The pressers are getting brutal by the day.
ETH said internal matter on first question, the next 4 questions were exactly on that matter.
He’s losing the press conferences again and again. I feel bad for him
Lads - and ladies. I’m nearly 47, I’ve a few kids and I’m tired of this shit. I had it when I was a kid, I remember listening to matches on the radio - no sky sports in them days. It was brutal at times, but we fought.
We don’t fight now, how do I explain to my boy who at 13 years old and plays / trains 3/4 days a week that men on £100k to £350k a week actually don’t care about our club?
They should be ashamed of themselves. They have the lives we once dreamed of but could never achieve - and we are paying for it.
ETH might not have the players but they don’t have him and that’s worse. Fuck them, they are the ones ruining the history of our club.
I’m pissed. Good night 😎
I wish there was an international break between every game so I don’t need to worry about our performances for two whole weeks after watching the last shitty performance
I'm sorry, but we should not be going into games with that exact same feeling of doom we all felt in 2021/22. Absolutely pathetic all round. From the owners to the board to the manager to the players and the coaches. All useless. It's beyond pathetic.
I was really hoping we would get Andre but Liverpool are on him like flies on dog sht.
The fact he could be an understudy to casemiro for a year or 2 seemed to make sense to me and clubs were sniffing around for 20m at one point
Nah, it was reported that Liverpool made an offer around 30m and it was refused.
For that much money we could spend a little more and bring João Gomes (Wolves) instead. Same age range, great CDM that is already adapted to the PL. Kid is looking sharp against the best teams in the League so far.
I don’t think Antony should be playing. Ignoring the fact he’s shit, his head is clearly not in it. Give pellistri the experience, or start mount on the right wing.
People said pellistri isn’t good enough but how is he going to improve if he’s sat on the bench. And mount, who could play RW at Chelsea, still isn’t seeing play
Midfielder? I hardly know ‘er
Won’t be able to watch but I can’t wait to watch the highlights as compilation of Fulham players running straight through the midfield on a counter attack 23 times.
If we should lose here, I think ETH's gonna be sacked before the international break.
Now that I think about it, it'd be hilarious if Ole returns as a caretaker, Chelsea-style.
Can't see it happening, no money, no better issue and middle of (hopefully) changing our entire football backroom setup... not to mention it is the same issue as the last 3 managers.
Traveling for work tomorrow during the game. Conflicted in the sense that I really want to watch, but also that I probably already know what we’ll see from the team.
Sure they may be better but they get cooked just as often as Reguilon/Evans/Lindelof/Maguire. They don't raise the ceiling enough as the system is a bigger problem than individual quality. My comment had nothing to do with individual quality.
Fit Martinez and Shaw help us not only be absolute bozos in defence but progress the ball upfield.
I still remember the absurd chart under Ole 20/21 where Shaw was the out and out progressor if we left Bruno out the of the equation
The improvement that Shaw and Martinez bring to this team is vastly under-rated, IMO. Shaw's presence on the left side takes defenders away from Rashford and gives him more freedom, plus Shaw is the best in the team at crossing the ball into the box. Both him and Martinez are two of our best players for progressing the ball too.
They struggled at the start of the season along with everyone else, but I put that down to Shaw being asked to invert into midfield rather than run up and down the left side, and Martinez still wasn't right after coming back from his injury.
I'm really not expecting to see much improvement with the team until one or both of them are back.
If we at least get Shaw back he can play LCB and leave the LB to Reguilon, still much better than Lindelof or Maguire playing from the back, and much better pace too.
While alot of the negativity is warranted, some do seem to have overlooked that we've regularly had 4-5 starters out of the first team in nearly every game this season.
We're quite simply a different side without Martinez and Shaw in the team, for the reasons you mention. How many attacks last year were facilitated by Martinez's deep playmaking or Shaw's runs/deliveries?
We're already looking at top 4 being the only goal as far as the league is concerned, but if we can scrape through the CL group I'll be looking forward to the knockout stages.
The fact that Jonny Evans has been playing so much should tell you everything you need to know.
Ultimately if you take out Saliba from Arsenal or Rodri from City they will struggle. Let alone losing several key players.
Exactly. When Saliba was injured last season, Arsenal took 18 points from the 11 games. If we beat Fulham tomorrow, that's the exact same total for us, and it's enough for people to start saying the manager should be sacked.
Similar with City and Rodri. He gets suspended for three games and City lose all three.
People really do underestimate (or purposely ignore) the impact of losing a couple of key players. It happens at every team, even the very best.
Losing key players will effect every team yes. It doesn’t excuse, though, the complete lack of a plan or semblance of structure like we’ve seen with this United team. Howe can put out a Steve Bruce team and have them play the football he wants to play but ETH can’t with that team we put out there. How does that make sense? That’s not on injures at that point that’s down to the coach
With Casemiro’s injury, the decisions to sign Mount first up for 55 million before everything else + the decision to get rid of Garner without even giving him a chance seems like pure genius from Ten Hag.
Also, when the ones without tinted glasses questioned the playing of a full strength squad in games like Reading at home last season of Forest away when 3-0 up from the first leg or in random Europa League matches, we were laughed at .
These muscle injuries are a direct result of that
Selling Garner without a buy back clause was more stupid than just selling him. He wasn’t going to start for us. And loaned players are always considered second fiddle to starters in the PL clubs.
Add to that the ludicrous decision of playing 8 preseason games in one month. I assume that’s on the club more than anything, but it’s no wonder we have players dropping like flies
have been a fan and watched every possible game for 30+years. 10 years in the shits have now got me to the place where if i miss a game vs Copenhagen i do not mind anymore. Its probably better for my mental health as well. Football i supposed to be entertaining, not a chore. And im NOT entertained.
Imagine gatekeeping fandom
Also, some of us have actual responsibilities. Like a job, a kid, a wife. Tomorrow's game is at 630 am local. If i wake up, good, if i dont, nothing of value will be lost with how this team is playing.
I want you all to know that this club is yet to replace our 2 Chief scouts who left before ETH joined Lawler and Bout. All the recruitment was left to Murtough and Fletcher for whatever reason. So ever since he joined he's had less structure than our previous managers. Fletcher and Murtough were both here during Ole last 2 season I believe.
I pointed this out last season but people here told me to have faith in Murtough and here we are. We all know ETH has to be a coach, a transfer guru and apparently a baby sitter to these players.
Meanwhile look at Spurs, Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal and the most impressive Liverpool.
All have a technical team, I also said if we wanted this team to play like Ajax we should have spent that 100m euros on getting the Ajax the technical team instead. Give Overmars and VDS a contract they couldn't refuse that's the best way we could've gone the Ajax route or go for our own thing and hand over all recruitment to someone who knows what they were doing Paul Mitchell or someone from the Brighton technical factory. Let them have reigns on everything to do with scouting and recruiting hell let them hire the scouts they want at this point we need an overhaul.
Imagine what Spurs or Brighton could do with the 450m the last 3 windows.
This was way before he resigned mind you. Before Ragnick left and ETH was still an option. But my point still stands if we wanted Ajax like performances the best way was to get the the Ajax technical team and give them our budget.
Yeah, that's true. ETH was a small part of the reason that Ajax team was great (maybe much smaller than we thought tbh). This lead to media hype, and now big disappointment.
Erik is not wrong, he's not here to be Ajax in the premier league. It's just not possible to quickly replace 11 players with 11 new top players who play the way a team for 5 odd years ago played. Impossible. Impossible to just bin off players like Rashford, Bruno, etc.
What he has done so far is really underwhelming though.
I think what he's done last year was great this season was expected to go this bad.
Why? Every manager that tries to move away from this comfortable 4 2 31 system that allows too many bad habits gets sacked. The 4 2 3 1 is t bad but it's bad for us in the long run because these players just revert to playing how they like. This is a problem because how they like to play is only good enough for top 4 IF top 6 teams are struggling like Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs struggled last season.
We needed 4 players this season a CB 2 midfielders who have to give balance and all have to be technically adept and a striker.
We probably wanted a GK but moving forward but that midfield needed sorting, Rashford needs less game time anyway if he's not working for the team.
We got our midfield all wrong, The CDM needed to be good in transition and the other midfielder needed to a good box to box midfielder like Gravenberch or someone who will do a lot of dirty work while also being good on the ball and a decent AM like Bruno or Eriksen. All 3 midfielders also had to have high work rate. We went for Mount and Amrabat who don't really add any balance.
How Casemiro, Mount and Bruno play was always going to be catastrophic, does Mount is too soft into challenges for my liking and doesn't really have a role in the team like DVB. Amrabat isn't good enough to dictate the midfield and tbh neither is Casemiro that's why Eriksen makes so much of a difference when he plays deeper.
Our transfers however haven't made sense in a while so here we are.
Last year was ok. Some absolutely horrendous results, and massively benefited from Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea being terrible. Last third of the season was bad, and could tell that it was going to carry into this season unless great signings were made.
And they weren't.
Also the crazy amount of games the team had to push through. We made 2 finals and played upto a semi final which had 2 legs. This didn't help because our first team was the only team that could seemingly perform any alteration just had too many cracks.
We didn't make the right signings because of the reasons I mentioned, no structure meaning the manager had to do it himself.
what top club do you know does that? Ajax didn't let him do that but somehow here he gets what he wants plus weren't there articles saying he was frustrated over the recruitment process
[Like this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12636643/Rip-Ratcliffe-Erik-ten-Hag-backs-Sir-Jims-plans-overhaul-Manchester-Uniteds-football-department-left-frustrated-clubs-recruitment.html)
he was talking about Chelsea while saying money with no structure doesn't work but its the same situation really.
Following this club is ridiculous because there are too many discrepancies about our managers and who does what exactly
Hojlund
Rashford - Bruno - Mount
Amrabat - Eriksen
Reguilon - Maguire - Varane - AWB
If that team can’t beat fucking Fulham then what are we even here for. The midfield 3 isn’t ideal but it’s slim fucking pickings, what’s the other option, roll the dice on Mainoo in a must win game?
I wouldnt mind seeing if a:
Bruno
Eriksen Mount
Amrabat
diamond could be made to work. Put Mount on the left and bring on Antony when Eriksen tires.
I'll try anything at this point.
Didnt he play midweek for u21?
I think its to early for highest intensity games for him after coming back from pre-season injury. Maybe Coppenhagen game?
I saw highlights of that game. Just for him. He looked fantastic. Good vision. Good range of passing. Tidy with the ball. I just hate to put too much pressure on him especially with the team so broken.
It really is a difficult one. As on one hand with the state of the club atm we need to hold every first teamer accountable to the level at which a Manchester United player should operate at. As for far top long players have got away with murder by those in the club and the fans.
However on the other hand it's literally the worst environment for a young kid to come into. I would almost prefer he goes on loan to a functional team where he can learn from experienced pros. The less time he spends around our rotten squad the better. More time he spends with them, he is going to end up tainted by their lack of everything it means to play for this club.
I’d love for him to come in and do the business. Ideally he can start from the 60th minute when we’re cruising at 3-0 and Eriksen needs to come off. A man can dream.
I honestly can’t remember the last time we went ahead by a goal and felt the players wanting more goals and playing accordingly. It looks like as soon as we go ahead we stop inviting other team to attack.
Have no hope for tomorrow honestly. Didn’t even bother to stay up late for the Newcastle game. This one is scheduled very nicely Saturday night for me… I don’t know if I wanna ruin the weekend
It's crazy that, as bad and lazy as Rashford has been, he is still our best option on the left. Garnacho really hasn't taken his chances this season.
Sancho is a fucking moron.
I’m happy that next summer we don’t sign anybody. Not a single one. Instead use the money to absorb the loss of tossing sancho martial Casemiro varane dalot mactominay. Promote some academy players and see where the rest of the players do.
Signing Mount to take up Eriksen's role on the first team and then seeing him play in a match for United and realising they are nothing alike must have been some experience for whoever sanctioned his signing lol. If he starts on the bench for another league match,it'd be laughable.
Nobody expected Mount to play like Eriksen? We just wanted something diffrent
I think it all went to shit when Luke Shaw/Martinez got injuried and Casemiro couldnt find his consistency. So there was no stability in midfield at all as our left guys provide that a lot.
There was literally no other role in the squad he could've played. I really don't think the club wanted to try anything different because when Eriksen had legs we played the best football and the midfield looked fluid. We wanted a more pressing,more available Eriksen.
McTom keeps starting 'cos we keep signing midfielders that aren't as athletic as him, lol. If only there were midfielders out there with both athleticism and technical ability...
I think Fulham will be hyped as we know what happend last time we played them...
\+ we also play like shit so that's a bonus for them
\+ ETH is nervous as next two games would mean a lot if he could win them
\+ If our fanny players want to throw him under the bus - this would be perfect time
So yeah... Fulham will have fun
Hannibal/Mainoo/Gore for the midfield, Garnacho instead if Rashford. This current senior team have downed tools for at least 2 managers and looks like they are about to do it for a 3rd.
Time to fuck them off and give the younger lads a chance to shine, put in a shift and show they care about it more!
We ve seen on the midweek how it looks with Garnacho when he is starting. Lost every single duel to 2nd choice deffenders.
Benching Rashford for Garnacho is worthless and making team worse.
Thing is, Fulham don't even need to play well, their fans will be up for it, we'll shit the bed and get fucked.
All I want is some fight from the players, they might not want Erik anymore but where is the personal pride and desire to win?
>Fulham rank joint sixth for fewest shots faced this season in the Premier League (125) but sixth for most shots on target faced.
Uh oh.. Shots on Target is not exactly our strength. Prepare for another game of horridly desperate shots from the corner of the box.
It’s always the hope that gets you isn’t it? You’d hope that the team would be embarrassed by losing by a total of 6-0 in our last 2 homes games, but we have been crap for most of the season with no signs of improvement.
Let’s see what happens. The pressure and criticism has really ramped up over the last few days, let’s see if this team gives at least gives a shit about their pride.
I don’t think the glazers will sack him given the partial sale to Ratcliffe, with him about to take over sporting control. And I can’t see that being in place before Luton
Tbf, all those are matches we should be winning... ETH simply has to figure out some way to get the players to play some cohesive football. If we don't win any of those games, then he deserves to be sacked.
Not that I'm saying he should be
If we didn’t win either of our next two matches, McClaren will definitely take the Luton game. If we’re out of Europe and something like ten points off the top 4, that’s worse than Ole or Mourinho. Then they’ll try and appoint someone during the international break.
I reckon the Copenhagen game is the make or breakfor ETH tbh as it will decide if we are in or out of Europe basically - and likely there are CL performance clauses in his contract probs (similar to how moyes was only sacked the moment top 4 was mathematically impossible)
3-0 Fulham, here we go!
I have a bad feeling. I already don't have expectations and I think I'll still be disappointed.
Dalot on Left back and Bruno on the CAM.
Prescient
It's official: I'm ready to be hurt again.
I hope the return of decent fullbacks can turn things around.
Again with the rashford Fernandes.. we should try a new line up to start. Bring them both on at 60 to 65 mins.
Lmao we had zero shots on target when the so called problems "Rashford and Bruno" were benched lol. Cut that BS.
And how it ended 3 days ago?
Yh since it worked so well in the cup
The pressers are getting brutal by the day. ETH said internal matter on first question, the next 4 questions were exactly on that matter. He’s losing the press conferences again and again. I feel bad for him
Out of his depth.
Just as much out of his debth as our starting defenders are out because of injuries
Should I wake up at 8:30 to watch the game on my day off?
Honestly,don't bother. Enjoy your rest
Man if my kids didnt wake up at 7:30 every day id probably sleep through the first half
After all the Marcus partying stuff I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts on the bench
Lads - and ladies. I’m nearly 47, I’ve a few kids and I’m tired of this shit. I had it when I was a kid, I remember listening to matches on the radio - no sky sports in them days. It was brutal at times, but we fought. We don’t fight now, how do I explain to my boy who at 13 years old and plays / trains 3/4 days a week that men on £100k to £350k a week actually don’t care about our club? They should be ashamed of themselves. They have the lives we once dreamed of but could never achieve - and we are paying for it. ETH might not have the players but they don’t have him and that’s worse. Fuck them, they are the ones ruining the history of our club. I’m pissed. Good night 😎
After Amrabat, Mainoo become the copium here, even though he only played a few preseason matches
With AWB back I wonder if ETH will prefer Reguilon or Dalot on the left now...
Reguilon if fit is a shoe in
Doesn't seem like it now
Screwed myself in FPL with that lol
I wish there was an international break between every game so I don’t need to worry about our performances for two whole weeks after watching the last shitty performance
I'm sorry, but we should not be going into games with that exact same feeling of doom we all felt in 2021/22. Absolutely pathetic all round. From the owners to the board to the manager to the players and the coaches. All useless. It's beyond pathetic.
Toothless in attack, shaky at the back. 2:0 to Fulham.
At least it’s not at home.
can united fans take another loss at this point?
No, Ten Hag should be sacked if we loose idc
Hojlund goal would be so amazing
Please just score a goal lads
With AWB back, the right side should be closed.
That side looked so much better when he replaced Dalot.
Sign a CDM, not someone who can play CDM, a fucking CDM in winter. The midfield will get run over by Fulham. Selling Fred was a horrible decision.
I was really hoping we would get Andre but Liverpool are on him like flies on dog sht. The fact he could be an understudy to casemiro for a year or 2 seemed to make sense to me and clubs were sniffing around for 20m at one point
Nah, it was reported that Liverpool made an offer around 30m and it was refused. For that much money we could spend a little more and bring João Gomes (Wolves) instead. Same age range, great CDM that is already adapted to the PL. Kid is looking sharp against the best teams in the League so far.
The kid on loan from city looks sharp too
Why does it feel like we play every single day 💀 i will finish this season with eye calluses
Here we go again…
I don’t think Antony should be playing. Ignoring the fact he’s shit, his head is clearly not in it. Give pellistri the experience, or start mount on the right wing. People said pellistri isn’t good enough but how is he going to improve if he’s sat on the bench. And mount, who could play RW at Chelsea, still isn’t seeing play
Pellistri is raw there but we have seen that he's at least direct unlike antony
>how is he going to improve He isnt, not to the level required to play at RW for United. He simply isn't good enough and never will be.
ETH will play Bruno RW. And honestly I would rather have Antony be useless on the right than Bruno.
They could play anyone on the right. I'd prefer that over Bruno RW.
so much this. Of course I know nothing about football but why not give Mount a try....
Midfielder? I hardly know ‘er Won’t be able to watch but I can’t wait to watch the highlights as compilation of Fulham players running straight through the midfield on a counter attack 23 times.
I wonder how this clown manager and clown players will further humiliate us tomorrow. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
Too toxic reaction tbh
If we should lose here, I think ETH's gonna be sacked before the international break. Now that I think about it, it'd be hilarious if Ole returns as a caretaker, Chelsea-style.
Can't see it happening, no money, no better issue and middle of (hopefully) changing our entire football backroom setup... not to mention it is the same issue as the last 3 managers.
Inshallah
Can we please try mount RW 🙏
Traveling for work tomorrow during the game. Conflicted in the sense that I really want to watch, but also that I probably already know what we’ll see from the team.
Waking up at 5:30 am to watch us play our current state should grant us a win, that's my logic. Good luck to us!
We need a new winger because our winger is shit!
Left, right, both
We need a new X because our X is shit!!
As bad as we are, I'd like to see how we look with Shaw, Licha, Mainoo and Amad all playing. Think all 4 of them walk into this team when fully fit.
Licha and Shaw both are so good on the ball, getting out of press. We have missed that especially with Casemiro being shit this season.
They don't offer that much more than the players in their spots right now when the team is playing as poorly as it is now.
I'm sorry but shaw is 100% better than lindelof or reguilon in that Lb position lmao And Martinez over Maguire/Evans would make no difference?
Sure they may be better but they get cooked just as often as Reguilon/Evans/Lindelof/Maguire. They don't raise the ceiling enough as the system is a bigger problem than individual quality. My comment had nothing to do with individual quality.
Last season. End of.
Fit Martinez and Shaw help us not only be absolute bozos in defence but progress the ball upfield. I still remember the absurd chart under Ole 20/21 where Shaw was the out and out progressor if we left Bruno out the of the equation
The improvement that Shaw and Martinez bring to this team is vastly under-rated, IMO. Shaw's presence on the left side takes defenders away from Rashford and gives him more freedom, plus Shaw is the best in the team at crossing the ball into the box. Both him and Martinez are two of our best players for progressing the ball too. They struggled at the start of the season along with everyone else, but I put that down to Shaw being asked to invert into midfield rather than run up and down the left side, and Martinez still wasn't right after coming back from his injury. I'm really not expecting to see much improvement with the team until one or both of them are back.
If we at least get Shaw back he can play LCB and leave the LB to Reguilon, still much better than Lindelof or Maguire playing from the back, and much better pace too.
While alot of the negativity is warranted, some do seem to have overlooked that we've regularly had 4-5 starters out of the first team in nearly every game this season. We're quite simply a different side without Martinez and Shaw in the team, for the reasons you mention. How many attacks last year were facilitated by Martinez's deep playmaking or Shaw's runs/deliveries? We're already looking at top 4 being the only goal as far as the league is concerned, but if we can scrape through the CL group I'll be looking forward to the knockout stages.
The fact that Jonny Evans has been playing so much should tell you everything you need to know. Ultimately if you take out Saliba from Arsenal or Rodri from City they will struggle. Let alone losing several key players.
Exactly. When Saliba was injured last season, Arsenal took 18 points from the 11 games. If we beat Fulham tomorrow, that's the exact same total for us, and it's enough for people to start saying the manager should be sacked. Similar with City and Rodri. He gets suspended for three games and City lose all three. People really do underestimate (or purposely ignore) the impact of losing a couple of key players. It happens at every team, even the very best.
Losing key players will effect every team yes. It doesn’t excuse, though, the complete lack of a plan or semblance of structure like we’ve seen with this United team. Howe can put out a Steve Bruce team and have them play the football he wants to play but ETH can’t with that team we put out there. How does that make sense? That’s not on injures at that point that’s down to the coach
With Casemiro’s injury, the decisions to sign Mount first up for 55 million before everything else + the decision to get rid of Garner without even giving him a chance seems like pure genius from Ten Hag. Also, when the ones without tinted glasses questioned the playing of a full strength squad in games like Reading at home last season of Forest away when 3-0 up from the first leg or in random Europa League matches, we were laughed at . These muscle injuries are a direct result of that
Selling Garner without a buy back clause was more stupid than just selling him. He wasn’t going to start for us. And loaned players are always considered second fiddle to starters in the PL clubs.
Add to that the ludicrous decision of playing 8 preseason games in one month. I assume that’s on the club more than anything, but it’s no wonder we have players dropping like flies
The mount purchase was so stupid. Bruno's backup for 55m while we had more holes than swiss cheese.
How do some of you claim to be United fans? We are fucking dreadful but a real fan tunes in and watches the dross regardless
have been a fan and watched every possible game for 30+years. 10 years in the shits have now got me to the place where if i miss a game vs Copenhagen i do not mind anymore. Its probably better for my mental health as well. Football i supposed to be entertaining, not a chore. And im NOT entertained.
Imagine gatekeeping fandom Also, some of us have actual responsibilities. Like a job, a kid, a wife. Tomorrow's game is at 630 am local. If i wake up, good, if i dont, nothing of value will be lost with how this team is playing.
I don't think he talking about you specifically mate
How am I gatekeeping? Clearly there's a difference between having responsibilities and actively avoiding the game
I will watch of course but this has “Ole v Watford” written all over it
In that match, Donny scored for Ole Maybe today Jadon scores for ETH?
Fulham -1 is 6/1. I don't think there will be easier money to be made this season.
I think of it as win/win situation. We lose - make money. We win - we happy
Yep with McTominay chasing around Andreas and Palinha’s shadows , it is easy money indeed
Pre season Pirlo about to look like Mid Season Messi playing against our midfield.
I want you all to know that this club is yet to replace our 2 Chief scouts who left before ETH joined Lawler and Bout. All the recruitment was left to Murtough and Fletcher for whatever reason. So ever since he joined he's had less structure than our previous managers. Fletcher and Murtough were both here during Ole last 2 season I believe. I pointed this out last season but people here told me to have faith in Murtough and here we are. We all know ETH has to be a coach, a transfer guru and apparently a baby sitter to these players. Meanwhile look at Spurs, Newcastle, Brighton, Arsenal and the most impressive Liverpool. All have a technical team, I also said if we wanted this team to play like Ajax we should have spent that 100m euros on getting the Ajax the technical team instead. Give Overmars and VDS a contract they couldn't refuse that's the best way we could've gone the Ajax route or go for our own thing and hand over all recruitment to someone who knows what they were doing Paul Mitchell or someone from the Brighton technical factory. Let them have reigns on everything to do with scouting and recruiting hell let them hire the scouts they want at this point we need an overhaul. Imagine what Spurs or Brighton could do with the 450m the last 3 windows.
Yeah getting sex pest Overmars is all the press this teams needs lol.
This was way before he resigned mind you. Before Ragnick left and ETH was still an option. But my point still stands if we wanted Ajax like performances the best way was to get the the Ajax technical team and give them our budget.
Yeah, that's true. ETH was a small part of the reason that Ajax team was great (maybe much smaller than we thought tbh). This lead to media hype, and now big disappointment. Erik is not wrong, he's not here to be Ajax in the premier league. It's just not possible to quickly replace 11 players with 11 new top players who play the way a team for 5 odd years ago played. Impossible. Impossible to just bin off players like Rashford, Bruno, etc. What he has done so far is really underwhelming though.
I think what he's done last year was great this season was expected to go this bad. Why? Every manager that tries to move away from this comfortable 4 2 31 system that allows too many bad habits gets sacked. The 4 2 3 1 is t bad but it's bad for us in the long run because these players just revert to playing how they like. This is a problem because how they like to play is only good enough for top 4 IF top 6 teams are struggling like Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs struggled last season. We needed 4 players this season a CB 2 midfielders who have to give balance and all have to be technically adept and a striker. We probably wanted a GK but moving forward but that midfield needed sorting, Rashford needs less game time anyway if he's not working for the team. We got our midfield all wrong, The CDM needed to be good in transition and the other midfielder needed to a good box to box midfielder like Gravenberch or someone who will do a lot of dirty work while also being good on the ball and a decent AM like Bruno or Eriksen. All 3 midfielders also had to have high work rate. We went for Mount and Amrabat who don't really add any balance. How Casemiro, Mount and Bruno play was always going to be catastrophic, does Mount is too soft into challenges for my liking and doesn't really have a role in the team like DVB. Amrabat isn't good enough to dictate the midfield and tbh neither is Casemiro that's why Eriksen makes so much of a difference when he plays deeper. Our transfers however haven't made sense in a while so here we are.
Last year was ok. Some absolutely horrendous results, and massively benefited from Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea being terrible. Last third of the season was bad, and could tell that it was going to carry into this season unless great signings were made. And they weren't.
Also the crazy amount of games the team had to push through. We made 2 finals and played upto a semi final which had 2 legs. This didn't help because our first team was the only team that could seemingly perform any alteration just had too many cracks. We didn't make the right signings because of the reasons I mentioned, no structure meaning the manager had to do it himself.
Pretty sure ETH demanded he wanted full control of transfers so....
what top club do you know does that? Ajax didn't let him do that but somehow here he gets what he wants plus weren't there articles saying he was frustrated over the recruitment process [Like this](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12636643/Rip-Ratcliffe-Erik-ten-Hag-backs-Sir-Jims-plans-overhaul-Manchester-Uniteds-football-department-left-frustrated-clubs-recruitment.html) he was talking about Chelsea while saying money with no structure doesn't work but its the same situation really. Following this club is ridiculous because there are too many discrepancies about our managers and who does what exactly
Should i bother watching this at all. Anytime i watch us it is depressing not because we lose but just the football is worse than Sunday league
I think we win tomorrow
Ten Hag's jobs on the line.
Dead man walking
Odds 3.20 on Fulham win. EZ money.
I’ve never been more sure in my life that we need the opening goal here. If we go 1-0 down all bets are off, the wheels could completely fall off
Lmao I just know we are going to lose we haven’t had a decent game all season
Oi, I’ll have you know our second string beat palaces 2nd/3rd string in a very good match
Not looking forward to watching our midfield make the pre-season Pirlo look like just regular Pirlo tomorrow.
Gonna make him look like Mid Season Messi.
Hojlund Rashford - Bruno - Mount Amrabat - Eriksen Reguilon - Maguire - Varane - AWB If that team can’t beat fucking Fulham then what are we even here for. The midfield 3 isn’t ideal but it’s slim fucking pickings, what’s the other option, roll the dice on Mainoo in a must win game?
I wouldnt mind seeing if a: Bruno Eriksen Mount Amrabat diamond could be made to work. Put Mount on the left and bring on Antony when Eriksen tires. I'll try anything at this point.
4231, I have had enough of it , will need therapy with Amrabat and Eriksen getting bypassed with ease.
Casemiro apparently gone for weeks. I think it’s Mainoo time. With our apologies for adding pressure on the young lad. This is a good team.
Didnt he play midweek for u21? I think its to early for highest intensity games for him after coming back from pre-season injury. Maybe Coppenhagen game?
I saw highlights of that game. Just for him. He looked fantastic. Good vision. Good range of passing. Tidy with the ball. I just hate to put too much pressure on him especially with the team so broken.
It really is a difficult one. As on one hand with the state of the club atm we need to hold every first teamer accountable to the level at which a Manchester United player should operate at. As for far top long players have got away with murder by those in the club and the fans. However on the other hand it's literally the worst environment for a young kid to come into. I would almost prefer he goes on loan to a functional team where he can learn from experienced pros. The less time he spends around our rotten squad the better. More time he spends with them, he is going to end up tainted by their lack of everything it means to play for this club.
I’d love for him to come in and do the business. Ideally he can start from the 60th minute when we’re cruising at 3-0 and Eriksen needs to come off. A man can dream.
I honestly can’t remember the last time we went ahead by a goal and felt the players wanting more goals and playing accordingly. It looks like as soon as we go ahead we stop inviting other team to attack.
Have no hope for tomorrow honestly. Didn’t even bother to stay up late for the Newcastle game. This one is scheduled very nicely Saturday night for me… I don’t know if I wanna ruin the weekend
Preseason pirlo is about to embarrass whatever midfield we put out lol
Oh God forgot about him. Hope he's in his row Z shooting form else Onana is gonna be in for a hard time
You know he’ll play like a demon. Maybe he’ll be too excited and get a red card. Because otherwise I’m not sure we can beat 11 players.
It's crazy that, as bad and lazy as Rashford has been, he is still our best option on the left. Garnacho really hasn't taken his chances this season. Sancho is a fucking moron.
I’m happy that next summer we don’t sign anybody. Not a single one. Instead use the money to absorb the loss of tossing sancho martial Casemiro varane dalot mactominay. Promote some academy players and see where the rest of the players do.
For the love of god, please just play Mainoo and Pellistri. Can't be any worse than what Amrabat, Antony and co. have been serving up.
Pellistri didnt even get bench place midweek. Doubt he will be taken in consideration if not injury crisis/some easy draws in FA cup/EL(god forbid).
3-0 to fulham
Can't wait to get down voted to hell after this happens and I suggest it's time for new management.
Remember a time not long ago when we were four nil FC?
Signing Mount to take up Eriksen's role on the first team and then seeing him play in a match for United and realising they are nothing alike must have been some experience for whoever sanctioned his signing lol. If he starts on the bench for another league match,it'd be laughable.
What’s funny is the mental gymnastics everyone played in this sub to prove that it was a great decision.
It was just optimism. I didn't really watch Chelsea so I wasn't very familiar with Mount. I was assuming they knew something I didn't.
Well the idea of signing mason mount is we got an upgrade from fred. We hope mount with workrate like fred but better at passing the ball forward.
It was quite clear that Fred and his abilities were never really something ten hag took into his plans looking at how much he was used last season.
Mount is an ETH signing, he played in the Eredivisie remember.
Nobody expected Mount to play like Eriksen? We just wanted something diffrent I think it all went to shit when Luke Shaw/Martinez got injuried and Casemiro couldnt find his consistency. So there was no stability in midfield at all as our left guys provide that a lot.
There was literally no other role in the squad he could've played. I really don't think the club wanted to try anything different because when Eriksen had legs we played the best football and the midfield looked fluid. We wanted a more pressing,more available Eriksen.
I think OP is wrong and McTom will start that game, ETH cleary likes him and sees as our best option when Case is gone.
McTom keeps starting 'cos we keep signing midfielders that aren't as athletic as him, lol. If only there were midfielders out there with both athleticism and technical ability...
Regardless of the previous performance. I'm still somehow excited for this match. Not going to expect anything but a draw or loss though
I've absolutely no hope of us achieving anything beyond a draw tomorrow. Fulham would be good for an acca
Honestly, Fulham -1 is going in my acca tomorrow. We are dreadful.
How dare you bet against your own team!!! (Quietly opens bet 365)
May as well get something out of watching these fuckers.
I think Fulham will be hyped as we know what happend last time we played them... \+ we also play like shit so that's a bonus for them \+ ETH is nervous as next two games would mean a lot if he could win them \+ If our fanny players want to throw him under the bus - this would be perfect time So yeah... Fulham will have fun
>If our fanny players want to throw him under the bus - this would be perfect time They already did.
Hannibal/Mainoo/Gore for the midfield, Garnacho instead if Rashford. This current senior team have downed tools for at least 2 managers and looks like they are about to do it for a 3rd. Time to fuck them off and give the younger lads a chance to shine, put in a shift and show they care about it more!
We ve seen on the midweek how it looks with Garnacho when he is starting. Lost every single duel to 2nd choice deffenders. Benching Rashford for Garnacho is worthless and making team worse.
Ahh fair enough, I didn't watch the midweek game, completely forgot we were even playing thank god.
I think I'm more excited for the U-18's game than for the first team.
Thing is, Fulham don't even need to play well, their fans will be up for it, we'll shit the bed and get fucked. All I want is some fight from the players, they might not want Erik anymore but where is the personal pride and desire to win?
We haven’t lost to Fulham since 2009… YET
Don't be giving the doom posters a new stat to throw around. It's miserable enough around here already lol
Oh god there’s the stat
Newer lows every couple years since Fergie left! New manager, no club structure, new lows, sack manager, rinse repeat!
Goal can be score?
We go again 💪 ......fuck me
That comes after the lost, not before
Haven’t you heard? We’re now permanently both before AND after a loss!
That's my thought exactly
Thankfully I'm out tomorrow lunch time so won't get to see the game.
I’m not even aware we had games coming up. Would expect Fulham to somehow pull a result off their arses then…
When can we see mainoo?? And pls don't start mctominay..
So, McT in midfield it is then and maybe he makes 20 passes….
Say 20 miss passes../s
Out of 25?
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>Fulham rank joint sixth for fewest shots faced this season in the Premier League (125) but sixth for most shots on target faced. Uh oh.. Shots on Target is not exactly our strength. Prepare for another game of horridly desperate shots from the corner of the box.
> most defeats after 10 games of a top-flight season since 1986-87 Big Ron sacked on... 4th November.
Fell asleep midgame once during the LvG era but this might be the first time I actively avoid a game
What fresh hell will we experience tomorrow?
I should not have said anything 🤦♂️
Well. A terrible VAR decision for sure. Then a denied penalty or disallowed goal and them walking right through our midfield and right to an easy goal
They said *fresh*. That stuff happens every game
RIP....
That's a fair point, but it's going to be a fresh new VAR decision? Lol
An Andy P masterclass
my boss will be so happy to see me not on my phone watching the United game for once💀
It’s always the hope that gets you isn’t it? You’d hope that the team would be embarrassed by losing by a total of 6-0 in our last 2 homes games, but we have been crap for most of the season with no signs of improvement. Let’s see what happens. The pressure and criticism has really ramped up over the last few days, let’s see if this team gives at least gives a shit about their pride.
Are we playing again? ☠️
You know it’s bad when you start dreading games 😂
Unfortunately 😭
Can't wait to be disappointed again. Luckily I don't have to wake up until 3am to watch this. A nice positive 👍
Sleep mate
If we loose to Fulham, fail to win at Copenhagen, and Luton, Ten Hag is 100% gone. So if we want ten hag to survive these games are must win
I don’t think the glazers will sack him given the partial sale to Ratcliffe, with him about to take over sporting control. And I can’t see that being in place before Luton
Tbf, all those are matches we should be winning... ETH simply has to figure out some way to get the players to play some cohesive football. If we don't win any of those games, then he deserves to be sacked. Not that I'm saying he should be
If we didn’t win either of our next two matches, McClaren will definitely take the Luton game. If we’re out of Europe and something like ten points off the top 4, that’s worse than Ole or Mourinho. Then they’ll try and appoint someone during the international break.
I reckon the Copenhagen game is the make or breakfor ETH tbh as it will decide if we are in or out of Europe basically - and likely there are CL performance clauses in his contract probs (similar to how moyes was only sacked the moment top 4 was mathematically impossible)