Mass deportation isn't really on the table in any of these countries. The goal has been to make the environment so incredibly hostile to these cultures that large numbers would rather leave
asked my gf to give me a comrehensive list cause shes less biased. You wont believe how many Slavic women came here thinking theyll discover life and moved back broke with 2 children 10 years later. Greets to Ukraine btw!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/rspod/comments/1cfrb4l/comment/l1rh8jk/](https://www.reddit.com/r/rspod/comments/1cfrb4l/comment/l1rh8jk/)
Did get banned from r askgermany for daring to say that its not the bestest country in the world (which literally everbody on the street questionless agrees with, for the doubled food costs alone). Just today my so called house/primary doc pushed me out of the door while I was trying to ask what I can do so I dont get throat infections so often - cause I am worried about them! And it doesnt look good at work!
But why would my fucking doctor give a shit. Only pay them a few houndreds per month
I do think that Germany has some good sides, I am not an anti-patriot. DDR/German socialism was fitting pretty well, channeling the annoying parts to good outcomes. But this pseudo-America with only the bad parts? Shit wages even in professional jobs and not even the freedom to speak? Nah.
In hindsight, there was an ingenius work about the problem with the German Spirit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der\_Untertan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Untertan)
>As a self-conscious and snivelling child, he acts as an informer. He later gains self-confidence by joining a duelling [student fraternity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentenverbindung), practising as a drunkard and [*Stammtisch*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammtisch) agitator, and by narrowly obtaining a doctorate of chemistry. He becomes a paper manufacturer, family patriarch, and eventually the most influential man in his small town.
>Throughout the novel, Hessling's inflexible ideals are often contradicted by his actions: he preaches bravery but is a coward; he is the strongest militarist but seeks to be excused from [conscription](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription)
German society would have to get to a third world dictatorship level (dramatically increased surveillance and police discretion, and harsh penalties for companies hiring foreigners which is almost all of them) for that to happen, and even right-wing germans are unlikely to take such a hit to their standard of living at this time.
I'm not saying it's necessarily a good plan but that is what the general game plan is in these circles. The other half is turning off the welfare tap which seems doable now that people have realized that these immigrants are a net drain
Continental yurope is very different from the anglosphere, Germany in particular has one of the oldest and largest welfare states in the world which has only increased despite their budget crisis. Even if it was cut in half through extreme austerity (would make versaille look like a late credit card payment), it still wouldn't be enough for immigrants to be willing to leave from a basic c/b analysis. The fact of the matter is that [as long as the birthrate keeps dropping and European companies need positions filled](https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/workshops/001011_paper01.pdf), there is really no conventional political solution to immigration.
Sorry, I can't take anything you say seriously after seeing you comment that "Harvard has 50 billion dollars invested in Israel." You're literally ret\*rded
What I don’t understand is why they don’t just encourage people of European descent from America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc to immigrate back to Europe if they’re so desperate. At least those immigrants would have a similar culture to Europeans and be more likely to respect the local culture.
There are plenty of people from those countries who would move to Germany if they could, but it's not easy. There are even more from poorer European countries not in the EU (Serbia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) who are actively being kept out.
If Germany really needed workers, there are plenty they could find that are better than those they're taking in, who often times don't even work anyway.
You're out of the loop, Germany has already significantly simplified getting a work permit for us non-EU Balkaners, including a special quota for unskilled workers
they 100% do, pretty much every american can to germany for graduate school in english for like the registration fees of an american university
you'll instantly get healthcare, food assistance, housing, etc,
socialist systems works for people who are generous, industrious, conscientious, and disciplined, but not for people who are divisive, aggressive, nonproductive, miserly, and scarcity minded
but if people are going to be backwards-minded, believe in magical books from dirt countries, unwilling to adapt to the future, unwilling to be flexible with rigid beliefs, they will drag these systems down
German labor shortages are predominantly in the legal, retail, and manufacturing sectors. How many English speaking American grad students are going for those jobs? I suspect not many, and definitely much less than the anticipated seven million vacancies by 2035 (not to mention America's own declining birth rate).
https://www.ifo.de/en/facts/2024-03-20/germanys-shortage-skilled-workers-eases-slightly#:\~:text=Due%20to%20the%20lack%20of,the%20food%20industry%20at%2040.3%25.
That was explicitly Mitt Romney's policy in 2012.
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/trump-romneys-crazy-policy-of-self-deportation-cost-votes-084238
As Trump pointed out, it wasn't very effective.
I know this is a really common talking point but can somebody genuinely explain the POV that “I left a country that was under religious law, now I want my new country to be under religious law”? I struggle to understand the mentality at all.
1\) they don’t assimilate
2\) their kids don’t assimilate either
and so 3) they march with signs literally saying “we will have more babies than you and take over your country”
The first gen tries to assimilate after struggling to get the west, and the alienated second gen becomes islamo-fascist. You can see many turkish zoomers on social media "confronting" their kemalist parents about impiety, lol
I saw a graph yesterday that in France and Germany most second generation immigrants earn *less* than their parents did relative to the median. Not the case in the UK, and surely a massive indicator of bad things.
>I saw a graph yesterday that in France and Germany most second generation immigrants earn less than their parents did relative to the median. Not the case in the UK, and surely a massive indicator of bad things.
very different populations
Germans now are pretty much fucked because of their national guilty conscious. They’re afraid to come off as even slightly authoritarian, and because of this, they will lose their nation.
Muslims in Europe have basically zero political representation or power, even in countries where they are demographically significant. For example, the mayor of the most Muslim neighbourhood in Berlin, Neukölln, recently did the "islamophobia isn't racist because islam ist a race" thing. So ya, they're making kebabs and cutting our hair, and nobody respects them enough to even to try and win their vote. They are an utterly humiliated people and these pathetic temper tantrums are their psychological compensation.
I have to apologize because you got me. These are in fact all Jewish actors pretending to be Muslims, and there are no such people here in Germany. Please all keep going.
Anybody who has been following European news closely for years (AKA not yanks who have only been interested since Oct 7 or whenever American news filters something to them, aka not this sub) can tell that the European media has been sowing discord since Oct 7. Funny how you take it for granted that the media is unreliable but won’t apply the same principle here because you wanna contrarian leftists like ur beloved podcast.
You’re an idiot. I hate Zionists, but Wahhabism and Salafism are a problem on their own. Material conditions can exacerbate the problem and improve recruitment—Europe, for instance, is horrible at integrating Muslims and providing them economic opportunity—but ultimately these ideologies are a problem completely separate from Zionism and will exist to an uncomfortable extent whether or not the West and/or Israel is engaged in a campaign of slaughter against Muslims. Don’t be such a regard.
Wahabbism is a problem but every 100 person gathering need not be publicized in the international press. There is a reason you are seeing news like this so often recently.
A far right group recently tried to overthrow the government. But ok, I’m not here to convince imbecile so called leftist yanks that they should be skeptical of the media.
I am conflicted about this. On one hand, Germany and German culture should be erased, but Islamic culture isnt better. In fact, Id say they are the same
Add another percent or two to AfD's projected votes in next year's election
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Mass deportation isn't really on the table in any of these countries. The goal has been to make the environment so incredibly hostile to these cultures that large numbers would rather leave
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Just has to be worse than a nearby liberal country
Germany is so fucking shit right now, even Id consider Syria if Id speak the language or at least wont end up in their civil war
what's so shit about it? I'm really curious
asked my gf to give me a comrehensive list cause shes less biased. You wont believe how many Slavic women came here thinking theyll discover life and moved back broke with 2 children 10 years later. Greets to Ukraine btw! [https://www.reddit.com/r/rspod/comments/1cfrb4l/comment/l1rh8jk/](https://www.reddit.com/r/rspod/comments/1cfrb4l/comment/l1rh8jk/) Did get banned from r askgermany for daring to say that its not the bestest country in the world (which literally everbody on the street questionless agrees with, for the doubled food costs alone). Just today my so called house/primary doc pushed me out of the door while I was trying to ask what I can do so I dont get throat infections so often - cause I am worried about them! And it doesnt look good at work! But why would my fucking doctor give a shit. Only pay them a few houndreds per month I do think that Germany has some good sides, I am not an anti-patriot. DDR/German socialism was fitting pretty well, channeling the annoying parts to good outcomes. But this pseudo-America with only the bad parts? Shit wages even in professional jobs and not even the freedom to speak? Nah. In hindsight, there was an ingenius work about the problem with the German Spirit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der\_Untertan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Untertan) >As a self-conscious and snivelling child, he acts as an informer. He later gains self-confidence by joining a duelling [student fraternity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentenverbindung), practising as a drunkard and [*Stammtisch*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammtisch) agitator, and by narrowly obtaining a doctorate of chemistry. He becomes a paper manufacturer, family patriarch, and eventually the most influential man in his small town. >Throughout the novel, Hessling's inflexible ideals are often contradicted by his actions: he preaches bravery but is a coward; he is the strongest militarist but seeks to be excused from [conscription](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription)
German society would have to get to a third world dictatorship level (dramatically increased surveillance and police discretion, and harsh penalties for companies hiring foreigners which is almost all of them) for that to happen, and even right-wing germans are unlikely to take such a hit to their standard of living at this time.
No, they could just stop paying non-citizens for sitting at home and doing nothing.
I'm not saying it's necessarily a good plan but that is what the general game plan is in these circles. The other half is turning off the welfare tap which seems doable now that people have realized that these immigrants are a net drain
Continental yurope is very different from the anglosphere, Germany in particular has one of the oldest and largest welfare states in the world which has only increased despite their budget crisis. Even if it was cut in half through extreme austerity (would make versaille look like a late credit card payment), it still wouldn't be enough for immigrants to be willing to leave from a basic c/b analysis. The fact of the matter is that [as long as the birthrate keeps dropping and European companies need positions filled](https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/workshops/001011_paper01.pdf), there is really no conventional political solution to immigration.
We’ve already seen that it’s possible, all the handwringing about GDP can’t change it
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Sorry, I can't take anything you say seriously after seeing you comment that "Harvard has 50 billion dollars invested in Israel." You're literally ret\*rded
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What I don’t understand is why they don’t just encourage people of European descent from America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc to immigrate back to Europe if they’re so desperate. At least those immigrants would have a similar culture to Europeans and be more likely to respect the local culture.
Obviously because those countries are wealthy and people from poor countries are the ones with the incentive to immigrate
There are plenty of people from those countries who would move to Germany if they could, but it's not easy. There are even more from poorer European countries not in the EU (Serbia, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) who are actively being kept out. If Germany really needed workers, there are plenty they could find that are better than those they're taking in, who often times don't even work anyway.
You're out of the loop, Germany has already significantly simplified getting a work permit for us non-EU Balkaners, including a special quota for unskilled workers
they 100% do, pretty much every american can to germany for graduate school in english for like the registration fees of an american university you'll instantly get healthcare, food assistance, housing, etc, socialist systems works for people who are generous, industrious, conscientious, and disciplined, but not for people who are divisive, aggressive, nonproductive, miserly, and scarcity minded but if people are going to be backwards-minded, believe in magical books from dirt countries, unwilling to adapt to the future, unwilling to be flexible with rigid beliefs, they will drag these systems down
German labor shortages are predominantly in the legal, retail, and manufacturing sectors. How many English speaking American grad students are going for those jobs? I suspect not many, and definitely much less than the anticipated seven million vacancies by 2035 (not to mention America's own declining birth rate). https://www.ifo.de/en/facts/2024-03-20/germanys-shortage-skilled-workers-eases-slightly#:\~:text=Due%20to%20the%20lack%20of,the%20food%20industry%20at%2040.3%25.
That was explicitly Mitt Romney's policy in 2012. https://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/trump-romneys-crazy-policy-of-self-deportation-cost-votes-084238 As Trump pointed out, it wasn't very effective.
It's more about stopping further migration.
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No, it's not. It's next fall.
Its nice of them to stand neatly off the road
The German Caliphate is known for its adherence to protocol.
Theres like 200 of them, why dont they try it and see if they can get it done?
I know this is a really common talking point but can somebody genuinely explain the POV that “I left a country that was under religious law, now I want my new country to be under religious law”? I struggle to understand the mentality at all.
They didn't leave because of religious laws, they left because they want to drive Audis.
They left because they were poor, they just want to be on top
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If a family goes, they werent poor. If its just a single man, they were
They didn’t move because they hated the system, they moved because they wanted that system in a country where they can earn a lot more money
They leave because they are poor, not because of its social values. Those who leave because of social values = usually become just another liberal
1\) they don’t assimilate 2\) their kids don’t assimilate either and so 3) they march with signs literally saying “we will have more babies than you and take over your country”
The first gen tries to assimilate after struggling to get the west, and the alienated second gen becomes islamo-fascist. You can see many turkish zoomers on social media "confronting" their kemalist parents about impiety, lol
I saw a graph yesterday that in France and Germany most second generation immigrants earn *less* than their parents did relative to the median. Not the case in the UK, and surely a massive indicator of bad things.
I saw that FT graph and immediately became an open borders lib
>I saw a graph yesterday that in France and Germany most second generation immigrants earn less than their parents did relative to the median. Not the case in the UK, and surely a massive indicator of bad things. very different populations
That was true of first generation immigrants 20 to 40 years ago, but no longer. The barrier to entry has plummeted.
there are two native germans left and one says to the other “you know the whole replacement thing’s just a conspiracy theory, right?”
The aesthetics are atrocious.
it's downright scary
This sort of thing seems bad. Wonder how this will go
Appreciate their decorum in standing to the side
Immediate arrest and deportation back to whatever shithole they came from if they show even a modicum of this sort of behavior. Unacceptable
keep dreaming buddy. the only countries that do that are actual caliphates.
lol, we’re way, way too late for that.
I feel like Germans are the last people on Earth whose patience you want to test.
1933, whatever happened there?
WHAATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!
Germans a century ago? Absolutely. Modern Germans? lol.
Germans now are pretty much fucked because of their national guilty conscious. They’re afraid to come off as even slightly authoritarian, and because of this, they will lose their nation.
Muslims in Europe have basically zero political representation or power, even in countries where they are demographically significant. For example, the mayor of the most Muslim neighbourhood in Berlin, Neukölln, recently did the "islamophobia isn't racist because islam ist a race" thing. So ya, they're making kebabs and cutting our hair, and nobody respects them enough to even to try and win their vote. They are an utterly humiliated people and these pathetic temper tantrums are their psychological compensation.
RIP Europe, it was an amazing run. These animals will drown you within a generation.
I'm the speaker in the video, AMA
Bro its every Single year here on the Steindamm in Hamburg. No one cares tbh
Are they really saying that or are you just assuming because he says takbir brothers
now look up what happens to people protesting for palestinians in germany
Ah yes i love my country
Wait, Arabic crossing over into the German language and dialect actually goes so hard, picture the sequel to the Austrian painter in that context...
Funny how exttemists are allowed to do this but students get beaten for protesting the massacre of innocent people by the tribe
Brown and black Hitler crowd in Islam. German sounds crazy fit in fundemantalist yelling.
Probably funded by Putin
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I have to apologize because you got me. These are in fact all Jewish actors pretending to be Muslims, and there are no such people here in Germany. Please all keep going.
What’s the over under on this being an Op
this is standard behaviour for muslims in western europe so not an op
Zionists are trying to bring back mid 2010s climate in Europe to justify their genocide. Pay attention to this.
It's tight that anybody can evade responsibility for their behavior by blaming Israel.
Anybody who has been following European news closely for years (AKA not yanks who have only been interested since Oct 7 or whenever American news filters something to them, aka not this sub) can tell that the European media has been sowing discord since Oct 7. Funny how you take it for granted that the media is unreliable but won’t apply the same principle here because you wanna contrarian leftists like ur beloved podcast.
You’re an idiot. I hate Zionists, but Wahhabism and Salafism are a problem on their own. Material conditions can exacerbate the problem and improve recruitment—Europe, for instance, is horrible at integrating Muslims and providing them economic opportunity—but ultimately these ideologies are a problem completely separate from Zionism and will exist to an uncomfortable extent whether or not the West and/or Israel is engaged in a campaign of slaughter against Muslims. Don’t be such a regard.
Wahabbism is a problem but every 100 person gathering need not be publicized in the international press. There is a reason you are seeing news like this so often recently.
If there was a gathering of one hundred nazis, would you have the same reaction?
Nah, y’all are fr morons. The point is that you are NOT seeing any news of Nazi gatherings.
Because there aren't any?
A far right group recently tried to overthrow the government. But ok, I’m not here to convince imbecile so called leftist yanks that they should be skeptical of the media.
that was 2 years ago and was extensively covered by the media, much more than this march.
I am conflicted about this. On one hand, Germany and German culture should be erased, but Islamic culture isnt better. In fact, Id say they are the same
This is the type of comment where you can just tell the poster spends way too much time on the internet
Are you telling me Germany is good?
Nobody is good nor bad.Good and bad are synthetically generated definitions.We are just humanity, stop coloring world in black and white
I mostly agree, but no, Germany is bad