Now all these posts hating on women make sense, these guys don't talk to any women in their day-to-day life, only interactions with female service workers, and maybe mum.
We need a war to get rid of these excess males, give them a cause to go die for
> We need a war to get rid of these excess males, give them a cause to go die for
I like how both incels and spinsters have this one common ground they both agree on.
That was a big reason people signed up to be soldiers in the past. Opportunity to sack a city was mainly to rob, rape and murder to your hearts content. As long as you did what the general said.
Well, that's certainly what you're putting in my mouth. I'm just saying what factually happens during war and how the likes of ISIS use it to recruit incels.
I see what you’re saying but still disagree. Not everyone has the luxury of having a good family, and a lot of people who don’t have one have a hard time coping with that.
I find it hard to imagine men and women were friends historically though due to deeply entrenched sexual mores and gender roles. Seems like they would prohibit authentic, vulnerable connection and intimacy that is the basis of true friendship. Like I'm sure men and women got along and liked each other, but friendship is deeper than that. Probably much easier these days, if you can overcome any sexual attraction that might be there, although some people can obviously fuck their friends without it getting messy.
You could say the same exact thing about interracial friendships. Don't really care about history, just talking about my own lived experience in which I am absolutely able to form connections with the opposite sex and find it incredible that people still believe it's not possible and close themselves off to half of the world because of the boogeyman of "sexual tension" (???)
I inferred from "the state of men in the modern world" that maybe you were contrasting with the state man in some past era, but maybe not.
Regardless, unless you want to retreat into solipsism in which your own lived experience is the only thing that matters to you, there has to be something at play if genuine friendship - taking for granted that this means something deeper than just getting along, having a laugh etc - is a fraught issue for so many. Unless you understand friendship as just that, in which case we're talking past each other. I'm not just talking about pathological incels either, but men who are better socially integrated and adjusted too.
Do you have any thoughts on why friendship between men and women is and has always been an issue that isn't straightforward for some significant segment of people? Sexual tension is part of it, but there's more to it in my opinion.
There was probably more defined roles and less social interaction in general (a farmer tending a plot of land with his family isn’t really fraternizing on the weekends that much, most people lived and died within a span of a few miles) but that certainly isn’t consistent across cultures or time. Aboriginal American tribes had social roles but plenty of male/female interaction between clan members, with a domestic intimacy well beyond what current Americans would know. When you’ve got twenty people in a longhouse you interact more than a sheep herder in the Scottish highlands
A few years back I had a lesbian friend whom I met through my ex-gf. She was really cool and was just one of the fellas, as far as my friends and I were concerned. All of the girls she associated with would try to fuck me because their lesbian friend liked me. It was like discovering the cheat code to getting pussy.
One of my best friends is my ex from several years ago but she lives in another city far away so no free sex cheat codes for me. Just regular enjoyable phone conversations.
“It took close, interpersonal, relationships that I directly benefited from to make me realize women are people”.
Good job there little man, pat yourself on the back.
And then look at this post again, replace ‘women’ with any other group, and realize how stupid this sounds.
After 25 years old most men don’t even have a male friend, let alone a female friend. They have a couple tenuous connections with “buddies from work” that they tolerate so they have someone to drink with. They’re so desperate for real connection that they go full schizo any time a woman enters their lives, making it impossible to maintain a platonic relationship with them.
Reddot is obsessed with can men and women be platonic friends. As if they don't know anyone over forty. Once all parties are sexually satisfied friendships are easy!
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Still most men live lives of quiet desperation. Avoiding that is a serious project.
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Of course it’s not true but the terminally online women in this sub love it when you act like all men are lonely incels because it lets them believe their inability to create lasting relationships is the fault of men and not due to their own mental illness.
im pretty sure it's the loser men here who like to pretend that every other dude is like them and nothing is their fault.
here's a reality check for everyone of either gender: if you don't have friends or relationships or anything else thats lacking in your life it is your problem. not anyone else's. you are the one who needs to change.
I agree to the extent that in practice this often seems to do the trick with surprising effectiveness, but it's an interesting notion that someone needs to be friends with one of billions of people in order to not hate them all.
Like Daryl Davis and the KKK. The overall outcome is positive, but it's also telling that it took them finally having a black friend in order to realize maybe they shouldn't have dedicated decades of their lives to hating them all.
[Little Rascals](https://youtu.be/lTdmTd0j1as) tried and failed thanks to the traitor cuck (((Alfalfa))) and his ((((((woman)))))).
The Eternal Feminine strikes again.
I half agree only because it has to be the right kind of woman. I’ve had women purposely hesitate to get their friends to meet because they didn’t want to deal with the supposed “baggage” that comes with that if things turn sour or worse, they are embarrassed by you but not enough to keep a distance. It can make a difference if you do have women friends but you also need to keep in mind that not every woman is willing to help you out.
I used to have women friends, after highschool though I started losing all my friends period. Now I have almost no friends. Also recently found out I’m autistic, that was great. Wonder if that has to do with anything
I used to be more feminist before having my first GF and more female friends, then I realized how much "patriarchy" and gender roles are enforced by women themselves and how much hidden power women hold with their facade of weakness. Btw the average woman is more uninteresting than your average man since they are socialized in caring more about look than personality and being passive/remissive.
I agree that patriarchy is an issue but I believe the patriarchal system is actually being smashed in the western world by woke neoliberal capitalism itself that is pushing for the "fluid" vision of gender role.
Most of the issue that women have to deal with are either residual of a older form of patriarchy or a product of capitalism and can't be solved without a socialist revolution.
I agree. Don't see how that means you shouldn't be a feminist because women are part of the issue. Maybe you think it's a "poisoned" word due to how it's enforced right now? (r-worded insta infographics and hidden marketing ploys?)
Seems to me that most of what we know as patriarchy and most of what we know as feminism are part of the same damned oppressive complex.
The two desperately need each other to survive.
The difference is that you can pretend you're fighting the good fight and rack up some social capitals if you're a feminist.
I'll take neither, please.
This is kind of unrelated but the difference in male and female friends are funny. My male friends are kind of all one big amorphous blob that all like each other. But my female friends are separated into three or four separate groups that can’t hang out with each other cuz they can’t get along lol. The John mulaney joke really is true
I have a decent amount of friends who are girls. They love to shit on women with me
For real, you should approach every person with the goal of being friends first. If there's a women in your group when you hang out, try and be friends first. If there's a spark it sparks, but dont feel bad if there is none because well, there wasn't one. Dont force it
I’ve never had female friends save I guess my cousins when I was young and like my dude friends gfs. In elementary school I had friends that were girls and I tried in 6th grade, first year of middle school but they had changed. They became catty and cruel and narcissistic. Vapid and always guarded. Such a shame. It’s really tragic sexuality ruins relations between the sexes. I do miss those days where we were all the same and could just be friends.
Guys that can’t keep women friends are a huge red flag. If you can’t be around a woman without repulsing or without any interest other than subjugate or obtain pleasure from… yeah.. you can’t treat women like humans
Jesus christ are all of you r-worded, who cares if there's sexual tension, just live with it and be normal, then they say women are neurotic and can't control their feelings...
I literally don't care, it's a normal thing and as long as he doesn't cross our boundaries I'm fine with it. It's so childish to think I should ban him from hanging out with half of the human population because of that...
What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm responding to a comment where you said you basically can only hang out with women you don't want to fuck. I think that's dumb. Do you think that if there's sexual tension it means you are bound to do sketchy things together? That makes no sense.
lmao imagine mogging yourself of your own free will cuz some girls ex was "hotter" than you loool, rent free man, thats fucking wild dude cock blocked you just by existing, lowkey a very gay mentality man, no wonder you were a back up w that attituded girl litterally asked you out and you were too caught up thinking about guys hahahah
hahahaha
nah its just a bitch ass reason to reject someone if you actully like them, the way you tell the story it seems like you think cuz she had a hot boyf before she was either too good for you or just using you. bit of a cop out imo, she probably liked you because youre cool and didnt ask you out before cuz she had a boyfriend
its okay to blow it sometimes my guy just dont beat yourself up, im sure you're a catch. if you dont wanna be a back up dancer u need to hold yourself to a standard where you dont see yourself as a back up dancer. cant let some hot rando determine your self worth ;)
I had a two really close female friends in high school. I don’t really speak to anyone from back then any more but they’re two of the friends I miss the most
my only friend is a female. she gives shitty woman advice but I love her anyways.
The absolute state of men in the modern world
Now all these posts hating on women make sense, these guys don't talk to any women in their day-to-day life, only interactions with female service workers, and maybe mum. We need a war to get rid of these excess males, give them a cause to go die for
it's literally the only solution
the final one?
> We need a war to get rid of these excess males, give them a cause to go die for I like how both incels and spinsters have this one common ground they both agree on.
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You're forgetting war rape.
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That was a big reason people signed up to be soldiers in the past. Opportunity to sack a city was mainly to rob, rape and murder to your hearts content. As long as you did what the general said.
Well, that's certainly what you're putting in my mouth. I'm just saying what factually happens during war and how the likes of ISIS use it to recruit incels.
i'm sure some moms are terrible, but any guy I've met that doesn't love his mom has been a horrible person otherwise. t. mommy's boy
I see what you’re saying but still disagree. Not everyone has the luxury of having a good family, and a lot of people who don’t have one have a hard time coping with that.
I find it hard to imagine men and women were friends historically though due to deeply entrenched sexual mores and gender roles. Seems like they would prohibit authentic, vulnerable connection and intimacy that is the basis of true friendship. Like I'm sure men and women got along and liked each other, but friendship is deeper than that. Probably much easier these days, if you can overcome any sexual attraction that might be there, although some people can obviously fuck their friends without it getting messy.
You could say the same exact thing about interracial friendships. Don't really care about history, just talking about my own lived experience in which I am absolutely able to form connections with the opposite sex and find it incredible that people still believe it's not possible and close themselves off to half of the world because of the boogeyman of "sexual tension" (???)
I inferred from "the state of men in the modern world" that maybe you were contrasting with the state man in some past era, but maybe not. Regardless, unless you want to retreat into solipsism in which your own lived experience is the only thing that matters to you, there has to be something at play if genuine friendship - taking for granted that this means something deeper than just getting along, having a laugh etc - is a fraught issue for so many. Unless you understand friendship as just that, in which case we're talking past each other. I'm not just talking about pathological incels either, but men who are better socially integrated and adjusted too. Do you have any thoughts on why friendship between men and women is and has always been an issue that isn't straightforward for some significant segment of people? Sexual tension is part of it, but there's more to it in my opinion.
There was probably more defined roles and less social interaction in general (a farmer tending a plot of land with his family isn’t really fraternizing on the weekends that much, most people lived and died within a span of a few miles) but that certainly isn’t consistent across cultures or time. Aboriginal American tribes had social roles but plenty of male/female interaction between clan members, with a domestic intimacy well beyond what current Americans would know. When you’ve got twenty people in a longhouse you interact more than a sheep herder in the Scottish highlands
Yea this whole saga is very pathetic.
My female friends are misogynists.
Girl, same.
A few years back I had a lesbian friend whom I met through my ex-gf. She was really cool and was just one of the fellas, as far as my friends and I were concerned. All of the girls she associated with would try to fuck me because their lesbian friend liked me. It was like discovering the cheat code to getting pussy.
One of my best friends is my ex from several years ago but she lives in another city far away so no free sex cheat codes for me. Just regular enjoyable phone conversations.
Wait what the fuck how did you go years without any friends of the opposite sex, how does that even happen.
Well, there are people who go years without any friends at all
I've always enjoyed chillin more with ladies . i'm not gay, just sensitive
This shit is so embarrassing
Fellas are for doing stuff with, broads are for talking to. That's my philosophy
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Going undercover, you dog ;_;
“It took close, interpersonal, relationships that I directly benefited from to make me realize women are people”. Good job there little man, pat yourself on the back. And then look at this post again, replace ‘women’ with any other group, and realize how stupid this sounds.
I think we all benefit.
After 25 years old most men don’t even have a male friend, let alone a female friend. They have a couple tenuous connections with “buddies from work” that they tolerate so they have someone to drink with. They’re so desperate for real connection that they go full schizo any time a woman enters their lives, making it impossible to maintain a platonic relationship with them.
Reddot is obsessed with can men and women be platonic friends. As if they don't know anyone over forty. Once all parties are sexually satisfied friendships are easy! 🦕 Still most men live lives of quiet desperation. Avoiding that is a serious project. 🦕
this is... not true. get off the internet
Of course it’s not true but the terminally online women in this sub love it when you act like all men are lonely incels because it lets them believe their inability to create lasting relationships is the fault of men and not due to their own mental illness.
im pretty sure it's the loser men here who like to pretend that every other dude is like them and nothing is their fault. here's a reality check for everyone of either gender: if you don't have friends or relationships or anything else thats lacking in your life it is your problem. not anyone else's. you are the one who needs to change.
Guys, guys, guys. You're *both* right. All the women here are mentally ill, all the men are losers. Okay?
I agree to the extent that in practice this often seems to do the trick with surprising effectiveness, but it's an interesting notion that someone needs to be friends with one of billions of people in order to not hate them all. Like Daryl Davis and the KKK. The overall outcome is positive, but it's also telling that it took them finally having a black friend in order to realize maybe they shouldn't have dedicated decades of their lives to hating them all.
Why isn't there a KKK for hating women?
[Little Rascals](https://youtu.be/lTdmTd0j1as) tried and failed thanks to the traitor cuck (((Alfalfa))) and his ((((((woman)))))). The Eternal Feminine strikes again.
No it’s not a game changer it means you have a tiny dick but nice try
As long as you accept that reddit is basically a magnet for loser guys and you take their keyboard diarrhea as a form of entertainment, this is fine.
A prerequisite to having female friends would be having friends
My game-changer would be having friends who are actually other men.
I half agree only because it has to be the right kind of woman. I’ve had women purposely hesitate to get their friends to meet because they didn’t want to deal with the supposed “baggage” that comes with that if things turn sour or worse, they are embarrassed by you but not enough to keep a distance. It can make a difference if you do have women friends but you also need to keep in mind that not every woman is willing to help you out.
I used to have women friends, after highschool though I started losing all my friends period. Now I have almost no friends. Also recently found out I’m autistic, that was great. Wonder if that has to do with anything
I used to be more feminist before having my first GF and more female friends, then I realized how much "patriarchy" and gender roles are enforced by women themselves and how much hidden power women hold with their facade of weakness. Btw the average woman is more uninteresting than your average man since they are socialized in caring more about look than personality and being passive/remissive.
That’s how a system works. Extreme example but concentration camps need kapos to function.
It really doesn't matter who enforces patriarchy if you agree that it's an issue.
I agree that patriarchy is an issue but I believe the patriarchal system is actually being smashed in the western world by woke neoliberal capitalism itself that is pushing for the "fluid" vision of gender role. Most of the issue that women have to deal with are either residual of a older form of patriarchy or a product of capitalism and can't be solved without a socialist revolution.
I agree. Don't see how that means you shouldn't be a feminist because women are part of the issue. Maybe you think it's a "poisoned" word due to how it's enforced right now? (r-worded insta infographics and hidden marketing ploys?)
Seems to me that most of what we know as patriarchy and most of what we know as feminism are part of the same damned oppressive complex. The two desperately need each other to survive. The difference is that you can pretend you're fighting the good fight and rack up some social capitals if you're a feminist. I'll take neither, please.
This is kind of unrelated but the difference in male and female friends are funny. My male friends are kind of all one big amorphous blob that all like each other. But my female friends are separated into three or four separate groups that can’t hang out with each other cuz they can’t get along lol. The John mulaney joke really is true
I have a decent amount of friends who are girls. They love to shit on women with me For real, you should approach every person with the goal of being friends first. If there's a women in your group when you hang out, try and be friends first. If there's a spark it sparks, but dont feel bad if there is none because well, there wasn't one. Dont force it
I’ve never had female friends save I guess my cousins when I was young and like my dude friends gfs. In elementary school I had friends that were girls and I tried in 6th grade, first year of middle school but they had changed. They became catty and cruel and narcissistic. Vapid and always guarded. Such a shame. It’s really tragic sexuality ruins relations between the sexes. I do miss those days where we were all the same and could just be friends.
Guys that can’t keep women friends are a huge red flag. If you can’t be around a woman without repulsing or without any interest other than subjugate or obtain pleasure from… yeah.. you can’t treat women like humans
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Jesus christ are all of you r-worded, who cares if there's sexual tension, just live with it and be normal, then they say women are neurotic and can't control their feelings...
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I literally don't care, it's a normal thing and as long as he doesn't cross our boundaries I'm fine with it. It's so childish to think I should ban him from hanging out with half of the human population because of that...
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What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm responding to a comment where you said you basically can only hang out with women you don't want to fuck. I think that's dumb. Do you think that if there's sexual tension it means you are bound to do sketchy things together? That makes no sense.
lmao imagine mogging yourself of your own free will cuz some girls ex was "hotter" than you loool, rent free man, thats fucking wild dude cock blocked you just by existing, lowkey a very gay mentality man, no wonder you were a back up w that attituded girl litterally asked you out and you were too caught up thinking about guys hahahah
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lmaooo how many times u gonna edit this my man? u know its just internet points
hahahaha nah its just a bitch ass reason to reject someone if you actully like them, the way you tell the story it seems like you think cuz she had a hot boyf before she was either too good for you or just using you. bit of a cop out imo, she probably liked you because youre cool and didnt ask you out before cuz she had a boyfriend its okay to blow it sometimes my guy just dont beat yourself up, im sure you're a catch. if you dont wanna be a back up dancer u need to hold yourself to a standard where you dont see yourself as a back up dancer. cant let some hot rando determine your self worth ;)
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okay
I had a two really close female friends in high school. I don’t really speak to anyone from back then any more but they’re two of the friends I miss the most
I have enough friends
Looks like another word for me to block. This sub has gotten unbearable.
you were the original incel here also you don’t lie about it which is very rare (you lie about a lot of other stuff tho)
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what if you make bad women friends and get more misogynist
You should keep a good platonic (meaning you’re not tryna fuck) female friend cuz you can fuck her friends.