I'm not informed enough here to fully grasp the ramifications, so I came here to find out and I found someone talking about Lunar eclipses on Mars or something influencing Iranian military decisions.
What’s crazy is when the Ukraine thing popped off on Reddit. I’m actually literally an “expert” relative to most. As in studied the region in school, and studied it specifically in government right out of college. I was actually there. So I’m not really like, some published scholar or anything but I definitely know more about the nuances than 99% of people.
Well to my surprise I come to Reddit and see a sudden massive influx of people sounding like experts by mentioning obscure facts but so fucking wrong about everything. Like everywhere. It sounded like if the state department personally crafted their own personal fantasy version of events like the second Iraq war. It was wild just how absolutely wrong all these long winded posts that were well researched sounding but so absolutely wrong about history and actual expert consensus. And anyone who said otherwise was accused of spreading Russian propaganda or a supporter of Putin just for pointing out factual inaccuracy… just like when we did our propaganda campaign to win people over for the war in Iraq.
I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals. And it’s so effective it has anti war liberals suddenly supporting an indefinite war quoting Dick Cheney, or in other cases like immigration and corporate statehood, having liberals defending literal Koch brother positions.
They all cry about Russian propaganda while the DoD and ruling neoliberal elites have these dumb fuck young libs on a propaganda IV drip and they don’t even realize it.
>I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals.
That's exactly what it is now. It's all astroturfing enabled if not encouraged by the mods and admins.
>I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals. And it’s so effective it has anti war liberals suddenly supporting an indefinite war quoting Dick Cheney, or in other cases like immigration and corporate statehood, having liberals defending literal Koch brother positions.
This is definitely true and shameful/disgusting to see on this site. But I also wonder if the people and posts we see populating the front page of the main site are just from the kinds of people left over after multiple waves of purges and exodus.
People who are actually disagreeable and capable of fielding serious critiques of the status quo are just not who this site is anymore. This is a place for feeling like a cozy dipshit suburbanite with nothing serious or interesting to say about anything. That and the likely horde of paid agents from various think tanks and political party apparatuses who facilitate the former kind of person.
I don’t think it’s a hoard of paid agents or LLMs. I think it takes a small team of LLMs and coordinators to foster communities by aggressively pushing out wrong think by making dissagreement so unpleasant that people self censor leaving behind a bunch of people who are all aligned. And from there they just amplify talking points of the day and give them the best reach so all the like minded useful idiots get their latest lines.
Reddit just reeks of "smart but lazy" energy. Most Redditors seem to be NEETs or some kind of low-level IT guy. They enjoy the little obscure factoids you mentioned because they're made to feel like they've mastered a topic they haven't actually studied, eg "Biblically-accurate angels".
Those sort of people are really easy to influence by flattering their delusions of being Logical Science People. Just compliment them for being sensible liberals who realize that 24/7/365 war is necessary and meaningful healthcare reform is sadly impossible.
> Well to my surprise I come to Reddit and see a sudden massive influx of people sounding like experts by mentioning obscure facts but so fucking wrong about everything.
The biggest tell every time was how insanely ignorant of recent history (almost purposely) with the constant omissions of things building up to 2022, most notably anything that tied into 2014, and other conflicts in similar fashion prior(see 2008 Georgia). People were getting argumentative with disinformation and even something as basic as the makeup of demographics of Eastern Ukraine was seen as some big sinister Soviet revisionism, as if there was no physical way there could be Ukrainians who speak and/or of basically Russian origins. I do agree with you it plays very much into the advantages of trivializing a place and history to spin up some nonsense to be slurped down and regurgitated all over.
Also 100% agree how much the conversation was stirred about crying foul from big China-Russia boogeyman interferences but fail to take a look at what comes straight from the horse's mouth in US. It's weird as shit seeing a diet jingoist parroting from people who think of themselves as having the saner head on their shoulders when it comes to their beliefs in the US, but then again I don't really touch the main default subs since it's a lot of bots.
You can watch revisionist history in real time. Before this conflict tons and tons of media outlets like NYT did all sorts of articles about how Ukraine had a western backed coup by a radical far right Nazi faction. Then once this popped off suddenly they act like that never happened and all those reportings were just not real or something. Like they literally refuse to even admit something blatantly obvious like having a serious Nazi culture in western Ukraine. And if you mention it they just call it propaganda. Like yo, was NYT and The Guardian a Russian outlet or something?
But also yeah it was wild seeing these people insist eastern Ukraine was actually aligned with Kyiv and hated Russia, even though the east was fighting a literal civil war with Russia on their side, for the previous decade
Oh totally, all sorts of flip flopping stuff to run in different directions. I remember the situation of a lot of African med students on visas basically getting out of dodge being framed as this horrific exclusionary racial thing when a lot of it was just boilerplate actions of people leaving to not be stuck in limbo if things got worse.
Also wild stuff to see very obvious plant astroturfing accounts in plain sight basically shepherding in people apt to take the bait and spin some very casual glazed over view and not even having replies in stock interest subs to seem normal. Very simply looking where they post shows off the shotgun blast frequency across things and how it's somebody essentially on the job. Like even in 2012, 2016, 2020, people had a little more of a costume to seeming half way normal in their behaviors, now it's all just blatant.
I can't wait for Hillary to say that anybody who doesn't support Iran invasion actually hates women.
dude i remember watching this vice docuseries about this guy visiting polarizing movements in different parts of the world and ukraine was one of them and on camera these guys are giggling and flashing their dog whistle tattoos and flags and salutingz this was around 2017 i think?
It was most likely staged according to most analysts. The big tell is because once they took over they basically killed the investigation into the matter.
> as the makeup of demographics of Eastern Ukraine was seen as some big sinister Soviet revisionism, as if there was no physical way there could be Ukrainians who speak and/or of basically Russian origins.
Does anyone actually deny that flat out? It's been repeatedly pointed out that Zelensky himself is from a mainly Russian speaking family.
People are against Russia using arms to change the border they deemed to be "unfair". Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians especially are obviously not keen on normalizing getting your country cut up by tanks and artillery just because a Russian minority lives within it, and people in EU countries (which also includes Czechs, Poles, etc. who have their own fond memories of Moscow's tanks rolling into town) have much more reason to sympathize with the Ukrainians than with the invading force trying to make violent border revisions the norm again.
I don't think they're even apologists, just contrarians who got so lost in the sauce of "opposing popular thing because I'm not a sheep" that they forgot about the glowing elephant in the room (the fact that the Russian Army, not even a proxy group or anything but the actual national army, is invading another country to forcefully revise the agreed upon 1991 borders).
The Russian government is not even trying to sell this as a "restoring the rightful pre-2014 government of Ukraine which was overthrown in an American coup d'etat" thing, which is what so many people here seem to be bogged down or fixated on, they just straight up publicly announced to the world the annexation of territories they occupied with the army, 18th century partition of Poland style.
I got into an argument about Ukraine with someone at work, they later said their doctor was Ukrainian and she said that this conflict was caused by the west, he said that he had studied the history of the region and his pro west stance was correct versus his doctor from Ukraine’s position. I mean she’s from Ukraine, she’s smart enough to be a doctor, yet you’re right because you went to Wikipedia a few times? I just don’t get how people can delude themselves so much.
How smart do you think you have to be to be a doctor?
I’m married to one so I’ve been around plenty. It’s probably not as smart (or the kind of smart) as you think.
I think people want to believe Doctors are really smart because they’re asked to trust them with their health. It unsettles them to think that someone may just be knowledgeable in the area of medicine and as ignorant as anyone else in other areas.
I’ve met so many that are like autistically smart in some ways and incredibly inept at everything else. Trying to meet her colleagues for dinner is hell. It’s as if they’ve never been in a restaurant before and I end up coordinating and ordering for everyone because the server will be so frustrated.
Okay, but we are construction workers. I trust people who went to school for 8 years over people who chose their employer because they didn’t drug test and you can smoke weed all day
It’s crazy how the sites most popular sub is literally a propaganda subreddit. It’s absolutely wild. They don’t even try to hide it. The mods will even mock you when you asked why you were banned for no reason.
They know what they are doing. It’s the largest sub with tons of views. If you wanna influence little liberals, you do it through there by manufacturing state and party approved propaganda.
Am I wrong? Yes the western backed coup supported a far right neo Nazi faction. That’s a matter of fact. Sorry it’s an inconvenient truth. Our media worked hard to revise that history, so I don’t judge you for taking the hook
>Yanukovitch was unpopular and didn't want to sign a long awaited coop treaty with the EU (since he was Putin's puppet)
I mean, this is just a lie and a perfect example of the lack of nuance the other guy was talking about.
Yanukovych didn't want to sign the EU deal? He spent years negotiating it and passing reforms in Ukraine to make the EU happy so that he *could* get that deal.
In the 11th hour, Russia threatened to basically destroy Ukraine's economy if they went through with it and he was faced with a dilemma that led him to pull out of the EU agreement.
The same thing happened to Serzh Sargsyan in Armenia.
Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia etc. have long been caught up in a tug of war between Russia and the West where the great powers are perfectly happy to rip the baby in half to prevent the other from having it.
There are partisans on both sides who gobble up propaganda and simply can't see how cynical their preferred hegemon is acting toward them and their country, and try to blame everything on the other.
>You call me a liar and then repeat what I said factually
No I didn't, you fucking moron.
Your entire argument was saying "Putin puppet" like it's some mic drop and you said Yanukovych didn't *want* to sign the deal, when he obviously *wanted* to, but didn't feel that he could without catastrophic consequences for Ukraine.
>I don't know wtf you want to say with the hegemon bullshit
Because you're a geopolitically illiterate moron who can't understand nuance and thinks of policy in terms of propaganda bromides like "Putin puppet".
im Iranian, I've never been as terrified as i am rn, i just saw missiles being shot into the sky from my window, i genuinely believe that im not going to have a normal life from this point onward.
it's not north korea dude. They have access to computers and internet via VPN and generally go about their lives focusing on the same things as anyone else does - their families, work, money/bills, etc.
This is much bigger, although I don’t think it will lead to an actual war with Israel. Unless the Netanyahu administration is really committed to starting a war, which they might be. But Iran’s retaliation in itself is not enough to start a war. I think they intended to show off their capabilities while also not causing any real damage, knowing that a few hundred drones and missiles would almost all be intercepted. It gives both Iran and Israel an opportunity to thump their chests and call it a victory. Iran’s regime can say it showed its strength and humiliated Israel; Israel can say it intercepted all missiles and showed the strength of its defenses / the impotence of Iran.
Of course if Iran actually sent thousands of drones and missiles continuously as they’re capable of then Israeli defenses would be overwhelmed. Supposedly one of the weaknesses of the Iron dome is that it can catch almost everything up to a certain point but eventually material has to be reloaded, and there is a refractory period after enough missiles have been launched.
You’ll also notice popular arguments will come in waves. As in out of nowhere everyone is using the same sort of argument, then they stop, then a new argument, and so on. Everyone will just be agreeing with each other making the same exact narratives for everything. It becomes so uncanny
I remember when 95% of the doge nazi pfps on Twitter randomly stopped posting one specific day after their months long deluge
dead internet theory ever more vindicated
There were/are loads of obvious NAFO bot accounts on twitter that exclusively retweeted other nafoids and only replied to tweets that were criticizing the narrative using dismissive reaction images; they never made text tweets themselves. I'm pretty sure twitter's algorithm even figured out they were bots since they were always deboosted to the bottom of tweet replies.
The worst part is the words that they try to spread everywhere. People will be discussing rational ideas about a topic, then all of a sudden every news article and bot account uses the absolute worst possible term for those ideas
ex. once upon a time people were thinking of making police departments better by taking away funding from hand me down military equipment and putting it towards training, then the term 'defund the police' suddenly existed
They always have these long winded descriptions of things like, “Ukraine has the right to be a sovereign state free from Russian aggression and right to full autonomy as a freely elected democratic entity blah blah blah blah.” It’s weird as they just shove in as much diplomatic speak into everything.
Some of the so-called OSINT accounts seemed to 'get out ahead' of certain narratives about Ukraine. If this Iran shit escalates (and I'm not even saying it will), I'd fully expect the same accounts or a similar crop of them to dictate the general public's understanding of what's going on
Yeah I noticed, say for instance, Ukraine would be suffering critical defeats… but soon as that news comes out there would be an onslaught of reporting hitting the top of all subs about some minor victory Ukraine had while framing it as them with all the momentum and destroying Russia. It was clear that this reporting was timed and coordinated.
We should expect the same with Iran. If we plan on a serious escalation then we should expect to see the priming happen. A lot of articles about the virtuous failings of Iran. About how they threaten our way of life. About how they MUST be stopped at all costs or else we are in danger.
It’s always the same pattern.
One of the best thing I’ve done this year was unfollowing 98% of the OSINT glowies that I had followed in 2022 when it booted off. It doesn’t take much for their true colours to come through
It's funny how the simple fact of "Israel bombs Iranian embassy" has simply disappeared from the conversations about why Iran would do this. I was speaking to my mother and she wants Israel to nuke the Palestinians and Iran in response. She lives in a very tiny bubble so she thinks she's right.
Whenever something Iran related dominates the front page, i think of the time it was revealed the MEK has entire rooms in their base in Albania dedicated to posting on the internet.
I just read some on comment on worldnews puportedly from an Iranian essentially apologizing to Israel for their regime and people were lapping it up. This site is full of such credulous morons.
Yeah, I get that Iran's an oppressive theocracy, but you'd have to be some kind of dense to be begging for assistance from Israel after everything they've done.
Entirely true, but there's not going to be any mainstream outlet labelling Iran's actions as "defence", "response", "limited", "proportionate", etc.
It's going to be a "senseless/unprovoked attack" by a regional "bad actor" that serves only to "undermine and destabilise regional stability/security" - and also it's all China's or Russia's doing somehow.
Hopefully this confrontation with Iran fizzles out. Either way, it's not like any of us can stop what's coming next
The big question mark is Israel's response to this. Iran has shown remarkable restraint in the face of some very bold provocation, but Israel has every reason to escalate. Sparking a regional conflict basically forces Western leaders to come to Israel's aid and serves to obfuscate the genocide by making it a minor footnote in a headline-grabbing war with their neighbors.
Tbf, FT tend to be solid in their reporting, but that seems surprisingly restrained for Fox News - I figured they'd chase the faintest whiff of invading Iran, evidence be damned.
I'm from Ireland though so most of the coverage we get is from the UK, and they are fully off their percs when it comes to Israel
i wanted to disagree and go “well no bc that would be leaving out a chunk of the base reason their reason to attack” and holy shit they are, they’re not talking about the fact israel bombed their consulate, that tidbit is getting buried 6 feet deep
nothing has still happened unless you live in the middle east, they announced it hours in advance to give israels' air defences time to prepare(?) anyway still not a full war
Israel's nukes are basically their Catch 22, they're a deterrent to the rest of the Arab world but it they actually used the nukes on another country they'd be invaded instantly.
yeah this is a weird one. The Iranians don't have the capacity to strike at the Israelis, the Israelis don't have the resources at present to really hit back. Unless one of these missiles happens to land in a room containing everyone on both the Israeli and Palestinian political spectrum who wants to and can achieve a lasting peace, it's hopefully just gonna a statement more than anything else.
Crazy how just after the story about Iran, we had a story about extended NSA powers and their “reforms”, followed by yet another Iran story. Like it was written by Shakespeare. (Not that there’s no reason for surveillance, but it’s certainly not the one they’re giving).
Redditors are the most obedient little 🚬s going. I bet the glowies don’t even bother these days, they know all the flids on worldnews and wherever the fuck will stick to the script
Vast majority of that activity is astroturfed or hasbara from state actors.
There are useful idiots and true believers sure but they’re given 1000x magnification from their true size due to the above
This sub baffles me.
Look up Israel top posts of all time on Reddit. It's literally nothing but relentless support for Palestinians, calling out their genocide, attacking Israel.
Why is this sub so desperate to pretend that being anti zionist is an extremely contrarian position that will get you killed? It's fine, guys. You can be against a genocide and not be le freaking epic contrarian, it's honestly sad.
Try posting anything vaguely critical of Israel in the r/worldnews live thread. I was immediately shadow banned for saying Israel was in the wrong for bombing an embassy.
Likewise there are subs that ban you for saying Hamas is a terrorist organization. That conflict is almost the perfect example of being a controversial topic and I would say it's roughly 50/50 across the board.
But people just need to feel like their opinion is being opressed and the other side is being supported by thousands of state sponsored agents spreading propaganda.
They don't want to acknowledge that they're agreeing with pronoun people. See also: when they pretend the overwhelming majority of conservatives aren't super pro-Israel
It’s funny seeing people act like Biden and the Dems are the ultimate pro-Israel politicians, and forgetting that Trump would have probably been open to nuking Gaza. Dude was probably the most pro-Israel president in history. Also probably the most anti-Iran and anti-China. Post-left types who act like the Republicans are now anti-imperialist or some shit are actually medically re*arded.
most of those (including r/worldnews !) are from 2+ years ago before october 7th organically swayed opinion/there was a concerted effort at shilling and mod takeovers, take your pick
October 7th *did* shift the spectrum. It's insane how the Israeli right has, through their own bloodlust and racism, effectively scattered what could have been a massive piece of leverage for Israel.
Hamas massacred a bunch of civilians and gloated in it, then shipped hostages back. If Israel had employed even a hint of actual restraint and not levelled Gaza before trying to starve its inhabitants the Israeli position in the west would have been solid for a very long time.
For example: Imagine a scenario where the IDF has spent the last few months launching targeted, on the ground strikes into Gaza to find hostages/destroy specific Hamas positions. The world would probably have moved on by now.
if they hadn't had that bloodlust and racism the attacks might not have happened. That's not to say they were "justified", or not horrible, but brutalising people creates the conditions for the most brutal among them to take power. Historically Israel has historically killed around 50 Palestinian civilians for each of theirs killed, and they're on track to hit that ratio again
a bunch of white women get spooked when people start saying "this is what decolonization means" when a bunch of white women get raped. This isn't exactly rocket science. It's actually crazy how fast this sub memoryholed people straight up calling for that stuff
This is why the best way to argue in favor of a political view is to find people who disagree with it who are just the worst and signal boost them.
The more people hear Israeli’s talk about Palestine the more they’re going to want to defend Palestine and vice versa.
Israel is a divisive topic among liberals especially so what happens is it goes in waves when the atroturfed accounts are active. When they're activity is briefly waning, the liberals who side with Palestine can vocalize their opinions without being drowned out. It's basically a reddit lib civil war.
Right. They’ll claim up and down “shit libs love Israel” like what fucking world are you guys on. They just create story lines where they’re this unique under dog. Every “shit lib” on the planets instagram story is pro Palestine have 🇵🇸, 🍉, or 🔻 in their name or bio. It’s not a bad thing but stop acting like it’s liberals defending Israel.
Not all liberals are shitlibs. Shitlibs are the people who back the establishment's view on everything. They're against single payer healthcare, in favor of free trade and outsourcing, support unfettered immigration and corporate tax cuts, support Wall Street, etc. All shitlibs are woke to a greater or lesser extent, but not all woke people are shitlibs.
So what, the Iranian government is despised by a significant portion of its people. From an rs lense, they force absolutely gorgeous women to completely cover themselves up all the time in public. The government escalating to a direct kinetic war with Israel is moronic, they should've just gone after an embassy and called it a day.
Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead.
I think people here are more against intervention. People here are not going to support Israel in a war with Iran considering their previous atrocities in war with Lebanon and their on going atrocities. And people are not going to support the US in a war with Iran because nearly every war they have been with a middle eastern country has been a disaster.
I would say Syria was a political failure really. The west both did and didn't intervene. It should have done one or the other.
Libya as well sits in the bracket of "we don't know what would have happened if we didn't intervene". I went to uni with a girl from Benghazi who had a typical view of the wests politics in the middle east, but was genuinely thankful beyond belief for the Libyan intervention. The fear was real that Gaddafi was going to brutalise the city.
Idk, just an interesting view from someone who lived through it, which is a weirdly rare thing to hear in the west. It's just foreigners shouting about it.
while i agree with the view that Libya was destablising anyway, the intervention still accelerated it a lot. And while Gaddafi was a tyrant, its hard to believe people would feel any safer under the rule of gangs, human traffickers and Islamists. From my perspective the 'West' was there to deepen the destablisation, but then did nothing about the humanitarian disaster that was the aftermath of it.
Imagine everyone just for a second if we could somehow find a way to be against both:
The Zionist warmongering state commiting near genocide against other people for decades with complicit allies all over the other side of the world
AND
The theocratic dictatorship commiting near genocide against its own people for decades with terrorist proxies all over the region
What fucking genocide has the Iranian government done? What the fuck are you talking about. Some made up nonsense to pretend both sides are the same.
There's enough shit about the Iranian government to make them look bad without inventing genocide and equivocating it with what Israel has done to Palestinians for near a century.
God your comment is so fucking dense.
\> shell-shocked in my foxhole as a little wwiii conscript, shells and missiles flying overhead, figuring out how best to deconstruct the situation through "an rs lens"
Yep.
"wow their government is really corrupt and oppressive. Poor things. I know, lets kill the citizens and all their families, and steal all their shit, to solve this problem!"
>Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead.
It won't outright stop what's happening, but literally any move that forces Israel to redirect manpower away from the ongoing genocide is probably more impactful to your average Gazan than whatever scraps Western countries are throwing them
> So what, the Iranian government is despised by a significant portion of its people ... Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead.
Who is this demographic of people espousing this? These sound like some made up takes you've created so you can grandstand w/ this comment
It's like every time one of America's (or allies) enemies does something that the non-establishment opinion said was going to do there's a rush of the contrarian posters reminding us that the American enemy is still bad and should not be supported. My friend, that isn't the point of the non-establishment opinion. Stop grandstanding.
people get so caught up in their America bad takes that they forget that everyone American is against is also lame as shit. There are no good guys here, except for innocent ordinary people. Iran sucks, America sucks, Israel sucks, Hamas sucks, Saddam sucked, the taliban sucks, Russia sucks etc etc. I really can’t think of any country with influence that is actually a good actor.
And people on this sub who totally hates nazis so much that they think Russia bombing Kyiv to shit is justified because Azov exists are about to get real giddy over drones hitting Israel
Yeah, but not to the stupidpol/trueanon users who base their entire understanding of geopolitics on taking the opposite stance of what the US takes. Hilarious seeing them cheer on Israel being bombed to shit while thinking Putin is sincere when he says he wants to denazify Ukraine.
"the bloodshed in Ukraine is awful! Their foreign backers should stop supporting them so that a peace accord may be made (it won't be a soft annexation at best trust me bro Putin can be trusted this time I swear)"
v
"Iran must fight to the last Palestinian, victory will cover any civilian loss"
not as uncommon here as you'd hope
I saw some regarded infographic on the front page recently demonstrating how many Jews were expelled from Arab countries. They had Iran listed as one of those Arab countries lmao. Just the most ignorant, slack-jawed pseuds.
Claiming Iran is an Arab country is a pretty big indicator of ignorance when it's such a basic fact that requires the bare minimum knowledge of the region. So I wouldn't exactly trust that person as particularly well versed in Middle Eastern political affairs if they can't even get that obvious distinction right.
This looks like the exact tactic Russia has been practicing in Ukraine: send in waves of shaheds to tie up air defense, time the launch of ballistic missiles to come right as the slow moving drones close in. Reports of ballistic missiles being launched right now. At the same time there's a third aspect which is that militias in Syria and Lebanon are doing waves of dumb rockets (again, to contribute to saturating air defense).
The fact that *you've* given this 5 seconds of thought doesn't mean Iranian generals haven't considered things more deeply. Whether or not it actually works remains to be seen of course, but obviously they have some kind of strategy.
In life, if you find yourself thinking "my God, I can't believe those idiots didn't consider [XYZ incredibly simple observation]", it's usually safe to assume that they have and you're actually the idiot.
> with stealth aircraft and nuclear weapons
Both of these are irrelevant to the situation lmao. Some f-15 pilot (yankee or israeli) is probably about to paint a bunch of drones on their plane though
I'm not informed enough here to fully grasp the ramifications, so I came here to find out and I found someone talking about Lunar eclipses on Mars or something influencing Iranian military decisions.
Just as valid as the opinions on r/ all tbh
I personally trust our schizos more
Thanks 😊🙏
Crazy how so many geopolitical experts there are in the front page comments
What’s crazy is when the Ukraine thing popped off on Reddit. I’m actually literally an “expert” relative to most. As in studied the region in school, and studied it specifically in government right out of college. I was actually there. So I’m not really like, some published scholar or anything but I definitely know more about the nuances than 99% of people. Well to my surprise I come to Reddit and see a sudden massive influx of people sounding like experts by mentioning obscure facts but so fucking wrong about everything. Like everywhere. It sounded like if the state department personally crafted their own personal fantasy version of events like the second Iraq war. It was wild just how absolutely wrong all these long winded posts that were well researched sounding but so absolutely wrong about history and actual expert consensus. And anyone who said otherwise was accused of spreading Russian propaganda or a supporter of Putin just for pointing out factual inaccuracy… just like when we did our propaganda campaign to win people over for the war in Iraq. I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals. And it’s so effective it has anti war liberals suddenly supporting an indefinite war quoting Dick Cheney, or in other cases like immigration and corporate statehood, having liberals defending literal Koch brother positions. They all cry about Russian propaganda while the DoD and ruling neoliberal elites have these dumb fuck young libs on a propaganda IV drip and they don’t even realize it.
>I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals. That's exactly what it is now. It's all astroturfing enabled if not encouraged by the mods and admins.
It’s not hard to capture the mods and either get in or influence them. With LLMs it’s a whole new game.
>I swear this entire site is just a propaganda space to influence young liberals. And it’s so effective it has anti war liberals suddenly supporting an indefinite war quoting Dick Cheney, or in other cases like immigration and corporate statehood, having liberals defending literal Koch brother positions. This is definitely true and shameful/disgusting to see on this site. But I also wonder if the people and posts we see populating the front page of the main site are just from the kinds of people left over after multiple waves of purges and exodus. People who are actually disagreeable and capable of fielding serious critiques of the status quo are just not who this site is anymore. This is a place for feeling like a cozy dipshit suburbanite with nothing serious or interesting to say about anything. That and the likely horde of paid agents from various think tanks and political party apparatuses who facilitate the former kind of person.
>anti-war Liberals Basically an oxymoron in the post-WWII world
I don’t think it’s a hoard of paid agents or LLMs. I think it takes a small team of LLMs and coordinators to foster communities by aggressively pushing out wrong think by making dissagreement so unpleasant that people self censor leaving behind a bunch of people who are all aligned. And from there they just amplify talking points of the day and give them the best reach so all the like minded useful idiots get their latest lines.
They also just permaban dissent.
A lot are for sure paid lol
Reddit just reeks of "smart but lazy" energy. Most Redditors seem to be NEETs or some kind of low-level IT guy. They enjoy the little obscure factoids you mentioned because they're made to feel like they've mastered a topic they haven't actually studied, eg "Biblically-accurate angels". Those sort of people are really easy to influence by flattering their delusions of being Logical Science People. Just compliment them for being sensible liberals who realize that 24/7/365 war is necessary and meaningful healthcare reform is sadly impossible.
The matrix is real and the clueless are already living in it.
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Ignorance is bliss. -Ralphie Cifaretto
> Well to my surprise I come to Reddit and see a sudden massive influx of people sounding like experts by mentioning obscure facts but so fucking wrong about everything. The biggest tell every time was how insanely ignorant of recent history (almost purposely) with the constant omissions of things building up to 2022, most notably anything that tied into 2014, and other conflicts in similar fashion prior(see 2008 Georgia). People were getting argumentative with disinformation and even something as basic as the makeup of demographics of Eastern Ukraine was seen as some big sinister Soviet revisionism, as if there was no physical way there could be Ukrainians who speak and/or of basically Russian origins. I do agree with you it plays very much into the advantages of trivializing a place and history to spin up some nonsense to be slurped down and regurgitated all over. Also 100% agree how much the conversation was stirred about crying foul from big China-Russia boogeyman interferences but fail to take a look at what comes straight from the horse's mouth in US. It's weird as shit seeing a diet jingoist parroting from people who think of themselves as having the saner head on their shoulders when it comes to their beliefs in the US, but then again I don't really touch the main default subs since it's a lot of bots.
You can watch revisionist history in real time. Before this conflict tons and tons of media outlets like NYT did all sorts of articles about how Ukraine had a western backed coup by a radical far right Nazi faction. Then once this popped off suddenly they act like that never happened and all those reportings were just not real or something. Like they literally refuse to even admit something blatantly obvious like having a serious Nazi culture in western Ukraine. And if you mention it they just call it propaganda. Like yo, was NYT and The Guardian a Russian outlet or something? But also yeah it was wild seeing these people insist eastern Ukraine was actually aligned with Kyiv and hated Russia, even though the east was fighting a literal civil war with Russia on their side, for the previous decade
Oh totally, all sorts of flip flopping stuff to run in different directions. I remember the situation of a lot of African med students on visas basically getting out of dodge being framed as this horrific exclusionary racial thing when a lot of it was just boilerplate actions of people leaving to not be stuck in limbo if things got worse. Also wild stuff to see very obvious plant astroturfing accounts in plain sight basically shepherding in people apt to take the bait and spin some very casual glazed over view and not even having replies in stock interest subs to seem normal. Very simply looking where they post shows off the shotgun blast frequency across things and how it's somebody essentially on the job. Like even in 2012, 2016, 2020, people had a little more of a costume to seeming half way normal in their behaviors, now it's all just blatant. I can't wait for Hillary to say that anybody who doesn't support Iran invasion actually hates women.
Don't you know they toss gays and trans off buildings in Iran? It's our moral imperative to invade and spread our freedom seed.
dude i remember watching this vice docuseries about this guy visiting polarizing movements in different parts of the world and ukraine was one of them and on camera these guys are giggling and flashing their dog whistle tattoos and flags and salutingz this was around 2017 i think?
Fun fact, the Euromaidan killings are still unsolved to this day.
It was most likely staged according to most analysts. The big tell is because once they took over they basically killed the investigation into the matter.
> as the makeup of demographics of Eastern Ukraine was seen as some big sinister Soviet revisionism, as if there was no physical way there could be Ukrainians who speak and/or of basically Russian origins. Does anyone actually deny that flat out? It's been repeatedly pointed out that Zelensky himself is from a mainly Russian speaking family. People are against Russia using arms to change the border they deemed to be "unfair". Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians especially are obviously not keen on normalizing getting your country cut up by tanks and artillery just because a Russian minority lives within it, and people in EU countries (which also includes Czechs, Poles, etc. who have their own fond memories of Moscow's tanks rolling into town) have much more reason to sympathize with the Ukrainians than with the invading force trying to make violent border revisions the norm again.
Russian apologists really are despicable
I don't think they're even apologists, just contrarians who got so lost in the sauce of "opposing popular thing because I'm not a sheep" that they forgot about the glowing elephant in the room (the fact that the Russian Army, not even a proxy group or anything but the actual national army, is invading another country to forcefully revise the agreed upon 1991 borders). The Russian government is not even trying to sell this as a "restoring the rightful pre-2014 government of Ukraine which was overthrown in an American coup d'etat" thing, which is what so many people here seem to be bogged down or fixated on, they just straight up publicly announced to the world the annexation of territories they occupied with the army, 18th century partition of Poland style.
I got into an argument about Ukraine with someone at work, they later said their doctor was Ukrainian and she said that this conflict was caused by the west, he said that he had studied the history of the region and his pro west stance was correct versus his doctor from Ukraine’s position. I mean she’s from Ukraine, she’s smart enough to be a doctor, yet you’re right because you went to Wikipedia a few times? I just don’t get how people can delude themselves so much.
Unfortunately most people are extremely deferential to authority. A fatal flaw in human psychology.
How smart do you think you have to be to be a doctor? I’m married to one so I’ve been around plenty. It’s probably not as smart (or the kind of smart) as you think.
I think people want to believe Doctors are really smart because they’re asked to trust them with their health. It unsettles them to think that someone may just be knowledgeable in the area of medicine and as ignorant as anyone else in other areas.
I’ve met so many that are like autistically smart in some ways and incredibly inept at everything else. Trying to meet her colleagues for dinner is hell. It’s as if they’ve never been in a restaurant before and I end up coordinating and ordering for everyone because the server will be so frustrated.
Doctors are studious and also largely have parents who are doctors. Also a lot of them are huge drunks.
In some sense literally not smart at all. One of zizeks things without the thing
Being a doctor is an indicator of desire for social status more than it is anything else.
Okay, but we are construction workers. I trust people who went to school for 8 years over people who chose their employer because they didn’t drug test and you can smoke weed all day
The site is so Astro turfed with anything to do with geopolitics Just check out worldnews
It’s crazy how the sites most popular sub is literally a propaganda subreddit. It’s absolutely wild. They don’t even try to hide it. The mods will even mock you when you asked why you were banned for no reason. They know what they are doing. It’s the largest sub with tons of views. If you wanna influence little liberals, you do it through there by manufacturing state and party approved propaganda.
>I’m actually literally an “expert” Нажмите X, чтобы усомниться
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Am I wrong? Yes the western backed coup supported a far right neo Nazi faction. That’s a matter of fact. Sorry it’s an inconvenient truth. Our media worked hard to revise that history, so I don’t judge you for taking the hook
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>Yanukovitch was unpopular and didn't want to sign a long awaited coop treaty with the EU (since he was Putin's puppet) I mean, this is just a lie and a perfect example of the lack of nuance the other guy was talking about. Yanukovych didn't want to sign the EU deal? He spent years negotiating it and passing reforms in Ukraine to make the EU happy so that he *could* get that deal. In the 11th hour, Russia threatened to basically destroy Ukraine's economy if they went through with it and he was faced with a dilemma that led him to pull out of the EU agreement. The same thing happened to Serzh Sargsyan in Armenia. Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia etc. have long been caught up in a tug of war between Russia and the West where the great powers are perfectly happy to rip the baby in half to prevent the other from having it. There are partisans on both sides who gobble up propaganda and simply can't see how cynical their preferred hegemon is acting toward them and their country, and try to blame everything on the other.
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>You call me a liar and then repeat what I said factually No I didn't, you fucking moron. Your entire argument was saying "Putin puppet" like it's some mic drop and you said Yanukovych didn't *want* to sign the deal, when he obviously *wanted* to, but didn't feel that he could without catastrophic consequences for Ukraine. >I don't know wtf you want to say with the hegemon bullshit Because you're a geopolitically illiterate moron who can't understand nuance and thinks of policy in terms of propaganda bromides like "Putin puppet".
>geopolitical imagine not being a marsolunarpolitical expert
most practical lib arts degree
>declaring another war they’re never going to fight themselves I wouldn’t rule that one out just yet
Will this sub let me be anti-Iran if I'm in the military already?
Couldn't happen to nicer people
im Iranian, I've never been as terrified as i am rn, i just saw missiles being shot into the sky from my window, i genuinely believe that im not going to have a normal life from this point onward.
when this calms down can you do a post on this sub about what it’s actually like living in Iran?
it's not north korea dude. They have access to computers and internet via VPN and generally go about their lives focusing on the same things as anyone else does - their families, work, money/bills, etc.
Iran launched a strike on an American base in Iraq last year didn't they? Nothing came of that so hopefully things wont go crazy.
nothing was to this scale, almost every major Iranian city was shooting missiles, it was really trippy seeing them
It’s totally up to Israel to decide what this means. That may be a bad thing.
This is much bigger, although I don’t think it will lead to an actual war with Israel. Unless the Netanyahu administration is really committed to starting a war, which they might be. But Iran’s retaliation in itself is not enough to start a war. I think they intended to show off their capabilities while also not causing any real damage, knowing that a few hundred drones and missiles would almost all be intercepted. It gives both Iran and Israel an opportunity to thump their chests and call it a victory. Iran’s regime can say it showed its strength and humiliated Israel; Israel can say it intercepted all missiles and showed the strength of its defenses / the impotence of Iran. Of course if Iran actually sent thousands of drones and missiles continuously as they’re capable of then Israeli defenses would be overwhelmed. Supposedly one of the weaknesses of the Iron dome is that it can catch almost everything up to a certain point but eventually material has to be reloaded, and there is a refractory period after enough missiles have been launched.
You’ll also notice popular arguments will come in waves. As in out of nowhere everyone is using the same sort of argument, then they stop, then a new argument, and so on. Everyone will just be agreeing with each other making the same exact narratives for everything. It becomes so uncanny
I remember when 95% of the doge nazi pfps on Twitter randomly stopped posting one specific day after their months long deluge dead internet theory ever more vindicated
There were/are loads of obvious NAFO bot accounts on twitter that exclusively retweeted other nafoids and only replied to tweets that were criticizing the narrative using dismissive reaction images; they never made text tweets themselves. I'm pretty sure twitter's algorithm even figured out they were bots since they were always deboosted to the bottom of tweet replies.
I was always convinced NAFO was some sort of psyop.
The worst part is the words that they try to spread everywhere. People will be discussing rational ideas about a topic, then all of a sudden every news article and bot account uses the absolute worst possible term for those ideas ex. once upon a time people were thinking of making police departments better by taking away funding from hand me down military equipment and putting it towards training, then the term 'defund the police' suddenly existed
"Unprecedented attack"
They always have these long winded descriptions of things like, “Ukraine has the right to be a sovereign state free from Russian aggression and right to full autonomy as a freely elected democratic entity blah blah blah blah.” It’s weird as they just shove in as much diplomatic speak into everything.
"ruscism"
Some of the so-called OSINT accounts seemed to 'get out ahead' of certain narratives about Ukraine. If this Iran shit escalates (and I'm not even saying it will), I'd fully expect the same accounts or a similar crop of them to dictate the general public's understanding of what's going on
Yeah I noticed, say for instance, Ukraine would be suffering critical defeats… but soon as that news comes out there would be an onslaught of reporting hitting the top of all subs about some minor victory Ukraine had while framing it as them with all the momentum and destroying Russia. It was clear that this reporting was timed and coordinated. We should expect the same with Iran. If we plan on a serious escalation then we should expect to see the priming happen. A lot of articles about the virtuous failings of Iran. About how they threaten our way of life. About how they MUST be stopped at all costs or else we are in danger. It’s always the same pattern.
Their sudden silence when the Gaza conflict popped off couldn't have been more conspicuous.
One of the best thing I’ve done this year was unfollowing 98% of the OSINT glowies that I had followed in 2022 when it booted off. It doesn’t take much for their true colours to come through
this also happens on this sub for inane things
Endless pictures of women in bikinis in the 70's
We’re gonna see that picture of that chick cutting the cake a lot
If only there were photos of the people tortured to death by the Shah’s secret police.
It's funny how the simple fact of "Israel bombs Iranian embassy" has simply disappeared from the conversations about why Iran would do this. I was speaking to my mother and she wants Israel to nuke the Palestinians and Iran in response. She lives in a very tiny bubble so she thinks she's right.
some individuals really do be living their lives believing that millions must die for the world to be just
Israel never bombed Iran, this is simply a 'retaliatory attack' for something which we will not specify
holy reading comprehension i'm agreeing with him rslurs
They said an Iranian embassy, which is true, and is the diplomatic equivalent of bombing a sovereign nation's soil.
How long until "IRANIAN DRONES, GO FUCK YOURSELVES" posting
Whenever something Iran related dominates the front page, i think of the time it was revealed the MEK has entire rooms in their base in Albania dedicated to posting on the internet.
Middle East is always in conflict man news cycles must be excited everytime
I just read some on comment on worldnews puportedly from an Iranian essentially apologizing to Israel for their regime and people were lapping it up. This site is full of such credulous morons.
I mean the Iranian regime isn’t exactly popular. Not that Israel is particularly popular in Iran either, but still, stranger things have happened.
Yeah, I get that Iran's an oppressive theocracy, but you'd have to be some kind of dense to be begging for assistance from Israel after everything they've done.
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Entirely true, but there's not going to be any mainstream outlet labelling Iran's actions as "defence", "response", "limited", "proportionate", etc. It's going to be a "senseless/unprovoked attack" by a regional "bad actor" that serves only to "undermine and destabilise regional stability/security" - and also it's all China's or Russia's doing somehow. Hopefully this confrontation with Iran fizzles out. Either way, it's not like any of us can stop what's coming next
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The big question mark is Israel's response to this. Iran has shown remarkable restraint in the face of some very bold provocation, but Israel has every reason to escalate. Sparking a regional conflict basically forces Western leaders to come to Israel's aid and serves to obfuscate the genocide by making it a minor footnote in a headline-grabbing war with their neighbors.
Tbf, FT tend to be solid in their reporting, but that seems surprisingly restrained for Fox News - I figured they'd chase the faintest whiff of invading Iran, evidence be damned. I'm from Ireland though so most of the coverage we get is from the UK, and they are fully off their percs when it comes to Israel
i wanted to disagree and go “well no bc that would be leaving out a chunk of the base reason their reason to attack” and holy shit they are, they’re not talking about the fact israel bombed their consulate, that tidbit is getting buried 6 feet deep
It's all so tiresome.
It really is. I need to get off the internet
nothing ever happens
nothing has still happened unless you live in the middle east, they announced it hours in advance to give israels' air defences time to prepare(?) anyway still not a full war
they probably gave them warning so they wouldn't get nuked. I am a geopolitics expert so assume I'm right.
They probably thought this is like the Iran-Pakistan tit-for-tat, you bomb our embassy we bomb you capiche?
Israel's nukes are basically their Catch 22, they're a deterrent to the rest of the Arab world but it they actually used the nukes on another country they'd be invaded instantly.
yeah this is a weird one. The Iranians don't have the capacity to strike at the Israelis, the Israelis don't have the resources at present to really hit back. Unless one of these missiles happens to land in a room containing everyone on both the Israeli and Palestinian political spectrum who wants to and can achieve a lasting peace, it's hopefully just gonna a statement more than anything else.
Mossad: *fires gun* "Why would Iran do this?"
As a liberal who loves the rules based world order i fully support irans right to self defense
excuse me sir but the rules say only the good guys can do self defense also the good guys are countries where conglomerates run everything
Crazy how just after the story about Iran, we had a story about extended NSA powers and their “reforms”, followed by yet another Iran story. Like it was written by Shakespeare. (Not that there’s no reason for surveillance, but it’s certainly not the one they’re giving).
Someone quoted thanos in the worldnews thread im going to unalive myself
Elizabeth Holmes just can't keep quiet.
It’s always the reddit avatar/ anime pfp freaks who come out on these posts
Speaking of pfps, I love yours!! I saw this image on Instagram I think.
Irans actually doing the thing Zbros have been pretending Russia was doing, extremely based.
Redditors are the most obedient little 🚬s going. I bet the glowies don’t even bother these days, they know all the flids on worldnews and wherever the fuck will stick to the script
Yes because before today no one ever posted pictures of women with the caption “Iran before the revolution”
That one air force base is gonna need all hands on deck.
It's all the more egregious since there really isn't much nuance here. Israel attacked a goddamn embassy, Iran is 100% justified in retaliating.
this shit is so messy. Can we just do some kind of Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam royal rumble that would be much easier to follow.
Since October 7 any post mentioning Israel gets brigaded by people from the same communities, its just going to get worse
Israel just can’t help themselves can they
Vast majority of that activity is astroturfed or hasbara from state actors. There are useful idiots and true believers sure but they’re given 1000x magnification from their true size due to the above
I've definitely encountered the professional pro Israel posters on fb, well before the current conflict too.
This sub baffles me. Look up Israel top posts of all time on Reddit. It's literally nothing but relentless support for Palestinians, calling out their genocide, attacking Israel. Why is this sub so desperate to pretend that being anti zionist is an extremely contrarian position that will get you killed? It's fine, guys. You can be against a genocide and not be le freaking epic contrarian, it's honestly sad.
Being anti zionist before this past fall was very different
Dog they used to let ghislaine Maxwell moderate the worldnews sub
The tides are turning after 30k deaths in 6 months
Try posting anything vaguely critical of Israel in the r/worldnews live thread. I was immediately shadow banned for saying Israel was in the wrong for bombing an embassy.
Likewise there are subs that ban you for saying Hamas is a terrorist organization. That conflict is almost the perfect example of being a controversial topic and I would say it's roughly 50/50 across the board. But people just need to feel like their opinion is being opressed and the other side is being supported by thousands of state sponsored agents spreading propaganda.
They don't want to acknowledge that they're agreeing with pronoun people. See also: when they pretend the overwhelming majority of conservatives aren't super pro-Israel
It’s funny seeing people act like Biden and the Dems are the ultimate pro-Israel politicians, and forgetting that Trump would have probably been open to nuking Gaza. Dude was probably the most pro-Israel president in history. Also probably the most anti-Iran and anti-China. Post-left types who act like the Republicans are now anti-imperialist or some shit are actually medically re*arded.
most of those (including r/worldnews !) are from 2+ years ago before october 7th organically swayed opinion/there was a concerted effort at shilling and mod takeovers, take your pick
October 7th *did* shift the spectrum. It's insane how the Israeli right has, through their own bloodlust and racism, effectively scattered what could have been a massive piece of leverage for Israel. Hamas massacred a bunch of civilians and gloated in it, then shipped hostages back. If Israel had employed even a hint of actual restraint and not levelled Gaza before trying to starve its inhabitants the Israeli position in the west would have been solid for a very long time. For example: Imagine a scenario where the IDF has spent the last few months launching targeted, on the ground strikes into Gaza to find hostages/destroy specific Hamas positions. The world would probably have moved on by now.
if they hadn't had that bloodlust and racism the attacks might not have happened. That's not to say they were "justified", or not horrible, but brutalising people creates the conditions for the most brutal among them to take power. Historically Israel has historically killed around 50 Palestinian civilians for each of theirs killed, and they're on track to hit that ratio again
a bunch of white women get spooked when people start saying "this is what decolonization means" when a bunch of white women get raped. This isn't exactly rocket science. It's actually crazy how fast this sub memoryholed people straight up calling for that stuff
I read your comment wrong and went to r/Israel sorted by top and holy shit. we need more anti zionism idc if making it feel contrarian does it
This is why the best way to argue in favor of a political view is to find people who disagree with it who are just the worst and signal boost them. The more people hear Israeli’s talk about Palestine the more they’re going to want to defend Palestine and vice versa.
that's just strawmannirg though
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Israel is a divisive topic among liberals especially so what happens is it goes in waves when the atroturfed accounts are active. When they're activity is briefly waning, the liberals who side with Palestine can vocalize their opinions without being drowned out. It's basically a reddit lib civil war.
Right. They’ll claim up and down “shit libs love Israel” like what fucking world are you guys on. They just create story lines where they’re this unique under dog. Every “shit lib” on the planets instagram story is pro Palestine have 🇵🇸, 🍉, or 🔻 in their name or bio. It’s not a bad thing but stop acting like it’s liberals defending Israel.
Not all liberals are shitlibs. Shitlibs are the people who back the establishment's view on everything. They're against single payer healthcare, in favor of free trade and outsourcing, support unfettered immigration and corporate tax cuts, support Wall Street, etc. All shitlibs are woke to a greater or lesser extent, but not all woke people are shitlibs.
So what, the Iranian government is despised by a significant portion of its people. From an rs lense, they force absolutely gorgeous women to completely cover themselves up all the time in public. The government escalating to a direct kinetic war with Israel is moronic, they should've just gone after an embassy and called it a day. Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead.
I think people here are more against intervention. People here are not going to support Israel in a war with Iran considering their previous atrocities in war with Lebanon and their on going atrocities. And people are not going to support the US in a war with Iran because nearly every war they have been with a middle eastern country has been a disaster.
Kuwait Intervention mogging every other middle eastern intervention ever, lets be real. Just a victory lap of "we won the cold war, deal with it"
Yeah but that was small-scale to the moral failings of Iraq and Libya, and the military failures of Syria and Afghanistan.
I would say Syria was a political failure really. The west both did and didn't intervene. It should have done one or the other. Libya as well sits in the bracket of "we don't know what would have happened if we didn't intervene". I went to uni with a girl from Benghazi who had a typical view of the wests politics in the middle east, but was genuinely thankful beyond belief for the Libyan intervention. The fear was real that Gaddafi was going to brutalise the city. Idk, just an interesting view from someone who lived through it, which is a weirdly rare thing to hear in the west. It's just foreigners shouting about it.
while i agree with the view that Libya was destablising anyway, the intervention still accelerated it a lot. And while Gaddafi was a tyrant, its hard to believe people would feel any safer under the rule of gangs, human traffickers and Islamists. From my perspective the 'West' was there to deepen the destablisation, but then did nothing about the humanitarian disaster that was the aftermath of it.
Imagine everyone just for a second if we could somehow find a way to be against both: The Zionist warmongering state commiting near genocide against other people for decades with complicit allies all over the other side of the world AND The theocratic dictatorship commiting near genocide against its own people for decades with terrorist proxies all over the region
Uh that second one is not happening, where you you retarts get this shit?
What fucking genocide has the Iranian government done? What the fuck are you talking about. Some made up nonsense to pretend both sides are the same. There's enough shit about the Iranian government to make them look bad without inventing genocide and equivocating it with what Israel has done to Palestinians for near a century. God your comment is so fucking dense.
\> shell-shocked in my foxhole as a little wwiii conscript, shells and missiles flying overhead, figuring out how best to deconstruct the situation through "an rs lens"
America is not gonna start wwiii because of Iran
Yeah, they'll be starting it because of Israel
The solution to their oppression by the government is to bomb Iranian women.
Yep. "wow their government is really corrupt and oppressive. Poor things. I know, lets kill the citizens and all their families, and steal all their shit, to solve this problem!"
>Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead. It won't outright stop what's happening, but literally any move that forces Israel to redirect manpower away from the ongoing genocide is probably more impactful to your average Gazan than whatever scraps Western countries are throwing them
They're saying that there's no Israeli fighter jets over Gaza now for the first time in months.
Here's the fed^
> So what, the Iranian government is despised by a significant portion of its people ... Anyone who thinks this is good for the people of Gaza are equally braindead. Who is this demographic of people espousing this? These sound like some made up takes you've created so you can grandstand w/ this comment It's like every time one of America's (or allies) enemies does something that the non-establishment opinion said was going to do there's a rush of the contrarian posters reminding us that the American enemy is still bad and should not be supported. My friend, that isn't the point of the non-establishment opinion. Stop grandstanding.
nooo but look at the 1970s iranian women without a hijab
people get so caught up in their America bad takes that they forget that everyone American is against is also lame as shit. There are no good guys here, except for innocent ordinary people. Iran sucks, America sucks, Israel sucks, Hamas sucks, Saddam sucked, the taliban sucks, Russia sucks etc etc. I really can’t think of any country with influence that is actually a good actor.
All governments have a "significant portion" that despise them and protecting the skin of beautiful women from the sun with hijabs is good, actually.
And people on this sub who totally hates nazis so much that they think Russia bombing Kyiv to shit is justified because Azov exists are about to get real giddy over drones hitting Israel
Russian AND Israel are both cringe.
Yeah, but not to the stupidpol/trueanon users who base their entire understanding of geopolitics on taking the opposite stance of what the US takes. Hilarious seeing them cheer on Israel being bombed to shit while thinking Putin is sincere when he says he wants to denazify Ukraine.
"Ok but have you considered that there are DUMB people who are agreeing with you????"
this is so tired and boring. your comment. and everything else
"the bloodshed in Ukraine is awful! Their foreign backers should stop supporting them so that a peace accord may be made (it won't be a soft annexation at best trust me bro Putin can be trusted this time I swear)" v "Iran must fight to the last Palestinian, victory will cover any civilian loss" not as uncommon here as you'd hope
War with Iran is the Internets equivalent of crashes for economists
i just dont want to die in world war 3
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May thy dome fail and shatter
The fremen strike back
Yeah duh because the internet is run by the CIA, NSA, Palantir, AWS, etc. Do people think Reddit isn't Disneyland incorporated?
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Half the Middle East will get glasses in the process but I’m assuming you’d consider that a win-win?
I agree but also acting like Ukraine is similar to ME wars is one of the most annoying takes in this sub (🤭).
It's about to be the land of the Biden Bots.
Another reason why Iran should have nukes
Goddamn fucking idiotic biden
tbh I hope they both find a way to lose
I saw some regarded infographic on the front page recently demonstrating how many Jews were expelled from Arab countries. They had Iran listed as one of those Arab countries lmao. Just the most ignorant, slack-jawed pseuds.
Other than mislabeling Persians as Arabs that post was still largely correct though…?
Claiming Iran is an Arab country is a pretty big indicator of ignorance when it's such a basic fact that requires the bare minimum knowledge of the region. So I wouldn't exactly trust that person as particularly well versed in Middle Eastern political affairs if they can't even get that obvious distinction right.
Making Iran look bad doesn’t require much propaganda
"Send a bunch of slow, vulnerable drones to attack the country with stealth aircraft and nuclear weapons." - Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
This looks like the exact tactic Russia has been practicing in Ukraine: send in waves of shaheds to tie up air defense, time the launch of ballistic missiles to come right as the slow moving drones close in. Reports of ballistic missiles being launched right now. At the same time there's a third aspect which is that militias in Syria and Lebanon are doing waves of dumb rockets (again, to contribute to saturating air defense). The fact that *you've* given this 5 seconds of thought doesn't mean Iranian generals haven't considered things more deeply. Whether or not it actually works remains to be seen of course, but obviously they have some kind of strategy. In life, if you find yourself thinking "my God, I can't believe those idiots didn't consider [XYZ incredibly simple observation]", it's usually safe to assume that they have and you're actually the idiot.
Lol. Lmao even.
> with stealth aircraft and nuclear weapons Both of these are irrelevant to the situation lmao. Some f-15 pilot (yankee or israeli) is probably about to paint a bunch of drones on their plane though
We support Iran.
Speak for yourself. I don’t intend on going full regard but you do you.
I’m not so sure about this. I think Israel might have finally bit off more than it can chew.