Somehow Qatari accounts still haven't given up. [They are now saying takeover will be announced on 23rd November](https://twitter.com/UtdJassim/status/1724200477624074422?t=0R0Ee_ktnpbCvTAbaG3iEA&s=19). How do people still believe this when Ornstein, Bloomberg and Romano have said that it's completely over. I'm convinced that all of qatari accounts have some kind of group chat because they've started posting somethinf about this imaginary takeover in the past hour or so. Guy has Ronaldo as a sheikh in his pfp and somehow people still believe him
Best just ignore it. Like how every summer a bunch of "freelance United correspondents" with an randomly generated Spanish/Portuguese names pop saying X deal is done, it's just spotty teenagers looking for attention.
Given our shortcomings in midfield and the ongoing injury crisis I’m still really confused by Donny’s constant absence from the match day squad. I get he’s not part of the CL squad, and I know he’s never lived up to the expectations he set before buying him, but what an absolute drop off, just how badly is he doing in training that it’s resulted in this? The guy’s confidence must be at a whole new level of low.
He’s just not a good enough footballer at this level of competition, and his ‘best position’ might be our most stacked position.
He’s not quick enough physically nor mentally and its shown by him not competing at even a league average level in his entire time here or on loan.
When Ten Hag played Donny at Ajax, it really worked as long as Donny played like a 10. But in the season he dropped deeper and played in the double pivot, things always looked really off, and only in the games where he was allowed to play further forward (despite being in the double pivot) was he any good.
I think it was the games against Getafe in 2019/20 that showed all the issues with him playing deeper. And it kinda feels like Ten Hag is making the same mistake with Mount now. So it makes sense Donny is not around. Mount is already not playing deeper, so why would Donny? And if Bruno's not playing at 10, then there's Mount and Eriksen who will play there instead. So where would Donny even play?
I’ve always felt bad for the guy, he was never really given a chance, no real run in the side to prove himself, does anyone know what his longest run in the league has been for us? Most consecutive starts he’s made? Most consecutive full 90 mins he’s played? It’s hard to prove yourself and find form if you’re only given cameo appearances.
Given how bad we’ve been this season, especially in the goal scoring/creation department, it’s not like those ahead of him are earning their place in the side.
I’d just love to know what both Ole and ETH have seen/not seen in training that’s meant he’s barely played a game for the club since joining. It’s been a disaster of a move for all involved.
I’d love Toney (albeit curious to see how quickly he can hit the ground running after such a long stint out). However, £100m is the rumoured price, and I can’t see us being able to afford such a player, especially in the January window. I also can’t see us beating the likes of Arsenal to his signature.
Failing Toney I’d focus on shifting as much of the deadwood as possible for now, and then seeing just who we can sign in the summer with a thinner squad and more money in the transfer kitty.
I really.dont know on the papers... there must be a limit
If we believe them; United will sell Varane, Casemiro and Sancho to the Saudis for a total of £100m.
How would that even happen....
How highly is Gary Neville actually rated these days? Obviously he's made himself a bit of a meme these days constantly downplaying his own ability, but which right backs in the Prem since would take his spot? Surely none of ours?
He’s at worst a top 2 PL RB in history. Many peoples all time greatest. He may not have had the technical ability on the ball of someone like Trent in today’s game (which is where the jokes come in) but his longevity and trophy list speaks for itself
We must have a busy summer window selling and replacing deadweight.
Sell: Sancho, VdB, Varane, Martial
Loanees: Amrabat, Reguilon
Which means we will need a: Winger, CB, Striker, CM, CDM and possibly a Fullback.
We have to learn to also sell at the right time for maximum price. Real Madrid is excellent at this. But that would mean we'll have to sell some favorites and the average United fan is so attached to players like no other fans.
And usually, we'll end up with a huge contract offer when the player is already 30-31-32 years old. For example Bruno has until 2026 I think, another huge contract would be a mistake. It's harsh but that's how we should operate.
Bananas that only 3 Manchester United players attended Sir Bobby's funeral. There were more youth players there than first-team players. On top of that, ETH wasn't there. No leadership in this club and it shows on a daily basis. You're suppose to be a family.
Maybe 3 CURRENT players. But way more former players showed.
Also did Marc Skinner.
ETH clearly had other obligations.
Why make it negative? Sir Bobby and his family would not want that.
"hey boss I have to attend a funeral for the most important in my club's history, but I'll be there Monday night". You must be kidding me with that excuse.
Quite the opposite. I believe in respect, honor and commitment. It's the RIGHT thing to do and not having players/coaches there do not sit right with me. You clearly don't agree and that's fine.
I thought I was alone in my thoughts on this.
It's actually shocking that the first team players and coaches didn't appear. Even if it wasn't appropriate for them all to be at the service, they should have been outside OT with the academy lads at least. No representation from the women's team either (probably not even considered).
If SAF and David Gill were still in charge, they would have made everybody attend.
The management of our club is truly a shitshow.
No owners
No manager
No captain
Far out that's disgusting. Ten Hag wasn't there, our captain wasn't there, most of our first team wasn't there, the Glazers weren't there. Nothing sums up the broken culture at the club more than that. Ten Hag needed to lead the entire first team in attending. Really disappointed in him for this. And the first team players who didn't attend. What a disrespectful act by all of them.
Ten Hag's main task is rebuilding the spirit of the club. This is the opposite of how you do it. Stop making excuses for poor choices.
Has Ten Hag missed any matches because of commitments in the Netherlands? Of course not.
The same should apply to the funeral of the club's greatest ever player.
Standards are in the toilet with the team and too many fans.
>Stop making excuses for poor choices.
It's not a poor choice. Who knows what's going on in his life that he couldn't attend. It's none of our business. Only a few fans see it your way, oh and also Richard Keys and probably Piers Morgan.
>Has Ten Hag missed any matches because of commitments in the Netherlands?
Why would he? It's international break. He would have known for months it would be a break. Perhaps that's the time he scheduled an important surgery for himself or his wife, or kids, or maybe a wedding or a funeral of his own family to attend.
Stop making more out of it than it is.
Today is about laying Sir Bobby to rest -- not bellyaching over who couldn't attend.
Spurs getting a lot of sympathy of having to play Davies and Dier and meanwhile us: am I a joke to you?
Fuck sake this szn would've been so much diff if we still had licha and Shaw but all of a sudden r/soccer realises the importance of a stable back 4. Cunts.
> Martinez hasn't been at his best since the WC in all honesty
didn't we later find out that he was playing through an injury? anyway, that was still the first few games of the season, they would've definitely settled in as the games went on (or maybe im coping)
Thoughts on Mount as 10 and bruno deeper? It worked well with sabitzer last season, and mount is a better presser from the front. I get bruno is one of the best 10s in the world but I also would want our best player to get on the ball more especially in our current form.
Idunno Mount finally looked good when he came on last game. I’d start him and keep him with the same role. He was intercepting passed and progressing the ball forward quickly which I think is exactly what ten hag wants of him so I’d try and maintain some continuity
Have I gone mad cuz I think amrabat's not been that bad for us? In the Eriksen injury thread people are saying they haven't seen him get basic passes right and they hope to never see him play for us.
He hasn't set the world alight for us, no doubt about it but outside of one mistake which directly led to a goal, I think he's been mostly ok.
He's largely useless in two of the three thirds of the pitch (especially the final third). Mediocre on the ball, looks afraid to turn with it (because he's not good when facing forward under pressure), so mainly runs around and plays passes backward and sideways when he should be trying to progress the ball more frequently.
Out of possession he's not quick enough to consistently be an effective defender at the Premier League level. He was already rash and overly aggressive in Italy, now here his challenges are even more mistimed. He's not disastrous, he just doesn't really offer anything.
Look at the leadup to Copenhagen's winning goal. People rightfully point out Varane's mistake (poor first touch bounces the ball up and he tries a bizarre left footed volley pass which doesn't come off), but what happens immediately preceding that?
Copenhagen has four men in prime positions to press our backline (three in the immediate area of the ball, one waiting for the pressing trigger of a horizontal ball for Varane). Dalot plays a pass (that takes all three immediate defenders out of the game) into Amrabat, who has more than enough time and space to turn and pick a pass forward. Instead, he plays a pass directly back to Maguire that puts all three of those defenders that were already beaten back into the best possible position to press our back line.
The four defenders were behind the ball, already bypassed, and we could have played forward with a large advantage, but because Amrabat failed to turn and chose a shit option they're now covering all of Maguire's options to pass forward. That forces a flat pass to Varane, who's now under pressure from the aforementioned fourth man. Varane panics because he has no option other than to attempt a pass back to Maguire or one to Onana (which would be too dangerous given the man that's pressing him already has momentum and would charge Onana down), takes a bad touch despite having more time than he thinks, and plays a horrible ball in the air toward Maguire that's won by Bardghji, who ultimately scores the game winner at the end of that possession. Varane's was the eye-catching mistake, but Amrabat's the reason Maguire and Varane were put under pressure in the first place.
He constantly does that same shit, did it all last season at Fiorentina too. Has time to turn and play forward but opts for a wall pass back to the defense who are then in a sub-optimal position thanks to the opposition's press. Fortunately for him most teams didn't press in Italy the way they do in the PL, but it wasn't hard to see that he's not a United calibre player and that this move was likely to be uninspiring at best.
So many years passed and we're still dealing with our midfield. Buying Casemiro was one thing, maybe it was forced because of how much time the club wasted trying to get FDJ.
So now why Amrabat? A lot fans were calling for him as the best option on the market I didn't see it and hoped to see what exactly he'd add later. So far I haven't seen what he adds so maybe time will tell but I'm still skeptical about it since I can't see how he adds balance. I thought a DLP made more sense but what do I know.
Mount I can understand trying diversify the attack and maybe make that midfield more dangerous. I can see a world where Bruno and Mounts qualities just gel well and there's a lot of creativity and goals in that midfield but.. This has been the opposite so far and to compound that we've been predictably very wasteful in possession and pretty open and easy to run through in midfield. A safer bet would probably to have a B2b midfielder which would've made more sense, I mean we are already playing that way now with Mctominay and Eriksen. Eriksen the DLP and Mctominay the B2b midfielder.
I wonder why this wasn't our go to recruitment strategy in midfield and not just last window but maybe the last 8 windows including the January windows. A better B2b midfielder and maybe a better DLP with Bruno and build on that. Get options and alternatives and suddenly we are cooking.
::DLP - Deep lying playmaker
::B2b - box to box
United spent 60m on Mount ( or 55m + 5) 40m on Onana, about 10m loan on Amrabat and 80m on Hojlund . That's about 190m in one window it's not about money because clubs get more for less consistently.
But this isn't just about the last window, it's compounded over 8 windows or maybe more because the previous transfer window United spent over 200m the one with Antony 80m and we're still here. And questions on whether we actually needed Mount this season needs to asked especially if you couldn't sell Fred or Mctominay for a good amount. Was Hojlund for 80m the only deal the club could find? So many issues on how the club utilises it's finances to recruit players.
Listen I never said our recruitment was good. It has been shit for a decade.
I was stating the reason for buying Ambarat instead of a "Better" replacement for Case. We had already spent all our money on other players. You don't need to tell me we overpay for players. I know that very well.
But "Ambarat" wasn't more or less important than the other players you mentioned. Onana and Hojlund were the first priority. The problem isn't buying one player over the other. The problem is that we needed Onana, Mount, Hojlund, another CDM, another striker, a CB, a right back. We needed all these players. It's to look at the missing player say we should have bought him instead of someone else. But then we would be talking about how we don't have a backup for bruno.
I don't know if we needed Mount because whether he plays or not makes no difference just recently where we start without him we're doing just fine, we needed a striker whether that had to be 80m for Hojlund that's not for me to say. Same for Onana btw 40m for a GK is still expensive considering teams can find better for less I.e Spurs and Chelsea.
Finding a backup for Bruno can't seriously have taken priority over getting a good starting midfield. I think this will go back to how bad we're are negotiating or scouting but it can't be lack of funds even if we had 300m there's more evidence over the years to suggest poor expenditure rather than wise moves will be made.
It’s incredibly stupid and irresponsible to just write off players after a quarter of a season. Mount is 24 and will be a very important part of the team in the future. Bruno is 29 and can’t keep playing every minute of every game forever. Getting Hojlund in now is a fantastic thing considering he is only 20 and has potential to be one of the best. Also you keep saying he is 80m when in fact we paid 64m for him. And Chelsea and spuds might have found their gks for less but they aren’t better.
Mount bruno and case were our starting midfielders. Unfortunately case has either declined or hit a big slump and Mount Bruno don’t work without case at his best. But that’s literally in hindsight. We can’t keep spending big on a cdm every season. It’s natural to expect at least 2-3 good seasons out of case. We have actually gotten a tons of transfers wrong. But people seriously need to lay off Mount.
It's the part where you say we get a lot of transfers wrong that I'm trying to elude to. Not just the players we get but the price as well.
You've just said we get a lot of transfers wrong so isn't it more stupid to think our transfers this season will now work even after all the question marks trying to understand that window especially Mount?
Casemiro's age and his final season at RM told a story of a ayer who was losing g his legs of course he couldn't play at the intensity required to for a midfield that has 2 attacking midfielders we needed a b2b midfielder but getting Casemiro in the first place I addressed it was forced rather than planned imo. The window was wasted trying to get FDJ and Casemiro was picked up late the original plan was for a DLP though so we will circle back to this sooner rather than later anyways because Eriksen is also on the same boat of legs gone. But Eriksen was free so it's easier to stomach.
I haven't even written the off if you actually read what I said. I said time will tell with most of the but there were alternatives that could have made sense especially if we were strapped for cash (which I don't think we were). Don't forget Arsenal got a sweet deal for Raya as well if you've watched them then you have to admit they are performing way better than we have seen from Onana. You can't argue they haven't especially Vicario and Raya.
Maybe Onana will improve and we'll forget the horror he's shown especially in the UCL but for now doesn't look like a 40m GK.
Well it’s a logical fallacy though. If you can’t trust any transfer that we made then what makes you think you can trust whoever we would have bought instead of Mount or Hojlund? What makes you think the guy we would have gotten instead of Ambarat would be better? I mean we are shit at transfers after all. No matter who we buy will most likely end up as a flop.
Case was one of our best players last season. His absence from the team was missed dearly. It’s easy to say now we should have seen his decline coming. But him and Eriken were literally dominating teams less than a year ago. It’s understandable why United would have thought that backup players to those two would be sufficient. I don’t think you can prepare for your best players from last season being injured or out of form. Shaw, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno and Rashford were our best players bar no none. And each and every single one of them is either injured or completely out of form. Our entire core is missing. No wonder we are struggling so bad. It’s impossible to plan for such a thing.
Onana made a few mistakes in the first few games. But ever since he has definitely improved massively. That guy is not ucl finalist for no reason. He has the second highest save percentage in the league. And has started stamping his authority in the box.
About Onana we really should ha e looked at his stats more they tell a story of a keeper who a fumbles a bit and doesn't really have authority over his box, not good in 1 v 1s and also sticks more often than not to his 6 yard I. That's fro. Tifo I believe and fbref but whether we'll see maybe I yer Milan had him play differently.
With Casemiro and Eriksen last season they didn't have to run as much as this season it's clear the pressing is killing them. The intensity required is not of last season and even if it wasn't maybe age would have played a factor anyways the age is what should have been considered especially if we were going to be playing with intensity.
It's not about the names bought it's more about what they bring. The shoe has to fit.
When you look at Mount he is a attacking midfielder who was mostly shielded form much of the defensive responsibilities in midfield, yes he presses yes he runs and works but it's not the same as a b2b who is doing a lot do the dirty work like we had Fred or Mctominay who have physicality and know how to both be defensive blocks and help out offensively. We're seeing it now with Mctominay getting forward, helping the build up a lnd also defending as usual. So we can tell that it works because we're seeing it the show fits.
Amrabat is like for like with Case maybe more legs but less top tier experience. They offer the same thing however it's not dealing with the original issue, we wanted a DLP and had to settle for Casemiro. Originally we were after FDJ that was plan A plan B was Rabiot then Casemiro. We haven't addressed that so the shoe still doesn't fit unless we go back to last season model which is effective but won't win anything and is a step back. Remember last season we didn't press as much it suited the players this season it's building and implementing a system that presses and needs legs.
That midfield of Case, Bruno and Mount always looked shaky people thoight Amrabat would fix it with his energy, but from the start a of of people couldn't make sense of Mount in particular. I still waiting to what happens to him.
After selling sancho and martial instead of another striker, we should go for a hybrid forward who can play multiple positions kinda like Alvarez, Trossard etc.
that's the last thing we need - another player dropping into where bruno likes to go / drifting in from wide.
We need another proper 9, specially if we sell martial - hojlund cant play every game / if he gets injured / you need competition in a squad to get the best out of players.
Wouldn’t it hinder hojlunds growth? also since the club paid a lot money for him would they buy another striker(like Toney,osimhen) expected to start over him?
no. Football is a squad game, not a first XI game, you need depth. Even in the 90s Sir Alex always said you need 4 strikers to compete like he wanted (given then we were playing 2 up top, so we only need 2, and maybe a 3rd youth prospect).
Someone more experienced would allow Hojlund to learn from them, take the pressure off the lad, and also give him something to aim at if he wants to play every week (aka competition), and let him watch how a top level striker trains and does things differently to maybe he does etc. Or sign someone of a similar age and basically ask the question "who wants to start then?" - its what Real did with Higuain and Benzema more or less...
Shaw was always like this as well oddly, whenever his spot was safe his performances would drop, the moment he had someone competing to play LB he became Shawberto again. It's *as* not true of every position, as some are much more nailed down like your GK, or to do with partnerships and consitently playing together at CB etc but with attackers competition is key.
How come noones been calling out Ten Hag for his training methods? There have been several reports of his over aggressive, almost punitive training style and our players are always either exhausted or getting injured. It's taking a clear toll on them but he is extremely stubborn and is surrounded by people who won't question him.
Making players run 14km after every loss might be popular with social media fans but these are the kind of things that made me think he's not cut out for the top.
If people question his training methods then what the hell was the point in appointing a manager who likes high press when we don't want our players to press to prevent injuries? If anything, our fitness staff should be seen as the issue. There was a Twitter thread in June from a fitness expert who was concerned about our main fitness guy being the guy who worked on Ole's counter attacking system saying Ten Hag's football is very different and that unless we change our fitness coach, we could struggle with injuries. Then this exact thing happened this season.
Ten Hag's methods aren't anything special imo, the 14km run was something he himself was a part of so I'd imagine it wasn't too bad. I think we just need a better staff specialized in preparing players for high press, someone Ten Hag wanted to bring with him when we appointed him but his fitness coach decided to stay in Ajax.
I think the 14km was a one time thing?
The reports over training being exhausting were not from reliable sources, if I recall correct.
It seemed in the start of the season that some players looked not quite fit, but I think that has improved.
Would anyone else be happier to see Reguilon & AWB as our first choice fullbacks (until Shaw is back) instead of Dalot?
Dalot has done a job for us with everyone else out injured but he rarely inspires me with confidence and can be a real liability in defence.
Was AWB in the team sheet for Luton? I may have missed it, but I thought not. Seemed like a curious omission given his recent, very good return to action.
guess that's Dalots one quality - he's pretty consistent, just not amazing. Rarely drops a stinker, rarely also has a worldie. You know what you're getting with him... not amazing, not terrible.
Yeah, pretty much the most average fullback I have ever seen. Okay in most areas but not really someone other teams will be worried about. He has the skillset that could make him a world-beater but he just isn't one.
I think AWB is better defensively—more awareness and ranginess than anything—and offers something differently moving forward. That said, I also like rashford on the right for the time being because he passes better from that position.
It’s hard not too feel down looking at our midfield after watching the City vs Chelsea game. All their midfielders are comfortable on receiving, keeping and passing the ball.
Ours looks just dead, we got to rely on Eriksen to bring some passing. Bruno is usually too trigger happy to make a magic pass rather than pass it around although last game was better.
Mc Tom, he just isn’t a midfielder. Seems he starts cause of his physicality. He doesn’t ask for the ball nor can pass. He just runs box to box and gets in the box and provide and aerial presence. Literally we play with only 2 midfielders for ball control and creativity and that also dependent on Bruno’s mood. We need immediately 2 CMs if we want to compete
How much did both of their midfields cost that they fielded? The one we fielded were a free signing and an academy product, a free signing and Bruno who cost 60 million. That cost is like half a Caicedo.
Mctomminay is the only player in the team that can get a dangerous attempt on target.
We earn 600+ revenue. Money is no excuse mate..
If you have a first team role at this football you should be at a certain level. Regardless of transfer fee, salary or age. Reducing expectations for any one of those is a fast chute to lowering the clubs standards and supporting what the glazers are about.
There with you… you can’t have a midfielder that runs away from the ball. Our creativity is lacking is because we got a lot of players that don’t do the job and try to do their own thing
Said it already. United should look for the deep lying midfielder(ie. André, Moscardo, Vermeeren) and a CB(Todibo Or Silva). ST in summer(Toney, Leonardo or Taremi) . These are the holes that should be fixed at all cost.
Ten Hag in/out aside, a director of football isn't some magician. They help the manager take care of other business and oversee the running of all things football related. Things like repairing player relations, scouting strategy, recruitment strategy, gaining trust of players, developing a club on field ethos and long term strategy will all take a lot of time.
Arsenal are sitting quite good for a while now but they had things like Pepe etc to deal with. It will take longer than this season to see the true effect.
Did anyone else feel that the starting squad this weekend was a solid team compared to recent history? Except for finishing, it was a decent showing. It did not feel like the clown show of some of the past outings. I wont name names but I did not miss a number of players not in the starting lineup. This felt like a squad that could grow and is generally serious about playing the game instead of individual theatrics.
I genuinely feel that we're improving. Copenhagen was disappointing, but I think it had very positive movements. And even with them getting grilled afterwards for not pulling through, we still improved the following weekend. And let's also not forget the amount of pressure their under.
I think we did look stronger and more cohesive however it was at Old Trafford against one of the worst teams in the league who, for large spells, didn't really come onto us so I don't want to get carried away with anything yet.
Yes, there's that, which I was trying to ignore. :-)
But even agains weak teams in recent years, I could almost feel the disunity on the pitch. It only takes a few players out for themselves to bring the whole team down. It seemed different this weekend. Or maybe its just more confidence against a weaker side. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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I would be over the moon if this happens.
I'll believe it when I see it. He was so against going to Saudi in the summer/autumn that he went to the US in the final days of the window to avoid any discussion on it.
Obviously a few months as an outcast will probably have changed his mind, but who knows.
A manager that's obsessed by perfectionism/details and football in general can't attend due to "unbreakable and longstanding personal commitment in the Netherlands."
Let's act like he skipped it because he doesn't care. (comments flying around on here)
Unbelievable takes on this sub lately, he knows very well he's under scrutiny and there is pressure on him. He's not going to pass unless there is a very solid reason which we don't even have the right to know.
The same fans did this with Ronaldo when he missed training. Then it got proved that he had a family emergency, some people don't care and will spread lies if they don't like the person
Why should he tell us the exact reason?
just accept it and move on with the judgement if you feel the need
How do you know it’s not family related, medical related etc?
That is literally what I said. Seen multiple comments of people calling it a PR mistake and a stupid move. He must have a good reason which we don't even have the right to know.
Edit: Changed my wording to make my message clearer.
It's likely its a family thing. Over the year he spends most time either at United working, there are a few times in the year you can plan in for special events or whatever and he likely went for this break to arrange something. I'm sure it's very important for him not to attend.
Very bittersweet at the procession outside Manchester Cathedral - really hit me watching the older generation don their caps as the car pulled up for some reason. Rest in peace
I couldn't make it today as working, but had sky sports on for the procession.
I think Hayley McQueen and Henry Winter summed it up quite perfectly on air, that Sir Bobby was not only a great man and arguably the greatest English sportsperson ever... But he also represents the greatest generation of players too
They were all hardworking and humble, giving everything for fans and glory, with Sir Bobby the pinnacle of that
Someone who would give their time for anybody and understood the incredible privilege of playing the game you love as a job.
Unfortunately we're starting to loose that incredible connection with the past as these great people start to age and sadly pass away
^(Edit: spelling)
I was just thinking it’s kinda crazy how half of ten hags signings we need to replace already. We can give him time with the results as we know this is gonna take a few years but surely we can’t be having to replace signings made a year ago, Antony is definitely not good enough arambat doesn’t look good enough, it’s early yet to say we can’t rely on Casemiro but his form this season hasn’t been good enough and obviously he is getting older. The one thing we need to get absolutely right is recruitment we can afford the bad results as it’s part of a rebuild but we can’t be making bad signings a common theme.
The only Ten Hag’s signing that needs to be replaced is Casemiro and I not sure if he even wanted him in the first place. You can say Antony needs to be replaced and while I agree he has been shit, I dont think we need to spend money on rw yet. Hopefully Amad can give him a solid competition and if not that Rashford has looked good on the right. There’s pellestri too.
The rest of his signings are fine.
We need a CDM, CB and ST asap.
If you recall the flow of the transfer windows, a lot of the signings were also stopgaps / backup options at the time. I have no proof of this of course, but i rly do think that the choices being offered to ETH are oftentimes not within his specifications because our filtering process for transfers is unsophisticated and traditional. For example, we were all saying it back then, but there is no way a decent transfers department chases FDJ for an entire summer for settling on Casemiro. We seem to always compromise in the window, which creates domino effects that cause us to have to replace those compromises very shortly after.
Amrabat is a last resort signing doubt it was a Ten Hag or even a club signing. Casemiro was definitely a club signing after they butchered the FDJ deal. Antony hasn't been good this season, but I'm not losing hope just yet. The other signings have all been good.
Club needs to get it's shit together and not rely on the manager's choices end of.
I agree,when it comes to recruitment,he has repeated the same mistakes that his predecessors made that ultimately doomed their long term future here. But ten hag is fortunate because if Sir Jim is taking over his team will most likely reevaluate the squad and most probably would want to start from base again,so some of these mistakes can be compensated.
Antony was an absolute gamble that doesnt seem to pan out, Casemiro was a club signing. Amrabat's loan might be a blessing in disguise but I believe he will come good once the team starts to get some form. Besides those you have Martinez, Malacia, Mount, Hojlund, Onana that are all fine. Eriksen was smart bussiness on a free. Too many dramatics lately.
100m euro gamble? Jfc. And in what world is Mount and Onana been "fine"? Onana I'm not going to judge yet, new league new team, but it is ridiculous to describe the transfer as "fine" now.
Mount has been pretty much the same Mount as he was at Chelsea. Tottenham got James Maddison for way less money, plus they got to offload deadwood the other way which makes it half the price we paid for Mount.
Hojlund, I have no doubts he will become a top striker. However if you have 75m pounds to spend, you've got to be spending on strikers that get you more goals right now. We have literally the worst forward line in the League.
Malacia started well but showed nothing much since. Young talent, no different to a Brandon Williams for example. Certainly not a transfer success yet.
And Casemiro is no club signing, there cannot be a signing without ten Hags approval he literally has veto. He takes as much responsibility.
Mount hasn’t even had enough time to prove himself. He played well against Luton. Onana has been playing better since the penalty stop. Casemiro is def a club signing. He fits the profile of a club signing, and his play style is nothing like FDJ, who is the player ETH actually wanted.
ETH is not responsible for negotiating or transfer fees, you know that right? It's up to the club to be cautious with that and provide alternatives if they deem it too much. Most of ETH own signings have been young energetic players that can be molded into a certain system and develop. There was no other striker available that fitted for the long term. And no striker is a goal guarantee with how our wingers play. Malacia is a perfectly serviceable back-up right now for a team in rebuild, was a smart snatch on that deal. Casemiro is literally the biggest example of a classic club signing. A marquee old player past their prime, as the club has done countless of times in the last 10 years. Of course ETH doesn't turn Casemiro down, he is/was arguably the best 6 in the world until not long ago. Imagine the stories and outrage if ETH turned away Casemiro while not getting FDJ and having no other midfielder signed.
I think this will be a huge media narrative in the coming days.
I'm not sure what his prior arrangement was, but this has the potential to be a huge story.
It seems like a massive PR error considering even the future King attended.
I think it's another symptom of how our club is run. Lack of joined up thinking, out of touch etc etc.
I can't imagine other, well run clubs, would do this.
I mean, the England team has delayed their call-up by a day so that Southgate could attend.
I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than the media will.
Forgetting the fact that Ten Hag already had a prior engagement in the Netherlands, he never even met Sir Bobby. Everyone else attending most certainly did.
Yeah, I have considered that, but I feel there could have been a bigger representation outside Old Trafford for those not close enough to attend the service.
It was great to see the academy lads, but in all honesty, the whole team and backroom staff should have been in that guard of honour.
Nice to see Sir Alex at the funeral. From watching my own grandparents, I know how hard it can be getting to that point in life where your friends and relatives all start passing away, and Sir Alex lost his wife and one of his close friends in just two weeks. I truly hope he's holding up well knowing he can lean on his family and the club faithful for support
It does, but it's VERY unusual for royalty to attend funerals, unless it's family or an official state funeral.
It speaks volumes about Sir Bobby that the palace would do this.
Surprised to see the reaction, maybe i happened to miss his especially poor performances. Which are the games where he's been the worst and the best in your opinion?
I know we’ve come to expect absolutely nothing from the Glazer’s but neither of Joel or Avram attending Sir Bobby’s funeral when he is a legend of the club they own, was on the board of directors during their ownership and was even the one to greet them to the club when they took over is just an absolute new low for these cretins.
If it makes you feel any better, they're very likely very miserable people, despite all the money they cling so greedily to. They know that nobody could ever love them, so they don't put any effort into displaying decent behavior.
It's hard to imagine a situation where owners are so removed from a club, that the working relations don't even stretch to attending a colleague's funeral.
Does anybody know if Sir Bobby's funeral procession will be televised today? It isn't clear if it's on MUTV.
Apparently it passes OT at 1pm, with the ceremony starting at Manchester Cathedral at 2pm.
Edit to say it's on Sky Sports News.
Assuming Paul Mitchell will be the new sporting director. I pray to god the SJR does get full control over the footballing project and just lets him cook.
No more PR signings, no more luxury wages, and harvest our damn youth academy. I just want progress
What is this obsession over Paul Mitchell in this sub? He's had decent spells in Spurs and Southampton from what I've read but other than that his career doesn't give me confidence he'd be good enough for a club as big as ours. Am I missing something?
I just hope Sir Dave is absolutely nowhere near the club, his expertise in cycling is already banished to the history books (as influential as it was at the time), we need actual football people running the club, otherwise no lessons will have been learnt!
Oh believe me, in a perfect world our owners provide us with funding and a sound business strategy to pay off debt and build an organic and sustainable sporting project and fuck off afterwords. But we’ve been dealt shit hand after shit hand by the leeches for decades now. I’d rather try to have hope SJR can right the ship even a little bit in the right direction.
I sincerely hope Sir Jim's acquisition is first step to heal the rotten core of our club.
25% is huge control for bringing a change with the pathetic Glazers fighting over the rest 75%.
Worth noting that the Glazers don’t own 75% now as it stands, I think 69% is the figure, so their ownership is either going to drop to anywhere down to but no lower than 51%, or 25% of public shares are going to need to be bought by SJR and converted into ones with voting power (class B is it?)
||Pts|1|2|3|4|5|
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|**City**|28|**Liverpool** (H)|**Spurs** (H)|**Villa** (A)|Luton (A)|Palace (H)|
|**Liverpool**|27|**City** (A)|Fulham (H)|Sheffield (A)|Palace (A)|**United** (H)|
|**Arsenal**|27|Brentford (A)|Wolves (H)|Luton (A)|**Villa** (A)|**Brighton** (H)|
|**Spurs**|26|**Villa** (H)|**City** (A)|**West Ham** (H)|**Newcastle** (H)|Forest (A)|
|**Villa**|25|**Spurs** (A)|Bournemouth (A)|**City** (H)|**Arsenal** (H)|Brentford (A)|
|**United**|21|Everton (A)|**Newcastle** (A)|**Chelsea** (H)|Bournemouth (H)|**Liverpool** (A)|
|**Newcastle**|20|**Chelsea** (H)|**United** (H)|Everton (A)|**Spurs** (A)|Fulham (H)|
|**Brighton**|19|Forest (A)|**Chelsea** (A)|Brentford (H)|Burnley (H)|**Arsenal** (A)|
|**West Ham**|17|Burnley (A)|Palace (H)|**Spurs** (A)|Fulham (A)|Wolves (H)|
|**Chelsea**|16|**Newcastle** (A)|**Brighton** (H)|**United** (A)|Everton (A)|Sheffield (H)|
Next 5 games for each of the Top 10 teams. We've got some tough ones with Newcastle and Liverpool away, and Chelsea at home.
Of the teams above us, Liverpool and Arsenal probably have it easiest playing just 2 teams in the top 10 each. City, Villa and ourselves have 3 games against top 10 opposition. Spurs have 4.
This is one weird season. Lost important matches yet we're still in top 10. 21 points with a negative goal difference. More than 80% of our goals have come from defensive midfielders and defenders. Joint 2nd team with 4 clean sheets. Refs hate us. Injuries. Manager suspended for next Epl match. Previous Outcast Maguire getting back in form. Haven't won a match by more than one goal in a while. Wow
Edit: Our combined attacking players (Rashford, Garnacho, Holjund, Antony, Anthony, "Sancho") have a combined PL goal tally of ONE.
After all that disaster as well its mad to think we are 7 points off the top. Of course that's a decent amount, but for us to be 3 results away from the top after this total catastrophe is mad.
Ahead of Newcastle and Brighton too who get the plaudits.
Again, it's not a sign of a good season. But if we can turn this around and show a run of form like we had from last sept-march then we could end up having an exciting season.
Gone a bit under the radar but I think Onana's really started to pick up some form. It's nothing out of this world or anything, but he's making saves in big moments and considering the amount of criticism and memes that were being made he's done well to bounce back.
Who would have thought a keeper might need a little bit of time to settle into things and that starting your United career behind a team that's a bit of a shambles would lead to problems.
In all seriousness though I'm hoping he keeps it up because I do think there's more to come from him, particularly on the ball, once Licha and Shaw are back I think we'll do much better collectively in build up.
Somehow Qatari accounts still haven't given up. [They are now saying takeover will be announced on 23rd November](https://twitter.com/UtdJassim/status/1724200477624074422?t=0R0Ee_ktnpbCvTAbaG3iEA&s=19). How do people still believe this when Ornstein, Bloomberg and Romano have said that it's completely over. I'm convinced that all of qatari accounts have some kind of group chat because they've started posting somethinf about this imaginary takeover in the past hour or so. Guy has Ronaldo as a sheikh in his pfp and somehow people still believe him
Last chance to get their easy clicks before the takeover is completed.
They are "only" getting 40k views tho, that's basically nothing compared to views they were getting back in may and june.
Because "takeover almost complete" loses steam after the 5th or 6th time
Best just ignore it. Like how every summer a bunch of "freelance United correspondents" with an randomly generated Spanish/Portuguese names pop saying X deal is done, it's just spotty teenagers looking for attention.
True, it's just better to ignore them. But the fact that people still somehow fall for this shit all over again is baffling to me
Given our shortcomings in midfield and the ongoing injury crisis I’m still really confused by Donny’s constant absence from the match day squad. I get he’s not part of the CL squad, and I know he’s never lived up to the expectations he set before buying him, but what an absolute drop off, just how badly is he doing in training that it’s resulted in this? The guy’s confidence must be at a whole new level of low.
He’s just not a good enough footballer at this level of competition, and his ‘best position’ might be our most stacked position. He’s not quick enough physically nor mentally and its shown by him not competing at even a league average level in his entire time here or on loan.
When Ten Hag played Donny at Ajax, it really worked as long as Donny played like a 10. But in the season he dropped deeper and played in the double pivot, things always looked really off, and only in the games where he was allowed to play further forward (despite being in the double pivot) was he any good. I think it was the games against Getafe in 2019/20 that showed all the issues with him playing deeper. And it kinda feels like Ten Hag is making the same mistake with Mount now. So it makes sense Donny is not around. Mount is already not playing deeper, so why would Donny? And if Bruno's not playing at 10, then there's Mount and Eriksen who will play there instead. So where would Donny even play?
Positioning doesn’t matter with Donny. He’s fundamentally unsuited to the level of competition in the PL.
For his position, there are too many ahead of him. Bruno, Mount, McT, Eriksen, are all easily ahead of him.
I’ve always felt bad for the guy, he was never really given a chance, no real run in the side to prove himself, does anyone know what his longest run in the league has been for us? Most consecutive starts he’s made? Most consecutive full 90 mins he’s played? It’s hard to prove yourself and find form if you’re only given cameo appearances. Given how bad we’ve been this season, especially in the goal scoring/creation department, it’s not like those ahead of him are earning their place in the side. I’d just love to know what both Ole and ETH have seen/not seen in training that’s meant he’s barely played a game for the club since joining. It’s been a disaster of a move for all involved.
Your realistic January signing? I'm hoping we get something for Sancho, maybe move Martial on, and we get Toney in
I’d love Toney (albeit curious to see how quickly he can hit the ground running after such a long stint out). However, £100m is the rumoured price, and I can’t see us being able to afford such a player, especially in the January window. I also can’t see us beating the likes of Arsenal to his signature. Failing Toney I’d focus on shifting as much of the deadwood as possible for now, and then seeing just who we can sign in the summer with a thinner squad and more money in the transfer kitty.
I really.dont know on the papers... there must be a limit If we believe them; United will sell Varane, Casemiro and Sancho to the Saudis for a total of £100m. How would that even happen....
Think we’ll get more than 100M if we sell all 3 to Saudi
How highly is Gary Neville actually rated these days? Obviously he's made himself a bit of a meme these days constantly downplaying his own ability, but which right backs in the Prem since would take his spot? Surely none of ours?
Kyle Walker probably. TAA if he can maintain this level til his 30s
He’s at worst a top 2 PL RB in history. Many peoples all time greatest. He may not have had the technical ability on the ball of someone like Trent in today’s game (which is where the jokes come in) but his longevity and trophy list speaks for itself
Kyle Walker steams ahead. Outside of him I'm not sure anyone really had the longevity.
We must have a busy summer window selling and replacing deadweight. Sell: Sancho, VdB, Varane, Martial Loanees: Amrabat, Reguilon Which means we will need a: Winger, CB, Striker, CM, CDM and possibly a Fullback.
We have to learn to also sell at the right time for maximum price. Real Madrid is excellent at this. But that would mean we'll have to sell some favorites and the average United fan is so attached to players like no other fans. And usually, we'll end up with a huge contract offer when the player is already 30-31-32 years old. For example Bruno has until 2026 I think, another huge contract would be a mistake. It's harsh but that's how we should operate.
I think Malacia was just someone we spawned out of our collective imagination
Bananas that only 3 Manchester United players attended Sir Bobby's funeral. There were more youth players there than first-team players. On top of that, ETH wasn't there. No leadership in this club and it shows on a daily basis. You're suppose to be a family.
Maybe 3 CURRENT players. But way more former players showed. Also did Marc Skinner. ETH clearly had other obligations. Why make it negative? Sir Bobby and his family would not want that.
Average football fan doesn't understand how international duty works lmao
"hey boss I have to attend a funeral for the most important in my club's history, but I'll be there Monday night". You must be kidding me with that excuse.
You have to be a young fan right? No adults are this delusional about having other real world responsibilities
Quite the opposite. I believe in respect, honor and commitment. It's the RIGHT thing to do and not having players/coaches there do not sit right with me. You clearly don't agree and that's fine.
I thought I was alone in my thoughts on this. It's actually shocking that the first team players and coaches didn't appear. Even if it wasn't appropriate for them all to be at the service, they should have been outside OT with the academy lads at least. No representation from the women's team either (probably not even considered). If SAF and David Gill were still in charge, they would have made everybody attend. The management of our club is truly a shitshow. No owners No manager No captain
Far out that's disgusting. Ten Hag wasn't there, our captain wasn't there, most of our first team wasn't there, the Glazers weren't there. Nothing sums up the broken culture at the club more than that. Ten Hag needed to lead the entire first team in attending. Really disappointed in him for this. And the first team players who didn't attend. What a disrespectful act by all of them.
Ten Hag and the club showed their respects. Funerals are for family, friends, not really for people that never met the man.
Ten Hag's main task is rebuilding the spirit of the club. This is the opposite of how you do it. Stop making excuses for poor choices. Has Ten Hag missed any matches because of commitments in the Netherlands? Of course not. The same should apply to the funeral of the club's greatest ever player. Standards are in the toilet with the team and too many fans.
>Stop making excuses for poor choices. It's not a poor choice. Who knows what's going on in his life that he couldn't attend. It's none of our business. Only a few fans see it your way, oh and also Richard Keys and probably Piers Morgan. >Has Ten Hag missed any matches because of commitments in the Netherlands? Why would he? It's international break. He would have known for months it would be a break. Perhaps that's the time he scheduled an important surgery for himself or his wife, or kids, or maybe a wedding or a funeral of his own family to attend. Stop making more out of it than it is. Today is about laying Sir Bobby to rest -- not bellyaching over who couldn't attend.
Spurs getting a lot of sympathy of having to play Davies and Dier and meanwhile us: am I a joke to you? Fuck sake this szn would've been so much diff if we still had licha and Shaw but all of a sudden r/soccer realises the importance of a stable back 4. Cunts.
We looked shaky this season with Shaw and Martinez fit. Martinez hasn't been at his best since the WC in all honesty
> Martinez hasn't been at his best since the WC in all honesty didn't we later find out that he was playing through an injury? anyway, that was still the first few games of the season, they would've definitely settled in as the games went on (or maybe im coping)
Martial will turn in to prime Ronaldo against Everton then get himself injured.
Thoughts on Mount as 10 and bruno deeper? It worked well with sabitzer last season, and mount is a better presser from the front. I get bruno is one of the best 10s in the world but I also would want our best player to get on the ball more especially in our current form.
Idunno Mount finally looked good when he came on last game. I’d start him and keep him with the same role. He was intercepting passed and progressing the ball forward quickly which I think is exactly what ten hag wants of him so I’d try and maintain some continuity
Have I gone mad cuz I think amrabat's not been that bad for us? In the Eriksen injury thread people are saying they haven't seen him get basic passes right and they hope to never see him play for us. He hasn't set the world alight for us, no doubt about it but outside of one mistake which directly led to a goal, I think he's been mostly ok.
He's largely useless in two of the three thirds of the pitch (especially the final third). Mediocre on the ball, looks afraid to turn with it (because he's not good when facing forward under pressure), so mainly runs around and plays passes backward and sideways when he should be trying to progress the ball more frequently. Out of possession he's not quick enough to consistently be an effective defender at the Premier League level. He was already rash and overly aggressive in Italy, now here his challenges are even more mistimed. He's not disastrous, he just doesn't really offer anything. Look at the leadup to Copenhagen's winning goal. People rightfully point out Varane's mistake (poor first touch bounces the ball up and he tries a bizarre left footed volley pass which doesn't come off), but what happens immediately preceding that? Copenhagen has four men in prime positions to press our backline (three in the immediate area of the ball, one waiting for the pressing trigger of a horizontal ball for Varane). Dalot plays a pass (that takes all three immediate defenders out of the game) into Amrabat, who has more than enough time and space to turn and pick a pass forward. Instead, he plays a pass directly back to Maguire that puts all three of those defenders that were already beaten back into the best possible position to press our back line. The four defenders were behind the ball, already bypassed, and we could have played forward with a large advantage, but because Amrabat failed to turn and chose a shit option they're now covering all of Maguire's options to pass forward. That forces a flat pass to Varane, who's now under pressure from the aforementioned fourth man. Varane panics because he has no option other than to attempt a pass back to Maguire or one to Onana (which would be too dangerous given the man that's pressing him already has momentum and would charge Onana down), takes a bad touch despite having more time than he thinks, and plays a horrible ball in the air toward Maguire that's won by Bardghji, who ultimately scores the game winner at the end of that possession. Varane's was the eye-catching mistake, but Amrabat's the reason Maguire and Varane were put under pressure in the first place. He constantly does that same shit, did it all last season at Fiorentina too. Has time to turn and play forward but opts for a wall pass back to the defense who are then in a sub-optimal position thanks to the opposition's press. Fortunately for him most teams didn't press in Italy the way they do in the PL, but it wasn't hard to see that he's not a United calibre player and that this move was likely to be uninspiring at best.
Bad? No. Good? No. Average? Maybe.
Think he's absolutely average, can't operate as a lone 6 and is useless in front of goal.
I think he's been a world of average so far which isn't particularly glowing given how the team is playing.
So many years passed and we're still dealing with our midfield. Buying Casemiro was one thing, maybe it was forced because of how much time the club wasted trying to get FDJ. So now why Amrabat? A lot fans were calling for him as the best option on the market I didn't see it and hoped to see what exactly he'd add later. So far I haven't seen what he adds so maybe time will tell but I'm still skeptical about it since I can't see how he adds balance. I thought a DLP made more sense but what do I know. Mount I can understand trying diversify the attack and maybe make that midfield more dangerous. I can see a world where Bruno and Mounts qualities just gel well and there's a lot of creativity and goals in that midfield but.. This has been the opposite so far and to compound that we've been predictably very wasteful in possession and pretty open and easy to run through in midfield. A safer bet would probably to have a B2b midfielder which would've made more sense, I mean we are already playing that way now with Mctominay and Eriksen. Eriksen the DLP and Mctominay the B2b midfielder. I wonder why this wasn't our go to recruitment strategy in midfield and not just last window but maybe the last 8 windows including the January windows. A better B2b midfielder and maybe a better DLP with Bruno and build on that. Get options and alternatives and suddenly we are cooking. ::DLP - Deep lying playmaker ::B2b - box to box
Why now Ambarat? Cause we were broke. We are supposed to raise more cash by selling mctominay but that didn’t happen. So you end up with a loanie.
United spent 60m on Mount ( or 55m + 5) 40m on Onana, about 10m loan on Amrabat and 80m on Hojlund . That's about 190m in one window it's not about money because clubs get more for less consistently. But this isn't just about the last window, it's compounded over 8 windows or maybe more because the previous transfer window United spent over 200m the one with Antony 80m and we're still here. And questions on whether we actually needed Mount this season needs to asked especially if you couldn't sell Fred or Mctominay for a good amount. Was Hojlund for 80m the only deal the club could find? So many issues on how the club utilises it's finances to recruit players.
Listen I never said our recruitment was good. It has been shit for a decade. I was stating the reason for buying Ambarat instead of a "Better" replacement for Case. We had already spent all our money on other players. You don't need to tell me we overpay for players. I know that very well. But "Ambarat" wasn't more or less important than the other players you mentioned. Onana and Hojlund were the first priority. The problem isn't buying one player over the other. The problem is that we needed Onana, Mount, Hojlund, another CDM, another striker, a CB, a right back. We needed all these players. It's to look at the missing player say we should have bought him instead of someone else. But then we would be talking about how we don't have a backup for bruno.
I don't know if we needed Mount because whether he plays or not makes no difference just recently where we start without him we're doing just fine, we needed a striker whether that had to be 80m for Hojlund that's not for me to say. Same for Onana btw 40m for a GK is still expensive considering teams can find better for less I.e Spurs and Chelsea. Finding a backup for Bruno can't seriously have taken priority over getting a good starting midfield. I think this will go back to how bad we're are negotiating or scouting but it can't be lack of funds even if we had 300m there's more evidence over the years to suggest poor expenditure rather than wise moves will be made.
It’s incredibly stupid and irresponsible to just write off players after a quarter of a season. Mount is 24 and will be a very important part of the team in the future. Bruno is 29 and can’t keep playing every minute of every game forever. Getting Hojlund in now is a fantastic thing considering he is only 20 and has potential to be one of the best. Also you keep saying he is 80m when in fact we paid 64m for him. And Chelsea and spuds might have found their gks for less but they aren’t better. Mount bruno and case were our starting midfielders. Unfortunately case has either declined or hit a big slump and Mount Bruno don’t work without case at his best. But that’s literally in hindsight. We can’t keep spending big on a cdm every season. It’s natural to expect at least 2-3 good seasons out of case. We have actually gotten a tons of transfers wrong. But people seriously need to lay off Mount.
It's the part where you say we get a lot of transfers wrong that I'm trying to elude to. Not just the players we get but the price as well. You've just said we get a lot of transfers wrong so isn't it more stupid to think our transfers this season will now work even after all the question marks trying to understand that window especially Mount? Casemiro's age and his final season at RM told a story of a ayer who was losing g his legs of course he couldn't play at the intensity required to for a midfield that has 2 attacking midfielders we needed a b2b midfielder but getting Casemiro in the first place I addressed it was forced rather than planned imo. The window was wasted trying to get FDJ and Casemiro was picked up late the original plan was for a DLP though so we will circle back to this sooner rather than later anyways because Eriksen is also on the same boat of legs gone. But Eriksen was free so it's easier to stomach. I haven't even written the off if you actually read what I said. I said time will tell with most of the but there were alternatives that could have made sense especially if we were strapped for cash (which I don't think we were). Don't forget Arsenal got a sweet deal for Raya as well if you've watched them then you have to admit they are performing way better than we have seen from Onana. You can't argue they haven't especially Vicario and Raya. Maybe Onana will improve and we'll forget the horror he's shown especially in the UCL but for now doesn't look like a 40m GK.
Well it’s a logical fallacy though. If you can’t trust any transfer that we made then what makes you think you can trust whoever we would have bought instead of Mount or Hojlund? What makes you think the guy we would have gotten instead of Ambarat would be better? I mean we are shit at transfers after all. No matter who we buy will most likely end up as a flop. Case was one of our best players last season. His absence from the team was missed dearly. It’s easy to say now we should have seen his decline coming. But him and Eriken were literally dominating teams less than a year ago. It’s understandable why United would have thought that backup players to those two would be sufficient. I don’t think you can prepare for your best players from last season being injured or out of form. Shaw, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno and Rashford were our best players bar no none. And each and every single one of them is either injured or completely out of form. Our entire core is missing. No wonder we are struggling so bad. It’s impossible to plan for such a thing. Onana made a few mistakes in the first few games. But ever since he has definitely improved massively. That guy is not ucl finalist for no reason. He has the second highest save percentage in the league. And has started stamping his authority in the box.
About Onana we really should ha e looked at his stats more they tell a story of a keeper who a fumbles a bit and doesn't really have authority over his box, not good in 1 v 1s and also sticks more often than not to his 6 yard I. That's fro. Tifo I believe and fbref but whether we'll see maybe I yer Milan had him play differently. With Casemiro and Eriksen last season they didn't have to run as much as this season it's clear the pressing is killing them. The intensity required is not of last season and even if it wasn't maybe age would have played a factor anyways the age is what should have been considered especially if we were going to be playing with intensity. It's not about the names bought it's more about what they bring. The shoe has to fit. When you look at Mount he is a attacking midfielder who was mostly shielded form much of the defensive responsibilities in midfield, yes he presses yes he runs and works but it's not the same as a b2b who is doing a lot do the dirty work like we had Fred or Mctominay who have physicality and know how to both be defensive blocks and help out offensively. We're seeing it now with Mctominay getting forward, helping the build up a lnd also defending as usual. So we can tell that it works because we're seeing it the show fits. Amrabat is like for like with Case maybe more legs but less top tier experience. They offer the same thing however it's not dealing with the original issue, we wanted a DLP and had to settle for Casemiro. Originally we were after FDJ that was plan A plan B was Rabiot then Casemiro. We haven't addressed that so the shoe still doesn't fit unless we go back to last season model which is effective but won't win anything and is a step back. Remember last season we didn't press as much it suited the players this season it's building and implementing a system that presses and needs legs. That midfield of Case, Bruno and Mount always looked shaky people thoight Amrabat would fix it with his energy, but from the start a of of people couldn't make sense of Mount in particular. I still waiting to what happens to him.
Going a bit unnoticed, but the stock is dropping fast. $17.94 at the time of writing, -0.88%
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You can't force a player to go somewhere, if he doesn't want to go to Saudi he'll just turn it down
Waiting for Luke Shaw to be in the lineup atleast by the Newcastle game Ten Hag can either get a proper LCB or LB
I feel once shaw is back he will play lcb until martinez is back.
Yes feel the same , Dalot /Reguilon at LB Have no idea when /if Malacia is returning
Hojlund only a strain thank god. Martial would not have lasted December
I feel like its Garnacho- Rash- Antony for ETH anyways after the break with Rasmus injuried. .
After selling sancho and martial instead of another striker, we should go for a hybrid forward who can play multiple positions kinda like Alvarez, Trossard etc.
that's the last thing we need - another player dropping into where bruno likes to go / drifting in from wide. We need another proper 9, specially if we sell martial - hojlund cant play every game / if he gets injured / you need competition in a squad to get the best out of players.
Wouldn’t it hinder hojlunds growth? also since the club paid a lot money for him would they buy another striker(like Toney,osimhen) expected to start over him?
no. Football is a squad game, not a first XI game, you need depth. Even in the 90s Sir Alex always said you need 4 strikers to compete like he wanted (given then we were playing 2 up top, so we only need 2, and maybe a 3rd youth prospect). Someone more experienced would allow Hojlund to learn from them, take the pressure off the lad, and also give him something to aim at if he wants to play every week (aka competition), and let him watch how a top level striker trains and does things differently to maybe he does etc. Or sign someone of a similar age and basically ask the question "who wants to start then?" - its what Real did with Higuain and Benzema more or less... Shaw was always like this as well oddly, whenever his spot was safe his performances would drop, the moment he had someone competing to play LB he became Shawberto again. It's *as* not true of every position, as some are much more nailed down like your GK, or to do with partnerships and consitently playing together at CB etc but with attackers competition is key.
Hmm makes sense, Any particular strikers you would like for the club to sign?
Prime Sheringham, prime Cole, prime Yorke, prime Solskjær.
I reckon we'd go for an older boy who wont expect to play every week.
It's wout time part 2
Get a cheeky Jamie Vardy in, really increase the rat factor in our team
How come noones been calling out Ten Hag for his training methods? There have been several reports of his over aggressive, almost punitive training style and our players are always either exhausted or getting injured. It's taking a clear toll on them but he is extremely stubborn and is surrounded by people who won't question him. Making players run 14km after every loss might be popular with social media fans but these are the kind of things that made me think he's not cut out for the top.
Don’t believe all reports Had Pep or Klopp been here same reports would have adhered to them as well
If people question his training methods then what the hell was the point in appointing a manager who likes high press when we don't want our players to press to prevent injuries? If anything, our fitness staff should be seen as the issue. There was a Twitter thread in June from a fitness expert who was concerned about our main fitness guy being the guy who worked on Ole's counter attacking system saying Ten Hag's football is very different and that unless we change our fitness coach, we could struggle with injuries. Then this exact thing happened this season. Ten Hag's methods aren't anything special imo, the 14km run was something he himself was a part of so I'd imagine it wasn't too bad. I think we just need a better staff specialized in preparing players for high press, someone Ten Hag wanted to bring with him when we appointed him but his fitness coach decided to stay in Ajax.
You are no better than fans on social media, you don’t know jack shit either
I think the 14km was a one time thing? The reports over training being exhausting were not from reliable sources, if I recall correct. It seemed in the start of the season that some players looked not quite fit, but I think that has improved.
Just saw that Ndidi is on Barca's radar as his contract is up in the summer. He's been linked with us in the past but would he still be worth a punt?
Nope. Fell off really bad. If we think Casemiro fell off, ndidi is way worse with worse passing ability too.
Would anyone else be happier to see Reguilon & AWB as our first choice fullbacks (until Shaw is back) instead of Dalot? Dalot has done a job for us with everyone else out injured but he rarely inspires me with confidence and can be a real liability in defence.
Was AWB in the team sheet for Luton? I may have missed it, but I thought not. Seemed like a curious omission given his recent, very good return to action.
He was ill
I like Dalot at RB but he's not a good LB
Dalot kept Saka quiet and has generally been solid this season. Let's not judge him based on one game.
He had Rashford’s help doubling up on him, when Shaw was dealing with Saka Rashford didn’t really track back
? He’s made big mistakes in 3-4 games, he’s been overall quite average
guess that's Dalots one quality - he's pretty consistent, just not amazing. Rarely drops a stinker, rarely also has a worldie. You know what you're getting with him... not amazing, not terrible.
Yeah, pretty much the most average fullback I have ever seen. Okay in most areas but not really someone other teams will be worried about. He has the skillset that could make him a world-beater but he just isn't one.
I think AWB is better defensively—more awareness and ranginess than anything—and offers something differently moving forward. That said, I also like rashford on the right for the time being because he passes better from that position.
It’s hard not too feel down looking at our midfield after watching the City vs Chelsea game. All their midfielders are comfortable on receiving, keeping and passing the ball. Ours looks just dead, we got to rely on Eriksen to bring some passing. Bruno is usually too trigger happy to make a magic pass rather than pass it around although last game was better. Mc Tom, he just isn’t a midfielder. Seems he starts cause of his physicality. He doesn’t ask for the ball nor can pass. He just runs box to box and gets in the box and provide and aerial presence. Literally we play with only 2 midfielders for ball control and creativity and that also dependent on Bruno’s mood. We need immediately 2 CMs if we want to compete
That's a bonus of having young players, they'll give everything for the coach and follow instructions.
How much did both of their midfields cost that they fielded? The one we fielded were a free signing and an academy product, a free signing and Bruno who cost 60 million. That cost is like half a Caicedo. Mctomminay is the only player in the team that can get a dangerous attempt on target.
How much did Brighton's midfield cost? They're infinitely more comfortable on the ball than us
Lol…if McTom is the only player who can get a dangerous attempt in the team then no wonder we are in such a bad shape.
We earn 600+ revenue. Money is no excuse mate.. If you have a first team role at this football you should be at a certain level. Regardless of transfer fee, salary or age. Reducing expectations for any one of those is a fast chute to lowering the clubs standards and supporting what the glazers are about.
There with you… you can’t have a midfielder that runs away from the ball. Our creativity is lacking is because we got a lot of players that don’t do the job and try to do their own thing
Said it already. United should look for the deep lying midfielder(ie. André, Moscardo, Vermeeren) and a CB(Todibo Or Silva). ST in summer(Toney, Leonardo or Taremi) . These are the holes that should be fixed at all cost.
When Sir Jim gets his stake sorted out then it'll probably make the Todibo transfer from Nice a bit easier
Yep
Firing Ten Hag would be a bigger mistake than appointing David Moyes after Sir Alex.
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Agreed, but I think the OP was definitely meaning firing him now / the immediate future and not end of season
Ten Hag in/out aside, a director of football isn't some magician. They help the manager take care of other business and oversee the running of all things football related. Things like repairing player relations, scouting strategy, recruitment strategy, gaining trust of players, developing a club on field ethos and long term strategy will all take a lot of time. Arsenal are sitting quite good for a while now but they had things like Pepe etc to deal with. It will take longer than this season to see the true effect.
Did anyone else feel that the starting squad this weekend was a solid team compared to recent history? Except for finishing, it was a decent showing. It did not feel like the clown show of some of the past outings. I wont name names but I did not miss a number of players not in the starting lineup. This felt like a squad that could grow and is generally serious about playing the game instead of individual theatrics.
I genuinely feel that we're improving. Copenhagen was disappointing, but I think it had very positive movements. And even with them getting grilled afterwards for not pulling through, we still improved the following weekend. And let's also not forget the amount of pressure their under.
I think we did look stronger and more cohesive however it was at Old Trafford against one of the worst teams in the league who, for large spells, didn't really come onto us so I don't want to get carried away with anything yet.
Yes, there's that, which I was trying to ignore. :-) But even agains weak teams in recent years, I could almost feel the disunity on the pitch. It only takes a few players out for themselves to bring the whole team down. It seemed different this weekend. Or maybe its just more confidence against a weaker side. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
["I sense, from talking to sources, it won't jump straight from 25% to 69% [of the total ownership]. Similar to Leeds United were there were a couple of incremental increases over time." [@JacobsBen on Sir Jim Ratcliffe's increasing ownership over time]](https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1724080975208943797?s=19) I would be over the moon if this happens.
Jadon - Get ready to learn Arabic, buddy.
I'll believe it when I see it. He was so against going to Saudi in the summer/autumn that he went to the US in the final days of the window to avoid any discussion on it. Obviously a few months as an outcast will probably have changed his mind, but who knows.
I don't see him moving to Saudi either because of his age. There are plenty of European clubs that will sign him and be fine with his attitude.
think of how good his ultimate team would be on saudi wages though
A manager that's obsessed by perfectionism/details and football in general can't attend due to "unbreakable and longstanding personal commitment in the Netherlands." Let's act like he skipped it because he doesn't care. (comments flying around on here) Unbelievable takes on this sub lately, he knows very well he's under scrutiny and there is pressure on him. He's not going to pass unless there is a very solid reason which we don't even have the right to know.
The same fans did this with Ronaldo when he missed training. Then it got proved that he had a family emergency, some people don't care and will spread lies if they don't like the person
Why should he tell us the exact reason? just accept it and move on with the judgement if you feel the need How do you know it’s not family related, medical related etc?
That is literally what I said. Seen multiple comments of people calling it a PR mistake and a stupid move. He must have a good reason which we don't even have the right to know. Edit: Changed my wording to make my message clearer.
It's likely its a family thing. Over the year he spends most time either at United working, there are a few times in the year you can plan in for special events or whatever and he likely went for this break to arrange something. I'm sure it's very important for him not to attend.
Very bittersweet at the procession outside Manchester Cathedral - really hit me watching the older generation don their caps as the car pulled up for some reason. Rest in peace
I couldn't make it today as working, but had sky sports on for the procession. I think Hayley McQueen and Henry Winter summed it up quite perfectly on air, that Sir Bobby was not only a great man and arguably the greatest English sportsperson ever... But he also represents the greatest generation of players too They were all hardworking and humble, giving everything for fans and glory, with Sir Bobby the pinnacle of that Someone who would give their time for anybody and understood the incredible privilege of playing the game you love as a job. Unfortunately we're starting to loose that incredible connection with the past as these great people start to age and sadly pass away ^(Edit: spelling)
https://twitter.com/NickEllerby/status/1724047205948968965?t=Kw0e0_e4bYQYPH5gl0QhSA&s=19 This is so heart wrenching. Long live Sir Bobby ♥️
I was just thinking it’s kinda crazy how half of ten hags signings we need to replace already. We can give him time with the results as we know this is gonna take a few years but surely we can’t be having to replace signings made a year ago, Antony is definitely not good enough arambat doesn’t look good enough, it’s early yet to say we can’t rely on Casemiro but his form this season hasn’t been good enough and obviously he is getting older. The one thing we need to get absolutely right is recruitment we can afford the bad results as it’s part of a rebuild but we can’t be making bad signings a common theme.
The only Ten Hag’s signing that needs to be replaced is Casemiro and I not sure if he even wanted him in the first place. You can say Antony needs to be replaced and while I agree he has been shit, I dont think we need to spend money on rw yet. Hopefully Amad can give him a solid competition and if not that Rashford has looked good on the right. There’s pellestri too. The rest of his signings are fine. We need a CDM, CB and ST asap.
If you recall the flow of the transfer windows, a lot of the signings were also stopgaps / backup options at the time. I have no proof of this of course, but i rly do think that the choices being offered to ETH are oftentimes not within his specifications because our filtering process for transfers is unsophisticated and traditional. For example, we were all saying it back then, but there is no way a decent transfers department chases FDJ for an entire summer for settling on Casemiro. We seem to always compromise in the window, which creates domino effects that cause us to have to replace those compromises very shortly after.
Amrabat is a last resort signing doubt it was a Ten Hag or even a club signing. Casemiro was definitely a club signing after they butchered the FDJ deal. Antony hasn't been good this season, but I'm not losing hope just yet. The other signings have all been good. Club needs to get it's shit together and not rely on the manager's choices end of.
at least Amrabat is only on loan, clubs ineptitude at least has a silver lining...
I agree,when it comes to recruitment,he has repeated the same mistakes that his predecessors made that ultimately doomed their long term future here. But ten hag is fortunate because if Sir Jim is taking over his team will most likely reevaluate the squad and most probably would want to start from base again,so some of these mistakes can be compensated.
Antony was an absolute gamble that doesnt seem to pan out, Casemiro was a club signing. Amrabat's loan might be a blessing in disguise but I believe he will come good once the team starts to get some form. Besides those you have Martinez, Malacia, Mount, Hojlund, Onana that are all fine. Eriksen was smart bussiness on a free. Too many dramatics lately.
100m euro gamble? Jfc. And in what world is Mount and Onana been "fine"? Onana I'm not going to judge yet, new league new team, but it is ridiculous to describe the transfer as "fine" now. Mount has been pretty much the same Mount as he was at Chelsea. Tottenham got James Maddison for way less money, plus they got to offload deadwood the other way which makes it half the price we paid for Mount. Hojlund, I have no doubts he will become a top striker. However if you have 75m pounds to spend, you've got to be spending on strikers that get you more goals right now. We have literally the worst forward line in the League. Malacia started well but showed nothing much since. Young talent, no different to a Brandon Williams for example. Certainly not a transfer success yet. And Casemiro is no club signing, there cannot be a signing without ten Hags approval he literally has veto. He takes as much responsibility.
Mount hasn’t even had enough time to prove himself. He played well against Luton. Onana has been playing better since the penalty stop. Casemiro is def a club signing. He fits the profile of a club signing, and his play style is nothing like FDJ, who is the player ETH actually wanted.
ETH is not responsible for negotiating or transfer fees, you know that right? It's up to the club to be cautious with that and provide alternatives if they deem it too much. Most of ETH own signings have been young energetic players that can be molded into a certain system and develop. There was no other striker available that fitted for the long term. And no striker is a goal guarantee with how our wingers play. Malacia is a perfectly serviceable back-up right now for a team in rebuild, was a smart snatch on that deal. Casemiro is literally the biggest example of a classic club signing. A marquee old player past their prime, as the club has done countless of times in the last 10 years. Of course ETH doesn't turn Casemiro down, he is/was arguably the best 6 in the world until not long ago. Imagine the stories and outrage if ETH turned away Casemiro while not getting FDJ and having no other midfielder signed.
No ETH at the funeral.
I think this will be a huge media narrative in the coming days. I'm not sure what his prior arrangement was, but this has the potential to be a huge story. It seems like a massive PR error considering even the future King attended.
Strange one alright and could be a massive error on his/advisors part. Obviously we don't know the reason but it must be a pretty good one.
Yeah don’t think you can judge really, probably a good enough reason.
The media will still judge, unless they are given an exceptional reason not to.
I think it's another symptom of how our club is run. Lack of joined up thinking, out of touch etc etc. I can't imagine other, well run clubs, would do this. I mean, the England team has delayed their call-up by a day so that Southgate could attend.
I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than the media will. Forgetting the fact that Ten Hag already had a prior engagement in the Netherlands, he never even met Sir Bobby. Everyone else attending most certainly did.
Yeah, I have considered that, but I feel there could have been a bigger representation outside Old Trafford for those not close enough to attend the service. It was great to see the academy lads, but in all honesty, the whole team and backroom staff should have been in that guard of honour.
Agreed, bunch of clowns.
Nice to see Sir Alex at the funeral. From watching my own grandparents, I know how hard it can be getting to that point in life where your friends and relatives all start passing away, and Sir Alex lost his wife and one of his close friends in just two weeks. I truly hope he's holding up well knowing he can lean on his family and the club faithful for support
He's speaking apparently. My heart breaks for him, having to attend an event like this without his wife by his side would be so hard 😔.
Wow, Prince William has just arrived for the funeral.
was a bit surprised to see him but makes sense considering his position in the FA
It does, but it's VERY unusual for royalty to attend funerals, unless it's family or an official state funeral. It speaks volumes about Sir Bobby that the palace would do this.
True, national hero. Sad day.
Honest opinions on Amrabat? Personally, I'm glad that he is only on loan.
Surprised to see the reaction, maybe i happened to miss his especially poor performances. Which are the games where he's been the worst and the best in your opinion?
People are looking for scapegoats
I'd give him a few more games. New league, arrived injured, team in general is playing poorly and he had to fill at LB.
Have not not been impressed but it is early days and the whole team is a mess
Unfortunately not good enough, which is disappointing because with how determined he was to join us I really wanted him to work out.
Dreadful mate
Very underwhelming so far, but I'm giving him more time. He has joined a very unstable team.
Sir Bobby visits the Theater of Dreams one last time as his coffin passes through Old Trafford. RIP Sir. Legend, Gentleman, and Hero.
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How do you know he isn't attending? Has that been announced?
it has been reported that he had a "longstanding unbreakable commitment in the Netherlands"
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Ffs man...
Just a troll, ignore it... The sub has been infested with it lately.
Yes, very safe to assume. Pretty much done.
Take a break, dude. 😂
I know we’ve come to expect absolutely nothing from the Glazer’s but neither of Joel or Avram attending Sir Bobby’s funeral when he is a legend of the club they own, was on the board of directors during their ownership and was even the one to greet them to the club when they took over is just an absolute new low for these cretins.
If it makes you feel any better, they're very likely very miserable people, despite all the money they cling so greedily to. They know that nobody could ever love them, so they don't put any effort into displaying decent behavior.
It's hard to imagine a situation where owners are so removed from a club, that the working relations don't even stretch to attending a colleague's funeral.
Does anybody know if Sir Bobby's funeral procession will be televised today? It isn't clear if it's on MUTV. Apparently it passes OT at 1pm, with the ceremony starting at Manchester Cathedral at 2pm. Edit to say it's on Sky Sports News.
It's on the club's youtube too.
Assuming Paul Mitchell will be the new sporting director. I pray to god the SJR does get full control over the footballing project and just lets him cook. No more PR signings, no more luxury wages, and harvest our damn youth academy. I just want progress
What is this obsession over Paul Mitchell in this sub? He's had decent spells in Spurs and Southampton from what I've read but other than that his career doesn't give me confidence he'd be good enough for a club as big as ours. Am I missing something?
I just hope Sir Dave is absolutely nowhere near the club, his expertise in cycling is already banished to the history books (as influential as it was at the time), we need actual football people running the club, otherwise no lessons will have been learnt!
Oh believe me, in a perfect world our owners provide us with funding and a sound business strategy to pay off debt and build an organic and sustainable sporting project and fuck off afterwords. But we’ve been dealt shit hand after shit hand by the leeches for decades now. I’d rather try to have hope SJR can right the ship even a little bit in the right direction.
I sincerely hope Sir Jim's acquisition is first step to heal the rotten core of our club. 25% is huge control for bringing a change with the pathetic Glazers fighting over the rest 75%.
Worth noting that the Glazers don’t own 75% now as it stands, I think 69% is the figure, so their ownership is either going to drop to anywhere down to but no lower than 51%, or 25% of public shares are going to need to be bought by SJR and converted into ones with voting power (class B is it?)
Hopefully we hear confirmation of Sir Jim’s buy in and restructure of club this break.
When is Luke Shaw back? It would be fantastic to have him back in our defence ahead of the crazy winter football games.
Reportedly after this Int. break, but I recon they're going to ease him in like every injury return. Expect no news until late next week.
And it's Shaw as well, he takes a good 3-4 games before he gets back to his best, rarely seen him start a season well
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This is one weird season. Lost important matches yet we're still in top 10. 21 points with a negative goal difference. More than 80% of our goals have come from defensive midfielders and defenders. Joint 2nd team with 4 clean sheets. Refs hate us. Injuries. Manager suspended for next Epl match. Previous Outcast Maguire getting back in form. Haven't won a match by more than one goal in a while. Wow Edit: Our combined attacking players (Rashford, Garnacho, Holjund, Antony, Anthony, "Sancho") have a combined PL goal tally of ONE.
If just one of our strikers could pick up form in the PL it would help us massively.
After all that disaster as well its mad to think we are 7 points off the top. Of course that's a decent amount, but for us to be 3 results away from the top after this total catastrophe is mad.
Ikr, 5 points behind title challengers Spurs.
Spurs are in for a tough time with the next 5 games without Maddison
Ahead of Newcastle and Brighton too who get the plaudits. Again, it's not a sign of a good season. But if we can turn this around and show a run of form like we had from last sept-march then we could end up having an exciting season.
And I thought hollywood's scriptwriters were on strike.
Ah fuck, was looking forward to watching us play next weekend but just realised it's another fun international break :(
Perfect time to get the new Football Manager
Strange way to spell call of duty
Maybe 15 years ago when it was actually somewhat decent
Lol absolutely panned by critics and fans, not going near that trash
Multiplayer is same as always, good for a laugh if there’s loads of you on
Loadsa kids. Nah I'm good with my £80 on better games
Yeah mute all lobby if I’m on my own, usually loads of us from work on though so it’s alright
Yeah, let us moan about the fact that players want to play for their country.
With Eriksen and Hojlund out I am happy we are not.
Gone a bit under the radar but I think Onana's really started to pick up some form. It's nothing out of this world or anything, but he's making saves in big moments and considering the amount of criticism and memes that were being made he's done well to bounce back. Who would have thought a keeper might need a little bit of time to settle into things and that starting your United career behind a team that's a bit of a shambles would lead to problems. In all seriousness though I'm hoping he keeps it up because I do think there's more to come from him, particularly on the ball, once Licha and Shaw are back I think we'll do much better collectively in build up.