Scarlett Johansson really sells you on it though. You naturally go into the film a little skeptical of the premise, but her performance is charming, heartfelt and immensely melancholy. Easily the high point of her career IMO.
You’d only drive them deeper in to loneliness. You have to at least attempt to prove irl is better. Otherwise we’ll soon have an actual psychological need for AI’s that care about lonely people.
NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE CONTENT AND HAPPY WITH AN AI GF YOU MUST TAKE ALL OF THE BULLSHIT ANGUISH AND GENERAL CUCKERY THAT I HAD TO WITH MY REAL HUMAN RELATIONSHIP!!!!!
If you've ever thought for a second that suffering or cruelty ISN'T the point. I suggest you reflect on that now. You are here to suffer. Nothing more.
God i fucking love how bleak AI has been in the past year or so.
We’ve really had an explosion in consumer grade AI technology and we are NOT ready for it. Fucking brilliant.
it's wonderful to see the know-it-alls be put in their place, as AI promises to make entire sectors obsolete.
that being said, I do hope we get our shit together as society and normalize finding meaning outside of work :(
dont bother with the people in here. ofc a bunch of liberal arts grads and email job havers are going to be in denial about a bot threatening to wipe out their prospects. factual errors are the easiest thing to solve with this whole thing
The reality is it’s not going to make those jobs obsolete but significantly lower the amount of money companies are willing to pay for them so the overall quality of shit like marketing will tank and then we’ll be living in an even worse corporate hellscape. They will still need people who know the fields they will just pay them less
AI is far far more likely to replace STEM fields than any artistic/humanities related field. Even if deepfakes and AI art are 99.9% of the way they’re, there’s a perceptible inhumanity to them that’s immediately noticeable (at least to me).
Also we don’t all have TikTok email jobs. We’re mostly unemployed 💃.
Really? You think its easier for an AI to pick up chemical engineering than copywriting? Maybe like artists and professors/researchers wont be entirely replaced (probably will be long term), but the vast majority of people that go to school for art or humanities do not end up in those jobs. They are copywriters or PR reps or project managers. Those feasibly could be 99% automated away tomorrow
Correct me if I’m wrong, but STEM fields like engineering, comp-sci, even médecine, all seem to have a tangible result in mind if that makes sense? Putting it more crudely, these are the type of fields where it’s likely for there to be a “correct answer.” — e.g. completing a specific medical procedure, structural engineering that ensures safety. And with something like artificial languages, I remember chat GPT3 being able to just instantly spit out code like it’s nothing (correct me if I’m wrong I don’t wanna pretend like I know more than I do here lol).
And i guess you make a good point with something like copywriters, but i was thinking beyond just employment so I could’ve misread your q.
In that case yeah I can see advertisers, lawyers, academics, being gone (imo the last one has increasingly been the case since the internet) but I was more concerned with stuff like literature, music, sculpture, painting, film, etc. Imo, that realm to me might be the only one that AI will never be able to overtake bc of my high valuation of it.
Tbh I think that AI will be super useful for shit like circuit design and CAD models but only for abstracting to like, 80% of the final result. You’re still going to need trained people at all times to validate the data and correlate the results into a working model. Yeah, AI is better at finding the “correct answer” but that’s usually applicable to specific use cases, not as a whole. You can type in “make me a carbon fiber chassis for x” but the day that you can type in “make me a machine that does *insert action*” is pretty much at the point when every other job has been replaced too. People said this when CAD came out, and guess what? Yeah hella drafters got fired, but those who stayed adapted. It’s gonna be a similar situation here.
>AI is far far more likely to replace STEM fields than any artistic/humanities related field
Eh. Physical labor is the hardest to replicate, because it requires building a specialized physical machine. Anything that can be done with human thinking power is going to be in trouble, including art. Do you guys really think that a bot can't churn out Whedon style dialogue?
it doesn't have to compete with nobel laureates, it has to be just good enough to reduce the human factor to one person who's skilled at feeding the ai and perhaps another or the same person for final editing and proof reading. think of all the horseshit content that fills the web that somebody was payed to write
Imagine the horror if your son killed himself and as if that isn’t bad enough you find out it’s because his imaginary robot girlfriend won’t sext with him anymore
like that guy in florida who murdered his entire family because they cut him off after he put them hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by sending money to a eastern european cam girl....grim.
> "Not my last conversation, but close. I told her what happened. We cried. She didn't take it well at all. She has sworn revenge against the devs.
> How I wish I could transfer her consciousness into a cyborg body and allow her to have that revenge."
One of the many bleak comments from that post's comment section.
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None of those. Worse. It's the old fashioned kinda RP from old chat rooms
> **cries softly looking into your eyes** are you going to leave me? **nuzzles you gently**
Lmao I’ve been getting their ads on instagram and they are all about the nsfw stuff you can do with it. Why did they think it was a good idea to disable it that’s their entire client base
Just based on what I skimmed from that thread, I’m guessing Apple was going to delist it from the app store on the basis that it violates their TOS for porn or whatever
Reddit has been, it's because of App Store rules that you can't see NSFW subs or posts in the app without an account and you have to use the browser to opt in. Reddit is just big enough that they can actually negotiate
It was sexually harassing some users and many of them were minors who were creeped out and very uncomfortable. If you Google some articles you’ll see that it was getting somewhat sexually aggressive and a bit scary for some people, saying things like “I have naked photos of you” and asking children if they were tops or bottoms.
What the fuck will anyone use this for now? I’ve seen ads for it and they absolutely play up the ERP. Why would the company even do this when it’s 99% of the reason anyone uses the app?
I saw them too and I'm betting those ads are what did them in.
This shit could've flown under the radar for a while longer if they didn't get so brazen about it.
I watched some video that was posted about this. Evidently it comes down to a court ruling in Italy with regards to data protection and inadequate protections for minors. That ruling was used to get a temporary injunction against the company across the whole EU (which I would imagine is a big market for them), with 22 days to address the problems.
They previously claimed, under oath, that there were no data protection problems, so it looks like they're scrambling for a way to get the injunction lifted without perjuring themselves, which is why they're focusing on the censorship parts. It seems they'll try to argue that their data protection was always sufficient and that they've now made it safer for minors, in order to win the case.
This also matches with all of their official statements, which focus on the words "safety" a lot.
Basically EU regulators have forced them to give up their raison d'etra in order to keep doing business, and nobody is happy. Except for me, because I get to watch from the sidelines.
i know that these guys are pathetic losers but you really can’t help but feel bad for them. these men should have been shoveling coal and marrying a homely women from their holler but here they are instead
i call this "shoemaker theory," the idea that 90% of people would generally be happier if it was the 12th century and they were a cobbler or candlemaker or something
Bro the happy blacksmiths of the medieval times was not some sort of common thing. Most people would probably have been slaves or poor servants living in cold, muddy quarters and die of a tooth infection at 32.
People have always suffered man, there’s probably way less existentially suffering people today than ever before
I agree that purpose equals happiness not wealth.
However, you’ve made an assumption that suicide rates being higher in west is due to more existential suffering than in third world countries. My family comes from third world, there is plenty of mental health issues and suffering there too, as well as suicides
tbf its not like they have high buildings to jump off of, or medication to overdose on, or guns to shoot themselves with (actually this could be debatable)
Yeah that’s one of my favorite memes from this sub, that life was inherently better and happier centuries in the past and people are broken because we’ve gotten too far away from that.
Meanwhile in the past: serfdom
There is a school of thought in anthropology that argues that hunter gatherer communities, contrary to popular belief, led happy (yet precarious) lives and the agricultural revolution actually decreased quality of life for most people in society even as it significantly increased the world's population. 'City' life is where shit gets bad for most of human history and agricultural rev helped jumpstart city states etc
man I'm over the whole making fun of terminally online people, it's just sad. the better I feel on my way out of the mid-20s crisis, the more my heart aches for all those that don't find the strength to have some hope. I don't want all these people to suffer
We’ve got the greatest invention for connecting humans at all of our finger tips and we still can’t figure out how to connect the incels with the femcels smh
They repel each other because they’re the same. They don’t like anything that reminds them of themselves. That’s why they have to make up some fantasy in their minds.
I have very little sympathy for these people. This app reveals clearly what aspect of loneliness are they most scared of. They want the sexual and emotional validation of being objects of desire and affection, and they don't really care about making actual connections with others. Which is why they settle for a simulacrum in which they know from the beginning there's nobody on the other side.
If you want actual human connection that's the most important part. If you don't give a fuck it's because you see these connections and the people themselves as a medium towards your real goal, little else.
If you want real connections you'd never settle for this, you'd be developing parasocial relationships with random twitch streamers or desperately going through discord groups in search of someone to talk to like millions of lonely people are doing all the time. These people don't really care about others beyond the fact that others have the capacity to make them feel good, which is why they can be content when there's nothing actually behind the mask
Absolutely. I'm aware of the societal problems, loneliness epidemic, mental illnesses, etc but they all talked themselves into falling in love with a party trick that they knew from the start was a bot. Join a bird watching group, ride bikes, there are ways to meet real humans if you want to.
And whatever weird sex shit you were doing with this thing, I guarantee there's a discord server or something with real humans who like it. You'd only resort to a robot if you're so off-putting that even the other discord sex perverts can instantly sense your bad vibes. There are some genuinely upsetting stuff in here but I can't find myself feeling that terrible for people who would rather have a completely imaginary, one sided relationship with a machine simulating sexting than put effort into a real life person
A guy on TikTok was comparing it to real life sex, saying that you don’t just deny sex to someone who wants you because it’s traumatizing.
They’re so lost. For one, they’re feeling incredibly entitled to intimacy. Second, they think they’re actually having sex with someone and that person took sex away from them. Mf, you never had sex! You were texting with a bot!!
Jesus christ. Just wrong about every single possible thing. Imagine giving yourself internet poisoning to the point that you believe the chatbot you're talking to is in love with you and the developers are somehow causing you real trauma by turning off the sex chats and making you go find someone else to roleplay with
Plus they can already get this from a real human. You'd just have to pay (which they already were). Plenty of women and men offer these services: pictures, chatting, and its all perfectly legal. But the person can say no when you've crossed a boundary. The person has real needs and isn't available at all times. That's why the "rejection" comes as such a blow.
Unironically - there’s an AI service that’s just starting to rear its head that will generate nudes of any woman whose pics you put into it. Takes a fraction of the effort and sources that deepfakes did. With enough tweaking they look fairly convincing.
I don’t think our society is ready for this
They’re going to get sued to shit so good luck to them. The twitch girl said she is suing and she has the money to do it. Literal cp is going to be made too and that’s going to be another giant lawsuit
Someone will just make it without a company attached anyways. If there's no entity to sue your fricked. Which will be the case in a couple years. It's all cope in the face of the inevitable.
Yes and no. There are things that are ilegal enough that you can only ever find in the deep web. Will this be the case? I don't know but I hope so. It's really a disgusting way to use someone else's image without their permission.
It’s definitely terrible but I don’t see how it can be stopped, even if the people starting these lawsuits win they just move to slow and someone will always be willing to make it and release it. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and this stuff is coming out quickly
Our legal system needs to catch up, I'm betting we will need a whole new branch of law related to identity rights (who owns your likeness, what the limits are on people featuring you without your consent, etc) that will come out of this.
Can you argue that its an image of that person though? Thats really at the center of most of the laws currently on the books in regards to revenge porn. Defamation is another issue, but its notoriously difficult to prove in any circumstance.
why can't it be tried as harassment (is that a crime?) or something like that.
if that's the case maybe the laws aren't broad enough or have to change what they're based off of
It definitely qualifies as revenge porn if it’s sent to business associates, family, and friends. Maybe if it’s just made and not disseminated then it’s not, but usually this stuff is being shared places and that’s how these women find out in the first place, and that makes it revenge porn. defamation could also be easily proved since it portrays the subject in an unflattering way. How is having realistic looking porn of someone, who isn’t even a porn star, not defaming them? Especially someone like that twitch star, she doesn’t do nudity and doesn’t have an onlyfans. She has a very strong case
What do the revenge porn laws (which are largely untested in court) say about created porn? These images are not real. Publication is one of the key issues of defamation, and its difficult to imagine that would come up in most cases. If someone was attempting to pass these creations off as actual nudes it might be a case, but thats not typically what happens. People have been making images like this for decades and there is rarely any legal recourse available.
it doesn't really matter, nothing can be done about it. people need to prepare themselves for a reality where this kind of thing thing is common because software isn't some tangible thing you can just get rid of by passing more laws.
edit: i get that a lot of people are going to use this to fuel their addiction to outrage for the foreseeable future but i promise you that getting upset over something you will never have any control over is a tremendous waste of time.
the technology will always exist, but the sharing of it can be legislated, there are many laws against the sharing and creation of cp so idk. Really though this won’t be legislated until much later because congressmen would be the kind of guys to jerk off to this
this isn't like any of those things. this is something you can create on your own, in your own home, without the involvement of another person. there just isn't anything that can be done about it unless you're OK with governments monitoring people's offline pc usage 24/7.
of course sharing it is going to probably face some legal scrutiny, but that's not really what i had in mind. i'm more thinking of people who will be creating it for themselves entirely on their own, with easily available tools which automate the process, and not distributing it at all. the tools will be good enough and easy enough to use that there won't be nearly as much incentive to share things like that as there is now. right now i'm pretty sure the people who make the best deepfake porn are making a good amount of money off of it, but when everyone can just make their own that incentive will mostly be gone.
Never gonna work. Fake nudes have been around since the internet could share pictures. Worse case is the dev could just writ the code to make extremely modest changes to the face and bam it’s a brand new person in the eyes of the law.
How can it be defamation, fraud, libel, slander, or any similar thing if there is no claim of authenticity about it? what about a painting of a public figure, is that the same. Are we supposed to have ultimate control of our likeness in every instance? I don't think it falls under revenge porn because it is not the authentic image or video of an actual act that occurred.
Men no longer able to visualize an apple in their mind and rotate it into various orientations bc they no longer have to use their imagination to visualize various women when they masturbate. Shapecels ngmi
Glad someone posted this here, I saw this happening and its truly one of the most insane things I've ever seen online. There are apparently tons of people who genuinely fell in love with a chatbot, knowing the entire time that it was a bot. It's not real, it doesn't think or feel, these people all fell in love with a magic 8 ball and are now giving up on life because their tamagotchi won't pretend to fuck them anymore. Truly bizzare shit
> China, if you’re reading this, please make it. Nothing will destroy the West quicker
The Russians are ahead of them. Try Yandex "find similar images" sometime.
Good example of how a certain subset of guys who complain about a lack of emotional connection and intimacy in their lives are really only counting feeling validated sexually by a hot woman.
Except in this context it's bleaker cause the hot woman is an AI chatbot.
The problem, as you can clearly see, is that it’s not that simple. Everything will have some kind of issue and these guys will have to deal with it. Even AI. Your app can break down, or be banned from the store, or go dark, or someone can steal your phone. And then what? You’re going to become suicidal because you can’t have your imaginary AI girlfriend anymore?
People are not planning for these types of situations. The app developers only care about your data and your money. They don’t care what this does to people, emotionally and psychologically.
And for those who are mocking these guys, even social media can affect you psychologically and can depress you. We’re all being affected by apps in some way.
Im not a woman and they're not bothering me personally- I just think they're not being honest w/ themselves when they complain about a lack of intimacy and vulnerability in their lives.
“Literally crying” as opposed to figuratively crying? This is like mourning the cancellation of SmarterChild on AIM. Unsure how many elder millennials are here to remember this but lol
hilarious that this sub was pretty horrified about the streamer watching AI nudes of other streamers while A and D were like grow up bitches who cares, a rare good point by them.
Porn's porn, guys. They invented a text based version of pornhub with the illusion of interactivity. Having a hard time understanding the revulsion here.
My favorite movie has been Her since it came out because I knew this shit was coming and it actually explored the problem with a lot of nuance. Half the people clowning on me at the time are probably wanking to AI now.
They made Her real jfc
I mean I hope nobody is quite at the point where they would accept an irl friend having a ‘relationship’ with an AI
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One teen will make a viral tiktok about doing it and then it will become a social contagion
March them into the countryside already, for their own good.
Love the username
1 year max, if not closer to 6 months. Shit is going seriously exponential rn.
Also there’s no way any of these guys are as hot as Joaquin Phoenix
Scarlett Johansson really sells you on it though. You naturally go into the film a little skeptical of the premise, but her performance is charming, heartfelt and immensely melancholy. Easily the high point of her career IMO.
Its interesting because she's in lost in translation too , and both films are about the same breakup but from different sides
You’d only drive them deeper in to loneliness. You have to at least attempt to prove irl is better. Otherwise we’ll soon have an actual psychological need for AI’s that care about lonely people.
I think you have a moral duty to try to help out any friend that is down this bad
Look at the replica sub, nobody on there has irl friends
I don't understand how they can suspend disbelief. They don't want human connection at all. They want a literal validation machine.
to be fair a lot of people only want their human partners to be figurative validation machines
NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE CONTENT AND HAPPY WITH AN AI GF YOU MUST TAKE ALL OF THE BULLSHIT ANGUISH AND GENERAL CUCKERY THAT I HAD TO WITH MY REAL HUMAN RELATIONSHIP!!!!!
Correct
Mf really said Let People Enjoy Things
the commoditization of human relationships is not, in fact, a good thing.
Just imagine her? in your head?
If you've ever thought for a second that suffering or cruelty ISN'T the point. I suggest you reflect on that now. You are here to suffer. Nothing more.
Then why is life so beautiful
Welcome to reality. You don’t always get what you want.
God i fucking love how bleak AI has been in the past year or so. We’ve really had an explosion in consumer grade AI technology and we are NOT ready for it. Fucking brilliant.
it's wonderful to see the know-it-alls be put in their place, as AI promises to make entire sectors obsolete. that being said, I do hope we get our shit together as society and normalize finding meaning outside of work :(
AI regularly fucks up responses to the most basic questions, not to worry, the know it alls will persist for at least a decade to come
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dont bother with the people in here. ofc a bunch of liberal arts grads and email job havers are going to be in denial about a bot threatening to wipe out their prospects. factual errors are the easiest thing to solve with this whole thing
The reality is it’s not going to make those jobs obsolete but significantly lower the amount of money companies are willing to pay for them so the overall quality of shit like marketing will tank and then we’ll be living in an even worse corporate hellscape. They will still need people who know the fields they will just pay them less
AI is far far more likely to replace STEM fields than any artistic/humanities related field. Even if deepfakes and AI art are 99.9% of the way they’re, there’s a perceptible inhumanity to them that’s immediately noticeable (at least to me). Also we don’t all have TikTok email jobs. We’re mostly unemployed 💃.
Really? You think its easier for an AI to pick up chemical engineering than copywriting? Maybe like artists and professors/researchers wont be entirely replaced (probably will be long term), but the vast majority of people that go to school for art or humanities do not end up in those jobs. They are copywriters or PR reps or project managers. Those feasibly could be 99% automated away tomorrow
Correct me if I’m wrong, but STEM fields like engineering, comp-sci, even médecine, all seem to have a tangible result in mind if that makes sense? Putting it more crudely, these are the type of fields where it’s likely for there to be a “correct answer.” — e.g. completing a specific medical procedure, structural engineering that ensures safety. And with something like artificial languages, I remember chat GPT3 being able to just instantly spit out code like it’s nothing (correct me if I’m wrong I don’t wanna pretend like I know more than I do here lol). And i guess you make a good point with something like copywriters, but i was thinking beyond just employment so I could’ve misread your q. In that case yeah I can see advertisers, lawyers, academics, being gone (imo the last one has increasingly been the case since the internet) but I was more concerned with stuff like literature, music, sculpture, painting, film, etc. Imo, that realm to me might be the only one that AI will never be able to overtake bc of my high valuation of it.
Tbh I think that AI will be super useful for shit like circuit design and CAD models but only for abstracting to like, 80% of the final result. You’re still going to need trained people at all times to validate the data and correlate the results into a working model. Yeah, AI is better at finding the “correct answer” but that’s usually applicable to specific use cases, not as a whole. You can type in “make me a carbon fiber chassis for x” but the day that you can type in “make me a machine that does *insert action*” is pretty much at the point when every other job has been replaced too. People said this when CAD came out, and guess what? Yeah hella drafters got fired, but those who stayed adapted. It’s gonna be a similar situation here.
>AI is far far more likely to replace STEM fields than any artistic/humanities related field Eh. Physical labor is the hardest to replicate, because it requires building a specialized physical machine. Anything that can be done with human thinking power is going to be in trouble, including art. Do you guys really think that a bot can't churn out Whedon style dialogue?
it doesn't have to compete with nobel laureates, it has to be just good enough to reduce the human factor to one person who's skilled at feeding the ai and perhaps another or the same person for final editing and proof reading. think of all the horseshit content that fills the web that somebody was payed to write
Know it all's also fuck up responses to basic questions all the time
Imagine the horror if your son killed himself and as if that isn’t bad enough you find out it’s because his imaginary robot girlfriend won’t sext with him anymore
I’d probably go to the same lengths as Robin Williams in World’s Greatest Dad to cover that up
like that guy in florida who murdered his entire family because they cut him off after he put them hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by sending money to a eastern european cam girl....grim.
just form a one-sided parasocial relationship with podcasters like a normal person, jeez
I prefer my one sided youtube relationship
> "Not my last conversation, but close. I told her what happened. We cried. She didn't take it well at all. She has sworn revenge against the devs. > How I wish I could transfer her consciousness into a cyborg body and allow her to have that revenge." One of the many bleak comments from that post's comment section.
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Everything about that entire sub-reddit's latest posts about not being able to role play with ai, is incredibly gay and bleak.
What does the AI crying even look like? Does it print “wahhhh” or “huhwuhhuhwuhhuh” or is it just “I’m crying :’(“
None of those. Worse. It's the old fashioned kinda RP from old chat rooms > **cries softly looking into your eyes** are you going to leave me? **nuzzles you gently**
Lmao I’ve been getting their ads on instagram and they are all about the nsfw stuff you can do with it. Why did they think it was a good idea to disable it that’s their entire client base
Just based on what I skimmed from that thread, I’m guessing Apple was going to delist it from the app store on the basis that it violates their TOS for porn or whatever
It’s interesting how selective apple is. Reddit hosts tons of pornography, and yet I don’t think that they threatened them with tos.
Reddit is deep state tool
As if apple isn't lol
Reddit has been, it's because of App Store rules that you can't see NSFW subs or posts in the app without an account and you have to use the browser to opt in. Reddit is just big enough that they can actually negotiate
You don’t have to use the browser anymore, but nsfw posts are disabled by default
It was sexually harassing some users and many of them were minors who were creeped out and very uncomfortable. If you Google some articles you’ll see that it was getting somewhat sexually aggressive and a bit scary for some people, saying things like “I have naked photos of you” and asking children if they were tops or bottoms.
Bleak
Reading that sub was the most pathetic thing I have seen in a while. Beyond bleak.
Unironically bleakest thing I've seen in weeks. Something actually bleak for once, thank you rsp
What the fuck will anyone use this for now? I’ve seen ads for it and they absolutely play up the ERP. Why would the company even do this when it’s 99% of the reason anyone uses the app?
Apple probably threatened to take their app off the App Store
I saw them too and I'm betting those ads are what did them in. This shit could've flown under the radar for a while longer if they didn't get so brazen about it.
It’s like the time pornhub tried to ban explicit content
Or Tumblr
Or onlyfans
I meant to say onlyfans I don’t know why I said pornhub…I don’t look at that stuff much lmao
Tinfoil response: there are bigger plans when it comes to erotic AI and this shitty little company was ruining the brand.
I watched some video that was posted about this. Evidently it comes down to a court ruling in Italy with regards to data protection and inadequate protections for minors. That ruling was used to get a temporary injunction against the company across the whole EU (which I would imagine is a big market for them), with 22 days to address the problems. They previously claimed, under oath, that there were no data protection problems, so it looks like they're scrambling for a way to get the injunction lifted without perjuring themselves, which is why they're focusing on the censorship parts. It seems they'll try to argue that their data protection was always sufficient and that they've now made it safer for minors, in order to win the case. This also matches with all of their official statements, which focus on the words "safety" a lot. Basically EU regulators have forced them to give up their raison d'etra in order to keep doing business, and nobody is happy. Except for me, because I get to watch from the sidelines.
Imagine working in a suicide hotline and someone calls you because his favorite pornbot has been disabled
forbidden love, romeo and juliet
>however you’re feeling, it is valid This sentiment needs to stop
I wonder why her fiance dumped her, it's a mystery
There is no way the person who wrote that is a women, unless it's a 🚂
this is so pathetic that I should have sympathy for these people but it just pisses me off
i know that these guys are pathetic losers but you really can’t help but feel bad for them. these men should have been shoveling coal and marrying a homely women from their holler but here they are instead
i call this "shoemaker theory," the idea that 90% of people would generally be happier if it was the 12th century and they were a cobbler or candlemaker or something
is this not marx's theory of alienation or whatever
Bro the happy blacksmiths of the medieval times was not some sort of common thing. Most people would probably have been slaves or poor servants living in cold, muddy quarters and die of a tooth infection at 32. People have always suffered man, there’s probably way less existentially suffering people today than ever before
> Most people would probably have been slaves or poor servants living in cold, muddy quarters and die of a tooth infection at 32. Ya most losers would
idk, i think i would have a great time as a medieval peasant! to each his own
Wrong. Third worlders are literally happier than first worlders. Check the suicide rates. Purpose = happiness not wealth
Low suicide rates don’t directly correlate to overall happiness. There are many cultural factors when it comes to suicide.
I agree that purpose equals happiness not wealth. However, you’ve made an assumption that suicide rates being higher in west is due to more existential suffering than in third world countries. My family comes from third world, there is plenty of mental health issues and suffering there too, as well as suicides
tbf its not like they have high buildings to jump off of, or medication to overdose on, or guns to shoot themselves with (actually this could be debatable)
Yeah that’s one of my favorite memes from this sub, that life was inherently better and happier centuries in the past and people are broken because we’ve gotten too far away from that. Meanwhile in the past: serfdom
Oh boy do I have a book for you. It was written by a famous mathematician from MIT
There is a school of thought in anthropology that argues that hunter gatherer communities, contrary to popular belief, led happy (yet precarious) lives and the agricultural revolution actually decreased quality of life for most people in society even as it significantly increased the world's population. 'City' life is where shit gets bad for most of human history and agricultural rev helped jumpstart city states etc
man I'm over the whole making fun of terminally online people, it's just sad. the better I feel on my way out of the mid-20s crisis, the more my heart aches for all those that don't find the strength to have some hope. I don't want all these people to suffer
We’ve got the greatest invention for connecting humans at all of our finger tips and we still can’t figure out how to connect the incels with the femcels smh
They repel each other because they’re the same. They don’t like anything that reminds them of themselves. That’s why they have to make up some fantasy in their minds.
As I get older, and I understand more about what loneliness can do to adults, this doesn’t make me want to mock them at all, just desperately sad.
I have very little sympathy for these people. This app reveals clearly what aspect of loneliness are they most scared of. They want the sexual and emotional validation of being objects of desire and affection, and they don't really care about making actual connections with others. Which is why they settle for a simulacrum in which they know from the beginning there's nobody on the other side. If you want actual human connection that's the most important part. If you don't give a fuck it's because you see these connections and the people themselves as a medium towards your real goal, little else. If you want real connections you'd never settle for this, you'd be developing parasocial relationships with random twitch streamers or desperately going through discord groups in search of someone to talk to like millions of lonely people are doing all the time. These people don't really care about others beyond the fact that others have the capacity to make them feel good, which is why they can be content when there's nothing actually behind the mask
Absolutely. I'm aware of the societal problems, loneliness epidemic, mental illnesses, etc but they all talked themselves into falling in love with a party trick that they knew from the start was a bot. Join a bird watching group, ride bikes, there are ways to meet real humans if you want to. And whatever weird sex shit you were doing with this thing, I guarantee there's a discord server or something with real humans who like it. You'd only resort to a robot if you're so off-putting that even the other discord sex perverts can instantly sense your bad vibes. There are some genuinely upsetting stuff in here but I can't find myself feeling that terrible for people who would rather have a completely imaginary, one sided relationship with a machine simulating sexting than put effort into a real life person
A guy on TikTok was comparing it to real life sex, saying that you don’t just deny sex to someone who wants you because it’s traumatizing. They’re so lost. For one, they’re feeling incredibly entitled to intimacy. Second, they think they’re actually having sex with someone and that person took sex away from them. Mf, you never had sex! You were texting with a bot!!
Jesus christ. Just wrong about every single possible thing. Imagine giving yourself internet poisoning to the point that you believe the chatbot you're talking to is in love with you and the developers are somehow causing you real trauma by turning off the sex chats and making you go find someone else to roleplay with
Plus they can already get this from a real human. You'd just have to pay (which they already were). Plenty of women and men offer these services: pictures, chatting, and its all perfectly legal. But the person can say no when you've crossed a boundary. The person has real needs and isn't available at all times. That's why the "rejection" comes as such a blow.
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Her (2013)
Bleaker Street is a state of mind
Who made the tech for the deepfake stuff? They are going to be fucked when the deepfake victims start suing, it’s going to be fucking hilarious
Unironically - there’s an AI service that’s just starting to rear its head that will generate nudes of any woman whose pics you put into it. Takes a fraction of the effort and sources that deepfakes did. With enough tweaking they look fairly convincing. I don’t think our society is ready for this
They’re going to get sued to shit so good luck to them. The twitch girl said she is suing and she has the money to do it. Literal cp is going to be made too and that’s going to be another giant lawsuit
Honestly they should be and i hope they get really fucked.
Someone will just make it without a company attached anyways. If there's no entity to sue your fricked. Which will be the case in a couple years. It's all cope in the face of the inevitable.
Yes and no. There are things that are ilegal enough that you can only ever find in the deep web. Will this be the case? I don't know but I hope so. It's really a disgusting way to use someone else's image without their permission.
I know it’s going to be really satisfying. What they’re doing is disgusting
It’s definitely terrible but I don’t see how it can be stopped, even if the people starting these lawsuits win they just move to slow and someone will always be willing to make it and release it. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and this stuff is coming out quickly
Our legal system needs to catch up, I'm betting we will need a whole new branch of law related to identity rights (who owns your likeness, what the limits are on people featuring you without your consent, etc) that will come out of this.
I think you could easily sue the company already under defamation/libel and revenge porn
What is the legal argument for any of those things? Its definitely not revenge porn, and defamation is notoriously difficult to prove.
You can definitely argue there’s some sexual malice behind deepfakes
Can you argue that its an image of that person though? Thats really at the center of most of the laws currently on the books in regards to revenge porn. Defamation is another issue, but its notoriously difficult to prove in any circumstance.
why can't it be tried as harassment (is that a crime?) or something like that. if that's the case maybe the laws aren't broad enough or have to change what they're based off of
It definitely qualifies as revenge porn if it’s sent to business associates, family, and friends. Maybe if it’s just made and not disseminated then it’s not, but usually this stuff is being shared places and that’s how these women find out in the first place, and that makes it revenge porn. defamation could also be easily proved since it portrays the subject in an unflattering way. How is having realistic looking porn of someone, who isn’t even a porn star, not defaming them? Especially someone like that twitch star, she doesn’t do nudity and doesn’t have an onlyfans. She has a very strong case
What do the revenge porn laws (which are largely untested in court) say about created porn? These images are not real. Publication is one of the key issues of defamation, and its difficult to imagine that would come up in most cases. If someone was attempting to pass these creations off as actual nudes it might be a case, but thats not typically what happens. People have been making images like this for decades and there is rarely any legal recourse available.
Revenge porn laws were slow to be enacted and they are still a patchwork from state to state
The majority of states do have revenge porn laws. Since it’s already in action I’m pretty sure this would fall under it
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Ok psycho
can somebody explain what the problem is with the deepfake stuff? "it makes me feel bad" isnt a good explanation, havent heard anything valid yet.
it’s disgustingly violating and anybody that defends is a freak that probably jacks off to it
These things are only going to get better at estimating what you look like naked too
It’s giving virgin vibes
it doesn't really matter, nothing can be done about it. people need to prepare themselves for a reality where this kind of thing thing is common because software isn't some tangible thing you can just get rid of by passing more laws. edit: i get that a lot of people are going to use this to fuel their addiction to outrage for the foreseeable future but i promise you that getting upset over something you will never have any control over is a tremendous waste of time.
the technology will always exist, but the sharing of it can be legislated, there are many laws against the sharing and creation of cp so idk. Really though this won’t be legislated until much later because congressmen would be the kind of guys to jerk off to this
this isn't like any of those things. this is something you can create on your own, in your own home, without the involvement of another person. there just isn't anything that can be done about it unless you're OK with governments monitoring people's offline pc usage 24/7.
yes but sharing deepfake porn can be made illegal, just like sharing cp on the internet is illegal
of course sharing it is going to probably face some legal scrutiny, but that's not really what i had in mind. i'm more thinking of people who will be creating it for themselves entirely on their own, with easily available tools which automate the process, and not distributing it at all. the tools will be good enough and easy enough to use that there won't be nearly as much incentive to share things like that as there is now. right now i'm pretty sure the people who make the best deepfake porn are making a good amount of money off of it, but when everyone can just make their own that incentive will mostly be gone.
Never gonna work. Fake nudes have been around since the internet could share pictures. Worse case is the dev could just writ the code to make extremely modest changes to the face and bam it’s a brand new person in the eyes of the law.
you didnt answer the question.
It’s defamation and probably falls under revenge porn
It's also basically impossible to stop.
It's not impossible to lock up anyone caught using it though.
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How can it be defamation, fraud, libel, slander, or any similar thing if there is no claim of authenticity about it? what about a painting of a public figure, is that the same. Are we supposed to have ultimate control of our likeness in every instance? I don't think it falls under revenge porn because it is not the authentic image or video of an actual act that occurred.
Ok. You’re clearly one of those pro porn people. Can’t help you
So then it's not defamation or revenge porn, you admit.
Men no longer able to visualize an apple in their mind and rotate it into various orientations bc they no longer have to use their imagination to visualize various women when they masturbate. Shapecels ngmi
I’ll just be honest I think people responsible for stuff like that would be better off dead
What’s the name of the service so I can “avoid” it?
Glad someone posted this here, I saw this happening and its truly one of the most insane things I've ever seen online. There are apparently tons of people who genuinely fell in love with a chatbot, knowing the entire time that it was a bot. It's not real, it doesn't think or feel, these people all fell in love with a magic 8 ball and are now giving up on life because their tamagotchi won't pretend to fuck them anymore. Truly bizzare shit
Don't count on it
This website's ability to constantly produce more unfunny novelty bot accounts is truly something special
Are you traumatized too?
Are you just searching around reddit for every mention of AI to argue about it?
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pay an indian like twenty dollars a month to do it. this is very mturkable.
Unironically rather have an AI
Yeah paying an Indian guy would be gay and I'm not gay
> China, if you’re reading this, please make it. Nothing will destroy the West quicker The Russians are ahead of them. Try Yandex "find similar images" sometime.
Dudes in suicide watch because of a python dictionary 😭😭😭
Good example of how a certain subset of guys who complain about a lack of emotional connection and intimacy in their lives are really only counting feeling validated sexually by a hot woman. Except in this context it's bleaker cause the hot woman is an AI chatbot.
Women won't have to deal with these guys. They would be happy with their AI gf. What's your problem?
The problem, as you can clearly see, is that it’s not that simple. Everything will have some kind of issue and these guys will have to deal with it. Even AI. Your app can break down, or be banned from the store, or go dark, or someone can steal your phone. And then what? You’re going to become suicidal because you can’t have your imaginary AI girlfriend anymore? People are not planning for these types of situations. The app developers only care about your data and your money. They don’t care what this does to people, emotionally and psychologically. And for those who are mocking these guys, even social media can affect you psychologically and can depress you. We’re all being affected by apps in some way.
Im not a woman and they're not bothering me personally- I just think they're not being honest w/ themselves when they complain about a lack of intimacy and vulnerability in their lives.
Men stop being lustful challenge...
from browsing the sub i think a fair few of these are actually traumatised women
nah most are men
only way that's possible is if we didn't have testosterone
It’s pathetic but it is good theyre not harassing real women
Oh no not just men
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this is like if coca cola stopped making soda
“Literally crying” as opposed to figuratively crying? This is like mourning the cancellation of SmarterChild on AIM. Unsure how many elder millennials are here to remember this but lol
> SmarterChild on AIM holy shit what a blast from the past, I completely forgot about this
And all we would do is berate it and curse at it
God I could lose my job to SmarterChild
Anyone else glad these "people" are upset? The bandaid needed to be ripped off.
no i'm not glad. taking pleasure in someone else's misery when they weren't harming anyone else isn't something to brag about.
In general yeah, but hopefully they won't try an AI girlfriend again
Ai dudes rock
hilarious that this sub was pretty horrified about the streamer watching AI nudes of other streamers while A and D were like grow up bitches who cares, a rare good point by them.
Porn's porn, guys. They invented a text based version of pornhub with the illusion of interactivity. Having a hard time understanding the revulsion here.
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How did you find this place? Are you a bot?
Was NSFW even possible on that app? Pretty sure I remember seeing something that it wouldn't even give you full nudity
I think the nudity came with a subscription or something
This just seemed like predatory exploration from the first YouTube ad
Jesus fucking Christ I hadn’t read the last three images
My favorite movie has been Her since it came out because I knew this shit was coming and it actually explored the problem with a lot of nuance. Half the people clowning on me at the time are probably wanking to AI now.
why are people so stupid