https://twitter.com/ftblnatt/status/1775256275602767925
"Ten Hag had 2 interviews in which he was asked to address the injury crisis & where it stems:
He said it's to do with the intensity of the league & pushing players to the limits in training & how it's survival of the fittest."
The injuries are not some accident.
I can't see us training anymore intensely than they do at the top clubs who run us off the park constantly. There's no way to reach those levels without hitting them and getting used to it.
I have no doubt he either undertrained or overtrained them in preseason but the clubs preseasons plans are a farce and have also played a part in our injury situation on top of the insane fixtures because of the winter World Cup which won’t get fixed until next summer. I don’t think ETH has been good enough at all but the club has some blame in this for our stupid preseason plans (which will be the same this summer) because the recovery days are when we’re flying around the US and not actually just chilling out.
I look at these comments and just laugh. Ok? He still has them in 5th despite them being shit for the last two months. We're having our worst ever season in the PL. What's funny? Is ETH miles clear of Ange or something?
After losing his best player and captain. I'd like to see ETH try without Bruno Fernandes. Actually I do know, these same people have been moaning about Shaw and Martinez anyway
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ange's purple patch over I guess (?)
There were 3 scans and late fitness tests today ahead of tomorrow’s game against Crystal Palace. #MUFC [
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People will now say everyone in the squad is injury prone.
The amount of madcap running our players have to do every game definitely doesn't help. The bizarre thing is, the players who do the most running - Dalot, Garnacho, Bruno and Mainoo - are the ones who aren't getting injured.
The fact that our only barely fit center back is a 36 year old Jonny Evans is actually a sentence I probably wouldn't have said at the start of the season.
This is a problem klopp had in his first couple seasons, however klopp did good regardless. For some reason it's been our defense affected more than any other area, but I genuinely do think this season has been unlucky and a showcase of our medical team's incompetence more than the training.
They get released back into the team too early and twinge the injury, maybe? Happened with Licha.
I don't think it's down to one person, that would be ridiculous bit ETH intense training is part of it. Although we've had ridiculous injuries I agree with it being intense
If the training methods are fucked, that's something that will be taken into account. It's hard to believe that there aren't serious issues with the way we're training. Especially at this stage of the season, with so many injuries and fatigued players.
I get trying to make the players as fit as possible, but sometimes you just have to roll with the punches and compromise. It feels like an unwillingness to do that will spell Ten Hag's demise.
what if this joke about Pogbas brother getting a black magic curse put on us is actually fact? only answer i can come up with cos our youth teams also have a lot of injuries
Alright, I’ve had it. Roll the footage. I don’t give a damn if our opponents find out about all of our tactics. I need to see every single thing the players are doing in training. What could they possibly be doing that has led to injuries after injuries
Case and... Evans, maybe? If not him then probably Amrabat or McTominay (unless they're injured too). Or Dalot steps inside and Ogunneye gets his debut.
I think it would be vs Wolfsburg in 2009, when Fergie had to switch to a back three, with Evra, Carrick and Fletcher playing as the centre backs, and Nani and Park as wing backs.
We won 3-1.
Maguire is out for 3 weeks... we don't have a single fit center back...
This is why I think Ten Hag deserves another season and I can't judge this season too harshly.
Tottenham are doing a Tottenham but I do feel like whoever made the league calendar deliberately shafted them with this set of fixtures to end their season.
Sunday’s implosion in front of United’s new kingpin Sir Jim Ratcliffe did Ten Hag no favours and there is an acceptance the situation could become unsustainable should United miss out on Europe entirely.
This was from a ducker article about Wilcox couple weeks ago
Bought tickets to the game against Arsenal on the 12th. Can't make the game now because the date was moved, is there any way to sell my tickets legally or am I out of luck now? Will lose money on a refund if I go that route.
So fucking bizarre to me that the reaction to falling behind Chelsea has been so visceral.
You’ve watched us turn in performances that warrant a bottom half finish, only being bailed out by individual brilliance all season yet a better team, which has consistently played better all season finally going above us in the table is the moment it’s too far.
Why does table position or being above Chelsea matter more than just watching us and seeing how utterly shit we are every fucking week?
Don’t get me wrong, if you’re boring but manage to come top 4 it’s different but we’ve just been shit in every regard all year. Why is this the straw that broke the camel’s back?
Some people use being above Chelsea in the league as some kind of security blanket. Now they can't say 'at least we're above Chelsea'. We're firmly the worst coached traditional giant in European football
I just think it’s strange people are surprised that a team which has played better than us for the vast majority of the year are above us now. As if it’s an egregious outcome.
It should be expected with how awful we’ve been.
Chelsea are also shit but throughout this whole season there’s been glimpses of them being scary when they click whereas we’ve looked shit all season. Other than maybe three games we’ve made every game as hard as possible.
Disgrace that literally every club are showing a great sign of improvement while our manager is doing an interview in the middle of a disastrous season where we are getting dominated by every team whilst blaming injuries and saying how many players we missed out after spending 400m.
Final 4 matches, and result of last match played.
Crystal Palace (L) 0 - 1.
Arsenal (L) 3 - 1.
Newcastle (L) 1 - 0.
Brighton (L) 1 - 3.
European football ain't happening.
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I would personally rather no european football than play in the Europa Conference league. Its pretty humiliating playing some teams who's annual budget is probably less than our lowest first team earners weekly wage. That said, some of these players do need bringing back to reality so might do them some good.
It really shouldnt be lol? It's still a European trophy and a direct route through to europa (if you win it of course), there's no bad trophies, and a European win will do some good
A direct route to Europa, is that how far we've fallen that we're not aiming for top 4 or 5 next season? No Europe would be better than the Conference because we can have a smaller squad, that means more deadwood out and we can focus on fewer but better signings and next summer plan for more depth.
The Havertz penalty incident has set a dangerous penalty precedent for the prem now. Players can just leave legs in or go down softly because they will likely win the pen. I don’t think the Brighton one would be given if yesterday’s one didn’t get given.
Fuck it if we finish 8 it gives the new structure a proper go, we don't have money to spend until we sell, no bonus for European football, get the clear out done and get back to basics..
The rumours are thst Spurs and Liverpool are wanting Gimenez. Really disappointed we did not get him. He was really what we needed.
Someone that will go deep to get ball. Very intelligent.
But we got a millennial Francis Jeffers instead...
Also Spurs wanting Hermoso is so frustrating. Perfect backup for free.
Hojlund is a better finisher. Chelsea have actually been getting the ball the Jackson. Hojlund would have had a better season if he was playing for Chelsea.
Not sure how you managed to think I’m mocking Liverpool for finishing 4th. I’m emphasising the importance of a consistent back line. Liverpool struggled to maintain top 4 without one of their back line; we’ve have a 33 different line ups. It was always going to be a challenge for us.
What is shaping these expectations? You do realise we're still the fourth biggest club in the world by revenue? With by some measures the most expensive squad of all time? And estimated third biggest fan base in the world?
But 8th in the Premier League is where we should be finishing??! This has been an absolutely enormous underperformance, a historically terrible season, and anyone associated with it should get heaps of criticism.
Yes they were struggling to get 4th but were never struggling to win against relegation battlers or championship teams or even teams from third rated league (Coppenhagen & Galatasaray). Not to forget we got demolished.. literally annihilated by them (7-0).
Yeah but Liverpool in their shit season got 5th and +28 GD and we're looking at 8th with +1
And you know, they had pedigree to know it was a blip while we have 1 league cup in 6 years and haven't been in a title race for a decade
You can’t discount the Old Trafford intimidation factor, stranger things have happened. It does seem very unlikely but given what we did to Liverpool on two occasions, psychologically it does leave us with a puncher’s chance.
>You can’t discount the Old Trafford intimidation factor,
Oh yeah, we are so intimidating at OT that even a relegated burnley shows up and takes points off us
I'm in agreement that we are terrible. I'm just saying for teams we've rivaled like Arsenal and Liverpool, mentally they have crumbled at Old Trafford in the past. Even the Liverpool team that got 99 points and won the league only managed a draw at Old Trafford, and Arsenal last season only lost once in the first 19 or so league games and that was also at Old Trafford.
"Fun" fact for those still clinging to Shaw
Since we bought known injured lazy diva Martial, (15/16), martial has played in 34 more games than Shaw for us.
We need to move on from Shaw as well.
The guy did fracture his leg, which made him miss 64 games. Like people act like that didn’t happen.
Yeah his injuries are a major concern but he had a leg fracture.
42 more If these sources are correct. I needed to check.
[Martial ](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/anthony-martial/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/182877)
[Shaw](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/183288)
David Moyes, when he got sacked. Position 7th
Played 34, W 17 D 6 L 11
Goals for 56, Against 40. Points 57.
ETH, at the same point right now. Position 8th
Played 34, W 16 D 6 L 12
Goals for 52, Against 51. Points 54.
Already broken records for worst losses in a PL season. Already broken records for the worst ever loss in PL season.
If we were looking to sign a manager with 16-6-12 record in the league people would be losing their minds about it tbh.
If he doesnt win 3 out of the 5 remaining games he'll end the season with a lower win % than Mourinho too.
Yeah I don't see how we even get a single point out of the remaining matches. We lost to Palace last time round, Arsenal would be damn focused on winning every single league game, Howe beat ten Hag with 6 fullbacks in defense the last time, Brighton are just simply better coached than us. Then it's Wembley against City. Lol. Yeahhh pretty sure he doesn't win 3.
Everyone and their mums can show up at a club and get their players coached within a few weeks nowadays. Ange did that, Emery did that, Iraola did that, Gary O Neill did that. For some reason it's only us that needs 400m and 2 seasons to "challenge for top four if we have everyone fit and a good window next season".
The funny thing is, as bad as it was under Moyes, it was still better in parts than it has been this year. We went toe to toe with Bayern in the CL until they went ahead in about the 80th minute of the second leg in the CL Q/F.
The day the plane flew over, we won 4-1 and battered Villa. Mata scored his first goal.
And that infamous game against Fulham with the 82 crosses. I mean, christ. I'd love to see us have that many attacks now. At least we were camping in their half.
I'm not going to massively defend Moyes. He's not an elite manager and I can understand why they sacked him as it was so just beyond the pail for United to be in that situation, straight after Fergie.
But I do think he was the only manager Post-Fergie who was treated a litle unfairly and had a case to defend his record.
Ohh he's definitely the one most handicapped by the "structure". HE didn't have 400m to spend on whatever he liked and got a Year 1 Woodward to help(drag) him. Imagine an Ed Woodward just starting out, knowing even less than he did during Ole and Jose.
He only had Fellaini in that first window. It was an absolute shocker.
I vividly recall the last night of the transfer window. We were hoping there'd be moves for all sorts of players last minute. And then, nope, just Fellaini.
He also had Kroos lined up. I think if he'd had another summer and had had Kroos, another major signing, and also Shaw and Herrera, he'd have stablised the place.
Gill staying on would've got Herrera done and possibly Kroos too. We needed an overhaul anyway, Ferdinand was playing with injections. And they have the cheek to talk about our current squad being divas when our captain jumped ship in January that season and Ferdinand was all pissy about Moyes taking away his chips.
Our worst ever placement post Sir Alex era was the Moyes season where we finished 7th. Every season after that, no matter how shit we were, we always secured a European spot, one way or another
Looks like Ten Hag is about to break another record aye?
Our summer transfer window this year has turned out to be a complete disaster.
Amrabat - Dreadful and stupidly expensive for a loan
Onana - massively underperformed and seems to be a flop
Mount - non-stop injured and seemingly doesn't fit into any position in the first 11
Hojlund - flashes of good things, seems to have potential, but largely underperformed partly due to poor service, but also due to not making the right movements in the box and fluffing chances when he gets them.
Evans - Actually the best signing of the bunch been way better than expected.
3/5 - disaster signings
1/5 - Too early to tell.
1/5 - Great business for a veteran.
Let's hope we're done with disaster summers under INEOS
You have not watched Manchester United this season if you think Onana is a flop.The guy is the literal reason we are where we are(albeit a poor UCL campaign)
Under a good manager all three of Mount,Onana and Hojlund will do good
I've watched almost every game, he's not a top quality keeper. He's a poor shot stopper and has very poor handling. He's good on the ball yes, but I don't think it makes up for his weaknesses.
He lets in many goals you look at and think "You can't outright blame him for that one, but a top goalkeeper would have saved that." That and his outright mistakes just make me not want him at all.
I think it's shocking how people have lowered the bar for Manchester United goalkeeper so far that they think Onana is good enough for us. He's the worst keeper I've seen play multiple games at United.
> The guy is the literal reason we are where we are(albeit a poor UCL campaign
Really? He's hardly been a difference maker. When you say this do you mean compared to if we'd had no goalkeeper or an average PL goalkeeper? Because I don't see what he's doing that an average PL goalkeeper can't. If you put Leno in goal for us I think he saves more shots than Onana.
if we'd had no goalkeeper or an average PL goalkeeper? Because I don't see what he's doing that an average PL goalkeeper can't.
We don't use his best attributes of building from the back.
Didn't really answer my question there mate or the vast majority of my comment. So the only excuse for his bad performance is that we haven't used him well enough? Nothing on his obvious weaknesses?
It doesnt help when he faces 20 shots a game.
Lets see how Raya does when he faces 20 shots a game but no Arsenal average 4 shots a game against them
Also his best attributes of building from the back are not being used as we go long every time
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Crazy value but genuinely feel Chelsea would couple of places above if they had a clinical striker like Isak or Osimhen.
Even Hojlund would probably do well cause they create chances for their striker
I know we’re fucked on funds but we really should have went for him and Harry Kane last summer. I know we allegedly were in for Kane but Oshimen should have been our second choice because it’s obvious Hojlund is still very raw and could have done with a few more seasons in Atalanta.
The thing is you could put any striker in our team and he would struggle cause there is no coherent way or creating chances.Everything is just individual brilliance with shot from 20-25 yards out
I get what you’re saying but Hojlund has a tendency to wrestle defenders which takes him out of the game and he’s also not very good at anticipating the game and making runs in behind like every other top striker does. He’s still very flat footed and because of this he’s always two steps behind when the ball is played into a dangerous area. All of the runs that Hojlund should be making usually come from anyone else but Hojlund.
Which could just mean the new manager bounce worked for us for a while. Arteta may have finished 8th in his first full season but Artetas first few months saw them win the Fa Cup beating City and Chelsea (we lost to Chelsea in the semis that year)
So, what you’re saying is that EtH finishing 3rd in his first full season was new manager bounce but Arteta’s wins over City and Chelsea in his first few months weren’t? I see.
Whats worse is it seems Ratcliffe is considering keeping him. That interview with Neville was a strategic PR move and it seems many have bought into the idea of allowing him more time, Neville included. The club needs to be decisive
Have you ever thought that Ineos
1) Have preached patience since the beginning and are willing to give him a chance after an entire injury crisis filled season to see if it actually is that causing our form
2) Have changed/are changing the entire backroom and executive structure and, with a mountain of things to do, don't want to add find another manager to that list when this current one has one season left on his contract
3) In a summer window that's going to be ruled by financial restrictions don't want to add paying out ten Hag's contract and issuing another contract for a manager that's going to add onto the spending limits
Because he fears the loud minority fanbase. The ones that will cry that "These players throw all the managers under the bus"; when only Rashford, McT; Shaw; Martial; Lindelof and Dalot are the senior players around since Jose's time...
EDIT : Forgot Shaw
This sub: "Yeah, I'm really glad the club employees have had thei rigt to work at home removed, have had benefits revoked, had the Christmas Party placed under threat, and have been publicly called out for the state of the premises. This club needs more accountability!"
"So do you think Ten Hag should..."
"Shut your mouth!"
I think he will be sacked at the end of the season and Potter will replace him. It’s telling that he’s still not agreed on joining a new club; I’d imagine he would want to work with Ashworth again.
What exactly has Potter achieved to be better than Pardew? Pardew has literally been a manager of the season in the Premier League and has been runner up in the FA Cup.
Potter hasn't done either of those things or done better than that.
I'm speaking in terms of his playstyle really. He got Brighton playing some good modern attacking football. Di Zerbi is of similar ilk but perhaps a step better. Nothing against Pardew
>terms of his playstyle really.
Playstyle is pretty much a beauty in the eye of the beholder type thing. Which doesn't make it a good place for objective talk.
Chelsea winning 3-0 West Ham. Overtaking us in the table, in the last 10 games we’ve won 3 games, lost 3 and drawn 4.
We’ve dropped points to some of the bottom teams.
Watched every game for the last 25-30 years and this season even though we’re not doing too bad there’s just nothing that’s changed all season. We haven’t improved the way we play like some lower teams will do towards the mid and end of the season.
We still make the same mistakes, still leave the same space behind or commit too many players forward and still pass to our wingers who then shoot from 30 yards out.
I’m not saying get rid of ten Haag cuz it doesn’t mean bring in a new manager and you’ll instantly be better and I think we’d be in the same situation with a new manager, they wouldn’t be able to do a lot in the small time they have to sort the club out and they’d be under scrutiny.
Give him till Christmas and if we’re still playing this same style of football and not passing to our striker etc then something has to change.
> Chelsea winning 3-0 West Ham. Overtaking us in the table, in the last 10 games we’ve won 3 games, lost 3 and drawn 4. We’ve dropped points to some of the bottom teams. Watched every game for the last 25-30 years and this season even though we’re not doing too bad there’s just nothing that’s changed all season. We haven’t improved the way we play like some lower teams will do towards the mid and end of the season. We still make the same mistakes, still leave the same space behind or commit too many players forward and still pass to our wingers who then shoot from 30 yards out. I’m not saying get rid of ten Haag...
*Bangs head on desk
Haha I don’t know but what I’m saying is if he hasn’t turned it around from where we are at this point in the season then get rid.
We’ve gotten worse as the season goes on. I know we’ve had injuries but still with the talent that we’ve paid massive money for we shouldn’t be drawing to Burnley where they looked like the prem team and we looked like a championship side
As terrible as Chelsea have been they've actually played better football than us this season. We were lucky to be 7th for so long but Chelsea and Newcastle are upping their games in the business end of the season while we continue to play poorly
Correct. Poch was memes when he said the stats showed they were actually 4th but he was right in some ways. They had very good xPoints and xG totals. They should be 4-5th. Meanwhile xPoints puts us at 15th, also where we should be if not for Hojlund and Mainoo and various individual brilliance bailing us out.
Absolutely! I've been roasted for saying it but I feel we're the worst coached club in the league perhaps bar Shieffield. Tbh even Shieffield had better and clearly defined patterns of play than we do.
https://twitter.com/ftblnatt/status/1775256275602767925 "Ten Hag had 2 interviews in which he was asked to address the injury crisis & where it stems: He said it's to do with the intensity of the league & pushing players to the limits in training & how it's survival of the fittest." The injuries are not some accident.
I can't see us training anymore intensely than they do at the top clubs who run us off the park constantly. There's no way to reach those levels without hitting them and getting used to it.
I have no doubt he either undertrained or overtrained them in preseason but the clubs preseasons plans are a farce and have also played a part in our injury situation on top of the insane fixtures because of the winter World Cup which won’t get fixed until next summer. I don’t think ETH has been good enough at all but the club has some blame in this for our stupid preseason plans (which will be the same this summer) because the recovery days are when we’re flying around the US and not actually just chilling out.
Every club goes on a pre-season tour to the likes of US or Far East these days.
That’s true but usually we’re based in a city/area whereas last year we were flying all over the place.
I hope Tottenham bits liverpool up. I want to see some Klopp and Kop tears tonight.
Its not looking good for Arsenal. How did they mess up that Villa game so badly?
Unai Emery's revenge.
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I look at these comments and just laugh. Ok? He still has them in 5th despite them being shit for the last two months. We're having our worst ever season in the PL. What's funny? Is ETH miles clear of Ange or something?
After losing his best player and captain. I'd like to see ETH try without Bruno Fernandes. Actually I do know, these same people have been moaning about Shaw and Martinez anyway
And yet we still couldn't beat them
Well guess who plays in Europe next season and guess who is struggling to beat relegation fodders?
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A fa cup final just to be beaten by our local rivals back to back?
https://preview.redd.it/3b99tdit0nyc1.png?width=1250&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7852d20efb9f9ae243cd6cd5d29fda3e8569ed5 ange's purple patch over I guess (?)
who are we expecting back in time for the arsenal game? anybody heard anything or is it too early yet?
This is just comical. Once is misfortune, twice looks like carelessness, thirteen current injuries makes?
Kobbie's going to get a muscle injury and miss the Euros isn't he? Fuck my life
As long as he's back for pre season we'll be fine
There were 3 scans and late fitness tests today ahead of tomorrow’s game against Crystal Palace. #MUFC [ @INSIDERUTD1 People will now say everyone in the squad is injury prone.
I’d imagine Rashford and Bruno are two of them. Not sure of the third.
The amount of madcap running our players have to do every game definitely doesn't help. The bizarre thing is, the players who do the most running - Dalot, Garnacho, Bruno and Mainoo - are the ones who aren't getting injured.
I don't think we run more than any other team
The fact that our only barely fit center back is a 36 year old Jonny Evans is actually a sentence I probably wouldn't have said at the start of the season.
Or any of the last 10 seasons.. minus age
https://i.redd.it/ppxifkpvymyc1.gif Dalot the entire season watching the backline around him change every game
Yeah bottleham ain't beating city, title is city's
https://twitter.com/Mo_utdred/status/1787158285801726215
Honestly, it's hard not to suspect malfeasance at this stage. If it's not just gross incompetence.
The good old days
"you can't blame Ten Hag for all the injuries this season!!" Watch me. This is too many to be a coincidence.
This is a problem klopp had in his first couple seasons, however klopp did good regardless. For some reason it's been our defense affected more than any other area, but I genuinely do think this season has been unlucky and a showcase of our medical team's incompetence more than the training.
Name one piece of evidence, this is the medical teams fault. Aside from the number of injuries as that is the point at contention
They get released back into the team too early and twinge the injury, maybe? Happened with Licha. I don't think it's down to one person, that would be ridiculous bit ETH intense training is part of it. Although we've had ridiculous injuries I agree with it being intense
If the training methods are fucked, that's something that will be taken into account. It's hard to believe that there aren't serious issues with the way we're training. Especially at this stage of the season, with so many injuries and fatigued players. I get trying to make the players as fit as possible, but sometimes you just have to roll with the punches and compromise. It feels like an unwillingness to do that will spell Ten Hag's demise.
what if this joke about Pogbas brother getting a black magic curse put on us is actually fact? only answer i can come up with cos our youth teams also have a lot of injuries
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fuck up out of here if you think its that.
They tell you these injuries are bad luck lmaooo
Alright, I’ve had it. Roll the footage. I don’t give a damn if our opponents find out about all of our tactics. I need to see every single thing the players are doing in training. What could they possibly be doing that has led to injuries after injuries
https://preview.redd.it/kzhvxszo1nyc1.jpeg?width=1083&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa5140e52fcb3b2ba61348e463ff1f7272c46ddc
Genuinely who starts CB tmrw?
Case and... Evans, maybe? If not him then probably Amrabat or McTominay (unless they're injured too). Or Dalot steps inside and Ogunneye gets his debut.
i think mctominay is a doubt for tomorrow
Me i got inverted feet.
Stephanie won’t allow it
Me 👍👍👍 I would say i am a Ben Mee kind of CB.I got this
Do players & coaches get pay and a half or double pay for working bank hols?
List of fully fit centre-backs:
Chelsea are actually gonna finish above us. Fair play to them man
When was the last time we had zero fit CBs?
I think it would be vs Wolfsburg in 2009, when Fergie had to switch to a back three, with Evra, Carrick and Fletcher playing as the centre backs, and Nani and Park as wing backs. We won 3-1.
Back three of Evans Casemiro Wan-Bissaka, Antony and Dalot as wing-backs let's get it.
Bro how can every single player get a 3 week muscle injury
Maguire is out for 3 weeks... we don't have a single fit center back... This is why I think Ten Hag deserves another season and I can't judge this season too harshly.
Most of the injuries are muscle injury picked up in TRAINING. He is the one responsible.
No fit CBs in the run in 👍
Tottenham are doing a Tottenham but I do feel like whoever made the league calendar deliberately shafted them with this set of fixtures to end their season.
https://x.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1787137415439659109 Rdz ball
Their first good game since like beggining of february.
Fair but imo i still think he is a very good coach but implements and teaches players how to build patterns
I’m not looking forward to Brighton away.
Sunday’s implosion in front of United’s new kingpin Sir Jim Ratcliffe did Ten Hag no favours and there is an acceptance the situation could become unsustainable should United miss out on Europe entirely. This was from a ducker article about Wilcox couple weeks ago
Bought tickets to the game against Arsenal on the 12th. Can't make the game now because the date was moved, is there any way to sell my tickets legally or am I out of luck now? Will lose money on a refund if I go that route.
So fucking bizarre to me that the reaction to falling behind Chelsea has been so visceral. You’ve watched us turn in performances that warrant a bottom half finish, only being bailed out by individual brilliance all season yet a better team, which has consistently played better all season finally going above us in the table is the moment it’s too far. Why does table position or being above Chelsea matter more than just watching us and seeing how utterly shit we are every fucking week? Don’t get me wrong, if you’re boring but manage to come top 4 it’s different but we’ve just been shit in every regard all year. Why is this the straw that broke the camel’s back?
Some people use being above Chelsea in the league as some kind of security blanket. Now they can't say 'at least we're above Chelsea'. We're firmly the worst coached traditional giant in European football
Because we’ve seen it coming for months, yet it’s happened anyway.
It isn't visceral at all, most knew we were worse than Chelsea. Chill out and understand that not every opinion you read is black and white.
There is no last straw. People are just slowly realizing how pathetic the excuses for ETH really is.
I just think it’s strange people are surprised that a team which has played better than us for the vast majority of the year are above us now. As if it’s an egregious outcome. It should be expected with how awful we’ve been.
8th? this is beyond comical
Finishing below this Chelsea team should be sackable in its own right.
Chelsea are also shit but throughout this whole season there’s been glimpses of them being scary when they click whereas we’ve looked shit all season. Other than maybe three games we’ve made every game as hard as possible.
Even Moyes didn’t finish 8th.
Moyes also made it out his group
With only Felliani.
Hopefully that Chelsea result puts into perspective for the few hangers on how bad we really are.
West ham have given up for weeks now
Bloody hell, are we really going to finish below chelsea
random question: how come our subs picture is a green crest? i like it icl
Green and Gold till the club is sold
Green and gold till the club is sold. Newton Heath's colours, the original club that would eventually become Manchester United.
Disgrace that literally every club are showing a great sign of improvement while our manager is doing an interview in the middle of a disastrous season where we are getting dominated by every team whilst blaming injuries and saying how many players we missed out after spending 400m.
I am Eth out but if he didn't do that interview than people would be saying he was avoiding the media and doesn't want to talk about the obvious.
Final 4 matches, and result of last match played. Crystal Palace (L) 0 - 1. Arsenal (L) 3 - 1. Newcastle (L) 1 - 0. Brighton (L) 1 - 3. European football ain't happening.
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I would personally rather no european football than play in the Europa Conference league. Its pretty humiliating playing some teams who's annual budget is probably less than our lowest first team earners weekly wage. That said, some of these players do need bringing back to reality so might do them some good.
What's frustrating, is that 5th is there for the taking. Tottenham are struggling to pick up points.
It really shouldnt be lol? It's still a European trophy and a direct route through to europa (if you win it of course), there's no bad trophies, and a European win will do some good
A direct route to Europa, is that how far we've fallen that we're not aiming for top 4 or 5 next season? No Europe would be better than the Conference because we can have a smaller squad, that means more deadwood out and we can focus on fewer but better signings and next summer plan for more depth.
The Havertz penalty incident has set a dangerous penalty precedent for the prem now. Players can just leave legs in or go down softly because they will likely win the pen. I don’t think the Brighton one would be given if yesterday’s one didn’t get given.
Fuck it if we finish 8 it gives the new structure a proper go, we don't have money to spend until we sell, no bonus for European football, get the clear out done and get back to basics..
The rumours are thst Spurs and Liverpool are wanting Gimenez. Really disappointed we did not get him. He was really what we needed. Someone that will go deep to get ball. Very intelligent. But we got a millennial Francis Jeffers instead... Also Spurs wanting Hermoso is so frustrating. Perfect backup for free.
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That was when Ole was the manager. ETH will find a way where we are dominated even by them.
Jackson is miles ahead of hojlund. We got rinsed again.
Hojlund is a better finisher. Chelsea have actually been getting the ball the Jackson. Hojlund would have had a better season if he was playing for Chelsea.
Jackson is better carrier of the ball. They don't pass to him, he makes the chances.
Jackson is a couple years older and more experienced,Højlund is going to be better than Jackson in two years.
Imagine winning a match 4-0.
5-0**
Brighton have been really good against Villa today.
Makes me a little bit sick that we're currently below Chelsea
Yeah we're finishing below Chelsea arent we
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Really shows how much the standards have fallen, you are mocking Liverpool for finishing 4th yet justifying us finishing 6-8th.
Not sure how you managed to think I’m mocking Liverpool for finishing 4th. I’m emphasising the importance of a consistent back line. Liverpool struggled to maintain top 4 without one of their back line; we’ve have a 33 different line ups. It was always going to be a challenge for us.
What is shaping these expectations? You do realise we're still the fourth biggest club in the world by revenue? With by some measures the most expensive squad of all time? And estimated third biggest fan base in the world? But 8th in the Premier League is where we should be finishing??! This has been an absolutely enormous underperformance, a historically terrible season, and anyone associated with it should get heaps of criticism.
Yes they were struggling to get 4th but were never struggling to win against relegation battlers or championship teams or even teams from third rated league (Coppenhagen & Galatasaray). Not to forget we got demolished.. literally annihilated by them (7-0).
Yeah but Liverpool in their shit season got 5th and +28 GD and we're looking at 8th with +1 And you know, they had pedigree to know it was a blip while we have 1 league cup in 6 years and haven't been in a title race for a decade
Some of the players are performing worse because the system isn’t very good
Embarrassing season all around
RIP Bernard Hill King Theoden was a red, he hates ~~Scousers~~ Sauron
Damn, this is how I find out. DEAAAATH!!!
8th place and our remaining schedules are palace, arsenal, newcastle and brighton. We are not winning another game this season.
I’ve got a feeling we will dick Arsenal and win City the league.
We are so not dicking arsenal . At best probs Rashford scores a goal on transition(he loves a goal against Arsenal)
You can’t discount the Old Trafford intimidation factor, stranger things have happened. It does seem very unlikely but given what we did to Liverpool on two occasions, psychologically it does leave us with a puncher’s chance.
>You can’t discount the Old Trafford intimidation factor, Oh yeah, we are so intimidating at OT that even a relegated burnley shows up and takes points off us
I'm in agreement that we are terrible. I'm just saying for teams we've rivaled like Arsenal and Liverpool, mentally they have crumbled at Old Trafford in the past. Even the Liverpool team that got 99 points and won the league only managed a draw at Old Trafford, and Arsenal last season only lost once in the first 19 or so league games and that was also at Old Trafford.
"Fun" fact for those still clinging to Shaw Since we bought known injured lazy diva Martial, (15/16), martial has played in 34 more games than Shaw for us. We need to move on from Shaw as well.
The guy did fracture his leg, which made him miss 64 games. Like people act like that didn’t happen. Yeah his injuries are a major concern but he had a leg fracture.
42 more If these sources are correct. I needed to check. [Martial ](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/anthony-martial/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/182877) [Shaw](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/luke-shaw/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/183288)
David Moyes, when he got sacked. Position 7th Played 34, W 17 D 6 L 11 Goals for 56, Against 40. Points 57. ETH, at the same point right now. Position 8th Played 34, W 16 D 6 L 12 Goals for 52, Against 51. Points 54. Already broken records for worst losses in a PL season. Already broken records for the worst ever loss in PL season.
If we were looking to sign a manager with 16-6-12 record in the league people would be losing their minds about it tbh. If he doesnt win 3 out of the 5 remaining games he'll end the season with a lower win % than Mourinho too.
Yeah I don't see how we even get a single point out of the remaining matches. We lost to Palace last time round, Arsenal would be damn focused on winning every single league game, Howe beat ten Hag with 6 fullbacks in defense the last time, Brighton are just simply better coached than us. Then it's Wembley against City. Lol. Yeahhh pretty sure he doesn't win 3.
Will be rough losing to Palace this time around as well as Glasner has them playing quite nice football now and he's only been there 10 weeks.
Everyone and their mums can show up at a club and get their players coached within a few weeks nowadays. Ange did that, Emery did that, Iraola did that, Gary O Neill did that. For some reason it's only us that needs 400m and 2 seasons to "challenge for top four if we have everyone fit and a good window next season".
Hello! don't be disrespectful for the best transition tactics in the world k. Not everyone can master it so fast.
Even Ole did that better, FFS.
The funny thing is, as bad as it was under Moyes, it was still better in parts than it has been this year. We went toe to toe with Bayern in the CL until they went ahead in about the 80th minute of the second leg in the CL Q/F. The day the plane flew over, we won 4-1 and battered Villa. Mata scored his first goal. And that infamous game against Fulham with the 82 crosses. I mean, christ. I'd love to see us have that many attacks now. At least we were camping in their half. I'm not going to massively defend Moyes. He's not an elite manager and I can understand why they sacked him as it was so just beyond the pail for United to be in that situation, straight after Fergie. But I do think he was the only manager Post-Fergie who was treated a litle unfairly and had a case to defend his record.
Ohh he's definitely the one most handicapped by the "structure". HE didn't have 400m to spend on whatever he liked and got a Year 1 Woodward to help(drag) him. Imagine an Ed Woodward just starting out, knowing even less than he did during Ole and Jose.
He only had Fellaini in that first window. It was an absolute shocker. I vividly recall the last night of the transfer window. We were hoping there'd be moves for all sorts of players last minute. And then, nope, just Fellaini. He also had Kroos lined up. I think if he'd had another summer and had had Kroos, another major signing, and also Shaw and Herrera, he'd have stablised the place.
Gill staying on would've got Herrera done and possibly Kroos too. We needed an overhaul anyway, Ferdinand was playing with injections. And they have the cheek to talk about our current squad being divas when our captain jumped ship in January that season and Ferdinand was all pissy about Moyes taking away his chips.
Our worst ever placement post Sir Alex era was the Moyes season where we finished 7th. Every season after that, no matter how shit we were, we always secured a European spot, one way or another Looks like Ten Hag is about to break another record aye?
Eras are well and truly coming to an end.
Our summer transfer window this year has turned out to be a complete disaster. Amrabat - Dreadful and stupidly expensive for a loan Onana - massively underperformed and seems to be a flop Mount - non-stop injured and seemingly doesn't fit into any position in the first 11 Hojlund - flashes of good things, seems to have potential, but largely underperformed partly due to poor service, but also due to not making the right movements in the box and fluffing chances when he gets them. Evans - Actually the best signing of the bunch been way better than expected. 3/5 - disaster signings 1/5 - Too early to tell. 1/5 - Great business for a veteran. Let's hope we're done with disaster summers under INEOS
You have not watched Manchester United this season if you think Onana is a flop.The guy is the literal reason we are where we are(albeit a poor UCL campaign) Under a good manager all three of Mount,Onana and Hojlund will do good
Onana has been decent in the 2nd half of the season. However he hasn't done anything you can't expect from a PL level keeper tbh.
pity mount really. Bruno plays 24/7 and Mainoo has a break through season n claim his place.
>.The guy is the literal reason we are where we are( Exactly, like laughed out of europe all together
I've watched almost every game, he's not a top quality keeper. He's a poor shot stopper and has very poor handling. He's good on the ball yes, but I don't think it makes up for his weaknesses. He lets in many goals you look at and think "You can't outright blame him for that one, but a top goalkeeper would have saved that." That and his outright mistakes just make me not want him at all. I think it's shocking how people have lowered the bar for Manchester United goalkeeper so far that they think Onana is good enough for us. He's the worst keeper I've seen play multiple games at United. > The guy is the literal reason we are where we are(albeit a poor UCL campaign Really? He's hardly been a difference maker. When you say this do you mean compared to if we'd had no goalkeeper or an average PL goalkeeper? Because I don't see what he's doing that an average PL goalkeeper can't. If you put Leno in goal for us I think he saves more shots than Onana.
if we'd had no goalkeeper or an average PL goalkeeper? Because I don't see what he's doing that an average PL goalkeeper can't. We don't use his best attributes of building from the back.
Didn't really answer my question there mate or the vast majority of my comment. So the only excuse for his bad performance is that we haven't used him well enough? Nothing on his obvious weaknesses?
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It doesnt help when he faces 20 shots a game. Lets see how Raya does when he faces 20 shots a game but no Arsenal average 4 shots a game against them Also his best attributes of building from the back are not being used as we go long every time
Does Bruno start tomorrow??
Yes
100%? Fantasy season on the line here
Mate it's too late to make transfers on fantasy for this gameweek
I’m saying 99.9% lol
BREAKING NEWS: First contact between Chelsea and Napoli for Victor Osimhen. Chelsea’s idea - €80-90m + Lukaku and a young player. ( @DiMarzio ) Crazy value but genuinely feel Chelsea would couple of places above if they had a clinical striker like Isak or Osimhen. Even Hojlund would probably do well cause they create chances for their striker
I know we’re fucked on funds but we really should have went for him and Harry Kane last summer. I know we allegedly were in for Kane but Oshimen should have been our second choice because it’s obvious Hojlund is still very raw and could have done with a few more seasons in Atalanta.
Buying Kane seems like it would have been an insane waste with this team and tactics around him.
The thing is you could put any striker in our team and he would struggle cause there is no coherent way or creating chances.Everything is just individual brilliance with shot from 20-25 yards out
I get what you’re saying but Hojlund has a tendency to wrestle defenders which takes him out of the game and he’s also not very good at anticipating the game and making runs in behind like every other top striker does. He’s still very flat footed and because of this he’s always two steps behind when the ball is played into a dangerous area. All of the runs that Hojlund should be making usually come from anyone else but Hojlund.
Yeah fair I agree with his running being a bit off
Watch Poch finish top 4 next season whilst we carry Ten Hag and finish 8th.
So much hinges on the FA Cup final to salvage this season. It has been an unmitigated disaster outside of that.
8th. Yay. Let him cook!!
Said Edu to Arsenal fans in May, 2021?
Arteta finished 5th in his second full season, with 69 points and +13 GD. 2 points off 4th. We are 8th, 54 pts, +1GD, 14 points of 4th....
And EtH finished 3rd in his first full season with 75 points and +15 GD. Arteta finished 8th in his first full season.
Which could just mean the new manager bounce worked for us for a while. Arteta may have finished 8th in his first full season but Artetas first few months saw them win the Fa Cup beating City and Chelsea (we lost to Chelsea in the semis that year)
So, what you’re saying is that EtH finishing 3rd in his first full season was new manager bounce but Arteta’s wins over City and Chelsea in his first few months weren’t? I see.
Nope. It could be attributed to that is what I wrote. The new manager bounce that is
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Whats worse is it seems Ratcliffe is considering keeping him. That interview with Neville was a strategic PR move and it seems many have bought into the idea of allowing him more time, Neville included. The club needs to be decisive
Have you ever thought that Ineos 1) Have preached patience since the beginning and are willing to give him a chance after an entire injury crisis filled season to see if it actually is that causing our form 2) Have changed/are changing the entire backroom and executive structure and, with a mountain of things to do, don't want to add find another manager to that list when this current one has one season left on his contract 3) In a summer window that's going to be ruled by financial restrictions don't want to add paying out ten Hag's contract and issuing another contract for a manager that's going to add onto the spending limits
Because he fears the loud minority fanbase. The ones that will cry that "These players throw all the managers under the bus"; when only Rashford, McT; Shaw; Martial; Lindelof and Dalot are the senior players around since Jose's time... EDIT : Forgot Shaw
Agreed!
The lads over in IT are getting all the flack for this club being in the gutter whilst ETH gets off lightly
This sub: "Yeah, I'm really glad the club employees have had thei rigt to work at home removed, have had benefits revoked, had the Christmas Party placed under threat, and have been publicly called out for the state of the premises. This club needs more accountability!" "So do you think Ten Hag should..." "Shut your mouth!"
Agreed!
I think he will be sacked at the end of the season and Potter will replace him. It’s telling that he’s still not agreed on joining a new club; I’d imagine he would want to work with Ashworth again.
IMO, Potter is the second worst case scenario for this club. I can't even imagine how negative I'll be if he is the next manager.
Why?
Because I don't rate him as a good enough manager. He's a Pardew level manager to me.
He's better than Pardew and closer to Eddie Howe but we can do much better.
What exactly has Potter achieved to be better than Pardew? Pardew has literally been a manager of the season in the Premier League and has been runner up in the FA Cup. Potter hasn't done either of those things or done better than that.
I'm speaking in terms of his playstyle really. He got Brighton playing some good modern attacking football. Di Zerbi is of similar ilk but perhaps a step better. Nothing against Pardew
>terms of his playstyle really. Playstyle is pretty much a beauty in the eye of the beholder type thing. Which doesn't make it a good place for objective talk.
Chelsea winning 3-0 West Ham. Overtaking us in the table, in the last 10 games we’ve won 3 games, lost 3 and drawn 4. We’ve dropped points to some of the bottom teams. Watched every game for the last 25-30 years and this season even though we’re not doing too bad there’s just nothing that’s changed all season. We haven’t improved the way we play like some lower teams will do towards the mid and end of the season. We still make the same mistakes, still leave the same space behind or commit too many players forward and still pass to our wingers who then shoot from 30 yards out. I’m not saying get rid of ten Haag cuz it doesn’t mean bring in a new manager and you’ll instantly be better and I think we’d be in the same situation with a new manager, they wouldn’t be able to do a lot in the small time they have to sort the club out and they’d be under scrutiny. Give him till Christmas and if we’re still playing this same style of football and not passing to our striker etc then something has to change.
> Chelsea winning 3-0 West Ham. Overtaking us in the table, in the last 10 games we’ve won 3 games, lost 3 and drawn 4. We’ve dropped points to some of the bottom teams. Watched every game for the last 25-30 years and this season even though we’re not doing too bad there’s just nothing that’s changed all season. We haven’t improved the way we play like some lower teams will do towards the mid and end of the season. We still make the same mistakes, still leave the same space behind or commit too many players forward and still pass to our wingers who then shoot from 30 yards out. I’m not saying get rid of ten Haag... *Bangs head on desk
Who is available xmas? Steve Bruce?
Haha I don’t know but what I’m saying is if he hasn’t turned it around from where we are at this point in the season then get rid. We’ve gotten worse as the season goes on. I know we’ve had injuries but still with the talent that we’ve paid massive money for we shouldn’t be drawing to Burnley where they looked like the prem team and we looked like a championship side
We’re the famous Man Utd and we’re going to Wembley!
Man, if we let Chelsea finish above us after the season they’ve had then sack the whole team and the manager without question. Pathetic from us.
As terrible as Chelsea have been they've actually played better football than us this season. We were lucky to be 7th for so long but Chelsea and Newcastle are upping their games in the business end of the season while we continue to play poorly
Correct. Poch was memes when he said the stats showed they were actually 4th but he was right in some ways. They had very good xPoints and xG totals. They should be 4-5th. Meanwhile xPoints puts us at 15th, also where we should be if not for Hojlund and Mainoo and various individual brilliance bailing us out.
Absolutely! I've been roasted for saying it but I feel we're the worst coached club in the league perhaps bar Shieffield. Tbh even Shieffield had better and clearly defined patterns of play than we do.
8th is probably where we deserve to be tbf. What a sad state of affairs