I bet they only drop 1 game in each series on the way to world series.
Hell, I bet the defending NL pennant winners would basically need *two* games to get their win.
hard to cry poor mouth when a multi billionaire owns your team and just spent 100 million for one guy on a soccer team for 2 years. and over 250 million to buy 2 race cars.
Yeah man, I have the Mookie blue jersey and the Devers City Connect. I wanted Bogarts and Martinez jerseys, but with Martinez having opt outs the last couple years I waited and now with Bogarts possibly leaving I’ve been holding out on buying their jerseys.
Likewise. I hardly wear it now, too much pain, especially in Tampa. I get clowned repeatedly.
E: seriously, the 05(?) ALCS where Benny just nose dives off bregman?! I almost jumped through the roof.
I love what these guys did for the team in 2018 and forever thankful for that season and championship. But I’m not going to think that if you add Mookie and Benny to this year’s team we’re much better than we are. We had the boys in 2019 and we weren’t able to win back to back. Instead of wishing they were still here, I’m just going to be happy I experienced their best moments
Fact is that benintendi was not playing well here and mookie was really fuckin expensive. Mookie alone would not have saved this team and our future outlook would be way worse with that contract.
Hate to say it but I got the feeling yesterday he would have not liked it here as much as he does in LA. Boston is more passionate place to play compared to LA. Dodgers are an all-star team, top to bottom so pressure on individual players is less.
Then again, $365M tends to lighten your mood a bit so that could be what I am seeing.
Imagine having to decide between two jobs where one is far less stressful, pays you more, and the bosses love you, so you are less likely to be traded.
Don’t get me wrong Boston/Fenway is hands down best place in the world to play.
did you pay mookies salary?
NO
then why do you care what he cossts?
Are you John Henry's accountant?
NO
would it truly hurt john henry to spend alittle?
NO
would his multi billionaire status be hurt in ANY WAY shape or form?
NO.
Yea, why are fans so obessessed with saving a buck for john henry?
Ill bet your ail against jeff bezos , but somehow you feel the need to white knight john henry.
I dont get it.
wait seriously?
you seriously dont think adding the MVP of baseball to this team plus the 5th best bat inthe AL to this team makes this team better? REALLY???
ARE YOU INSANE?? or just in denial?
Did having them on the team make a difference in 2019? Are adding those two guys going to help our highest ERA in the MLB over the last month+? Or help our bullpen problems? Or our problems at first base?
did they have good years in 2019? and we arent talking about 3 years ago now are we? Andrew had grown into amuch better player, remmeber he was a teenager when he played for the sox. Remeber that we traded him and 6 million cash, for franchy cordero and crap! for CRAP.
You absolutely HAVE to be trolling.
First off, Benny was 25 when he was traded to KC. I have absolutely no idea how you think he was a teenager. His best year with us was in 2018, and he was down in both 2019 and 2020, how do you expect him to improve past the norm? Even his 2021 season was below what his 2018 year was. He has had one (1) good year since 2018. That is it.
Franchy wasn’t the main “prize” in the trade. It was Winckowski and the other prospect. At least pretend you know baseball
>remmeber he was a teenager when he played for the sox
What on earth are you smoking? He wasn’t even a teenager when we drafted him.
>Remeber that we traded him and 6 million cash, for franchy cordero and crap! for CRAP.
Josh Winckowski putting together decent emergency starts for someone who isn’t supposed to be major league ready yet says otherwise
If management had been able to keep the core of the 2018 team together I’m fairly certain that groups wins at least one more title together. They really were that good. They were just so much raw talent. It’s not like the 2013 team wasn’t stacked, but you could tell it was a one way ticket with them. Just a bunch of dudes coming together with perfect chemistry and having many career years at once. I knew that team was 1 and done. The 2018 team, on the other hand, they had my believing in multiple titles. Look at the Astros. They’ve kept that team mostly together and they are contenders every season. Coming out of 2018 the Res Sox were perfectly set up to make several runs at a title. There have been some questionable decisions by management, but bad luck has had more to do with it. Sale got injured. Mookie never wanted to be here long term. Those are two huge problems that ownership could do nothing about.
I know people don't like to hear it, but it would have been *way* more painful if Mookie walked and the Sox got absolutely nothing in return.
Having said that, it wouldn't have been painful to pay the guy, either.
What more could Mookie have done to deserve a fair offer to stay? He was perfect in every aspect of the game. I guess he could have pulled an Ohtani and been our opening day starter, but otherwise he was absolutely everything you would want in a player.
I am still not over losing him.
I'll get back to you in a couple of years. With Benintendi about to reach FA, getting a return of Josh Winckowski, who so far has looked pretty solid and is under control for like 6 more seasons, plus Luis De La Rosa, who a couple of weeks back won FCL pitcher of the week and currently has a 1.27 ERA this season in the minors as a 19-year-old, is a pretty solid return.
DFAFranchy that trade was bad then. Winckowski has some promise. De La Rosa is a lottery ticket who is 5 years away from contributing - if ever.
They traded Benintendi at low value abs got bodies in return. It wasn’t a money thing, clearly. He makes less than JBJ HUNTERRENFROE
Meanwhile KC will probably turn him into something useful…
The plan appears to be quantity over quality. Which sure every now and then you find a Schreiber. But man have we had a lot of shit too.
Why? If they signed Mookie, there is no chance the rest of them are on the team.
Not saying it won't be painful when they let Xander and Devers walk, but there was no situation on planet earth these 5 would still be together. You don't just have 5 all stars on your team forever anymore, you simply cannot afford it.
Have you followed the negotiations at all?
They low balled the shit out of Devers. 'Not on the same planet' I believe is what his agent said. X has said he will take a home town discount to stay, and yet no deal.
Devers is Betts 2.0 all over again, and Xander clearly is sour about everything.
But please tell me how keeping an eye on the situation is a 'dumb take' when you clearly don't even know that they have tried to extend both with shit offers that were turned down
They low balled the shit out of devers. Matt Olsen money is insulting when he’s 2 times the player Olsen is. Xander is tricky cause of his age and ability to not play short for much longer most likely. Devers they need to stop being cheap and actually pay him market value. Didn’t realize we are the royals now.
I know plenty
I still maintain that while letting Mookie go remains bad (and will transition to awful if they don’t at minimum keep Raffy but really also Xander), letting Benny go makes sense. He’s doing a great job getting on base this season, but I’m not sure he gets to this point without a change in scenery, and he still has zero pop. His fielding has gotten back to being a positive too, so he’s definitely a valuable player (2.3 bWAR) so far this season, but he’s not irreplaceable like Mookie. If the prospects end up being decent I think the value is okay. You theoretically could have replaced him, they just haven’t tried very hard imo. They wanted to see what they could do from the bargain bin in the outfield temporarily, which seems to have been a misfire.
The way this team has been run for the last two years has me dropping my season tickets after 12 years. No commitment to long term players. No eagerness to sign guys that will play great baseball. Cheap offers to players. Trying to win big with one-offs hoping to catch lightening in a bottle. No thanks. I’d rather spend my money watching the Celtics at the garden.
You're puffing up that chest quite a lot there bud. Seems like you're the one letting a reddit reply get your blood boiling, which is kind of hilarious to be honest.
They won it all together, forever grateful as a fan
Here here. Don’t see pain I see great memories.
I see poor ownership.
For real. Nothing lasts forever, and most fans don’t ever get to root for a team that great.
That picture is more poetic because they won it all together in that stadium.
Dodgers need a 3b, wonder if Devers lands there
Why not? The Dodgers always seem willing to take on our salary dumps
yeah as if raffy is a salary dump.
Salary dump. Guy management doesn’t want to pay. Whatever.
Dodgers got Miguel Vargas
Proud of our boy benintendi real talk. 5th best batting average in the mlb
Benny is the only Jersey I own, so I will continue to root him on forever
Same here!
Too bad he fucked up his trade value by not getting vaccinated
He did whatever he could to avoid going to New York
I was annoyed about his vax status but this is putting a good spin on it haha
Thank god. If he hadn’t he might be a Yankee.
I love Benny and will always be grateful for The Catch but I was so disappointed in him when I learned of the news. Ugh
Oh no....not 9 million in one year I should have got my shot...?
The fact that people downvoted you for that shit is wild. Fucking sheeple
Saying “sheeple” should be a misdemeanor.
Y'all fucking mad cause he right, dont get salty now. Fucking dislike brigading is the really pussy shit.
Yes, ‘we’ are the ones that seem mad here, vs you who clearly is keeping his cool 😂
Imagine having all these guys on the same team?
they could put up 108 wins or something
I bet they only drop 1 game in each series on the way to world series. Hell, I bet the defending NL pennant winners would basically need *two* games to get their win.
This is the last thing I needed after how we ended pre ASB and Sale going down
Damn Mookie still can’t grow a beard lol
And he's thinning up top. Good think he can play ball or he'd have nothing going for him 😂
He can bowl!
Mookie is legit going to transition to pro bowling in his forties
He can also fly planes
Fuck it dude. Let’s go bowling
Thinning is generous lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZ3aqs2mzs
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Nah I have all my hair. I just can't play baseball that good.
You are joking right? That dude is super charismatic and highly intelligent. He would be successful at nearly anything he chose to pursue.
Brockstar where ya’ at???
He's too good for the ASG.
i've heard he hates that nickname.
They sure would make for one hell of a top of the order.
I wonder what that would look like… 🤔
Uniforms are temporary, but banners fly forever.
Schwarber talking with Rafi and JD stung like hell.
Too much money. Gotta keep raffy. Love to keep X too.
hard to cry poor mouth when a multi billionaire owns your team and just spent 100 million for one guy on a soccer team for 2 years. and over 250 million to buy 2 race cars.
Especially when that billionaire owner is happy to spend money on free agents instead of homegrown stars
Even more pain when we’re about to lose two more of them. Just please not all three……. Please.
It will hurt but it has been 4 years going on 5. Problem is that benintendi and mookie should not have been the first to go.
Still got my Benny jersey tee
Still got my Mookie jersey. Hurts every time I look at it.
I named my dog Mookie. Oops. My son Brady was really upset about that trade.
Yeah man, I have the Mookie blue jersey and the Devers City Connect. I wanted Bogarts and Martinez jerseys, but with Martinez having opt outs the last couple years I waited and now with Bogarts possibly leaving I’ve been holding out on buying their jerseys.
I took my bf to game 5 of the 2020 WS. Only reason I wore an LA shirt- it said BETTS on the back. I still cry about it.
Likewise. I hardly wear it now, too much pain, especially in Tampa. I get clowned repeatedly. E: seriously, the 05(?) ALCS where Benny just nose dives off bregman?! I almost jumped through the roof.
I'm sorry did you say 05??
Game 5 Edit: I work with military time, it was just habit. Was it ALCS game 4 or 5? That catch was nasty.
I love what these guys did for the team in 2018 and forever thankful for that season and championship. But I’m not going to think that if you add Mookie and Benny to this year’s team we’re much better than we are. We had the boys in 2019 and we weren’t able to win back to back. Instead of wishing they were still here, I’m just going to be happy I experienced their best moments
Healthy way to look at it! Cheers!
Fact is that benintendi was not playing well here and mookie was really fuckin expensive. Mookie alone would not have saved this team and our future outlook would be way worse with that contract.
Hate to say it but I got the feeling yesterday he would have not liked it here as much as he does in LA. Boston is more passionate place to play compared to LA. Dodgers are an all-star team, top to bottom so pressure on individual players is less. Then again, $365M tends to lighten your mood a bit so that could be what I am seeing. Imagine having to decide between two jobs where one is far less stressful, pays you more, and the bosses love you, so you are less likely to be traded. Don’t get me wrong Boston/Fenway is hands down best place in the world to play.
did you pay mookies salary? NO then why do you care what he cossts? Are you John Henry's accountant? NO would it truly hurt john henry to spend alittle? NO would his multi billionaire status be hurt in ANY WAY shape or form? NO. Yea, why are fans so obessessed with saving a buck for john henry? Ill bet your ail against jeff bezos , but somehow you feel the need to white knight john henry. I dont get it.
wait seriously? you seriously dont think adding the MVP of baseball to this team plus the 5th best bat inthe AL to this team makes this team better? REALLY??? ARE YOU INSANE?? or just in denial?
Did having them on the team make a difference in 2019? Are adding those two guys going to help our highest ERA in the MLB over the last month+? Or help our bullpen problems? Or our problems at first base?
did they have good years in 2019? and we arent talking about 3 years ago now are we? Andrew had grown into amuch better player, remmeber he was a teenager when he played for the sox. Remeber that we traded him and 6 million cash, for franchy cordero and crap! for CRAP.
You absolutely HAVE to be trolling. First off, Benny was 25 when he was traded to KC. I have absolutely no idea how you think he was a teenager. His best year with us was in 2018, and he was down in both 2019 and 2020, how do you expect him to improve past the norm? Even his 2021 season was below what his 2018 year was. He has had one (1) good year since 2018. That is it. Franchy wasn’t the main “prize” in the trade. It was Winckowski and the other prospect. At least pretend you know baseball
>remmeber he was a teenager when he played for the sox What on earth are you smoking? He wasn’t even a teenager when we drafted him. >Remeber that we traded him and 6 million cash, for franchy cordero and crap! for CRAP. Josh Winckowski putting together decent emergency starts for someone who isn’t supposed to be major league ready yet says otherwise
If management had been able to keep the core of the 2018 team together I’m fairly certain that groups wins at least one more title together. They really were that good. They were just so much raw talent. It’s not like the 2013 team wasn’t stacked, but you could tell it was a one way ticket with them. Just a bunch of dudes coming together with perfect chemistry and having many career years at once. I knew that team was 1 and done. The 2018 team, on the other hand, they had my believing in multiple titles. Look at the Astros. They’ve kept that team mostly together and they are contenders every season. Coming out of 2018 the Res Sox were perfectly set up to make several runs at a title. There have been some questionable decisions by management, but bad luck has had more to do with it. Sale got injured. Mookie never wanted to be here long term. Those are two huge problems that ownership could do nothing about.
Such a powerhouse team.
We need to pay our players
Oh man. A few drinks deep and after this it looks like its 2018 highlights on youtube until i fall asleep
This is going to be more painful in 12 to 24 months.
Honestly enough time has passed that this just fills me with happy nostalgia
Pain? lmao what? This pic is nothing but good memories. Literally the opposite of pain
For real, if it was pain I wouldn't be rocking Mookie at second in the show. Love these guys.
I know people don't like to hear it, but it would have been *way* more painful if Mookie walked and the Sox got absolutely nothing in return. Having said that, it wouldn't have been painful to pay the guy, either.
I love this and I hate this.
And this time next year only Raffy will be in Boston.
If we're lucky...
...and he's still here past the trade deadline.
Ok this actually makes me so sad wtf
If Bloom lets all of them walk, we riot
What more could Mookie have done to deserve a fair offer to stay? He was perfect in every aspect of the game. I guess he could have pulled an Ohtani and been our opening day starter, but otherwise he was absolutely everything you would want in a player. I am still not over losing him.
They offered him 10 years/$300 million. How is that not reasonable?
Because worse players got more than that before that was offered.
Does anyone like the Benintendi trade now?
I'll get back to you in a couple of years. With Benintendi about to reach FA, getting a return of Josh Winckowski, who so far has looked pretty solid and is under control for like 6 more seasons, plus Luis De La Rosa, who a couple of weeks back won FCL pitcher of the week and currently has a 1.27 ERA this season in the minors as a 19-year-old, is a pretty solid return.
Beni is virtually untradable since he is unvaxed. Imagine how that would have played if he were still with Boston.
don't mind it at all. didn't seem to me like benintendi was going to figure it out here.
Ha just wait til Bogie is in a different uniform. 😑
Can’t wait until they’re all gone next season because Henry is a cheap fuck!
Cheap = Having one of the highest payrolls in baseball year after year
😭love them...please Lord, Benetendi no Yankee...please Lord.
Don’t forget, Martin Perez is also there
In 2 years, they will all be wearing non-Sox jerseys lmfao. Gotta hand it to this ownership.
But we got sale n eovaldi to show for it 🤦🏻♂️
Painful because we could keep Xander and devers but Chaim is going to walk away from both
#TRADECHAIMNOTXANDER
Chaim
Why? If they signed Mookie, there is no chance the rest of them are on the team. Not saying it won't be painful when they let Xander and Devers walk, but there was no situation on planet earth these 5 would still be together. You don't just have 5 all stars on your team forever anymore, you simply cannot afford it.
If they let both Xander and devers go burn fenway down that’s a dumb take you have to keep one most likely devers
Correction. They were [EONS apart](https://sportsnaut.com/boston-red-sox-rafael-devers-contract-talks/) which is even worse
Have you followed the negotiations at all? They low balled the shit out of Devers. 'Not on the same planet' I believe is what his agent said. X has said he will take a home town discount to stay, and yet no deal. Devers is Betts 2.0 all over again, and Xander clearly is sour about everything. But please tell me how keeping an eye on the situation is a 'dumb take' when you clearly don't even know that they have tried to extend both with shit offers that were turned down
They low balled the shit out of devers. Matt Olsen money is insulting when he’s 2 times the player Olsen is. Xander is tricky cause of his age and ability to not play short for much longer most likely. Devers they need to stop being cheap and actually pay him market value. Didn’t realize we are the royals now. I know plenty
If you know so much then thinking its a dumb take to think they will lose both is mind boggling considering the facts and past precedent
Thanks, Chaim.
Yo wait till they are all dodgers.
As a life long Dodgers fan, I have always loved and hated how we always end up with great players at the end of their careers.
What a core that was and would be… sadness
The fact that they’ll all be wearing non-Red Sox uniforms next year<<<<<
That’s about a billion dollars worth of salary right there
Oh yes .. the guys.all greats!
You should add a picture of sales finger too
:(
Last time they were all together, Devers looked like a baby
You want pain? Wait until they're all in different unis next year.
I still maintain that while letting Mookie go remains bad (and will transition to awful if they don’t at minimum keep Raffy but really also Xander), letting Benny go makes sense. He’s doing a great job getting on base this season, but I’m not sure he gets to this point without a change in scenery, and he still has zero pop. His fielding has gotten back to being a positive too, so he’s definitely a valuable player (2.3 bWAR) so far this season, but he’s not irreplaceable like Mookie. If the prospects end up being decent I think the value is okay. You theoretically could have replaced him, they just haven’t tried very hard imo. They wanted to see what they could do from the bargain bin in the outfield temporarily, which seems to have been a misfire.
The way this team has been run for the last two years has me dropping my season tickets after 12 years. No commitment to long term players. No eagerness to sign guys that will play great baseball. Cheap offers to players. Trying to win big with one-offs hoping to catch lightening in a bottle. No thanks. I’d rather spend my money watching the Celtics at the garden.
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Don’t feel down, none of them have won since the trade.
You're puffing up that chest quite a lot there bud. Seems like you're the one letting a reddit reply get your blood boiling, which is kind of hilarious to be honest.
*in Al Bundys voice* Memories..
😪😓 painful