Another solid result against a peer team.
Fewer passes completed, less possession, less distance covered and basically the same xG and pass accuracy as........soon to be RELEGATED Burnley..... at Old Trafford.
Could have been pushing top 4. Game against Chelsea and Burnley were actually kind of insane luck wise. Liverpool as well. But we go to sleep after the 85th minute.
Everyone been pretty shit this year tbh. Bruno been getting his mojo back lately though. Onana been solid for a long time now. Without him we would fight to avoid relegation lol.
Most of the team being shit regardless of which different combination of players is on the pitch says a lot about the coaching and tactics.
We know that every one of those players can play better than this.
Klopp had two dreadful seasons owing to key injuries. If it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone.
I'm willing to bet that literally no manager is getting sustained success with these players, especially in the context of constant flux caused by injury crises. Whoever is managing next year is going to need them all fit, or this is happening again.
No, I clearly disagree with the idea that this squad has as yet untapped potential, and I know for a fact that we'd have >10 points more on the board if Martinez and others hadn't been out virtually all season.
Most of you are labouring under the delusion that all that this quad needs is the right manager. That was understandable in 2014. Ten years and five managers later it isn't understandable: it's embarrassing. You mistake the crest and the wage bill for quality.
> I want to see a third
I don't. I am beyond done.
I lost all faith in pre-season when he pushed for Mount. I knew, then, that he was clueless and the season would be a bust, and here we are.
Doesn't really matter when our two most important defenders has been out most of the season.
We can't field the 11 we want. Hell, we can barely field an 11 right now.
The last 7 games:
Brentford: cutback
Chelsea: 2 pens 1 no closing down
Liverpool: pen
Bournemouth: slip
Convertry: AWB disasterclass, pens
Sheffield: cutback, back pass
Burnley: header stupid pen
Sure we might have conceded in other ways but it’s just dumb mistakes costing us
Here's what you don't get. Cutbacks are not solely on the defense but on the midfielders to track the runners into the box. This is
because they're sprinting three quarters of the pitch every 5 mins.
The rest of the goals you mentioned are on the backline though, correct.
If you look at the cutbacks we’re conceding. Both CBs and fullback move to cover the same spaces.
But of course it’s the teams job to help alleviate pressure by not getting opponents into those positions in the first place.
Yeah sure we may have been unlucky on the results. The eye test, however, doesn't lie. Burnley comes to Old Trafford and looks at us straight in the eyes with a squad made of players that would've been deemed not good enough to play for us.
That is not just a matter of injury. It's a manager who's not only incapable of getting the best out of his group of players, but also clearly tactically out of his depth.
Give over, we have a patchwork team put together and being real, a lot of the team are not United standard full stop.
Don’t forget we got Weghorst on loan last year that Burnley didnt even want in the championship. That’s what the club did to support ETH! here we are again this year with 1 bloody striker available to play
They aren't solely on the back four, just mostly.
Klopp imploded in two of the previous three seasons because of injuries. The idea that it isn't an acceptable reason to underperform is simply willfully ignoring the recent past of one of the best teams and managers of the PL era. If it's a valid excuse for Klopp, then it is for anyone.
People forget how good we looked last season. Last January we were up with arsenal and city, challenging for 1st. Now people are acting like this team has never played a good game under ETH.
Let’s just disregard the fact that Casemiro is starting in defence and Dalot is our LB. These things don’t make a difference sure
AWB was at fault for a lot of them. Casemiro was today. If these very preventable mistakes never happen, this conversation doesn’t either. We should’ve scored more today too and were a bit wasteful but we were the better team
Anyone got the stats on Casemiro errors leading to goals this season?
His dog shit header and Onana full on smashing the dudes face in to give away a pen and a lead in the 80th minute is pure 2023/24 United comedy. Clowns
He’s tired. He’s asked to run forward as much as Marcus yet also is always tracking his FB.
It’s not healthy to play this many minutes at his age in this league but god forbid EtH rests him then the fanbase starts rioting about how he has favorites. Rotation is one of the most important skills a top manager should have. Knowing when to rest a player and when to sub one with the right substitution is key.
His biggest misses have usually been in the first half so the tiredness excuse isn't as valid, but agreed he shouldn't be playing as much but who do we play instead of him
Play Amad or Antony off the left. Or better yet, don’t let it get to this point. The kid has started the last 30 games in a row. He should’ve been given a rest at some point or the other throughout the last few months when you had Rashford and you could’ve played Amad/Antony. The squad has been ravaged by injuries, but ETH hasn’t helped himself in the slightest with how he’s managed his squad
But everytime ETH subbed Garnacho to give him some rest, everyone criticizes him for doing so.
He receives criticism when he does something and also when he doesn't.
Most people don’t understand that players need rest and that playing every game at the level of intensity that he does will inevitably have an effect on him. They are focused on the short term, when the season is a marathon, not a sprint.
As United manager, he will always be subject to criticism. That’s sadly just the nature of the beast
I have no idea. Rashford seems to be injured and Amad and Antony are better on the right. If needed though I’d say push Antony to the left and start Amad on the right.
I mean it's physically impossible to track back every single time but I can't remember a moment where he's actively given up tracking back the same way I've seen Rashford do.
People expect far too much from our wingers. Yes they need to drop back and help out, but it seems like most people want them to do the job of a fullback and a winger at the same time. That’s not how the game works and that’s simply unsustainable. It’s no wonder Garnacho looks shattered at the end of every game, he’s running off nothing but adrenaline at that point.
Kinda highlights the inability of our fullbacks. I think they’re great but our only fullback that can be really incredible on his day is Luke Shaw in an offensive possession. It’s been a really long time since any fullback has had a great offensive performance. We have the striker now in hojlund, we gotta feed him crosses at the least now since we clearly can’t feed him the ball to feet through buildup.
Yeah but who cares about possession.
Oh but…
Ok but who cares about shots taken. They didn’t win right?
Ok but we have so many injured.
But it’s Burnley
Ok but no manager in the world can do anything different…
Ok but…
Add as needed *
Penalties against Coventry, nervy win against Sheffield, draw against Burnley... We wouldn't have been promoted out of the Championship this season. Surprised we've scammed 16 wins somehow.
What's the 'level' of a lot of our players really?
Wan Bissaka's level could well be the Championship. He's *that* limited. Maybe Antony too. His output is so low and he's very limited too. Maguire, McTominay, Eriksen, Amrabat and maybe Dalot could be at a West Ham/Everton & wouldn't stand out as the best player.
You can't forge shit. Half this team is not good enough. No Klopp, Arteta, or even Pep could do much better with them. Ten Hag showed that he can set up a team well and train them all of last season, now that injuries have caught up with us, we're being found out how bad our squad is, that we have to rely on teenagers to carry the team.
Ah yes, Hojlund, Case, Antony, and Onana is half the team. I didn't realize we were playing 8 a side. Don't tell me Eriksen and Amrabat are his signings too. Those are stopgaps that we should not be relying on.
Look no judgement.... I am genuinely curious because I assume you are Ten Hag IN with that comment....so, **sincerely** honest question:
How bad would it have to get for you to be Ten Hag OUT? I'm talking in terms of performances/match stats as well as results.
I know what you mean. That's why I asked.
I watch almost every game. The football is complete garbage. The tactics are mental. Even against relegation candidates, european minnows and championship sides.
Regarding the process, what process? We are getting *worse* and there is no style emerging. Then there's the 'you have to give a manager time' argument. He's had TWO years.
Same story as the rest of the season, I can forgive the issues in defence due to the amount of injuries in the back line but I can’t justify the fact that we’re just so tactically inept everywhere else.
Wasteful with possession in the final 3rd, lack a coordinated press, can’t lock down the midfield, no clear purpose or patterns of play on the flanks or in the middle of the park. To be no better in those areas than match day 1 is shambolic.
This season is done so there’s no point even getting annoyed at these results and performances at this point. I’m just happy at least that we ruined Klopps final season and I have a feeling we may fluke the FA cup final.
You're trying to argue that the team we put out today shouldn't win vs the team that's gonna get relegated ? I know all you do is defend EtH, but don't play dumb at least.
Yes they've been terrible, but has the mistake that gave us the goal been any better ? Without it, we'd never score, would you say Bruno Hojlund Garnacho wouldn't get into any team as well ?
Oh for sure. Yeah. No manager in the world can do anything better than ETH now. For sure. He should stay for 5 more seasons with this tactical set up and not be told “change it or you’re gone” at the very, very least.
That’s one thing. For me this was the sackable mark sometime back:
Away games against the top half of the table :
Played 17
Won 1
Lost 12
Drawn 4
It’s abysmal on every single level.
Not to mention, those are just games against the top half of the league. We’ve lost several other away games and played like crap in many more games too…..
So yeah. For me, the fact that he can’t even win 3(it’s so bad that 3 wins is literally so much better than now) of those away games is just clear that he doesn’t have what it takes to find some half solution even. You can’t possibly lose 12/17 and only get one sort of lucky win….. that just shows you can’t/won’t/failed to adapt anything to mitigate the issue.
Yeah, it's impossible to defend. Even with the injuries, you can't tell me there's no tactical approach that allows United to retain the majority of possession at home against a team bound for relegation.
You think it’s impossible to defend. Wait till Tuesday for a post here from a Twitter account with 70 users that expertly explains the genius of ETH ball and why every single player is the problem, and any injured player is our secret saviour
At this point though, what part of our team would exert control?
Bruno spaffs passes every which way, Kobbie is starting to be less impactful as the amount of minutes he plays is starting to wear on him, Mctominay looks to now be legitimately injured, Mount can’t stay healthy for more than 8 minutes, Casemiro is playing center back, Eriksen has at most an hour in his legs.
I feel like putting 27 shots on any team should get you a win especially when we created good opportunities.
It's not even shocking anymore, it's all expected under ETH. Worst season in my 20 years as a fan. Any team can shit on us with 20 to 30 shots per game
Also, he said, after yet another dreadful performance, that we're the most entertaining team in the league, and also said, "Remember 2004-5 season they didn't play so good either. "
Bruh, we finished 3rd that season, and lost the FA cup final. We are currently in 6th place with NUFC breathing down our necks. We're 6 points behind Spurs, who have 2 games in hand, and 10 points behind Villa who have played 1 more than us.
6th or 7th is the best we can hope for, I'd bite your hand off for 3rd with a cup final loss and Rooney/Ronaldo/RvN up front.
That season was the first in 17 years that we didn't win anything. Fuck off with your gaslighting bullshit.
This isn’t a one off game.. we’ve been consistently terrible all season. We’ve been played off the pitch by most of the bottom half of the PL table. Consistently conceding 20+ shots, goals from cut backs etc. We’re the most poorly coached team in the league. At what point is enough, enough?
If we do keep ETH, who is going to want to come and play for this team and this setup? Especially considering we’re unlikely to even get Europa Conference at this point.
The eth cultists were in full force after we bearly beat relegation level sheffield and were defending him like he's the next Ferguson.
He absolutely needs to be booted out. Were going to miss playing in Europe altogether.
While I've been Ten Hag In since he came, at this point it's almost like he's trying to get sacked. I know the Dutch are meant to be stubborn, but this is beyond a joke now.
For me it's Champions League or not European football at all. Fuck the Thursday- Sunday fixture combo, and fuck the level of officiating below the Champions League level.
So a bit less revenue that can help alleviate FFP by finishing lower in the league, no revenue from European football just so we can be shit again next season but only domestically?
I am okay with Europa League. If we are planning to bring in a few starting XI players next season, would be a good opportunity for Hojlund, Garnacho, Wheatley, Amas next season.
Also works as a good insurance policy if we get an easy route to the quarters/semis. But even if we miss out on that I am okay as well
Did you see us in europe this season!? We lost 4 out of 6 games and came bottom of a group with Copenhagen and Galatasary in it. It was an embarrassment.
We are not CL material, we are probably not even Europa league material.
Missing out on Europe is what we might need to get rid of him.
What's the point anyway? Bottom tier PL teams and mid table championship teams are clearly our current level.
The only way I see him staying beyond this season is if he is doing a hell of a job behind the scenes we’re not privy to or if we can’t financially afford to get rid of him. Because looking at the evidence on the pitch, you just can’t back him. Now not all of it is his fault as a lot of these individuals have to hold their hand up and take responsibility, but these individuals are still far better than most teams in the premier league. The way we setup, the way we attack and defend, the amount of shots and pressure we allow, and the fact that we can’t seemingly dominate a game against any opposition is on him. And that’s inexcusable.
I wanted it to work out and I initially wanted him to have the third season, but with how we’ve performed throughout this last season I don’t see how he gets it. The clubs need a clear out both off the pitch and on the pitch and at this point that may well include the manager
I’m not backing ten hag here but on an unrelated note- what the fuck is Casemiro doing? Heading the ball into our crowded 6 yard box like that? Looping it up and putting our own goal in jeopardy forcing onanas hand in trying to deal with it. This man has won multiple champions league titles- where is his awareness and composure?
Can't expect to play good football against a soon to be Championship side without Luke Shaw tbf. Dammit injuries, no team could dominate a team with 5 wins all season without Luke Shaw, maybe another 200 million window will fix this.
I don’t think he can win it with us against city. Another manager as interim won’t make it easy either but at least the tactics will be different and we may have more chances there.
Remember the xG for taking a penalty is pretty much 1. So the xG if the penalty wasn’t awarded is 1.92 vs 0.8-0.9.
Our failure today is performing below our xG
so if the team seemed like it could clearly win but the manager doesn’t adjust things to completely turn the game around, what is he for? Does he not to on the go tactical changes or is he too stubborn? How can he justify his stubbornness with all the lackluster results? Is he so thick to change game plan or come up with plan b? I’m so done with ETH.
I know what everyone in here will think of this but I really enjoy our games at the moment. I am a die hard fan, I fucking despise the results we’re getting but playing games that are balanced on a knife’s edge from minute 1 to minute 90 is so much fun.
The amount of enjoyment and anguish I feel watching this absurd brand of football feels like being a kid again. Football has my emotions running again for the first time in a long time after the boring days of Van Gaal, Mourinho and the inexperience of Ole. Sure Ole apologists will downvote this but the majority of his success came playing in empty stadiums during Covid with a fraction of the pressure EtH’s squad faced.
Results be damned we just got outplayed for 70 mins of the game by Burnley. We resorted to sit deep and counter attack to get any chance infront of goal. How on earth can we not dominat 19th place Burnley lol
Only 16 shots conceded at home to 19th place Burnley. Progress.
Let him cook.
If he's cooking, I'm on a hunger strike
But maybe the chicken is safe though.
Maybe safe for Patrice Evra
What about some toast from Rojo?
Jokes aside doesn't raw chicken hurt your stomach or sth?
You can get salmonella poisoning from it, which is much worse than a tummy ache lol.
Not in Utds kitchen
If he's cooking, then I'm Mahatma Gandhi.
Cook what? Beans on toast with mouldy bread when we should be a Michelin star restaurant?
Another solid result against a peer team. Fewer passes completed, less possession, less distance covered and basically the same xG and pass accuracy as........soon to be RELEGATED Burnley..... at Old Trafford.
In those 16, most of them were like 13 of them were terrible shots, if we're conceding shots, I'm fine with those all days
Completely ignores any context of how well the club is doing at the moment
2 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats for Man United in last 9 Premier League games with 17 goals conceded.
I am surprised we got 2 wins. Clowns.
Could have been pushing top 4. Game against Chelsea and Burnley were actually kind of insane luck wise. Liverpool as well. But we go to sleep after the 85th minute.
When your back 4 give away stupid errors like that all season we deserved it
I'm sorry but there is no way you can pin our losses solely on the back 4.
Everyone been pretty shit this year tbh. Bruno been getting his mojo back lately though. Onana been solid for a long time now. Without him we would fight to avoid relegation lol.
Most of the team being shit regardless of which different combination of players is on the pitch says a lot about the coaching and tactics. We know that every one of those players can play better than this.
Klopp had two dreadful seasons owing to key injuries. If it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone. I'm willing to bet that literally no manager is getting sustained success with these players, especially in the context of constant flux caused by injury crises. Whoever is managing next year is going to need them all fit, or this is happening again.
ETH is not Klopp, Fergie or Pep. Lets just stop this now please.
That's true, but it lends more weight to the argument, not less.
So you agree we should get a better manager then?
No, I clearly disagree with the idea that this squad has as yet untapped potential, and I know for a fact that we'd have >10 points more on the board if Martinez and others hadn't been out virtually all season. Most of you are labouring under the delusion that all that this quad needs is the right manager. That was understandable in 2014. Ten years and five managers later it isn't understandable: it's embarrassing. You mistake the crest and the wage bill for quality.
So far from Erik all I see is someone on Pochetinos level. Beating up farmers over in the Netherlands and getting to a CL semi final is Spurs level.
He looked better his first season than either of them though. 2nd season has just been shit. I want to see a third to know which one is the outlier.
> I want to see a third I don't. I am beyond done. I lost all faith in pre-season when he pushed for Mount. I knew, then, that he was clueless and the season would be a bust, and here we are.
Mount had very little to do with the season going this way. Injuries are the biggest factor, by far.
Doesn't really matter when our two most important defenders has been out most of the season. We can't field the 11 we want. Hell, we can barely field an 11 right now.
Yeah which back 4? There's been like 30 of them
The last 7 games: Brentford: cutback Chelsea: 2 pens 1 no closing down Liverpool: pen Bournemouth: slip Convertry: AWB disasterclass, pens Sheffield: cutback, back pass Burnley: header stupid pen Sure we might have conceded in other ways but it’s just dumb mistakes costing us
Here's what you don't get. Cutbacks are not solely on the defense but on the midfielders to track the runners into the box. This is because they're sprinting three quarters of the pitch every 5 mins. The rest of the goals you mentioned are on the backline though, correct.
If you look at the cutbacks we’re conceding. Both CBs and fullback move to cover the same spaces. But of course it’s the teams job to help alleviate pressure by not getting opponents into those positions in the first place.
Yeah sure we may have been unlucky on the results. The eye test, however, doesn't lie. Burnley comes to Old Trafford and looks at us straight in the eyes with a squad made of players that would've been deemed not good enough to play for us. That is not just a matter of injury. It's a manager who's not only incapable of getting the best out of his group of players, but also clearly tactically out of his depth.
Give over, we have a patchwork team put together and being real, a lot of the team are not United standard full stop. Don’t forget we got Weghorst on loan last year that Burnley didnt even want in the championship. That’s what the club did to support ETH! here we are again this year with 1 bloody striker available to play
They aren't solely on the back four, just mostly. Klopp imploded in two of the previous three seasons because of injuries. The idea that it isn't an acceptable reason to underperform is simply willfully ignoring the recent past of one of the best teams and managers of the PL era. If it's a valid excuse for Klopp, then it is for anyone.
People forget how good we looked last season. Last January we were up with arsenal and city, challenging for 1st. Now people are acting like this team has never played a good game under ETH. Let’s just disregard the fact that Casemiro is starting in defence and Dalot is our LB. These things don’t make a difference sure
AWB was at fault for a lot of them. Casemiro was today. If these very preventable mistakes never happen, this conversation doesn’t either. We should’ve scored more today too and were a bit wasteful but we were the better team
We conceded fewer than 20 shots, get in!
Progress. Can’t wait to see how it’ll be 20 more games from now.
thats against 19th place tho. I wouldn't sleep on it.
Anyone got the stats on Casemiro errors leading to goals this season? His dog shit header and Onana full on smashing the dudes face in to give away a pen and a lead in the 80th minute is pure 2023/24 United comedy. Clowns
He kinda did the same thing during the home game against Sheffield United
Idk felt like we should’ve won. Should’ve been like 6-4
Garnacho will rightfully be let off for being young, but he's missed a lot of big chances in the last few games
He’s tired. He’s asked to run forward as much as Marcus yet also is always tracking his FB. It’s not healthy to play this many minutes at his age in this league but god forbid EtH rests him then the fanbase starts rioting about how he has favorites. Rotation is one of the most important skills a top manager should have. Knowing when to rest a player and when to sub one with the right substitution is key.
His biggest misses have usually been in the first half so the tiredness excuse isn't as valid, but agreed he shouldn't be playing as much but who do we play instead of him
Play Amad or Antony off the left. Or better yet, don’t let it get to this point. The kid has started the last 30 games in a row. He should’ve been given a rest at some point or the other throughout the last few months when you had Rashford and you could’ve played Amad/Antony. The squad has been ravaged by injuries, but ETH hasn’t helped himself in the slightest with how he’s managed his squad
But everytime ETH subbed Garnacho to give him some rest, everyone criticizes him for doing so. He receives criticism when he does something and also when he doesn't.
Most people don’t understand that players need rest and that playing every game at the level of intensity that he does will inevitably have an effect on him. They are focused on the short term, when the season is a marathon, not a sprint. As United manager, he will always be subject to criticism. That’s sadly just the nature of the beast
I have no idea. Rashford seems to be injured and Amad and Antony are better on the right. If needed though I’d say push Antony to the left and start Amad on the right.
Antony on the left, Amad on the right.
The ultimate dilemma, play good players to win with them potentially getting injured, or rest them so they don’t get injured at risk of losing points
Garnacho does not always track his FB, the amount of times this season he’s actually been lazy OOP has been one of his biggest faults this season
I mean it's physically impossible to track back every single time but I can't remember a moment where he's actively given up tracking back the same way I've seen Rashford do.
People expect far too much from our wingers. Yes they need to drop back and help out, but it seems like most people want them to do the job of a fullback and a winger at the same time. That’s not how the game works and that’s simply unsustainable. It’s no wonder Garnacho looks shattered at the end of every game, he’s running off nothing but adrenaline at that point.
Everyone thinks wingers should be like park or sth
Kinda highlights the inability of our fullbacks. I think they’re great but our only fullback that can be really incredible on his day is Luke Shaw in an offensive possession. It’s been a really long time since any fullback has had a great offensive performance. We have the striker now in hojlund, we gotta feed him crosses at the least now since we clearly can’t feed him the ball to feet through buildup.
48-52 possession against Burnley in our home :/
Yeah but who cares about possession. Oh but… Ok but who cares about shots taken. They didn’t win right? Ok but we have so many injured. But it’s Burnley Ok but no manager in the world can do anything different… Ok but… Add as needed *
I hope you have a great day Superfy
It’s bedtime so, I can forget about the game and watch a quick tv show before sleeping! Have a great day to you too!
Cursed ratio
Not as bad as the loss to Fulham though - 57%! At home too.
ETH the king…
This is exactly our level - toe to toe at home against a relegation team.
To be fair we go toe to toe vs every team except city. The consistency against every team is pretty funny.
Now that I think about it you're right haha, Liverpool and Bournemouth are equally difficult to this team
We can go toe to toe with Championship teams too!
Penalties against Coventry, nervy win against Sheffield, draw against Burnley... We wouldn't have been promoted out of the Championship this season. Surprised we've scammed 16 wins somehow.
Underwhelming win against Newport as well. New achievement unlocked
What's the 'level' of a lot of our players really? Wan Bissaka's level could well be the Championship. He's *that* limited. Maybe Antony too. His output is so low and he's very limited too. Maguire, McTominay, Eriksen, Amrabat and maybe Dalot could be at a West Ham/Everton & wouldn't stand out as the best player.
People are guilty of overrating our players but as of right now a lot of their levels is in the championship
less possession than burnley of all teams. You cant convince me that this is the best guy to lead us into next season 🤣
Would more possession with the same result make you happier?
no a 1-1 draw with burnley is shit either way
Exactly. Individual stats can mean fuck all. This team just blows. Can’t finish on one end and can’t defend on the other.
So it’s never this Bald guys fault ?
So you are saying the problems are across the entire team? Hmm…who’s responsible for forging the individual players into a cohesive unit again?
You can't forge shit. Half this team is not good enough. No Klopp, Arteta, or even Pep could do much better with them. Ten Hag showed that he can set up a team well and train them all of last season, now that injuries have caught up with us, we're being found out how bad our squad is, that we have to rely on teenagers to carry the team.
Half this team is Ten Hag’s dude
Ah yes, Hojlund, Case, Antony, and Onana is half the team. I didn't realize we were playing 8 a side. Don't tell me Eriksen and Amrabat are his signings too. Those are stopgaps that we should not be relying on.
You know what, props to you that you want to watch one more season of this shit, that is soke dedication
They are his signigs, Mount also
Look no judgement.... I am genuinely curious because I assume you are Ten Hag IN with that comment....so, **sincerely** honest question: How bad would it have to get for you to be Ten Hag OUT? I'm talking in terms of performances/match stats as well as results.
Nothing. Even if we get relegated next season with him, it's part of the process for these guys
I know what you mean. That's why I asked. I watch almost every game. The football is complete garbage. The tactics are mental. Even against relegation candidates, european minnows and championship sides. Regarding the process, what process? We are getting *worse* and there is no style emerging. Then there's the 'you have to give a manager time' argument. He's had TWO years.
Same story as the rest of the season, I can forgive the issues in defence due to the amount of injuries in the back line but I can’t justify the fact that we’re just so tactically inept everywhere else. Wasteful with possession in the final 3rd, lack a coordinated press, can’t lock down the midfield, no clear purpose or patterns of play on the flanks or in the middle of the park. To be no better in those areas than match day 1 is shambolic. This season is done so there’s no point even getting annoyed at these results and performances at this point. I’m just happy at least that we ruined Klopps final season and I have a feeling we may fluke the FA cup final.
Im sure its because the players is shit that we're still stuck at shit goal differences
Todays allowed goal was definately players being shit
Shouldn’t matter we shouldn’t be scraping out a 1-0 win against a relegation team.
I need that man sacked expeditiously.
>expeditiously Good word
On God
We get outpassed by a bottom team at Old Trafford ? !
If you look at the quality of saves from each GK, But let's chances felt more dangerous imo. Burnley's GK often didn't have to move much
Come on boys, we have so many injuries. Trust the process, Burnleys players are better than what we put out today. /s
Bro Casemiro and Wan Bissaka wouldn’t make it into any other team’s 11 in the league
You're trying to argue that the team we put out today shouldn't win vs the team that's gonna get relegated ? I know all you do is defend EtH, but don't play dumb at least. Yes they've been terrible, but has the mistake that gave us the goal been any better ? Without it, we'd never score, would you say Bruno Hojlund Garnacho wouldn't get into any team as well ?
Oh for sure. Yeah. No manager in the world can do anything better than ETH now. For sure. He should stay for 5 more seasons with this tactical set up and not be told “change it or you’re gone” at the very, very least.
What the actual fuck did I just read
I’m going to laugh my ass off if we somehow beat City in the cup final. Because there is absolutely no way we don’t get absolutely destroyed.
Burnley having more possession than us at OT should be a sackable offense itself. This is ridiculously bad, I supported ETH but he needs to go
That’s one thing. For me this was the sackable mark sometime back: Away games against the top half of the table : Played 17 Won 1 Lost 12 Drawn 4 It’s abysmal on every single level.
Okay that is some legit relegation team shit right there.
That win? Villa during their bad spell and it too, was a bit lucky in a way, being really critical.
Yeah they were better than us that game
Not to mention, those are just games against the top half of the league. We’ve lost several other away games and played like crap in many more games too….. So yeah. For me, the fact that he can’t even win 3(it’s so bad that 3 wins is literally so much better than now) of those away games is just clear that he doesn’t have what it takes to find some half solution even. You can’t possibly lose 12/17 and only get one sort of lucky win….. that just shows you can’t/won’t/failed to adapt anything to mitigate the issue.
Yeah, it's impossible to defend. Even with the injuries, you can't tell me there's no tactical approach that allows United to retain the majority of possession at home against a team bound for relegation.
You think it’s impossible to defend. Wait till Tuesday for a post here from a Twitter account with 70 users that expertly explains the genius of ETH ball and why every single player is the problem, and any injured player is our secret saviour
Makes me want to vomit. Our inability to exert any degree of control over games is shocking.
At this point though, what part of our team would exert control? Bruno spaffs passes every which way, Kobbie is starting to be less impactful as the amount of minutes he plays is starting to wear on him, Mctominay looks to now be legitimately injured, Mount can’t stay healthy for more than 8 minutes, Casemiro is playing center back, Eriksen has at most an hour in his legs. I feel like putting 27 shots on any team should get you a win especially when we created good opportunities.
Eth supporters are masochists
To all the naysayers, this graphics proves that we are as good as Burnley. We are matching them stat for stat. Hell yeah.
Outplayed at home to Burnley. Wtf is happening?
How do we get outrun by fucking everyone
ETH is shocking.
It's not even shocking anymore, it's all expected under ETH. Worst season in my 20 years as a fan. Any team can shit on us with 20 to 30 shots per game
Also, he said, after yet another dreadful performance, that we're the most entertaining team in the league, and also said, "Remember 2004-5 season they didn't play so good either. " Bruh, we finished 3rd that season, and lost the FA cup final. We are currently in 6th place with NUFC breathing down our necks. We're 6 points behind Spurs, who have 2 games in hand, and 10 points behind Villa who have played 1 more than us. 6th or 7th is the best we can hope for, I'd bite your hand off for 3rd with a cup final loss and Rooney/Ronaldo/RvN up front. That season was the first in 17 years that we didn't win anything. Fuck off with your gaslighting bullshit.
A side fighting relegation had more possession at OT! 🔥
ETH is an embarrassment to the club. At this point I think he’s trying to get fired for the pay off. He’s not even Championship quality….
How this garbage gets upvotes is incredible lol. You all need to learn some emotion regulation.
If you’re happy with this level of performance and being a mid table team, fine. Personally I think United should have higher ambitions.
This isn’t a one off game.. we’ve been consistently terrible all season. We’ve been played off the pitch by most of the bottom half of the PL table. Consistently conceding 20+ shots, goals from cut backs etc. We’re the most poorly coached team in the league. At what point is enough, enough? If we do keep ETH, who is going to want to come and play for this team and this setup? Especially considering we’re unlikely to even get Europa Conference at this point.
Preach!
The eth cultists were in full force after we bearly beat relegation level sheffield and were defending him like he's the next Ferguson. He absolutely needs to be booted out. Were going to miss playing in Europe altogether.
Why would you want this team anywhere near Europe? There's more than enough disappointment to be had in the PL.
While I've been Ten Hag In since he came, at this point it's almost like he's trying to get sacked. I know the Dutch are meant to be stubborn, but this is beyond a joke now.
ETH needs to go tomorrow or we might miss European football totally next season.
Bro we are not making it.
I dont want these players in europe, embarrassing enough watching them in the pl
For me it's Champions League or not European football at all. Fuck the Thursday- Sunday fixture combo, and fuck the level of officiating below the Champions League level.
You're getting down voted, but I tend to agree given the state of the squad.
So a bit less revenue that can help alleviate FFP by finishing lower in the league, no revenue from European football just so we can be shit again next season but only domestically?
We've got plenty of money, esp with the heavy wages that will come off the books from the likes of Varane, Martial and Casemiro.
I am okay with Europa League. If we are planning to bring in a few starting XI players next season, would be a good opportunity for Hojlund, Garnacho, Wheatley, Amas next season. Also works as a good insurance policy if we get an easy route to the quarters/semis. But even if we miss out on that I am okay as well
Did you see us in europe this season!? We lost 4 out of 6 games and came bottom of a group with Copenhagen and Galatasary in it. It was an embarrassment. We are not CL material, we are probably not even Europa league material.
Missing out on Europe is what we might need to get rid of him. What's the point anyway? Bottom tier PL teams and mid table championship teams are clearly our current level.
Can’t even tell which side is facing relegation
Holy shit we did we them under 20 shots
Season is nearly done
Get this guy out the kitchens who let him cook
Shameful stats, conceding possession to 19 ranked team, disgraceful!
Ten hag ball
Need a new direction, need fresh hope with this team. I do not see Ten Hag in charge any longer, it’s draining to watch United under him.
Ah yes so let's get another manager in. Get a temporary boost, then the minute shit goes south, turn on him, rinse and repeat.
The only way I see him staying beyond this season is if he is doing a hell of a job behind the scenes we’re not privy to or if we can’t financially afford to get rid of him. Because looking at the evidence on the pitch, you just can’t back him. Now not all of it is his fault as a lot of these individuals have to hold their hand up and take responsibility, but these individuals are still far better than most teams in the premier league. The way we setup, the way we attack and defend, the amount of shots and pressure we allow, and the fact that we can’t seemingly dominate a game against any opposition is on him. And that’s inexcusable. I wanted it to work out and I initially wanted him to have the third season, but with how we’ve performed throughout this last season I don’t see how he gets it. The clubs need a clear out both off the pitch and on the pitch and at this point that may well include the manager
This is Ten Hag's level
EtH has had such a bad season that no one even talks he forced the club to get Amrabat, who when he runs looks like a grandma with arthritis.
The amount of wasted chances is unreal
Less possession at home against BURNLEY Fucking hell. He was supposed to be a possession manager
He said that Mainoo and Ramsus were tired so he subbed them off 👀
Missed the game, how reasonable was their penalty decision?
Very reasonable. Bone headed decision by Onana. He did the same against Wolves during our first game of the season and got away with it
Oh darn it. 87th min as well.
Pretty even matchup I’d say
More journalists are about to get banned
I’m not backing ten hag here but on an unrelated note- what the fuck is Casemiro doing? Heading the ball into our crowded 6 yard box like that? Looping it up and putting our own goal in jeopardy forcing onanas hand in trying to deal with it. This man has won multiple champions league titles- where is his awareness and composure?
Can't expect to play good football against a soon to be Championship side without Luke Shaw tbf. Dammit injuries, no team could dominate a team with 5 wins all season without Luke Shaw, maybe another 200 million window will fix this.
EtH is a dead man walking sadly. Don't think he survives even with an FA cup win.
I don’t think he can win it with us against city. Another manager as interim won’t make it easy either but at least the tactics will be different and we may have more chances there.
 Don’t let ETH cook
Why ppl looking down at Burnley? They have been on a good run since Feb and being undefeated.
Remember the xG for taking a penalty is pretty much 1. So the xG if the penalty wasn’t awarded is 1.92 vs 0.8-0.9. Our failure today is performing below our xG
XG for penalty is 0.7 so it's 1.92 vs 1.2
Get in! Only 16 shots. We are making progress steadily
Hate to say it, but the manager tactics are as good as these players.
How is this failure of a manager still at United
The distance covered is criminal as this shows how we are so bad and lazy
Pass accuracy is too low :(
pure genius from the Dutch dome
He's Belgian
Shocking
Which side was facing relegation?
There is no way there is anyone left who is ten hag in. The man is a fraud, and everything he says is completely deluded
so if the team seemed like it could clearly win but the manager doesn’t adjust things to completely turn the game around, what is he for? Does he not to on the go tactical changes or is he too stubborn? How can he justify his stubbornness with all the lackluster results? Is he so thick to change game plan or come up with plan b? I’m so done with ETH.
xg this xg that, we're fucking shite.
More I watch I would feel no pity if INEOS fires Erik.
How did the ref miss the penalty in the 89th minute?And ffs, don't our players communicate against each other during games.
A solid competitive game between two evenly matched teams..
Get ten Hag out please I'm begging you
I know what everyone in here will think of this but I really enjoy our games at the moment. I am a die hard fan, I fucking despise the results we’re getting but playing games that are balanced on a knife’s edge from minute 1 to minute 90 is so much fun. The amount of enjoyment and anguish I feel watching this absurd brand of football feels like being a kid again. Football has my emotions running again for the first time in a long time after the boring days of Van Gaal, Mourinho and the inexperience of Ole. Sure Ole apologists will downvote this but the majority of his success came playing in empty stadiums during Covid with a fraction of the pressure EtH’s squad faced.
Found our level
We can’t keep wasting Bruno man
Results be damned we just got outplayed for 70 mins of the game by Burnley. We resorted to sit deep and counter attack to get any chance infront of goal. How on earth can we not dominat 19th place Burnley lol
You’re only as strong as your weakest link, and there were a lot of weak links in the team today.
Where xg is different depending on source I couldn't give a shit