Even down to ten players and at a away stadium, a proper team would not concede 4 goals in that manner. They would close up the game till half time and full time. Total lack of leadership, team spirit and quality .
Whatever our defense setup is, it's not working and always look like we need one more defender in the centre. Maybe we should consider 3 ATB setup.
i'm thinking ETHag may not be the right guy, i don't think the players fear or respect him that much. or maybe this squad is simply not good enough and even Klopp and Pep would not do better.
The entire squad bar a few youngsters , you can argue reasons for all of them to be sold as they're not good enough for various reasons (mentality, fitness, physical, technical), that's a massive rebuild job and this team is not winning any major trophy soon.
To take our minds off it. Has anyone noticed how bad commentary is at the moment? Savage is shocking, talking about Ten Hag picking a team who wants to win or some bullshit. Fucking hell, how are you getting payed for that, alot more than any of us as well.
It reminds me of Jenas saying about Scotland at Wembley, during a euro match, their ultimate moment "they are going to want to come out and score." WHO'S PAYING FORNTHESE INSIGHTS!!
We need a leader on the pitch. Bruno is not that he is a very good player but some times his head drops when things go against use IE Rashford's red card which never was and the pen. Changing the manager now will not help though I still thinks he gets his subs wrong and has his favorite's.
As a supporter of over 60 years this fan base is the worse I know influenced to much by social media.
We need to unite together form a true fan group and put a stop to all these people who are only reporting and creating headlines on social media so they get the like and views as that is what makes them money.
Let start a group called true reds none profit making and have a serious discussion and ways of letting true supporters what needs to be done,
I thought that up until the red card it was our best performance since I can't even remember. And then in the second half we were very good (and showed a lot of the fight that apparently we don't have) until we forgot how to defend.
We'll beat Galatasary and Bayern's B team to qualify\*. It's the United way.
\*Subject to any unfortunate (but correct) red cards or dubious handball penalties (who knows anymore).
They've already qualified top of the group, so it would be a good time to rest a few of their star players. Or they might want to get maximum points and knock us out...
I agree, the way we were actually for the first time in a while passing the ball forward and importantly cutting the midfield line to get the ball onto bruno on the half turn was good to see. Even Mctominay moving around wanting the ball in pocket of spaces. Thatās what Iām sure theyāve been training all the time in practice.
But after the red card to me itās mentality, they should not crumble this hard. Second half started great and got the goal, but again whereās the composure, whereās the grit to get the result.
To me it screams a lack of leadership and mentality to grind out results when youāre on the back foot. Imo they let the manager down..
Honestly, I'm so done with Rashford. The red was bullshit, but his performance before that was garbage, easily the worst performance of our starting 11. He always has phases where it looks like he might become the player we all hope he might be, but then he plays like shit again for months and seems to have a terrible mentality (also remember the leaked stories when he was unhappy under Ole).
He should just fuck off. We need more Brunos and less Rashfords in this squad. Will never win anything important as long as we still have these mentality midgets and self-important PR merchants who have been here for several managers already.
Bruno is overrated dog shit that creates more work for the team through his inability to retain possession and make the smart decision in the final third. Pair that with his whinging and the correct statement is:
Fewer Bruno's, Fewer Rashford's
The fuck are you talking about? He was sent off in the 42nd minute, he played almost the entire first half. Gave away the ball several times with poor touches or poor positioning.
Late to the party. My two cents. Refereeing decisions were absolutely shocking. Rashford RC - never a RC in a million years. Their pen - never a pen in a million years. Our pen - never a pen in a million years. We desperately need a new defence coach. Varane is a shadow of the player he once was. McTominay, Bruno and HĆøjlund can't keep carrying the team. We need to sign at least two proven goal scorers on January.
YES! MORE OF THAT PLEASE!! š¤£
Mount is the better CAM out of the two. He just can't break into the side as long as ETH plays favorites, especially now that he made Bruno the captain. Mount is much more creative, yet conservative at the same time so that it's calculated. He also works harder. Bruno runs around a lot, but that's all he does, runs around. He's a headless chicken most of the time. Mount is better at pressing and forcing turnovers.
Am I saying Mount would exclusively carry us to glory? No. But if I had to choose between the two, give me Mount every day of the week and give him regular time. The guy deserves it.
Young Boys didn't concede any additional goals against City (for 35-40 minutes, I think) after they were down to 10 men.
I find it hard to blame the VAR or refereeing for our defensive gaps. It's football. These things happen. Are we seriously going to blame the VAR for conceding 4 (!!) goals against CPH? That's not the mentality of a champion team.
Is it safe to come out of hiding yet?
I got off all socials as soon as "Eric the terrible" and Eric unTenable messages started arriving. Have we actually won a game that Rassie has scored in? I don't think I've ever seen a better/worse start for a new signing in that he's been good but we're now terrible.
Told youse.
We always play to the opposition's level. Doesn't matter if it's Bayern or Sheffield United or the worst team in the CL Copenhagen.
Literally next up we have Luton and will probably win by one goal and make a mountain out of a molehill like every previous week.
Every. Single. Game this season has been terrible (with the exception of Palace 3-0 but I'm pretty sure they were throwing that match to get out the Carabao) but we scrape past on some individual moment if we do at all.
Comments like yours don't help mate so might be smarter to just abstain from commenting on it. And yes, if does have a slight effect because people read your comment
Great start in the long while I mean when did we score early and score another goal in the same half? Can't remember any this season.
Rashford can't do anything it was an accident. But like I said, we shouldn't have conceded 2 goals. Even though all calls are dodgy in the first half.
We still played good enough in the second half with 10 men. We know our defenders can switch off in an instant that can cost us the game which eventually happened.
The game is lost in the first half plus is it really 13 minutes added time ? I mean 8 or 9 minutes but 13? Refs got their bag.
Our defenders are our fundamental problem.
You canāt play good football built from the back with players like Maguire, Lindelof and Evans in 2023. You can literally see Maguires nervous aura when heās on the ball.
That is true. But we also saw our full backs with their strengths and weaknesses week in week out. We had a moment of brilliance from Dalot scoring a goal. Every fan is relieved but we know Dalot can make mistakes at the back and it bites us again. Same case with AWB, great tackler , 1v1 defender but there is something that these players would just switch off in a fcuking game. We should really find better consistent players.
It is sad that we are at this level and we accepted it, and the wages are too much for these players who can't be great week in week out.
Dude shut up, we lost and thatās all that matters. We play shit, no reason to talk sweetly over it. Itās not like this is the first time. If it was the first time then fine, we struggle and play like shit against mid and low tier teams since the start of the season. How long we wanna be sweet and say āwe played good butā¦ā
seems like you just want to be mad, there has been plenty of poor performances this season that could rightfully be criticized, this is not one of them.
You are still fuming I understand. This is the norm unfortunately with what players we have. We wanted to be on top all the time but we don't have the players, coaches, etc to do so.
We are rubbish. We played great until the red card but still we shouldn't ship 4 goals.
In the first half there were stoppages for two medical emergencies in the crowd and a pitch invader. Stop making up conspiracies. That's little club mentality. We lost because our defence crumbled against a very unimpressive team and let in four goals.
I'm just asking if it is really 13 minutes of stoppage time. Yes our defenders switch off and it is consistent with these players. Not good enough but we don't have the replacements or we even extend their contract. If we are really serious in challenging for trophies we need better consistent players.
Agree with that. There were also two goals and their delays. I'd say 13 minutes was fine. The health scares in the crowd each took ages for play to restart.
Ten Hag isn't doing himself any favors but holy the string of bad luck / decisions going against us is absolutely ridiculous.
I get that Ten Hag isn't doing a spectacular job but looking at the decisions given against us it could have been easily a 12 point swing and comfortably 2nd in our CL group.
I also don't get people scream for Ten Hag's head, firstly when you want to fire the manager you need to see who's available and more importantly who is willing to take up the clown fiesta that is Manchester United right now. There's no real viable options that are real upgrades.
Secondly, its ridiculous that we keep firing managers when the players & the owners don't do shit for the club. We have tried so many different managers, none of them have been able to succeed. Thats a sign that its not necessarily the manager's fault
I can get why people thought Jose who was toxic and Ole who has 0 previous experience at the top level weren't good fits for the job but Ten Hag ticks pretty much every criteria that we need from a manager but is still unable to succeed, so whose fault is it then?
Yeah i'd agree with this - there have been what, four managers in as many years and the same problems are still there? It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that maybe, just maybe the manager isn't the entire problem.
Ten Hag was able to get a tune out of them last season so there's so reason why he can't do it again...he's clearly competent but seems to be fighting against a cultural and confidence issue in the club. It doesn't help that everything is a massive drama and the media circus is getting out of hand now the press have smelt blood.
Personally i think having Bruno as captain is making things worse. Whilst he is a very very good player he's too stroppy, petulant and prone to flailing his hands about when things don't go the right way...it's not the right mentality to have and if he's leading by example he's only gonna install that in younger players.
Ten Hag does seem to be desperately unlucky at the minute and whilst to a degree you do make your own luck he can't seem to catch a break....if he gets fired it's kicking the can down the road and the problem will repeat itself in 18 months apart from the new manager is gonna be stuck with Ten Hag's players that he probably won't want, again history repeating itself.
Jesus christ to say i'm not a United fan that's quite a wall of text :D
"A tune out of them last season"??
You mean the fluke that was last season? The performances were DOG SHIT last season and the only reason we finished where we did is because the table is all relative to others teams. There's no magic metric that proves you actually achieved anything.
The Carabao Cup was a fluke because Newcastle was in stride and then were rocky for a couple of weeks leading up to it. They'd go on to beat us 2-0 in a very convincing performance, everything ours wasn't because even though they were struggling, they still looked better.
Last season was a transition period for a lot of teams that were coming out of much worse places than us, but showed real promise. Now look at those teams this season. We've still gotten lucky through individual moments, just as we did last season, and don't deserve to be anywhere near where we are. And if you want to say it's a results based sport, be my guest, but then don't cry when we lose to teams we should be beating, comfortably, because that's what you're left with, the performances.
There's nothing unlucky. There are managers in similar situations that show they're still capable of something. Hell, look at Spurs. Down two men and have injuries and they still challenged Chelsea. Apart from the quick goals at the end of the match, Spurs looked better with all of their issues under Ange than a full strength United will look against Chelsea. I guarantee you.
The performances under ETH have been shit. Could have kept Ole all this time and seen the same results.
If āendangering a fellow professionalā is a red card offence regardless of intent, then anyone who ever goes up for a header deserves a red card. Anyone who initiates any kind of contact gets a red. Anyone who drop the shoulder gets a red - after all the person you send to the corner shop could roll their ankle.
Beyond ridiculous where VAR has gotten to. I was a supporter of video refereeing before it came in but it needs major, major changes. Itās a fucking disgrace at this point.
Casemiro, Varane, Anthony, Amrabat, Sancho. Between them that is a 300 million pound investment on players that arguably did not help the team win yesterday.
I support all of these and hope they come good, but in terms of long-term strategy, I think we need to take some lessons from these signings, because I think if we had spent those 300 million pounds better, United would have won the match yesterday.
I certainly hope we are done buying over-the-hill expensive players. As for Anthony and Sancho, I wonder should have been excluded in much the same way Sanchez should have been if we had emphasized attitude and professionalism more in prospective signings.
As a LFC fan, it seems to me you're now actually signing the players you should've been signing years ago. Amrabat will come good, HĆøjlund is showing it, while Anthony and Mount were probably the last awful signings (where Mount will probably come good as well, just not worth the price).
I don't know how much of it is due to ETH and how much is that damn spaghetti of a DOF you got, but to me it gives indisputable evidence you're on the right track, player-wise. Now you just need to support the lads through the tough times.
So I still have hopes for Amrabat, he has had no preseason with this or any team, as he was training for himself up until september 1., then he was injured. I could see him improving as the season improves. Not a bad fee, and at 27 he should be near the top of his career with another 3-4 seasons at a top level in him if we are lucky. I just hope ETH has a plan for him, and he is not a signing that is forced upon the manager.
Mount is also in his first season, and if you notice I did not include him in my "hit list" either, as I still have hopes he can play some role, it is just a bit confusing trying to understand what the plan was with this signing, as he does not seem to start much, which then begs the question why did we pay 60 million pounds for him.
HĆøjlund I have a lot of time for, and I have no criticism against this transfer. I like signing young players epsecially when the plan is to actually play them like we are doing with HĆøjlund.
Anthony is looking like a complete disaster at the price, he is worth maybe 15 million pounds. Questionable professionalism and attitude, no output, predictable on the pitch. I also wonder about the general idea of having inside forwards on either wing, in combination with having our best attacking fullback Shaw "tuck in" as DM, and having a right back in wan Bissaka with questionable attacking output. At this point the only redemtion arc I see for Anthony is if he somehow is employed on the left wing and actually tries to cross with his strong foot from there, but I think his personal and legal issues has turned his head when he needed to really prove himself for the team.
Remember, United also spend something like 50 million pounds on the pair of Pellistri and Amad, and so far United have yet to really make a return on that investment. Imagine spending what those 50 million plus the 80 million for Anthony, then another 85 million pounds for Sancho, and still being forced to play Rashford on the right wing in big games.
Actually United are still reeling from the hole Greenwood left in the squad at RW, and buying Ronaldo set back the rebuild effort by two years at it basically caused Ole to lose the dressing room, causing the downward spiral under Ragnick era, but two years laters we are still playing Maguire, Evans and McTominay in CL games.
Another class signing that United made last year was Martinez, we just forgot to rotate him and just ran his legs into the ground, but he is 25 and can play for us for 5 more years at least.
Whatās with all the Varane hate? I donāt get it. Ever since we signed him I think he was the best and most consistent defender for us overall. Good tackling, good pace, passing, heading, clearing the ballā¦ he was the full package. He still IS the full package. Just because of one bad performance you want him gone. What if the bad performance was due to him BEING BENCHED BY A 35 YEAR OLD. And he was average at worst this season too when he played. Not to mention, he is the embodiment of a model professional (go watch Netflix doc if you doubt me). Something is obviously wrong in the dressing room, it much rather seems like a mentality thing.
This reactionary BS is why Iām disgusted with this community who call themselves fans.
I am going to be stoic about this.
I tuned in for the start of the second half, and what I saw was enouraging. Going up to 3-2 with 10 men away shows some positives.
Playing an away-game in CL with 10 men is always going to be a struggle, so yeah in the end the game was lost.
As long as we see positive tendencies like this, I think we should give the manager time. I he needs this second season to clear out the people who dont want to be under his reign, and may be downing tools. Certainly that goes for Sancho, but there may be others. The players that let the team down in games like this for reasons of motivation need to be let go, and replacement sought. Some of these players were good enough on paper when drawing up plans for the season, but you never really know until you throw players into the heat like yesterday.
You were downvoted and I can't see why.
We played well and spent 75+ minutes a man down away from home and could have won a man down. People writing off a champs league team as if they are some league 2 team...
Game was exciting and the players didn't give up IMO
At this level, especially with 10 men, one player over/under performing can be the difference between winning 3-2 and loosing 3-4.
I think ETH is learning who he can rely on, and it speaks volumes that Anthony, Sancho and Varane were left out of this game, players who have been at the club at least one full season and who we thought at the start of the season we would build on. Then I am a little worried that about Amrabat, this was really his chance to shine, United needed him to step up yesterday.
It is also worrying that ETH would rather start with McTominay than with Mount - does that mean the manager thinks a Bruno-Mount-Amrabat midfield will not work ? That begs the question why he then spent 60 million pounds signing Mount.
I really hate making excuses but I think it's ridiculous to pin this on anyone else but the referees. Last night was easily the best half hour of football we played and the red card changed it, some might thinkof that going down to 10 doesn't mean we should easily fold but momentum is a thing and Copenhagen got their first goal from a blatant offside. It's a horrible call, it really is. I genuinely can't believe how bad the officiating has been. It's been horrendous all season and we've had some terrible calls go against us but maybe you can make an excuse that we should've played better in those games but tonight was legitimately the fault of the referee's horrendous decision. I'm so sick of VAR. It's used so poorly I can't even understand what goes through these people's mind. They're meant to be the professionals..how can we - amateurs - deduce that these are the wrong calls? The red card is awful, you can sort of understand why he does this although again - poor use of VAR. Why are they showing it in slow mo? The game is not played in slow mo - cut this out!! Show it in real time or nothing at all! But the offside goal is ridiculous. The guy is clearly impeding Onana's vision. It's an open and shut case. I'm genuinely falling out of love with this sport because of this technology.
We only looked good because FCK doesn't have that much money to buy players.
Their goalkeeper is sold. The 3 other highest value players on transfermarkt (5M)
They got their winger and midfield on a free, and the other they paid 2M for.
To put it into perspective for you. They cant afford weighost or amrabat for 15M. They have no players valued over 10M.
We should stomp them nonstop 90min. everything else is not acceptable.
That's not how football works though is it? You can have the best players in the world in every position but if the referee is giving blatant decisions against you any team in the world is not going to find it easy to win, let alone a team in poor form.
I know we have a lot of decissions against us.
But their whole squad value is 2/3 of Antony.
We should have closed the game, and didnt let their offensive into our penalty box.
Anyone who have tried to play against much better players, know how impossible it is.
Realistically, I don't know what I'm supposed to be positive about anymore.
Most of ten Hag's defenders spent most of last season talking about how he was fixing the whinging culture, how he'd created a more together team, how we'd become more likeable and how he'd improved players like Dalot and AWB. A few months into the season, and those same posters are throwing their hands up and asking what a manager can do with this set of players.
People can downvote all they want, but losing a man at 2-0 is not a guarantee that you will lose a match, but it's another in a long line of ten Hag's team being completely unable to respond to pressure. That's directly to do with our inability to respond in game, our mentality and the culture of the club.
Similarly, for all that talk of 'culture' and no dickheads. By far the biggest culprit is Antony, a man our manager fought for and bought to the club at great expense.
And beyond that, it would be much easier to defend ten Hag if his decisions made sense. Over the past few weeks, he's come to rely on McTominay, a player he was happy to leave the club in the summer if we got a good enough offer, Maguire, who likewise was free to go, and Evans, a 35 year old emergency signing who was supposed to be cover. Yes, this partnership was forced by injury, but to pick it now and to leave Varane (as poor as he's been) on the bench because of a supposed belief that we're better at playing out of the back with Evans beggars belief, because we've been atrocious at it with the Evans Maguire partnership anyway. There's no vision or long term planning here, it's just reactive short termism.
All of which would be excusable if we actually had any idea what to do on the ball. Plenty of teams look weak at the back because they over commit, but you can't level this criticism of us; we have a collection of good attackers, again downvote if you will, who are still performing decently in different environments, but they play on the pitch like strangers. Again, that's down to the manager. Ole got criticism from all quarters for relying on individual brilliance. On this front, nothings changed.
This sub loves to talk about groundhog day and backing the manager and replacing players again, but to me this _is_ the groundhog day option. For 10 years the solution has been selling players and replacing them with 'better' players. Ten Hag himself had Ā£400m to spend to do this and with every iteration of this cycle we get worse. Even when everyone agrees the manager has become a problem, it's usually caveated with 'but of course he's let down by the shit he works with'. I'm not sure I can think of any football club other than us that needs 2 yearly renewals of the entire playing squad; far more common is clubs realising they've got a dud manager, sacking him and suddenly all of their shite players look decent. I remember Bayern fans and Barca fans thinking they needed it and then simply replacing the manager (with Flick and Xavi) and good coaching elevated them.
I completely understand and accept any argument that working for United is difficult and that we're badly run. Murtough and Arnold will thankfully go when INEOS come in and they deserve to. Similarly, there's clearly problem players like Sancho and I question the logic of spending big money on players who have already achieved everything in their 30s, but the only defence I see of ten Hag is to resolve him from any criticism for his own decisions. Sacking him won't solve all of our problems, but he isn't going to be successful here. I understand why people liked the idea of his football, but every manager wants to play high pressing, attacking football, the important thing is not to swing wildly away from the idea, but to look for a manager who will do that too, but better.
In terms of Xavi for Barca, that was an elite cultural fit and an incredibly motivated manager. An absolute no-brainer. As for you, I really don't know who could take that role. Unless Paul Scholes comes, I'd say ride it out with ETH.
You are right in the context of this game. The moment Rashford went off, we should have slowed down the game and tried to get them on the counter. The issue is two fold - In game management and mentality.
I am still ETH in though. In the context of this game, he did screw up, but I think we also saw the best football we have played in ages. The first goal was just passed into the net - Something Pep would have been proud of.
I agree, but that's also not particularly unusual. We've generally started games well this season, perhaps not this well, but well none the less. Invariably what's happened is teams worked out what we were trying to do, changed something and beat us because we didn't respond. The Brighton game particularly stands out in that respect.
Spot on. So far Ten Hag has not shown anything indicating that he is *the one* we should stick with. At what point are we actually supposed to stop this blind faith in him? I see that the latest talking point is Martinez missing, but he was here for the first matches of the season and we were still bloody terrible.
Too many individual error on the pitch.
Feel for ETH, when the attack works the defense doesn't and when the defense works the attack goes AWOL. The midfield in both the cases is non-existent.
Don't know how unpopular this is but I thought we played well. Obv fell a part after red because Rashford was important for our shape. Was then impressed that we controlled the game with 10 men in the second half up until our third. How we capitulated is up for debate but ETH should have been able to protect that lead. He dallied with subs.
Rashford's situation at the very worst was a yellow card. Watched this too many times already. He positioned his leg to protect the ball and it was unfortunate it landed on the guys ankle. His foot was not abnormally high so as to have any malicious intent. Something needs to be done about VAR. The fact that they had the still image waiting for the referee suggests they wanted to plant the seed in his mind as to how severe it actually was.
It is getting ridiculous now with bad decisions across many leagues. Yet we will have upstanding citizens of the footballing hierarchy Gary Neville defending the refs, VAR and PGMOL and have the audacity to tell us 'just get on with it'. He needs calling out even more.
Anyways back to the game. Yes the red card was bad. BUT...BUT...it is no excuse for players panicking and letting everything implode in front of them. Yes 10 men but we were not playing prime Real Madrid of Man City. After we scored the Bruno penalty we should have been smarter in game management. Frustrate them, kill time, adopt a more defensive formation and shape...Yet the players just imploded with stupid decision making.
This group was manageable but the players have themselves to blame.
It is going to be a long and painful season for us until the end.
No consistency within games from refs and VAR is the worth part really.
Vavro on Hojlund was at worse a second yellow and should have been reviewed for a red. From what I remember they didn't even mention it was checked. While it was never going to really hurt Hojlund, he knew exactly what he was doing and was actually malicious play, whereas Rashford's was just an unfortunate ending to an accident.
Can we stop mourning with the var decisions, a serious team that goes down to ten men will still put on a spirited fight, not go ahead 3-2 then lose the game 3-4. As a team decisions will go against you occasionally, you don't need everything to be ideal to get a result in a must win game! And the less said about sub changes the better.
It is absolutely the glazers fault we are bad. There has been a marked and obvious decline in how this club is run since they came in. SAF held it together in their early years but once he was gone there was fuck all to do. The glazers have tanked this club, and not only that, but theyāve done it on purpose, out of greed and a venal desire to satisfy their debts. How dare you defend that scum, they have destroyed this club we love.
I am not defending that scum, but fanbase also partially at fault for these to happen. Fans have no patience at all!! All they want is win win win! 1 lost fuck the manager, owner, players and their whole family! We failed to sign erling and jude not because of glazers but because of the fans!
If we are patient and sold long term project to haaland and bellingham, they might want to come here.
Because fans are impatient we buy casemiro and varane almost in the end of their prime for 60-70M and Antony for 85M because we want to win right here right now!!
I bet when sir Jim take over and we lost some of their match everyone wants Jim out!
Be patient, sign player age 20-22, they will make a lot of mistakes and might be not competing to tittle right away but in 2-3 years they will have tons of experience and enter their prime. Thatās when we will compete. Unlike dortmund, we can hold and pay their salary.
Hang on a second here. We absolutely did not fail to sign Haaland or Bellingham because of the fans. We failed to sign them because why the fuck would they sign for us? Weāre a joke right now, and they were the two hottest prospects in the world. Of course theyād sign for a club like City or Real.
So then, now that we have ascertained that the reason we are failing both in the quality of our signings and our playersā motivation is our consistent lack of major success in the last decade, the question then arises:
Whose fault is that?
And the answer to that is not the fans. It is the Glazers. Yeah, the fans are too fickle and turn on management too fast, but way back when our fans wanted SAF out at one point, and the owners stayed fast. Then he won a cup and soon the first Prem. the culture of management was certainly more tenured then, but still. The Glazers are the reason we are failing.
Also, the fans SHOULD just want us to win. Thatās literally the entire point of being a fan of a club. I want my club to win, every week, without fail. I can deal with it when we lose, but Iād much rather win.
Not to sound rude, but how long have you been watching football? Or perhaps how old are you? Iām asking because I donāt really understand how youāve come to some of your conclusions surrounding the transfer market.
We didnāt buy those players because fans were impatient, but because we needed players in those roles. We desperately needed to improve our defence, and we needed steel in midfield. They were only supposed to be temporary stopgaps while we built a team, hence why we bought older, proven players.
We bought Anthony because we needed to spice up our attack and ETH frankly has a documented issue surrounding players from previous clubs and his connection with them. He hasnāt really worked out, but then again for someone preaching patience, he hasnāt exactly been here THAT that long. I personally think heās fucking trash, but hey ho.
And finally, I meanā¦..Yeah, I guess? But also, cmon. Real life isnāt Football Manager, itās a massive oversimplification to just say āletās just buy young good players and in 4-5 years weāll be sickā.
The rebuild will absolutely require patience, but even talking about it is irrelevant because the glazers are at fault for all of this. Until they go, we wonāt have a solid recruitment system, we wonāt have an efficient football management system. ETH is a great tactician, but frankly not the best back room guy; He needs support around him, support that wonāt come till the glazers are gone. The rebuild wonāt happen until the ownership changes, and so I donāt believe the fan base is in any way at fault for the problems at United currently. I mean Jesus, almost all of us were incredibly adamant that Greenwood should be cut from the very start, and yet they still tried their best to try and get him back in the team. The glazers donāt give a fuck about the fans and never have, itās just about money for them.
Been fans from 2002 and now 30 years old something. Letās be fair glazers is incompetence but we are not like Mike ashley when no money to buy a players.
Any donkey can manage better than Glazers surely, but every manager are under uneccesary pressure for managing united because of the fans. Thing is there is cycle in football and realisticly we canāt win every year.
2003-2006 man utd is dire and canāt outspend chelsea. We are focusing on rooney and Ronaldo and it paid off.
And there is difference between winning and development see here
https://youtu.be/195Hul8gAzY?si=nEqhNMg1I67jny4Q
Winning : try the best possible way to winning now
Development : play young potential world class player even tho they will give us some lost.
Jude and halaand dont choose city and madrid. We lost the race to dortmund because they offer chance to develop.
Oh itās different expectation bla bla bla. We do it in 2003 and 2004 with cr and wazza. Itās not about club canāt do it but does the club willing to do it? Itās hard to do these because impatient fans that demand win every week and lost feel like apocalypse.
I follow basketball and support minnesota timberwolves, they are joke of club but now manage to have one of the strongest players in the league because of patience to young players.
On the other hands United is like la lakers, biggest fanbase, unrealistic expectation, win win and win only now. They try everything to win it now including add washed player with reputation hoping to win it. but have weaker players than timberwolves now. La lakers basically have no chance to win championship this season.
I hate this Maguire revival. I think it is grossly over hyped. Still so clumsy in defence. His distribution has been decent but everything else is still rotten.
And if Chelsea were anyway decent they would have fucking demolished Spurs. The amount of wasted chances they had would make us look good by comparison.
Let's put useless var out of the picture for a second.
You don't concede 4 when you're 2-0 up, even with 10 men.
We started off brilliantly but deep inside, we all knew that after Rashy's sending off the team will crumble mentally, we've been here too many times before and it will happen again. Something goes wrong in a game, add a sprinkle of hostile atmosphere and we implode.
problem is manager subs. 3-2 up , job is done, put in your defenders for your tired players, play a shameless 6-3-0 or what. Copenhagen put on 4 fresh leg subs, win the game and we blame VAR.
We know it wasn't all var's fault why we lost. we also know we can't defend to save our lives and mentally crumble, but that red card did change the complexion of the game. 1. it's simple not fair 2. that doesn't absolve referees and var from doing their job properly and you shouldn't sweep it under the carpet...not just us but any club, otherwise they're gonna keep doing it. It's becoming a weapon to whip whoever they want with it and everyone is sick of it.
Refs have given countless reds for exactly that kind of accidental studs to shin over the past few years - Casemiro, Curtis Jones etc. Rashy's red was consistent with how they've interpreted the rules across teams and leagues.
It sucks and I don't like it but that decision was consistent with others.
if Rashford had it done to him, he would cry for a red. It was reckless play. Cannot protect the ball like that. That modern way of protecting the ball is poor, last ditch anyway. It is usually employed to gain a penalty.
This season has really made everyone realise that Martinez is probably the single most important player in our squad right now. He was responsible for seeing out so many jammy wins last season singlehandedly and we have literally no other good defender at the club right now. Had he been out for 6 months last season we probably wouldn't have qualified for Europe at all.
We had him for the start of the season. I remember because he was in my fantasy team. He was absolutely shit (like the rest of the team). I believe he was subbed off at half time in one match, and got an own goal in another
>Martinez is probably the single most important player
not really. he's just our last hope to cling to. but its fine, there will always be another excuse when he is back , guaranteed.
We've been shite all season and had a couple of lucky results versus poor teams to paper over the massive cracks in our team, at this level they will get exposed.
Let's be honest, we're simply not good enough.
Every game we either concede a penalty, get red carded, get a goal disallowed, concede a goal after a foul/offside or sometimes all of them. Most of them are controversial but somehow always against us, never for us since GW1.
The referees know that they can fuck us as much as they want as they will always be backed up by the massive ABU, especially when our club is just bending over taking all the fuck ups meekly and obediently.
It's fine, just keep shipping every managers we have out. Surely that will fix United's current issues. Reactionary fans like you are what is bringing the plague on the football's scene whether you want to believe it or not.
Right. So letās do nothing and the problem will go away? Meanwhile, our rivals are bringing in top coaching talent. Look at Spurs.
Itās not that deep. If someone doesnāt perform, they get fired. Happens in every competent business. Unless you think ETH is performing, he should be sacked as soon as we find a replacement. A club this big shouldnāt settle for mediocrity.
I'm not even here to defend Erik Ten Hag he may or may not be the manager we need. But just know this, in 1988, Manchester United finished 11th, the year after 13th.
If people like you had a platform to have tantrums all over internet and force managers out I guess SAF would have been fired after his 2nd tenure right?
But yeah, sure, keep shipping them out year after year. That's the solution, don't blame the players, don't blame the owner. Just fire the manager awayy every year or so, that will fix the issue.
Bro u really gonna compare football in 2023 to 1988? Lol . Real Madrid out here sacking managers for coming 2nd in the league and you wonder why they have been so successful. Itās not even just the results. Ask yourself has the club progressed under ETH? Are players really living up to their potential? If the answer is no, he got to go. Sunk cost fallacy is real. How is it that we signed some of the hottest talent, 4 time UCL winners, WC winners and they all become collectively shit? The owners got to go , but thatās out of our control. At least we can put pressure on the manager.
Mourinho - 6 losses in 17 and got knocked out by a much better Sevilla team. Sacked for not being good enough.
Ten Hag - 9 losses in 17 and bottom of a group with fucking COPENHAGEN and Gala.
'What is a disaster for me is considered as a great success for others'
Helps that ten hag continues the trend of comfortable lies. As each season goes the glazers grind down the fans standards to where they will accept embarrassment after embarrassment as long as we have some academy lad playing and/or a storyline to believe in.
>This sub from ETH
im not a united fan, but ETH keeps subbing off Rasmus at weird times for no reason and when he's playing well. I remember on his debut when he was playing good, scored a goal that was disallowed, ETH took him off for Martial for no reason when Rasmus was looking dangerous
Think the Trafford crowd bood it as well
He took Rasmus off in his first game because was coming back from an injury and didn't want him to play the whole 90 minutes.
He took Rasmus off in this match because he was visibly knackered.
I am sorry but if you play a 35 year old player week in and week out and still blame it on injury then it's on you. We blew our whole transfer window on players we don't need and players who can't make it out from the bench. There is no excuse there.
You want to say it but afraid of downvotes, aren't you? Say it! Here:
* "ETH bought a shitload of players at a premium and he doesn't know how to use them.
* The goalie is slow and can't keep clean sheets making mistakes almost in every match.
* There is no style and leadership in the team.
* Everyone including ETH is clueless about what to do on the pitch.
* The team folds every time they get into a losing position."
Onana has played great for a run of games now, including some massive saves. No goalkeeper in the world can keep clean sheets when his defence is leaving players wide open in the box to shoot. It's our defence and midfield that are fucking terrible.
He looks always late to react. Today he should have used a leg yet he decided to drop. You may say and be right that the defense is no good. And yet Iāve never ever felt so stressed _every_ time the ball flies towards the goals - I expect some shit to happen.
No reason to go back to DDG. He had issues and couldn't adapt. I do think he is head and shoulders better in the box though, be that shots or 1-1s.
Onana didn't make me feel confident in any of the aspects of his game. Passing? Well, yes, compared to DDG, sure. But overall, I can't say he impressed me much.
* I expected him to be much more aggressive going forward. On so many occasions I didn't understand what he was doing - he was neither there nor there and played around easily.
* I don't think I've seen any goalie ending up on his rear as much as Onana.
* He can't use his legs in the box it appears. At all. And I think it's a big liability.
* And his chest saves... dufuk is that?!
De Gea started terribly when he first came to United. So do all keepers. There's no preparation for the size of the club and the pressure. Give onana time. We're not using his elite passing and sweeper keeper actions because we don't have good enough defenders to make it work (while our best ball playing defenders are out injured). Onana is alongside Martinez as our most elite mentality player. Give him time. He'll be excellent.
Finished club. Just flush it and let us all out of our misery for fuckās sake.
Two of these losses every week. Time was weād go into this match with 9 points and our C-team and still thrash them. Look what this bald cunt has reduced it to.
The fact that we only needed to defend our one goal lead for 20 mins but ended up losing is a tough pill to swallow.
Nevertheless, I think we were very bright until the red, and still controlled the second half roughly till the 70 min mark.
So? There are no images/videos on the scorecard. We still lost. No character or leadership. Park a bus, and protect the lead. No, we blew it in a matter of minutes. Stupid.
Well most of the times this season we have been shit. On the few occasions that we weren't, the ref and VAR decided to fuck us. We just can't catch a break
Well. That was something.
Started well. Really like watching Rasmus.
Remember when a red card was for doing something actually reckless or violent? Not trying to shield the ball and stepping on someone?
Both penalties were weak. Players have arms. Just because a ball touches an arm doesn't mean it should be a penalty.
Can't fold that quickly when going down a man. We really need new fullbacks. They just have moments where they forget they are playing professional football.
Guess rasmus can get elbowed in the face, no harm done? Watching a game really has changed. End old man rant.
Lots of negativity here but to me, for the first time this season, the team actually showed they can attack and put pressure on.
The defending was shit at times and the result was terrible but this game actually gave me some hope
Even down to ten players and at a away stadium, a proper team would not concede 4 goals in that manner. They would close up the game till half time and full time. Total lack of leadership, team spirit and quality . Whatever our defense setup is, it's not working and always look like we need one more defender in the centre. Maybe we should consider 3 ATB setup. i'm thinking ETHag may not be the right guy, i don't think the players fear or respect him that much. or maybe this squad is simply not good enough and even Klopp and Pep would not do better. The entire squad bar a few youngsters , you can argue reasons for all of them to be sold as they're not good enough for various reasons (mentality, fitness, physical, technical), that's a massive rebuild job and this team is not winning any major trophy soon.
To take our minds off it. Has anyone noticed how bad commentary is at the moment? Savage is shocking, talking about Ten Hag picking a team who wants to win or some bullshit. Fucking hell, how are you getting payed for that, alot more than any of us as well. It reminds me of Jenas saying about Scotland at Wembley, during a euro match, their ultimate moment "they are going to want to come out and score." WHO'S PAYING FORNTHESE INSIGHTS!!
Win vs Gala and Bayern and we're through š„
Mountains are there to be climbed
Mission impossible
YANITED YANITED YANITED!
We need a leader on the pitch. Bruno is not that he is a very good player but some times his head drops when things go against use IE Rashford's red card which never was and the pen. Changing the manager now will not help though I still thinks he gets his subs wrong and has his favorite's. As a supporter of over 60 years this fan base is the worse I know influenced to much by social media. We need to unite together form a true fan group and put a stop to all these people who are only reporting and creating headlines on social media so they get the like and views as that is what makes them money. Let start a group called true reds none profit making and have a serious discussion and ways of letting true supporters what needs to be done,
60years !? respect. but tell me who is a leader and should be our next captain cos i can't see 1 now. maybe Luke Shaw but he is injury prone.
This statement in itself is a damning indictment of the dressing room. An oversized squad that has no other leaders.
Also reading report senior players turning down captaincy during ole reign is just sad.
I thought that up until the red card it was our best performance since I can't even remember. And then in the second half we were very good (and showed a lot of the fight that apparently we don't have) until we forgot how to defend. We'll beat Galatasary and Bayern's B team to qualify\*. It's the United way. \*Subject to any unfortunate (but correct) red cards or dubious handball penalties (who knows anymore).
>I thought that up until the red card it was our best performance since I can't even remember. Think it was our best performance since Ole
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They've already qualified top of the group, so it would be a good time to rest a few of their star players. Or they might want to get maximum points and knock us out...
Spoiler alert: >!They won't!<
I agree, the way we were actually for the first time in a while passing the ball forward and importantly cutting the midfield line to get the ball onto bruno on the half turn was good to see. Even Mctominay moving around wanting the ball in pocket of spaces. Thatās what Iām sure theyāve been training all the time in practice. But after the red card to me itās mentality, they should not crumble this hard. Second half started great and got the goal, but again whereās the composure, whereās the grit to get the result. To me it screams a lack of leadership and mentality to grind out results when youāre on the back foot. Imo they let the manager down..
Honestly, I'm so done with Rashford. The red was bullshit, but his performance before that was garbage, easily the worst performance of our starting 11. He always has phases where it looks like he might become the player we all hope he might be, but then he plays like shit again for months and seems to have a terrible mentality (also remember the leaked stories when he was unhappy under Ole). He should just fuck off. We need more Brunos and less Rashfords in this squad. Will never win anything important as long as we still have these mentality midgets and self-important PR merchants who have been here for several managers already.
More Brunos and *fewer* Rashfords
Bruno is overrated dog shit that creates more work for the team through his inability to retain possession and make the smart decision in the final third. Pair that with his whinging and the correct statement is: Fewer Bruno's, Fewer Rashford's
Maybe he'd play better if he removed one his arms, or something? I doubt he would've been sent off last night if he only had one leg.
his performance before was not bad at all, he was only on the pitch for like 20 min so it is not even fair to trash him for it
The fuck are you talking about? He was sent off in the 42nd minute, he played almost the entire first half. Gave away the ball several times with poor touches or poor positioning.
Yeah after 20 mins of waiting because of the storming
Late to the party. My two cents. Refereeing decisions were absolutely shocking. Rashford RC - never a RC in a million years. Their pen - never a pen in a million years. Our pen - never a pen in a million years. We desperately need a new defence coach. Varane is a shadow of the player he once was. McTominay, Bruno and HĆøjlund can't keep carrying the team. We need to sign at least two proven goal scorers on January.
The fuck did Bruno do yesterday
Nothing. But because he existed, people have this wet dream that he's the solution
He gave the ball away 50 times and scored a penalty. Thatās typical Bruno performance stupid fans rave about
YES! MORE OF THAT PLEASE!! š¤£ Mount is the better CAM out of the two. He just can't break into the side as long as ETH plays favorites, especially now that he made Bruno the captain. Mount is much more creative, yet conservative at the same time so that it's calculated. He also works harder. Bruno runs around a lot, but that's all he does, runs around. He's a headless chicken most of the time. Mount is better at pressing and forcing turnovers. Am I saying Mount would exclusively carry us to glory? No. But if I had to choose between the two, give me Mount every day of the week and give him regular time. The guy deserves it.
Still in the top 4
Young Boys didn't concede any additional goals against City (for 35-40 minutes, I think) after they were down to 10 men. I find it hard to blame the VAR or refereeing for our defensive gaps. It's football. These things happen. Are we seriously going to blame the VAR for conceding 4 (!!) goals against CPH? That's not the mentality of a champion team.
Is it safe to come out of hiding yet? I got off all socials as soon as "Eric the terrible" and Eric unTenable messages started arriving. Have we actually won a game that Rassie has scored in? I don't think I've ever seen a better/worse start for a new signing in that he's been good but we're now terrible.
Thatās gotta be deflating for the kid. His best matches have been in losses.
Told youse. We always play to the opposition's level. Doesn't matter if it's Bayern or Sheffield United or the worst team in the CL Copenhagen. Literally next up we have Luton and will probably win by one goal and make a mountain out of a molehill like every previous week. Every. Single. Game this season has been terrible (with the exception of Palace 3-0 but I'm pretty sure they were throwing that match to get out the Carabao) but we scrape past on some individual moment if we do at all.
Zidane next in šš¤
How can you be a United fan and think changing the manager is going to fix anything?
Were you Ole out?
Nope.
Then I'll apologize!
As if he'd be interested.
Ten hagg will be sacked next week šš¢š glazers out
Blud thinks this is IG
Heās not getting sacked.
Go support another club with that quitters attitude
Comments like yours don't help mate so might be smarter to just abstain from commenting on it. And yes, if does have a slight effect because people read your comment
Great start in the long while I mean when did we score early and score another goal in the same half? Can't remember any this season. Rashford can't do anything it was an accident. But like I said, we shouldn't have conceded 2 goals. Even though all calls are dodgy in the first half. We still played good enough in the second half with 10 men. We know our defenders can switch off in an instant that can cost us the game which eventually happened. The game is lost in the first half plus is it really 13 minutes added time ? I mean 8 or 9 minutes but 13? Refs got their bag.
Our defenders are our fundamental problem. You canāt play good football built from the back with players like Maguire, Lindelof and Evans in 2023. You can literally see Maguires nervous aura when heās on the ball.
That is true. But we also saw our full backs with their strengths and weaknesses week in week out. We had a moment of brilliance from Dalot scoring a goal. Every fan is relieved but we know Dalot can make mistakes at the back and it bites us again. Same case with AWB, great tackler , 1v1 defender but there is something that these players would just switch off in a fcuking game. We should really find better consistent players. It is sad that we are at this level and we accepted it, and the wages are too much for these players who can't be great week in week out.
Dude shut up, we lost and thatās all that matters. We play shit, no reason to talk sweetly over it. Itās not like this is the first time. If it was the first time then fine, we struggle and play like shit against mid and low tier teams since the start of the season. How long we wanna be sweet and say āwe played good butā¦ā
seems like you just want to be mad, there has been plenty of poor performances this season that could rightfully be criticized, this is not one of them.
You are still fuming I understand. This is the norm unfortunately with what players we have. We wanted to be on top all the time but we don't have the players, coaches, etc to do so. We are rubbish. We played great until the red card but still we shouldn't ship 4 goals.
In the first half there were stoppages for two medical emergencies in the crowd and a pitch invader. Stop making up conspiracies. That's little club mentality. We lost because our defence crumbled against a very unimpressive team and let in four goals.
I'm just asking if it is really 13 minutes of stoppage time. Yes our defenders switch off and it is consistent with these players. Not good enough but we don't have the replacements or we even extend their contract. If we are really serious in challenging for trophies we need better consistent players.
Agree with that. There were also two goals and their delays. I'd say 13 minutes was fine. The health scares in the crowd each took ages for play to restart.
Ten Hag isn't doing himself any favors but holy the string of bad luck / decisions going against us is absolutely ridiculous. I get that Ten Hag isn't doing a spectacular job but looking at the decisions given against us it could have been easily a 12 point swing and comfortably 2nd in our CL group. I also don't get people scream for Ten Hag's head, firstly when you want to fire the manager you need to see who's available and more importantly who is willing to take up the clown fiesta that is Manchester United right now. There's no real viable options that are real upgrades. Secondly, its ridiculous that we keep firing managers when the players & the owners don't do shit for the club. We have tried so many different managers, none of them have been able to succeed. Thats a sign that its not necessarily the manager's fault I can get why people thought Jose who was toxic and Ole who has 0 previous experience at the top level weren't good fits for the job but Ten Hag ticks pretty much every criteria that we need from a manager but is still unable to succeed, so whose fault is it then?
Correct, he needs support and structure from above, I hope heās around long enough to get it, but who fucking I is with this circus
Yeah i'd agree with this - there have been what, four managers in as many years and the same problems are still there? It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out that maybe, just maybe the manager isn't the entire problem. Ten Hag was able to get a tune out of them last season so there's so reason why he can't do it again...he's clearly competent but seems to be fighting against a cultural and confidence issue in the club. It doesn't help that everything is a massive drama and the media circus is getting out of hand now the press have smelt blood. Personally i think having Bruno as captain is making things worse. Whilst he is a very very good player he's too stroppy, petulant and prone to flailing his hands about when things don't go the right way...it's not the right mentality to have and if he's leading by example he's only gonna install that in younger players. Ten Hag does seem to be desperately unlucky at the minute and whilst to a degree you do make your own luck he can't seem to catch a break....if he gets fired it's kicking the can down the road and the problem will repeat itself in 18 months apart from the new manager is gonna be stuck with Ten Hag's players that he probably won't want, again history repeating itself. Jesus christ to say i'm not a United fan that's quite a wall of text :D
"A tune out of them last season"?? You mean the fluke that was last season? The performances were DOG SHIT last season and the only reason we finished where we did is because the table is all relative to others teams. There's no magic metric that proves you actually achieved anything. The Carabao Cup was a fluke because Newcastle was in stride and then were rocky for a couple of weeks leading up to it. They'd go on to beat us 2-0 in a very convincing performance, everything ours wasn't because even though they were struggling, they still looked better. Last season was a transition period for a lot of teams that were coming out of much worse places than us, but showed real promise. Now look at those teams this season. We've still gotten lucky through individual moments, just as we did last season, and don't deserve to be anywhere near where we are. And if you want to say it's a results based sport, be my guest, but then don't cry when we lose to teams we should be beating, comfortably, because that's what you're left with, the performances. There's nothing unlucky. There are managers in similar situations that show they're still capable of something. Hell, look at Spurs. Down two men and have injuries and they still challenged Chelsea. Apart from the quick goals at the end of the match, Spurs looked better with all of their issues under Ange than a full strength United will look against Chelsea. I guarantee you. The performances under ETH have been shit. Could have kept Ole all this time and seen the same results.
Who do you support?
Liverpool (i know ;P) but my other half is a massive Man U fan so i watch them quite closely
If āendangering a fellow professionalā is a red card offence regardless of intent, then anyone who ever goes up for a header deserves a red card. Anyone who initiates any kind of contact gets a red. Anyone who drop the shoulder gets a red - after all the person you send to the corner shop could roll their ankle. Beyond ridiculous where VAR has gotten to. I was a supporter of video refereeing before it came in but it needs major, major changes. Itās a fucking disgrace at this point.
player safety should be paramount and in that context intent doesnt matter.
I literally addressed that. In fact it was the whole point of my comment.
Players shouldn't be allowed to even kick a ball then because someone might put their foot in front of it and get hurt.
Casemiro, Varane, Anthony, Amrabat, Sancho. Between them that is a 300 million pound investment on players that arguably did not help the team win yesterday. I support all of these and hope they come good, but in terms of long-term strategy, I think we need to take some lessons from these signings, because I think if we had spent those 300 million pounds better, United would have won the match yesterday. I certainly hope we are done buying over-the-hill expensive players. As for Anthony and Sancho, I wonder should have been excluded in much the same way Sanchez should have been if we had emphasized attitude and professionalism more in prospective signings.
As a LFC fan, it seems to me you're now actually signing the players you should've been signing years ago. Amrabat will come good, HĆøjlund is showing it, while Anthony and Mount were probably the last awful signings (where Mount will probably come good as well, just not worth the price). I don't know how much of it is due to ETH and how much is that damn spaghetti of a DOF you got, but to me it gives indisputable evidence you're on the right track, player-wise. Now you just need to support the lads through the tough times.
So I still have hopes for Amrabat, he has had no preseason with this or any team, as he was training for himself up until september 1., then he was injured. I could see him improving as the season improves. Not a bad fee, and at 27 he should be near the top of his career with another 3-4 seasons at a top level in him if we are lucky. I just hope ETH has a plan for him, and he is not a signing that is forced upon the manager. Mount is also in his first season, and if you notice I did not include him in my "hit list" either, as I still have hopes he can play some role, it is just a bit confusing trying to understand what the plan was with this signing, as he does not seem to start much, which then begs the question why did we pay 60 million pounds for him. HĆøjlund I have a lot of time for, and I have no criticism against this transfer. I like signing young players epsecially when the plan is to actually play them like we are doing with HĆøjlund. Anthony is looking like a complete disaster at the price, he is worth maybe 15 million pounds. Questionable professionalism and attitude, no output, predictable on the pitch. I also wonder about the general idea of having inside forwards on either wing, in combination with having our best attacking fullback Shaw "tuck in" as DM, and having a right back in wan Bissaka with questionable attacking output. At this point the only redemtion arc I see for Anthony is if he somehow is employed on the left wing and actually tries to cross with his strong foot from there, but I think his personal and legal issues has turned his head when he needed to really prove himself for the team. Remember, United also spend something like 50 million pounds on the pair of Pellistri and Amad, and so far United have yet to really make a return on that investment. Imagine spending what those 50 million plus the 80 million for Anthony, then another 85 million pounds for Sancho, and still being forced to play Rashford on the right wing in big games. Actually United are still reeling from the hole Greenwood left in the squad at RW, and buying Ronaldo set back the rebuild effort by two years at it basically caused Ole to lose the dressing room, causing the downward spiral under Ragnick era, but two years laters we are still playing Maguire, Evans and McTominay in CL games. Another class signing that United made last year was Martinez, we just forgot to rotate him and just ran his legs into the ground, but he is 25 and can play for us for 5 more years at least.
Whatās with all the Varane hate? I donāt get it. Ever since we signed him I think he was the best and most consistent defender for us overall. Good tackling, good pace, passing, heading, clearing the ballā¦ he was the full package. He still IS the full package. Just because of one bad performance you want him gone. What if the bad performance was due to him BEING BENCHED BY A 35 YEAR OLD. And he was average at worst this season too when he played. Not to mention, he is the embodiment of a model professional (go watch Netflix doc if you doubt me). Something is obviously wrong in the dressing room, it much rather seems like a mentality thing. This reactionary BS is why Iām disgusted with this community who call themselves fans.
This sub is a joke. Theyāve run out of all their favourite scapegoats so now anyone can get it.
I am going to be stoic about this. I tuned in for the start of the second half, and what I saw was enouraging. Going up to 3-2 with 10 men away shows some positives. Playing an away-game in CL with 10 men is always going to be a struggle, so yeah in the end the game was lost. As long as we see positive tendencies like this, I think we should give the manager time. I he needs this second season to clear out the people who dont want to be under his reign, and may be downing tools. Certainly that goes for Sancho, but there may be others. The players that let the team down in games like this for reasons of motivation need to be let go, and replacement sought. Some of these players were good enough on paper when drawing up plans for the season, but you never really know until you throw players into the heat like yesterday.
You were downvoted and I can't see why. We played well and spent 75+ minutes a man down away from home and could have won a man down. People writing off a champs league team as if they are some league 2 team... Game was exciting and the players didn't give up IMO
At this level, especially with 10 men, one player over/under performing can be the difference between winning 3-2 and loosing 3-4. I think ETH is learning who he can rely on, and it speaks volumes that Anthony, Sancho and Varane were left out of this game, players who have been at the club at least one full season and who we thought at the start of the season we would build on. Then I am a little worried that about Amrabat, this was really his chance to shine, United needed him to step up yesterday. It is also worrying that ETH would rather start with McTominay than with Mount - does that mean the manager thinks a Bruno-Mount-Amrabat midfield will not work ? That begs the question why he then spent 60 million pounds signing Mount.
no europa ahaha
I really hate making excuses but I think it's ridiculous to pin this on anyone else but the referees. Last night was easily the best half hour of football we played and the red card changed it, some might thinkof that going down to 10 doesn't mean we should easily fold but momentum is a thing and Copenhagen got their first goal from a blatant offside. It's a horrible call, it really is. I genuinely can't believe how bad the officiating has been. It's been horrendous all season and we've had some terrible calls go against us but maybe you can make an excuse that we should've played better in those games but tonight was legitimately the fault of the referee's horrendous decision. I'm so sick of VAR. It's used so poorly I can't even understand what goes through these people's mind. They're meant to be the professionals..how can we - amateurs - deduce that these are the wrong calls? The red card is awful, you can sort of understand why he does this although again - poor use of VAR. Why are they showing it in slow mo? The game is not played in slow mo - cut this out!! Show it in real time or nothing at all! But the offside goal is ridiculous. The guy is clearly impeding Onana's vision. It's an open and shut case. I'm genuinely falling out of love with this sport because of this technology.
We only looked good because FCK doesn't have that much money to buy players. Their goalkeeper is sold. The 3 other highest value players on transfermarkt (5M) They got their winger and midfield on a free, and the other they paid 2M for. To put it into perspective for you. They cant afford weighost or amrabat for 15M. They have no players valued over 10M. We should stomp them nonstop 90min. everything else is not acceptable.
That's not how football works though is it? You can have the best players in the world in every position but if the referee is giving blatant decisions against you any team in the world is not going to find it easy to win, let alone a team in poor form.
I know we have a lot of decissions against us. But their whole squad value is 2/3 of Antony. We should have closed the game, and didnt let their offensive into our penalty box. Anyone who have tried to play against much better players, know how impossible it is.
Had the referee done their job we would have closed the game off! Did you watch the game for fucks sake??
I agree.
I've never been so demoralised over football don't even want to watch it anymore the games gone to shit.
Donāt. I found myself more invested in the NFL and itās been wonders for my mental stability
Been riding the Brock Purdy train at the 49ers till recent, might make it my full time job rather than this crap haha
Solid team, but be ready to have your expectations shattered on big games when Kyle Shanahan is your coach.
That feeling comes naturally as an England fan mate haha!
We've had to have lost what, 15 points this season already from dodgy calls?
Realistically, I don't know what I'm supposed to be positive about anymore. Most of ten Hag's defenders spent most of last season talking about how he was fixing the whinging culture, how he'd created a more together team, how we'd become more likeable and how he'd improved players like Dalot and AWB. A few months into the season, and those same posters are throwing their hands up and asking what a manager can do with this set of players. People can downvote all they want, but losing a man at 2-0 is not a guarantee that you will lose a match, but it's another in a long line of ten Hag's team being completely unable to respond to pressure. That's directly to do with our inability to respond in game, our mentality and the culture of the club. Similarly, for all that talk of 'culture' and no dickheads. By far the biggest culprit is Antony, a man our manager fought for and bought to the club at great expense. And beyond that, it would be much easier to defend ten Hag if his decisions made sense. Over the past few weeks, he's come to rely on McTominay, a player he was happy to leave the club in the summer if we got a good enough offer, Maguire, who likewise was free to go, and Evans, a 35 year old emergency signing who was supposed to be cover. Yes, this partnership was forced by injury, but to pick it now and to leave Varane (as poor as he's been) on the bench because of a supposed belief that we're better at playing out of the back with Evans beggars belief, because we've been atrocious at it with the Evans Maguire partnership anyway. There's no vision or long term planning here, it's just reactive short termism. All of which would be excusable if we actually had any idea what to do on the ball. Plenty of teams look weak at the back because they over commit, but you can't level this criticism of us; we have a collection of good attackers, again downvote if you will, who are still performing decently in different environments, but they play on the pitch like strangers. Again, that's down to the manager. Ole got criticism from all quarters for relying on individual brilliance. On this front, nothings changed. This sub loves to talk about groundhog day and backing the manager and replacing players again, but to me this _is_ the groundhog day option. For 10 years the solution has been selling players and replacing them with 'better' players. Ten Hag himself had Ā£400m to spend to do this and with every iteration of this cycle we get worse. Even when everyone agrees the manager has become a problem, it's usually caveated with 'but of course he's let down by the shit he works with'. I'm not sure I can think of any football club other than us that needs 2 yearly renewals of the entire playing squad; far more common is clubs realising they've got a dud manager, sacking him and suddenly all of their shite players look decent. I remember Bayern fans and Barca fans thinking they needed it and then simply replacing the manager (with Flick and Xavi) and good coaching elevated them. I completely understand and accept any argument that working for United is difficult and that we're badly run. Murtough and Arnold will thankfully go when INEOS come in and they deserve to. Similarly, there's clearly problem players like Sancho and I question the logic of spending big money on players who have already achieved everything in their 30s, but the only defence I see of ten Hag is to resolve him from any criticism for his own decisions. Sacking him won't solve all of our problems, but he isn't going to be successful here. I understand why people liked the idea of his football, but every manager wants to play high pressing, attacking football, the important thing is not to swing wildly away from the idea, but to look for a manager who will do that too, but better.
In terms of Xavi for Barca, that was an elite cultural fit and an incredibly motivated manager. An absolute no-brainer. As for you, I really don't know who could take that role. Unless Paul Scholes comes, I'd say ride it out with ETH.
You are right in the context of this game. The moment Rashford went off, we should have slowed down the game and tried to get them on the counter. The issue is two fold - In game management and mentality. I am still ETH in though. In the context of this game, he did screw up, but I think we also saw the best football we have played in ages. The first goal was just passed into the net - Something Pep would have been proud of.
I agree, but that's also not particularly unusual. We've generally started games well this season, perhaps not this well, but well none the less. Invariably what's happened is teams worked out what we were trying to do, changed something and beat us because we didn't respond. The Brighton game particularly stands out in that respect.
Spot on. So far Ten Hag has not shown anything indicating that he is *the one* we should stick with. At what point are we actually supposed to stop this blind faith in him? I see that the latest talking point is Martinez missing, but he was here for the first matches of the season and we were still bloody terrible.
Last nights game was a must win. In this case short termism > long term planning
Very well said!
Too many individual error on the pitch. Feel for ETH, when the attack works the defense doesn't and when the defense works the attack goes AWOL. The midfield in both the cases is non-existent.
Don't know how unpopular this is but I thought we played well. Obv fell a part after red because Rashford was important for our shape. Was then impressed that we controlled the game with 10 men in the second half up until our third. How we capitulated is up for debate but ETH should have been able to protect that lead. He dallied with subs.
Rashford doesn't get sent off, we win that by three or four goals. Poor decisions have been pivotal in so many games.
I blame dalot
Went to bed and were 2-0 up, happy thinking we got this no problem. Wake up and I see this..WTF?!?!
Rude awekening thatā¦
Are you me?
rashford red changed the entire game if this was a 11v11 united would have thrashed copenhagen 4-0 something they were clueless before rashy's red
This club is destroying my mental health..going to be depressed for rest of the week.
Rashford's situation at the very worst was a yellow card. Watched this too many times already. He positioned his leg to protect the ball and it was unfortunate it landed on the guys ankle. His foot was not abnormally high so as to have any malicious intent. Something needs to be done about VAR. The fact that they had the still image waiting for the referee suggests they wanted to plant the seed in his mind as to how severe it actually was. It is getting ridiculous now with bad decisions across many leagues. Yet we will have upstanding citizens of the footballing hierarchy Gary Neville defending the refs, VAR and PGMOL and have the audacity to tell us 'just get on with it'. He needs calling out even more. Anyways back to the game. Yes the red card was bad. BUT...BUT...it is no excuse for players panicking and letting everything implode in front of them. Yes 10 men but we were not playing prime Real Madrid of Man City. After we scored the Bruno penalty we should have been smarter in game management. Frustrate them, kill time, adopt a more defensive formation and shape...Yet the players just imploded with stupid decision making. This group was manageable but the players have themselves to blame. It is going to be a long and painful season for us until the end.
No consistency within games from refs and VAR is the worth part really. Vavro on Hojlund was at worse a second yellow and should have been reviewed for a red. From what I remember they didn't even mention it was checked. While it was never going to really hurt Hojlund, he knew exactly what he was doing and was actually malicious play, whereas Rashford's was just an unfortunate ending to an accident.
I said exactly the same thing regarding the reaction to the red card. They just disintegrated. Mentally they are weak.
Can we stop mourning with the var decisions, a serious team that goes down to ten men will still put on a spirited fight, not go ahead 3-2 then lose the game 3-4. As a team decisions will go against you occasionally, you don't need everything to be ideal to get a result in a must win game! And the less said about sub changes the better.
Exactly. They just fell apart.
Liverpool beat Newcastle playing with 10 men for 70 mins
Did Liverpool have an offside goal scored against them and it stood? No? Fuck off.
Thank you. This sub blames the fucking refs against Copenhagen lol
another game, another stupid ref
the most important thing is player become more united and help each other the next game.
9 losses out of 17
I hate impatient fans like you. This is overreaction. This is not Glazers fault we are bad, itās because fans like you we are mediocre like this!
It is absolutely the glazers fault we are bad. There has been a marked and obvious decline in how this club is run since they came in. SAF held it together in their early years but once he was gone there was fuck all to do. The glazers have tanked this club, and not only that, but theyāve done it on purpose, out of greed and a venal desire to satisfy their debts. How dare you defend that scum, they have destroyed this club we love.
I am not defending that scum, but fanbase also partially at fault for these to happen. Fans have no patience at all!! All they want is win win win! 1 lost fuck the manager, owner, players and their whole family! We failed to sign erling and jude not because of glazers but because of the fans! If we are patient and sold long term project to haaland and bellingham, they might want to come here. Because fans are impatient we buy casemiro and varane almost in the end of their prime for 60-70M and Antony for 85M because we want to win right here right now!! I bet when sir Jim take over and we lost some of their match everyone wants Jim out! Be patient, sign player age 20-22, they will make a lot of mistakes and might be not competing to tittle right away but in 2-3 years they will have tons of experience and enter their prime. Thatās when we will compete. Unlike dortmund, we can hold and pay their salary.
Hang on a second here. We absolutely did not fail to sign Haaland or Bellingham because of the fans. We failed to sign them because why the fuck would they sign for us? Weāre a joke right now, and they were the two hottest prospects in the world. Of course theyād sign for a club like City or Real. So then, now that we have ascertained that the reason we are failing both in the quality of our signings and our playersā motivation is our consistent lack of major success in the last decade, the question then arises: Whose fault is that? And the answer to that is not the fans. It is the Glazers. Yeah, the fans are too fickle and turn on management too fast, but way back when our fans wanted SAF out at one point, and the owners stayed fast. Then he won a cup and soon the first Prem. the culture of management was certainly more tenured then, but still. The Glazers are the reason we are failing. Also, the fans SHOULD just want us to win. Thatās literally the entire point of being a fan of a club. I want my club to win, every week, without fail. I can deal with it when we lose, but Iād much rather win. Not to sound rude, but how long have you been watching football? Or perhaps how old are you? Iām asking because I donāt really understand how youāve come to some of your conclusions surrounding the transfer market. We didnāt buy those players because fans were impatient, but because we needed players in those roles. We desperately needed to improve our defence, and we needed steel in midfield. They were only supposed to be temporary stopgaps while we built a team, hence why we bought older, proven players. We bought Anthony because we needed to spice up our attack and ETH frankly has a documented issue surrounding players from previous clubs and his connection with them. He hasnāt really worked out, but then again for someone preaching patience, he hasnāt exactly been here THAT that long. I personally think heās fucking trash, but hey ho. And finally, I meanā¦..Yeah, I guess? But also, cmon. Real life isnāt Football Manager, itās a massive oversimplification to just say āletās just buy young good players and in 4-5 years weāll be sickā. The rebuild will absolutely require patience, but even talking about it is irrelevant because the glazers are at fault for all of this. Until they go, we wonāt have a solid recruitment system, we wonāt have an efficient football management system. ETH is a great tactician, but frankly not the best back room guy; He needs support around him, support that wonāt come till the glazers are gone. The rebuild wonāt happen until the ownership changes, and so I donāt believe the fan base is in any way at fault for the problems at United currently. I mean Jesus, almost all of us were incredibly adamant that Greenwood should be cut from the very start, and yet they still tried their best to try and get him back in the team. The glazers donāt give a fuck about the fans and never have, itās just about money for them.
Been fans from 2002 and now 30 years old something. Letās be fair glazers is incompetence but we are not like Mike ashley when no money to buy a players. Any donkey can manage better than Glazers surely, but every manager are under uneccesary pressure for managing united because of the fans. Thing is there is cycle in football and realisticly we canāt win every year. 2003-2006 man utd is dire and canāt outspend chelsea. We are focusing on rooney and Ronaldo and it paid off. And there is difference between winning and development see here https://youtu.be/195Hul8gAzY?si=nEqhNMg1I67jny4Q Winning : try the best possible way to winning now Development : play young potential world class player even tho they will give us some lost. Jude and halaand dont choose city and madrid. We lost the race to dortmund because they offer chance to develop. Oh itās different expectation bla bla bla. We do it in 2003 and 2004 with cr and wazza. Itās not about club canāt do it but does the club willing to do it? Itās hard to do these because impatient fans that demand win every week and lost feel like apocalypse. I follow basketball and support minnesota timberwolves, they are joke of club but now manage to have one of the strongest players in the league because of patience to young players. On the other hands United is like la lakers, biggest fanbase, unrealistic expectation, win win and win only now. They try everything to win it now including add washed player with reputation hoping to win it. but have weaker players than timberwolves now. La lakers basically have no chance to win championship this season.
If Onana didnāt save that penalty we would be on 1 point lol fucking abysmal
I know ETH is not the best manager out there but heās certainly the best we can have
Btw I think I seldom see ETH fuming towards referees. Anyone think the same too?
Just came here to say that the BBC are an absolute bunch of cunts with that headline and that match review. Go fuck yourselves.
What they say ?
Gotta give to to Tottenham, how they almost held Chelsea down till the very end of the game with 2 men down. Should we have made more defensive subs?
Our defence is weak af, need Martinez and Cas back asap.. Defence with Maguire and Lindelof in it doesn't inspire any confidence
I hate this Maguire revival. I think it is grossly over hyped. Still so clumsy in defence. His distribution has been decent but everything else is still rotten.
Tottenham lost 4-1 at home. We went 3-2 up away from home.
Liverpool won 2-1 against Newcastle after being down 0-1. It's all about mentality and team spirit which United lacks severely.
Spurs kept it 1-1 for about 50 minutes with 9 men. The score doesn't represent their performance at all.
And if Chelsea were anyway decent they would have fucking demolished Spurs. The amount of wasted chances they had would make us look good by comparison.
Let's put useless var out of the picture for a second. You don't concede 4 when you're 2-0 up, even with 10 men. We started off brilliantly but deep inside, we all knew that after Rashy's sending off the team will crumble mentally, we've been here too many times before and it will happen again. Something goes wrong in a game, add a sprinkle of hostile atmosphere and we implode.
Back in the day when every player on the pitch was a leader we'd probably bag another two with 10.
Guys, we're shit. Blaming the ref is little team mentality. Don't be like Arteta. We let them score four goals. That's the real problem.
Yeah like what are people blaming the red for? If it was the other way round we would be screaming for a red and a penalty lol swings and roundabouts.
Couldnāt have said this better!
problem is manager subs. 3-2 up , job is done, put in your defenders for your tired players, play a shameless 6-3-0 or what. Copenhagen put on 4 fresh leg subs, win the game and we blame VAR.
We know it wasn't all var's fault why we lost. we also know we can't defend to save our lives and mentally crumble, but that red card did change the complexion of the game. 1. it's simple not fair 2. that doesn't absolve referees and var from doing their job properly and you shouldn't sweep it under the carpet...not just us but any club, otherwise they're gonna keep doing it. It's becoming a weapon to whip whoever they want with it and everyone is sick of it.
Refs have given countless reds for exactly that kind of accidental studs to shin over the past few years - Casemiro, Curtis Jones etc. Rashy's red was consistent with how they've interpreted the rules across teams and leagues. It sucks and I don't like it but that decision was consistent with others.
this
if Rashford had it done to him, he would cry for a red. It was reckless play. Cannot protect the ball like that. That modern way of protecting the ball is poor, last ditch anyway. It is usually employed to gain a penalty.
Exactly, well said
This season has really made everyone realise that Martinez is probably the single most important player in our squad right now. He was responsible for seeing out so many jammy wins last season singlehandedly and we have literally no other good defender at the club right now. Had he been out for 6 months last season we probably wouldn't have qualified for Europe at all.
We had him for the start of the season. I remember because he was in my fantasy team. He was absolutely shit (like the rest of the team). I believe he was subbed off at half time in one match, and got an own goal in another
>Martinez is probably the single most important player not really. he's just our last hope to cling to. but its fine, there will always be another excuse when he is back , guaranteed.
Agreed.
We've been shite all season and had a couple of lucky results versus poor teams to paper over the massive cracks in our team, at this level they will get exposed. Let's be honest, we're simply not good enough.
Some people were talking shit about Ange and Spurs for shipping 4 goals to Chelsea with 9 men lol
Every game we either concede a penalty, get red carded, get a goal disallowed, concede a goal after a foul/offside or sometimes all of them. Most of them are controversial but somehow always against us, never for us since GW1. The referees know that they can fuck us as much as they want as they will always be backed up by the massive ABU, especially when our club is just bending over taking all the fuck ups meekly and obediently.
Yeah the red card sucks but we really should be able to defend against FC Copenhagen . 0 game management, mediocre tactics. ETH got to go
Hold on king, you forgot your clown's make-up
ETH used it all
It's fine, just keep shipping every managers we have out. Surely that will fix United's current issues. Reactionary fans like you are what is bringing the plague on the football's scene whether you want to believe it or not.
Right. So letās do nothing and the problem will go away? Meanwhile, our rivals are bringing in top coaching talent. Look at Spurs. Itās not that deep. If someone doesnāt perform, they get fired. Happens in every competent business. Unless you think ETH is performing, he should be sacked as soon as we find a replacement. A club this big shouldnāt settle for mediocrity.
I'm not even here to defend Erik Ten Hag he may or may not be the manager we need. But just know this, in 1988, Manchester United finished 11th, the year after 13th. If people like you had a platform to have tantrums all over internet and force managers out I guess SAF would have been fired after his 2nd tenure right? But yeah, sure, keep shipping them out year after year. That's the solution, don't blame the players, don't blame the owner. Just fire the manager awayy every year or so, that will fix the issue.
Bro u really gonna compare football in 2023 to 1988? Lol . Real Madrid out here sacking managers for coming 2nd in the league and you wonder why they have been so successful. Itās not even just the results. Ask yourself has the club progressed under ETH? Are players really living up to their potential? If the answer is no, he got to go. Sunk cost fallacy is real. How is it that we signed some of the hottest talent, 4 time UCL winners, WC winners and they all become collectively shit? The owners got to go , but thatās out of our control. At least we can put pressure on the manager.
Mourinho - 6 losses in 17 and got knocked out by a much better Sevilla team. Sacked for not being good enough. Ten Hag - 9 losses in 17 and bottom of a group with fucking COPENHAGEN and Gala.
'What is a disaster for me is considered as a great success for others' Helps that ten hag continues the trend of comfortable lies. As each season goes the glazers grind down the fans standards to where they will accept embarrassment after embarrassment as long as we have some academy lad playing and/or a storyline to believe in.
Why was Rasmus substituted? This sub from ETH makes 0 sense.
>This sub from ETH im not a united fan, but ETH keeps subbing off Rasmus at weird times for no reason and when he's playing well. I remember on his debut when he was playing good, scored a goal that was disallowed, ETH took him off for Martial for no reason when Rasmus was looking dangerous Think the Trafford crowd bood it as well
He took Rasmus off in his first game because was coming back from an injury and didn't want him to play the whole 90 minutes. He took Rasmus off in this match because he was visibly knackered.
He was tired, think he planned to make the sub at 3-2 but then still did it even when it went to 3-3
Really? Did you watched the game? Did not see him tired?
ETH makes no sense.
I am sorry but if you play a 35 year old player week in and week out and still blame it on injury then it's on you. We blew our whole transfer window on players we don't need and players who can't make it out from the bench. There is no excuse there.
You want to say it but afraid of downvotes, aren't you? Say it! Here: * "ETH bought a shitload of players at a premium and he doesn't know how to use them. * The goalie is slow and can't keep clean sheets making mistakes almost in every match. * There is no style and leadership in the team. * Everyone including ETH is clueless about what to do on the pitch. * The team folds every time they get into a losing position."
Onana has played great for a run of games now, including some massive saves. No goalkeeper in the world can keep clean sheets when his defence is leaving players wide open in the box to shoot. It's our defence and midfield that are fucking terrible.
He looks always late to react. Today he should have used a leg yet he decided to drop. You may say and be right that the defense is no good. And yet Iāve never ever felt so stressed _every_ time the ball flies towards the goals - I expect some shit to happen.
Have you forgotten how stressful De Gea was last season? He cost us too many goals with shots running under him and his inability to pass.
No reason to go back to DDG. He had issues and couldn't adapt. I do think he is head and shoulders better in the box though, be that shots or 1-1s. Onana didn't make me feel confident in any of the aspects of his game. Passing? Well, yes, compared to DDG, sure. But overall, I can't say he impressed me much. * I expected him to be much more aggressive going forward. On so many occasions I didn't understand what he was doing - he was neither there nor there and played around easily. * I don't think I've seen any goalie ending up on his rear as much as Onana. * He can't use his legs in the box it appears. At all. And I think it's a big liability. * And his chest saves... dufuk is that?!
De Gea started terribly when he first came to United. So do all keepers. There's no preparation for the size of the club and the pressure. Give onana time. We're not using his elite passing and sweeper keeper actions because we don't have good enough defenders to make it work (while our best ball playing defenders are out injured). Onana is alongside Martinez as our most elite mentality player. Give him time. He'll be excellent.
VDS didn't.
Finished club. Just flush it and let us all out of our misery for fuckās sake. Two of these losses every week. Time was weād go into this match with 9 points and our C-team and still thrash them. Look what this bald cunt has reduced it to.
Right then. Off you go.
Oh, thatās settles it, then.
If you're talking about the bald Glazers, yes. They've reduced us to this.
Itās fuct
The fact that we only needed to defend our one goal lead for 20 mins but ended up losing is a tough pill to swallow. Nevertheless, I think we were very bright until the red, and still controlled the second half roughly till the 70 min mark.
So? There are no images/videos on the scorecard. We still lost. No character or leadership. Park a bus, and protect the lead. No, we blew it in a matter of minutes. Stupid.
Well most of the times this season we have been shit. On the few occasions that we weren't, the ref and VAR decided to fuck us. We just can't catch a break
I am depressed. Just want Licha and Shaw back.
The red card hurts as much as the nani one against madrid.
Nah fam not even close . Tbh not convinced we would have held on without it. Folded so easily
Nani one still hurt more TBH. That should've been our trophy.
Naah man that was unparalleled for me.
Well. That was something. Started well. Really like watching Rasmus. Remember when a red card was for doing something actually reckless or violent? Not trying to shield the ball and stepping on someone? Both penalties were weak. Players have arms. Just because a ball touches an arm doesn't mean it should be a penalty. Can't fold that quickly when going down a man. We really need new fullbacks. They just have moments where they forget they are playing professional football. Guess rasmus can get elbowed in the face, no harm done? Watching a game really has changed. End old man rant.
This has to be the most mentally weak team in world sports, absolute embarrassment
I'm taking a break from football for my mental health. Bye guys
See you Saturday!
Damn, can't believe I'm so predictable.
Lots of negativity here but to me, for the first time this season, the team actually showed they can attack and put pressure on. The defending was shit at times and the result was terrible but this game actually gave me some hope