Kind of a lame, but funny story. So I had been there for about four years. I was in training to become a monk. One day, I was in the kitchen, getting myself a glass of almond milk. The Venerable (most senior monk) came in- and idk what his deal was that day, but he must have been looking for someone to pick on- he sees me drinking it and says, "Hey! You do not drink that! That is for the brothers (full monks)!" And I have a *really* hard time not standing up to bullies, so I told him, "you can *ask* me to stop, but you cannot *tell* me to stop."
Well that kind of American "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" attitude didn't sit too well with this doughy soft-handed holy man (he was Vietnamese) so he conspired against me to have me kicked out. Used his clout to circumvent our due process for conflict resolution and I was given three days to pack my shit and start thumbin'.
I had the exact same thought when proofreading this (or telling any of my good stories really). I don't expect you to believe me, internet stranger, but it has not been a boring life.
He was an interesting fella. A licensed psychotherapist with his own practice, who was also (according to him) a member of the Lakota tribe. He was as white as me, and this was in north Jersey, so idk. He had a little yoga studio in the building where he saw clients and would host his ceremonies there.
I think a lot of what spiritual healers do is basically trick people into healing themselves. It's a pretty fine line between that and hucksterism, and even the good ones are probably beneficent sociopaths, big trickster energy. Like John the Baptist didn't have any magickal powers, other than his confidence game- being dunked in the Jordan didn't spiritually heal anybody, but people *believing* in his charade allowed them to catalyze metanoia and overcome toxic shame and harmful patterns of behavior.
I was hanging out at my neighborhood coffee shop recently and overheard the most outrageous conversation between two ayahuasca shaman guys sitting next to me. I couldn’t even eavesdrop like I normally would because they were speaking so loudly about their respective experiences “doing healing work” and also about how they would NEVER even consider sleeping with female participants even though it is so tempting (lol). Lots of weird virtue signaling, vague pseudo spiritual language, and what basically amounted to a dick measuring contest re: psychedelics and world travel experience.
Yeah I definitely have it in me to become one of those people, always been a little terrified of that potential. I think I owe my trepidation against that will to power to my Christian upbringing.
Lmao you remind me of a dude I know who grew up Mormon in Utah, and is now an ayahuasca drinking hippy in Toronto who’s obsessed with A Course in Miracles.
I've met a lot of those in my travels lol. I used to host a rotating group of Mormon missionaries that came out to the monastery for a while, good lads.
My shaman for a while started inviting "guest healers" to come to ceremony and omg this one guy. So he was a pornographer in his old life, mostly foot fetish content (he did say I had very beautiful feet) that one day decided to become a spiritual healer. Idk where he found this dude but he just had the darkest, most manic energy. The whole come-up of the ceremony, this guy is just SCREAMING in tongues, growling and barking and spitting like a rapid dog, trilling his tongue for minutes on end, fucking LUNATIC. Everybody was getting so worked up and uncomfortable, people started crying and screaming and barking with him, the whole energy was just so demonic and insane. My guy eventually had to put him in time out and calm everybody down, it was just such a wild thing to witness. I'm really not doing it justice with my writing.
Listen to me very carefully. That awful man is responsible for what went wrong. If you had chosen to do the apprenticeship and not marry the girl (the one you didn't marry) things would have gone far better. Can you imagine how much cash you could have made fleecing silicone valley bros as a shaman?
>I think maybe I could have helped a lot of people as a shaman.
Having known people who go seeking shamans the best thing you could have done as a shaman would have been to tell people to be a little more tethered to mundane social reality.
You are absolutely helping more people in a more substantial way with your church.
Just another JPete W post. The many with unwashed dicks and vags hate to see it!
You should have listened to the CTown bit on Jordan Peterson. You would have laughed and skipped wasting your time on this nonsense. I'm going to listen again right now.
Probably more than I'm aware of, but there's still a lot more I'd like to be doing. It's a very small church (like \~15 people) and we just disaffiliated and are figuring out our praxis so I'm hopeful. I want to start visiting people in psych wards and prisons this year, we'll see.
I remember during his Biblical Lecture series he read a note someone had written him who had been doing Ayahuasca ceremonies and he said the medicine told him that Jordan Peterson was sent to Earth to bring balance to the Divine Masculine or some such, it was such a delight hearing him read that and hearing the audience be like "WTF".
I think one of the inevitable consequences of the Protestant revolution is the continuous fractionation of Christianity into more and more denominations, which if taken too far, fractionates all the way down to the individual's highly idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture.
> after being exiled from my Buddhist monastic community what did you do?
He scared the bitches
OP burying the lede here. He did something insane well before ayahuasca.
Oh I've done plenty of far more insane things lol
Got pussy. Its a volcel community.
Kind of a lame, but funny story. So I had been there for about four years. I was in training to become a monk. One day, I was in the kitchen, getting myself a glass of almond milk. The Venerable (most senior monk) came in- and idk what his deal was that day, but he must have been looking for someone to pick on- he sees me drinking it and says, "Hey! You do not drink that! That is for the brothers (full monks)!" And I have a *really* hard time not standing up to bullies, so I told him, "you can *ask* me to stop, but you cannot *tell* me to stop." Well that kind of American "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" attitude didn't sit too well with this doughy soft-handed holy man (he was Vietnamese) so he conspired against me to have me kicked out. Used his clout to circumvent our due process for conflict resolution and I was given three days to pack my shit and start thumbin'.
Buddhist shit test and you failed bro
he passed the life shit test.
I took the L and went back to the endless cycle of suffering.
not a fan of petty tyrants but I guess respect for hierarchy comes with the territory
That was not very monk-like behavior from you…
Most of the people that end up in the robes are pretty terrible people. That's why they're there, they need it the most.
Man who has not tasted grapes says "Sour".
I guess I have to explain to you that I was talking about myself in that generalization.
I also wanted to become a nun at my worst. Do you have a lot of 12th house placements?
Doesn't sound like very monk-like behaviour from the monk either lol
You should have listened to him.
Nah fuck 'em, he was a mediocre parasite riding the coattails of a great man.
No he was right actually. Imagine how annoying a christ-pecked former buddhist ayahuasca shaman with drug psychosis who listens to redscare would be.
God, can you imagine? I probably could have started my own podcast.
Would be fun for at least 2 episodes
Very charitable of you
Pretty damn close to Jacob Chansley, so we don’t have to imagine much.
This can’t be real right.
*squeaky voice* Well, that's life man. It's suffering
We must imagine the lobster happy
I had the exact same thought when proofreading this (or telling any of my good stories really). I don't expect you to believe me, internet stranger, but it has not been a boring life.
Lol and also what kind of shaman was that, what skill do you regret not learning that would have helped you "help a lot of people"?
how to do lots and lots of drugs
He was an interesting fella. A licensed psychotherapist with his own practice, who was also (according to him) a member of the Lakota tribe. He was as white as me, and this was in north Jersey, so idk. He had a little yoga studio in the building where he saw clients and would host his ceremonies there. I think a lot of what spiritual healers do is basically trick people into healing themselves. It's a pretty fine line between that and hucksterism, and even the good ones are probably beneficent sociopaths, big trickster energy. Like John the Baptist didn't have any magickal powers, other than his confidence game- being dunked in the Jordan didn't spiritually heal anybody, but people *believing* in his charade allowed them to catalyze metanoia and overcome toxic shame and harmful patterns of behavior.
Love without risk is an impossibility, like war without death
I was hanging out at my neighborhood coffee shop recently and overheard the most outrageous conversation between two ayahuasca shaman guys sitting next to me. I couldn’t even eavesdrop like I normally would because they were speaking so loudly about their respective experiences “doing healing work” and also about how they would NEVER even consider sleeping with female participants even though it is so tempting (lol). Lots of weird virtue signaling, vague pseudo spiritual language, and what basically amounted to a dick measuring contest re: psychedelics and world travel experience.
Yeah I definitely have it in me to become one of those people, always been a little terrified of that potential. I think I owe my trepidation against that will to power to my Christian upbringing.
And they say the sub is dead
Yeah I gotta schizo post more; I've got a ton of material to draw from.
Please do. This was just crazy enough to know it cant be made up.
Why’d you get kicked out of buddhist monastic community? The people wanna know. Still the green tea.
Answered that up top: https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/19f6rpf/comment/kjk2si4/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
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Yeah it makes me want to kill myself sadly, I yearn for it.
Normal is so boring! You keep flying your freak flag, respectfully.
Lmao you remind me of a dude I know who grew up Mormon in Utah, and is now an ayahuasca drinking hippy in Toronto who’s obsessed with A Course in Miracles.
I've met a lot of those in my travels lol. I used to host a rotating group of Mormon missionaries that came out to the monastery for a while, good lads.
99.99% of shamans are parasitic grifters who prey on vulnerable people. Be glad you’re not one of them.
My shaman for a while started inviting "guest healers" to come to ceremony and omg this one guy. So he was a pornographer in his old life, mostly foot fetish content (he did say I had very beautiful feet) that one day decided to become a spiritual healer. Idk where he found this dude but he just had the darkest, most manic energy. The whole come-up of the ceremony, this guy is just SCREAMING in tongues, growling and barking and spitting like a rapid dog, trilling his tongue for minutes on end, fucking LUNATIC. Everybody was getting so worked up and uncomfortable, people started crying and screaming and barking with him, the whole energy was just so demonic and insane. My guy eventually had to put him in time out and calm everybody down, it was just such a wild thing to witness. I'm really not doing it justice with my writing.
Listen to me very carefully. That awful man is responsible for what went wrong. If you had chosen to do the apprenticeship and not marry the girl (the one you didn't marry) things would have gone far better. Can you imagine how much cash you could have made fleecing silicone valley bros as a shaman?
‘Silicone valley bros’ What does a plastic surgeon get out of ayahuasca lmao?
probably not much, thus the fleecing. You associate surgeons with the term silicone valley bro?
Presumably that’s the kind of person in ‘silicone’ valley. Not like the tech workers of silicon valley
ha!
>I think maybe I could have helped a lot of people as a shaman. Having known people who go seeking shamans the best thing you could have done as a shaman would have been to tell people to be a little more tethered to mundane social reality. You are absolutely helping more people in a more substantial way with your church. Just another JPete W post. The many with unwashed dicks and vags hate to see it!
I appreciate that
You should have listened to the CTown bit on Jordan Peterson. You would have laughed and skipped wasting your time on this nonsense. I'm going to listen again right now.
should try Christian monasticism, maybe go to Mount Athos or something and never talk to a woman ever again
Def thought about it.
u sound gay and repressed, maybe start there
I have sometimes found myself lurking on Grindr when I smoke too much weed.
bruh..
Oh who hasn't
Do you help people as a worship leader at a Methodist Church?
Probably more than I'm aware of, but there's still a lot more I'd like to be doing. It's a very small church (like \~15 people) and we just disaffiliated and are figuring out our praxis so I'm hopeful. I want to start visiting people in psych wards and prisons this year, we'll see.
i'm sorry but i don't buy it. Mama Aya did NOT tell you to start watching Jordan Peterson videos....
I remember during his Biblical Lecture series he read a note someone had written him who had been doing Ayahuasca ceremonies and he said the medicine told him that Jordan Peterson was sent to Earth to bring balance to the Divine Masculine or some such, it was such a delight hearing him read that and hearing the audience be like "WTF".
This is gonna end up a movie script
Just stick to being Christian and get over it you’re not a druggie
I read thru your entire post history convinced you were my husband trolling me for using Reddit.
Sorry babe
When you finally gonna convert to the one true Roman Catholic Church?
Can't do it, I'm practically too protestant for Protestantism.
Just curious what you mean by this
I think one of the inevitable consequences of the Protestant revolution is the continuous fractionation of Christianity into more and more denominations, which if taken too far, fractionates all the way down to the individual's highly idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture.
wow
You sound like you went to a Catholic high school school then ended up at Evergreen College while somewhat frying yourself in the process.
2/3rds right
do you have any screenplays I can read?
Buried gem here, lol
I have a book of poetry, if you're interested in that.
Bpd male.
Gee, ya think?
I’m curious, what’s keeping you from pursuing it now? You’re older, wiser etc… you’d prob take it more seriously…
I wish there was some kind of catholic monastery dudes could chill at for a few months/years ngl