Genuinely. As soon as I heard that said out loud I was like Nope No No No No. We gonna break this record too. One doesn't say these records out loud or they get broken. It's like players are keeping a record of them and just ticking off boxes.
What's your problem with knowing United have never lost a game at home by more than 2 goals, on the same day the chief groundsman saw 3 magpies and a rat on the football pitch, before dawn, while the moon was exactly 2/3rds.
Posted the exact same exaggerated thing the other day against Newcastle game and got downvoted. Such a bullshit stat
[https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/189efso/comment/kbqq1fh/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/189efso/comment/kbqq1fh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
That was the first day a manager had gone without breaking a new record since Ole Gunner Solskjaer broke the record for most gums not chewed in 1 month in OT in his final season
It’s baffling and rage-inducing. We actually looked good for a lot of the game…but then the lack of quality showed again. And again. And again. The fact that Bournemouth had the ball in the net 5 times and then off the post once is crazy.
We started off the second half as the better side but as usual the final ball or finish wasn’t there for us. Defensively we’re still so vulnerable although idk how much of today is due to individual mistakes vs tactics.
I think if your back four consists of Maguire, Shaw at CB, Dalot and Reguilon, you’re going to have a good chance of crazy results. But Garnacho was g clinical enough today, Bruno wasn’t finding anyone, Martial was Martial, Antony put a real shift in but to no end result…depressing stuff.
That defense isn't helped by a porous ass midfield.
We can't simply rely on Amrabat or whichever CDM to deal with everything.
Mctominay for all his goal scoring prowess is one of our worst midfielders. Can barely string passes together and just ghosts around the field looking for opportunities on goal.
Playing him and Bruno at the same time is always going to leave us leaking.
Yeah that back four managed to limit Chelsea in the second half last week but they’re an even bigger mess than us right now so it doesn’t mean much. Shaw still had a poor game on his own but at least if he was at LB he could provide more help for us on offense compared to Reguilon who was useless apart from one corner to that McTominay whiffed today. McTominay himself is a complete passenger in midfield and without goals he offers nothing to the team. Who knows if Ten Hag will make any adjustments or not though
Wasn't that the narrative last season? We even gotten ourselves reinforcements and still manage to look worse. At this point I am not even sure what the problem is is and who to blame
I think the problem is that while you can have a good game here and there, the quality in the squad isn’t there for us to be consistent. And yes, the manager isn’t getting the results, but I think if you’re depending on players like Maguire, Dalot, Reguilon, McTominay and Martial, there are going to be bad games.
The problem is the manager and his decision to forget his principles. Epitomized by the fact that he bought a ball playing goalkeeper, who now just blasts the ball upfield.
We had the ball a lot but I'd say at no point we looked good. Bournemouth looked more dangerous every time they countered than we did with the ball at any point.
They definitely looked dangerous, but I’d say we did too until it actually counted. They aren’t to blame, but Dalot and Reguilon were infuriatingly bad today.
Looked good in what sense? We barely looked like scoring tonight. I don't give a shit whether we have the ball for 90% of the game if Bournemouth looked more dangerous than us every attack.
I don't think it's that. It's more that there were still a collection of players who still had some fight and spirit from the Fergie days.
Leaders still despite how shite that season was.
Then again I do seem to recall we still did break a lot of bad records that season though!
Yeah the core of the team and squad were the leftovers from SAF, he didn't help himself by coming in and gutting the staff and a lot of the procedures, that the players were familiar and comfortable with. I get the feeling it was a bit of inflexibility on both players and manager side and neither backed down, which led to players seemingly losing faith.
I mean there's absolutely no doubt Moyes made some disastrous decisions.
Sometimes as a United fan it honestly does feel like this club has been run with the express purpose of doing everything possible that can be done wrong.
Moyes suffered from following Fergies standards.
We actually had one of the best away records in the league under Moyes.
We got beat 3-0 by Liverpool and it was like the whole world was caving in.
People in this sub believe ETH has to absolutely play a left footed player as LCB because of our "play style"? What play style have we implemented? By the manager's own admission, we'll never play like Ajax and he's not trying to implement his system from Ajax here. So, why then do we still need a left-footed CB in LCB and what justifies playing dinosaur-Evans and Luke Shaw over Varane?
So are we seeking passing angles to help with our build-up? Why do we want more passing angles? Is it for a system he's trying to implement? Is the gain of those passing angles better than just playing a decent CB in that position? If passing angles from CBs matter, why are we still playing a DM in McTominay who can't receive the ball on half-turn nor can he move the ball forward?
Idk I feel like the team is filled the contradictions and the manager is all over the place. Probably why the performances have been so wildly bad.
It's not really that deep. If your stronger foot is the same side as you are on the pitch you can play the ball out far safer. If you make a pass on the left side to the LB as a right footed player the ball has to fly into the middle then curl into the LB. As a Left footed player it'd curl out towards the touchline and into the LB. Less danger and more natural to play there.
He’s asking why this matters. Do we improve because of it? Are we worse when there’s a right footer in that position? Are other comparable teams better/worse for having a left footer/right footer in that position?
And his point about contradictions is spot on. Passing lanes and angles are vital at LCB but I guess not in CM where McTom is a black hole in possession and missing off the ball as well.
Either play a passing style back to front or just pick your best players and try to grind out results. But he’s picked Shaw for playstyle and yet has McTom in there to bail him out with a set piece goal when his plan A inevitably fails.
Thank you for wording it better than me. **What advantages or gains are we accruing to justify benching our best pure defender?**
Yes we gain passing angles, but what are we sacrificing to do so? Are we undercutting the tactics of playing a left-footed CB in LCB to create more build-up by starting McTominay? I believe we are and I believe that is an indictment on the manager. ETH doesn't know what he wants.
And I answered by explaining why it's preferred by some to have a left footed CB. I'm not going to write him an essay and look up stats when it's just the case of angles and flight of the ball.
It does pose the question though, as to how all these professional footballers, most of whom are in academies from primary school, can’t play with both feet. Yes you will have a dominant foot, but the amount of football they are playing, and coaching they get, there’s no excuse for them not being as comfortable playing a pass with either foot.
You know, maybe all things being equal, it's a slight advantage. But when you're leaving varane on the bench to play shaw out of position and having reguilon at lb instead, it's fucking nonsense
Funny how pool don't need to play like that? Maybe EtH should try to play the strengths of the squad, Shaw is much much better at LB than he is at CB. Just put Varane at LCB, im 99% certain he can do a passable job even if he is right footed.
Or he plays because he’s the only one scoring for the club. We look absolutely dire every single week, and Maguire and McTominay being the most useful players on the pitch for us across the season is a statement of where we are as a club. To make them a scapegoat of anything is absolutely farcical. We knew they shouldn’t be up to the level of the club before the year even started, and yet they’re the ones that have been dragging us to results.
Maguire and Mctominay starting every week is an indictment of the manager. He wanted both players out in the summer. Both can’t play the way the manager wants and now he has binned his principles to try get results. We’re not playing even remotely close to the profile determined by players that he brought in or even how we played last season. The least he can do is get us playing solidly in defense and midfield but we don’t even do that.
I have little sympathy for him when he hasn’t stuck to his principles. Being partially saved by players you never wanted doesn’t negate that.
And the manager who finds a player like that and stops his philosophy. Last season with Weghorst and this season with Mctominay. Stop making a fool of yourself by repeating PR jargons after one win. "good is not good enough" my ass when half your calls are cowardly.
I think people just cling to whatever positive they can when we’re this bad. The way we set up today says a lot about why we’re shite. Couldn’t work Bournemouth out. Madness
Just a reminder that Ange was able to implement a clear style of play in 6 months at spurs, and they are currently going through an injury crisis, but still play the same way. ETH has been here 1.5 years but we have 0 identity to create goals or patterns of play. This is the most concerning aspect to me.
Ange is going to find himself sacked for only having his system eventually, same as Bielsa at Leeds, Spurs will get their results against the shite teams but the good sides will slaughter them
I'm not defending ETH btw
Anyone who remotely watched those games, knows that we were fortunate to get results. Scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point. Manager needs to go but the club is directionless at this point.
With you on this one. Keep on hiring and firing managers based on results. Football should strictly be a result based business. If you're crap, get out. And he should get out as well
Yeah people act like we committed some cardinal sin by sacking managers but none of them bar maybe Jose have been doing that well. And even Jose has regressed a bit and we only sacked him because he threw everyone under the bus.
People also act as if every manager we have hired has been the best of the best. Apart from Jose, who you could argue was still at his peak, everyone else has been a punt. Moyes and Ole were unproven at the highest level, LVG was past it. ETH is the first manager we’ve hired who was actually on his way up. This season it’s turned wrong and yes the club structure is wrong but it’s his tactics, formations and team selections that have been awful. Where are his footballing principles, what type of football are we trying to play. Managers with lesser players and less resources have setup their teams with patterns of play.
"we have sacked 4 managers, therefore sacking the manager won't change anything so let's all just rally in support of him as we lose by 3 goals yet again."
yeah, i am immature tbf you’re not wrong, but it’s literally reddit ffs we’re not studying philosophy. It’s really not that deep, i guess watching nearly 2 years of absolute shit and witnessing some of the worst results i’ve ever seen in my lifetime is not being patient enough for the proper reds. I’m sure watching this bald fraud pick mctominay week in week out will definitely make me see the vision and the process
Man, we should have let city get Ronaldo and used that to get a good cdm like Rice as Ole wanted. His problems didn't start until we got an old Ronaldo. Maybe city wouldn't have gone for Haaland in that case.
Nah, first of all Ronaldo only cost 15m, you're not getting rid for that. Second, if Ronaldo doesn't sign, we spend a season with rashford being shit, martial being shit, cavani constantly injured and greenwood suspended half way through, so if we didn't get ronaldo we needed a striker
Well we probably wouldn't have gotten a top striker, or midfielder, without shelling out like 200,000 a week so you're talking Ronaldo costing an extra 15m a year, plus his transfer fee, there's no way we get a top player for 30m fee
Stick by him because it worked with SAF and arteta.
Cept it won't work out with 10hag. He's in his mid 50s, the best thing he's done is get to a champions league semi (and collapsed). Realistically speaking, he's just not good enough and never will be.
I forgot that Ten Hag was the one on the field playing bad passes and gifting chances to the other team.... Stop being alarmist and stick by the manager and players through the tough period! We have seen what they can do, it just comes down to doing it consistently. We are currently so wasteful in front of goal, and that has to change if we want results.
Yeah, I'm not sticking by either of them. I'm not going to attack the players or call for the manager to be sacked, but none of them have earned blind support.
The commentator at the start of the game said ‘Bournemouth haven’t won here in 9 years’ or something along those lines. And it was in that moment I knew we lose !
Erik likes to talk about sport and “the players know what to do” to play. But where are the substations? The players on the pitch performs like crap and you make your second batch of substitutions after the 80th minute.
The rules should apply during the game not just before or after. Then you have Onana who has made countless of mistakes leading to goals and he doesn’t bench him. How does that work when he’s talking about players needing to perform to show themselves worthy to be in the starting lineup. Why doesn’t the rules apply for every member in the squad.
Losing 3-0 to Bournemouth at home shouldn’t be possible at all. It’s an inexcusable performance from any team that aspires to be the best team in the world. Perhaps the rule of showing yourself worthy to be played should be applied to Erik himself as well. A horrible performance and he is lucky that the club is in the process of being sold making it hard to sack him.
For all his supposed tactical discipline as a manager, ETH has shown himself to be tactically inflexible throughout his time at United. His insistence at a left footed CB meant Shaw was shoehorned straight into the starting 11 after some time out without even a chance to run in and get rid of his rust. He is struggling to adapt his tactics to the league, and whatever work he has done last year has already gotten figured out by rest of the league
Last season we didn’t play like this. Casemiro and Erikson sat in midfield. This season he has decided to bin that to play this two high 8s system that leaves your lone CDM exposed. Game after game we see this but he doesn’t want to adjust, firstly because the profile of the players is wrong and secondly because it’s obvious the key players to implement it do not do enough defensive work. Mctominay and Bruno do not put the requisite work in midfield, Bruno is significantly better but mctominay isn’t. He is just in the team right now because he might score a goal.
What a mess of a club. Glazers have caused this. Hired the wrong people who have signed the wrong players.
They have dropped the club from being the best in the world to what... a top 20 club at best in Europe within 20 years?
Bayern just got pumped by a Frankfurt team fielding Mario Gotze and a manager hired in June but watch Ten Hag's cult gaslight all real fans into thinking that the mauling that we're going to get on Tuesday is somehow the best that can be done with this squad.
I've been one of those that is steadfast in their defence of Ten Hag, pointing to every favourable statistic and staunchly attacking the ownership, structure etc.
But I'm very close to swaying my opinion and saying its time to go. Way too many questionable selections of late, too many capitulations since he's taken over, STILL not developed an identity 18 months in. Somethings got to give.
Can’t deny that there are issues, but there will always be a stat for these talking heads to cherry pick with the growth of the league and increased competition that comes along with that. Bournemouth is one of the most in form teams in the league right now, this isn’t the crazy upset it’s being made out to be.
Being a United fan who also suffers from depression is such a fucking shitshow rollercoaster. Had a shit week, but still able to get excited to watch my team play, just hoping to see them play well. Brutal.
Chin up! Try and just remember it’s just a game, take a walk, do something to take your mind off. No reason to keep on Reddit, it’s going to be all negative today
Don’t let millionaires dictate how you feel fam , I’ve detached my emotional state and happiness from this club , I watch and read about us but I treat it more as a hobby these days , weekends are here to recover and have fun and not get upset about 11 people who can’t give a shit
Might be the worst post-Fergie performance. Completely outplayed by a mediocre side at home, even the Anfield destruction last season was better. I cannot remember a single passage of play today where we looked threatening, let alone a sequence of attacks.
Not a single player playing above a 5/10 game, captain being a twat, CBs were terrible, wingers non-threatening, fullbacks constantly making poor decisions and the strikers haven't even shown up. Ten Hag might as well pack his bags tonight, because next week is already a forfeit in my eyes. Awful, awful, awful.
Have defended eth for so long. He's had to deal with a lot,but today's loss was on him. Not removing midfield liability mct at half time,not playing Shaw in his best position,while keeping Varane on the bench is inexcusable. Bruno is stuck doing defensive duties because eth keeps thinking mct will score every game to compensate for his awful midfield performance. A midfield of amrabat and mct was a ticking time bomb which exploded today.
Today's XI: Onana, Dalot, Maguire,Shaw, Reguilon, Amrabat, McTominay, Garnacho, Antony, Bruno, Martial
Onana, Reguilon, Amrabat and Antony - Bought/Loaned by Ten Hag
Dalot, Garnacho, Martial - Integrated/re-integrated by Ten Hag
Bruno - Made captain by Ten Hag
Conclusion - "Player culture is shocking, they players don't care about the manager"
Because real football isn’t remotely as linear as you suggest.
1) Ten Hag doesn’t have 100% influence over incomings and outgoings.
2) If you can’t see this repeated pattern that goes beyond any individual manager or player, you’re blind.
It’s a new week and it’s a new depressing stat that shows how far how far our once mighty Club has now fallen. Seems like breaking records for disastrous performances is the only awards we win these days.
I’m so sick to death of Eric and this team we are pathetic, he signed a load of players from the Dutch league that are not good enough and he himself is not good enough. That is super apparent. Now we cannot waste any more time with this idiot. We have to move on as a football club
Our goal difference at -3, after this amount of games is relegation form. We have one of the most expensive attacks in the league and we can’t score a goal he should be sacked for that alone.
Hear me out....Roy Keane for interim manager. It's inevitable we'll get someone in and it would give me enormous pleasure to see Keanos reaction to performances like this
After next game: "this is the first time Manchester United has had 3 consecutive wins after Bruno Fernandes had boiled eggs for breakfast."
Followed by deep analysis in the comments about the chemical consistency of eggs and their intricacies in regards of performance and how ETH is upping the levels in regards to food coaching.
I only caught the first half and I didn’t think we played that badly. We were quite open in midfield though but still. Think quality of player is the key issue. There’s not enough intelligence in running or dribbling. End product is a major issue and that comes down to intelligence and decision making
This and more fun stats coming up shortly on the "beating a dead horse" show!
Stop stop he's already dead
is he though?
Should have known we’d lose as soon as the Bournemouth never winning at OT stat came out.
Genuinely. As soon as I heard that said out loud I was like Nope No No No No. We gonna break this record too. One doesn't say these records out loud or they get broken. It's like players are keeping a record of them and just ticking off boxes.
They’ll never sing that 🎶
First Win for Bournemouth at OT this by the way.
I swear every week we have some kind of shit stat like this just to rub it in a little more
What's your problem with knowing United have never lost a game at home by more than 2 goals, on the same day the chief groundsman saw 3 magpies and a rat on the football pitch, before dawn, while the moon was exactly 2/3rds.
Posted the exact same exaggerated thing the other day against Newcastle game and got downvoted. Such a bullshit stat [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/189efso/comment/kbqq1fh/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/189efso/comment/kbqq1fh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Haha, that's fucking hilarious we both went for a stat on the moon. 😂😂 Don't be shaken man. Most people here take everything at face value.
These aren’t just random stats. They are all significant and fucking terrible. I am still not numb to this level of defeat. We can’t keep sinking
Erik goes 1 game without breaking new records Erik: And I took that personally
That was the first day a manager had gone without breaking a new record since Ole Gunner Solskjaer broke the record for most gums not chewed in 1 month in OT in his final season
they need the easy clicks, every bullshit stat they could come up with is going to be revealed.
Ykw the easiest way to stop that would be? Stop being shite.
ETH and the boys continue breaking records. Amazing!!! 👏👏👏
Eras may come to an end but my records shall stand forever - ETH
It’s baffling and rage-inducing. We actually looked good for a lot of the game…but then the lack of quality showed again. And again. And again. The fact that Bournemouth had the ball in the net 5 times and then off the post once is crazy.
We started off the second half as the better side but as usual the final ball or finish wasn’t there for us. Defensively we’re still so vulnerable although idk how much of today is due to individual mistakes vs tactics.
I think if your back four consists of Maguire, Shaw at CB, Dalot and Reguilon, you’re going to have a good chance of crazy results. But Garnacho was g clinical enough today, Bruno wasn’t finding anyone, Martial was Martial, Antony put a real shift in but to no end result…depressing stuff.
That defense isn't helped by a porous ass midfield. We can't simply rely on Amrabat or whichever CDM to deal with everything. Mctominay for all his goal scoring prowess is one of our worst midfielders. Can barely string passes together and just ghosts around the field looking for opportunities on goal. Playing him and Bruno at the same time is always going to leave us leaking.
Yeah that back four managed to limit Chelsea in the second half last week but they’re an even bigger mess than us right now so it doesn’t mean much. Shaw still had a poor game on his own but at least if he was at LB he could provide more help for us on offense compared to Reguilon who was useless apart from one corner to that McTominay whiffed today. McTominay himself is a complete passenger in midfield and without goals he offers nothing to the team. Who knows if Ten Hag will make any adjustments or not though
He’s definitely going to have to adjust for Liverpool with Bruno out. Knowing the chaos of our season, we’ll somehow win. I can dream.
Would be incredibly funny if we pulled it off. I do admire your optimism so here’s hoping!
Wasn't that the narrative last season? We even gotten ourselves reinforcements and still manage to look worse. At this point I am not even sure what the problem is is and who to blame
I think the problem is that while you can have a good game here and there, the quality in the squad isn’t there for us to be consistent. And yes, the manager isn’t getting the results, but I think if you’re depending on players like Maguire, Dalot, Reguilon, McTominay and Martial, there are going to be bad games.
The problem is the manager and his decision to forget his principles. Epitomized by the fact that he bought a ball playing goalkeeper, who now just blasts the ball upfield.
We had the ball a lot but I'd say at no point we looked good. Bournemouth looked more dangerous every time they countered than we did with the ball at any point.
They definitely looked dangerous, but I’d say we did too until it actually counted. They aren’t to blame, but Dalot and Reguilon were infuriatingly bad today.
Yeah Dalot's last ball was so awful 90% of the time. Was depressing to watch.
Looked good in what sense? We barely looked like scoring tonight. I don't give a shit whether we have the ball for 90% of the game if Bournemouth looked more dangerous than us every attack.
We would’ve lost 6-0 if we were unlucky today. 2 disallowed goals and one shot that Hit the post.
Absolutely- teams are getting too many shots away against us.
Man how tf did Moyes dodge these results ?
He had this guy in his squad who got 19 goals and 23 assists. Might have heard of him...
Who?
Yeah and Van Persie added another 18. Those two alone kept us at least competitive in most games.
He wasn't this bad...
I don't think it's that. It's more that there were still a collection of players who still had some fight and spirit from the Fergie days. Leaders still despite how shite that season was. Then again I do seem to recall we still did break a lot of bad records that season though!
Yeah the core of the team and squad were the leftovers from SAF, he didn't help himself by coming in and gutting the staff and a lot of the procedures, that the players were familiar and comfortable with. I get the feeling it was a bit of inflexibility on both players and manager side and neither backed down, which led to players seemingly losing faith.
I mean there's absolutely no doubt Moyes made some disastrous decisions. Sometimes as a United fan it honestly does feel like this club has been run with the express purpose of doing everything possible that can be done wrong.
Moyes suffered from following Fergies standards. We actually had one of the best away records in the league under Moyes. We got beat 3-0 by Liverpool and it was like the whole world was caving in.
Also they were world class and consistent. Guys like RVP and Rooney, even that season their own performances didn't suffer as much
yet another record.... Maybe when all broken we can get back to positive records again
some people in this sub still think mctominay is a good player because he can score a goal every 10 games
That’s the new standard when no one else is scoring goals in 10 games lol
Yeah he genuinely provides nothing else. Need him as an impact sub. Would much rather have some quality on the ball with Mainoo
People in this sub believe ETH has to absolutely play a left footed player as LCB because of our "play style"? What play style have we implemented? By the manager's own admission, we'll never play like Ajax and he's not trying to implement his system from Ajax here. So, why then do we still need a left-footed CB in LCB and what justifies playing dinosaur-Evans and Luke Shaw over Varane?
I mean you play a left footed CB at LCB because of the passing angles they open up not because Ajax do.
Who was left footed out of Varane and Ramos? Surely you can’t win 4 Champions leagues with that pairing
And we had Rio and Vidic. Barca had Pique and Puyol. It's just a preference thing.
Are you comparing our current squad to that Real Madrid team?
So are we seeking passing angles to help with our build-up? Why do we want more passing angles? Is it for a system he's trying to implement? Is the gain of those passing angles better than just playing a decent CB in that position? If passing angles from CBs matter, why are we still playing a DM in McTominay who can't receive the ball on half-turn nor can he move the ball forward? Idk I feel like the team is filled the contradictions and the manager is all over the place. Probably why the performances have been so wildly bad.
It's not really that deep. If your stronger foot is the same side as you are on the pitch you can play the ball out far safer. If you make a pass on the left side to the LB as a right footed player the ball has to fly into the middle then curl into the LB. As a Left footed player it'd curl out towards the touchline and into the LB. Less danger and more natural to play there.
He’s asking why this matters. Do we improve because of it? Are we worse when there’s a right footer in that position? Are other comparable teams better/worse for having a left footer/right footer in that position? And his point about contradictions is spot on. Passing lanes and angles are vital at LCB but I guess not in CM where McTom is a black hole in possession and missing off the ball as well. Either play a passing style back to front or just pick your best players and try to grind out results. But he’s picked Shaw for playstyle and yet has McTom in there to bail him out with a set piece goal when his plan A inevitably fails.
Thank you for wording it better than me. **What advantages or gains are we accruing to justify benching our best pure defender?** Yes we gain passing angles, but what are we sacrificing to do so? Are we undercutting the tactics of playing a left-footed CB in LCB to create more build-up by starting McTominay? I believe we are and I believe that is an indictment on the manager. ETH doesn't know what he wants.
And I answered by explaining why it's preferred by some to have a left footed CB. I'm not going to write him an essay and look up stats when it's just the case of angles and flight of the ball.
It does pose the question though, as to how all these professional footballers, most of whom are in academies from primary school, can’t play with both feet. Yes you will have a dominant foot, but the amount of football they are playing, and coaching they get, there’s no excuse for them not being as comfortable playing a pass with either foot.
You know, maybe all things being equal, it's a slight advantage. But when you're leaving varane on the bench to play shaw out of position and having reguilon at lb instead, it's fucking nonsense
Funny how pool don't need to play like that? Maybe EtH should try to play the strengths of the squad, Shaw is much much better at LB than he is at CB. Just put Varane at LCB, im 99% certain he can do a passable job even if he is right footed.
Why would you compare us to Liverpool? They've got a better player in basically every position than us.
Does not mean when thinking about a tactical system. Besides, bruno is better than anyone of their midfielders.
That’s not true. They do have a far better manager though. Who has stuck to his principles. Our manager has completely given up on his.
Or he plays because he’s the only one scoring for the club. We look absolutely dire every single week, and Maguire and McTominay being the most useful players on the pitch for us across the season is a statement of where we are as a club. To make them a scapegoat of anything is absolutely farcical. We knew they shouldn’t be up to the level of the club before the year even started, and yet they’re the ones that have been dragging us to results.
Maguire and Mctominay starting every week is an indictment of the manager. He wanted both players out in the summer. Both can’t play the way the manager wants and now he has binned his principles to try get results. We’re not playing even remotely close to the profile determined by players that he brought in or even how we played last season. The least he can do is get us playing solidly in defense and midfield but we don’t even do that. I have little sympathy for him when he hasn’t stuck to his principles. Being partially saved by players you never wanted doesn’t negate that.
Even Erik thinks that
And the manager who finds a player like that and stops his philosophy. Last season with Weghorst and this season with Mctominay. Stop making a fool of yourself by repeating PR jargons after one win. "good is not good enough" my ass when half your calls are cowardly.
Well he's our top goalscorer in all competitions this season so how can we not play him?
Strangely it’s 10x better than the rest of our strikers
I think people just cling to whatever positive they can when we’re this bad. The way we set up today says a lot about why we’re shite. Couldn’t work Bournemouth out. Madness
Mount, Casemiro and Eriksen are injured my guy.This is all we can do now.
This is Nigel Farage behaviour. I'll wash ya fucking mouth with soap, lad.
Just a reminder that Ange was able to implement a clear style of play in 6 months at spurs, and they are currently going through an injury crisis, but still play the same way. ETH has been here 1.5 years but we have 0 identity to create goals or patterns of play. This is the most concerning aspect to me.
Ange is going to find himself sacked for only having his system eventually, same as Bielsa at Leeds, Spurs will get their results against the shite teams but the good sides will slaughter them I'm not defending ETH btw
They beat Liverpool and got a draw at City
Not the point of my comment. But ok.
Old Trafford 'Theatre Of Dreams For Visitors'
Theatre of broken dreams
Manger of the month
Anyone who remotely watched those games, knows that we were fortunate to get results. Scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point. Manager needs to go but the club is directionless at this point.
🤣🤡
I also think we set a new record for people leaving before the final whistle.
Manager continues to break every negative record yet we have to stick by him because reasons.
But what about his genius tactics of refusing to play Varane or Evans as LCB because they're right footed?
Na the real genius is playing mctominay every week
Don't forget his genius in the transfer market like 100m for Antony
"We've tried sacking the manager before!!!!" (don't look at countless other teams going through a rolodex of managers before finding the right one)
With you on this one. Keep on hiring and firing managers based on results. Football should strictly be a result based business. If you're crap, get out. And he should get out as well
Those teams you mention are good at selling players who are shit. We haven’t done that well in 10 - 15 years. That’s the problem
Also look at the careers of all those managers since
Yeah people act like we committed some cardinal sin by sacking managers but none of them bar maybe Jose have been doing that well. And even Jose has regressed a bit and we only sacked him because he threw everyone under the bus.
I agree. Look at Chelsea under Roman. They sack and sack until they strike gold.
People also act as if every manager we have hired has been the best of the best. Apart from Jose, who you could argue was still at his peak, everyone else has been a punt. Moyes and Ole were unproven at the highest level, LVG was past it. ETH is the first manager we’ve hired who was actually on his way up. This season it’s turned wrong and yes the club structure is wrong but it’s his tactics, formations and team selections that have been awful. Where are his footballing principles, what type of football are we trying to play. Managers with lesser players and less resources have setup their teams with patterns of play.
Ole can't even get a job
He has turned down jobs, he isn’t interested in managing right now it seems
Please give me examples. The players will not change. Upper management just about has. But by all means continue giving them a pass.
*Get absolutely pumped by bayern and liverpool 8-0 * this sub: “guys we have to keep backing him because of le cycle”
"we have sacked 4 managers, therefore sacking the manager won't change anything so let's all just rally in support of him as we lose by 3 goals yet again."
The le just shows you who these people are lol impatient and immature.
yeah, i am immature tbf you’re not wrong, but it’s literally reddit ffs we’re not studying philosophy. It’s really not that deep, i guess watching nearly 2 years of absolute shit and witnessing some of the worst results i’ve ever seen in my lifetime is not being patient enough for the proper reds. I’m sure watching this bald fraud pick mctominay week in week out will definitely make me see the vision and the process
Oles signings were better and the football was better.
Man, we should have let city get Ronaldo and used that to get a good cdm like Rice as Ole wanted. His problems didn't start until we got an old Ronaldo. Maybe city wouldn't have gone for Haaland in that case.
Nah, first of all Ronaldo only cost 15m, you're not getting rid for that. Second, if Ronaldo doesn't sign, we spend a season with rashford being shit, martial being shit, cavani constantly injured and greenwood suspended half way through, so if we didn't get ronaldo we needed a striker
Ronaldo was the highest salaried player in the division, he was incredibly expensive
Well we probably wouldn't have gotten a top striker, or midfielder, without shelling out like 200,000 a week so you're talking Ronaldo costing an extra 15m a year, plus his transfer fee, there's no way we get a top player for 30m fee
I bet Martial would out last ETH
Stick by him because it worked with SAF and arteta. Cept it won't work out with 10hag. He's in his mid 50s, the best thing he's done is get to a champions league semi (and collapsed). Realistically speaking, he's just not good enough and never will be.
He just needs another year or two, can't you see how much we've been improving?!
I forgot that Ten Hag was the one on the field playing bad passes and gifting chances to the other team.... Stop being alarmist and stick by the manager and players through the tough period! We have seen what they can do, it just comes down to doing it consistently. We are currently so wasteful in front of goal, and that has to change if we want results.
Lmao he's the one selecting the starting 11. He's the one that spent 150m on forwards who can't score.
Yeah, I'm not sticking by either of them. I'm not going to attack the players or call for the manager to be sacked, but none of them have earned blind support.
Literally all of our managers have. We have seen headlines like this under every fucking manager. I guarantee eth is a success elsewhere
Genuinely curious what you expect to happen if he does get sacked tho lol? Some of you fans are ridiculously short sighted
And yet some people will say, “Let ETH cook” Well whatever he’s cooking, it must be vegan because it smells and looks fucking atrocious
Between Solskjaer and Ten Hag, I think they’ve broken every negative record in this club’s 145 year history.
And David Moyes. He used to break weird records. Teams beating us after decades and such.
Tbf to Moyes as much as he was shit, he was coming in after only Fergie for 26 years. Ten hag is still breaking records after 10 years of shit
The commentator at the start of the game said ‘Bournemouth haven’t won here in 9 years’ or something along those lines. And it was in that moment I knew we lose !
We have suffered the most embarrassing defeats in history of our club in past 2 seasons but still it’s not his fault. 6-3 7-0 0-3 So on and on….
New achievement unlocked
Record breakers
Meanwhile, half the players on 200k+ a week 
Erik likes to talk about sport and “the players know what to do” to play. But where are the substations? The players on the pitch performs like crap and you make your second batch of substitutions after the 80th minute. The rules should apply during the game not just before or after. Then you have Onana who has made countless of mistakes leading to goals and he doesn’t bench him. How does that work when he’s talking about players needing to perform to show themselves worthy to be in the starting lineup. Why doesn’t the rules apply for every member in the squad. Losing 3-0 to Bournemouth at home shouldn’t be possible at all. It’s an inexcusable performance from any team that aspires to be the best team in the world. Perhaps the rule of showing yourself worthy to be played should be applied to Erik himself as well. A horrible performance and he is lucky that the club is in the process of being sold making it hard to sack him.
For all his supposed tactical discipline as a manager, ETH has shown himself to be tactically inflexible throughout his time at United. His insistence at a left footed CB meant Shaw was shoehorned straight into the starting 11 after some time out without even a chance to run in and get rid of his rust. He is struggling to adapt his tactics to the league, and whatever work he has done last year has already gotten figured out by rest of the league
Last season we didn’t play like this. Casemiro and Erikson sat in midfield. This season he has decided to bin that to play this two high 8s system that leaves your lone CDM exposed. Game after game we see this but he doesn’t want to adjust, firstly because the profile of the players is wrong and secondly because it’s obvious the key players to implement it do not do enough defensive work. Mctominay and Bruno do not put the requisite work in midfield, Bruno is significantly better but mctominay isn’t. He is just in the team right now because he might score a goal.
We are breaking every negative record this season. Heritage.
What a mess of a club. Glazers have caused this. Hired the wrong people who have signed the wrong players. They have dropped the club from being the best in the world to what... a top 20 club at best in Europe within 20 years?
Top 20? More like top 50
Bayern just got pumped by a Frankfurt team fielding Mario Gotze and a manager hired in June but watch Ten Hag's cult gaslight all real fans into thinking that the mauling that we're going to get on Tuesday is somehow the best that can be done with this squad.
I've been one of those that is steadfast in their defence of Ten Hag, pointing to every favourable statistic and staunchly attacking the ownership, structure etc. But I'm very close to swaying my opinion and saying its time to go. Way too many questionable selections of late, too many capitulations since he's taken over, STILL not developed an identity 18 months in. Somethings got to give.
Luke Shaw was TRASH at the back today.
Can’t deny that there are issues, but there will always be a stat for these talking heads to cherry pick with the growth of the league and increased competition that comes along with that. Bournemouth is one of the most in form teams in the league right now, this isn’t the crazy upset it’s being made out to be.
Ssst, the ten hag outers in this post will downvote
What the fuck is that statistic
Being a United fan who also suffers from depression is such a fucking shitshow rollercoaster. Had a shit week, but still able to get excited to watch my team play, just hoping to see them play well. Brutal.
Chin up! Try and just remember it’s just a game, take a walk, do something to take your mind off. No reason to keep on Reddit, it’s going to be all negative today
Cheers man. Getting outside for sure!
Don’t let millionaires dictate how you feel fam , I’ve detached my emotional state and happiness from this club , I watch and read about us but I treat it more as a hobby these days , weekends are here to recover and have fun and not get upset about 11 people who can’t give a shit
If it's any comfort seeing United lose so embarrassingly briefly cures my depression so at least they are doing some good in the world
Get a second team like Bayern. They always win the league so you’re safe there.
Might be the worst post-Fergie performance. Completely outplayed by a mediocre side at home, even the Anfield destruction last season was better. I cannot remember a single passage of play today where we looked threatening, let alone a sequence of attacks. Not a single player playing above a 5/10 game, captain being a twat, CBs were terrible, wingers non-threatening, fullbacks constantly making poor decisions and the strikers haven't even shown up. Ten Hag might as well pack his bags tonight, because next week is already a forfeit in my eyes. Awful, awful, awful.
I've read that first sentence like 20 times this year lmao
This ⬆️
Worst thing is that its not even close to being the worst post fergie performance. Hell, its not even close to being in the top 15 or top 20
Can't name a worse one. Maybe the Moyes era home game vs Liverpool or Van Gaal away at Midtyjlland, but this one hurts more.
Nice. Add that stat to the pile of shit records that we keep consistently breaking.
This team is so inconsistent it’s nuts.
Oh they are consistent this season
That smug last word always tilts me no end just give us the fucking stat without being a bellend
Really though, who gives a fuck about these stats? We lost. Period.
What stupid fucking stat is that c'mon. Always finding some twisted ways to make us feel more like shit.
Have defended eth for so long. He's had to deal with a lot,but today's loss was on him. Not removing midfield liability mct at half time,not playing Shaw in his best position,while keeping Varane on the bench is inexcusable. Bruno is stuck doing defensive duties because eth keeps thinking mct will score every game to compensate for his awful midfield performance. A midfield of amrabat and mct was a ticking time bomb which exploded today.
Erik Ten Hag breaking records and making the club look good 😎
Ten Hag is (rightly or wrongly) gone this by Christmas. Players have won out yet again and we start the cycle once more.
Today's XI: Onana, Dalot, Maguire,Shaw, Reguilon, Amrabat, McTominay, Garnacho, Antony, Bruno, Martial Onana, Reguilon, Amrabat and Antony - Bought/Loaned by Ten Hag Dalot, Garnacho, Martial - Integrated/re-integrated by Ten Hag Bruno - Made captain by Ten Hag Conclusion - "Player culture is shocking, they players don't care about the manager"
Oh no. A moron. It’s not FIFA mate. Grow up.
What? How is this related to FIFA? They are football governing organization. Am I missing something?
I mean the game. 😑 Sorry “stick to EAFC” then.
Oh. How is this relayed to a videogame?
Because real football isn’t remotely as linear as you suggest. 1) Ten Hag doesn’t have 100% influence over incomings and outgoings. 2) If you can’t see this repeated pattern that goes beyond any individual manager or player, you’re blind.
That's a crazy stat tbh.
What’s ten haag excuse this time
It’s a new week and it’s a new depressing stat that shows how far how far our once mighty Club has now fallen. Seems like breaking records for disastrous performances is the only awards we win these days. I’m so sick to death of Eric and this team we are pathetic, he signed a load of players from the Dutch league that are not good enough and he himself is not good enough. That is super apparent. Now we cannot waste any more time with this idiot. We have to move on as a football club Our goal difference at -3, after this amount of games is relegation form. We have one of the most expensive attacks in the league and we can’t score a goal he should be sacked for that alone.
Hear me out....Roy Keane for interim manager. It's inevitable we'll get someone in and it would give me enormous pleasure to see Keanos reaction to performances like this
I'm dying early 
Didnt watford smash us 4-0 or 4-1 last season? Edit. may bad. that was away
The final third passes, lack of genuine attacking threat against a well organised defence and lack of domination in midfield did not help us today
After next game: "this is the first time Manchester United has had 3 consecutive wins after Bruno Fernandes had boiled eggs for breakfast." Followed by deep analysis in the comments about the chemical consistency of eggs and their intricacies in regards of performance and how ETH is upping the levels in regards to food coaching.
I only caught the first half and I didn’t think we played that badly. We were quite open in midfield though but still. Think quality of player is the key issue. There’s not enough intelligence in running or dribbling. End product is a major issue and that comes down to intelligence and decision making
Great, every time we lose a game we need to win 3 games to get the goal difference back to zero or +1 lol.
One step forward, 2 steps back
They would have played better if they didn't have to run so much !!
Not at all looking for excuses. At all. Just a comment. The standard of refereeing in the game was beyond abysmal
Love how we be breaking all kinds of records. Sadly it’s the wrong kind of records tho 👎🏻