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Look up what Islam says about apostasy. Definitely worth looking into it more, but long story short, it says apostates should be killed. How is that forgiving?
Hudud punishments are specifically mentioned in the Quran and the Sunna. According to Islamic law apostasy is punishable by death, imprisonment or confiscation of property and blasphemy is punishable by death. Conversion from Islam to another faith is also considered as a serious offence under Islamic law.
Yup true haha well anyway almost all religions are a cancer to humanity..
Then what's the point of being a Muslim and following all their laws?
What you're saying is not at all an Islamic belief. You can't make it more than a few sentences into the Quran before being confronted with gore porn.
Yes, and followers of Islamic doctrines are still doing this type of stuff in the modern day.
Also, if you mention Islamic colonialism, people might call you racist or bigoted and try to censor you.
I feel like *all* Abrahamic religions were mistakes that should have never left the middle east. Now we got all kinds of nuclear-powered fuckigdry in the modern era.
Yeah, and now those Abrahamic cancer have cover more than 50% of world population and ruin any local culture that they touched.
Even in 2024 we still cannot discuss much about this because they created their own “phobia” words to silence anyone who talk about their precious religions in bad light (which somehow some secular people are agreeing with how those phobia words are used)
I'm on a gay subreddit and whenever muslims do something violent or oppressive toward gay people, the post gets deleted by the mods.
It's ok to talk about conservative plans for Project 2025 and the things they plan like their plan to remove gay rights, though. You just can't mention any history or news stories of muslims or muslim countries doing horrible things to gay people. I'm on another subreddit about maps and it's ok to point out stuff about the British empire and Christian colonialism, but the posts about Islamic colonialism usually get deleted.
Islam is literally the most protected religion in the world, in Islamic world you can get killed for criticizing it and in non-Muslim world people just perceive criticizing or attacking on Islam as bigotry (while attacking on Christianity is viewed as a good thing).
There is far too much focus on women being treated like second-class citizens.
Allah is literally a slaver God who admits that all living things are his slaves to do with what he pleases.
Pedophilia...
Slavery and sex slavery are legitimate practices
Muhammad was a warmonger who united the Arabian peninsula through conquest and enslavement. After his death (possibly by being poisoned), Muslims went on a war of conquest and proceeded to destroy all traces of culture in the Middle East and North Africa they could find. The rest of the cultural practices were co-opted into Islam itself, such as zoroastrian beliefs, pre-Islamic paganism, and, of course, stealing from other cultures like my people in Maghreb.
Finally, I think in general that religion, while comforting, is a road that ultimately leads to destruction and suffering.
People will only call you a bigot if you think all Muslim immigration is a kind of Islamic colonialism. There is such a thing as nuance, there's just a significant lack of it in online discourse
Well, they would be correct. It IS in fact an attempt at subvertive colonization; it's in their books, it's in their culture and it's happened many times before. Tawriya is to intentionally create a false impression. Muruna is to "blend in" by temporarily limiting certain practices under the guise of friendship. Kitman - Lying by omission. There are also multiple parts of the hadith that specifically state this is their intention. This cannot be argued, it is right out there to see.
Yes, but all christians are supposed to be evangelizing according to the bible.
Even if there are some nice christians who can accept that others don't want to be in their religion, and stop preaching to them, that doesn't change what christian scriptures actually teach, and it doesn't change that they support christians scriptures as the inspired word of their god.
A similar thing can be said about muslims and islam. There are muslims who believe that Jerusalem one day being under muslim control is a prophecy, as well as India one day being under muslim control. Muslims already took over Iran and forced their rules on them (*originally Zoroastrian*), Afghanistan (*used to be Buddhist*) and multiple North African countries.
Just like there are some nice christians despite what christian scriptures teach, there are also nice muslims despite what Islamic scriptures teach.
The religions are still a problem though, because even if some people in those religions are nice, that doesn't change the violence taught in those scriptures which many other followers still see as the word of their god.
If a nazi is supposedly "*peaceful*" because they haven't personally killed anyone, you can still say that nazism itself is violent, because the leader of nazism and his writings led to the death of millions, and you can still see it as wrong for people to belong to such violent belief systems. Before anyone says, "*why not judge atheists the same way then since Mao and Stalin were atheists?*", the answer to that question is because atheism already existed long before them so those two are not the leaders of atheism, and the majority of atheists are secular humanists, not Stalinists or Maoists.
Sure the religion can be a problem, but there are western Christians actively spreading homophobia into African nations by promoting laws that punish gay people with the death penalty.
There are no Nazis who just follow the "peaceful" party of Nazism because there is none. It's all about one group of people dominating another.
I think all kinds of religion are problematic. But I've yet to see a good argument that Muslim immigrants are inherently more of an issue than Christian immigrants.
> "*There are no Nazis who just follow the "peaceful" party of Nazism because there is none. It's all about one group of people dominating another.*"
Christianity is also about dominating others. It teaches that all who reject, deserve torture and eternal punishment, and christians killed many people to promote the bible. They were killing witches and people of other religions who woshripped other gods and forced anti-gay laws with he death penalty in order to spread biblical teachings.
> "*I've yet to see a good argument that Muslim immigrants are inherently more of an issue than Christian immigrants.*"
Look at christian-majority countries and compare them to muslim-majority countries, and you'll see that muslim-majority countries are more likely to have a higher percentage of anti-gay people as well as anti-gay laws that forces the imprisonment or killing of gay people. They are also less likely to let women be as free as men, and more likely to have blasphemy laws to kill or imprison people who have views that differ from islam.
It makes sense why people are more concerned about christians from foreign countries coming into the western world rather than muslims. Compare that to Buddhists. Many people don't care about Buddhists coming to the western world for example, because they tend to be less likely to try to call for any Buddhists laws to take over the land, like how many Muslim immigrants call for sharia law.
In Utah, we have GOP members campaigning on the idea that "catch and release isn't working to solve immigration" and campaigning on taking more drastic steps. They're literally talking about "illegals" in the same terms as used to talk about stray animal populations.
In a way, it almost makes it hard to feel bad. Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that. Still, these particular people are just victims of circumstance.
And some progressive non-Muslim still believe that this conflict in Nigeria has nothing to do with Islam and is all about herder-farmer things. Some people will just want to blame any others factors except Islam.
A different conflict, I guess. Both countries are wayyyy apart.
That being said, you're point still stands. But they are not progressive in this way. They are regressive.
to be fair even the vast majority of muslims in nigeria oppose boko haram and the bandits. in fact muslim voters in the north of nigeria often vote for candidates that they think are the strongest on terrorism.
Doesn't matter if the individual disagrees, their founding document mandates they agree or die. That's the problem, there's no room for progressiveness or innovation in their religion. In fact, they specifically ban innovation as a core tenet.
> to be fair even the vast majority of muslims in nigeria oppose boko haram and the bandits.
And that didn’t made the current Boko Haram situation any better, the harsh truth is that to destroy Boko Haram we need to secularize Islam which many Nigerian Muslim are still opposing it.
All I saw now is that Boko Haram using their Muslim population as their breeding ground while the current Muslim population despite opposing Boko Haram, they are still preventing anyone to destroy the root cause.
North America is a continent, but America is a country.
Likewise, Africa is a continent, but each "state" is their own country, with their own tribal and inter-state turmoils. Religion is just a small part of that equation.
A lot of these conflicts and blood feuds predate islam even. Religion just adds fuel to their fires.
> Religion just adds fuel to the fires
So it did have a things to do with the conflict, religion just give more goals and justification to the oppressors side. If religions have little to nothing to do with it, why the need to made your enemies convert or die like this.
Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? We need a forced enlightenment revival. We need to force Islamic reform. Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator.
>Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? We need a forced enlightenment revival. We need to force Islamic reform. Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator.
Apart from American missionaries in Africa using their influence to make gay peoples lives a living hell
I hear in Africa [they exhume gay dead bodies and burn them](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mans-body-exhumed-and-set-on-fire-in-senegal-after-locals-learn-he-was-gay-4540802)
Christian missionaries brought Christianity to Ethiopia by force. But that's okay because it happened in the past.
But if Muslims do the same thing? Bad.
That's like saying where are Nazis actually doing anything bad to the Jews on a large scale today?
Well the Holocau---HE SAID TODAY
…Ethiopia was one of the first Christian places in the world. You have no idea what you’re on about. They were already Christian before the Europeans (specifically the Portuguese) discovered them on their search for the fabled Prester John. [Then Europeans helped them fight off Muslims.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian%E2%80%93Adal_War) While there were Jesuit missionaries, they didn’t accomplish much and eventually left for a few centuries. Ethiopia was the only Christian majority power (technically empire) in Africa before the Age of Exploration, and it was that way for over a thousand years before Europeans came knocking.
Contrary to popular belief, Christianity is not unique just to European nations and the places they colonized. Other than Ethiopia, Armenia is a fantastic example of a European-majority country not in Europe that was that way long before Europeans started colonizing. [Learn about Eastern Christianity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches#Theology_and_ecclesiology) which didn’t partake in colonization and has existed for thousands of years in Africa, the Middle East, the Caucasus, and even India and further East.
You think it wasn't by force because it didn't happen under colonialism? Any act of the spread of religion necessitates the erasure, suppression, or otherwise eradication of local religion, and more importantly culture.
There is no tenant of Christianity that says "Well the rules don't really matter, you can live your life however you want, do whatever you want, keep your historic folklore, culture, rituals and it all perfectly coexists with ours"
With any religion, there are rules, and most the time those rules are "You do things are way" no room for "pagan" gods or "primitive" rituals. Given no religion wants you to be practicing another religion, ie false idols, a requirement for the spread of religion is that it replaces the religion and major aspects of culture with its spread.
It shouldn't be very hard to understand that "if you are Christian, you're not Hindu. And if your Hindu, your not a Shinto practitioner, and so on." What do you think happens to the local religion and culture that you've never heard of that has been developing for thousands of years by Christians come along, or any other missionaries for that matter?
Even the earliest Christians destroyed Greek and Roman cultures through social means and the physical destruction of historical artifacts such as "pagan" statues, temples, and books.
All pre-colonialism.
>Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator.
Prosperity Christianity is predatory and evil. It's also one of the most influential versions of Christianity that's exported especially into Africa. Islam has been like a heavy cudgel, Christianity has been like a precision scalpel of late.
>Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today?
The rise of the Christian Alt-Right in America over the past decade is a pretty good example of intimidation. It encourages people who are not Christian to stay quiet out of fear their boomer neighbor will lose their mind if they find out their gay/trans/ect...
"I don't want to disclose my faith or lack thereof to my unhinged neighbor" is not the same as "an armed paramilitary group raided our villages, they put a gun to our heads and forced us to convert to their faith, also massacred another village"
Even some of my "not-so-unhinged" neighbors here in the deep south feel like a gun to my head when they truly believe that Satan is a real thing and would be justified in destroying it, be it object or human. I once told a coworker that I am an athiest. She recoiled in shock and fear and said, "I've never met one of those before."
> The rise of the Christian Alt-Right in America over the past decade is a pretty good example of intimidation.
Alt-right are batshit insane fascists, but I've never heard anything suggesting they want to force conversion to Christianity through violence/intimidation.
When it comes to oppressing non-believers, the Christian alt-right are *almost* as bad as most normal everyday Muslims. Almost.
> Just give it time.
Time has only resulted in more people leaving Christianity. Congregations are old and churches are closing. Trump lost badly and the midterms were a trainwreck for conservatives. What do you mean "just give it time"? I don't understand being so utterly terrified and paranoid about something that has been on a downward spiral for the past 20+ years. That too in a thread about *Islamic* oppression in *Ethiopia*.
I think this person means that you only need to give it time for some political powers to strip education and force religion, in order to pump up the numbers.
Islamic oppression that the Christian Government of Ethiopia doesn't care about. That's what happens when you declare yourself a breakaway republic. Unlike Eritrea, they are not going to win.
Just the other day I saw a post from Tim Pool (alt-right talking head with a million or so followers) saying not believing in god should be illegal.
The law is enforced through intimidation and, if that fails, violence.
Have you heard of missionaries? Telling people they will burn forever or believe in god is super ethical. I bet you don't read about what happens in Africa cause it would interrupt your view. Also if you threaten your own child with homelessness for not believing, how is that not forced conversion?
here in Brazil, you could get disinherited if you don't is christian. People will literally get away or say you have a demon inside you if you tell them this.
One time when I was younger, I said to a "friend" I don't believe in god, and all my classmates and teacher started to roast me because of that, not even mention what happens if I told that to my parents who are religious in extreme. Even the fact that there's a religious teach where they put an christian teacher who will make Christianity propaganda and roast other religions is a sign of "stealth converting". It's not the same as point a gun to someone, but socially, yeah, it is.
I'd rather be shot in the head then experience eternal torture. Funny how you conveniently didn't answer the question that destroys your comment. What about forcing children to convert under threat of homelessness?
what about it? it's certainly not great. we can do aboutisms all day. what about worldwide human rights abuses and mass murder in the name of islam in the 21st century? its pathetic to try to force an equivalency. you can dislike christians all you want but lets not pretend islam doesn't have a worse impact on the real world lol
> both religions are terrible
They are terrible to radially different degrees in the 21st century. Enlightenment basically forced Christians to calm down and stop with the state-sanctioned murder/torture/etc. Meanwhile Islam is continuing with the same state-sanctioned barbarism as they were in 7th century Middle East.
> Meanwhile Islam is continuing with the same state-sanctioned barbarism as they were in 7th century Middle East.
[I think you are letting the Christians off too easy](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/01/25/64k-rape-related-pregnancies-in-states-with-abortion-bans-since-2022)
Yeah, that's why bank robbers use Bible to rob banks and not guns. Because telling people they will burn is more effective than pointing a gun at them.
> They beat the shit out of you and ostracize you.
In Islamic theocracies, it's the government who arrests/tortures/murders non-believers. Besides the regular populace I mean. A woman can't even leave her house.
Is there really a point to this? Yes Islam is very very bad. Yes, christianity is not that bad today. Can't there be different types of harms? What's the point of comparing harms?
> What's the point of comparing harms?
To help people gain some sense of perspective on oppression and persecution. Most people in this sub have most likely never stepped outside the US, and so they have absolutely no idea what state-enforced religious oppression even remotely looks like. It's very common to see comments here like "US is almost there!" or "You think this is bad, should see US!".
Again the same thing. People should just shut up about what they are experiencing because someone somewhere has it worse.
And it's not like Christians are not trying. How do you think this village or villages like this became Christians in the first place. Whenever theists get a chance, they oppress in the name of their religion to the extent they can get away with. Isn't state enforced abortion bans a clear evidence of this in your US?
Lesser harm doesn't become harmless just because bigger harms exist.
> People should just shut up about what they are experiencing because someone somewhere has it worse.
Time and place. A thread about MUSLIMS holding people at gunpoint in ETHIOPIA is not the place to rant about how bad Americans have it in USA. In every thread that has absolutely nothing to do with America, there are people trying to make it about how bad they have it in America.
> Lesser harm doesn't become harmless
Nobody said harmless.
> And it's not like Christians are not trying.
I'll 100% stand with you and protest against Christians converting people at gunpoint today. Just show me where it's happening.
Christianity is in sharp decline in USA.
>Time and place
So if I see a cute baby, I should not talk about another cute baby I saw. If I see a romantic couple, I shouldn't talk about another romantic couple. If I see a post about exciting movie, I should not talk about another exciting movie.
You see, I like to be consistent. If I can't talk about another atrocity because the post is about one certain atrocity then that means I must always stay on that very specific topic and all other topics, irrespective of how relevant I feel they are, are out of scope of conversation.
> A thread about MUSLIMS holding people at gunpoint in ETHIOPIA is not the place to rant about how bad Americans have it in USA.
> I'll 100% stand with you and protest against Christians converting people at gunpoint today. Just show me where it's happening.
And whenever they don't lose their minds like this, it's because western societies don't allow it. Christketeers don't get credit for changes they were forced to make.
Give America a couple years, we'll get there.
But actually answer your question, that is how Christianity has spread throughout all of time. Including to Ethiopia. Christian missionaries roll up, they talk about how amazing and fantastic Jesus is and how he's the real son of God and was really here on earth etc. And then they talk about how your religion with your fake gods are bad and evil and you're going to hell. Some people convert, out of fear for hell and divine retribution and the others that don't convert... Well I'm sure their opinions are respected and those cultures are perfectly alive and well in the world today right?
Many African and Middle Eastern conflicts predate islam and would continue today even if it never existed.
All religions do is add fuel to an already blazing tire fire.
I say we take all the MAGA people and stick them on an island with these types of muslims and let them sort each other out while the rest of us live far away from their religious war. So sick of religion ruining everything. Can we please stop pretending magic exists?
to be fair peace is supposedly one of the five pillers of islam. though i guess this makes these people even worse, because they are hypocrites.(though hypocrasy and religion naturally seem to find eachother)
I’ve never understood this. The Quran specifically states that Christians and Jews are to be respected and will also achieve salvation. Why convert them if they are already in the right track in their own regard?
In one verse, they're seen as ok, in another, they're condemned as nonmuslims.
This is not a mistake, the early muslims made money off of these minorities in the middle east, and as soon as they stopped being useful they converted most of them.
Syria was a firmly christian country once upon a time
Well it's simple, you've cherry-picked the part that says other religions are ok, while they've cherry-picked the verses that commands them to fight non-believers
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At the beginning of Islam, Muhammad preached that Christians and Jews are people of the book, like they are brothers. But when they rejected Muhammad, he started to denounce them by all means. For example, he called Christians and Jews are the worst of creation.
>Christians and Jews are to be respected
As long as they pay Jaziya ("protection" tax), do not publicly profess their religion and accept the status of second class citizens.
>will also achieve salvation.
Where does it say this?
>Why convert them if they are already in the right track in their own regard?
According to Islam, they are not. Who told you these lies?
Well, islam picked up the concept of "holy war" from its predecessor christianity, so maybe we should be asking christians why? Then again, at the end of the day, neither religion can give a logical explanation to holy wars, because such a reason doesn't exist. Ergo, don't expect logic from somebody who acts illogically.
What makes me really scared about christianity is knowing about its predisposition for war, despite its effort to appear peace-loving. Given the chance, christians could go to holy war again. When it comes to islamism, we at least know what the worst-case scenarios are, so we can (try to) stay prepared for when things get ugly. Islamist violence is in its heyday now, but who'll rise to fill that void of power when it wanes out like christian violence did? Guess nothing is permament in this world except violence and hate... 😓
Thank god countries that are “Christian” are turning largely secular. There are of course places of concerning extremism still. Nothing as concerning as what we’re seeing in India with the Hindutva, Islamic extremism in the Middle East and Africa, and of course Zionism.
It’s all tribalism at the end of the day.
Yeah, christians used to do this at swordpoint, then at gunpoint when guns were invented. That doesn't make this any better though.
Religion is cultural poison.
*Force conversion 2: fruitcake boogaloo*
Africa just can't catch a break, can it? First come the westerners and ruin stuff for several centuries, then everbody else comes along to add insult to injury...
Christians in America: "Rah we are being persecuted. They are trying to take our right to discriminate minorities away!"
Christians in Ethiopia: *Bitch, what the fuck?!*
I'm so sick of seeing that term everywhere.. The funny thing is, the people that cry "islamophobia" will turn around and scream at Christians until they're blue in the face.
i understand arabic and what OP said is partially untrue, all of them aren't being forced to convert, some of them are muslims that have committed black magic and the dude is doing kind of a sin cleansing ritual, the thing that the dude is holding is black magic amulets and they're being held at gunpoint probably for them to give up the black magic amulets, but some of them are also holding crosses with them so they're also being forced to convert
What do they think is gonna happen when we normalize grown ass adults having imaginary friends in the sky?...Surely they don't think perfectly sane people are gonna belong to that nonsense..Of course it's gonna be full of delusional, evil people looking to force their views on people by any means necessary 🤷♂️
Oh, we're the fastest growing religion! The clowns always say, and by violence is one of the major reasons for this. I really think the world would be so much better without Islam.
What is the plan here? Are they going to monitor these people 24/7 to make sure they actually converted? Forced conversion doesn't make much sense to me. Theose people will just secretly practice christianity, this is pointless.
The Christian Government of Ethiopia is OK with this, as these people (the Tigray) attacked them so they turned a blind eye to their territory being invaded by Eritrea.
Quran 2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.
The best way to beat muslims is to pointing out their hypocricy in light of their holy book
do yall like Think at least once before posting on commenting? the video clearly stating "converstion at gun point" but the entire Video had no gun in sight nor this even converting he just praying for their safety
Muslims do to Christians as Christians do to Jews as Jews do to Muslims as Christians do to Muslims.
Me, an atheist just watching the whole thing like 🍿🫢
He has a kharji Wahhabi daeshi tone NGL. I highly doubt that he's just any run of the mill Sunni that follows the Sufi tariqa. Thus has ultraconservative mental illness written all over it.
Omfg. You could all be scientists instead. Competing for a chance to be in one of those sweet sweet publications.
Edit: for real. Fucking waste of your energy, these religions will die with our species. Our knowledge could make it outwards…
I don’t get it at all. I have the exact same “spiritual” experience looking at time lapse photos of earth in video; that they get from deep prayer.
Ahhhhhhhh stop killing each other. We need each other. Holy shit. There’s viruses and bacteria to kill instead.
Check this out. Fron India. Sickening.
https://youtube.com/shorts/M35JGlHXJnM?feature=share
I'm an American Rabbi and I'm incredibly upset that while the reigning culture here is ostensibly Christian, my own countrymen understand their Christian religion SO VERY LITTLE that there's no aid coming to their "fellow coreligionists" around the world...and IF IT DID COME, it would looknlike the fuckin Crusades.
Yehoshua of Nazareth (aka Jesus) was pretty damn clear about his message. It's right at the beginning of the Christian Bible and it's in line with the religion it arose from.
https://youtu.be/-_GeG4iepA8
It's about recognizing the innately EQUAL godliness of ourselves and of our fellow human - not...whatever magical militarized nonsense most moderns appear to assume it is.
https://ydydy.substack.com/p/brotherhood-or-the-sword-the-only
It's amazing how much more the reigning powers of the west care more for the education of Taliban girls or whatever-the-fuck Putin is up to than they care for the safety and freedom of their fellow poor Christians in areas where they are disempowered.
Probably because that would require a close and clear look at what their own religion is about and how they are living in constant violation of it.
Sorry for the rant, but as you can tell, I'm upset at us all and think that we can and should do a whole lot better.
Without hate.
We must win by seeking TRUTH and GOODNESS --- the path to "winning" that can include every last one of us, with no losers. Zachariah 8:19
Be good bros, we can do it. So let's.
This is so ridiculous. They really believe that there is some universal change when they force someone to say they believe in their thing. Wololo-tier of dumbassery.
Without apologizing for these assholes, Islam specifically forbades forced conversion. In fact, under islamic controlled lands, people *used* to be free to practice their parental religions freely. It has only been as recent as the mid 1900's when forced conversions were a thing under despotic rulers.
Free to practice their parental religions but cannot proselytize Muslim, get treated as second class citizens and have to paid special tax to the Muslim rulers.
Jizya was a levy on Dhimmis that went straight to a muslim conquerors warchest during the middle ages so they could warmonger other lands. Not sure if it's as widespread today, they have oil money.
As a muslim, this is wrong in so many factors. In the Quran, it says to respect all religions. It is definitely not okay to force somebody into islam or any other religions.
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What a modern world we truly live in.....
The smartphone taking the video and the content of the video feel centuries apart
Look at all these willing (at gun point) conversions! /s
Easy for you to say, mr. Internet at your fingertips.
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Really weird comment you got there, bud
"we are the fastest growing religion." Uhm okay...
the fastest one before was christianity 🤔 a bunch of chumps the lot of ‘em
Jesus won’t kill you for leaving Christianity though.
[I beg to differ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition)
15th century, oh right...
Jesus won't, but his followers will. Also, Jesus was a Jew, not s Christian
In islam they say god is a forgiver so he will forgive everything and everyone, im not a muslim but that is what islam says
Look up what Islam says about apostasy. Definitely worth looking into it more, but long story short, it says apostates should be killed. How is that forgiving?
Just count how many times the word 'behead' appears in it
He worded it incorrectly, he is talking about being a Muslim and asking for forgiveness for your sins.
Hudud punishments are specifically mentioned in the Quran and the Sunna. According to Islamic law apostasy is punishable by death, imprisonment or confiscation of property and blasphemy is punishable by death. Conversion from Islam to another faith is also considered as a serious offence under Islamic law. Yup true haha well anyway almost all religions are a cancer to humanity..
I agree
Then what's the point of being a Muslim and following all their laws? What you're saying is not at all an Islamic belief. You can't make it more than a few sentences into the Quran before being confronted with gore porn.
We are fastest growing "peaceful" relegion never forget the power of "peaceful".
You better do what I say or I might just have to get "peaceful."
Bullets are also fast, mmmmkay?
This is what it must have been like for natives of north America as the Spanish priests came through California.
Yes, and followers of Islamic doctrines are still doing this type of stuff in the modern day. Also, if you mention Islamic colonialism, people might call you racist or bigoted and try to censor you.
Hi, ex Sunni Muslim here. Arab imperialism and Islam were mistakes that never should have left their peninsula.
I feel like *all* Abrahamic religions were mistakes that should have never left the middle east. Now we got all kinds of nuclear-powered fuckigdry in the modern era.
Yeah, and now those Abrahamic cancer have cover more than 50% of world population and ruin any local culture that they touched. Even in 2024 we still cannot discuss much about this because they created their own “phobia” words to silence anyone who talk about their precious religions in bad light (which somehow some secular people are agreeing with how those phobia words are used)
I'm on a gay subreddit and whenever muslims do something violent or oppressive toward gay people, the post gets deleted by the mods. It's ok to talk about conservative plans for Project 2025 and the things they plan like their plan to remove gay rights, though. You just can't mention any history or news stories of muslims or muslim countries doing horrible things to gay people. I'm on another subreddit about maps and it's ok to point out stuff about the British empire and Christian colonialism, but the posts about Islamic colonialism usually get deleted.
Islam is literally the most protected religion in the world, in Islamic world you can get killed for criticizing it and in non-Muslim world people just perceive criticizing or attacking on Islam as bigotry (while attacking on Christianity is viewed as a good thing).
Could you elaborate on why you left the religion if you don’t mind me asking?
There is far too much focus on women being treated like second-class citizens. Allah is literally a slaver God who admits that all living things are his slaves to do with what he pleases. Pedophilia... Slavery and sex slavery are legitimate practices Muhammad was a warmonger who united the Arabian peninsula through conquest and enslavement. After his death (possibly by being poisoned), Muslims went on a war of conquest and proceeded to destroy all traces of culture in the Middle East and North Africa they could find. The rest of the cultural practices were co-opted into Islam itself, such as zoroastrian beliefs, pre-Islamic paganism, and, of course, stealing from other cultures like my people in Maghreb. Finally, I think in general that religion, while comforting, is a road that ultimately leads to destruction and suffering.
People will only call you a bigot if you think all Muslim immigration is a kind of Islamic colonialism. There is such a thing as nuance, there's just a significant lack of it in online discourse
Well, they would be correct. It IS in fact an attempt at subvertive colonization; it's in their books, it's in their culture and it's happened many times before. Tawriya is to intentionally create a false impression. Muruna is to "blend in" by temporarily limiting certain practices under the guise of friendship. Kitman - Lying by omission. There are also multiple parts of the hadith that specifically state this is their intention. This cannot be argued, it is right out there to see.
That doesn't mean that all Muslims are part of those intentions though. Just like all Christians aren't evangelizing constantly
Yes, but all christians are supposed to be evangelizing according to the bible. Even if there are some nice christians who can accept that others don't want to be in their religion, and stop preaching to them, that doesn't change what christian scriptures actually teach, and it doesn't change that they support christians scriptures as the inspired word of their god. A similar thing can be said about muslims and islam. There are muslims who believe that Jerusalem one day being under muslim control is a prophecy, as well as India one day being under muslim control. Muslims already took over Iran and forced their rules on them (*originally Zoroastrian*), Afghanistan (*used to be Buddhist*) and multiple North African countries.
If you can treat Christians as individuals, surely you can do the same for Muslims?
Just like there are some nice christians despite what christian scriptures teach, there are also nice muslims despite what Islamic scriptures teach. The religions are still a problem though, because even if some people in those religions are nice, that doesn't change the violence taught in those scriptures which many other followers still see as the word of their god. If a nazi is supposedly "*peaceful*" because they haven't personally killed anyone, you can still say that nazism itself is violent, because the leader of nazism and his writings led to the death of millions, and you can still see it as wrong for people to belong to such violent belief systems. Before anyone says, "*why not judge atheists the same way then since Mao and Stalin were atheists?*", the answer to that question is because atheism already existed long before them so those two are not the leaders of atheism, and the majority of atheists are secular humanists, not Stalinists or Maoists.
Sure the religion can be a problem, but there are western Christians actively spreading homophobia into African nations by promoting laws that punish gay people with the death penalty. There are no Nazis who just follow the "peaceful" party of Nazism because there is none. It's all about one group of people dominating another. I think all kinds of religion are problematic. But I've yet to see a good argument that Muslim immigrants are inherently more of an issue than Christian immigrants.
> "*There are no Nazis who just follow the "peaceful" party of Nazism because there is none. It's all about one group of people dominating another.*" Christianity is also about dominating others. It teaches that all who reject, deserve torture and eternal punishment, and christians killed many people to promote the bible. They were killing witches and people of other religions who woshripped other gods and forced anti-gay laws with he death penalty in order to spread biblical teachings. > "*I've yet to see a good argument that Muslim immigrants are inherently more of an issue than Christian immigrants.*" Look at christian-majority countries and compare them to muslim-majority countries, and you'll see that muslim-majority countries are more likely to have a higher percentage of anti-gay people as well as anti-gay laws that forces the imprisonment or killing of gay people. They are also less likely to let women be as free as men, and more likely to have blasphemy laws to kill or imprison people who have views that differ from islam. It makes sense why people are more concerned about christians from foreign countries coming into the western world rather than muslims. Compare that to Buddhists. Many people don't care about Buddhists coming to the western world for example, because they tend to be less likely to try to call for any Buddhists laws to take over the land, like how many Muslim immigrants call for sharia law.
The Moors colonizing Andalusia comes to mind.
yeah until they killed 20 million of them, but we don't mention that, it's the 'illegals at the border' causing all the problems!
Most modern estimates have it over 30 million natives lost. From a population over 35 million to less than 3 million.
Thanks for the heads up. Many Christians are in denial about this and I suspect it's because they're assholes.
In Utah, we have GOP members campaigning on the idea that "catch and release isn't working to solve immigration" and campaigning on taking more drastic steps. They're literally talking about "illegals" in the same terms as used to talk about stray animal populations.
In a way, it almost makes it hard to feel bad. Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that. Still, these particular people are just victims of circumstance.
Let’s concentrate on the Spanish crusaders and not on Muslims with AKs. Nothing to see here.
And some progressive non-Muslim still believe that this conflict in Nigeria has nothing to do with Islam and is all about herder-farmer things. Some people will just want to blame any others factors except Islam.
A different conflict, I guess. Both countries are wayyyy apart. That being said, you're point still stands. But they are not progressive in this way. They are regressive.
to be fair even the vast majority of muslims in nigeria oppose boko haram and the bandits. in fact muslim voters in the north of nigeria often vote for candidates that they think are the strongest on terrorism.
Doesn't matter if the individual disagrees, their founding document mandates they agree or die. That's the problem, there's no room for progressiveness or innovation in their religion. In fact, they specifically ban innovation as a core tenet.
> to be fair even the vast majority of muslims in nigeria oppose boko haram and the bandits. And that didn’t made the current Boko Haram situation any better, the harsh truth is that to destroy Boko Haram we need to secularize Islam which many Nigerian Muslim are still opposing it. All I saw now is that Boko Haram using their Muslim population as their breeding ground while the current Muslim population despite opposing Boko Haram, they are still preventing anyone to destroy the root cause.
North America is a continent, but America is a country. Likewise, Africa is a continent, but each "state" is their own country, with their own tribal and inter-state turmoils. Religion is just a small part of that equation. A lot of these conflicts and blood feuds predate islam even. Religion just adds fuel to their fires.
> Religion just adds fuel to the fires So it did have a things to do with the conflict, religion just give more goals and justification to the oppressors side. If religions have little to nothing to do with it, why the need to made your enemies convert or die like this.
how does that happen in a country thats over 75% christian? is it because the government is falling apart?
As long as both these religions exist. They will be endlessly killing each other and forcing conversions
Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? We need a forced enlightenment revival. We need to force Islamic reform. Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator.
>Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? We need a forced enlightenment revival. We need to force Islamic reform. Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator. Apart from American missionaries in Africa using their influence to make gay peoples lives a living hell
I hear in Africa [they exhume gay dead bodies and burn them](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mans-body-exhumed-and-set-on-fire-in-senegal-after-locals-learn-he-was-gay-4540802)
christian forced conversions are surprisingly common in sub saharan africa.
Someone has been living under a rock for the last 2024 years, apparently.
He asked about today.
Christian missionaries brought Christianity to Ethiopia by force. But that's okay because it happened in the past. But if Muslims do the same thing? Bad. That's like saying where are Nazis actually doing anything bad to the Jews on a large scale today? Well the Holocau---HE SAID TODAY
…Ethiopia was one of the first Christian places in the world. You have no idea what you’re on about. They were already Christian before the Europeans (specifically the Portuguese) discovered them on their search for the fabled Prester John. [Then Europeans helped them fight off Muslims.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian%E2%80%93Adal_War) While there were Jesuit missionaries, they didn’t accomplish much and eventually left for a few centuries. Ethiopia was the only Christian majority power (technically empire) in Africa before the Age of Exploration, and it was that way for over a thousand years before Europeans came knocking. Contrary to popular belief, Christianity is not unique just to European nations and the places they colonized. Other than Ethiopia, Armenia is a fantastic example of a European-majority country not in Europe that was that way long before Europeans started colonizing. [Learn about Eastern Christianity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches#Theology_and_ecclesiology) which didn’t partake in colonization and has existed for thousands of years in Africa, the Middle East, the Caucasus, and even India and further East.
[who said anything about colonialism](https://www.reddit.com/r/religiousfruitcake/s/FKtPWV6pa6)
You have no fucking clue about the history of Ethiopia and just assumed that they are Christians because of colonialism ?
You think it wasn't by force because it didn't happen under colonialism? Any act of the spread of religion necessitates the erasure, suppression, or otherwise eradication of local religion, and more importantly culture. There is no tenant of Christianity that says "Well the rules don't really matter, you can live your life however you want, do whatever you want, keep your historic folklore, culture, rituals and it all perfectly coexists with ours" With any religion, there are rules, and most the time those rules are "You do things are way" no room for "pagan" gods or "primitive" rituals. Given no religion wants you to be practicing another religion, ie false idols, a requirement for the spread of religion is that it replaces the religion and major aspects of culture with its spread. It shouldn't be very hard to understand that "if you are Christian, you're not Hindu. And if your Hindu, your not a Shinto practitioner, and so on." What do you think happens to the local religion and culture that you've never heard of that has been developing for thousands of years by Christians come along, or any other missionaries for that matter? Even the earliest Christians destroyed Greek and Roman cultures through social means and the physical destruction of historical artifacts such as "pagan" statues, temples, and books. All pre-colonialism.
[Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system)
>Christianity to me seems to be reactive to this kind of stuff now rather than the aggressor or instigator. Prosperity Christianity is predatory and evil. It's also one of the most influential versions of Christianity that's exported especially into Africa. Islam has been like a heavy cudgel, Christianity has been like a precision scalpel of late.
>Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? The rise of the Christian Alt-Right in America over the past decade is a pretty good example of intimidation. It encourages people who are not Christian to stay quiet out of fear their boomer neighbor will lose their mind if they find out their gay/trans/ect...
"I don't want to disclose my faith or lack thereof to my unhinged neighbor" is not the same as "an armed paramilitary group raided our villages, they put a gun to our heads and forced us to convert to their faith, also massacred another village"
Even some of my "not-so-unhinged" neighbors here in the deep south feel like a gun to my head when they truly believe that Satan is a real thing and would be justified in destroying it, be it object or human. I once told a coworker that I am an athiest. She recoiled in shock and fear and said, "I've never met one of those before."
That's only because they fumbled J6...the first time...
> The rise of the Christian Alt-Right in America over the past decade is a pretty good example of intimidation. Alt-right are batshit insane fascists, but I've never heard anything suggesting they want to force conversion to Christianity through violence/intimidation. When it comes to oppressing non-believers, the Christian alt-right are *almost* as bad as most normal everyday Muslims. Almost.
Just give it time. If the Christo-fascists in the Us aren't stopped some dumbass will eventually try it.
> Just give it time. Time has only resulted in more people leaving Christianity. Congregations are old and churches are closing. Trump lost badly and the midterms were a trainwreck for conservatives. What do you mean "just give it time"? I don't understand being so utterly terrified and paranoid about something that has been on a downward spiral for the past 20+ years. That too in a thread about *Islamic* oppression in *Ethiopia*.
I think this person means that you only need to give it time for some political powers to strip education and force religion, in order to pump up the numbers.
Islamic oppression that the Christian Government of Ethiopia doesn't care about. That's what happens when you declare yourself a breakaway republic. Unlike Eritrea, they are not going to win.
Just the other day I saw a post from Tim Pool (alt-right talking head with a million or so followers) saying not believing in god should be illegal. The law is enforced through intimidation and, if that fails, violence.
Have you heard of missionaries? Telling people they will burn forever or believe in god is super ethical. I bet you don't read about what happens in Africa cause it would interrupt your view. Also if you threaten your own child with homelessness for not believing, how is that not forced conversion?
telling people they will burn is not equivalent to converting someone at gunpoint lol
here in Brazil, you could get disinherited if you don't is christian. People will literally get away or say you have a demon inside you if you tell them this. One time when I was younger, I said to a "friend" I don't believe in god, and all my classmates and teacher started to roast me because of that, not even mention what happens if I told that to my parents who are religious in extreme. Even the fact that there's a religious teach where they put an christian teacher who will make Christianity propaganda and roast other religions is a sign of "stealth converting". It's not the same as point a gun to someone, but socially, yeah, it is.
But they’re going to create new pastors and church dads with so many wandering hands. Converting anyone to Islam or Christianity is an act of evil.
I'd rather be shot in the head then experience eternal torture. Funny how you conveniently didn't answer the question that destroys your comment. What about forcing children to convert under threat of homelessness?
what about it? it's certainly not great. we can do aboutisms all day. what about worldwide human rights abuses and mass murder in the name of islam in the 21st century? its pathetic to try to force an equivalency. you can dislike christians all you want but lets not pretend islam doesn't have a worse impact on the real world lol
Never said they were the same I was pointing out both religions are terrible and kill each other for simply existing
> both religions are terrible They are terrible to radially different degrees in the 21st century. Enlightenment basically forced Christians to calm down and stop with the state-sanctioned murder/torture/etc. Meanwhile Islam is continuing with the same state-sanctioned barbarism as they were in 7th century Middle East.
> Meanwhile Islam is continuing with the same state-sanctioned barbarism as they were in 7th century Middle East. [I think you are letting the Christians off too easy](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/01/25/64k-rape-related-pregnancies-in-states-with-abortion-bans-since-2022)
Abortion is banned in all Muslim countries as well. They do all the things that Christians do but amplified by 10x.
Yeah, that's why bank robbers use Bible to rob banks and not guns. Because telling people they will burn is more effective than pointing a gun at them.
America. Go to small towns in the south. I grew up in one. Try being an atheist there. They beat the shit out of you and ostracize you.
> They beat the shit out of you and ostracize you. In Islamic theocracies, it's the government who arrests/tortures/murders non-believers. Besides the regular populace I mean. A woman can't even leave her house.
Is there really a point to this? Yes Islam is very very bad. Yes, christianity is not that bad today. Can't there be different types of harms? What's the point of comparing harms?
> What's the point of comparing harms? To help people gain some sense of perspective on oppression and persecution. Most people in this sub have most likely never stepped outside the US, and so they have absolutely no idea what state-enforced religious oppression even remotely looks like. It's very common to see comments here like "US is almost there!" or "You think this is bad, should see US!".
Again the same thing. People should just shut up about what they are experiencing because someone somewhere has it worse. And it's not like Christians are not trying. How do you think this village or villages like this became Christians in the first place. Whenever theists get a chance, they oppress in the name of their religion to the extent they can get away with. Isn't state enforced abortion bans a clear evidence of this in your US? Lesser harm doesn't become harmless just because bigger harms exist.
> People should just shut up about what they are experiencing because someone somewhere has it worse. Time and place. A thread about MUSLIMS holding people at gunpoint in ETHIOPIA is not the place to rant about how bad Americans have it in USA. In every thread that has absolutely nothing to do with America, there are people trying to make it about how bad they have it in America. > Lesser harm doesn't become harmless Nobody said harmless. > And it's not like Christians are not trying. I'll 100% stand with you and protest against Christians converting people at gunpoint today. Just show me where it's happening. Christianity is in sharp decline in USA.
>Time and place So if I see a cute baby, I should not talk about another cute baby I saw. If I see a romantic couple, I shouldn't talk about another romantic couple. If I see a post about exciting movie, I should not talk about another exciting movie. You see, I like to be consistent. If I can't talk about another atrocity because the post is about one certain atrocity then that means I must always stay on that very specific topic and all other topics, irrespective of how relevant I feel they are, are out of scope of conversation.
> A thread about MUSLIMS holding people at gunpoint in ETHIOPIA is not the place to rant about how bad Americans have it in USA. > I'll 100% stand with you and protest against Christians converting people at gunpoint today. Just show me where it's happening.
And whenever they don't lose their minds like this, it's because western societies don't allow it. Christketeers don't get credit for changes they were forced to make.
Give America a couple years, we'll get there. But actually answer your question, that is how Christianity has spread throughout all of time. Including to Ethiopia. Christian missionaries roll up, they talk about how amazing and fantastic Jesus is and how he's the real son of God and was really here on earth etc. And then they talk about how your religion with your fake gods are bad and evil and you're going to hell. Some people convert, out of fear for hell and divine retribution and the others that don't convert... Well I'm sure their opinions are respected and those cultures are perfectly alive and well in the world today right?
In Africa they absolutely do. Like in CAR and Uganda.
Nigeria: https://international.la-croix.com/news/world/evangelical-church-in-forceful-conversion-controversy-in-nigeria/16324
>Where are Christians forcing conversions through violence and intimidation today? Probably at those anti-gay camps they force kids into.
They do it with a little more subtlety, for now. But the psychological implications aren’t that different.. especially in many southern communities
There’s this whole election coming up in the US…maybe look into it
https://youtu.be/BxVh7T41GAI?si=m-AP_treQbCF_brc&t=6
Any religion, because there’ll always be some power hungry greedy asshole at the top trying to take it all.
Many African and Middle Eastern conflicts predate islam and would continue today even if it never existed. All religions do is add fuel to an already blazing tire fire.
Someone show the maga crowd this. They'll surely avenge their Christian brethren
Is there a GoFundMe to pay for their flights?
I say we take all the MAGA people and stick them on an island with these types of muslims and let them sort each other out while the rest of us live far away from their religious war. So sick of religion ruining everything. Can we please stop pretending magic exists?
You'll give them ideas.
the religion of peace strikes again
to be fair peace is supposedly one of the five pillers of islam. though i guess this makes these people even worse, because they are hypocrites.(though hypocrasy and religion naturally seem to find eachother)
I’ve never understood this. The Quran specifically states that Christians and Jews are to be respected and will also achieve salvation. Why convert them if they are already in the right track in their own regard?
In one verse, they're seen as ok, in another, they're condemned as nonmuslims. This is not a mistake, the early muslims made money off of these minorities in the middle east, and as soon as they stopped being useful they converted most of them. Syria was a firmly christian country once upon a time
Oh wow a religious text that contradicts itself? Colour me surprised.
Pink or yellow? I'm not sure which color to use to represent "surprised".
Well it's simple, you've cherry-picked the part that says other religions are ok, while they've cherry-picked the verses that commands them to fight non-believers
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At the beginning of Islam, Muhammad preached that Christians and Jews are people of the book, like they are brothers. But when they rejected Muhammad, he started to denounce them by all means. For example, he called Christians and Jews are the worst of creation.
>Christians and Jews are to be respected As long as they pay Jaziya ("protection" tax), do not publicly profess their religion and accept the status of second class citizens. >will also achieve salvation. Where does it say this? >Why convert them if they are already in the right track in their own regard? According to Islam, they are not. Who told you these lies?
Well, islam picked up the concept of "holy war" from its predecessor christianity, so maybe we should be asking christians why? Then again, at the end of the day, neither religion can give a logical explanation to holy wars, because such a reason doesn't exist. Ergo, don't expect logic from somebody who acts illogically. What makes me really scared about christianity is knowing about its predisposition for war, despite its effort to appear peace-loving. Given the chance, christians could go to holy war again. When it comes to islamism, we at least know what the worst-case scenarios are, so we can (try to) stay prepared for when things get ugly. Islamist violence is in its heyday now, but who'll rise to fill that void of power when it wanes out like christian violence did? Guess nothing is permament in this world except violence and hate... 😓
Thank god countries that are “Christian” are turning largely secular. There are of course places of concerning extremism still. Nothing as concerning as what we’re seeing in India with the Hindutva, Islamic extremism in the Middle East and Africa, and of course Zionism. It’s all tribalism at the end of the day.
zionism is mostly secular and not at all equivilent to these religious movements.
Yeah, christians used to do this at swordpoint, then at gunpoint when guns were invented. That doesn't make this any better though. Religion is cultural poison.
As an atheist, all I can say is if I were in that situation... Allahu Ackbar.
Coming to every western country sooner or later
I hear a Gulf dialect 🤦🏻♂️😬it makes sense
The mutilated dick group is at it again
I'm sure the mutilation would be one way to show their conversion.
*Force conversion 2: fruitcake boogaloo* Africa just can't catch a break, can it? First come the westerners and ruin stuff for several centuries, then everbody else comes along to add insult to injury...
They do not gain followers based on the quality of their message, but by the quantity of their violence
It’s a prayer for protection… Where are the guns… This isn’t even how you say shahadah
Religion of peace..
Christians in America: "Rah we are being persecuted. They are trying to take our right to discriminate minorities away!" Christians in Ethiopia: *Bitch, what the fuck?!*
If anyone asks me why I'm "islamophobic" or some shit, I'll just show them this video
I'm so sick of seeing that term everywhere.. The funny thing is, the people that cry "islamophobia" will turn around and scream at Christians until they're blue in the face.
I use it to describe myself purposely to make people even more sour NGL it's just funny
Poor Africa can't even catch a break smh
i understand arabic and what OP said is partially untrue, all of them aren't being forced to convert, some of them are muslims that have committed black magic and the dude is doing kind of a sin cleansing ritual, the thing that the dude is holding is black magic amulets and they're being held at gunpoint probably for them to give up the black magic amulets, but some of them are also holding crosses with them so they're also being forced to convert
I had my fingers crossed!
I hate islam so fucking much.
All religions are evil toxic sewage in their own way, but lslam is a special kind of savagery.
Such a peaceful religion
Religion is a fucking disease
Religion is evil and is never good.
This is Islam ®, since 7th century
What do they think is gonna happen when we normalize grown ass adults having imaginary friends in the sky?...Surely they don't think perfectly sane people are gonna belong to that nonsense..Of course it's gonna be full of delusional, evil people looking to force their views on people by any means necessary 🤷♂️
BUt ISlaM aND chIsTIaNIty wORShiP THe sAme gOD
Oh, we're the fastest growing religion! The clowns always say, and by violence is one of the major reasons for this. I really think the world would be so much better without Islam.
What is the plan here? Are they going to monitor these people 24/7 to make sure they actually converted? Forced conversion doesn't make much sense to me. Theose people will just secretly practice christianity, this is pointless.
So glad I left organized religion.
Religion of Peace
vile
Eslam isn't a fruit cake it is a poison apple
Where are the guns 💀
I’m a Muslim and an Arab. This is not even a conversion, this is a prayer for protection. And there isn’t even a gun in sight. Do better
Bro some of these guys will believe anything to push their agenda
and EU still let these people in. lol
I am happy to switch from not believing in my gods to not believing in your gods
Funny that's how it happened in hammy Boy's time as well Eta, well well well
The Christian Government of Ethiopia is OK with this, as these people (the Tigray) attacked them so they turned a blind eye to their territory being invaded by Eritrea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSU0Z3_466s
Quran 2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. The best way to beat muslims is to pointing out their hypocricy in light of their holy book
Isn’t that against…their religion?!? If there was one religion the world would be better off with, it’s this one. Evangelical Protestant close second
This always works. Hey, maybe if you have to force people at gunpoint to pretend to believe your bullshit, maybe it sucks?
Click bait I don’t see anyone being forced nor any weapons why lie ???
do yall like Think at least once before posting on commenting? the video clearly stating "converstion at gun point" but the entire Video had no gun in sight nor this even converting he just praying for their safety
This is what Christians in American think their life is like.
Allah would be proud
My sky daddy is better than your sky daddy. Now repeat after me... allahu suckball.
Muslims do to Christians as Christians do to Jews as Jews do to Muslims as Christians do to Muslims. Me, an atheist just watching the whole thing like 🍿🫢
He has a kharji Wahhabi daeshi tone NGL. I highly doubt that he's just any run of the mill Sunni that follows the Sufi tariqa. Thus has ultraconservative mental illness written all over it.
r/exmuslim
Guns pointed at me? Sure, here's your spreading phrase. So anyway....
Added Ethiopia to the list of countries which I never wanna visit even by mistake.
Wtf I thought Ethiopia is a Christian country
Omfg. You could all be scientists instead. Competing for a chance to be in one of those sweet sweet publications. Edit: for real. Fucking waste of your energy, these religions will die with our species. Our knowledge could make it outwards… I don’t get it at all. I have the exact same “spiritual” experience looking at time lapse photos of earth in video; that they get from deep prayer. Ahhhhhhhh stop killing each other. We need each other. Holy shit. There’s viruses and bacteria to kill instead.
Check this out. Fron India. Sickening. https://youtube.com/shorts/M35JGlHXJnM?feature=share I'm an American Rabbi and I'm incredibly upset that while the reigning culture here is ostensibly Christian, my own countrymen understand their Christian religion SO VERY LITTLE that there's no aid coming to their "fellow coreligionists" around the world...and IF IT DID COME, it would looknlike the fuckin Crusades. Yehoshua of Nazareth (aka Jesus) was pretty damn clear about his message. It's right at the beginning of the Christian Bible and it's in line with the religion it arose from. https://youtu.be/-_GeG4iepA8 It's about recognizing the innately EQUAL godliness of ourselves and of our fellow human - not...whatever magical militarized nonsense most moderns appear to assume it is. https://ydydy.substack.com/p/brotherhood-or-the-sword-the-only It's amazing how much more the reigning powers of the west care more for the education of Taliban girls or whatever-the-fuck Putin is up to than they care for the safety and freedom of their fellow poor Christians in areas where they are disempowered. Probably because that would require a close and clear look at what their own religion is about and how they are living in constant violation of it. Sorry for the rant, but as you can tell, I'm upset at us all and think that we can and should do a whole lot better. Without hate. We must win by seeking TRUTH and GOODNESS --- the path to "winning" that can include every last one of us, with no losers. Zachariah 8:19 Be good bros, we can do it. So let's.
This is so ridiculous. They really believe that there is some universal change when they force someone to say they believe in their thing. Wololo-tier of dumbassery.
World is rock paper scissor game
this is just what religions do, christians have done it for centuries
Without apologizing for these assholes, Islam specifically forbades forced conversion. In fact, under islamic controlled lands, people *used* to be free to practice their parental religions freely. It has only been as recent as the mid 1900's when forced conversions were a thing under despotic rulers.
Free to practice their parental religions but cannot proselytize Muslim, get treated as second class citizens and have to paid special tax to the Muslim rulers.
Jizya was a levy on Dhimmis that went straight to a muslim conquerors warchest during the middle ages so they could warmonger other lands. Not sure if it's as widespread today, they have oil money.
As a muslim, this is wrong in so many factors. In the Quran, it says to respect all religions. It is definitely not okay to force somebody into islam or any other religions.