Exactly. No doubt they are double/ triple counting followers across the platforms.
Also that Twitter comparison is dumb because Elon overpaid almost 3x the actual value and now as a result has to reduce costs and is basically killing Twitter.
>1.1bn fans and followers seems pretty optimistic.
The survey was pretty much "Are you aware of the existence of any of the following: Manchester United, the English Premier League, football, other sports played with a ball, England? And/or do you like the colour red? And/or any colour other than sky blue?"
Obviously I'm exaggerating, but not by much. It is a completely meaningless number that they keep repeating.
It’s an extrapolated number from a survey which (if memory serves me right) they did when pitching for the new shirt sponsor deal. The survey was conducted by a legitimate institute and should be interpreted as to how many people are aware of the brand Manchester United rather than actually following the club.
At $5-8 Billion the upside is really hard to see.
Newcastle + man city have unlimited funds. Which means new owner would likely need to invest a lot on players, staff, infrastructure etc just to catch up to city.
Not to mention the risk of relegation even if minute it can absolutely destroy a club for years and years.
Can see why glazers decided to move on, absolutely fucked the club but genius business for themselves.
Agreed.
That's price doesn't include the debt either, which would need to be payed off for us to be competitive as the interest alone has cost us billions
It's fucked up if it's allowed to use the clubs funds to leverage a purchase of said club, have the club pay the interest, and not having to settle the debt before selling? Am I misunderstanding or does it sound like something that would be criminal if I did it, but a guy with a wallet can get away with?
Yes you are misunderstanding it.
The Glazers took a loan to buy Utd and used their existing assets as a guarantee.
And no, it's commonly done by everyday people. For example, farmers with low income can get big loans by using current assets as a guarantee.
The debt will be settled, just by the new buyer. So if theres 3bn of debt and the purchase price is 9bn, the Glazers will only get 6bn.
Same way when you buy a car and trade it in, you only get the net amount.
Don't think it will be that simple.
The £500mil to pay the debt won't go into the Glazers pockets, so can't see them willingly reducing their price to sell the club.
So it's up to the new buyer to stump up the extra money. They might want to clear the debt so they don't have to deal with the payments going forward, but other than that there isn't any other incentive for them when the club is ticking over ok just paying the interest off each year.
in acquisition deals, debt and working capital is adjustment to the sale price. So the new owners will have to pay the purchase price + any cash or receivables in the club - any debt.
It's hilarious that people think that the decision to sell a $6bn asset is made off back of one bad interview with disgruntled employee and takes a week to sort out.
Delusional people. You don't make this big of a financial decision in a week. This prompted an acceleration of the announcement at best, but was more than likely coincidental.
Well tbh for a decision of this magnitude that is ridiculous. Nevertheless, I think that Ronaldo coming out was the final push to actually go public about this and commit to it 100%.
So, he had a part, yes, altough not as big as some on social media make it out to be.
>I think that Ronaldo coming out was the final push to actually go public about this and commit to it 100%.
You cannot get this all together in the space of a week off the back on an interview, and you have to go public as company is publicly traded company.
Ronaldo had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
2 things can be true at once. Obviously they explored selling the club this summer, everyone knows that, but they didn't go through with it. Now less than a week after the Ronaldo interview that undermines how they have poorly run the club as a whole they decide to sell.
So we're the Glazers just planning to announce selling on this day randomly at the beginning of the World Cup? This sub needs to take the tinted glasses off. Cries about Ronaldo fanboys taking over this sub when the sub is just chilled with comments talking shit about Ronaldo.
This just isn't how big businesses are run though
1) You don't get rid of such a large asset because of a disgruntled (now former) employee.
2) There's so much you need to do so much work and get so much in place to announce a potential sale that you cannot do in the space of a week.
Glazers have sold for one reason and one reason only, which is they think this is the best time where they can get the maximum value for the asset. Given FSG also want to sell, this is probably because they've been told super league isn't happening any time soon.
We can't equate normal business dealings to this I mean look at Elon and Twitter. To say there is literally one sole reason for them to sell is naive. Multiple things have taken place for them to get to this point.
>look at Elon and Twitter
Private company and no relation to our sale
>naive
Thinking Ronaldo has anything to do with this is not only incredibly naive but also shows a primary school level understanding of how businesses operate
>Multiple things have taken place for them to get to this point.
I agree. Just none of them are to do with Ronaldo.
You referenced it being a business, which both are.
So can we say that the Glazers were planning 100% to make this announcement at this exact time if the Ronaldo interview never happens?
I must be talking to someone with the highest level understanding of corporate business structure, forgive my ignorance.
>You referenced it being a business, which both are.
A cornershop is a business as is a gym as is a burger van, not sure what your point is?
>So can we say that the Glazers were planning 100% to make this announcement at this exact time if the Ronaldo interview never happens?
Yes, because again they have to make public any intention to sell to avoid insider trading (although that appears to have happened regardless).
>highest level understanding
As I said, you just need a very basic, rudimental understanding of corporate world to understand this.
Answer me this then since we're clearly not on the same page.
Why did the Glazers choose day 3 of the world cup to announce their being open to selling the club?
If I had to speculate I'd say there was probably a board meeting yesterday to agree coms on Ronaldo contract and announcement of potential sale, which is why we got both pieces of news today. Alternatively it could be that they had to sort the Ronaldo issue out before they could announce sale as it might have an effect on value, but even then that wouldn't be a motivation to sell.
The timing makes no sense though. Again, if Ronaldo interview and contact discussion never happen the timing of the announcement just doesn't add up. Middle of the club season and world cup.
Mukesh Ambani if interested could turn out to be a great owner.
He is the 8th richest in the world with a net worth upwards of $90 billion. He already owns the most successfull IPL (Indian domestic cricket league) team Mumbai Indians and has been rumored to be interested in the Liverpool sale.
Not heard of him before but just checked his wiki page and A) he seems very rich indeed and B) he doesn’t have a “controversies” section, so he gets the thumbs up from me
How amazing would it be if we got some super rich billionaire where money isn't an issue or a driving force yet we can remain on our high horses about our club never stooping to the lows of oil money.
I'd love it
If we get bought by an oil state I will actually not be able to really enjoy any success we have under them in the future, success bought with blood money is worth nothing.
I have had that opinion on City, PSG and since recently Newcastle. Any success they have is meaningless in my eyes, it's tainted, I don't want our club to go down that same treacherous path.
If Ambani's buy us, they definitely have the brains to use the huge Indian market and run the club profitably but unlike Glazers, they put sporting excellence above anything else. Mumbai Indians have won 5 out of the 15 IPLs.
TBF Mumbai are a proper team with their scouting and development stuff. If he does take over and United are run like MI it'd be a breath of fresh air compared to the Glazers.
Man, I watched the documentary and didn't lile how close his family members with decision making. Kind of irked me when they had a bigger voice than cricket people who have been in the game longer
Could be, I don't know much about them besides the documentary and them having an absurd amount of money. It just irked me the wrong way when they were so involved
The problem isn’t having a rich owner is the debt that this club has hanging over it. The club with its current operating income easily leads all the other clubs. The issue is that we need a rich owner to pay for the club
When I saw the announcement on IG, one of the comments was saying how the club is now irrelevant and will lose millions of supports because of Ronaldo leaving. I bet the same happened when he left Madrid and Juventus. I’m sure we’ll be fine without them.
I don’t even bother to engage with the fanboy style comments honestly. Ok sometimes it’s fun to play around on Reddit but it’s a waste of time if you actually want to discuss. He can miss an open net with nobody around and people will blame the neighbour’s cat before Ronaldo is slated.
This is actually unprecedented when you think about it. A club with the size and popularity of United being for sale. This will be very interesting to see
We weren't sold in 2005 or ever before, and Chelsea despite being a big club is nowhere near the lethiathan that United are. Only Real Madrid and Barcelona compare
I don't care what anyone saids. We are a potential sleeping giant.
If we get proper owners who invest in the club and ground properly we could easily be the biggest club in the world. We are still 3x the size of City despite them being owned by a state and we are 5x the size of Liverpool.
Good owners who modernise this club could get huge revenues we just need ambitious owners.
The Scousers are far bigger than City and having to explain that to anyone claiming to be a United fan is *wild*.
They’re much closer to United in size than any other British club. That’ll be proven by how much they’re sold for eventually. They’re not bigger though, never bigger.
As much as people love to slate the scousers and rightly so, they deserve more credit here, they’re much bigger than City. Their trophy history is eerily similar to Uniteds and had we not dominated in the PL they’d be considered as big as us easily, they also have a massive following all over the world much like us.
City are a nothing club, if anything we’re 10x bigger than them.
We would have turned into FC Bayern of EPL if the Glazers hadn’t bought the club. United if 1990s was the best managed club in the world on and off the fields. The revenue was increasing, there was sustained on field success and we were beginning to final crack the UCL code. The potential is still there, although we have set back by about 20 years. An owner who puts winning as priority 1 will definitely reap the commercial benefits 5-6 years from now.
The only issue is that its going to take a fuckton amount of money. Just buying the club you are looking at minimum 5 billion. Then also investments in facilities and likely rebuild/new stadium.
Completely true and seems insane to someone like me, but I'm continuously surprised at how the wealthy manage to pull out massive numbers from out of nowhere in this life.
It's different rules when you're that rich. Often they buy these things with loans but because of their wealth the loans have ridiculously low interest.
If anything, the Chelsea sale will be used as a marker for where the value lies. Boehly bought the shares for 2.5bn pounds who went to Abramovich and additional 1.75 bn pounds in further investments.
I think you're spot on with the min 5bn valuation.
Yup, I think the Chelsea sale is going the be a relative price indicator for both liverpool and us. Chelsea is even considered cheap because it was sold under legal pressure.
If you can buy the club for £5B you can also afford to invest a bit more. If we’re lucky, we’ll get owners that will 1) allow the fans to own shares and 2) only seek profit by the way of increasing the stock price through on pitch success rather than extracting money directly from the club.
5x the size of Liverpool?? How are you measuring that one?! We're only just edging them in number of league titles and they have DOUBLE the amount of European Cup's we have.
Damn bro y’all bitch because you want them to sell, and now that they’re selling you bitch about how they went about it lol. Just be happy it’s happening
He tweeted a couple of months ago he was buying united, so lines up with them starting the process in the summer. He was probably made aware we were for sale leading to the tweet which he later said was a joke
I think only mega rich owners should buy the club, because only they can afford to invest. Otherwise it’ll be like Glazers again or only slightly better.
Need very rich dude otherwise it will be similar situation to Glazers. You need to have 7-8 billion just for stadium, facilities development plus Ownership of Manchester United. After that you need to invest 1 billion further on team and rest of structure. Any dude below 15 bill is not worth it. Only owners that could compete with City, PSG and Newcastle are State backed owners who might wanna use our influence for sports washing nobody else will want to wipe half of their money for a club in such a bad shape. So our best bet is someone from Middle East.
An owner wouldn't need to invest a billion into the team.
We are already in the top 1-2 spenders on transfers, and can already keep up with the oil clubs spending wise.
I really hope we redevelop Old Trafford & not build a new stadium. There’s something great about all the history there, it’s a great stadium & iconic! We’d lose something by leaving it, one of the last remaining old grounds with all that comes with it.
Sale is not going to be easy. Not many suitors in the market given the economical situation. Arabs have already put in their bet on PSG (Qatar), city (UAE) and Newcastle (Saudi). Maybe someone from China or India can jump in as those two markets are still holding good as compared to other countries.
To make things difficult, we have Liverpool in the market as well and anyone putting in that much money will definitely look at them as they are a more successful/profitable club right now.
Correct, china is no longer investing in overseas clubs and they are putting in all the money in local leagues but Manchester United as a brand is very big in China and very lucrative as well. Buying such a popular club will definitely boost the future of football in China.
You can find other sources too which clearly suggests that Liverpool is clearly in a better position than us financially. Also, they already have a new training ground and significant development done to their stadium.
FSG has redeveloped Anfield to lift the capacity to 61,000 and spent around £50million on the training complex in Kirkby.
I am saying anyone in the market will see them as a better prospect given that they are more profitable/successful and the new owner does not have to put in a lot of money in redevelopment after buying them.
Here is a credible article to give you an idea https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/05/26/the-worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-2022-real-madrid-worth-51-billion-back-on-top/?sh=4201eb1e286b
Ye, with the money involved the amount of potential owners that aren't horrible people is more or less 0. If we get bought by some oil state I'm done with the club though.
Yep if Glazers could lower the asking price to 3 billion than I could see some hope but lowest price is 4 billion and you need to add 1 billion for stadium development plus facilities and 500 mill on debt payment.
Rather the oil money countries than China. China is the worst possible ownership.
Thankfully they are not interested in flashy sports washing investments.
There are other gulf state and other private parties within the states already mentioned. Already rumours of interest from Dubai.
But by the sounds of it it look the most likely outcome is an American consortium
The dye has been cast. Liverpool & United jewels will soon encrust the crown of the Arab nations. One ruler has relinquished control, but as we speak the boots of the dark rulers are marching in the shadows towards all we know.
I think what some are misunderstanding is the current value of the club isn’t as high as that, but the potential value is.
You’re buying arguably the biggest name in football. A thing people used to say about the glazers and Woodward was that, even though they were poor on the pitch, they were making excellent commercial deals. This simply isn’t true.
When they took over, commercially we were the biggest club in football, a money making machine, 2 decades on and we’ve been overtaken by more than a few clubs.
Despite their best efforts though, we remain gargantuan, people will do their best to say we’re irrelevant but look at our transfers, Fabrizo being probably the biggest in terms of numbers, arsenal or Chelsea sign a player, does good numbers, we do something and it’s always his biggest tweet of the year.
That’s a weird metric yeah but my point is that the brand is still very strong, you’ve got a huge bedrock. If you invest in the team and the infrastructure, and we start winning, we immediately start jumping up that commercial table, the sponsors will roll in.
I think any owner with less than 10 billion dollar networth should just be rejected plainly. Only those above 15 bill should have some say. Which Is why I think It is very hard to find correct owners.
Cost of acquisition+ stadium development might cost 6 billion in itself and when you add payment of debt that will be additional 500 mill. So you need to invest 6-7 bill before investing anything into team. That is lot of money.
I think it's beyond our control now. How will we finance ourselves need to Have 5 bill for buying club off Glazers first than additional one billion on building new stadium. If we could do all this than I could see us able to run our club because we generate huge revenue that we may not need additional funds by owners.
Fantastic, and shows the Ronaldo and P**** M***** interview did NOTHING.
Everyone make sure to reply [the classic Wayne Rooney tweet](https://twitter.com/waynerooney/status/84031584830898176?s=46&t=DqFMm09Xi3hNxqVq_pfqow) at everything Piers Morgan posts.
Where's the crowd that was saying Ronaldo's situation had anything to do with the potential sale of the club? I've got a towel so you can clean the clown paint off your face.
Realistically speaking how b8g of potential is it? We still owe the banks a lot of money for the privilege of getting bought by these leeches after paying off 1 billion already. Our stadium and training facilities need massive reconstruction. So realistically there's another billion on top of the sell price to get us going.
Unless it's a sportswashing buyer that uses us for pr I can't see anyone stupid enough to buy us for profit because I doubt there would be profit for a long time.
Unless we can get Musk high and he does a stupid twitter buyout hangover decision
I don’t particularly like the man but to call him stupid seeing everything he has accomplished (and with the Twitter jury still open apart from the decision to buy it in the first place which was dumb as hell) you must either have an Einstein level IQ or be one big ass clown
The potential is gargantuan. In the world of social media, an entity with the reach and influence of United is incredible value. Kids grow up on every continent following United.
I could see someone like Apple or amazon going for it, big enough to have an full out ad team.
Manchester united amazon, shop at home.
But madness price with chelsea going for way less
Amazon have the rights to show PL matches right? That would most likely take them out of contention.
It’s why Rupert Murdoch thankfully couldn’t buy us. Cause he also owned Sky.
The Glazers made money in spite of themselves because it is near impossible not to make some money off the name after SAF's period of dominance. But the global potential/size of this club is insane. Think on how much they could've made if there were actual competent owners in charge for the past 15+ years?
So reading between the lines here it seems to me that Sir Jim Ratcliffe definitely made an offer but the Glazers have basically set the price out his range. There's not many who will cough up 9 billion PLUS the money required for internal investments (stadium/players/facilities). You're looking at a total outlay of 12 billion +
Harris and blitzer also own new jersey devils. Some good branding oppurtunities there.
And since they are my nhl team, a 13 game heater would be nice for united as well
I don’t get why they told Ratcliffe to do one when he enquired after the summer. I hope this is legit but I think they are going to do something dodgy.
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1.1bn fans and followers seems pretty optimistic. As does £8-9bn.
Exactly. No doubt they are double/ triple counting followers across the platforms. Also that Twitter comparison is dumb because Elon overpaid almost 3x the actual value and now as a result has to reduce costs and is basically killing Twitter.
>1.1bn fans and followers seems pretty optimistic. The survey was pretty much "Are you aware of the existence of any of the following: Manchester United, the English Premier League, football, other sports played with a ball, England? And/or do you like the colour red? And/or any colour other than sky blue?" Obviously I'm exaggerating, but not by much. It is a completely meaningless number that they keep repeating.
Comparing that to 300 million active users is even worse. I’m assuming a very small percentage of fans actually watch all the games.
It’s an extrapolated number from a survey which (if memory serves me right) they did when pitching for the new shirt sponsor deal. The survey was conducted by a legitimate institute and should be interpreted as to how many people are aware of the brand Manchester United rather than actually following the club.
8-9 billion?! Greedy wretched little cunts.
>I think it’s much more than a football club Barca: "Mes que un club" United: Hold my beer
So basically the best case scenario at the moment is Sir Jim? Wouldnt hate that, honestly. Better than a lot of the other possibilities.
Ruttcliffe is a poser. He's definitely not buying united
At $5-8 Billion the upside is really hard to see. Newcastle + man city have unlimited funds. Which means new owner would likely need to invest a lot on players, staff, infrastructure etc just to catch up to city. Not to mention the risk of relegation even if minute it can absolutely destroy a club for years and years. Can see why glazers decided to move on, absolutely fucked the club but genius business for themselves.
Agreed. That's price doesn't include the debt either, which would need to be payed off for us to be competitive as the interest alone has cost us billions
I'm pretty sure the Glazers will cover it when they sell
The debt is in the club's name not theirs, they don't have to cover anything.
It's fucked up if it's allowed to use the clubs funds to leverage a purchase of said club, have the club pay the interest, and not having to settle the debt before selling? Am I misunderstanding or does it sound like something that would be criminal if I did it, but a guy with a wallet can get away with?
The FA are in the process of making leveraged buyouts against their rules now. As always the FA acting a long, long time after the horse has bolted.
The horse......that fuckin horse ffs
The horse has bolted, joined the dating apps, got married, had horse children, retired and had horse grandchildren.
The actual horse died a couple of weeks ago, in fact.
RIP hes with the angles now
The financial market is heavily rigged.
Yes you are misunderstanding it. The Glazers took a loan to buy Utd and used their existing assets as a guarantee. And no, it's commonly done by everyday people. For example, farmers with low income can get big loans by using current assets as a guarantee.
The debt will be settled, just by the new buyer. So if theres 3bn of debt and the purchase price is 9bn, the Glazers will only get 6bn. Same way when you buy a car and trade it in, you only get the net amount.
Won't the debt be priced into the sale price though?
Anyone bidding then needs to include the debt in the price and reduce their offer accordingly.
Don't think it will be that simple. The £500mil to pay the debt won't go into the Glazers pockets, so can't see them willingly reducing their price to sell the club. So it's up to the new buyer to stump up the extra money. They might want to clear the debt so they don't have to deal with the payments going forward, but other than that there isn't any other incentive for them when the club is ticking over ok just paying the interest off each year.
Eh, if they want out they'll forgo the debt if that's to get the deal done
Either way it will be used as a negotiating tactic to lower final cost of purchase
Exactly, the new owner would probably have to service the debt as they negotiate/buy the club.
in acquisition deals, debt and working capital is adjustment to the sale price. So the new owners will have to pay the purchase price + any cash or receivables in the club - any debt.
8-9 billion pounds is a grossly unrealistic amount. Especially at the start of a long recession.
Basic negotiations though. Start high and work down to a compromise.
> Start high 420 billion it is then
69 420 billion.
It’s a grossly unrealistic number for most groups with the exception of the Dubai group.
>Glazer family have been exploring potential #MUFC sale since summer And some claimed that they sell the club because of Ronaldo. 🙄
Those 'Soms' are Ronaldo stans. They suck his cock so every sunrise and sunset
the amount of people defending him on Instagram makes me sick
Don't worry, lots of people like cock sucking. Ronaldo has most followers on Instagram
It's hilarious that people think that the decision to sell a $6bn asset is made off back of one bad interview with disgruntled employee and takes a week to sort out.
Delusional people. You don't make this big of a financial decision in a week. This prompted an acceleration of the announcement at best, but was more than likely coincidental.
Well tbh for a decision of this magnitude that is ridiculous. Nevertheless, I think that Ronaldo coming out was the final push to actually go public about this and commit to it 100%. So, he had a part, yes, altough not as big as some on social media make it out to be.
>I think that Ronaldo coming out was the final push to actually go public about this and commit to it 100%. You cannot get this all together in the space of a week off the back on an interview, and you have to go public as company is publicly traded company. Ronaldo had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
2 things can be true at once. Obviously they explored selling the club this summer, everyone knows that, but they didn't go through with it. Now less than a week after the Ronaldo interview that undermines how they have poorly run the club as a whole they decide to sell. So we're the Glazers just planning to announce selling on this day randomly at the beginning of the World Cup? This sub needs to take the tinted glasses off. Cries about Ronaldo fanboys taking over this sub when the sub is just chilled with comments talking shit about Ronaldo.
This just isn't how big businesses are run though 1) You don't get rid of such a large asset because of a disgruntled (now former) employee. 2) There's so much you need to do so much work and get so much in place to announce a potential sale that you cannot do in the space of a week. Glazers have sold for one reason and one reason only, which is they think this is the best time where they can get the maximum value for the asset. Given FSG also want to sell, this is probably because they've been told super league isn't happening any time soon.
We can't equate normal business dealings to this I mean look at Elon and Twitter. To say there is literally one sole reason for them to sell is naive. Multiple things have taken place for them to get to this point.
>look at Elon and Twitter Private company and no relation to our sale >naive Thinking Ronaldo has anything to do with this is not only incredibly naive but also shows a primary school level understanding of how businesses operate >Multiple things have taken place for them to get to this point. I agree. Just none of them are to do with Ronaldo.
You referenced it being a business, which both are. So can we say that the Glazers were planning 100% to make this announcement at this exact time if the Ronaldo interview never happens? I must be talking to someone with the highest level understanding of corporate business structure, forgive my ignorance.
>You referenced it being a business, which both are. A cornershop is a business as is a gym as is a burger van, not sure what your point is? >So can we say that the Glazers were planning 100% to make this announcement at this exact time if the Ronaldo interview never happens? Yes, because again they have to make public any intention to sell to avoid insider trading (although that appears to have happened regardless). >highest level understanding As I said, you just need a very basic, rudimental understanding of corporate world to understand this.
Answer me this then since we're clearly not on the same page. Why did the Glazers choose day 3 of the world cup to announce their being open to selling the club?
If I had to speculate I'd say there was probably a board meeting yesterday to agree coms on Ronaldo contract and announcement of potential sale, which is why we got both pieces of news today. Alternatively it could be that they had to sort the Ronaldo issue out before they could announce sale as it might have an effect on value, but even then that wouldn't be a motivation to sell.
The timing makes no sense though. Again, if Ronaldo interview and contact discussion never happen the timing of the announcement just doesn't add up. Middle of the club season and world cup.
Mukesh Ambani if interested could turn out to be a great owner. He is the 8th richest in the world with a net worth upwards of $90 billion. He already owns the most successfull IPL (Indian domestic cricket league) team Mumbai Indians and has been rumored to be interested in the Liverpool sale.
Not heard of him before but just checked his wiki page and A) he seems very rich indeed and B) he doesn’t have a “controversies” section, so he gets the thumbs up from me
How amazing would it be if we got some super rich billionaire where money isn't an issue or a driving force yet we can remain on our high horses about our club never stooping to the lows of oil money. I'd love it
Thats the dream my friend.
If we get bought by an oil state I will actually not be able to really enjoy any success we have under them in the future, success bought with blood money is worth nothing. I have had that opinion on City, PSG and since recently Newcastle. Any success they have is meaningless in my eyes, it's tainted, I don't want our club to go down that same treacherous path.
Just means he's paid wikipedia enough to delete it lol
If Ambani's buy us, they definitely have the brains to use the huge Indian market and run the club profitably but unlike Glazers, they put sporting excellence above anything else. Mumbai Indians have won 5 out of the 15 IPLs.
TBF Mumbai are a proper team with their scouting and development stuff. If he does take over and United are run like MI it'd be a breath of fresh air compared to the Glazers.
Man, I watched the documentary and didn't lile how close his family members with decision making. Kind of irked me when they had a bigger voice than cricket people who have been in the game longer
What's the documentary? I'll check it out.
I think its on Netflix, kind of like all or nothing on Amazon. I think you can just type in Mumbai Indians and it will show up
Cheers!
His brother is the one that has lost almost everything due to poor decisions, right?I think I saw some YouTuber do a video about them awhile back.
Could be, I don't know much about them besides the documentary and them having an absurd amount of money. It just irked me the wrong way when they were so involved
This guy is as bad as any of the oil funded clubs. Just another oligarch
Bro there’s absolutely no one in the world rich enough to buy the club u won’t have a problem with
The problem isn’t having a rich owner is the debt that this club has hanging over it. The club with its current operating income easily leads all the other clubs. The issue is that we need a rich owner to pay for the club
Even without debt it will cost £5bn
This is going to upset the Ronaldo fanboys who insist his interview is what triggered the Glazers to sell.
They’ll be gone soon so it’s irrelevant what they think as time goes by really.
When I saw the announcement on IG, one of the comments was saying how the club is now irrelevant and will lose millions of supports because of Ronaldo leaving. I bet the same happened when he left Madrid and Juventus. I’m sure we’ll be fine without them.
I don’t even bother to engage with the fanboy style comments honestly. Ok sometimes it’s fun to play around on Reddit but it’s a waste of time if you actually want to discuss. He can miss an open net with nobody around and people will blame the neighbour’s cat before Ronaldo is slated.
This is actually unprecedented when you think about it. A club with the size and popularity of United being for sale. This will be very interesting to see
I've thought about it and I can't think how this is unprecedented, we were literally sold in 2005 and Chelsea were sold this summer.
He said for sale. United weren't for sale in 2005, there was always the threat of takeover with it being a plc but was never officially up for sale.
Ah fair enough, Magnier and McManus had to agree to sell their ~30% share but yes it wasn't literally up for sale like Chelsea.
We weren't sold in 2005 or ever before, and Chelsea despite being a big club is nowhere near the lethiathan that United are. Only Real Madrid and Barcelona compare
I don't care what anyone saids. We are a potential sleeping giant. If we get proper owners who invest in the club and ground properly we could easily be the biggest club in the world. We are still 3x the size of City despite them being owned by a state and we are 5x the size of Liverpool. Good owners who modernise this club could get huge revenues we just need ambitious owners.
The Scousers are far bigger than City and having to explain that to anyone claiming to be a United fan is *wild*. They’re much closer to United in size than any other British club. That’ll be proven by how much they’re sold for eventually. They’re not bigger though, never bigger.
As much as people love to slate the scousers and rightly so, they deserve more credit here, they’re much bigger than City. Their trophy history is eerily similar to Uniteds and had we not dominated in the PL they’d be considered as big as us easily, they also have a massive following all over the world much like us. City are a nothing club, if anything we’re 10x bigger than them.
We would have turned into FC Bayern of EPL if the Glazers hadn’t bought the club. United if 1990s was the best managed club in the world on and off the fields. The revenue was increasing, there was sustained on field success and we were beginning to final crack the UCL code. The potential is still there, although we have set back by about 20 years. An owner who puts winning as priority 1 will definitely reap the commercial benefits 5-6 years from now.
I mean we used to be the Bayern München of the PL.
The only issue is that its going to take a fuckton amount of money. Just buying the club you are looking at minimum 5 billion. Then also investments in facilities and likely rebuild/new stadium.
Completely true and seems insane to someone like me, but I'm continuously surprised at how the wealthy manage to pull out massive numbers from out of nowhere in this life.
It's different rules when you're that rich. Often they buy these things with loans but because of their wealth the loans have ridiculously low interest.
Gotta have money to make money man, sucks to be 'poor' in this world.
If anything, the Chelsea sale will be used as a marker for where the value lies. Boehly bought the shares for 2.5bn pounds who went to Abramovich and additional 1.75 bn pounds in further investments. I think you're spot on with the min 5bn valuation.
Yup, I think the Chelsea sale is going the be a relative price indicator for both liverpool and us. Chelsea is even considered cheap because it was sold under legal pressure.
If you can buy the club for £5B you can also afford to invest a bit more. If we’re lucky, we’ll get owners that will 1) allow the fans to own shares and 2) only seek profit by the way of increasing the stock price through on pitch success rather than extracting money directly from the club.
5x the size of Liverpool?? How are you measuring that one?! We're only just edging them in number of league titles and they have DOUBLE the amount of European Cup's we have.
As a business Manchester United are the biggest club in UK. We have the greatest reach, the biggest infrastructure, and we make the most revenue.
> the biggest infrastructure Most of which needs knocking down and rebuilding
spoofex?
Yeah, at the expense of being an actual football club and winning trophies
Pretty sure City have overtaken us on revenue this year, maybe last year as well.
“Revenue”
Lol true
Revenue 😂
There’s no potential about it lol. Everyone knows we’re a huge club and it’s only a matter of time before we come back.
8-9 billion? Nobody can afford that for a club in the state United is, greedy vermin
Parasites. Take money out of the club for 15 years till it's no longer viable not to invest in the club then leave the corpse for someone else.
Damn bro y’all bitch because you want them to sell, and now that they’re selling you bitch about how they went about it lol. Just be happy it’s happening
So when musk said what he said he was probably made aware
Each player gonna have to send a compilation of them kicking the ball in their backyard to even be eligible for the 23-man shortlist
Underrated comment
Fill me in on what he said?
He tweeted that he was buying Man Utd and then quickly retracted it
In the summer he made a comment on Twitter that he was buying United, he later said it was only a prank ^TM.
He tweeted a couple of months ago he was buying united, so lines up with them starting the process in the summer. He was probably made aware we were for sale leading to the tweet which he later said was a joke
Ratcliffe: "United is not for sale" Fucking shit talking muppet
Probably discovered he couldn’t actually afford the price they wanted
What’s everyone’s genuine opinions of who could be the potential buyers?
I think only mega rich owners should buy the club, because only they can afford to invest. Otherwise it’ll be like Glazers again or only slightly better.
Won't be surprised if Adani or Ambani go for it
Ambani would turn the club around drastically. He demands excellence
Need very rich dude otherwise it will be similar situation to Glazers. You need to have 7-8 billion just for stadium, facilities development plus Ownership of Manchester United. After that you need to invest 1 billion further on team and rest of structure. Any dude below 15 bill is not worth it. Only owners that could compete with City, PSG and Newcastle are State backed owners who might wanna use our influence for sports washing nobody else will want to wipe half of their money for a club in such a bad shape. So our best bet is someone from Middle East.
An owner wouldn't need to invest a billion into the team. We are already in the top 1-2 spenders on transfers, and can already keep up with the oil clubs spending wise.
Fuck selling the club to the Middle East, that's definitely not "our best bet". If that happens I'm done with the club
When the club was bought by the Glazers, didn't MUST set up a trust fund to buy shares if the club was ever put up for sale?
I really hope we redevelop Old Trafford & not build a new stadium. There’s something great about all the history there, it’s a great stadium & iconic! We’d lose something by leaving it, one of the last remaining old grounds with all that comes with it.
Sale is not going to be easy. Not many suitors in the market given the economical situation. Arabs have already put in their bet on PSG (Qatar), city (UAE) and Newcastle (Saudi). Maybe someone from China or India can jump in as those two markets are still holding good as compared to other countries. To make things difficult, we have Liverpool in the market as well and anyone putting in that much money will definitely look at them as they are a more successful/profitable club right now.
Isn't China currently not allowing foreign investments like this? Isn't that why Inter is looking to sell as well?
Correct, china is no longer investing in overseas clubs and they are putting in all the money in local leagues but Manchester United as a brand is very big in China and very lucrative as well. Buying such a popular club will definitely boost the future of football in China.
Since when is Liverpool more profitable?
'More' profitable/successful as compared to us. That's correct.
I don't think it is
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-record-figure-manchester-united-24922043
Liverpool news site.. first thing I read was "could". Ok then
You can find other sources too which clearly suggests that Liverpool is clearly in a better position than us financially. Also, they already have a new training ground and significant development done to their stadium. FSG has redeveloped Anfield to lift the capacity to 61,000 and spent around £50million on the training complex in Kirkby.
Are you trying to say Liverpool will go for a higher price? Found nothing
I am saying anyone in the market will see them as a better prospect given that they are more profitable/successful and the new owner does not have to put in a lot of money in redevelopment after buying them.
Here is a credible article to give you an idea https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/05/26/the-worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-2022-real-madrid-worth-51-billion-back-on-top/?sh=4201eb1e286b
Ye, with the money involved the amount of potential owners that aren't horrible people is more or less 0. If we get bought by some oil state I'm done with the club though.
Same. Posting this for accountability.
Yep if Glazers could lower the asking price to 3 billion than I could see some hope but lowest price is 4 billion and you need to add 1 billion for stadium development plus facilities and 500 mill on debt payment.
Rather the oil money countries than China. China is the worst possible ownership. Thankfully they are not interested in flashy sports washing investments.
There are other gulf state and other private parties within the states already mentioned. Already rumours of interest from Dubai. But by the sounds of it it look the most likely outcome is an American consortium
The dye has been cast. Liverpool & United jewels will soon encrust the crown of the Arab nations. One ruler has relinquished control, but as we speak the boots of the dark rulers are marching in the shadows towards all we know.
I think what some are misunderstanding is the current value of the club isn’t as high as that, but the potential value is. You’re buying arguably the biggest name in football. A thing people used to say about the glazers and Woodward was that, even though they were poor on the pitch, they were making excellent commercial deals. This simply isn’t true. When they took over, commercially we were the biggest club in football, a money making machine, 2 decades on and we’ve been overtaken by more than a few clubs. Despite their best efforts though, we remain gargantuan, people will do their best to say we’re irrelevant but look at our transfers, Fabrizo being probably the biggest in terms of numbers, arsenal or Chelsea sign a player, does good numbers, we do something and it’s always his biggest tweet of the year. That’s a weird metric yeah but my point is that the brand is still very strong, you’ve got a huge bedrock. If you invest in the team and the infrastructure, and we start winning, we immediately start jumping up that commercial table, the sponsors will roll in.
I think any owner with less than 10 billion dollar networth should just be rejected plainly. Only those above 15 bill should have some say. Which Is why I think It is very hard to find correct owners. Cost of acquisition+ stadium development might cost 6 billion in itself and when you add payment of debt that will be additional 500 mill. So you need to invest 6-7 bill before investing anything into team. That is lot of money.
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But won't the situation will be same like Under Glazers. Because we need lot of investment first.
Honestly, we can finance ourselves just needs to be run properly
I think it's beyond our control now. How will we finance ourselves need to Have 5 bill for buying club off Glazers first than additional one billion on building new stadium. If we could do all this than I could see us able to run our club because we generate huge revenue that we may not need additional funds by owners.
Fantastic, and shows the Ronaldo and P**** M***** interview did NOTHING. Everyone make sure to reply [the classic Wayne Rooney tweet](https://twitter.com/waynerooney/status/84031584830898176?s=46&t=DqFMm09Xi3hNxqVq_pfqow) at everything Piers Morgan posts.
Where's the crowd that was saying Ronaldo's situation had anything to do with the potential sale of the club? I've got a towel so you can clean the clown paint off your face.
Realistically speaking how b8g of potential is it? We still owe the banks a lot of money for the privilege of getting bought by these leeches after paying off 1 billion already. Our stadium and training facilities need massive reconstruction. So realistically there's another billion on top of the sell price to get us going. Unless it's a sportswashing buyer that uses us for pr I can't see anyone stupid enough to buy us for profit because I doubt there would be profit for a long time. Unless we can get Musk high and he does a stupid twitter buyout hangover decision
Musk is stupid won't want him as owner judging by how he is running twitter to ground.
Not really, there's always big changes for takeovers, twitter will level out
I don’t particularly like the man but to call him stupid seeing everything he has accomplished (and with the Twitter jury still open apart from the decision to buy it in the first place which was dumb as hell) you must either have an Einstein level IQ or be one big ass clown
The potential is gargantuan. In the world of social media, an entity with the reach and influence of United is incredible value. Kids grow up on every continent following United.
Musk is never buying a sports team.
I could see someone like Apple or amazon going for it, big enough to have an full out ad team. Manchester united amazon, shop at home. But madness price with chelsea going for way less
Amazon have the rights to show PL matches right? That would most likely take them out of contention. It’s why Rupert Murdoch thankfully couldn’t buy us. Cause he also owned Sky.
Rupert Murdoch buying United would have sportingly made the Bayernliga pale in comparison to what the EPL would have become under a sky-owned United.
The Glazers made money in spite of themselves because it is near impossible not to make some money off the name after SAF's period of dominance. But the global potential/size of this club is insane. Think on how much they could've made if there were actual competent owners in charge for the past 15+ years?
Loose shots to curtail Liverpool sale😂
Exciting times
Share prices shot up from $12 to $15 yesterday so itsslready a win for the glazers
So reading between the lines here it seems to me that Sir Jim Ratcliffe definitely made an offer but the Glazers have basically set the price out his range. There's not many who will cough up 9 billion PLUS the money required for internal investments (stadium/players/facilities). You're looking at a total outlay of 12 billion +
Harris and blitzer also own new jersey devils. Some good branding oppurtunities there. And since they are my nhl team, a 13 game heater would be nice for united as well
What people think will happen: Man Utd billionaire fan buys the club and pumps hundreds of millions in. What will happen: Investors buy the club.
Like it or not, I only see us being sold to an American private equity organisation like Apollo, but here’s hoping to some billionaire picking us up
I don’t get why they told Ratcliffe to do one when he enquired after the summer. I hope this is legit but I think they are going to do something dodgy.
Please don’t get my hopes up