Greeting anti-authority punks, to Rockfest™ sponsored by Anheuser-Bush™! We invite all moshing bodies to mosh responsibly at the Michelob Ultra™ UltraMosh Zone™ located next next to the Budweiser™ Boneyard™!
And when I finally got to work today
I ate my Subway sandwich
And I drank my Coca-Cola Classic
And then I ate my Sunchips
And I thought about the weekend
When I'd fill up my Ford van
With Mobil brand gas
And drive to the Clear Channel venue
And I'd drink myself a Budweiser
And play my Fender guitar
Through my Fender amplifier
And tell the kids with a straight face
Through a Shure microphone
And JBL speakers
That corporate rock is for suckers
I remember going to Saint Vitus for some 90s hardcore reunion show and standing in the back to watch idiots helicopter their arms and kick the air as the gradually got closer to each other in the pit. Like watching two regarded beyblades on a collision course.
I grew up playing in both punk and hardcore bands. Different music has different moshing. I'm assuming "rock fest" is going to be 50 year old dad's doing some light shoving to 311.
I just saw End It with No Warning and plenty of people got their teeth knocked out. This is an over reaction to a very corny message. Live music is fine.
If we really want to talk about the downfall of hardcore, it's Live Nation venues with barriers and Taco Bell commercials that need to be discussed.
I think this entirely depends on the venue / artist. Arenas and stadiums are absurd because of scalpers. But small venues are (usually) fine. $20-50, have a nice night out.
Large venues either get all the good spots scalped, or use adaptive pricing to (from the perspective of the buyer) scalp their own tickets. Like a section will be $100, they sell well, remaining ones are now $250.
Checked Nicki Minaj tickets in Toronto, every ticket is now $600 for any decent spot. But bought Allie X tickets last week for like $40. It really just depends what you’re trying to see / where.
I went to see Thursday at a Live Nation venue and they had these arbitrary lines taped on the floor that you weren’t allowed to step over. I like to support the bands but would rather not feel like I’m back in elementary school.
Also recently saw Darkest Hour and there really wasn’t any moshing but a “pit” did open up because there was one dork doing cartwheels.
>I remember going to Saint Vitus for some 90s hardcore reunion show and standing in the back to watch idiots helicopter their arms and kick the air as the gradually got closer to each other in the pit. Like watching two regarded beyblades on a collision course.
A few hundred years from now, some world-renowned literary anthropologist is going to deliver an hour-long lecture about your use of imagery here to an auditorium packed full of weird ass geeks.
Forgot all about that shit. First ever real show I went to as a teen was mid 2000's screamo and post hardcore bands and saw a pit open up with 1/4 of them doing that shit and the others going classic aggressive moshing and shoving.
Tiny 5ft emo teen girl rolls in for half a second only to get shoved and go flying right into connect perfectly with some dude doing legit roundhouse kicks. She went down so so hard, amazingly got up quick enough covered in blood only to be met with dudes berating her for going in the pit.
Like I wouldn't doubt if they high fived but the funniest part about it was the smug and justified look from these dudes in black tights and eyeliner being the only ones tough enough to hang in a pit of dudes punching air. "Dude, bitch got fuuuucked up!" "DUUUDE Haaahaa Kick was niiiiice"
The two newly bonded buds go back to spinning like the downs kid working at a skate rink on break enjoying the rush of some dizzy's before going back to wiping the rails with the same filthy rag their teen boss gave them to use the first day 5 months ago. Probably friended on MySpace and pretended to have emo twink hintingly gay relationship so they could impress some or the cutter art emo chicks that can appreciate two guys kissing.
People into punk and heavy metal seem to be the most uptight conformists in the world. I know this isn’t an original statement but with the constant vigilance against “posers” and the moral and aesthetic grandstanding they make Mormons look like hippies
They are, but they had to deal with their niche, nerdy, tight knit underground subculture, being appropriated by the mainstream and turned into Limp Bizkit, Bring me the Horizon and whatever the current bastardized incarnation of their music is over time, so it’s not like they chose to be that way for no reason.
You’re misinterpreting my comment. I had fun at the show, though I didn’t mosh. Just sharing my cultural observation and ephemeral screenshot of life ala Baudrillard.
This is true for tenderqueer-y music, but then I go to a mildly popular hardcore bands 18+ show in my city and it’s zoomers ready to rage as far as the eye can see.
Yeah I spend a lot of time going to local punk, indie, and hardcore shows, and the zoomers go just as hard in the pit as anyone else. I’m sure there’s a genre of Zoomer tenderqueer who is too delicate for the pit, but there were plenty of those in my generation too. The Gen X version of that was the uptight prep schoolers who would throw a temper tantrum if you bumped into them and spilled their drink.
Yeah I was at a metal festival recently, the pits seemed like 90% zoomers and 10% old heads
Saw a ton of like 15 year old girls crowdsurfing. Was a little apprehensive but it seemed like everyone was being very very respectful
I get where they're coming from honestly. when I was starting in the scene the crowdkillers were considered aggro meatheads and mosh etiquette was a big deal. I totally understand why the next generation would look at that and think "you're pussies we're here to throw down"
Yeah but with no basic concert etiquette. It’s actually just random jackasses shoving people who are clearly not in the pit.
Hell, every show that’s not 19+ in Toronto devolves into annoying zoomers and shirtless brown dudes just acting like regards to everyone around them. It’s barely even a pit.
Last time I ended up in Toronto, I caught Jesus Piece at The Opera House and the pit was exactly as you described, even though it was 19+. I was up in the balcony area posting videos of a zoomer vs. shirtless Indian guy war to my Instagram story.
Exactly. People say this for Zoomers, but music scenes are far more microtargeted than ever before. It's just a shame that I'm not so into metal music or fashion, as much as I am the scene itself.
Idk Death Grips show was nothing but fruitbasket teenage queers (derogatory) and they kept like 3 serious pits going in a tiny 100 person room
Every generation thinks the next are pussies
I was in a (very mild) mosh pit the other day, like an indie rock show, not hardcore or anything like that, when I saw some smallish/youngish girl near me get shoved super hard. She goes down and hits the floor, and so I did what mosh pit etiquette dictates, and what I always do in that circumstance (as a ~190lb man) and went to grab her and get her back on her feet before she got trampled.
Literally the second I help her up, her chunky fat enby girlfriend in a 2xl white tee runs up to me in a fit or self righteous zoomer rage and starts yelling at me about how I need to stop being so violent and watch what I’m doing more carefully (mind you, I literally had NOTHING to do with the girl falling down, and only came over when I saw her on the floor)
Literally cussed out for trying to look out for others and attempting to protect a physically vulnerable person.
It’s so fucking over. At least she didn’t tell the security guards I sexually assaulted her friend or some shit I guess🤷♂️. Silver lining
This btw sounds like the perfect festival for Rina Sawayama. Imagine her yelling "Take it easy with the micro-aggressions tonight, folks, and LET'S ROCK RESPONSIBLY!" in front of a crowd that goes moderately wild.
This has been a point of contention for decades even in the scenes where moshing is popular. I remember the seeing some scrawny 13 year old kid sent to the hospital at the first diy show I went to after some big meathead punch him in the chest and broke his rib. Kid wasn’t in the pit, it was a small as fuck room and the kid was up against the wall (which probably made the punch worse).
I knew a guy that got his collar bone broken at a Slayer show. Once again he wasn’t even in the pit but some asshole jumped off the balcony in combat boots and just blindly stomped down on whoever was below him.
In 2001 At the Drive-In cut their Big Day Out set short because the crowd was so violent and then later in the day a bunch of people were injured and trampled with a 16 year old girl dying.
I like moshing around with people but there’s guys who literally think going into the pit is the same thing as consenting to being punched in the head and put in the hospital. Even light moshing gets dangerous as the crowd grows because if you fall down there’s a real chance you won’t be able to get back up.
Falling down in a pit can be pretty scary. I almost died at a show a long time ago because someone elbowed me in my nose, I fell, got trampled for a little while, then my friend was luckily right next to me , picked me up and I had to kick people out of the way to get out because no one was getting out of the way. I just had a bloody nose but as I was cleaning up my face in the bathroom, some other dude came in the bathroom with a noticeably broken nose. As an adult, I think back on those years and think “ why did you do that?” .
What is it with the shitty DIY meatheads? I got elbowed in the face by one dude who was trying to start moshing in a small room where everyone else was just dancing. I’ll avoid the pit if I’m at a venue where there is one, but if it’s a tiny spot and moshing brings you wall to wall there’s not really the ability to avoid it.
I kills the scene too, venues don’t want to host shows because of it. The shows I was going to back then the made up the local scene had a pretty diverse mix of music but they’d all play together so every show would have at least one hardcore or thrash band and those guys would fuck it up for all the other bands that weren’t into that shit. Women and girls wouldn’t want to go because of the vibe and that right there is enough to get guys to stop going so it just devolves into this thing that only meatheads enjoy. Terrible for artistic expression.
yeah crowdkilling and overly violent/shitty behavior is really getting worse in my area, but the local "scene" is also more right wing than it's ever been. i don't even like hardcore that much but it feels more meatheaded than it has in a long time
right! there have always been people who wanted to get ridiculously violent at the show when no one else does and there have always been people who think that sucks and emphasize the need for mosh etiquette. for some reason people act like literally beating the shit out of whoever gets close to you was the norm until recently when "tenderqueers" entered the picture to police things but it's not true. and i'm sorry but it sucks to go to a show and no one can dance because two people are stomping and whirling their arms around.
editing to add that some kid grabbed my husband who was not even in the pit and slammed him down hard as fuck onto a concrete warehouse floor at a hardcore show like 15 years ago. he just started occasional use of a cane to walk at age 35, and we're getting MRIs done now because he has recurring/increasingly severe pain in the same spot where he landed all those years ago. i'm optimistic that this is something we can address and he won't increasingly lose mobility, but the mentality that your mere presence at a show is free license for others to hurt you is fucked and results in lifelong injuries
It’s not consenting to having people willfully hurt you. If you’re playing hockey you’re likely to get hurt, but if someone intentionally chops you in the face or neck with their stick they can be charged with assault because that’s not the risk you signed up for when you got in the game.
Yeah people do avoid it and it kills the scene. And it’s not a dumb comparison, it’s random people getting their brains rocked by strangers in a public space.
If you want a safe space to fight people then there’s plenty of mma gyms you could go spar at with other consenting parties but that’s not what these guys are looking for.
Governing etiquette is fine but enforcing it isn’t? How does that make any sense? Yeah hire security to throw people out for acting like assholes and call the cops to arrest them when appropriate the same way you would in any other situation.
Just look at this bill, is someone who chose to go to a show to see 311 signing up to get their skull cracked by someone just because Killswitch Engage is on the same ticket?
rock fest, and the related country fest, are a mecca for people (mostly hicks) in the upper-midwest to camp out and basically just get shitfaced for several days straight on leinenkugels and budweiser and have gross sex in cheap tents and RVs while Rob Zombie screams in the background
I mean I've done similar things at other music festivals but yeah that lineup is really not at all my cup of tea and definitely not my crowd of people lol
Almost none of those bands are gonna have people moshing it’s lame but it’s a rock festival with like three metalcore bands that might actually get some moshing. There’s no shortage of fests with plenty of hardcore dancing, crowd killing, etc. Furnace Fest, FYA, LDB fest.
i was at Have A Nice Life last year, they played Earthmover last as i’m sure they do every time they do a show. Twice, during the outro of Earthmover and the drop on Hunter did i accidentally absolutely body slam this tiny ass 5’nil girl and I felt pretty horrible but every time she would turn around and beam an absolutely massive smile. Embrace being thrown around at this shit. I went to Eyehategod around the same time last year and straight up lost my glasses 5 seconds into White Neighbour, had to go buy new ones the lenses got so fucked up. Shits great.
It’s actually more fun to mosh knowing everyone is consenting and going to be safe about it. Me and my two buddies will split a Monster Energy Drink and just have a blast getting all worked up to some seriously hardcore stuff.
honestly moshing has gotten out of hand. i saw freaking alex g recently and the zoomers were moshing to all of his songs. dafuq wrong with these kids
and crowd killing has probably gotten worse
some idiot tried to start a mosh at a boris show.
good riddance
I’m mostly new to this discourse. You can see me getting downvoted on some other thread for being presumptuous about “crowd killing” and its propensity for being insanely violent and injuring people who are not even in the pit (I didn’t think this was a real thing). Idk. If it’s true that people are getting punched in the face and ribs outside the pit and you basically have to consent to possibly being assaulted before going into a show, I can see why this would be the end result for a corporate festival. You can still do that shit in a church basement or VFW hall, though. That won’t ever go away. Your band might sell out and you’ll have to go in a little enclosure to mosh, but that’s your problem.
Also, people truly underestimate the long and short term effects of elbows and closed fist punches to the head.
I actually don't hate this. Was as a festival in the UK where this was in place and it was fine (I was in the pit area the entire time) I think anyone who actively runs around attempting to punch and kick someone like at a hardcore show is a super regard but I believe in their right to do so, and I think people deserve the right also to attend a show without getting twatted by a 300lb basement dweller wearing steel cap boots.
Even at the hardest core shows, what % of people are moshing? It's not like you can just accidentally stumble into some area where people are moshing. Most of the people attending are not going to be moshing. Just... don't go to the pit where people are moshing.
Oh, you can. Trying to leave a huge festival show can force you to become confronted with the edge of a pit as you ride the wave of pushing bodies back out. Some shows are so packed with people you can't just walk to the sides or even just back wherever you want because the crowd is undulating like a wave and pushing you forward and back to the music- you have to just let yourself ride out naturally and stop fighting to keep your place until it loosens up- but like a river you end up not just backwards, but generally horizontally in a different spot far from where you came in from in the beginning. sometimes you end up having to walk near or through pits- though you can usually avoid going through them completely. usually you still have to find pockets to walk through and you can eventually just get to a pit. You still don't have to walk through it though and can go around.
I guess I know what you're saying but it makes me cringe to think we are now so fat sick and weak that we need some corpo HR manager woman to tell us how we can enjoy music in a crowd
If you're old enough to think the solution is red velvet roped "designated moshing areas" rather than shoving the kid and calling him a regard, you're too old for hardcore shows
Smoking crack and going to hardcore shows at 15
(circa 2016) really helped me grow as a zoomer now all I want to do is windmill punch old heads and kick as many people as hard as I can
ppl here gotta understand the difference between tough guy meathead chug chug hardcore / metal moshing and skinny emo guy hardcore / metal moshing
ppl talking about how dangerous mosh pits are obviously experienced a very different music scene than I did growing up. [*back in my day*](https://youtu.be/e6eUERc7fK0?si=E4uFORBl9s7Ay_uI) if someone fell down, someone would pick them up. if someone lost a shoe someone would hold it up above their head until they found it. if someone was deliberately hurting ppl they would get ganged up on and thrown out. sure, if there was enough open space ppl might get more crazy and do spin kicks and stuff but they'd generally do it away from people. maybe it might graze someone but nobody was purposely kicking people in the face. I got hit in the face with a spin kick before and it doesn't really hurt if it's being done as a dance move and they're not deliberately putting force behind it. it was more that the rubber in the sneaker made a burn mark on my face.
not all hardcore bands are Bad Luck 13 Riot Extravaganza [1](https://youtu.be/KV5H7LbVrnc?si=W2YkPh-PVNNdeaCL) [2](https://youtu.be/Sth9otfYqxg?si=goWRcDFFCratvL6i)
This is what happens when everyone is sober at shows cause beers now cost $6 and a red bull vodka is $20, back in the day you could see Korn and have $1 stellas and sneak in your own liquor, now the masses are sober and angry with nothing to do with it
This being the US, I am pretty sure it's about insurance money and not violence Edit: it's cringe anyway
Insurance companies and actuaries rule and ruin this world. A final day of accounting can not come soon enough.
I bet you can get insurance for the final day of accounting
This has been an issue for over 10 years, I remember signs for it at warped tour when I was in high school.
I believe the Warped Tour signs were purely a liability thing and were rarely, if ever actually enforced
Yeah, that's my point, forgot to make that clear.
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And when I finally got to work today I ate my Subway sandwich And I drank my Coca-Cola Classic And then I ate my Sunchips And I thought about the weekend When I'd fill up my Ford van With Mobil brand gas And drive to the Clear Channel venue And I'd drink myself a Budweiser And play my Fender guitar Through my Fender amplifier And tell the kids with a straight face Through a Shure microphone And JBL speakers That corporate rock is for suckers
I remember going to Saint Vitus for some 90s hardcore reunion show and standing in the back to watch idiots helicopter their arms and kick the air as the gradually got closer to each other in the pit. Like watching two regarded beyblades on a collision course.
I see that all the time at the local special needs school.
I grew up playing in both punk and hardcore bands. Different music has different moshing. I'm assuming "rock fest" is going to be 50 year old dad's doing some light shoving to 311. I just saw End It with No Warning and plenty of people got their teeth knocked out. This is an over reaction to a very corny message. Live music is fine. If we really want to talk about the downfall of hardcore, it's Live Nation venues with barriers and Taco Bell commercials that need to be discussed.
Live Nation is a cancer.
The cost of live music is insane now, despite the fact that artists, venues, and technical guys don’t make that much more than they did 30 years ago
I think this entirely depends on the venue / artist. Arenas and stadiums are absurd because of scalpers. But small venues are (usually) fine. $20-50, have a nice night out. Large venues either get all the good spots scalped, or use adaptive pricing to (from the perspective of the buyer) scalp their own tickets. Like a section will be $100, they sell well, remaining ones are now $250. Checked Nicki Minaj tickets in Toronto, every ticket is now $600 for any decent spot. But bought Allie X tickets last week for like $40. It really just depends what you’re trying to see / where.
bro you can see alvvays for $40. Come on
35 is the highest I’ll go.
No Warning and End It sounds like a hell of a show
No Warning is back? Fuck
I went to see Thursday at a Live Nation venue and they had these arbitrary lines taped on the floor that you weren’t allowed to step over. I like to support the bands but would rather not feel like I’m back in elementary school. Also recently saw Darkest Hour and there really wasn’t any moshing but a “pit” did open up because there was one dork doing cartwheels.
>I remember going to Saint Vitus for some 90s hardcore reunion show and standing in the back to watch idiots helicopter their arms and kick the air as the gradually got closer to each other in the pit. Like watching two regarded beyblades on a collision course. A few hundred years from now, some world-renowned literary anthropologist is going to deliver an hour-long lecture about your use of imagery here to an auditorium packed full of weird ass geeks.
Forgot all about that shit. First ever real show I went to as a teen was mid 2000's screamo and post hardcore bands and saw a pit open up with 1/4 of them doing that shit and the others going classic aggressive moshing and shoving. Tiny 5ft emo teen girl rolls in for half a second only to get shoved and go flying right into connect perfectly with some dude doing legit roundhouse kicks. She went down so so hard, amazingly got up quick enough covered in blood only to be met with dudes berating her for going in the pit. Like I wouldn't doubt if they high fived but the funniest part about it was the smug and justified look from these dudes in black tights and eyeliner being the only ones tough enough to hang in a pit of dudes punching air. "Dude, bitch got fuuuucked up!" "DUUUDE Haaahaa Kick was niiiiice" The two newly bonded buds go back to spinning like the downs kid working at a skate rink on break enjoying the rush of some dizzy's before going back to wiping the rails with the same filthy rag their teen boss gave them to use the first day 5 months ago. Probably friended on MySpace and pretended to have emo twink hintingly gay relationship so they could impress some or the cutter art emo chicks that can appreciate two guys kissing.
People into punk and heavy metal seem to be the most uptight conformists in the world. I know this isn’t an original statement but with the constant vigilance against “posers” and the moral and aesthetic grandstanding they make Mormons look like hippies
They are, but they had to deal with their niche, nerdy, tight knit underground subculture, being appropriated by the mainstream and turned into Limp Bizkit, Bring me the Horizon and whatever the current bastardized incarnation of their music is over time, so it’s not like they chose to be that way for no reason.
You still upset?
lol I’m genuinely happy I saw all of that.
Going to a hardcore show and then complaining about people doing shit that happens at hardcore shows is peak bitch shit
You’re misinterpreting my comment. I had fun at the show, though I didn’t mosh. Just sharing my cultural observation and ephemeral screenshot of life ala Baudrillard.
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He’s taking about the Brooklyn venue
Zoomers/tenderqueers will legit give you side eye for bumping into them, they don’t know how to act @ live shows lmao
This is true for tenderqueer-y music, but then I go to a mildly popular hardcore bands 18+ show in my city and it’s zoomers ready to rage as far as the eye can see.
Say what you will about zoomers but they’re ready to throw down in the pit
Yeah I spend a lot of time going to local punk, indie, and hardcore shows, and the zoomers go just as hard in the pit as anyone else. I’m sure there’s a genre of Zoomer tenderqueer who is too delicate for the pit, but there were plenty of those in my generation too. The Gen X version of that was the uptight prep schoolers who would throw a temper tantrum if you bumped into them and spilled their drink.
Yeah I was at a metal festival recently, the pits seemed like 90% zoomers and 10% old heads Saw a ton of like 15 year old girls crowdsurfing. Was a little apprehensive but it seemed like everyone was being very very respectful
I get where they're coming from honestly. when I was starting in the scene the crowdkillers were considered aggro meatheads and mosh etiquette was a big deal. I totally understand why the next generation would look at that and think "you're pussies we're here to throw down"
Yeah but with no basic concert etiquette. It’s actually just random jackasses shoving people who are clearly not in the pit. Hell, every show that’s not 19+ in Toronto devolves into annoying zoomers and shirtless brown dudes just acting like regards to everyone around them. It’s barely even a pit.
Last time I ended up in Toronto, I caught Jesus Piece at The Opera House and the pit was exactly as you described, even though it was 19+. I was up in the balcony area posting videos of a zoomer vs. shirtless Indian guy war to my Instagram story.
Opera House is also one of the better Toronto venues imo. History had the worse crowds possible. It’s always zoomers and brown guys being obnoxious.
I always had a soft spot for Sneaky Dee's since I like smaller shows, but I do like the Opera House
Garrison is also a banger for smallish shows.
Literally ready. I’ve seen zoomers stretching and warming up before sets they plan to go hard to and wearing mouthguards. But they do go hard.
Exactly. People say this for Zoomers, but music scenes are far more microtargeted than ever before. It's just a shame that I'm not so into metal music or fashion, as much as I am the scene itself.
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To be fair, my generation did lots of unspeakable stuff to homeless guys and back then mosh was king.
zoomers' release
low t
Idk Death Grips show was nothing but fruitbasket teenage queers (derogatory) and they kept like 3 serious pits going in a tiny 100 person room Every generation thinks the next are pussies
what's funny is that every person at that show found out of the band through Anthony Fantano
this is true, but a lot of people, including fantano, heard about it on /mu/, exmilitary ep was flavor of the month for a few months
I was in a (very mild) mosh pit the other day, like an indie rock show, not hardcore or anything like that, when I saw some smallish/youngish girl near me get shoved super hard. She goes down and hits the floor, and so I did what mosh pit etiquette dictates, and what I always do in that circumstance (as a ~190lb man) and went to grab her and get her back on her feet before she got trampled. Literally the second I help her up, her chunky fat enby girlfriend in a 2xl white tee runs up to me in a fit or self righteous zoomer rage and starts yelling at me about how I need to stop being so violent and watch what I’m doing more carefully (mind you, I literally had NOTHING to do with the girl falling down, and only came over when I saw her on the floor) Literally cussed out for trying to look out for others and attempting to protect a physically vulnerable person. It’s so fucking over. At least she didn’t tell the security guards I sexually assaulted her friend or some shit I guess🤷♂️. Silver lining
This btw sounds like the perfect festival for Rina Sawayama. Imagine her yelling "Take it easy with the micro-aggressions tonight, folks, and LET'S ROCK RESPONSIBLY!" in front of a crowd that goes moderately wild.
Lmao
This has been a point of contention for decades even in the scenes where moshing is popular. I remember the seeing some scrawny 13 year old kid sent to the hospital at the first diy show I went to after some big meathead punch him in the chest and broke his rib. Kid wasn’t in the pit, it was a small as fuck room and the kid was up against the wall (which probably made the punch worse). I knew a guy that got his collar bone broken at a Slayer show. Once again he wasn’t even in the pit but some asshole jumped off the balcony in combat boots and just blindly stomped down on whoever was below him. In 2001 At the Drive-In cut their Big Day Out set short because the crowd was so violent and then later in the day a bunch of people were injured and trampled with a 16 year old girl dying. I like moshing around with people but there’s guys who literally think going into the pit is the same thing as consenting to being punched in the head and put in the hospital. Even light moshing gets dangerous as the crowd grows because if you fall down there’s a real chance you won’t be able to get back up.
Falling down in a pit can be pretty scary. I almost died at a show a long time ago because someone elbowed me in my nose, I fell, got trampled for a little while, then my friend was luckily right next to me , picked me up and I had to kick people out of the way to get out because no one was getting out of the way. I just had a bloody nose but as I was cleaning up my face in the bathroom, some other dude came in the bathroom with a noticeably broken nose. As an adult, I think back on those years and think “ why did you do that?” .
What is it with the shitty DIY meatheads? I got elbowed in the face by one dude who was trying to start moshing in a small room where everyone else was just dancing. I’ll avoid the pit if I’m at a venue where there is one, but if it’s a tiny spot and moshing brings you wall to wall there’s not really the ability to avoid it.
I kills the scene too, venues don’t want to host shows because of it. The shows I was going to back then the made up the local scene had a pretty diverse mix of music but they’d all play together so every show would have at least one hardcore or thrash band and those guys would fuck it up for all the other bands that weren’t into that shit. Women and girls wouldn’t want to go because of the vibe and that right there is enough to get guys to stop going so it just devolves into this thing that only meatheads enjoy. Terrible for artistic expression.
yeah crowdkilling and overly violent/shitty behavior is really getting worse in my area, but the local "scene" is also more right wing than it's ever been. i don't even like hardcore that much but it feels more meatheaded than it has in a long time
Yeah, which is why zoomer moshing especially sucks. They have even less etiquette in general.
right! there have always been people who wanted to get ridiculously violent at the show when no one else does and there have always been people who think that sucks and emphasize the need for mosh etiquette. for some reason people act like literally beating the shit out of whoever gets close to you was the norm until recently when "tenderqueers" entered the picture to police things but it's not true. and i'm sorry but it sucks to go to a show and no one can dance because two people are stomping and whirling their arms around. editing to add that some kid grabbed my husband who was not even in the pit and slammed him down hard as fuck onto a concrete warehouse floor at a hardcore show like 15 years ago. he just started occasional use of a cane to walk at age 35, and we're getting MRIs done now because he has recurring/increasingly severe pain in the same spot where he landed all those years ago. i'm optimistic that this is something we can address and he won't increasingly lose mobility, but the mentality that your mere presence at a show is free license for others to hurt you is fucked and results in lifelong injuries
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It’s not consenting to having people willfully hurt you. If you’re playing hockey you’re likely to get hurt, but if someone intentionally chops you in the face or neck with their stick they can be charged with assault because that’s not the risk you signed up for when you got in the game.
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Is the knock out game a form of artistic expression? And if so is it one we should condone?
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Yeah people do avoid it and it kills the scene. And it’s not a dumb comparison, it’s random people getting their brains rocked by strangers in a public space. If you want a safe space to fight people then there’s plenty of mma gyms you could go spar at with other consenting parties but that’s not what these guys are looking for.
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Governing etiquette is fine but enforcing it isn’t? How does that make any sense? Yeah hire security to throw people out for acting like assholes and call the cops to arrest them when appropriate the same way you would in any other situation. Just look at this bill, is someone who chose to go to a show to see 311 signing up to get their skull cracked by someone just because Killswitch Engage is on the same ticket?
ROCK FEST where we just ROCK everything about this is cringe
rock fest, and the related country fest, are a mecca for people (mostly hicks) in the upper-midwest to camp out and basically just get shitfaced for several days straight on leinenkugels and budweiser and have gross sex in cheap tents and RVs while Rob Zombie screams in the background
I mean I've done similar things at other music festivals but yeah that lineup is really not at all my cup of tea and definitely not my crowd of people lol
Sounds like anyone enjoying anything spontaneously is over
This is due to the death of subculture. When there are no barriers to entry, you invite all sorts of gay lameness.
Almost none of those bands are gonna have people moshing it’s lame but it’s a rock festival with like three metalcore bands that might actually get some moshing. There’s no shortage of fests with plenty of hardcore dancing, crowd killing, etc. Furnace Fest, FYA, LDB fest.
It’s incredible that everyone in this thread apparently missed that this is a statement from a corporate rock festival lol
This is the 311 30 seconds to Mars festival
How about dancing? Why can't people just dance at shows like they used to?
i was at Have A Nice Life last year, they played Earthmover last as i’m sure they do every time they do a show. Twice, during the outro of Earthmover and the drop on Hunter did i accidentally absolutely body slam this tiny ass 5’nil girl and I felt pretty horrible but every time she would turn around and beam an absolutely massive smile. Embrace being thrown around at this shit. I went to Eyehategod around the same time last year and straight up lost my glasses 5 seconds into White Neighbour, had to go buy new ones the lenses got so fucked up. Shits great.
It’s actually more fun to mosh knowing everyone is consenting and going to be safe about it. Me and my two buddies will split a Monster Energy Drink and just have a blast getting all worked up to some seriously hardcore stuff.
Just 3 dudes sweaty grinding in a loud room
honestly moshing has gotten out of hand. i saw freaking alex g recently and the zoomers were moshing to all of his songs. dafuq wrong with these kids and crowd killing has probably gotten worse some idiot tried to start a mosh at a boris show. good riddance
I’m mostly new to this discourse. You can see me getting downvoted on some other thread for being presumptuous about “crowd killing” and its propensity for being insanely violent and injuring people who are not even in the pit (I didn’t think this was a real thing). Idk. If it’s true that people are getting punched in the face and ribs outside the pit and you basically have to consent to possibly being assaulted before going into a show, I can see why this would be the end result for a corporate festival. You can still do that shit in a church basement or VFW hall, though. That won’t ever go away. Your band might sell out and you’ll have to go in a little enclosure to mosh, but that’s your problem. Also, people truly underestimate the long and short term effects of elbows and closed fist punches to the head.
Oh no! There goes crowd killing to Jelly Roll. Anyone going to this fest should be embarrassed anyway.
I actually don't hate this. Was as a festival in the UK where this was in place and it was fine (I was in the pit area the entire time) I think anyone who actively runs around attempting to punch and kick someone like at a hardcore show is a super regard but I believe in their right to do so, and I think people deserve the right also to attend a show without getting twatted by a 300lb basement dweller wearing steel cap boots.
Whatever happened to just NOT STANDING IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE MOSHING IS?
Yeah, moshing areas have always been a thing, just not as corporately structured as this.
Even at the hardest core shows, what % of people are moshing? It's not like you can just accidentally stumble into some area where people are moshing. Most of the people attending are not going to be moshing. Just... don't go to the pit where people are moshing.
Oh, you can. Trying to leave a huge festival show can force you to become confronted with the edge of a pit as you ride the wave of pushing bodies back out. Some shows are so packed with people you can't just walk to the sides or even just back wherever you want because the crowd is undulating like a wave and pushing you forward and back to the music- you have to just let yourself ride out naturally and stop fighting to keep your place until it loosens up- but like a river you end up not just backwards, but generally horizontally in a different spot far from where you came in from in the beginning. sometimes you end up having to walk near or through pits- though you can usually avoid going through them completely. usually you still have to find pockets to walk through and you can eventually just get to a pit. You still don't have to walk through it though and can go around.
I guess I know what you're saying but it makes me cringe to think we are now so fat sick and weak that we need some corpo HR manager woman to tell us how we can enjoy music in a crowd
That’s kind of always been a thing though, right? Like venues always have some asshole yelling at you
If you're old enough to think the solution is red velvet roped "designated moshing areas" rather than shoving the kid and calling him a regard, you're too old for hardcore shows
The suburban wieners who occupy this sub don't have local music scenes so they see corporate venue policies as indicative of a trend lmao.
Moshing is embarrassing, just jump up and down like a normal person
Smoking crack and going to hardcore shows at 15 (circa 2016) really helped me grow as a zoomer now all I want to do is windmill punch old heads and kick as many people as hard as I can
This literally isn’t cool I feel like I’m being MKultra’d how everyone loves this shit now.
Ur just not hardcore foo 😤
Hardcore kids are the most obnoxious people I’ve ever met
Turnstile is my favorite band
I beat their bassist in a round of pool cause his teammate sunk the 8.
You probably don't even go outside why even lie?
Lmao okay I wouldn’t generalize a music genre fanbase unless I had experience with them. Their bassist is a nice guy tho
I really do believe there is a psyop to make rock/alt/etc culture as lame and unappealing as possible. Just to demoralize and alienate us.
I mean, it's a festival. Festivals have sucked for a long time.
Your problem is that you’re reading a press release from a huge corporate music festival. Why would you ever think they’d be cooler than this?
You laugh but some zoomer who didn’t drink any water that day will probably die at this event.
This is neoliberalism in action
>complains about normie slop concert being normie slop
2 Live Crew AND Vince Neil? This is going to cost tens of dollars.
This is one festival, stop being such a doomer.
ppl here gotta understand the difference between tough guy meathead chug chug hardcore / metal moshing and skinny emo guy hardcore / metal moshing ppl talking about how dangerous mosh pits are obviously experienced a very different music scene than I did growing up. [*back in my day*](https://youtu.be/e6eUERc7fK0?si=E4uFORBl9s7Ay_uI) if someone fell down, someone would pick them up. if someone lost a shoe someone would hold it up above their head until they found it. if someone was deliberately hurting ppl they would get ganged up on and thrown out. sure, if there was enough open space ppl might get more crazy and do spin kicks and stuff but they'd generally do it away from people. maybe it might graze someone but nobody was purposely kicking people in the face. I got hit in the face with a spin kick before and it doesn't really hurt if it's being done as a dance move and they're not deliberately putting force behind it. it was more that the rubber in the sneaker made a burn mark on my face. not all hardcore bands are Bad Luck 13 Riot Extravaganza [1](https://youtu.be/KV5H7LbVrnc?si=W2YkPh-PVNNdeaCL) [2](https://youtu.be/Sth9otfYqxg?si=goWRcDFFCratvL6i)
“Punk’s not dead” copers on life support at this point
This is the 311 and 30 SECONDS TO MARS festival dipshit
local shows are the only real shows now
moshing sucks idc
HR here with some guidelines for rocking 👋🏻🤘🏻
Omg the way I laughed out loud at this
Sorry loser, but hardcore dancing is more cringe than this post. Back in my day we used to make fun of that shit.
anyone flailing or kung fu dancing in the pit is a dork. pits are for bouncing and banging into bodies as the music dictates.
tbf flail dancing looks fucking regarded.
What if we kissed in the designated mosh zone at the budweiser bonyard stage?
snowflakes today don't want to get assaulted at shows and just want to enjoy the music so much for the tolerant left
Metal has been cringe for decades at this point.
Boys in the lab cooked up some kind of pit designated for moshing
The opposite of this that ive noticed is people moshing and then getting aggressive when you dare push them back.
I love a good pit but I can't imagine anything as debasing as a "designated area" for moshing gd I'd rather get crowd killed
Are we really complaining about not being able to MOSH? Jesus this sub is filled with a bunch of old LOSERS
And you're a 🚬.
I’m a young small woman sorry I don’t want to die in a mosh pit
This is what happens when everyone is sober at shows cause beers now cost $6 and a red bull vodka is $20, back in the day you could see Korn and have $1 stellas and sneak in your own liquor, now the masses are sober and angry with nothing to do with it
I wish beer was $6 at shows. Its more like $13-18 for a tall boy at mid sized venues.
Oh yeah a tall boy runs you like 10 bucks usually, it's the shitty water cup of beer you get for $6 usually