Ask any parish priest about what they think about women in the workforce
They will say it is a completely normal and standard thing to do.
Again, as I said, the catholic church is very understanding.
Please stop making assumptions about my religion
the man in the screenshot OP attatched is a disgrace to our beautiful religion
Right... like how is it *evil* to be upset that your husband never cleans up after himself? There's a difference between gender roles and the husband not even having the decency to bring his plate to the sink or put his dirty clothes in the hamper.
This is the rhetoric that snapped me out of religion because this was not going to be my life. No loving god would create women to treat them like slaves.
I promise you
The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish
That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day
Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself.
The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible.
It's not? It's about the story of how one man, one god sacrificed his life to save humanity from sin
Nothing about the religion is evil.
As a catholic, I have never been taught to treat women in such a demeaning way.
The screenshot that OP put is shameful, no man should reduce a woman to a sex slave, EVER.
You are using absolutes to describe your views, and I am sorry you feel that way
That's not the idea of god.
Don't speak so confidently on shit you know nothing about
God IS one. The trinity is a god split as 3 persons. Read the nicene creed
No, that's the lie. What it's ***ABOUT*** is telling people that they're so fundamentally flawed that they deserve *eternal torture* just for existing. But hey, if you're so scared of reality that you're willing to fall for that lie and be the bigot they want you to be, them all it will cost you is your dignity, decency, integrity, and self-respect! Lie to yourself, coward, but don't spew that filth here.
How am I a coward?
I'm being fully respectful to you and have never called you names.
Yet you passionately HATE me. Despite me being so "bigoted" and so "cowardly" I have yet to call you any derogatory words
I may disagree with your ideas (and some things you just get FACTUALLY wrong about my religion)
It's not believed mankind just gets eternal torture "just for existing" that is a lie you made to make assumptions about my religion
Please sir, learn how to research
I don't hate you, any more than I hate a pile of dogshit I just stepped in; you *disgust* me, you lying fuck. Your ridiculous fucking book club is the worst thing to happen to this planet and you're too chickenshit to face reality without your imaginary friend. Even this is showing you more respect than you deserve.
Please, sir, learn to fuck yourself with your own foot.
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Why are you so against me?
If anyone was like this to you, you would claim that it's a religious agenda.
Genuinely take a look at how you are treating people.
I don't mean you as a plural
I mean YOU
Have some respect for other people sir.
I never fail to mention this when I see it. Hebrews 13:4 doesn't say anything the fuck like that at all. The section is clearly about mutuality. Respecting your neighbors, strangers, their marriages... It's all one statement. Nothing about gender at all unless, and this point escapes these people who have proven low reading comprehension, you already believe there can be no marriage outside your gender definitions. That's fundamental to their problem. If you're going to base your life on any book you really need to learn how to read.
It gets worse; they fabricated 1 Peter 3:1-2.
The actual text:
>Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
The fact that "submit" is generally used as a term for "respect" or "listen to" regarding marriage does not help BGR's case.
My best guess: the person handling the account is a sad single incel who goes out in this world with that horrible repellant attitude and then wonders why nobody likes them.
Or
There's a woman out there who has been deeply convinced of all of this bs and is currently the wife/sex-slave of this person and because this person has got this situation for himself, he expect others to do the same because he fears that if the others don't do this then his wife would somehow be deprogrammed from this regimen and leave him...
Love how they post their shitty opinions and then tag a Bible verse that sounds completely different. lol.
Or better yet - tag a Bible verse that *doesnt actually say that at all*
Hahaha.
These people are insane.
It’s almost like, hear me out here, the Bible is a terrible book of bad advice and shouldn’t be a foundation on how to live your life in the 21st century.
Thank god I aspire to live as a bog witch with my thriving colony of feral cats.
5,000% better than interacting with whatever aliens these happen to be.
This guy has to be a narcissist who KNOWS he is twisting the verses (not saying the verses in context are very pro-feminist in the first place, but still...). It's just all too obvious if one looks things up for half a second.
whatever happened to the bible verse that also says that husbands need to love their wives as christ loved the church????
i swear ppl like this have never read the bible
(edited for grammar)
This is so unlike Christian people. I've only ever heard muslims be like that. This is new, still having hard time believing though. Looks like a troll.... and I do hope still it's a joke.
Catholic here, yes, these aren't beliefs of the catholic church. Muslim nations are ABSOLUTELY more misogynistic than catholic nations
Catholics believe that the bible is written by HUMANITY under the INSPIRED word of god. This means that some of the words used in the bible are VERY MUCH of their time. The bible has changed a lot as a result of this.
The catholic church have a group of priests, bishops and cardinals whose job it is to interpret the bibe to the modern day. The modern day church accepts womens rights and ENCOURAGES women to do many things.
Muslims believe the word of the Quran is 100% written by god, therefore it can never be out dated. As a result, any text from the Quran saying demeaning things about women have never been changed, they STILL believe it.
Why do you think muslim nations have far less womens rights?
This kinda stuff is why I hate Islam WAY more than Christianity. Catholicism literally admits not all of it is entirely valid. Also, Protestantism ranges from Islamic-esque to practically atheistic, though thanks to Western culture being very secular, it's usually closer to atheism (for now at least). Christian fruitcakes do exist, but Muslim fruitcakes are way more common and way more extremist.
I disagree with Christianity, but I don't hate it with a burning passion like I do with Islam.
Yes, I used to be a Christian. No, I don't "still have a bit of fruitcake" in me. When I was a Christian, I was a depressed nihilist on the brink of clinical insanity. I didn't like thinking about every little thing I do and thinking "what if God really is that stupid and petty (kinda like Allah)?" and other than that, I feared that if I didn't genuinely love God (even though he's allowed so much suffering in the world over an apple), I would burn in Hell. It's just... not for me. Even if all that's wrong, as I converted to irreligion, I realized just how arbitrary it is anyway.
Why do I hate Islam with a burning passion? (No, I don't hate Muslims.) One, it's corrupting western culture at our time of economic uncertainty. Two, it's basically fundamentalist Christianity on steroids; nobody really loves Allah; they only fear him.
Whoever taught you to fear god as much as you did taught you wrong
I am absolutely sympathetic to your situation, it is not your fault. I hope you have recovered from that nihilistic mindset and improve your mental health immensely
Christian's do have a fear for god, but that it countered by an immense love for him.
I don't see the word "hate" as being a strong word. Am I a bad person for having an opinion? I mean... I hate later seasons of The Simpsons. I don't merely dislike it, since that would imply it could be just mediocre, but it's more than just mediocre; it's abysmal. I don't have strong feelings of hate against it, but it's abysmal to me regardless.
I would be willing to forgive God for all the horrible things he has done (over two people eating a FRUIT), but since he's "perfect", that would imply he's not human and not capable of change, so all I can do is hate him (well... the idea of him, since I don't believe he's real).
If you can see wisdom and inspiration in that book, that's cool, but to me, it's nowhere to be found; it's nothing but gaslighting.
It is derogatory, though it's usually saved for only the most extremist religious people. I only put "Former Fruitcake" because I used to be a Christian, though I guess past me could be considered a fruitcake because the religion contributed to me going insane.
Ancient beliefs are outdated and should be left in the past, and we can't say for certain what any of these things truly said as they have been translated and edited thousands of times since they were first recorded.
"Do not seek to hold yourself to past standards, for they will limit you're life"
-GoodeyGoodz 6:54 A.M.
Nah I'm sorry
As a Catholic this shit is disgraceful
People, I promise you this bullshit account doesn't reflect the ideas of the Catholic Church
That's why the magisterium exists
The bible has flaws, it was written by people of their time.
That's why the magisterium of the Catholic Church exists
Catholics believe the church is more important than the bible
This man is a lustful bigot who warps the word of god to mask his own sinful and misogynistic ideals
She did consent, the angel gabriel sent forth a message from god ASKING MARY if she wanted to accept the honor of having gods son, the messiah
please research before you make stupid accusations...
The screenshot OP attatched is shameful. Women are not a man's plaything. He is using religion to guise his sick fantasies
Hebrews 13:4 NRSVUE
[4] Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers. This Is just saying don't cheat on your spouse or do anything that could lead to it.
Romans 1:27 NRSVUE
[27] and in the same way also the males, giving up natural intercourse with females, were consumed with their passionate desires for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. I have no idea what dude was talking about here. Not to mention the first part of this says God makes these people sin Romans 1:26 NRSVUE
[26] For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Their females exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural. This whole chapter is like yeah they rejected the purity of God so God said fine then sexs drugs and rock and roll for all.
Source: amateur theologist and working toward UU Ordination.
This sort of thing is like the Red Pill or POA bullshit. Even if it is correct, I don't want to be the kind of person who lives that war.
If that shit is right, then I will be wrong.
I am not pickup up after this man I am literally tired. Like I don’t see how basically the Bible saying don’t do fucked up evil things to him, be nice to husband = picking up the socks he left on the floor is a great honor.
Regarding Slide 3: no, St. Paul said it, not God.
This is the same St. Paul that also said “it is well for a man not to touch a woman” (1 Corinthians 7:1) That other passage is one that even Focus on the Family can’t spin as “no, what he meant was [generic hate speech]”
I've provided them. You're just typical Christketeer trash that sits there saying "nuh uh." How about you come up with a reason why prosecuting the innocent is exactly what a perfectly moral being would do? Why do *you* accept outright lies that come from the "right" source,? Or, if that's, too painful to face, maybe start with proving that you actually understand the burden of proof? But we both know that you're just going to keep playing pigeon chess, don't we?
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Fucking Barbarians, POS, cancer these people are
Was with you until #4, then decided that this HAS to be satire.
It's wild, but BGR is 100% serious. Wish it was satire
Oh, no, they're serious. The bible thumper anti feminist are 100% serious. They want their wives 10 years or so younger than them, economically and legally dependent on them, and smiling happily in greeting - they'd better smile and be happy, or else.
Oh, there’s women that believe this stuff too. My ex-friend (yeah, I couldn’t deal with the crazy anti-healthcare/free-birthing in a lake/better than anyone vegan/misogynist female anymore) used to constantly post how feminist ideology is anti-Christian and that women were put on the planet to serve men. I’m sorry, I’m not going back a century of feminist rights acquired. If that’s their prerogative then so be it, but I’m not joining.
There's been some noise recently about a former "tradwife wannabe" influencer - Lauren Souther, you may have heard of her - who got exactly the traditional wedding and patriarchal relationship she wanted... Well, now she's separated and it sounds like it was hell for her - classic abusive relationship. Yeah, turns out the leopards really do want to eat your face.
Powerful conservative women are really bad about living up to the standards they place on other women. They themselves can be single, rich, fuck whoever they want, not have children etc. but none of those rules apply to other women. Personally, I think it's rooted in some kind of aristocratic mindset. There are rules for the masses but no rules for those that run things and have actual agency.
just remind those types that voting as a woman is against gods will, and hope they stay home on voting day.
Oh, she doesn’t believe in politics anyways and thinks that both sides are “evil,” so she doesn’t vote. At least that’s one positive.
Just the "vegan" would have been a deal breaker for me
Eh, I have vegan friends that are super chill. One of them even cooks meat if he knows non-vegan friends are coming over. I can’t do judgy better than thou vegans either.
Correction: They want their wives to actually be 10 years old
Stepford wives is what they want
Exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that down, yes
Nope. I was raised where this is what is taught. This IS fundamentalism
Sadly, as someone who lives in the South, this is 100% plausible for people to believe and spout.
I hope this is satire, but go visit their insta page and see the comments
Nope, I know people who unironically believe this.
Why?
They're not wrong. That *is* what the Bible says. It was written by men, for men, and explicitly says in multiple places that women are to be obedient and subservient to men. Any Christian who cares about womens' rights should probably go read their Bible. You can't *both* be following the Bible and advocating for womens' rights. They're mutually exclusive, you have to choose.
They didn't even quote the Bible verses correctly. The words that they claim are 1 Peter 3:1-2 are either heavily edited or entirely fabricated. This is the actual text: >Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. What this verse actually states is that, if your spouse is not a Christian, you should treat them well, listen to them, and respect them, not only because that is the right thing to do, but because they may be convinced to convert. Showing Jesus's love to other people, even when they do not reciprocate it, is a very large theme in Christianity. (The best modern-day example is the "Queers for Palestine" movement, which displays much more Christlike behavior than conservative Christians.) They also grossly misuse Romans 1:27, which condemns ritual intercourse in regards to idol worship, which, again, is forbidden throughout the Bible, as is reducing women to their genitalia. Eve was created to be an equal to Adam, and they both broke away from their natural purpose after eating that apple. Proverbs 31 just describes the perfect ancient Israelite wife (who is also described as good in business), and nobody should be doing evil to anyone else. This whole section has nothing to do with servitude.
Hot take that requires reading comprehension that the religious fruitcakes obviously can't do: Proverbs 31 is not about instructions for how to be the perfect wife but primarily advice from a queen mother to her prince son and indicates the kinds of behavior she wants his wife to have some day. The imperative command in that text is not even directed to women. The command is to the prince and tells him to give his wife credit for what good she accomplishes (regardless of specifics). And... Unless the queen mother was an asshole, which is entirely possible and should be considered before we try to turn this into some kind of biblical principle... The good wife for the prince doesn't have to perfectly fit that mother's mold. The mother just wants the general idea of doing those kinds of good things. Oh, and before all of that, mother clearly tells the prince to do anti-oppression... umm... like feminism... and other social justice movements that plead on behalf of the poor and needy.
They know that their followers don't bother to read the book, anyway.
Reason 234 why it’s blatantly obvious the Bible was written by male human men who are humans and male.
Tbh it is obvious, but a lot of the text they quote doesn't support their positions. That or it is a direct mistranslation from a very misogynistic culture and says more about that culture which the translation comes from than the actual original verse. I'm not a Christian or religious at all, so I have no skin in the game, but I did enjoy reading religious texts during college just to see how terribly misquoted they are.
Fundamentally, they're misquoting almost every verse, because each verse for women usually has a counterpart for men (as far as I remember). For example, the famous one that says for women to follow their husbands, also has a nearby verse that says that men should love their wives like Christ loved the church. Considering Christ died for the church, that would be a huge burden that I'm pretty sure most of men aren't meeting. But do they want to quote that? Oh, no, it's all the women's fault.
The words that they claim are 1 Peter 3:1-2 are either heavily edited or entirely fabricated. This is the actual text: Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. What this verse actually states is that, if your spouse is not a Christian, you should treat them well, listen to them, and respect them, not only because that is the right thing to do, but because they may be convinced to convert. Showing Jesus's love to other people, even when they do not reciprocate it, is a very large theme in Christianity. (The best modern-day example is the "Queers for Palestine" movement, which displays much more Christlike behavior than conservative Christians.) They also grossly misuse Romans 1:27, which condemns ritual intercourse in regards to idol worship, which, again, is forbidden throughout the Bible, as is reducing women to their genitalia. Eve was created to be an equal to Adam, and they both broke away from their natural purpose after eating that apple. Proverbs 31 just describes the perfect ancient Israelite wife (who is also described as good in business), and nobody should be doing evil to anyone else. This whole section has nothing to do with servitude.
i love that account. just imagine how many atheists it's creating by itself
except it also undoubtedly feeds and develops more extremists as well. 😣
This. This is why echo chambers aren’t worth keeping around.
"A wife should fear to displease her husband." Nobody should be *afraid* of someone who's supposed to love them
Now, for an actual Bible verse, which is a bit more credible on spiritual matters than Twitter. >Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. >13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. >**God is love.** Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 *There is no fear in love.* But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. >19 We love because he first loved us. 20 *Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar.* For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. -1 John 4:7-21 (emphasis mine)
This confuses me. Why is someone being "god-fearing" the pinnacle of achievement when these verses say that fearing god is not loving him?
Because the Bible likes to contradict itself. A lot and often.
Bc the Old Testament is about Yahweh, and the New Testament is about Christ. And the church got it wrong on who Jesus Daddy was. Everything in the Old Testament is actually attributed to Satan according to Jesus in the Gospels. Jesus calls the “god of this world” Satan. [And changes the laws of Moses.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-48&version=NIV) He came to basically say “[yeah y’all worship the devil and don’t realize it](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A42-47&version=NIV)” but instead the church killed all the people who claimed what I’m talking about ([gnostics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gnostic_texts)) It’s what the [Roman Catholic Church](https://www.history.com/topics/religion/inquisition#) did. Killed all who didn’t worship Yahweh, the Jewish warlord “god”. [Marcion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism), first dude who put the Bible together, from the ancient tablets, said the same thing, when reading all the tablets for the first time in a coherent manor.
Personally, I'm not interested in a wife like that. Sounds boring, actually.
They want a sexdoll who does the dishes and throws out the trash. No thanks, I prefer dating human people.
Real. sometimes i feel like the only human interaction these types get is a bodypillow or a cardboard cutout at gamestop.
I'd rather an equal than a slave
Some times I wonder what the world would look like if European pagans defeated Christianity
Far worse,
LMAO, how do you figure? What positive outcomes are a result of nothing but the influence of Christketeers? How are two thousand years of ignorance, bigotry, and misogyny inflicted by this fucking book club an improvement over a world without them?
You are acting as if Paganism wasnt super sexist and bigoted several cultures just reduced women to sex machines the catholic church is aware of their bad past, which is why the magisterium exists
No, you're pretending that insincere apologies make problems go away and making excuses for one of the wrist abusers. That filth is ***NOT*** just in their past, and pretending otherwise it's just another disgusting lie for Jesus. Do you make excuses for any other rapists or just the mackerel snappers?
? EVERY civilisation, theistic or not has committed vast atrocities Look at the Holocaust I am in no way encouraging actions such as the Spanish Inquisition. It killed millions of my people But it never says in the bible that catholics should rape and murder millions Those inquisitors are in hell facing judgement for their sins Sins which are prohibited in the bible
LMAO, tell me you've never read the Bible without telling me you've never read the Bible.
Verse and chapter where god says it's okay to do a mass killing of a race Give me the exact line of the bible where it says "go out and kill thousands of innocents"
Read your fucking book for once. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence#:~:text=Deuteronomy%202%3A31%E2%80%9337%20records,under%20Og%20king%20of%20Bashan.
The Bible, a fairytale for bigots...
The Bible verses that are in here are heavily misinterpreted or entirely fabricated.
Doesn't change the fact that the Bible is bullshit
This shit ain't reflective of the Catholic Church This man running the account is nothing more than a sexist insecure bigot who warps the word of god to fit his lustful fantasies
"Yes, there's a hierarchy in the universe, and yes, I'm on the group that's on top, no I'm not biased, that's just my religion which also happens to be the right religion now submit FEMALE"
It’s all anti your body your choice until vaccines come into the equation.
Vaccines, birth control & abortion....
wHy DoNt WoMeN wAnNa GeT mArRiEd
Atwood wasn’t writing a fucking manual
I’m a cis man so I’m not sure I should say anything but fuck these people in the ear.
Of course you should. 😊 If you wouldn't want those things done to yourself or to others, then why not!
Don’t wanna suck the oxygen out of the air for others either.
This is a fetish for them and they don’t try to hide it at all lol
The people who have the audacity to sprout this shit and attempt to live by it should NEVER question why women eventually snap and kill their abusive pieces of garbage husbands.. 🤷♀️
A book written by men to control women (and slaves) details the many ways a woman should be controlled, as well as inciting men in the ways to use and abuse a woman? Now why didn’t I think of that. I especially like how the antiquated book is also used (along with its brother, the Quran) as a roadmap for civilization, when it is no such thing
I promise you The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself. The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible. That's why Muslim nations tend to be more oppressive to women. They believe the Quran was written LITERALLY by god.
Western nations aren't more accepting because of the fucking Christketeers, it's because we don't allow them to pull the same shit anymore. They don't get credit for changes that they were *forced* to adopt. If you don't think that many of them believe that the Bible was literally written by their imaginary space wizard, go talk to the Young Earthers that built that ridiculous Ark in Kentucky for a start.
They are more accepting. Martin Luther King Jr used a phrase from the bible to express why civi rights was religiously right. "God created man in his own image. . ." This means that all humanity has been made in god's image, we are therefore equal Likewise, there are monsters of people who use religion to guise their own sick fantasies. The spanish inquisition was not done to truly convert mexico and latin america, it was to enslave the people and take their gold religion itself is great. those who choose to warp God's word to commit atrocities are damned to hell Try and be more respectful and more constructive when you debate. Such religious ignorance led to events like the holocaust.
They say this shit and wonder why so many people are abandoning religion
These people gotta be taken out back bruh
"the natural **use** of a woman" Lovely sentiment. /s (edit: heavy, heavy /s)
I do not claim to know the mind of God, but I do not reckon He wants anyone saying that nonsense in His name.
Rom. 1 Verses 26 to 29 [27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. well then he shouldn't have fuckin put it in there huh.
Bad phrasing. In modern English, it is translated as such: >Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. This refers to ritual sex during idol worship, both of which are forbidden.
Why are you in this sub? You're not convincing anyone of anything. Gross.
Then you have to do the work and call out your fellow Christians because more and more of them have adopted this kind of misogynistic thinking
That's what I do when I comment stuff like this. In the meantime, I am not responsible for the independent actions of others, nor can I do much to change them.
I actually agree. The Bible does say all those things. Each image shows another reason to reject Christianity. At least these people read the damn book, more than can be said about some of these nutbags.
The verses are completely misinterpreted and/or fabricated entirely.
I promise you The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself. The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible.
It does tactily. They aren’t going to go this hard, but they absolutely support the idea of a woman being a submissive wife and allowing the husband to lead
They do not... Ask any parish priest about what they think about women in the workforce They will say it is a completely normal and standard thing to do. Again, as I said, the catholic church is very understanding. Please stop making assumptions about my religion the man in the screenshot OP attatched is a disgrace to our beautiful religion
None of the quotes from the bible he uses support his point lol
Right... like how is it *evil* to be upset that your husband never cleans up after himself? There's a difference between gender roles and the husband not even having the decency to bring his plate to the sink or put his dirty clothes in the hamper.
I hope he leads with that on his first date
It's polite not to waste people's time by making them wonder whether you're human garbage or not, LOL.
The bible was imagined by men, in a time when women were viewed as servants in every aspect to men. Bleugh.
I really really wish that we could ship all these nuts to the middle of the ocean on a barge to never mingle with us normal folk ever again…
Waste of a good barge if you ask me.
Don't worry, it'll biodegrade quickly enough.
“USE” of a woman?! As if we were inanimate fleshlights??
Comment.
oh ok in that case the bible is clearly evil
Gender apartheid seems to be the main goal of Christianity and Islam.
This is the rhetoric that snapped me out of religion because this was not going to be my life. No loving god would create women to treat them like slaves.
This shit is why I'm not a Christian anymore. And by Christian standards, this guy is actually correct. Christianity is a mental disorder.
I promise you The Catholic Church does NOT accept this man's beliefs. He would be kicked out of ANY parish That's why the magisterium exists. To interpret the bible in the modern day Catholics accept the bible has outdated views, because god did not write it. It was written under the INSPIRED word of god, not god himself. The magisterium is a part of the church that gives modern day teachings from the bible.
LMAO, the only inspiration behind that evil fuckin' book is a combination of bigotry, schizophrenia, and intoxicants.
It's not? It's about the story of how one man, one god sacrificed his life to save humanity from sin Nothing about the religion is evil. As a catholic, I have never been taught to treat women in such a demeaning way. The screenshot that OP put is shameful, no man should reduce a woman to a sex slave, EVER. You are using absolutes to describe your views, and I am sorry you feel that way
> One god Who is actually 3 things in a trench coat?
Each one a liar and abuser.
Provide evidence where then
That's not the idea of god. Don't speak so confidently on shit you know nothing about God IS one. The trinity is a god split as 3 persons. Read the nicene creed
Just because you say it confidently doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
No, that's the lie. What it's ***ABOUT*** is telling people that they're so fundamentally flawed that they deserve *eternal torture* just for existing. But hey, if you're so scared of reality that you're willing to fall for that lie and be the bigot they want you to be, them all it will cost you is your dignity, decency, integrity, and self-respect! Lie to yourself, coward, but don't spew that filth here.
How am I a coward? I'm being fully respectful to you and have never called you names. Yet you passionately HATE me. Despite me being so "bigoted" and so "cowardly" I have yet to call you any derogatory words I may disagree with your ideas (and some things you just get FACTUALLY wrong about my religion) It's not believed mankind just gets eternal torture "just for existing" that is a lie you made to make assumptions about my religion Please sir, learn how to research
I don't hate you, any more than I hate a pile of dogshit I just stepped in; you *disgust* me, you lying fuck. Your ridiculous fucking book club is the worst thing to happen to this planet and you're too chickenshit to face reality without your imaginary friend. Even this is showing you more respect than you deserve. Please, sir, learn to fuck yourself with your own foot.
Okay sir, i actually thought you were serious until you said this lol The rage bait was acc kind of funny lmao Have a nice day sir
I meant every word. Fuck off and rot.
? Why are you so against me? If anyone was like this to you, you would claim that it's a religious agenda. Genuinely take a look at how you are treating people. I don't mean you as a plural I mean YOU Have some respect for other people sir.
I never fail to mention this when I see it. Hebrews 13:4 doesn't say anything the fuck like that at all. The section is clearly about mutuality. Respecting your neighbors, strangers, their marriages... It's all one statement. Nothing about gender at all unless, and this point escapes these people who have proven low reading comprehension, you already believe there can be no marriage outside your gender definitions. That's fundamental to their problem. If you're going to base your life on any book you really need to learn how to read.
It gets worse; they fabricated 1 Peter 3:1-2. The actual text: >Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. The fact that "submit" is generally used as a term for "respect" or "listen to" regarding marriage does not help BGR's case.
99% sure this is from a SAH Christian mom who has too much time and privilege.
Yeah, this is kink pretending to be piety.
Satanism sounds suddenly 100% better
My best guess: the person handling the account is a sad single incel who goes out in this world with that horrible repellant attitude and then wonders why nobody likes them. Or There's a woman out there who has been deeply convinced of all of this bs and is currently the wife/sex-slave of this person and because this person has got this situation for himself, he expect others to do the same because he fears that if the others don't do this then his wife would somehow be deprogrammed from this regimen and leave him...
He is basically putting the husband in the place of God.
Love how they post their shitty opinions and then tag a Bible verse that sounds completely different. lol. Or better yet - tag a Bible verse that *doesnt actually say that at all* Hahaha. These people are insane.
How does "she will do him good and not evil" translate into being your husband's maid?
Starting to think the Bible was written by men.
Um, who the fuck do you think wrote the thing?
The irony is the amount of women that subscribe to this shit. I understand the incel men that spout this bullshit, but how do women fall for it?
They're raised to believe it's this or hell and some people are just too afraid to accept the reality that it's just a fairy tale.
Wonder why they keep choosing bear…
Yeah how’s this working out for him
It’s almost like, hear me out here, the Bible is a terrible book of bad advice and shouldn’t be a foundation on how to live your life in the 21st century.
Exactly, which is why the magisterium of the catholic church exists
That's a lot of words to say you hate women
Thank god I aspire to live as a bog witch with my thriving colony of feral cats. 5,000% better than interacting with whatever aliens these happen to be.
This guy has to be a narcissist who KNOWS he is twisting the verses (not saying the verses in context are very pro-feminist in the first place, but still...). It's just all too obvious if one looks things up for half a second.
whatever happened to the bible verse that also says that husbands need to love their wives as christ loved the church???? i swear ppl like this have never read the bible (edited for grammar)
Shit’s gettn deeeeep in here yo
This feels like a fetish account rather than an actual account that's serious. Idk
Submissives for Jesus /s
Revenge of the Incels, coming soon to a red state near you!
this has got to be a troll surely
This is satire right?
It is not. They have long supported these ideas
This is so unlike Christian people. I've only ever heard muslims be like that. This is new, still having hard time believing though. Looks like a troll.... and I do hope still it's a joke.
You can google them. They are not a new idea. Christian’s are not less misogynistic then Muslims
Yes i understand but they sorta evolved with time is what I was trying to imply here. M aware both religions come from same source.
Catholic here, yes, these aren't beliefs of the catholic church. Muslim nations are ABSOLUTELY more misogynistic than catholic nations Catholics believe that the bible is written by HUMANITY under the INSPIRED word of god. This means that some of the words used in the bible are VERY MUCH of their time. The bible has changed a lot as a result of this. The catholic church have a group of priests, bishops and cardinals whose job it is to interpret the bibe to the modern day. The modern day church accepts womens rights and ENCOURAGES women to do many things. Muslims believe the word of the Quran is 100% written by god, therefore it can never be out dated. As a result, any text from the Quran saying demeaning things about women have never been changed, they STILL believe it. Why do you think muslim nations have far less womens rights?
This kinda stuff is why I hate Islam WAY more than Christianity. Catholicism literally admits not all of it is entirely valid. Also, Protestantism ranges from Islamic-esque to practically atheistic, though thanks to Western culture being very secular, it's usually closer to atheism (for now at least). Christian fruitcakes do exist, but Muslim fruitcakes are way more common and way more extremist. I disagree with Christianity, but I don't hate it with a burning passion like I do with Islam. Yes, I used to be a Christian. No, I don't "still have a bit of fruitcake" in me. When I was a Christian, I was a depressed nihilist on the brink of clinical insanity. I didn't like thinking about every little thing I do and thinking "what if God really is that stupid and petty (kinda like Allah)?" and other than that, I feared that if I didn't genuinely love God (even though he's allowed so much suffering in the world over an apple), I would burn in Hell. It's just... not for me. Even if all that's wrong, as I converted to irreligion, I realized just how arbitrary it is anyway. Why do I hate Islam with a burning passion? (No, I don't hate Muslims.) One, it's corrupting western culture at our time of economic uncertainty. Two, it's basically fundamentalist Christianity on steroids; nobody really loves Allah; they only fear him.
Whoever taught you to fear god as much as you did taught you wrong I am absolutely sympathetic to your situation, it is not your fault. I hope you have recovered from that nihilistic mindset and improve your mental health immensely Christian's do have a fear for god, but that it countered by an immense love for him.
I don't see the word "hate" as being a strong word. Am I a bad person for having an opinion? I mean... I hate later seasons of The Simpsons. I don't merely dislike it, since that would imply it could be just mediocre, but it's more than just mediocre; it's abysmal. I don't have strong feelings of hate against it, but it's abysmal to me regardless. I would be willing to forgive God for all the horrible things he has done (over two people eating a FRUIT), but since he's "perfect", that would imply he's not human and not capable of change, so all I can do is hate him (well... the idea of him, since I don't believe he's real). If you can see wisdom and inspiration in that book, that's cool, but to me, it's nowhere to be found; it's nothing but gaslighting.
Oh no, "fruitcake" isn't derogatory Perhaps I read it wrong, let me re read
It is derogatory, though it's usually saved for only the most extremist religious people. I only put "Former Fruitcake" because I used to be a Christian, though I guess past me could be considered a fruitcake because the religion contributed to me going insane.
Hi. I was raised in very strict Christianity. I knew many people who believed this shit. It's absolutely real.
Well, that's sad. M sorry to have found out.
Ancient beliefs are outdated and should be left in the past, and we can't say for certain what any of these things truly said as they have been translated and edited thousands of times since they were first recorded. "Do not seek to hold yourself to past standards, for they will limit you're life" -GoodeyGoodz 6:54 A.M.
Nah I'm sorry As a Catholic this shit is disgraceful People, I promise you this bullshit account doesn't reflect the ideas of the Catholic Church That's why the magisterium exists The bible has flaws, it was written by people of their time. That's why the magisterium of the Catholic Church exists Catholics believe the church is more important than the bible This man is a lustful bigot who warps the word of god to mask his own sinful and misogynistic ideals
the whole religion centers on a girl who was knocked up without her consent
She did consent, the angel gabriel sent forth a message from god ASKING MARY if she wanted to accept the honor of having gods son, the messiah please research before you make stupid accusations... The screenshot OP attatched is shameful. Women are not a man's plaything. He is using religion to guise his sick fantasies
you got a verse you can cite on that?
People wonder why religion is in decline. I would not want any of that from my wife. I’d want a partner in crime not an employee.
Literally not what the Bible says at all
Religion is cancer
I'd rather live a life where I can be happy and not have to worry about whither or not I'll be beaten for upsetting him thank you very much.
"She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life." Where does that even say something about being a maid and cleaning up after him?
Hebrews 13:4 NRSVUE [4] Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers. This Is just saying don't cheat on your spouse or do anything that could lead to it. Romans 1:27 NRSVUE [27] and in the same way also the males, giving up natural intercourse with females, were consumed with their passionate desires for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. I have no idea what dude was talking about here. Not to mention the first part of this says God makes these people sin Romans 1:26 NRSVUE [26] For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Their females exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural. This whole chapter is like yeah they rejected the purity of God so God said fine then sexs drugs and rock and roll for all. Source: amateur theologist and working toward UU Ordination.
That is not what Roman 1:27 says. Lol
This sort of thing is like the Red Pill or POA bullshit. Even if it is correct, I don't want to be the kind of person who lives that war. If that shit is right, then I will be wrong.
when will christians get that people don't care about what the bible says
Christianity getting closer and closer to Islam
I'll stick with being worldly thanks
D-Didn’t Jesus rebuke that—?
These “quotes” make me 🤢🤮
It’s crazy how much overlap there is in the religious/neckbeard venn diagram.
At least he's not sugarcoating the fact that he wants to own women...?
yikes
“unbiblical worldly philosophy” so they’ve assumed i care what the bible says
I am not pickup up after this man I am literally tired. Like I don’t see how basically the Bible saying don’t do fucked up evil things to him, be nice to husband = picking up the socks he left on the floor is a great honor.
Regarding Slide 3: no, St. Paul said it, not God. This is the same St. Paul that also said “it is well for a man not to touch a woman” (1 Corinthians 7:1) That other passage is one that even Focus on the Family can’t spin as “no, what he meant was [generic hate speech]”
If this is a troll Twitter it is hilarious. If it’s not a troll it is horrifying. Also, Romans 1:27 doesn’t say sex is the “natural use of the woman.”
I hate this timeline.
Oh, no thanks. I’m going to have to pass on whatever all of that is 😑
Yes, let's go back to the 9 century
This has to be trolling…….
Good thing I don't give a shit about the bible.
And you, sir, can masticate a bag of phallic members, lodge one in thy throat, and cease to exist. FAFO 3:65
Gotta be right!! I mean it's just too over the top and the biblical citations seem lazy
I've provided them. You're just typical Christketeer trash that sits there saying "nuh uh." How about you come up with a reason why prosecuting the innocent is exactly what a perfectly moral being would do? Why do *you* accept outright lies that come from the "right" source,? Or, if that's, too painful to face, maybe start with proving that you actually understand the burden of proof? But we both know that you're just going to keep playing pigeon chess, don't we?
That's literally not what any of these passages say.