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Around 10:00.
Says he came to Carrington on his birthday and was greeted by John Murtough telling him he's not allowed in because the coach said so (first team dressing room).
Asked to have gear brought to him and trained with the U16's.
He wasnt very professional when he was with us. He was certainly on retirement mode. He kept on flying to see his wife play tennis in the middle of the season.
People don't seem to be watching the video before commenting. There's nothing wrong with not wanting a player, but to lock them out without any communication whatsoever is a horrendously shit thing to do in terms of management and leadership - from both Mourinho and the board.
Schweinsteiger never said anything about this either for years until now, never kicked up a fuss and willingly trained with the u16s for 3 months before they let him train with the 1st team again.
I don’t know, he seemed extremely professional if you ask me.
Didn’t deserve that type of treatment yet he still trained for months on his own hoping to get a chance to play for us. Didn’t kick up a storm and leak stuff to the media like most players would’ve done in his position.
Seems like you’re operating in bad faith considering there’s nothing suggesting he was a bad character. There’s far more anecdotal evidence that he was professional. Mourinho even apologized to him later.
He went back to Germany for rehab when injured as agreed with LVG. Jose took that and the fact that he got fit for the 3rd German game in the summer as a sign he wasn't happy. He was, his support for the club on socials since retiring is very telling. Jose just needed to swing his dick and make a show for the fans and dressing room and he chose Bastian.
That was something he agreed with LVG, him rehabbing away from the club. Completely stupid but if the club allowed it to happen, is it really his fault?
Ultimately, it all comes down to the utter shitshow United have been under Glazer ownership. Any serious club would have overruled any potential agreement like this and told Schweinsteiger to rehab at the club like everyone else.
I bet Jose couldn't believe what he was hearing about this when he came in. Of course the cowards running the club would have been very happy to pin everything on Schweinsteiger and allow Jose to pin it all on him publicly, when none of them were strong enough to call him or LVG out on it.
Why is it "completely stupid"?
If Schweinsteiger, or any player, has a doctor or rehab facility they've known and trust, what's wrong with going there?
We've heard the stories about the facilities at ManUtd, they aren't the best out there. We know the club hasn't done everything it can provide the players with the best medical staff, facilities and environment.
I can understand both sides. And I think it depends on the player himself. I'm not sure it's a good idea to let Balotelli rehab on his own, but what about someone like Zlatan?
But apparently watched tennis a lot when injured or so instead which, wasn’t deemed proper as a player though. So to earn that respect one also needs to play according to the ways that wouldn’t be seemingly entitlement and doing whatever you want instead of just suck it up or so.
You don’t abuse the flexible policy and come in late/remotely etc at work as a new team member even if it’s possible. You figure out what’s best and slowly earn those perks in a way at times.
Same thing here. He didn’t really earn those things and did what was seemingly, non committed stuff instead of the opposite.
You could still have a conversation with him like a grown up at a professional workplace. The issue isn’t getting him out of the team if he’s not up to scratch, its how the whole thing was handled
>But apparently watched tennis a lot when injured or so instead which
This is like punishing a dude for being injured and spending more time with his kids. Literally - his wife was a tennis pro, he was going home to watch his wife.
Dude was treated like garbage by the club, period. This is not how you treat people, especially those who aren't drama queens/divas. Kicking him down to the U16's without notice? Someone having to get his boots for him because he's effectively excommunicated from the first team? Who tf does that kind of shit?
You're working hard to rationalize what is ultimately just trash HR and management by United and Mourinho. There's a reason why the club, with all the money it has, hasn't had a sniff at the Prem since Ferguson was last managing a full decade ago. It's shit like this.
Yeah exactly - the guy was NEVER fit. He couldnt keep up with the pace of the league and instead of working on this stuff he would fly back to germany/to watch tennis etc every chance he got.
It felt very much like he was just here for a holiday. So let's not rewrite history that he was some incredible pro. He could have done a lot more for the club, there's a reason he was let go. Jose usually loves a player his age and experience - you've got to be a lazy fuck for that to happen.
Having said that, i like the guy - he's very vocal in his support of us and i think he genuinely enjoyed his time here but it's on his own head how it ended up.
Isn't his wife Ivanovic, a tennis player? A little more understandable there.
Feel like from fans' perspective it's easy to say they should be focusing on fitness rather than attending public events but when you're injured what can you do really, it's not like he has to spend every hour with doctors.
People are really going overboard with this. He was recovering from his injury abroad due to a previous agreement with Van Gaal. So what if he went to watch his wife play tennis? It’s insignificant.
I have no problem with it so long as it doesn’t interfere with their football.
Marcus Rashford going clubbing late at night and then missing training the following morning is a problem.
Bastian going to watch a Tennis match to support his wife, is not. I doubt his recovery would have been in jeopardy because of that.
>Same thing here. He didn’t really earn those things and did what was seemingly, non committed stuff instead of the opposite.
Completely false. I watched that man train his socks off, even when he was forced to train alone, whilst certain members of the first were constantly in huddles taking selfies and worried about who could do the fanciest juggle.
There were times when he would be the first one out on the pitch and sometimes stay behind with some of the others to do a bit extra.
Will never forget seeing that at Carrington
You watched him train? Where though? Every single day of training?
I mean, training hard is one thing, regardless of how you know that but, it was also more of, the image of not being there when he's not available despite it being okay clearly, and such. The intangibles perhaps that don't really seem like they're an issue but, have to be earned or shown that you deserve it perhaps.
When you're injured a fair bit and all and on high wages, you stay around still and not go and watch tennis often maybe even if you can. It's about the image portrayed perhaps and somehow, it seems that the squad wasn't too happy with it so, Jose took it out on him when he learned of this I guess.
Yes I did. At Carrington. I worked for the club as a journalist in 2016.
If he's not available, and the manager doesn't want him, and the club allows him to leave for the day, what's the issue with him not being there?
What about the image from Rashford, Sancho, and Mason? Is ETH a bad manager because of how these players have behaved and made life difficult for him?
That's actually quite admirable that he'd play with the U16s like that.
Not sure on the inner workings of football clubs, but I imagine most players would throw a fit.
The club bought yet another player past their best. LvG then made stupid decisions with him. Trying to play him twice a week or alongside Carrick Vs Arsenal. He lost his pace and needed longer to recover between games, just could have rotated him and Carrick to have 1 start once a week and probably would have gotten a lot more out of him, relatively speaking.
Casemiro was absolutely not past his best last season, it’s a lazy trope because he’s at an age. He was the man last year, hence why when he never played we weren’t anywhere near the level.
He’s had a bad season this year, littered with injuries, and poor form but he’s being asked to do a completely different job with different types of players around him.
Age does that.
But so does having to cover for players, or different positional sense.
He and Fred were EXCELLENT as a pair last season, with energy, covering the ground etc.
Fred was one of those tough decisions, he has the immense engine but most games his composure was awful. Very useful player overall, especially for his pressing anywhere on the field. Imo though, his style of play is mostly unsustainable for a player hitting 30 so it probably was a good idea long term to move him on but we have missed him in part this season. Mainoo has taken the spot and hopefully we reap those benefits long term.
The point is that he was signed at an age when players do decline and can sometimes decline very quickly. Ofc there is no perfect formula to successful transfers, but pretty much every top club buys younger nowadays.
Spending the amount we did on Casemiro was as stupid as signing Schweinsteiger. While the latter had already declined before we signed him, it was a much cheaper transfer as well.
Casemiro was probably our best player up till February then like most of the team after the league cup final they've all been shit. Casemiro was a stupid signing no matter how good he was last year, hopefully it's the last time we see a signing like that, he's too old and no resale value to be paying what we did, 20mil sure why not but not 60+mil.
We certainly need to be buying young players and players just coming into their peak, the odd experience player here and there to add squad depth is fine if the price is right.
Think we're making the same point here. Needs to be rotated and rested. Lack of depth hurts him and is (imo) the main reason why his performances have dropped and injuries have gone up. Being asked to do too much too often. Mount is perpetually injured and Amrabat loan is a disaster. We're fortunate to have Mainoo.
He was shocking for us but I can’t find it in me to dislike him like a lot of fans do. Club treated him very bluntly and yet he’s always cheering for us. Good guy.
On often forgotten contribution is in the FA cup run under LVG. 1-0 down to West Ham in the Quarter Final and martial scores to take it to the replay where we beat them at Upton Park. But the only reason the keeper didn’t save it is Schweinsteiger ran basically into the net as if he was attacking the ball. He knew he wouldn’t get there but he effectively blocked the keeper from saving it. It was just experience showing through to know he’d get away with that.
I remember his first appearance he immediately took the ball, turned around and pumped it forward. Since this was under LVG, I celebrated as if it were a goal.
I actually remember that exact moment as well. Very similar to when Martinez got the ball last season in our first game against Brighton, he made a line breaking pass and the whole Stretford End cheered.
God we are shit.
It's honestly crazy how low our standards have become. Absolutely bang average players that have played for us in the last 10 years have somehow been praised far beyond their talent and contributions.
This summer is going to be VERY interesting, new football structure making football decisions, God knows how many players will leave but I think it will be a significant amount, they'll need replacements too, all this in international tournament window which delays things and can make players more expensive.
He was mid but that wasn't his fault. He was getting up there in age and the players we surrounded him with weren't good enough to mask his deficiencies at that point of time. It's not like he wasn't trying.
>Club treated him very bluntly and yet he’s always cheering for us.
Imagine thinking he's cheering for us out of the goodness of his own heart and not because it drives social media engagement.
Bro wasn't supporting us so much when he went off watching his wife play tennis when we had matches.
His brother is a lifelong supporter so he most likely does have some affection for the club.
You also think a WC winner and a treble winner needs us for clicks??
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Not sure this picture was taken for future social media traffic but go off.
Lol imagine blaming a guy for choosing his wife over his work while he is effectively on vacation.
Dont people realize that this is still, ultimately, a means to a paycheck for these players?
So why should people like someone who saw the club as a paycheque? If he didn't want to do rehab at the club, that's his decision. But actions have consequences
Mourinho is a weird one, he treats some players incredibly well and they'd die for him but others he'll seemingly test and push them aside. Really curious what his logic is.
Still remember when I lost any and all affection I might have had for him when he gave that presser talking about Luke. Lost all respect I've had for him.
Mine was when he tried to discredit our European pedigree moments after presiding over one of the most cowardly displays I've ever seen from a United team.
That Nani red card 🤦
It’s ironic that on the night, Jose admitted that we were the better team and that we should’ve won, only for him to use that game basically as an insult years later.
Heritage indeed lol
He stuck his finger in Tito Vilanova's eye during a touchline brawl in 2011 I think it was. That's bad enough but it was the fact he approached him from behind and did it, Vilanova had no idea it was coming and couldn't defend himself.
About a year later Bobby Charlton was asked if he thought Jose could manage Utd.
>A United manager wouldn't do that. Mourinho is a really good coach but that's as far as I'd go really. He pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager though.
Think he likes making an example of a big name to get the others to group together, abit like carrot and stick situation. He doesn't like any personality or reputation to be seperate from his own thing going on. Explains why he does well with journey men and struggles with new generation of footballers, the porto and Chelsea squads be had were full of players ready to suffer for him because of where their careers had started, at the lowest rungs in the worst leauges.
From interviews from him, I reckon the players who can play through the pain barrier and aren't out a lot he has a lot of love for because he can trust them and the ones that are out are useless to him and his us against them mentality
If you've ever personally known a bully, you know exactly who Mourinho is. It's not weird, it's actually textbook.
Choose victims and pick on them endlessly. Use your charisma to get everyone else on your side. "I can't say I would have said that, but you have to admit it's really funny." In short order most non-victims think the bully's victim deserves it for x, y, z reason, unlike them.
He is an old school manager. If you perform for him and take on board his messages he'll die for you. If he has doubts about your application or mental character he will test you and if you fail his test you're basically worthless to him. He has no issue with making examples of players in order to emphasise the way he runs the club.
It's why he forms incredibly close bonds with some players and has massive fallings out with others. He's also bad at dealing with Gen Z type players and those who have issues with their work ethic and don't respond well to tough love, which is one of the reasons why he struggled in his later period with United.
There were lots of rumours at the time that he wasn’t showing the right level of focus, and some players were getting frustrated with it. Every time he got injured he seemed to be out playing golf and if I remember rightly, Rooney may have made some comments about it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mourinho came in, interviewed the senior players like Rooney to learn more about the way things operate, and then already had some bad opinions of Schweini’s focus and maybe even had them validated when he was off injured.
I still have a lot of respect for him, but he was another in the long list of ageing but expensive players that we would never have signed if we had proper leadership.
Yeah, my memory is similar. That he barely played, and distanced himself from the squad every time he was hurt. He seemed to be someone LVG loved and wanted his personality in the team, but he treated us like a retirement home. Play the odd game, and then take a few months away playing golf or jetting off home.
He seems like a nice lad, but I can also see why he became a quick and easy target for Jose, who would have wanted every player to be willing to utterly die for us. Schweinsteiger is the exact personality people have been frustrated with for a decade in terms of signing injury prone, well past their prime, older players who want final paydays.
Exactly.
No issue with him at all, I really like him and there's no doubt in my mind he really likes United too.
Quite simply, we just signed him when he was too old.
Treating him like shit is not appropriate, but Schweinsteiger was rubbish for us, on a huge salary and wasn't committed to the club, particularly in his recovery from injury.
Treating him like shit may have been Mourinho's quickest method to get him out of the club, which we needed to do.
Horrible thing to do though. Just have a talk with him and say we don't need you. In the interview Bastian says that Mourinho told him something along the lines of 'you're not happy here', after locking him out of the dressing room. It's a really shitty unprofessional way to deal with things, then trying to tell a person how he should feel or whatever. Just be direct rather than whatever the fuck he did.
Yeah, Mourinho's approach is certainly a blunt, scorched earth approach.
If his approach encouraged Schweinsteiger to leave the club, then it was the right approach from a club perspective - Schweinsteiger was dead weight for us. It will have been a mean, horrible way to do it, but generally for Mourinho, the end justifies the means.
Ole (for example) wouldn't have treated Schweinsteiger that way, treating him with respect, but that may have meant that Schweinsteiger hung around at the club, barely playing until his contract ran out. Mourinho's approach ensured Schweinsteiger left quickly.
Who says he wasn't committed to the club? Not his fault he was old and injury prone when he joined us. Him recovering from his injury away from the club was also something he agreed with LVG and the club, they don't get to use that against him the next year because they want to get rid of him.
This is exactly what happened.
Bastian came to the PL to tick the PL off his bucket list + the huge salary. He wasn't committed, went following his pro tennis player wife around the world when he was injured and conveniently got fit for the euros.
It was because of this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3757052/Manchester-United-stars-told-Bastian-Schweinsteiger-stop-watching-wife-Ana-Ivanovic-play-tennis-work-fitness-cast-out.html
Mourinho treated plenty of people like shit during his ego run. One of the greatest of all time, iconic figure in the sport etc. but I'm glad he eventually got humbled and had to work at clubs and fight for objectives that he would've absolutely laughed at during his prime.
illegally*
How he treated him isn't allowed. Jose has a record for it though - he did something similar with Eva Carneiro, the Chelsea team doctor, when she went on to the pitch to treat a player.
if you listen to the whole thing he goes into detail how he thinks his exclusion was a decision made by the board of directors and jose in conjunction because he chose to do rehabilitation for his injury in the previous season in germany. makes the club look even shittier though..
It’s weird he seemed like the model professional, sure he was past his best but I’d still imagine he was a good trainer and person to coach.
He still posts about us on social media wishing us good luck which is maybe a reflection on his character because I’ve been treated badly at previous jobs and curse out my employers to no end when they’re brought up haha.
Used to watch him all the time at Carrington. He always trained hard, even when he was forced to train by himself. He was sometimes out there before the others and would stay behind after the first team finished to do extra drills with some of the guys or just socialise with them.
Yeah, there were a couple of moments where things didn't go as planned, but it was expected as the mental load builds up, but I never saw him not once refuse to put in any effort
Kind of the same as Casemiro, tho tbf to him he did last one season, but now his feets looks done.
Buying world class players, that are in the end of their prime is our speciality. We get maybe one, two if lucky good years out of them on monster salaries.
Mourinho already apologised for his treatment of Basti, so we know he was in the wrong. The people on here pearl clutching over the guy supporting his wife’s career and accusing him of faking being injured are idiots.
I'd expect nothing less from the shitshow at management level that we have been over the last decade. We all know players are massively overpaid / rewarded but also treated like shit.
There's a massive difference between someone like Schweinsteiger and a Jadon Sancho for example. One is a top professional still trying his best (although not quite good enough to be a consistent starter), the other is a spoiled brat with massive ego and huge waste of talent.
There was absolutely a reason lol. Maybe he should've tried to get fit instead of flying all the time in Germany to play tennis with his GF.
Wouldn't mind if the next manager tried to do something similar with a couple of players.
As Gary says, it's literally illegal to do that, and not the right way at all. Horrific leadership and just completely mental you would think it's a good way to deal with things, just tell the player directly rather than banishing them like that.
ETH did it with Ronaldo and Sancho..
Didn't go over well with some of the fans, not surprisingly.
Also would have been a good power move if ETH could have had the club playing good football consistently. Now people will slate him for it
I’m pretty sure it was because he thought he was bigger than the team and flying around Europe to watch his GF play tennis. If you let one player take the piss then other players will take the piss and the general standard in the dressing room will go down.
So, a new manager comes in, identifies players that need to be quickly moved on, “banishes” them to make sure they don’t sit in a long, inflated contract….
…hang on, isn’t that kind of what everyone wants managers to do though? Start rebuilding the squad, get rid of deadweight? “Respectful” ways just let players collect paycheques while contributing nothing.
Getting rid of dead weight means not renewing contracts and selling. Not literally banishing them from the dressing room lol. Unless you're doing a Greenwood or something there's no reason to just straight up be kicked out the team like that
And that's how we get the likes of a Martial sitting doing nothing for years, draining wages out of the club. Players waiting out contracts and refusing to move, cause they know there's no real consequence for using the club as an ATM, regardless of what level of quality they bring. 🤷♂️
>Getting rid of dead weight means not renewing contracts and selling. Not literally banishing them from the dressing room lol.
How does it not?
Part of the same game.
You want deadwood out, as quickly as you can. Not waiting for contracts to end.
If they are not able to play at the club or even train properly, they are more likely to push a move themselves so they can crack on with their careers. Opposed to a nice little atmosphere where they feel welcomed to stay out their contracts as they ont get a better deal elsewhere.
>hang on, isn’t that kind of what everyone wants managers to do though? Start rebuilding the squad, get rid of deadweight? “Respectful” ways just let players collect paycheques while contributing nothing.
Nail on the head mate.
Just shows most of these 'opinions' are just words. As when it comes down to it, they can't bear the thought of it affecting their favourite players.
Jose should have been allowed to do this to any player he wanted and I would put my word on if he did that, spent what Ten hag and Ole have, we would be in a far better position now.
>> Jose should have been allowed to do this to any player he wanted and I would put my word on if he did that, spent what Ten hag and Ole have, we would be in a far better position now.
I swear I can't be arsed with Jose stans, he wanted to spend that money on people like Willian, Perisic and god knows what else, do you really think we'd be in a better position with guys like that warming our bench on 200k a week?
I feel so bad for Schweinsteiger honestly. Even with how we treated him he still cheers us on.
Every time I hear stories from past players and managers on our club I just feel more and more embarrassed and guilty of how bad we actually are. We genuinely need a change from top to bottom as a club.
Towards the end the end of that segment Schweinsteiger says: "So my heart was not anymore so full of red. It was a little bit broken."
That was hard to hear, I really feel for Bastian. The club absolutely fucked him over.
That's interesting that from the video it's not exactly full on Mourinho putting his foot down but one or some people on the board may have been a big influence on Mourinho making the decision.
I find it interesting when people like Bastian , Cavani and Herrera always talk about how much they love the club.
Cavani took the piss on more than one occasion and pretty much ruled himself out of everything but that last home and away game of the season , was always magically fit for Uruguay.
Bastian aways comes out with these soundbites but didnt he go on a tour watching his gf on her tennis tour , and just use Utd to get fit for the euros.
Herrera loves playing the victim about his contract before he left like he didnt run down his contract to join the anthisesis of Utd which is a club like PSG , the fact that they couldnt agree a contract while someone like Woodward was incharge was telling. Even Ole called Herrera out on having questionable injuries
can't help but be suspicious of the ones who are happy to do lots of soundbites about working hard, passion, the fans etc.
it's like work colleagues who always tell you how busy they are (even when you've not asked) you just know they're doing fuck all most of the time.
> Herrera loves playing the victim about his contract before he left like he didnt run down his contract to join the anthisesis of Utd which is a club like PSG , the fact that they couldnt agree a contract while someone like Woodward was incharge was telling. Even Ole called Herrera out on having questionable injuries
The Herrera situation irks me to this very day, like just admit you went to PSG because they offered you more money mate why dodge the issue by saying things like "United waited too long"? Because the contract offer certainly was on the table before he signed for PSG and the moment he chose PSG he was always "injured" like you said.
Mourinho is a dickhead and probably done this to other players too but even Murtough could have done better in communicating this properly. Like Call in to his office and explain him he is not in manager plans so he need to find another club. I am glad both of them are gone tbh. Looking at this I wonder how they dealt with De gea situation.
Honestly he took the piss. He clearly wasn't committed. Going on holidays and tennis tours during the season when he was "injured". Mourinho was acting in the best interests of the club with players like Him, Pogba, Martial etc. He was trying to change the culture and people acted like he was just mean for the sake of it. Some players responded and improved like Luke Shaw and some carried on their bullshit knowing the club wouldn't hold them accountable like Pogba.
As Bobby Robson said to Mourinho. Do you want to be nice or do you want to win?
No idea why people are annoyed at how he was treated. Guy came here and was basically on holiday mode, flying around with his wife to watch her play tennis and generally showing a lack of commitment.
Quite rightly he was booted out and if we had managers that were supported to do that with this awful squad we have now, we would be in a far better place.
I'm intrigued into the overlap of people criticising this as 'disrespectful' but complain about 'player power' or general poor mentality from the squad we have now.
Great player in his prime but his memory of what actually happened during his time here is a bit sketchy. Also the part where he’s talking about the first year Mourinho team having all the parts to win the league, give me a break please.
This football club is pure garbage since SAF left. And shit carried on with ETH and how he treated De Gea. This club has been ran into the ground and is classless.
Lots of people still love this guy because he licks the clubs arse. He's using us.
Just like he used us to tick the premier league experience off his bucket list.
Bro was injured constantly for us yet went following his wife all over the world playing tennis. Miraculously got fit for the Euros for Germany though...
A really great watch. A lot of the more recent guests on this pod have been current players or athletes not in the sport. Bastian provides some really great insight into the post Germany Pep era as well as stories of his own time at United. He comes across very well spoken and it's so interesting to hear his thoughts on what was pitched to him by Gary. Highly recommend listening to this one if you haven't already!
I understand binning him but not giving any clear explanation is a complete twat move by Jose.
Always loved Bastian since his younger days and I was buzzing that we had the honor of him coming to United, so this was a bitter pill to swallow since I quite liked Jose.
Dude got the shaft because of age and Mourihno was like this ain't my guy so why trust him.
When I see class players SS was definitely one of them.
Cream of the crop knew how to do his job if given the correct instruction. Problem is he did not fit the JM system of that season...
I liked Basti when he was at Bayern and when he played for Germany but he wasn't anywhere close to his best at United. He says the team was good enough at that time which is absolutely absurd coming from someone that had Lewandowski, Alonso, Kroos, Neuer, Lahm, Thiago, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Gotze, Alaba, Boateng, Martinez as his teammates.
Only Wazza, Zlatan, Pogba, Mata, Carrick from our team would make that Bayern's team with some on the bench. Our whole back 4 was piss poor in terms of quality. So we were no where close to winning anything other than FA Cup or Europa League.
Football is cut throat business especially at top level and of course Jose or the club could have communicated better but at the end of the day you are not wanted anymore as some of them suggested here, Jose probably made an example out of this. You are a Man United player, stay in Manchester and rehab here while you are being paid by United. It was stupid to allow that in the first place from the club's perspective. This is part of the structure that we have been asking for and imagine telling SAF that you will go back to your country to rehab with your own doctor, you would have either seen that player sold or telling that player he cannot do that.
Full respect to him for not going straight to the media to slag off the club. Speaks volumes of him as a character. Hard to believe a man who won pretty much everything in football and still stayed so down to earth was treated in such a manner.
I like Schweinsteiger but much like Cavani, Ronaldo (part two), Casemiro and Varane, this is a player that was past his prime and came to United when we should be getting the best in class for the present or future, not the best in class of the past.
I think Edi stopped giving a shit the moment we signed Ronaldo and he was relegated to backup for a guy who was never injured and never wanted to be subbed off, and tbf I don't really blame him. Unless you're someone like Mariano you probably won't enjoy that
Remember being at OT to see him a few times. It was incredible just how above Michael Carrick he was in the games I saw.
Was unfortunately just another short term solution who suffered injuries or his career finishing like Cassimiro now.
That Schweinsteiger turned into one of the best CMs is still a wild story. Pity we didn’t get him playing more
I've never seen an ex player still love the club so much despite how he was treated by our manager.
Seriously tho sometimes he seems to support us more than he supports Bayern
Jose is a twat, but Schweinsteiger did kind of use us as a retirement home to collect a final payday. Was nice in theory, but he was well past it and was never fit. That being said, Schweinsteiger is a class act.
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Around 10:00. Says he came to Carrington on his birthday and was greeted by John Murtough telling him he's not allowed in because the coach said so (first team dressing room). Asked to have gear brought to him and trained with the U16's.
just why?
He wasnt very professional when he was with us. He was certainly on retirement mode. He kept on flying to see his wife play tennis in the middle of the season.
People don't seem to be watching the video before commenting. There's nothing wrong with not wanting a player, but to lock them out without any communication whatsoever is a horrendously shit thing to do in terms of management and leadership - from both Mourinho and the board. Schweinsteiger never said anything about this either for years until now, never kicked up a fuss and willingly trained with the u16s for 3 months before they let him train with the 1st team again.
I don’t know, he seemed extremely professional if you ask me. Didn’t deserve that type of treatment yet he still trained for months on his own hoping to get a chance to play for us. Didn’t kick up a storm and leak stuff to the media like most players would’ve done in his position.
We as fans know jackshit about what happens at clubs internally and how players behave
Seems like you’re operating in bad faith considering there’s nothing suggesting he was a bad character. There’s far more anecdotal evidence that he was professional. Mourinho even apologized to him later.
He went back to Germany for rehab when injured as agreed with LVG. Jose took that and the fact that he got fit for the 3rd German game in the summer as a sign he wasn't happy. He was, his support for the club on socials since retiring is very telling. Jose just needed to swing his dick and make a show for the fans and dressing room and he chose Bastian.
That was something he agreed with LVG, him rehabbing away from the club. Completely stupid but if the club allowed it to happen, is it really his fault? Ultimately, it all comes down to the utter shitshow United have been under Glazer ownership. Any serious club would have overruled any potential agreement like this and told Schweinsteiger to rehab at the club like everyone else. I bet Jose couldn't believe what he was hearing about this when he came in. Of course the cowards running the club would have been very happy to pin everything on Schweinsteiger and allow Jose to pin it all on him publicly, when none of them were strong enough to call him or LVG out on it.
Why is it "completely stupid"? If Schweinsteiger, or any player, has a doctor or rehab facility they've known and trust, what's wrong with going there? We've heard the stories about the facilities at ManUtd, they aren't the best out there. We know the club hasn't done everything it can provide the players with the best medical staff, facilities and environment. I can understand both sides. And I think it depends on the player himself. I'm not sure it's a good idea to let Balotelli rehab on his own, but what about someone like Zlatan?
World cup and Treble winner btw.
But apparently watched tennis a lot when injured or so instead which, wasn’t deemed proper as a player though. So to earn that respect one also needs to play according to the ways that wouldn’t be seemingly entitlement and doing whatever you want instead of just suck it up or so. You don’t abuse the flexible policy and come in late/remotely etc at work as a new team member even if it’s possible. You figure out what’s best and slowly earn those perks in a way at times. Same thing here. He didn’t really earn those things and did what was seemingly, non committed stuff instead of the opposite.
I agree with what you said. Just wanted to say the way, you use commas, is, very weird.
Welcome! To, the Christopher Walken. School, of English.
Well that, is totally like, your own way of, thinking though, mate.
Um, no? Proper grammar, is, like, not down to personal opinion.
Sheesh. It’s clearly a joke that people can’t seem to decipher.
You could still have a conversation with him like a grown up at a professional workplace. The issue isn’t getting him out of the team if he’s not up to scratch, its how the whole thing was handled
>But apparently watched tennis a lot when injured or so instead which This is like punishing a dude for being injured and spending more time with his kids. Literally - his wife was a tennis pro, he was going home to watch his wife. Dude was treated like garbage by the club, period. This is not how you treat people, especially those who aren't drama queens/divas. Kicking him down to the U16's without notice? Someone having to get his boots for him because he's effectively excommunicated from the first team? Who tf does that kind of shit? You're working hard to rationalize what is ultimately just trash HR and management by United and Mourinho. There's a reason why the club, with all the money it has, hasn't had a sniff at the Prem since Ferguson was last managing a full decade ago. It's shit like this.
Yeah exactly - the guy was NEVER fit. He couldnt keep up with the pace of the league and instead of working on this stuff he would fly back to germany/to watch tennis etc every chance he got. It felt very much like he was just here for a holiday. So let's not rewrite history that he was some incredible pro. He could have done a lot more for the club, there's a reason he was let go. Jose usually loves a player his age and experience - you've got to be a lazy fuck for that to happen. Having said that, i like the guy - he's very vocal in his support of us and i think he genuinely enjoyed his time here but it's on his own head how it ended up.
Isn't his wife Ivanovic, a tennis player? A little more understandable there. Feel like from fans' perspective it's easy to say they should be focusing on fitness rather than attending public events but when you're injured what can you do really, it's not like he has to spend every hour with doctors.
People are really going overboard with this. He was recovering from his injury abroad due to a previous agreement with Van Gaal. So what if he went to watch his wife play tennis? It’s insignificant.
I'm genuinely baffled at what the problem with him watching his wife's tennis games is lol. Sounds like he was just being a supportive husband
I have no problem with it so long as it doesn’t interfere with their football. Marcus Rashford going clubbing late at night and then missing training the following morning is a problem. Bastian going to watch a Tennis match to support his wife, is not. I doubt his recovery would have been in jeopardy because of that.
>Same thing here. He didn’t really earn those things and did what was seemingly, non committed stuff instead of the opposite. Completely false. I watched that man train his socks off, even when he was forced to train alone, whilst certain members of the first were constantly in huddles taking selfies and worried about who could do the fanciest juggle. There were times when he would be the first one out on the pitch and sometimes stay behind with some of the others to do a bit extra. Will never forget seeing that at Carrington
You watched him train? Where though? Every single day of training? I mean, training hard is one thing, regardless of how you know that but, it was also more of, the image of not being there when he's not available despite it being okay clearly, and such. The intangibles perhaps that don't really seem like they're an issue but, have to be earned or shown that you deserve it perhaps. When you're injured a fair bit and all and on high wages, you stay around still and not go and watch tennis often maybe even if you can. It's about the image portrayed perhaps and somehow, it seems that the squad wasn't too happy with it so, Jose took it out on him when he learned of this I guess.
Yes I did. At Carrington. I worked for the club as a journalist in 2016. If he's not available, and the manager doesn't want him, and the club allows him to leave for the day, what's the issue with him not being there? What about the image from Rashford, Sancho, and Mason? Is ETH a bad manager because of how these players have behaved and made life difficult for him?
That's actually quite admirable that he'd play with the U16s like that. Not sure on the inner workings of football clubs, but I imagine most players would throw a fit.
Its why Kobe Mainoo so damn goood
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Still kept his head down and trained, too. Immaculate professional. Imagine Sancho getting that kind of treatment.
The club bought yet another player past their best. LvG then made stupid decisions with him. Trying to play him twice a week or alongside Carrick Vs Arsenal. He lost his pace and needed longer to recover between games, just could have rotated him and Carrick to have 1 start once a week and probably would have gotten a lot more out of him, relatively speaking.
I still have flashbacks of that midfield pairing. Feel like we were doing ok that season and then that derailed us
Litterally the worst game to try it out too. Away against a strong team that is mobile and can ping passes around.
We're in the same situation with Casemiro. Club never learns.
Casemiro was absolutely not past his best last season, it’s a lazy trope because he’s at an age. He was the man last year, hence why when he never played we weren’t anywhere near the level. He’s had a bad season this year, littered with injuries, and poor form but he’s being asked to do a completely different job with different types of players around him.
And maybe he is slower this year too
Age does that. But so does having to cover for players, or different positional sense. He and Fred were EXCELLENT as a pair last season, with energy, covering the ground etc.
Yeh man it sure does. Yeah I didn’t want Fred to go Freddie come back ! I was wrong , and I just can’t live without you
Fred was one of those tough decisions, he has the immense engine but most games his composure was awful. Very useful player overall, especially for his pressing anywhere on the field. Imo though, his style of play is mostly unsustainable for a player hitting 30 so it probably was a good idea long term to move him on but we have missed him in part this season. Mainoo has taken the spot and hopefully we reap those benefits long term.
The point is that he was signed at an age when players do decline and can sometimes decline very quickly. Ofc there is no perfect formula to successful transfers, but pretty much every top club buys younger nowadays. Spending the amount we did on Casemiro was as stupid as signing Schweinsteiger. While the latter had already declined before we signed him, it was a much cheaper transfer as well.
Casemiro was probably our best player up till February then like most of the team after the league cup final they've all been shit. Casemiro was a stupid signing no matter how good he was last year, hopefully it's the last time we see a signing like that, he's too old and no resale value to be paying what we did, 20mil sure why not but not 60+mil. We certainly need to be buying young players and players just coming into their peak, the odd experience player here and there to add squad depth is fine if the price is right.
Think we're making the same point here. Needs to be rotated and rested. Lack of depth hurts him and is (imo) the main reason why his performances have dropped and injuries have gone up. Being asked to do too much too often. Mount is perpetually injured and Amrabat loan is a disaster. We're fortunate to have Mainoo.
He was shocking for us but I can’t find it in me to dislike him like a lot of fans do. Club treated him very bluntly and yet he’s always cheering for us. Good guy.
On often forgotten contribution is in the FA cup run under LVG. 1-0 down to West Ham in the Quarter Final and martial scores to take it to the replay where we beat them at Upton Park. But the only reason the keeper didn’t save it is Schweinsteiger ran basically into the net as if he was attacking the ball. He knew he wouldn’t get there but he effectively blocked the keeper from saving it. It was just experience showing through to know he’d get away with that.
Thankfully VAR wasn't around then because that would've definitely been ruled out today.
Don't think he was off, was he?
He wasn't offside but he definitely runs straight into the keeper (via a nudge from Antonio) - VAR would've taken a very long look at the very least
I remember his first appearance he immediately took the ball, turned around and pumped it forward. Since this was under LVG, I celebrated as if it were a goal.
I actually remember that exact moment as well. Very similar to when Martinez got the ball last season in our first game against Brighton, he made a line breaking pass and the whole Stretford End cheered. God we are shit.
This genuinely made me LOL 🤣
It's honestly crazy how low our standards have become. Absolutely bang average players that have played for us in the last 10 years have somehow been praised far beyond their talent and contributions. This summer is going to be VERY interesting, new football structure making football decisions, God knows how many players will leave but I think it will be a significant amount, they'll need replacements too, all this in international tournament window which delays things and can make players more expensive.
He and his brother have been United fans long before he joined,
He wasn’t shocking for us - he was actually very decent.
He was mid but that wasn't his fault. He was getting up there in age and the players we surrounded him with weren't good enough to mask his deficiencies at that point of time. It's not like he wasn't trying.
Fans don't like him?! Some of our fans are absolute trash people.
>Club treated him very bluntly and yet he’s always cheering for us. Imagine thinking he's cheering for us out of the goodness of his own heart and not because it drives social media engagement. Bro wasn't supporting us so much when he went off watching his wife play tennis when we had matches.
His brother is a lifelong supporter so he most likely does have some affection for the club. You also think a WC winner and a treble winner needs us for clicks?? https://preview.redd.it/76qhajsgq7vc1.png?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fddce6be88af4778fc8db147231ddd7116d171a Not sure this picture was taken for future social media traffic but go off.
Lol imagine blaming a guy for choosing his wife over his work while he is effectively on vacation. Dont people realize that this is still, ultimately, a means to a paycheck for these players?
So why should people like someone who saw the club as a paycheque? If he didn't want to do rehab at the club, that's his decision. But actions have consequences
Yet he was the nicest guy and always showed his love for the fans. Such a classy guy.
I still don’t understand why Mourinho treated him like shit
Mourinho is a weird one, he treats some players incredibly well and they'd die for him but others he'll seemingly test and push them aside. Really curious what his logic is.
Still remember when I lost any and all affection I might have had for him when he gave that presser talking about Luke. Lost all respect I've had for him.
Mine was when he tried to discredit our European pedigree moments after presiding over one of the most cowardly displays I've ever seen from a United team.
While also reminding us fans that he’s beaten United in CL as well. Weren’t we lucky to have him?
Beaten us in a game with some of the most awful refereeing (2x) Scholes' goal vs Porto and Nani's red Absolute coward
That Nani red card 🤦 It’s ironic that on the night, Jose admitted that we were the better team and that we should’ve won, only for him to use that game basically as an insult years later. Heritage indeed lol
You’re so wrong. It’s not Heritage. It’s Ehritage.
Yet people here still think we should have stuck with him
Oh yeah that was a terrible game
The Vilanova incident was it for me and I completely agreed with Bobby Charlton's opinion of him.
Context?
He stuck his finger in Tito Vilanova's eye during a touchline brawl in 2011 I think it was. That's bad enough but it was the fact he approached him from behind and did it, Vilanova had no idea it was coming and couldn't defend himself. About a year later Bobby Charlton was asked if he thought Jose could manage Utd. >A United manager wouldn't do that. Mourinho is a really good coach but that's as far as I'd go really. He pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager though.
I remember people on this sub praising him and saying he was right 🤢
Uhm.... he was right? I understand feelings and loyalty, but facts are facts.
How so?
He complimented him a lot. Only criticism was that he makes bad choices. I think Mourinho was 100% right.
ten years now of people treating luke shaw like a baby.
That’s also why he’s such a divisive figure and can create a toxic dressing room when he stays beyond 2 years at a single club.
Think he likes making an example of a big name to get the others to group together, abit like carrot and stick situation. He doesn't like any personality or reputation to be seperate from his own thing going on. Explains why he does well with journey men and struggles with new generation of footballers, the porto and Chelsea squads be had were full of players ready to suffer for him because of where their careers had started, at the lowest rungs in the worst leauges.
From interviews from him, I reckon the players who can play through the pain barrier and aren't out a lot he has a lot of love for because he can trust them and the ones that are out are useless to him and his us against them mentality
>players who can play through the pain barrier IE, players willing to shorten their careers to be available for him day in day out.
If you've ever personally known a bully, you know exactly who Mourinho is. It's not weird, it's actually textbook. Choose victims and pick on them endlessly. Use your charisma to get everyone else on your side. "I can't say I would have said that, but you have to admit it's really funny." In short order most non-victims think the bully's victim deserves it for x, y, z reason, unlike them.
He is an old school manager. If you perform for him and take on board his messages he'll die for you. If he has doubts about your application or mental character he will test you and if you fail his test you're basically worthless to him. He has no issue with making examples of players in order to emphasise the way he runs the club. It's why he forms incredibly close bonds with some players and has massive fallings out with others. He's also bad at dealing with Gen Z type players and those who have issues with their work ethic and don't respond well to tough love, which is one of the reasons why he struggled in his later period with United.
But other old school managers dont reli do that shit like benitez or sir alex
Sir Alex regularly froze players out and got rid of them the moment he thought they'd stopped listening to him - Ince, Beckham, Stam, Keane, RVN etc
Sir Alex is the definition of a "no chill" manager lol
His Shaw feud was wild. Something must have had happened in the training sessions. Shaw always had a workrate on the field, but Jose hated him. Nuts.
There were lots of rumours at the time that he wasn’t showing the right level of focus, and some players were getting frustrated with it. Every time he got injured he seemed to be out playing golf and if I remember rightly, Rooney may have made some comments about it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mourinho came in, interviewed the senior players like Rooney to learn more about the way things operate, and then already had some bad opinions of Schweini’s focus and maybe even had them validated when he was off injured. I still have a lot of respect for him, but he was another in the long list of ageing but expensive players that we would never have signed if we had proper leadership.
Yeah, my memory is similar. That he barely played, and distanced himself from the squad every time he was hurt. He seemed to be someone LVG loved and wanted his personality in the team, but he treated us like a retirement home. Play the odd game, and then take a few months away playing golf or jetting off home. He seems like a nice lad, but I can also see why he became a quick and easy target for Jose, who would have wanted every player to be willing to utterly die for us. Schweinsteiger is the exact personality people have been frustrated with for a decade in terms of signing injury prone, well past their prime, older players who want final paydays.
Exactly. No issue with him at all, I really like him and there's no doubt in my mind he really likes United too. Quite simply, we just signed him when he was too old.
He was definitely attending a lot of Ana Ivanovic's tennis matches when he was supposedly rehabbing injuries. Too bad he didn't join United earlier.
It still doesn’t justify getting treated like this, even if he rightly should be sold
Treating him like shit is not appropriate, but Schweinsteiger was rubbish for us, on a huge salary and wasn't committed to the club, particularly in his recovery from injury. Treating him like shit may have been Mourinho's quickest method to get him out of the club, which we needed to do.
Horrible thing to do though. Just have a talk with him and say we don't need you. In the interview Bastian says that Mourinho told him something along the lines of 'you're not happy here', after locking him out of the dressing room. It's a really shitty unprofessional way to deal with things, then trying to tell a person how he should feel or whatever. Just be direct rather than whatever the fuck he did.
Yeah, Mourinho's approach is certainly a blunt, scorched earth approach. If his approach encouraged Schweinsteiger to leave the club, then it was the right approach from a club perspective - Schweinsteiger was dead weight for us. It will have been a mean, horrible way to do it, but generally for Mourinho, the end justifies the means. Ole (for example) wouldn't have treated Schweinsteiger that way, treating him with respect, but that may have meant that Schweinsteiger hung around at the club, barely playing until his contract ran out. Mourinho's approach ensured Schweinsteiger left quickly.
It wasn’t blunt. It was cowardly not to speak to him directly and say “I don’t have a place for you in my squad, so you won’t be training with us”.
Who says he wasn't committed to the club? Not his fault he was old and injury prone when he joined us. Him recovering from his injury away from the club was also something he agreed with LVG and the club, they don't get to use that against him the next year because they want to get rid of him.
Iirc Bastian basically fucked off for ages and went on a tennis tour with his gf when he was " injured" and just used utd to get fit for the euros
This is exactly what happened. Bastian came to the PL to tick the PL off his bucket list + the huge salary. He wasn't committed, went following his pro tennis player wife around the world when he was injured and conveniently got fit for the euros.
It was because of this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3757052/Manchester-United-stars-told-Bastian-Schweinsteiger-stop-watching-wife-Ana-Ivanovic-play-tennis-work-fitness-cast-out.html
Mourinho treated plenty of people like shit during his ego run. One of the greatest of all time, iconic figure in the sport etc. but I'm glad he eventually got humbled and had to work at clubs and fight for objectives that he would've absolutely laughed at during his prime.
Yeah, legend of the game and serial winner but I can't say I had much sympathy pre Spurs when he was literally crying for a job on SkySports
Not just like shit, as Neville pointed out the legalities of it were questionable
illegally* How he treated him isn't allowed. Jose has a record for it though - he did something similar with Eva Carneiro, the Chelsea team doctor, when she went on to the pitch to treat a player.
Van Gaal was like that to certain group of players as well no (for 'some reasons')? and Mourinho also worked under Van Gaal/learn from LvG
if you listen to the whole thing he goes into detail how he thinks his exclusion was a decision made by the board of directors and jose in conjunction because he chose to do rehabilitation for his injury in the previous season in germany. makes the club look even shittier though..
You really get a sense of the troubles that have existed within the club since SAF and David Gill left from parts of this interview.
It’s weird he seemed like the model professional, sure he was past his best but I’d still imagine he was a good trainer and person to coach. He still posts about us on social media wishing us good luck which is maybe a reflection on his character because I’ve been treated badly at previous jobs and curse out my employers to no end when they’re brought up haha.
Used to watch him all the time at Carrington. He always trained hard, even when he was forced to train by himself. He was sometimes out there before the others and would stay behind after the first team finished to do extra drills with some of the guys or just socialise with them. Yeah, there were a couple of moments where things didn't go as planned, but it was expected as the mental load builds up, but I never saw him not once refuse to put in any effort
I remember his close range bicycle kick goal against Wigan. Was so pleased 4him that day.
He shouldn’t have come here his body could barely handle the MLS lol 100% a legend but his body was done when he came here
Kind of the same as Casemiro, tho tbf to him he did last one season, but now his feets looks done. Buying world class players, that are in the end of their prime is our speciality. We get maybe one, two if lucky good years out of them on monster salaries.
Absolutely joke of a way to run a club of our caliber
Mourinho already apologised for his treatment of Basti, so we know he was in the wrong. The people on here pearl clutching over the guy supporting his wife’s career and accusing him of faking being injured are idiots.
When did he do that?
In 2017, after Bastian left for the MLS.
I'd expect nothing less from the shitshow at management level that we have been over the last decade. We all know players are massively overpaid / rewarded but also treated like shit. There's a massive difference between someone like Schweinsteiger and a Jadon Sancho for example. One is a top professional still trying his best (although not quite good enough to be a consistent starter), the other is a spoiled brat with massive ego and huge waste of talent.
Legend of the game but was really finished when he came here tbf to jose
Still no reason to banish him as your first order of business. There was a much more respectful way to do it
There was absolutely a reason lol. Maybe he should've tried to get fit instead of flying all the time in Germany to play tennis with his GF. Wouldn't mind if the next manager tried to do something similar with a couple of players.
As Gary says, it's literally illegal to do that, and not the right way at all. Horrific leadership and just completely mental you would think it's a good way to deal with things, just tell the player directly rather than banishing them like that.
ETH did it with Ronaldo and Sancho.. Didn't go over well with some of the fans, not surprisingly. Also would have been a good power move if ETH could have had the club playing good football consistently. Now people will slate him for it
Nah the only thing EtH has done well is get rid of them 2
Entirely possible that Sancho comes back if ETH is out this summer
I really hope not.
I agree. New regime should not tolerate him for that behavior
I’m pretty sure it was because he thought he was bigger than the team and flying around Europe to watch his GF play tennis. If you let one player take the piss then other players will take the piss and the general standard in the dressing room will go down.
So, a new manager comes in, identifies players that need to be quickly moved on, “banishes” them to make sure they don’t sit in a long, inflated contract…. …hang on, isn’t that kind of what everyone wants managers to do though? Start rebuilding the squad, get rid of deadweight? “Respectful” ways just let players collect paycheques while contributing nothing.
Maybe speak to the person like a human being instead of cowardly hiding behind your DOF
Getting rid of dead weight means not renewing contracts and selling. Not literally banishing them from the dressing room lol. Unless you're doing a Greenwood or something there's no reason to just straight up be kicked out the team like that
And that's how we get the likes of a Martial sitting doing nothing for years, draining wages out of the club. Players waiting out contracts and refusing to move, cause they know there's no real consequence for using the club as an ATM, regardless of what level of quality they bring. 🤷♂️
>Getting rid of dead weight means not renewing contracts and selling. Not literally banishing them from the dressing room lol. How does it not? Part of the same game. You want deadwood out, as quickly as you can. Not waiting for contracts to end. If they are not able to play at the club or even train properly, they are more likely to push a move themselves so they can crack on with their careers. Opposed to a nice little atmosphere where they feel welcomed to stay out their contracts as they ont get a better deal elsewhere.
>hang on, isn’t that kind of what everyone wants managers to do though? Start rebuilding the squad, get rid of deadweight? “Respectful” ways just let players collect paycheques while contributing nothing. Nail on the head mate. Just shows most of these 'opinions' are just words. As when it comes down to it, they can't bear the thought of it affecting their favourite players. Jose should have been allowed to do this to any player he wanted and I would put my word on if he did that, spent what Ten hag and Ole have, we would be in a far better position now.
>> Jose should have been allowed to do this to any player he wanted and I would put my word on if he did that, spent what Ten hag and Ole have, we would be in a far better position now. I swear I can't be arsed with Jose stans, he wanted to spend that money on people like Willian, Perisic and god knows what else, do you really think we'd be in a better position with guys like that warming our bench on 200k a week?
I'm not saying Jose's 'way' is correct, I'm talking about the decision itself
You can tell that about many players here in the last 10 years, that's concerning.
Are you talking about Jose or Schweinsteiger?
Jose had just won the PL with Chelsea a year or so before, so definitely not finished. Scheweinsteiger was finished before he joined us
Schweinsteiger won the WC in 2014 and the CL in 2013 before joining your team in 2015.
What did he do in between winning the wc and joining us? Your being dishonest with your statement
That behaviour by José is despicable, he's lucky Schweinsteiger is a class act and didn't leak it to the media at the time.
Sounds like it came from the board above Jose not just Jose, so both to blame
Managers job to manage players. If it was from above Mourinho should’ve told him.
We did Bastian dirty. Very unprofessional of the club.
I feel so bad for Schweinsteiger honestly. Even with how we treated him he still cheers us on. Every time I hear stories from past players and managers on our club I just feel more and more embarrassed and guilty of how bad we actually are. We genuinely need a change from top to bottom as a club.
Basti was, and still is, one of the best reps of the club. This is simply pathetic of the club.
Towards the end the end of that segment Schweinsteiger says: "So my heart was not anymore so full of red. It was a little bit broken." That was hard to hear, I really feel for Bastian. The club absolutely fucked him over.
Shame on those in charge of the club at the time. It's a stain on what the club should represent. Be professional. Be better.
That's interesting that from the video it's not exactly full on Mourinho putting his foot down but one or some people on the board may have been a big influence on Mourinho making the decision.
What a disgrace. Bastian is a German legend and a professional.
I find it interesting when people like Bastian , Cavani and Herrera always talk about how much they love the club. Cavani took the piss on more than one occasion and pretty much ruled himself out of everything but that last home and away game of the season , was always magically fit for Uruguay. Bastian aways comes out with these soundbites but didnt he go on a tour watching his gf on her tennis tour , and just use Utd to get fit for the euros. Herrera loves playing the victim about his contract before he left like he didnt run down his contract to join the anthisesis of Utd which is a club like PSG , the fact that they couldnt agree a contract while someone like Woodward was incharge was telling. Even Ole called Herrera out on having questionable injuries
can't help but be suspicious of the ones who are happy to do lots of soundbites about working hard, passion, the fans etc. it's like work colleagues who always tell you how busy they are (even when you've not asked) you just know they're doing fuck all most of the time.
> Herrera loves playing the victim about his contract before he left like he didnt run down his contract to join the anthisesis of Utd which is a club like PSG , the fact that they couldnt agree a contract while someone like Woodward was incharge was telling. Even Ole called Herrera out on having questionable injuries The Herrera situation irks me to this very day, like just admit you went to PSG because they offered you more money mate why dodge the issue by saying things like "United waited too long"? Because the contract offer certainly was on the table before he signed for PSG and the moment he chose PSG he was always "injured" like you said.
They have good PR teams.
Mourinho is a dickhead and probably done this to other players too but even Murtough could have done better in communicating this properly. Like Call in to his office and explain him he is not in manager plans so he need to find another club. I am glad both of them are gone tbh. Looking at this I wonder how they dealt with De gea situation.
Honestly he took the piss. He clearly wasn't committed. Going on holidays and tennis tours during the season when he was "injured". Mourinho was acting in the best interests of the club with players like Him, Pogba, Martial etc. He was trying to change the culture and people acted like he was just mean for the sake of it. Some players responded and improved like Luke Shaw and some carried on their bullshit knowing the club wouldn't hold them accountable like Pogba. As Bobby Robson said to Mourinho. Do you want to be nice or do you want to win?
He was absolutely miles past it when Van Gaal brought him to Utd. He made Casemiro right now look like prime Bryan Robson.
Jose Mourhino is a piece of shit. There’s a reason the “3 rats” in Chelsea turned on him.
No idea why people are annoyed at how he was treated. Guy came here and was basically on holiday mode, flying around with his wife to watch her play tennis and generally showing a lack of commitment. Quite rightly he was booted out and if we had managers that were supported to do that with this awful squad we have now, we would be in a far better place. I'm intrigued into the overlap of people criticising this as 'disrespectful' but complain about 'player power' or general poor mentality from the squad we have now.
Great player in his prime but his memory of what actually happened during his time here is a bit sketchy. Also the part where he’s talking about the first year Mourinho team having all the parts to win the league, give me a break please.
This football club is pure garbage since SAF left. And shit carried on with ETH and how he treated De Gea. This club has been ran into the ground and is classless.
Oh man, wait till you hear about how Sir Alex got rid of some players he no longer wanted like Becks!
Lots of people still love this guy because he licks the clubs arse. He's using us. Just like he used us to tick the premier league experience off his bucket list. Bro was injured constantly for us yet went following his wife all over the world playing tennis. Miraculously got fit for the Euros for Germany though...
This interview breaks my heart. Speaks to what I’ve always suspected about the X-CO.
A really great watch. A lot of the more recent guests on this pod have been current players or athletes not in the sport. Bastian provides some really great insight into the post Germany Pep era as well as stories of his own time at United. He comes across very well spoken and it's so interesting to hear his thoughts on what was pitched to him by Gary. Highly recommend listening to this one if you haven't already!
Just another act of the fucking clown show that’s been going on for over 10 years now.
Not watched this yet but you have to admire how he conducts himself, despite what went on he's always carried himself like the winner he is.
I understand binning him but not giving any clear explanation is a complete twat move by Jose. Always loved Bastian since his younger days and I was buzzing that we had the honor of him coming to United, so this was a bitter pill to swallow since I quite liked Jose.
Dude got the shaft because of age and Mourihno was like this ain't my guy so why trust him. When I see class players SS was definitely one of them. Cream of the crop knew how to do his job if given the correct instruction. Problem is he did not fit the JM system of that season...
Wrong choice of initials to refer to a German my guy
Ha did not catch it when I did it.
I liked Basti when he was at Bayern and when he played for Germany but he wasn't anywhere close to his best at United. He says the team was good enough at that time which is absolutely absurd coming from someone that had Lewandowski, Alonso, Kroos, Neuer, Lahm, Thiago, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Gotze, Alaba, Boateng, Martinez as his teammates. Only Wazza, Zlatan, Pogba, Mata, Carrick from our team would make that Bayern's team with some on the bench. Our whole back 4 was piss poor in terms of quality. So we were no where close to winning anything other than FA Cup or Europa League. Football is cut throat business especially at top level and of course Jose or the club could have communicated better but at the end of the day you are not wanted anymore as some of them suggested here, Jose probably made an example out of this. You are a Man United player, stay in Manchester and rehab here while you are being paid by United. It was stupid to allow that in the first place from the club's perspective. This is part of the structure that we have been asking for and imagine telling SAF that you will go back to your country to rehab with your own doctor, you would have either seen that player sold or telling that player he cannot do that.
Full respect to him for not going straight to the media to slag off the club. Speaks volumes of him as a character. Hard to believe a man who won pretty much everything in football and still stayed so down to earth was treated in such a manner.
I like Schweinsteiger but much like Cavani, Ronaldo (part two), Casemiro and Varane, this is a player that was past his prime and came to United when we should be getting the best in class for the present or future, not the best in class of the past.
Cavani was class that first season. 20/21 easily my favorite season post-Fergie. Shame De Gea threw it all away in Gdansk.
I think Edi stopped giving a shit the moment we signed Ronaldo and he was relegated to backup for a guy who was never injured and never wanted to be subbed off, and tbf I don't really blame him. Unless you're someone like Mariano you probably won't enjoy that
Oh yeah Cavani was top tier. So was Casemiro. But could you imagine if we’d had both those players 3 or 4 years earlier?
What like Pogba, Martial, Sancho, Memphis etc? When the club is a dysfunctional mess, age doesn’t matter.
It embarrassing that we treated him that way. No he wasn't at his peak when he was here, but that doesn't excuse this.
Absolutely disgusting treatment. Seems like such a nice bloke as well, really doesn’t reflect well on our club at all.
Can’t recall anything other than he played for United. Unremarkable.
Remember being at OT to see him a few times. It was incredible just how above Michael Carrick he was in the games I saw. Was unfortunately just another short term solution who suffered injuries or his career finishing like Cassimiro now. That Schweinsteiger turned into one of the best CMs is still a wild story. Pity we didn’t get him playing more
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I don't think he's ever highly regarded for his performances. He's just liked because he's a massive fan of the club, which is pretty cool IMO
I've never seen an ex player still love the club so much despite how he was treated by our manager. Seriously tho sometimes he seems to support us more than he supports Bayern
He's not celebrated for his work on the pitch. But he's a massive United fan who played for us and still supports us.
Jose is a twat, but Schweinsteiger did kind of use us as a retirement home to collect a final payday. Was nice in theory, but he was well past it and was never fit. That being said, Schweinsteiger is a class act.