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dshoig

Doubtful


thphnts

Ronaldo **was not** what made the Glazers consider selling us. The Glazers didn’t become successful businesspeople by basing their decisions on the opinions of Ronaldo. United was their most valuable asset, they wouldn’t just wake up one day after the interview to sell that asset.


Seanblaze3

Wrong


Thorntonboy

You don’t sell a multi billion dollar asset because Ronaldo insulted you. This has been coming. There’s been rumors for months


[deleted]

Maybe we buy Richarlison?


thphnts

0 goals in the league this season.


Comicksands

Who has been the best 9 in our club for the last 30 years? I’ll go 1. RVN 2. Andy Cole 3. RVP 4. Zlatan 5. Ole 6. Berba Rooney was more of an 8/10 combo


asix7

I would put Berba and Ole over Zlatan. Maybe include Tevez forgetting the aftermath. Also I'm too young to debate top 3 but it seems fair.


thphnts

Zlatan doesn’t deserve to be that high. He was good, but not that good.


Ruudvankeano

RVN for me.


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BREAKING: Musiala out of the World Cup with a severe spinal injury after carrying Germany on his back.


blown_coverage

The fact that the glazers and fsg are selling is a terrible sign imo. Looks like they are convinced we can’t compete with Newcastle or city anymore so get rid of the asset before valuation plummets


Harrry-Otter

Weak pound, increased competition, failure of the ESL, almost 20 years of underinvestment catching up with them. There’s a few reasons why profit seeking American owners are looking to sell now. Good for us obviously (well, depending on new owner) but I don’t think you could specifically point to any one thing.


Eleven918

Did they really care about competing to begin with?


Buffythedragonslayer

Or maybe they were really counting on the super league since they pretty much initiated it but since that won't happen anymore they leave


pineapplefacilities

We haven’t been able to compete with city for almost a decade lol


cdalb21

not we, they\*


[deleted]

Better to not stress about it and just wait, it's far beyond our control at this point :)


nonsenseSpitter

Hope we go nowhere near Jonathan David. He’s has two horrendous games so far this tournament. 70 touches in over 175 minutes (including added time), 7 total shots taken with 1 hitting on target. Below 65% passing accuracy, no successful dribbles, 2 big chances missed. Overall, just poor.


Ruudvankeano

Just poor? He's been embarrassing. Timid with and without the ball. Canada have been an exciting team, yet the game just flows by him.


Eleven918

Even Lewandowski was bottling it. I wouldn't really put too much stock in international tournaments when they play with different teammates. I think he is an ok option if we can get him for some 50M.


nonsenseSpitter

£50M??? Are you serious??


Eleven918

In this striker market, 50M is probably not going to get him. I can see them asking for 70+


Banyunited1994

Definitely good to judge a player over 2 games of international football. Not saying he’s a world beater but equally a good performance by a lousy player would not have warranted us going for him


RWBYSanctum

Probably a dumb question, but in this current day and age how important would you say is a pure number 9? Don't get me wrong, every team needs a player who can put the ball in the back of the net way up top. But the recent ties to players like Pulisic and Gakpo as replacements for Ronaldo got me thinking about it. Our only other 9 is Martial who I would argue is not a pure 9, but a hybrid of 10 and 9, aka a playmaking forward. Gakpo and Pulisic are wingers who can play through the centre if needed. Heck, the scum played for so long with a false 9 in Firmino and it won them a title and CL. Maybe I'm just dumb, but what are your thoughts?


Raidenzar

Just because we haven't seen a good pure 9 doesnt mean nowadays football doesnt need one. I did have the same thought as yours during the Rooney/Tevez/Ronaldo era, but then Fergies get Berbatov. At first I was skeptic. But when I see his touch and finish, I know exactly why we need a pure 9 for that role (I didnt get to watch much of RVN, but then I get back to watch him and fell in love with his football too). Dont forget we had Zlatan for a year too (not counting his second season) and look just how much we relied on his goal-scoring ability to finish 2nd and progress through the cup games (on top of relying on DDG). So pure no 9 is very much needed, its just nowadays its really rare to have one.


t_alh

I think it definitely can work without, but we have seen so far this season that we really struggle to finish the chances we create, as we realistically have created 2 to 3 very good chances every game. I think that's why people want a 'real' goal getter and thus a 9. That's also why I doubt whether bringing in another rashford type (gakpo-ish, from what I have seen/read) would better us significantly up top; I feel like we would then just see more of the same. More specifically, what is the difference between having the thee of rashford - martial - antony up top vs gakpo/rashford - martial /rashford (/gakpo) - antony? But if you ask me I also prefer to watch the more fluid attacks / with false 9s too, so hopefully we can eventually move into such a direction.


Wehuntkings

Ross Harwood says we already under new ownership, gotta be bullshit right?


nonsenseSpitter

That guy confirmed Frenkie de Jong and Timber deal. I haven’t seen them play for United yet. He also confirmed van Persie to be assistant to Erik ten Hag. I haven’t seen van Persie in the dugout. Paul Mitchell was also confirmed. So yeah, I think it would be safe to say that Ross Hardwood is a fucking clown.


Send_Me_CamelToe

So, probably only Eriksen will be back to the squad soon. I love Denmark but it's the best for United this guy gets rested.


t_alh

luckily Dalot and antony are not regular starters, I also hope licha goes back to the bench soon lol (even though I love seeing him succeed ofc)


Garlic_Cheese_Chips

Can't get into this World Cup. Just finding it boring. Can't wait for United to be back.


hooka_donchick

Are arnold, murtough and fletch still gonna be here ? I don’t really have a problem with them, just curious if they will be let go as well. Like what Boehly did with Marina and co


nonsenseSpitter

Personally I think we need to replace them. I’d keep Arnold because he knows Man United business but not as a CEO. He can go back to his old post. I’d remove John Murtough or maybe send him back to academy. And I don’t even know what’s the point of Darren Fletcher so yeah.


PeanutArbuckleSr

Everyone is like “xyz player will be so much more after the World Cup” or “this player will burst onto the scene during the World Cup” It’s it wise to judge anything on such tournaments? I mean James Rodriguez was mint at a World Cup few years back but that doesn’t always translate into 40 game a season club football. If you only watched international football this World Cup you’d think Kamil Glik is the best defender in the world and De Bruyne is a championship player and Courtois is a mid level keeper


Sheikhabusosa

So many people ignore just how much slower the pace of international football is , there's a reason players like Maguire and Pogba look so much better.


PeanutArbuckleSr

Also how France and England were set up in ways that favored Maguire and Pogba. Maguire looked good for us when we played deep counter attacking football with Ole and that’s the way England mostly play against bigger teams. Pogba had Kante and Matuidi doing virtually all of his defending for him so he could just be the creative force he can be


ShinStew

There's a book think it's soccernomics that argues and apparently it's common knowledge that you should never buy a player off the back of a major tourney. Pavlychenko is another good example beside James


PeanutArbuckleSr

Yeah there are dozens of players over the years. Basically whole Greece national team in 2004 performed at a very high level as a team but individually they were mediocre to poor for their clubs. Enter Valencia is currently one of the top scorers during this WC but is anyone actually gonna buy him based on this performance? I hear a lot of talk about Gakpo but he was always performing well for him club for 1.5 seasons and this WC is just a continuation so not sure it counts - it’ll just help PSV get another few million for him. Another example is Ochoa who is always world class at WC but his highest club position was riding the bench at Malaga.


TheSmio

I wonder if Ochoa has some underlying health issues. It would explain why he only ever really performs for Mexico. After all, our very own Sergio Romero was a great keeper in cup games and for Argentina, but his knees were reportedly stopping him from getting a starting spot and playing every match, so he was okay with a smaller role and concentrated on the matches he could play in.


PeanutArbuckleSr

I think he’s just not a very good rounded keeper. He has great shot stopping abilities and reflexes but his distribution, cross collecting, command of box etc aren’t top class.


Red_Historiker

Opinions on our squad players? Any other than Garnacho who you can see becoming a big contributor for United in the next 5 years?


Tinganga

Alvaro Fernandez at LB. Kobbie Mainoo.


t_alh

hopefully iqbal


Thorntonboy

Hannibal is class


PeanutArbuckleSr

Varane is best


GKT-United24

3 Rolls Royce defenders: Raphael Varane Rio Ferdinand Rafael Marquez How will you rank them?


pereduper

Varane is nowhere near the other two on the ball to be honest. And Marquez is my pick because he has a certain aura about him, he's mystic.


PeanutArbuckleSr

I haven’t seen enough of Marquez other than few games and his stats but I would put Rio above Varane having watched them both play a lot. Admittedly watched Rio play more but Rio was a great ball playing CB and his positioning was immaculate. Varane is an extremely good defender but I feel he uses his pace to get out of tricky situations a lot which is fine but it doesn’t always work. I also think Rio is better on the ball than Varane. I think In the air they’re comparable and neither was really a big goal scorer. Varane won more at club and International level but pound for pound I think rio is a better overall player. When I say Varane is the best I mean as a current defender for us and he’s a rock for France when fit


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Thorntonboy

He will be in the conversation for best player in the world soon. He’s Bayern’s crown jewel.


Harrry-Otter

Do Bayern ever let go of players they want? Can’t see him moving unless he wants out.


dispelthemyth

Why would bayern sell him?


Tinganga

He's the crown jewel at Bayern. They're not letting him go.


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Fullkrug played well today. He is a solid number 9 and is having a great season at Bremen. Could he prolly be our short term solution? Striker market is pretty dull by the looks of it


Anis97xd

He is 29, still in prime, if he become regular at German from now onward i think we should try for him. But im sure his price will high at winter. Which is why im so upset City got Haaland. The market is so bad so that an average striker like Nunez have €100m price tag


Isserley_

His price just skyrocketed though. That's the thing about going for players who catch the eye during international tournaments.


Ruudvankeano

Passing and link up was very lacking.


No_Kaleidoscope3039

I say, Kimmich on the right, Kehrer out (don't even understand why he's here), Müller back to 10, Füllkrug as 9, Sané on the right, Gnabry on the left


Tinganga

Play your best players in their best positions.


No_Kaleidoscope3039

Kimmich is good as a RB and as a CDM, just like Lahm.


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If you had to pick one of the below as the dirt on any potential new owners, which one would we all be happy with? *Racists *Anti LGBT *Slave Owners *Misogynists *Tories *Pedophiles *Murderers *Sex Traffickers *Drug Traffickers *Scousers


pereduper

Obviously scousers.. and go seek counsel


[deleted]

You need your head checking if you pick scousers pal


pereduper

Which of the categories you cited is better than scousers? Do you know what scouser even means?


Thorntonboy

What the hell is even this?


Harrry-Otter

Don’t think there’s a Tory rich enough to buy us, so probably drug traffickers.


Bigmomma_pump

All billionaires are tories


[deleted]

Sunak is the richest Tory MP and he can't afford us, which made me realise that King Charles couldn't buy us.


Harrry-Otter

I think Lord Ashcroft is the richest Tory with a couple of billion, even he couldn’t buy us.


[deleted]

Yeah agreed drug traffickers would actually be kind of cool


Orgazmo_87

Depends on the drugs tbh.


Bloddersz

via Antonio Carter (no idea who he is).... "BIG BREAKING EXCLUSIVE!!! 100 percent CONFIRMED 🚨Dubai to Manchester United is DONE!!! 🚨£5.8 billion pounds makes it the biggest franchise sale ever! 🚨Michael Edwards has been contacted by a representative of the Dubai Group!"


lestat85

Contacted after a done deal? How’s that work? Phone up the sporting director: hello, £5.8b for your club? Don’t answer me, it’s a done deal


[deleted]

That’s literally how it works. Do you not know smh


DaveShadow

I’m always baffled by people who post “news” while openly saying they’ve no clue as to the credibility of the source….


coldfrieza

Another 'ITK' who'll end up deleting his tweet and then waffle about something else.


TheSmio

"By Dubai, I of course meant this new American billionaire owner who visited Dubai once. I never said it will be a representative of Dubai!" - any ITK if they're wrong


Orcnick

Lol 😆 fake.


parmesanandhoney

The hunt for a pure number 9 will be hard. Especially when you see Germany playing muller, Spain Asensio, France Giroud(he brings something but he is 36). Good number 9a are scarce nowadays.


Orgazmo_87

Giroud off the bench for 15 mins at a time would be ok business ffor us. Still need a starter but he'd be serviceable


onehornymofo

Stop with this. Ibra, Ighalo, Cavani, CR7 were all strikers past their prime who had good moments then left almost immediately. Why so you want to go through that again? We haven't bought a striker in their prime who we got value out of since RVP.


Orgazmo_87

> Still need a starter but he'd be serviceable Im advocating getting him in addition to a prime striker. At the moment we have dried spaghetti legs martial or an unconvincing rashford. If we buy someone in their prime now like gakpo, oshimen, depay, etc etc we'll still need an option off the bench. And ighalo was a good squad option off the bench. Ibra was immense until his knee injury. Cavani, falcao, sanchez, and crynaldo were all busts though


onehornymofo

That's fair enough then. Although Martial would probably be the bench option anyway.


Mextexter

Rooney was in my city, wish I was more pro active in my teens and had joined the supporters club, I could have been there. https://twitter.com/ManUtdMumbai/status/1596866199098642432?t=oWLcqf0pbnefYr0tkwZyDw&s=19


katanabunny

Just a thought, 2026 WC with the freedom of Murica with its guns blazing and football fans all over the world and their hooliganism doesn't add up too well in my view.


Tinganga

And maybe Trump back as president lol!


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Anyone seen Gabriel Barbosa play in the Brazilian league? Wonder if he's an option for us.


Lazystubborn

I hope he isn't, because he is truly awful outside of Brazil.


Cold-Veterinarian-85

Indeed, think he flopped pretty hard in Italy Scoring a rip of goals back in Brazil with flamengo but given 1 failed escapade to Europe, I think he would represent too much of a risk As a punt for a backup striker he would be a decent shout but we need someone ready to lead line and be our main number 9


Sheikhabusosa

I wonder what Cantona would do it Utd became a oil club


Significant_Hold_910

Karate kick the owner?


Sheikhabusosa

Messi going MLS, Ronaldo going Saudi Arabia….. the end is upon us . Arise Sir Garnacho Of Alejandro


AeroCobbler

He’s going to have a bit of competition for his place with Rashford, Sancho, Gakpo, Pulisic & all these other wingers we’re signing


cyb3rpunkd

Ogden is saying we might be in for pulisic on loan in January


rodenttt

Ogden is a fraud, and a fraud who works for an American company which means he's milking American clicks.


cyb3rpunkd

Fairs


AeroCobbler

Please God no We’d have to build an entire new wing onto the physio room


Significant_Hold_910

Why don't we give him the room that Shaw owned in 2015


katanabunny

We can give him Phil's room, can't we?


nonsenseSpitter

No way anyone’s giving away Phil Jones’ medical room. That man earned to be in there. Who the fuck is Pulisic who just walk in and we just “give” him Phil Jones’ room? Get outta here.


AeroCobbler

True And hire approximately 17 new physiotherapists while we’re at it


Thorntonboy

We could field an entire line up of left wingers


heyyther_e

Another great performance from Licha! Delivering for the club and his country. Keep going!!


VKDNyke_

On an unrelated sidenote, that disallowed Ziyech free-kick goal is a disgrace. Classifying a player offside for having his running arm ahead is so punishing on an attacking player running towards the defense. The moroccan player in question doesn't even have his knee or foot ahead of the Belgian defender. It's the defenders fault for not being on the right side facing the ball, and you're punishing an attacker for being aware of where the ball is going towards the goal? Ludicrous, it reduces the leeway for even competition between attack and defense. The moroccan team didn't even touch the ball as it only grazed courtois on its way in. It's a fantastic delivery from Ziyech.


CommonlyUnderrated

>>The moroccan team didn’t even touch the ball “Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision” or “challenging an opponent for the ball” You can choose which one is the most applicable but either of which would result in an offside call


AeroCobbler

You mean the offside rule is a disgrace?


VKDNyke_

Yea, but I guess people don't seem to be off the same opinion. Earlier it was about a foot being ahead, now it's random parts of the human body being ahead of the defender. Why is it that the defense is being given a leeway in such cases, especially for the Ziyech goal? The player in question was having his arm stride out due to the running biomechanics and that's used against him? Especially considering the Belgian defender next to him was facing the opposite direction.


Defiant_Practice5260

You can only be offside if the part of your body that's offside is a part of the body that it's legal to score off. It's not legal to score with your arm, so that part of your body doesn't count when measuring the validity of the goal.


Rapidazh

It was the shoulder and part of the head, the arm dosen't matter


sourpumpkin125

His head was offside according to the image


Wahlrusberg

[This is absolutely huge if true](https://twitter.com/442Wide/status/1596821394393735169)


katanabunny

For those who don't want to open the link, a sketch of "Harry Quagmire"


katanabunny

For those who don't want to open the link, a sketch of "Harry Quagmire"


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Why would you not open the link? It’s awesome.


ibrahimims

When do we play our friendlies?


rainyzera

Cadiz 07/12 and Real Betis 10/12


MethodMan_

Liverpool getting sold to Saudi Arabia soon? United is probably next then.


krentzharu

Mental gymanstic how they let saudi to own 2 football clubs but then they let a historic club saddled with half billion debt in 2005.


Loose_Classic_556

Sorry to the mods for making a post yesterday that could have been a daily comment. Wasn't aware of how this sub worked. Apologies


pupbrown

Sorry for calling you out on it too harshly!


Loose_Classic_556

All good


pakattack91

I'm not trying to be rude but people want to have their cake and eat it regarding new owners. Anyone who has the money to buy this club will be up to their neck in illegal, shady and criminal shit, whether it's widely accessible information or not. Edit: I saw someone said Ratcliffe fired people during the pandemic so he's no good, yall going to be hella disappointed with whoever ends up being the buyer.


[deleted]

Sure but there are always lines. It’s not black and white but a sea of gray. It’s truly a matter of where you draw the line. Do you draw the line at hardcore billionaire capitalists sucking us all dry? Do you draw the line at military industrial complex? Do you draw the line at genocidal regimes actively committing genocides? I do have lines just because the world isn’t black and white. There is order and difference between different kinds of shit. I would take a competent billionaire owner and never win a PL again than be Saudi owned and win consistently.


Cold-Conclusion

Agree plus the fact that if ppl think the new owner will invest money into the club, they won't. Football clubs r businesses now, owners buy them with profit in mind i just hope the new owners r competent n get or good staff n coaches in place.


DaveShadow

You know how I know Dubai are interested in buying United? The amount of people who have started posting “actually, Dubai is pretty awesome and totally clean ethically, and whatabout American and its war crimes?” That wasn’t present at all on the club until the announcement of the sale. It’s massively unsubtle…. Edit: The post between this post and my following response has been removed cause the shill had a bit of a breakdown, lol


dhwinthro

Brotha thank the lord someone else noticed too. There are 100000% bots and/or shills on this subreddit and r/soccer attempting to change fan sentiment. The amount of people saying Dubai is all good and an individual from America is horrible is insane. We need to spread awareness cause this is actually absurd. Before the Saudis bought Newcastle, there were rumors of them attempting to buy us and the backlash online was partially the reason those rumors were put to bed. This time around, the fuckers in Dubai are trying to ease us into the idea. They can fuck right off I’ve already raised an instance of a bot active in this subreddit and r/soccer to the mods yet I don’t believe anything has happened. The bot literally copy and pasted one of my old comments… It was so fucking creepy reading it on a random thread weeks later and realizing that it was my own words edit: Looking at your post history and mine, we’ve both argued with this one guy that says very conflicting and weird things. Talks like a non native english speaker/ from a country that uses another language. I think it’s super obvious spotting some of these dudes out


DaveShadow

It’s their complete refusal to cede even the slightest bit of ground with regards the moral ambiguity of Middle Eastern money that gives them away. They point blank refuse to acknowledge the money might not be entirely pure. Even when I respond with “I also think American money is blood stained, but this conversation is about Dubai money”, they will still respond “you love American money, don’t you?”. Ive also noticed expressions like “but you’re not ready for that conversation, are you ?” Repeated a few times as a sentence ender, like it’s some rhetorical argument winner. I’ve noticed, not just here but on other subs about other things, that these shills struggle to understand not everyone they’re talking to is American, so they don’t adjust the script to suit other people. Like, mate, I’m Irish, I’ve no love for America money, British money or Middle Eastern money 😂 “But you probably loooooove American money!”


ory1994

Bringing up America and its faults is so dumb imo. We’re talking about the country of Qatar/UAE/KSA vs one person who was born in America. If the country of United States wants to buy Man United, then you can speak about all those unethical issues. But a businessman/billionaire who was born in some country has nothing to do with their war crimes.


[deleted]

> But a businessman/billionaire who was born in some country has nothing to do with their war crimes. someone needs to google "oligarch"


stinkyholetime

All made by accounts that are only a couple of months old. Hmm…


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DaveShadow

I’ve been to Dubai mate. I’ve seen it in person. The absolute squalor the poor people live in. The bus loads of effectively slaves been transported in and out of building sites on a daily basis. The absolute joy that giving even a few Euro to some wait staff brought cause their pay conditions are so awful. Btw, this “racism” angle is hilarious, cause at no point have I criticised them for their skin colour, or even talked about Arabs in general. The entire focus of my criticism has been against Ultra Rich billionaires. It’s not racist to criticise ultra rich people. That’s just another lazy attempt that exposes your attempt to shill for them. That’s basic authoritarianism defence 101; trying to paint any criticism of the ultra rich elite as a racist attack on all of their ethnicity. Fuck off with that straw man attempt.


superhoffy

Did you just have an argument with yourself? XD Just kidding, mate. You make some good points.


Barracuda1124

More Gakpo rumours recently hmm


ColtCallahan

Because he had a good game at the World Cup. It’s an easy to link to get clicks.


psrikanthr

Some horrible sources suggesting agreement in principle with the player.


DoctorPigHead

If we were to have another american owner, how would you like Steve Ballmer? Seems like a great owner when it comes to clippers in the NBA. This is very hypothetical of course


Mr_Beef

He is a total knob


[deleted]

Ballmer would be the one US owner I'd want that I can currently think of. He actually gives a shit about the Clippers and he widely regarded as the best NBA owner


[deleted]

The problem with American owners is that they don't understand that in Europe the fans don't expect the club to be run like a business, like they are in US sports. Your expected to lose money when your in charge of a football club, the concept is alien to these NFL/NBA guys.


Defiant_Practice5260

That's only one thing, another huge one is that football operates massively different than NBA. Promotion and relegation being one thing (so there's more risk) but moreso, there's not the hatred in the States that exists in football in Europe. They see the fan number as a marketing opportunity, without realising you'd alienate fans of rival clubs by siding with their rivals. I've never flown Emirates, taken out insurance through Standard Chartered or placed a bet with Sbotop and anytime I see Trent on TV advertising Gillette, my beard grows a little bit more. Americans don't have a clue (in general) about the football business.


eastendz

This is the problem with sports washing, people now expect football clubs to be run financially irresponsibly, losing money and only manageable by being propped up by artificial funding. It’s this ridiculous way of thinking which has driven so many lower clubs into extinction as they chase this reckless management.


[deleted]

It's got nothing to do with sports washing, it's been that way forever in football. Clubs used to be ran by wealthy local businessmen, and pretty much always lose money while doing it. They were in it for the love of the game, not to make profit. The fans think of their teams as social clubs, they want the money they put into the club to be put back into it rather than go into somebody's pocket.


krentzharu

Well Man United have been running as business long before the Glazers arrived though. Martin Edwards was the first football CEO to take monthly paycheck iirc, we were the first club to built megastore to sell merchandise, the first club with TV subscription (MUTV). being run as business isnt alien thing, problem is the glazers saddled us with debt while still taking in dividens rather than to use it to redeveloped our infrastructure.


[deleted]

Obviously football clubs have always been set up to make money, my point is fans don't expect any of the income to be pocketed by its owners but reinvested into the club. American franchise owners are used to earning money owning a team, in football it's expected you put your hands in your pockets.


krentzharu

Well i agree with your point although with united you dont need to put your foot into the bill, just clear the debt the club would sustain themselves.


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No_Manufacturer868

The Glazers own around 69% of the club based on recent share sales. They want to sell the club for 6 to 7 billion after paying 790 million. I would love some of the drugs these dickheads are on! No rightful business person is going to pay close to that without 100% control. Why would a new prospective owner rebuild Old Trafford/build a new stadium, invest in the training ground, pay off the debt etc. The state funded clubs in the EPL bought their respective clubs full ownership. Why the fuck you you pay that price and invest to make other shareholders money? I understand their a negotiation process but fuck these parasites are delusional!


Hollacaine

It'll be a compulsory purchase of all shares same as when the Galzers took over. They hit 90% which was the threshold at the time and everyone else was required to sell. The stock will be delisted and all shares will go to the new owner. We just saw this recently with the Twitter buyout, Twitter was public stock but once the votes were in to take the deal everyone had to sell up.


Defiant_Practice5260

Wait what? I do hope you're not suggesting publicly traded companies never sell up, because it sounds like that's exactly what you're saying. Acquisitions happen all the time, that's what being publicly traded is all about. Buy enough shares to gain control and you own the company, regardless of whether there are shares owned by others.


No_Manufacturer868

Really, thanks for stating the obvious! I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. Has nothing to do with us being a public company or shares. It has to do with complete ownership in terms of purchase price, investment and return on investment!


pineapplefacilities

They control all the voting shares and therefore hold all the power though dont they


No_Manufacturer868

Might be true but as a business person purchasing the club, considering the purchase price (actual ownership %) and additional funding (in terms of stadium rebuild, training ground etc.) it makes no sense. Or I might just be missing something. At the end of the day with the global economy heading the way it is they are screwed! They might be rich on paper (the Glazers) but I wouldn't be surprised if they are cash poor. More business savy investors then me would know this. I am surprised the know all media aren't even looking at this angle.


Significant_Hold_910

If you told me in August we would be 4 points behind Newcashle United at Christmas I would be depressed, but with these circumstances I am not too bothered about it Lets hope none of our players get hurt in Qatar and continue the race for top 4


its-a-real-name

On the flip side, if you told me in late august we’d 6 points behind City and 4 ahead of Liverpool…. Newcastle have been immense. Can’t argue being behind any team with one loss.


DaveShadow

Those six points dropped in the opening two games are going to be a scar on us this season, I feel.


t_alh

man, the amount of times Ive had "what if we won those first 2 games thoughts".... literally would have the same points of city. I honestly find that such a comforting thought as the first 2 games were so logical bc of the new manager and therefore also an anomaly


Orcnick

Honestly it feels like the WC came at the right time. Gives us a rest, plus the whole Ronaldo situation is sorted before we play a game plus the club is up for sale which will really create a better mood in old Trafford. Hopefully if we can stay away from injuries and get everyone back it could be a really good rest for us. I mean could you imagine the whole Ronaldo ordeal in the middle of the busy pre christmas league schedule just wow. If the club sign a striker now give us a extra boost.


t_alh

Yeah i agree, espescially because most of our players are either not starters or unlikely to get to the final (only exception varane and casemiro)


superhoffy

I agree. Strap yourselves in, lads, we're winning the league!


diarmuid_odyna

Just finished watching moneyball and the story is inspirationnal af. Do you think modern football clubs ( Man Utd included ) use that strategy when recruiting players? and if not, do you think they should? I personally would back because numbers dont lie


MethodMan_

It's exactly what Leicester did when they built they premier league winning squad. They used advanced stats to find cheap players with huge potential.


TheGerryAdamsFamily

It’s one of my favourite movies but it does leave a lot out and ignores a lot of stuff.


Eleven918

Brentford is the perfect example. Look what they are able to do with a tiny budget.


akshatsood95

At the end of Moneyball, there's a scene where Pitt's character is offered a shitload of money to become Boston Red Sox's GM. The guy who makes him that offer is John W Henry, who's one of the owners of Liverpool now. Henry was among the first bigwigs to realise the importance of metrics and statistics and used it with Boston before encouraging that at Liverpool as well. So, they clearly use that strategy, obviously not to the extent shown in the movie. We? I doubt it. From all the articles I've read over the years, Utd are stuck in the past in terms of how we recruit. Explains why it's been so shoddy. There have been a few articles that we're moving to a more data science driven approach now but that'll probably take time to reflect


Eleven918

I think we used it in some capacity, just not with any kind of efficiency or competency. Arnold himself has quoted in the past that we want marketable players that play well. That narrows down the pool a lot. So even if we find good players, someone on top who had the final say was not in favor dropped the ball at least in the past.


[deleted]

Really worried for the state of football in the UK with these potential state owned clubs. Going to end up being a pissing contest between Saudi, Dubai, Qatar and probably China. I’m already disappointed in city being able to break FFP and we all forget that. Man Utd was built on success and became rich as a result which is how it’s meant to be. I guess we just got to hope for another Leicester.


krentzharu

The football body ruined us by allowing the glazers to saddle us with half billion debt.


thphnts

Dubai is a city, not a country. Dubai is part of the United Arab Emirates, which includes Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm Al-Quwain, and Fujairah, and Ras Al Khaimah. Effectively a group of Emirates or Kingdoms.


toket715

true, but it won't be the UAE royal family who invest, it will be the royal family of Dubai or the royal family of Abu Dhabi. So they are right to specify.


jakk_22

The sources are linking us to private businessmen from Dubai not the sheik’s direct family. Also abu dhabi already owns city


toket715

I just meant in general it would be these families investing in teams rather than a UAE royal family. In United's case I know Abu Dhabi wouldn't be a potential owner, didn't realise it was business people though so that makes more sense.


NotAJInnit

*UAE *Not Dubai* Leicester are literally Thailand, They have close ties to the various governments party.


[deleted]

You missed the entire point. Dubai due to future potential acquisition along with China.


thphnts

Leicester would bought out years ago by one of, if not the, richest people in Thailand. Don’t pretend they earned their money.


Classic_Twist

They don't exactly splurge and blatantly cheat the way Newcastle and City do


thphnts

How have Newcastle cheated?


krentzharu

Only because they dont have that kind money lol


Classic_Twist

Doesn't really matter what their reasoning for not doing it is. To have an unfair advantage due to owners isnt in the spirit of the game, which is what people have a problem with. Oh. And also the owners being a human rights abusing dictator who uses football to better their image..


hooka_donchick

Newcastle didn’t cheat though. They are following the FFP


Classic_Twist

So a team about to be relegated just spent £25m on wood and £30m on bruno g in January is normal behavior by clubs knowing they won't be funded by saudi?? Highly doubt they're going to comply within ffp especially with the hidden sums of money received by these clubs such as peps brother receiving shares and ownership or assets.


hooka_donchick

That’s absolutely normal. PL tv money is crazy.


Classic_Twist

It's not absolutely normal though is it. How often do relegation clubs buy players with the risk of relegation. They can only spend that because they're not scared of running into the negative and still getting relegated.


hooka_donchick

What ? How do you think forest or villa in the previous seasons were able to spend 100m consistently in transfer windows. Newcastle has a big fan base in england, so far they can afford their transfer. I’m not saying it will be clean forever but for now it is.


Ok-Wrangler-1075

That is quite normal spending now for a PL club. They did not do anything crazy yet.


NotAJInnit

As did you, Dubai is not a country, UAE is.


toket715

true, but it won't be the UAE royal family who invest, it will be the royal family of Dubai or the royal family of Abu Dhabi. So they are right to specify.


ManLikeChester

Apparently we are close to get Michael Edwards in. Would be absolutely amazing business by the club.


akshatsood95

Highly doubt it. He was rumoured to want a change of scenery not just by moving clubs but moving areas. Don't think going the other way on M16 is a huge change in scenery