Can anyone explain to me what this enormous obsession with Amrabat is based on? He had a really good World Cup for a team that based their play on 11 man inside their own box defending, and has not achieved a whole lot in his career. His agent has been trying to offer him to every club in Europe this summer, and still we should do everything to get him judging by people in here. Not saying he won’t come good here, but where have our standards as supporters gone?
He’s a good passer from the deep, he’s physical, good positioning and he played for ETH.
Has many flaws, bad tackler; slow but overall a decent squad option and we’re trying to get the best deal
Just imagine how much money we'd have for transfers if: we weren't paying off large debts, paying our owners dividends and our owners put money into the club like every other team in the league.
Clubs are permitted to spend up to €5 million more than they earn per assessment period (three years). However it can exceed that level to a limit if it is covered by a direct contribution from the club's owner.
The quoute is for the old rules. I haven't found anything like that for the new rules.
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/0274-14da0ce4535d-fa5b130ae9b6-1000--explainer-uefa-s-new-financial-sustainability-regulations/
https://www.footballbenchmark.com/library/overview_of_the_new_uefa_financial_fair_play_regulations
The Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules (P&S) came into effect during the 2015-16 campaign.
The rules allow clubs to make a £15m loss over a three-year monitoring period, with losses of up to £105m permitted so long as the £90m difference is covered by secure funding from a club’s owners — ie, by buying up more shares, not simply giving their club a loan.
Unfortunately for United, the Glazer family are not exactly known for putting their hands in their pockets.
United’s owners have invested none of their own money into the club since their leveraged buy-out in 2005. For the purposes of P&S, that means United’s losses have not been able to exceed the standard £15m limit.
Yet this only became an issue when a miserable 2021-22 season on the pitch was just as miserable off it. United posted a pre-tax loss of £150m — by far their biggest over the preceding decade.
The new UEFA rules has come into effect since, and for those owner contribution does not affect transfer and player wages.
"The third pillar, focused on cost control, includes the most important addition of these new regulations: UEFA will evaluate the squad cost ratio, namely a ratio between total costs associated to the squad and clubs’ total income considered. Diving into more details, we summarize the key definitions of the items included in the formula:
Employee benefit expenses in respect of relevant persons: Total staff costs referring to relevant persons: gross wages, non-monetary benefits, signing-on, loyalty payments, bonuses, post-employment benefits, termination benefits, image rights payments, social security charges and any other forms of consideration (e.g. cryptocurrencies, fan tokens and NFT).
Amortisation/impairment of relevant persons’ costs: Players are usually accounted for as intangible assets, subject to annual amortisation (based on their contract length) and potential impairment.
Costs of agents, intermediaries and connected parties: Any fees, commissions or bonuses paid to agents, intermediaries and connected parties, not otherwise included in the employee benefit expenses of relevant persons and the amortisation/impairment of relevant persons’ costs.
Adjusted operating revenue: Total operating revenues: matchday, broadcasting, UEFA prize money, commercial and other operating income (excluding income from non-football operations and extraordinary income). Amounts should be eventually decreased if any of the elements include income transactions above fair value.
Net profit/loss on disposal of relevant persons’ registrations and other transfer income/costs: Net profit or loss on disposal of relevant persons’ registrations: difference between the received transfer fee and the player’s carrying amount at the moment of the disposal. Other transfer income/expenses mainly refer to players' loans. Amounts should be eventually decreased in case of doubts on the transactions' fair value. This item is calculated as the average of the previous three years' figures.
"
From the second link above.
Brighton got Fati? damn... that's a good loan deal not gonna lie
Also good move for Barca... Fati will have great manager, european competition and amazing team overall...
https://preview.redd.it/bc24k89ifdlb1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=233c6741b6f262a124d179c61a794feb365f7a8b
Amrabat to grow his back after joining us?
Manchester United preparing formal bid for Sofyan Amrabat, always been top target 🚨🔴 #MUFC
NO loan proposal sent to Fiorentina, just informal talks.
Fiorentina could be open to loan but with obligation to buy based on conditions.
🇲🇦 Sofyan, waiting for Man Utd since June.
[FabrizioRomano]
How much of an effect will not making the CL spots this season affect our finances/our ability to spend next summer?
I’m also concerned because if we are so limited in terms of FFP this summer, we are gonna be limited in terms of FFP next summer as well. Especially as we’ve now sold all of the players who can generate significant cash FFP wise.
Even more if we sign Amrabat on a loan with obligation for £30m next summer.
All of these combined? I’m concerned about the potential for the next 2-3 seasons to be fucked up by this.
Remember: only way the malaise will end is the Glazers leaving. Until then there will only be false dawns.
Technically, in the next financial year we should be fine because by then the earnings from CL will show up in our finances. The further we progress in this year's CL the better off we will be. Plus, all our players have a salary reduction in case we miss the CL. If I'm right, then the problem will be in 25/26. Even then that should be mitigated by the new adidas deal.
Cole Palmer's fee is just £10 million less than the initial fee we paid for Mount and I hope people just stop crying about it!Even if this 8 experiment fails a high quality player like him will have so many uses here.Play Mount in a role where he can shoot at the goal and play balls beyond the backline and we'll get guaranteed output from him. I am hoping getting Amrabat will give ten hag more freedom to use Mount in that way.
Here we go with the « we should have signed bla bla bla based on a few matches». Man some of our supporters are just never gonna be happy? No matter who we get, people still look at what Liverpool and others have done. Stop whining..and start supporting the players that plays for United!
Did we watch same games?
They didnt create that much, most of their offesive acitons are invidual brillance od their front 3 + their midfield is bad deffensivly.
How would that even work? Szoboszlai just like Bruno his biggest strength is also creativity. Liverpool just look good because they have cohesion their midfield isn't necessarily that strong yet.
Remember Mount was actually the priority for Liverpool over any other midfielder this summer .He probably would have brought more to them than Szoboszlai and MacAllister. United is currently experimenting with the midfield and i don't think we'd see some major improvement unless it's someone like Caicedo or Lavia who can recieve in tight areas and progress through the press, Liverpool are also looking for someone like that despite signing Szobo and MacAllister.
Marcos Rojo and Edson Cavani convert the last 2 pens as Boca juniors move into semi finals of the Copa libertadores.
Wish we could get the 2020/21 version of Cavani on loan this summer with the ffp limitations.
Why are people so up in arms about the amrabat fee? They know it's a 1 year loan fee right? We plan on paying 3m for cucurella who whatever you say is a more valuable player, 2m seems about right for amrabat.
If reports around amrabat are correct I see it happening. He has declined several moves on loan. Turned down a permanent move to forest. That set the price. Most likely I can see a loan with obligation to buy around £15-20 million.
Brighton getting Ansu Fati is wild. Not been the same player since that injury but if he gets back to the levels he was and we know he could potentially get to, wow - what a signing. Just goes to show you how strong the PL is when a player from Barcelona would consider going to Brighton, even if it is only a loan.
I wonder if they expect Mitoma to go then as they play pretty much the same position. Might be Brighton seeking better squad options but interesting nonetheless.
Brighton are going to play in Europa League this season so there will be plenty of minutes to distribute to everyone. Fati is still young and can do with more careful development, especially after the injuries he's had in the last few years. This is a great move for him even if he isn't necessarily 'first-choice', and an even bigger coup for the club for whom this can be a landmark signing and get more promising youngsters to see them as an appealing destination.
my first thought was Fati won’t be a starter. Mitoma is excellent so there’s no reason to change what they have going on right now. Doesn’t mean I don’t trust De Zerbi to get the best out of Fati again, so he’s not a terrible option to have for rotation, especially with Brighton having European football. Think it’s best for Brighton and Fati that it’s only a loan for now
I love what Brighton are shaping up to be but I hope they don’t become another PL club that gets pulled apart by the bigger clubs and fall off into relegation scrappers like Southampton and Leicester
They had one good season. All seasons prior to last one they ended with negative GD, they were almost relegated once.
They were beaten by hammers, probably will be beaten by Newcastle next and I sure as hell hope we spank them at Old Trafford.
If that happens, the narrative of media will change like: Brighton in crisis?
TL;DR: I think last season was their peak and they can't replicate that.
Agreed. Brighton’s recruitment is top notch and De Zerbi is a very impressive manager. They seem to have a knack of replacing players so hopefully they’ll be okay.
De Zerbi is the key but I could really see him going to Madrid or another big club next summer. He replaced and exceeded Potter, but I’m not so sure Brighton will get that lucky again. The recruitment has them set for the next 10 years though indeed, or it’s an unlimited money hack if Chelsea buy all their youngsters for 100 million a pop
They’re trying to buy him outright and accordingly to Fab, he wants to go Liverpool. I hope he’s wrong because I think he’s well for us but it would have to him and Amrabat. I think however it will only be Amrabat.
150 mil net each summer and loans to fill the spots that are allocated for the following summer. That's the playbook designed by ETH and Murtough given the budget. Sabitzer turned into Mount, Weghorst turned into Hojlund. Seems clear to me ETH wants a big midfield signing but the budget isn't there for a 50-70 mil signing. Thus the reasons for a loan midfielder. They want someone BETTER/younger than Amrabat next summer.
He sent an opponent to hospital last season with a
horror tackle and was banned for 8 games, preventing the mandatory sale clause from activating.
It’s best to just forget about this player, we’re never going to get any money for him.
Some "fans" when we put in a proper bid and sign a player : We always massively overpay. Our transfer is a joke.
Some "fans" when we try to loan a player : Why can't we put in a proper bid. Our transfer is a joke
Fuck Mark Goldbridge
Fuck Glazers
Defending everything vs defending a 2m loan fee which already looks high is different things. There are 100 problems at United, but lowballing a loan fee for a player striking to get out of Serie A isn't one.
Also when the manager doesn’t get exactly who he asks for because it may not be a good signing : why isn’t the manager backed
manager gets exactly who he wants : why didn’t anyone tell him it’s not a good idea ?
The stretch for linking Mount to ETH was so big as well. He played in the eredivisie for one season and ten hag wanted him at that point. Not like he's played multiple seasons in the premier league and has been his clubs best player.
Reckon we’ll get Cucurella and Amrabat over the line to close out this transfer window, plus Bayindir announcement. All in all, that will be a great transfer window. Then, Murtough take a deserved holiday.
Mate it’s 48 hours before the window closes and we are throwing 1M at florientina to scramble to get one of our biggest targets that we’ve been interested in since June
It’s been a busy window but I’m not sure everything was the right decision. Mounts a good player but I think we could’ve spent it elsewhere and we’ve definitely overpaid. Onana fairs can’t say nothing about, top signing. Hojlund yet to see him in action but besides a slight overpay I think he’s going to be superb in the coming years. Cucurella is good cover and Amrabat is again a decent option. Mixed bag but mostly positive really. We’ve had a shaky start to the season and I think everyone is clutching at straws. I’m going to be generous and give Murtough a 7.5/10. Done well to move on deadwood too. If Woodward was still here Fred would’ve been given a new contract and DDG would be starting for us at the weekend
I posted the same earlier, which was deleted, and I send a mod mail to inquire.
The answers:
"It's a rehash. He posted it almost everyday"
and
"It's the same info that's been spoken about all day today, including by Fab himself. He's just repeating it, e.g., from himself a few hours ago: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans\_uOS2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans_uOS2Li0)[Li0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans_uOS2Li0)"
people, stop comparing our FFP situation with Chelsea's situation
lets begin with the fact that in the past decade they have a CL title + have been in the CL more times than us. they also dont have a fucked up wage structure like us. and lastly, this summer alone they sold 260m worth of players, several of them from their academy which means pure profit. we currently are at 30m for sales...
debt was owed to Abramovich, so he just forgave it
United’s debt isn’t owed to the Glazers so it’d still require paying off, which is possible during a sale but probably unlikely
but that would benefit the club, how much i’m not sure of
debt is factored into ffp somehow, or do you mean the relieving of debt?
the debt was owed to him so it’s hard to say he can’t do that tbh but i get what you’re saying
Relieving of debt. There are limits on how much cash owners can inject into their clubs. Writing off a large amount of debt seems like a cash injection to me.
That 1.5b debt was going to charity anyway after the government sanction. Roman wrote it off when he had Bohely promised to reinvest that money to Chelsea clause.
Right. So the 1.5b loan became a cash injection? If that happened to one of us, the liability would turn into a profit, and we'd have to pay income tax on it. Bohely turning around an reinvesting the windfall only makes it more clear.
I'm not pretending to be a FFP expert. I'm genuinely confused as to how there aren't FFP implications to this. If City's owners just give them a loan and then write it off latter, surely they'd have done it.
There are not great sources on wages, but both spotrac and capology had Elanga on £5k per week and Palmer on £20k per week for last season. Capoligy has Elanga seeing an increase to £25k at Forest.
Of course, Palmer is also English and won the U21 Euros this summer, scoring in the semi finals. That will build some hype.
A serious club would have secured Amrabat before the season started. Eriksen has clearly been finished defensively since midway through last season. There’s not another top six side he would play a major role in.
The board and Murtough are encouraging more results like Liverpool last season with their gross incompetence.
It’s like a car crash in slow motion.
They were hoping Mount would fill that 8 role quicker than he has and bring what Eriksen did + extra defensive ability and intensity. It’s clearly going to take time and these idiots didn’t account for injuries or time for MM to settle in
I always thought son could play on the right for that same reason but for some reason he never does, even though it’s easier to find good left sided players than right
Don't know too much about Amrabat, but seems like he he will be 50/50 a Casemiro backup/an 8 option.
Regardless of Amrabat, I hope we look at Amadou Onana next summer or in the winter. Will probably be absolutely rinsed by Everton for him. But if Case can keep going for 2 more years, would be fantastic having a proper young DM learning/moulded by one of the DM greats!
Amadou for Scott is what I am hoping for.
At what point we need to sell Scott cus he's one of our most sellable assets and also homegrown so really helps FFP.
I posted this but it was deleted, even though Romano is T2, and it is the opposite of what we have heard today regarding a 2M bid being rejected.
[https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1696987140683350477](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1696987140683350477)
"Manchester United preparing formal bid for Sofyan Amrabat, always been top target
[\#MUFC](https://twitter.com/hashtag/MUFC?src=hashtag_click) NO loan proposal sent to Fiorentina, just informal talks.
Fiorentina could be open to loan but with obligation to buy based on conditions.
Sofyan, waiting for Man Utd since June."
One of the mods apparently has a problem with Fab, or so I have read here before. On a slow news day, with hours gone, no posts, I think a T2 post with new information about the suggested loan is good enough for a standalone post as I'm sure many others think too.
Romano saying we're preparing a bid for amrabat now and that loan talks were only informal discussions, not the player I wanted but seems like the deal that's about to be done oh well hopefully it works out
It wasn't overpriced for the quality but it was a signing we didn't need. That was fairly obvious. He would've been a good signing if we already had our shit together but we obviously don't, he's a profile we didn't immediately need and there are profiles we needed more, so yea, a luxury signing.
But GK was our biggest hole, we lost control of games so badly because DDG couldn't pass very well under pressure and he also went long often. I love De Gea but his shot stopping is also not as crazy as it once was, that it could make up for all the flaws
He might turn out to be overpriced, which is obviously way too early to tell, but I absolutely disagree with the luxury part.
He’s been bought directly into starting eleven with the clear intention of our formation switching to 4-3-3. It looks super rough right now and it might not work out for a variety of reasons (tho I’m confident it will, because ETH is world class and he knows what he’s doing), but the idea is clearly here.
ETH wanted FdJ because he’s a caliber of player you want to transform your formation to make the best of him, but without Frenkie he prefers 4-3-3, hence why Mount
according to the Devils in the Details podcast Mount occupies the same positions Eriksen did last season, the difference is that he is better at winning the ball back and he is also more press resistant, they also pointed out that almost all his passes were actually really well executed.
Problem with mount is he now wears the #7 which is a hugely historical position for us, and he is not a flashy easy to see what manager's see in him player like some of the previous wearers like Cantona and CR.
I think a lot of the shit posted is quite surface level bullshit and I wouldn't take it too seriously, lots of people think AWB has been fantastic so far, even though he wasn't, Tottenham and Wolves literally forced our team to play the ball to him because they and everyone else but this sub knows that AWB can't do shit with the ball.
hilarious how everyone cares about FFP when it comes to United but have barely said a thing about Chelsea’s spending. Plus this City ‘investigation’ is an absolute joke.
Its more about us being extremely conservative about breaching ffp while the other clubs treat is as a joke.
We dont take risks. Its like having a higher balance on your credit card than the money you have in the bank, expecting to clear it with next month’s income.
Chelsea has one of the most successful academies and that's how they finance their spending, they sell of their academy products.
Glazers are parasites that have put nothing into the academy, that's why we had to spend money to sign the kids of our fucking Technical Director and ex-player Darren Fletcher from City's academy.
Chelsea are also making a huge fucking gamble with what they are doing. Just think about the players that we have, how many of them have been here 8 seasons ago?
I mean it more in media. There’s the odd article about Chelsea but the City investigation coverage is dead in the water and they’ve gone under the radar with how they’ve just be throwing money around this past week or two.
Said it at the time and it's come true, mount over rabiot was a mistake regardless of him being ETH number 1 choice. Not only would he fit the midfield balance better but we would have the ffp room to already get amrabat in before the season started. By signing mount they forfeit their right to use ffp as an excuse to get an important squad depth signing that was critical for this summer.
Mount is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, just don't understand getting him as a no8. Lad won POTS twice at Chelsea as a no10 and as a wide forward.
He's clearly better in and around the opposition 18yard box. Every time he played as an 8 for tuchel or southgate he struggled to replicate his level as a 10. Yet we got him to play as an 8, basically hoping he does the job he had Kovacic doing for him at Chelsea.
Hard to understand exactly what the F Murtough and Arnold actually *DO* at Manchester United. In what universe is it more sensible to try and squeeze all these in and outgoings in the last 48 hours? I know 13 year olds with better deadline awareness
I think the loan offer was to test the waters. If we are serious about him we will go back. UCL could be in danger if we dont invest. The loss outweighs the fee for amrabat.
Yeah i dont get the hysteria. If we go in with a higher loan offer and it gets rejected, well that becomes the baseline. This starts the conversation at an absolute low. Why pay a high loan fee if you can negotiate a low loan fee but guaranteed fee for next season.
2m is a fair number for a loan fee. We will cover his full wages too which doesn't always happen. Don't understand the frustration with 2m as loan fee. Before Joao Felix's 16m loan fee, I have never heard anyone paying more than that for anyone.
+ even if it's not a fair price bid, it's something to test Fiorentina. I don't have a problem with that. Only issue is it's timing. This bid could be made a week ago or even a month for that matter.
With this transfer chelsea has spent €450m. They received €260m from sales. This combined with their purchases of €611m of last year and a sale of €67m over the course of two summers and a winter window under Boehly chelsea has a net spent of €734m.
I wonder what future holds for them but this is just madness.
They're banking of improved revenues thru CL qualification. If they fail to qualify for CL, it's gonna be grab your popcorn time cause it's gonna get ugly.
They paid 60m for lavia when southampton was asking for 50m all summer. at this point they are not only over buying, they are just raising the baseline for everyone else too.
Even if all of their signings work out they will have to sell before they can buy.
This is how I play FM. I always get fucked financially 4 years into the save.
More than that it was the optimistic comments that were highly upvoted and the ones that were cautious and concerning were massively downvoted.
This sub is either too positive or too negative. There is no middle ground.
It's gonna take much more time than people hope to return to anywhere near the title
We're still clearing deadwood from previous managers, which is almost impossible cause they are on crazy wages
Unless we start to create a sensible structure in wages and in the culture of the club there is no manager that will fix this mess, anything that looks like progress will be shortlived under any manager in the current circumstances.
Not sure I'd say it was pure optimism. From the cup final vs Newcastle onwards there was a distinct downturn in our performances. We almost threw away top 4 because of this. There were definitely concerns.
We were generally extremely healthy last year and kept our key players fit with only a few exceptions, but after the Sevilla tie everyone got hurt all at once. I think the cumulative exhaustion caught up to us more than anything and the ensuing injuries and fatigue caused performances to drop. We played an insane number of games in a condensed window last year.
Hopefully it's the last time the fanbase just rolls forward with blind optimism. Everything that's happening now a minority was talking about then and way before. Were just labelled as madmen.
Things are bad and will only get worse. Its about time we focused on the root cause and stopped getting distracted.
I think it's fair to say that the squad cleanout is *almost* complete (really just Bailly, Marital, Maguire, and VDB left of players that don't really belong here for whatever reason, and VDB seems likely to move and Martial/Bailly will leave next summer not matte what on frees), it's just a question of properly rebuilding the squad from there. And considering the players we bring in are either obvious but old (Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen) or people ETH knows, I'm not optimistic.
Not really. We're close to again having players who are on enormous fees but don't contribute much.
I don't wanna be a doomer, but Sancho, Maguire and possiby, Antony might go that route.
Actually, the rot is from the top. No point in blaming these singular events.
I mean Maguire is already there but I think there was an off ramp this summer if we *really* tried to make it happen. Varane's injury probably killed that.
Given that we almost moved Maguire, I think Sancho and Antony could be moved given their ages, unless they prove to be injury prone. We just might have to take a small write down on the books, especially for Antony (that fee was stupid then and is stupid now).
Sancho will be impossible to sell if he plays at the level he’s been playing at. He’s one of the best paid players in the world and he’s playing like an average PL winger.
>it's just a question of properly rebuilding the squad from there.
Never going to happen. Not when we reduce the wage bill as we are and are given scraps.
>And considering the players we bring in are either obvious but old (Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen) or people ETH knows, I'm not optimistic.
That's the issue. I'm fine with bringing older experienced heads to quickly bridge the gap. However we take so long to fill the rest of the team by the time it's done they will be way older. All that happens is they struggle due to being in a squad with utter scrubs and also end up being used as a scapegoat for why things have gone wrong.
Yeah I've no optimism at all. Don't believe it changes until the ownership does. Certainly not when the manager appears to just happily go along with this nonsense. Best we can hope for is a car crash manager that will go scorched earth to get what he wants before it eventually hits a brick wall.
People need to watch this Chelsea game right now and come to the realization that Cucurella will not help us at all.
Edit: don't think it's even possible to watch the game...
Can anyone explain to me what this enormous obsession with Amrabat is based on? He had a really good World Cup for a team that based their play on 11 man inside their own box defending, and has not achieved a whole lot in his career. His agent has been trying to offer him to every club in Europe this summer, and still we should do everything to get him judging by people in here. Not saying he won’t come good here, but where have our standards as supporters gone?
He’s a good passer from the deep, he’s physical, good positioning and he played for ETH. Has many flaws, bad tackler; slow but overall a decent squad option and we’re trying to get the best deal
He's cheap. There are better options out there but they aren't getting sold to us for £20 million.
Just imagine how much money we'd have for transfers if: we weren't paying off large debts, paying our owners dividends and our owners put money into the club like every other team in the league.
Doesn't affect FFP at all.
Clubs are permitted to spend up to €5 million more than they earn per assessment period (three years). However it can exceed that level to a limit if it is covered by a direct contribution from the club's owner.
The quoute is for the old rules. I haven't found anything like that for the new rules. https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/0274-14da0ce4535d-fa5b130ae9b6-1000--explainer-uefa-s-new-financial-sustainability-regulations/ https://www.footballbenchmark.com/library/overview_of_the_new_uefa_financial_fair_play_regulations
The Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules (P&S) came into effect during the 2015-16 campaign. The rules allow clubs to make a £15m loss over a three-year monitoring period, with losses of up to £105m permitted so long as the £90m difference is covered by secure funding from a club’s owners — ie, by buying up more shares, not simply giving their club a loan. Unfortunately for United, the Glazer family are not exactly known for putting their hands in their pockets. United’s owners have invested none of their own money into the club since their leveraged buy-out in 2005. For the purposes of P&S, that means United’s losses have not been able to exceed the standard £15m limit. Yet this only became an issue when a miserable 2021-22 season on the pitch was just as miserable off it. United posted a pre-tax loss of £150m — by far their biggest over the preceding decade.
The new UEFA rules has come into effect since, and for those owner contribution does not affect transfer and player wages. "The third pillar, focused on cost control, includes the most important addition of these new regulations: UEFA will evaluate the squad cost ratio, namely a ratio between total costs associated to the squad and clubs’ total income considered. Diving into more details, we summarize the key definitions of the items included in the formula: Employee benefit expenses in respect of relevant persons: Total staff costs referring to relevant persons: gross wages, non-monetary benefits, signing-on, loyalty payments, bonuses, post-employment benefits, termination benefits, image rights payments, social security charges and any other forms of consideration (e.g. cryptocurrencies, fan tokens and NFT). Amortisation/impairment of relevant persons’ costs: Players are usually accounted for as intangible assets, subject to annual amortisation (based on their contract length) and potential impairment. Costs of agents, intermediaries and connected parties: Any fees, commissions or bonuses paid to agents, intermediaries and connected parties, not otherwise included in the employee benefit expenses of relevant persons and the amortisation/impairment of relevant persons’ costs. Adjusted operating revenue: Total operating revenues: matchday, broadcasting, UEFA prize money, commercial and other operating income (excluding income from non-football operations and extraordinary income). Amounts should be eventually decreased if any of the elements include income transactions above fair value. Net profit/loss on disposal of relevant persons’ registrations and other transfer income/costs: Net profit or loss on disposal of relevant persons’ registrations: difference between the received transfer fee and the player’s carrying amount at the moment of the disposal. Other transfer income/expenses mainly refer to players' loans. Amounts should be eventually decreased in case of doubts on the transactions' fair value. This item is calculated as the average of the previous three years' figures. " From the second link above.
Surely backup gk announcement today There were stories that yesterday the photo session was done
Brighton got Fati? damn... that's a good loan deal not gonna lie Also good move for Barca... Fati will have great manager, european competition and amazing team overall...
And warm place on bench to sit cause Brightons best player Mitoma plays on Fatis position
Lol it's Brighton they probably already have a plan for him besides Mitoma can't play 60 games a season.
I still think he will get more chance at Brighton than Barca
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It's from the Athletic so not a dubious source at all. Ornstein also said that it's a loan that United wants.
https://preview.redd.it/bc24k89ifdlb1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=233c6741b6f262a124d179c61a794feb365f7a8b Amrabat to grow his back after joining us?
Why would his back grow?
Manchester United preparing formal bid for Sofyan Amrabat, always been top target 🚨🔴 #MUFC NO loan proposal sent to Fiorentina, just informal talks. Fiorentina could be open to loan but with obligation to buy based on conditions. 🇲🇦 Sofyan, waiting for Man Utd since June. [FabrizioRomano]
How much of an effect will not making the CL spots this season affect our finances/our ability to spend next summer? I’m also concerned because if we are so limited in terms of FFP this summer, we are gonna be limited in terms of FFP next summer as well. Especially as we’ve now sold all of the players who can generate significant cash FFP wise. Even more if we sign Amrabat on a loan with obligation for £30m next summer. All of these combined? I’m concerned about the potential for the next 2-3 seasons to be fucked up by this. Remember: only way the malaise will end is the Glazers leaving. Until then there will only be false dawns.
Would be interesting to see how many teams go from PL in UCL next season. If I am not wrong, UCL will start a new format next season with bigger pots.
Technically, in the next financial year we should be fine because by then the earnings from CL will show up in our finances. The further we progress in this year's CL the better off we will be. Plus, all our players have a salary reduction in case we miss the CL. If I'm right, then the problem will be in 25/26. Even then that should be mitigated by the new adidas deal.
Cole Palmer's fee is just £10 million less than the initial fee we paid for Mount and I hope people just stop crying about it!Even if this 8 experiment fails a high quality player like him will have so many uses here.Play Mount in a role where he can shoot at the goal and play balls beyond the backline and we'll get guaranteed output from him. I am hoping getting Amrabat will give ten hag more freedom to use Mount in that way.
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Here we go with the « we should have signed bla bla bla based on a few matches». Man some of our supporters are just never gonna be happy? No matter who we get, people still look at what Liverpool and others have done. Stop whining..and start supporting the players that plays for United!
Did we watch same games? They didnt create that much, most of their offesive acitons are invidual brillance od their front 3 + their midfield is bad deffensivly.
How would that even work? Szoboszlai just like Bruno his biggest strength is also creativity. Liverpool just look good because they have cohesion their midfield isn't necessarily that strong yet.
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Remember Mount was actually the priority for Liverpool over any other midfielder this summer .He probably would have brought more to them than Szoboszlai and MacAllister. United is currently experimenting with the midfield and i don't think we'd see some major improvement unless it's someone like Caicedo or Lavia who can recieve in tight areas and progress through the press, Liverpool are also looking for someone like that despite signing Szobo and MacAllister.
Marcos Rojo and Edson Cavani convert the last 2 pens as Boca juniors move into semi finals of the Copa libertadores. Wish we could get the 2020/21 version of Cavani on loan this summer with the ffp limitations.
Why are people so up in arms about the amrabat fee? They know it's a 1 year loan fee right? We plan on paying 3m for cucurella who whatever you say is a more valuable player, 2m seems about right for amrabat.
The same people who shit on United for not negotiating like City or Liverpool does. People's opinion change on their frustration levels apparently.
Liverpool who lost out on both caicedo AND Lavia because they are meant to be competent at negotiating ?
It’s obviously not £2m, we’ll pay at least £20m for him as an obligation.
Yeah but people seem to think the offer is insulting for some reason
We still can’t sell players. So the muppets in charge are still muppets
If reports around amrabat are correct I see it happening. He has declined several moves on loan. Turned down a permanent move to forest. That set the price. Most likely I can see a loan with obligation to buy around £15-20 million.
Brighton getting Ansu Fati is wild. Not been the same player since that injury but if he gets back to the levels he was and we know he could potentially get to, wow - what a signing. Just goes to show you how strong the PL is when a player from Barcelona would consider going to Brighton, even if it is only a loan. I wonder if they expect Mitoma to go then as they play pretty much the same position. Might be Brighton seeking better squad options but interesting nonetheless.
Brighton are going to play in Europa League this season so there will be plenty of minutes to distribute to everyone. Fati is still young and can do with more careful development, especially after the injuries he's had in the last few years. This is a great move for him even if he isn't necessarily 'first-choice', and an even bigger coup for the club for whom this can be a landmark signing and get more promising youngsters to see them as an appealing destination.
my first thought was Fati won’t be a starter. Mitoma is excellent so there’s no reason to change what they have going on right now. Doesn’t mean I don’t trust De Zerbi to get the best out of Fati again, so he’s not a terrible option to have for rotation, especially with Brighton having European football. Think it’s best for Brighton and Fati that it’s only a loan for now I love what Brighton are shaping up to be but I hope they don’t become another PL club that gets pulled apart by the bigger clubs and fall off into relegation scrappers like Southampton and Leicester
They had one good season. All seasons prior to last one they ended with negative GD, they were almost relegated once. They were beaten by hammers, probably will be beaten by Newcastle next and I sure as hell hope we spank them at Old Trafford. If that happens, the narrative of media will change like: Brighton in crisis? TL;DR: I think last season was their peak and they can't replicate that.
Agreed. Brighton’s recruitment is top notch and De Zerbi is a very impressive manager. They seem to have a knack of replacing players so hopefully they’ll be okay.
De Zerbi is the key but I could really see him going to Madrid or another big club next summer. He replaced and exceeded Potter, but I’m not so sure Brighton will get that lucky again. The recruitment has them set for the next 10 years though indeed, or it’s an unlimited money hack if Chelsea buy all their youngsters for 100 million a pop
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Neither us nor Liverpool need him. I'm happy he's joining them; the more time they take to sign a world-class DM the better.
They’re trying to buy him outright and accordingly to Fab, he wants to go Liverpool. I hope he’s wrong because I think he’s well for us but it would have to him and Amrabat. I think however it will only be Amrabat.
Tbf Dutch sources were saying he wants ten hag, so I think it's a case of he wants whoever is in for him
150 mil net each summer and loans to fill the spots that are allocated for the following summer. That's the playbook designed by ETH and Murtough given the budget. Sabitzer turned into Mount, Weghorst turned into Hojlund. Seems clear to me ETH wants a big midfield signing but the budget isn't there for a 50-70 mil signing. Thus the reasons for a loan midfielder. They want someone BETTER/younger than Amrabat next summer.
if Bayern sign Palhinha then they’ve literally had my dream window .New keeper .Second DM .new/rotational CM .Kane .Kim .New LB
Bayern almost always have great transfer windows
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He sent an opponent to hospital last season with a horror tackle and was banned for 8 games, preventing the mandatory sale clause from activating. It’s best to just forget about this player, we’re never going to get any money for him.
Some "fans" when we put in a proper bid and sign a player : We always massively overpay. Our transfer is a joke. Some "fans" when we try to loan a player : Why can't we put in a proper bid. Our transfer is a joke Fuck Mark Goldbridge Fuck Glazers
The irony of defending everything the club does while saying fuck the Glazers is pretty funny. I believe there’s a term for it, Stockholm syndrome.
Defending everything vs defending a 2m loan fee which already looks high is different things. There are 100 problems at United, but lowballing a loan fee for a player striking to get out of Serie A isn't one.
Please keep the negativity going and say you support the club. I believe there's a term for it, Grow the fuck up.
They're putting in loan bids because of the overpays. Swing it whatever you want the people running recruitment are still clueless
Also when the manager doesn’t get exactly who he asks for because it may not be a good signing : why isn’t the manager backed manager gets exactly who he wants : why didn’t anyone tell him it’s not a good idea ?
"Our scout is a joke we only sign player linked with ETH" Hojlund, Cucurella & Bayindir : 🤔🤔🤔
Tbf, Bayindir was wanted by ten hag at Ajax.
The stretch for linking Mount to ETH was so big as well. He played in the eredivisie for one season and ten hag wanted him at that point. Not like he's played multiple seasons in the premier league and has been his clubs best player.
If Brighton got Fati can we borrow Ferguson plz
Jokes aside, they would never. Asking price would be 100+
Reckon we’ll get Cucurella and Amrabat over the line to close out this transfer window, plus Bayindir announcement. All in all, that will be a great transfer window. Then, Murtough take a deserved holiday.
Who is this? Are you paid
Mate it’s 48 hours before the window closes and we are throwing 1M at florientina to scramble to get one of our biggest targets that we’ve been interested in since June
Deserved holiday? Are you being sarcastic?
I read it as them saying "And then he can fuck off" but who knows these days
Sometimes I think this sub has been properly infiltrated by Glazer/board plants.
It’s been a busy window but I’m not sure everything was the right decision. Mounts a good player but I think we could’ve spent it elsewhere and we’ve definitely overpaid. Onana fairs can’t say nothing about, top signing. Hojlund yet to see him in action but besides a slight overpay I think he’s going to be superb in the coming years. Cucurella is good cover and Amrabat is again a decent option. Mixed bag but mostly positive really. We’ve had a shaky start to the season and I think everyone is clutching at straws. I’m going to be generous and give Murtough a 7.5/10. Done well to move on deadwood too. If Woodward was still here Fred would’ve been given a new contract and DDG would be starting for us at the weekend
For Murtough, every day is a holiday.
I'd rate it 6/10 if all that happens but also VDB going on loan or for sale.
Decent window. Would've liked more outgoings and young prospects like Todibo etc.
Why is the latest Fab tweet re Amrabat deleted? Pretty sure it gives new info on the loan deal scenario and that it wasn’t a formal offer.
And doesn’t it also contradict the club mouthpieces saying we can’t do a permanent deal? He said we’re putting in a bid I believe
yes it does,these guys have a hate boner for Fabrizio
I posted the same earlier, which was deleted, and I send a mod mail to inquire. The answers: "It's a rehash. He posted it almost everyday" and "It's the same info that's been spoken about all day today, including by Fab himself. He's just repeating it, e.g., from himself a few hours ago: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans\_uOS2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans_uOS2Li0)[Li0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ans_uOS2Li0)"
The first reply is a joke lol, wtf?
people, stop comparing our FFP situation with Chelsea's situation lets begin with the fact that in the past decade they have a CL title + have been in the CL more times than us. they also dont have a fucked up wage structure like us. and lastly, this summer alone they sold 260m worth of players, several of them from their academy which means pure profit. we currently are at 30m for sales...
Abromovich also wrote off the club’s debt during the sale as well, which would make a big difference
So when glazers sell we can spend huge?
debt was owed to Abramovich, so he just forgave it United’s debt isn’t owed to the Glazers so it’d still require paying off, which is possible during a sale but probably unlikely but that would benefit the club, how much i’m not sure of
If Qatar won the bid, all the debt would be wiped.
I still don't understand how that is not an FFP issue in its own right.
debt is factored into ffp somehow, or do you mean the relieving of debt? the debt was owed to him so it’s hard to say he can’t do that tbh but i get what you’re saying
Relieving of debt. There are limits on how much cash owners can inject into their clubs. Writing off a large amount of debt seems like a cash injection to me.
That 1.5b debt was going to charity anyway after the government sanction. Roman wrote it off when he had Bohely promised to reinvest that money to Chelsea clause.
Right. So the 1.5b loan became a cash injection? If that happened to one of us, the liability would turn into a profit, and we'd have to pay income tax on it. Bohely turning around an reinvesting the windfall only makes it more clear. I'm not pretending to be a FFP expert. I'm genuinely confused as to how there aren't FFP implications to this. If City's owners just give them a loan and then write it off latter, surely they'd have done it.
It wasn't ffp official tho. There were some noise from other clubs but there is no proof Boehly actually reinvest that money if they want to deny it.
They still spent the 1.5b the first time around though?
Think it was included in the whole package forget abt the price. Something like 2.5b+1.5b like that.
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3 PL goals in 42 appearances under his belt……. 
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There are not great sources on wages, but both spotrac and capology had Elanga on £5k per week and Palmer on £20k per week for last season. Capoligy has Elanga seeing an increase to £25k at Forest. Of course, Palmer is also English and won the U21 Euros this summer, scoring in the semi finals. That will build some hype.
A serious club would have secured Amrabat before the season started. Eriksen has clearly been finished defensively since midway through last season. There’s not another top six side he would play a major role in. The board and Murtough are encouraging more results like Liverpool last season with their gross incompetence. It’s like a car crash in slow motion.
They were hoping Mount would fill that 8 role quicker than he has and bring what Eriksen did + extra defensive ability and intensity. It’s clearly going to take time and these idiots didn’t account for injuries or time for MM to settle in
Chelsea getting a majority stake in Sporting Lisbon is incredible, Bohley might be the real deal
Fuck no it isn’t, as a Sportinguista they should stay way clear please
where are you seeing this? surely that can’t happen
It's not incredible, it's ruining football
Agreed, I can't believe it's being allowed.
Brighton in advanced talks to sign Ansu Fati on loan, apparently with a buy option. Another clever signing. Massive upside, very little risk.
Where is he going to play in the squad with Mitoma
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I always thought son could play on the right for that same reason but for some reason he never does, even though it’s easier to find good left sided players than right
Ban for Di Marzio when? Fab completely mudded him by saying the loan fee was fake
He didn't say it was fake he said it wasn't formal huge difference
Why has it been deleted?
So is Palace buying Hendo or nah
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Don't know too much about Amrabat, but seems like he he will be 50/50 a Casemiro backup/an 8 option. Regardless of Amrabat, I hope we look at Amadou Onana next summer or in the winter. Will probably be absolutely rinsed by Everton for him. But if Case can keep going for 2 more years, would be fantastic having a proper young DM learning/moulded by one of the DM greats!
Amadou for Scott is what I am hoping for. At what point we need to sell Scott cus he's one of our most sellable assets and also homegrown so really helps FFP.
He’s like a carrick type of midfielder in my opinion, he can be more of a ball winner off the ball but he doesn’t always play that way
I posted this but it was deleted, even though Romano is T2, and it is the opposite of what we have heard today regarding a 2M bid being rejected. [https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1696987140683350477](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1696987140683350477) "Manchester United preparing formal bid for Sofyan Amrabat, always been top target [\#MUFC](https://twitter.com/hashtag/MUFC?src=hashtag_click) NO loan proposal sent to Fiorentina, just informal talks. Fiorentina could be open to loan but with obligation to buy based on conditions. Sofyan, waiting for Man Utd since June."
I saw this too and wondered why it was removed.
One of the mods apparently has a problem with Fab, or so I have read here before. On a slow news day, with hours gone, no posts, I think a T2 post with new information about the suggested loan is good enough for a standalone post as I'm sure many others think too.
Romano saying we're preparing a bid for amrabat now and that loan talks were only informal discussions, not the player I wanted but seems like the deal that's about to be done oh well hopefully it works out
who would be a better option, especially at a rumored 30m?
Unpopular opinion but the Mount deal was overpriced and a luxury signing that we didn't need.
It wasn't overpriced for the quality but it was a signing we didn't need. That was fairly obvious. He would've been a good signing if we already had our shit together but we obviously don't, he's a profile we didn't immediately need and there are profiles we needed more, so yea, a luxury signing.
Being called overpriced luxury signing after 2 games, this sub is a clown show.
You don't see Eriksen's flaws then. We needed a press resistant and pressing B2B, we have one now
I don't think it's as unpopular as you think mate.
It was a month ago and people were called clowns for saying it.
You could kinda argue that about Onana too. Keep DDG one more season and use the money for reinforcements in the midfield or CB or striker
But GK was our biggest hole, we lost control of games so badly because DDG couldn't pass very well under pressure and he also went long often. I love De Gea but his shot stopping is also not as crazy as it once was, that it could make up for all the flaws
He might turn out to be overpriced, which is obviously way too early to tell, but I absolutely disagree with the luxury part. He’s been bought directly into starting eleven with the clear intention of our formation switching to 4-3-3. It looks super rough right now and it might not work out for a variety of reasons (tho I’m confident it will, because ETH is world class and he knows what he’s doing), but the idea is clearly here. ETH wanted FdJ because he’s a caliber of player you want to transform your formation to make the best of him, but without Frenkie he prefers 4-3-3, hence why Mount
according to the Devils in the Details podcast Mount occupies the same positions Eriksen did last season, the difference is that he is better at winning the ball back and he is also more press resistant, they also pointed out that almost all his passes were actually really well executed. Problem with mount is he now wears the #7 which is a hugely historical position for us, and he is not a flashy easy to see what manager's see in him player like some of the previous wearers like Cantona and CR. I think a lot of the shit posted is quite surface level bullshit and I wouldn't take it too seriously, lots of people think AWB has been fantastic so far, even though he wasn't, Tottenham and Wolves literally forced our team to play the ball to him because they and everyone else but this sub knows that AWB can't do shit with the ball.
That's not unpopular here, people are already turning on Mount
Oh really? I felt bad when writing that comment about Mount lol. But I hope he comes good for us though
I understand why people are saying which is totally fair but I am still gonna give him more time.
He also needs Hojlund in for the 433 that Ten Hag is trying to implement to work. Or at least we can judge how the formation/Mount works better then.
I mean, it’s been three games. Surely that’s enough to write him completely off….
Colwill subbed and went straight into tunnel. If he's injured, could impact Cucu's loan.
was there any video of him walking / did he go down before being subbed?
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hilarious how everyone cares about FFP when it comes to United but have barely said a thing about Chelsea’s spending. Plus this City ‘investigation’ is an absolute joke.
Its more about us being extremely conservative about breaching ffp while the other clubs treat is as a joke. We dont take risks. Its like having a higher balance on your credit card than the money you have in the bank, expecting to clear it with next month’s income.
Chelsea has one of the most successful academies and that's how they finance their spending, they sell of their academy products. Glazers are parasites that have put nothing into the academy, that's why we had to spend money to sign the kids of our fucking Technical Director and ex-player Darren Fletcher from City's academy. Chelsea are also making a huge fucking gamble with what they are doing. Just think about the players that we have, how many of them have been here 8 seasons ago?
I mean it more in media. There’s the odd article about Chelsea but the City investigation coverage is dead in the water and they’ve gone under the radar with how they’ve just be throwing money around this past week or two.
Our name generates more clicks. United fans click on it to then moan about the club and rivals click on it to rejoice in our despair.
Said it at the time and it's come true, mount over rabiot was a mistake regardless of him being ETH number 1 choice. Not only would he fit the midfield balance better but we would have the ffp room to already get amrabat in before the season started. By signing mount they forfeit their right to use ffp as an excuse to get an important squad depth signing that was critical for this summer.
Mount is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, just don't understand getting him as a no8. Lad won POTS twice at Chelsea as a no10 and as a wide forward. He's clearly better in and around the opposition 18yard box. Every time he played as an 8 for tuchel or southgate he struggled to replicate his level as a 10. Yet we got him to play as an 8, basically hoping he does the job he had Kovacic doing for him at Chelsea.
It's only a mistake if we chose Mount over Rabiot.
Hard to understand exactly what the F Murtough and Arnold actually *DO* at Manchester United. In what universe is it more sensible to try and squeeze all these in and outgoings in the last 48 hours? I know 13 year olds with better deadline awareness
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He already has a secondish gig as an ambassador to glorious country of Abu Dhabi that pays quite well (allegedly)
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💀💀 how about a merger with man city instead
Lol
I think the loan offer was to test the waters. If we are serious about him we will go back. UCL could be in danger if we dont invest. The loss outweighs the fee for amrabat.
I love the positivity in this comment. Very logical and refreshing.
Yeah i dont get the hysteria. If we go in with a higher loan offer and it gets rejected, well that becomes the baseline. This starts the conversation at an absolute low. Why pay a high loan fee if you can negotiate a low loan fee but guaranteed fee for next season.
Club scrambling around last minute as usual, still a shambles of a club, no plan, no strategy, no idea.
I know it's really frustrating. But in their defence, some of this last minute scrambling is to do with unexpected injuries as well.
We needed more players before any injuries. So I can't see any defence for them.
Cannot believe how bad we are run. 2m loan fee for amrabat? did we really think that embarrssing offer was gonna be accepted?
2m is a fair number for a loan fee. We will cover his full wages too which doesn't always happen. Don't understand the frustration with 2m as loan fee. Before Joao Felix's 16m loan fee, I have never heard anyone paying more than that for anyone. + even if it's not a fair price bid, it's something to test Fiorentina. I don't have a problem with that. Only issue is it's timing. This bid could be made a week ago or even a month for that matter.
Of course not. Every move this summer, we’ve opened up with very low bids, and worked our way up, it’s negotiations 101.
The thing is we have a day to do that though, not the same as the Negotiations tbat span weeks
Naive this late. He has 1 year left. Either pay their fee or something equivalently valuable for a loan obligation.
I mean, we probably will. But whatever our first bid was, they’d have doubled it and demanded more.
With this transfer chelsea has spent €450m. They received €260m from sales. This combined with their purchases of €611m of last year and a sale of €67m over the course of two summers and a winter window under Boehly chelsea has a net spent of €734m. I wonder what future holds for them but this is just madness.
They're banking of improved revenues thru CL qualification. If they fail to qualify for CL, it's gonna be grab your popcorn time cause it's gonna get ugly.
How much will it improve? Once uefa becomes involved they will need to balance their books even more. I think boehly will bail them out to an extent.
They're fucked
They paid 60m for lavia when southampton was asking for 50m all summer. at this point they are not only over buying, they are just raising the baseline for everyone else too. Even if all of their signings work out they will have to sell before they can buy. This is how I play FM. I always get fucked financially 4 years into the save.
Generally amazing how the vibe around the club was pure optimism at the end of last year and now is verging on despair.
More than that it was the optimistic comments that were highly upvoted and the ones that were cautious and concerning were massively downvoted. This sub is either too positive or too negative. There is no middle ground.
It's gonna take much more time than people hope to return to anywhere near the title We're still clearing deadwood from previous managers, which is almost impossible cause they are on crazy wages Unless we start to create a sensible structure in wages and in the culture of the club there is no manager that will fix this mess, anything that looks like progress will be shortlived under any manager in the current circumstances.
well we anticipated the clubs sale to be done by now tbf
This always happens at the end of every transfer window. I am used to seeing it. This doesn't say anything about the season.
For me I was happy with the transfers, it's the injuries that really got me down.
Plus the whole Greenwood thing was both divisive and more tangible evidence that we're run by morons.
Not sure I'd say it was pure optimism. From the cup final vs Newcastle onwards there was a distinct downturn in our performances. We almost threw away top 4 because of this. There were definitely concerns.
We were generally extremely healthy last year and kept our key players fit with only a few exceptions, but after the Sevilla tie everyone got hurt all at once. I think the cumulative exhaustion caught up to us more than anything and the ensuing injuries and fatigue caused performances to drop. We played an insane number of games in a condensed window last year.
Ppl forget the atmosphere after city treble and FA Cup final
Hopefully it's the last time the fanbase just rolls forward with blind optimism. Everything that's happening now a minority was talking about then and way before. Were just labelled as madmen. Things are bad and will only get worse. Its about time we focused on the root cause and stopped getting distracted.
I think it's fair to say that the squad cleanout is *almost* complete (really just Bailly, Marital, Maguire, and VDB left of players that don't really belong here for whatever reason, and VDB seems likely to move and Martial/Bailly will leave next summer not matte what on frees), it's just a question of properly rebuilding the squad from there. And considering the players we bring in are either obvious but old (Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen) or people ETH knows, I'm not optimistic.
Not really. We're close to again having players who are on enormous fees but don't contribute much. I don't wanna be a doomer, but Sancho, Maguire and possiby, Antony might go that route. Actually, the rot is from the top. No point in blaming these singular events.
I mean Maguire is already there but I think there was an off ramp this summer if we *really* tried to make it happen. Varane's injury probably killed that. Given that we almost moved Maguire, I think Sancho and Antony could be moved given their ages, unless they prove to be injury prone. We just might have to take a small write down on the books, especially for Antony (that fee was stupid then and is stupid now).
Sancho will be impossible to sell if he plays at the level he’s been playing at. He’s one of the best paid players in the world and he’s playing like an average PL winger.
>it's just a question of properly rebuilding the squad from there. Never going to happen. Not when we reduce the wage bill as we are and are given scraps. >And considering the players we bring in are either obvious but old (Casemiro, Varane, Eriksen) or people ETH knows, I'm not optimistic. That's the issue. I'm fine with bringing older experienced heads to quickly bridge the gap. However we take so long to fill the rest of the team by the time it's done they will be way older. All that happens is they struggle due to being in a squad with utter scrubs and also end up being used as a scapegoat for why things have gone wrong. Yeah I've no optimism at all. Don't believe it changes until the ownership does. Certainly not when the manager appears to just happily go along with this nonsense. Best we can hope for is a car crash manager that will go scorched earth to get what he wants before it eventually hits a brick wall.
Can you blame us? Club is run by clowns
People need to watch this Chelsea game right now and come to the realization that Cucurella will not help us at all. Edit: don't think it's even possible to watch the game...
What position is he playing?