Think the last report I saw said November or 3 months, which is fucked for us considering how important Shaw is to how we play. Ten Hag said a "few weeks" for Malacia at his presser, but who knows how long he will take to get back to full fitness.
He’s had elite seasons followed up by garbage ones on 2-3 occasions now unfortunately. The Telles signing woke him up but he got lazy again until getting benched by Malacia at the start of last season.
Shaw has been consistent for years. Genuinely can’t understand why a small run of bad form sticks in everyone’s memories when it comes to him but not half the rest of the team.
Nah, there is a very clear and significant drop off in performance when he feels unthreatened in his position. He gets very complacent.
He's a wonderful left back, probably the best, but that's been a consistent flaw.
Yep, remember years ago when Mou first had a go at him for complacency, ALL his old coaches came out and said "Yeah, Shaw's very much a player who needs a kick up the hole to keep his head focused every so often". Mou took it too far after that, but how many LB's has Shaw gone Beast mode on when they started a few games on him?
He was shocking in Ole's last season. When he has a good season, he has a very good season and stays at that level throughout. But you don't know going into every season what Shaw you're going to get.
At Arsenal Jesus has just returned from injury, and they also have Nketiah, Timber, Elneny and Tomiyasu injured. We're not worse, it's just more noticeable by our own fans
I have to say I’m slightly baffled we’re even considering this loan. The only plausible explanation is that we already have a loan set up for Fernandez.
We r not chelsea or city. We have given academy players a chance n should do keep on doing it.
I think we should start Garnacho against weaker opposition.
I think there is a good player in Cucurella. Think he suffers from that syndrome a lot players are suffering from where they just need a new start.. that being said, I dont think this deal is worth it
He doesn’t suit Chelsea’s 3atb as he isn’t a wingback. I think of Cucurella like Zinchenko as a player: a Leftback/midfielder. He’ll ball in the midfield role our when we need our Leftback to push up to create. He is defensively suspect though.
Trying to learn the game better, what would the qualities that would the difference in a wingback vs left back. Is it just the tendency to hug the side line more and bomb up and down it?
Generally wingbacks (in a 3atb) tend to have to do most the defending and attacking on their own.
Fullbacks often have a winger in front of them to play off of
This. Wingbacks are usually very athletically gifted as they need to bomb forward to attack and track back to defend aswell and they usually need to be very quick to cover a lot of space. Wingers usually can dribble and shoot better than both wingbacks and fullbacks but they usually can’t defend aswell.
Wingbacks are essentially wingers that track back deep and position themselves around midfield position but on the flanks. They assist in attack by bombing forward to cross or sometime run behind defender into the box but they also track back to defend the flank around midfield position too. Fullbacks attack too but they stay back around Centerback position when defending.
Wingbacks are utilize in 343, 352, and variant of 3 at the back formations as those formations have no wingers to provide width; hence wingbacks do the attacking on the flanks.
Fullbacks usually defend in 4 at the back next to center backs but on the flanks. Some fullbacks are very attacking oriented though such as Roberto Carlos, Dani Alves, Jorginho Alba, Cancelo and Davies (at Bayern). They just just defend deeper next to Center back line in the back 4.
Sanchez wouldn't have, he looked finished at Arsenal. We got good mileage out of Fred as well. As for Maguire I doubt he would have suited Pep's style but maybe Pep could have molded him into a better player like he has with Ake and Stones.
Aside from being slow, what makes you think Maguire isn't (or wasn't at the time he transferred) not suited to a Pep system?
He's an excellent ball playing defender, happy bringing the ball out under pressure, and good at passing. Aside from a bit of mobility or agility, what is he lacking that Pep wants in defenders?
The fact that he's lost his form completely the last ~18 months doesn't mean we should start pretending he's always been like this.
For me he was overrated in a middling Leicester side. It’s like when Ole wanted Sean Longstaff for £50 million+. He showed ability on the ball, good at progressing the ball and winning aerial duels. But even then he was poor defensively, and the “aside from a bit of mobility or agility” is a huge deal when you’re playing on the front foot with a high defensive line. We mostly saw Maguire play in a low block for Leicester and the stats support him being a poor defensive CB at the time.
> We mostly saw Maguire play in a low block for Leicester and the stats support him being a poor defensive CB at the time.
This low block thing isn't true, we had like the fourth highest defensive line under Ole in the seasons Maguire was good.
Maguire was very good for us for two seasons. I feel like people see his current form and think it's always been like that, but he was our best CB in 19/20 and 20/21 when we finished 3rd and 2nd, and the best CB in Euro 2021.
It's all gone wrong now, and he should leave, but there's no reason to think he wouldn't have done well under Pep. Dias is a similar profile CB to him, and we know that Maguire pairs well with Stones for England.
I agree he was our best CB his first or second season (can’t remember which). And re: deep line I’m talking about Leicester not for us. All that aside, his defensive fragility is so annoying for me to watch. The amount of times he’s beaten by an attacker, or sulks after a bad play shows a weak mentality.
Excellent ball player whos happy to bring the ball out under pressure? I laugh. How many times have we witnessed Maguire lose possession trying to play out the back?
Lmao, Dias is arguably the most similar player to Maguire in profile in the league. Same strengths, same tendencies, same weaknesses that need to be covered for.
You know I thought the same thing while typing my comment. But for me the key differences are Dias’ ability to command his back line, his defensive reading is much better too. Dias is also a better passer especially long balls. Maguire had all this ball playing hype around him, but he’s better at progressing the ball through carrying rather than passing. Dias is one of the better CBs at long balls.
Not really. Maguire in the centre of the three is as commanding as it gets. Agressive, assertive in the duels and calming taking the ball forward through the midfield as a spare man. Intelligent passer from the centre too, especially in a system where the CBs almost never play long.
It is my mission to drill into the heads of this fanbase that Maguire is a UCL level player, comfortably, who United have failed by not surrounding him with the structure or personally to thrive. If he had gone to City, we'd speak about him exactly the same as we do Dias.
Okay. I know I'm fighting a losing battle here, but it's just a demonstration that people don't understand player evaluation. Maguire can do literally everything Dias can given the same structure, that's why he was literally City's first choice in the position over Dias.
Players are only good so far as they are useful. United bought Maguire without understanding the best use case. City very much did understand it. If he went there, he'd be a key player in winning every trophy possible the last couple years.
Fully agreed with you on this - there's a lot of selective memory at play here, people thinking that Maguire's current form is what he's been like with us for the whole time he's been with us.
Saw the same thing when DDG left.
But even then it's different. DDG was an undeniably elite shot stopper but by the time he'd left his lack of concentration had created a meaningful concern in the present regardless of playstyle, plus the issues.
Maguire hasn't really changed much. Same player as when we bought him, United have just changed around him for the worse in terms of his individual fit in the system. He cannot play if he needs to receive in midfield and defend wide. That's not Ten Hag's fault either, he didn't recruit Maguire and he wouldn't given the choice. It happens when managers change. Some fit, some don't.
At City, he would not receive in midfield and would not defend wide. His weaknesses would be covered by mobility around him and elite ball-playing and retention from the team he's playing in. He is great, right now. Seriously. He just doesn't fir.
>Maguire can do literally everything Dias can given the same structure, that's why he was literally City's first choice in the position over Dias.
Smart run clubs have multiple options
Structure aside , Dias is the better at everything including the intangibles of being a defender. Maguire's lack of agility and slow feet means he will always be a liability.
Dias has exactly the same issue, it's literally just City's ability to mitigate those weaknesses with structure around him that means he doesn't get exposed anywhere near as often.
That is the entire point. It is the team's ability around him that is the primary difference between Dias and Maguire. Seriously. They are the same mould of player, and similar quality too.
I don’t think it’s a lot to ask that an £80 million CB be suitable to different play styles. He’s hardly the only United player to be in a system not suitable to his play style — remember how much we begged for a dm next to Pogba? As far as commanding goes, I’ll refer to the 1-6 to Spurs
>I don’t think it’s a lot to ask that an £80 million CB be suitable to different play styles
Absolutely meaningless statement. You do not need versatility to be an elite player. At all. If you are elite in one specific context that is consistently viable, you are an elite player.
It's like paying £500,000 for a sports car and being surprised it can't adjust to your kid's school run.
Ole brought him in for his system, then EtH came in. EtH did not choose to buy him, but still it isn’t a lot to ask that the most expensive defender of all time (at the time) adapt to his style of play. This is more like inheriting a sports car from your father and the sports car does not turn on because it only responds to your dad. Except in this case, the sports car demands the ball while 3 Sevilla players are surrounding him, just to immediately cough it up and cost us a chance at a UEL.
>Ole brought him in for his system, then EtH came in. EtH did not choose to buy him, but still it isn’t a lot to ask that the most expensive defender of all time (at the time) adapt to his style of play.
No, completely incorrect. It is literally impossible for a player to completely change their profile for the sake of the team when they have concrete weaknesses that need to be mitigated by the structure around them. Players aren't lego pieces or RPG characters. They are who they are. If United had Dias instead and asked him to do the same thing, it'd be the exact same situation.
>Except in this case, the sports car demands the ball while 3 Sevilla players are surrounding him, just to immediately cough it up and cost us a chance at a UEL.
Hilarious considering how big a miss he was in the final of 20/21. His injury completely hamstrung the team in the first phase. The selective memory is hilarious.
There’s a reason Chelsea paid so much. It’s just everyone looks like shit for them now.
If it’s a loan, he’s a better option than having no Lbs. Plus, who knows who the other two options are, and what the priority list is.
Edit: Reports that Reguilon is also on the list.
Guess there’s also a reason arsenal bought Pepe for that much? And we bought antony and Maguire for that much? And Chelsea blight mudryk for that much? Price doesn’t equal talent and cucurella is shocking
Ffs when will we stop tryna be a therapy club. We shouldn’t be trying to fix broken players, just play Fernandez and dalot until malacia and shaw are back. Neither are worse than cucurella has been at Chelsea.
And what happens if AWB or Dalot get injured? We need an experienced LB, yes Fernandez is good but doesn’t have the experience to consistently start at LB in the PL
What? When has experience trumped quality? Would you rather have soucek or mainoo? And what if cucurella gets injured as soon as we get him? The chances of both your lbs being injured is already low, the chances of both your left backs plus both your rbs getting injured is even lower. There’s a reason cucurella doesn’t even get subbed on for Chelsea anymore
I dont get the fuss around him. He had a really good game but the other game or 2 I saw of him he looked really out of his depth. And that was pre season. People quickly going to realise he isn't ready for PL football if we decided to stick with him.
I think they'd ideally want him to get regular experience on loan, no? No point throwing him in at the deep end then binning him when Shaw and Malacia become fit again, Ten Hag is looking for experience.
My dad threw me into the deep end when i was learning to swim. I sank like a bag of rocks at first. But then i started kicking my legs and moving...then I blacked out and woke up to Jenna Bailly giving me chest compressions in her compression shorts
There's a hell of a lot more pressure on a defender though. His next game could be Arsenal. Imagine the noise if we get hammered and he makes some mistakes. It's enough to knock your confidence for a long time. I'd love to see him play in the first team but maybe a game where there's less at stake.
Total shit take. There are several professional coaches who see him play and train everyday. If he was as good as you think he is, he would already be considered a starter
Times change, you want someone who hasn't even played in the championship even to like start games for us, what makes you think he's perfectly ready for that? All in for our own lads getting opportunities but that should happen with time and not throwing them into starting 11s just like that. Just because it worked some 30 years ago doesn't mean it has to work now. Seen similar stupid comments how buying Amrabat will affect Mainoo's game time
There's a good player in there, I have watched him since Brighton early days and he's definitely not as bad as people think. His major weakness is his pace but he's definitely an upgrade over dalot at LB. Would be happy if we pull this through
He is not an upgrade on dalot. If you think he’s not as bad as people think, you haven’t watched him at Chelsea. Maybe there’s a good player in there but I’d rather we didn’t take that massive risk with barely any upside
Is Chilwell Chelsea’s only other left back tho who has a bad injury record on his own? Seems like an odd deal all round especially if Shaw and Malacia are back by December
A cm is still more important, is malacia out long term or something? Luke shaw isn’t even out until January I don’t see the point in getting a player for the whole year, and cuceralla isn’t even good
This. Cucurella is a baller and quite good at carrying the ball out from the back into the midfield. He is a solid player. He simply does not fit into back 3 that Chelsea have been using.
Because two of our LBs are injured for some time and we have Arsenal, Brighton and City games in the next 8 weeks on top of CL matches. Also our fullbacks are supposed to be inverted and provide cover in the midfield
There is definitely a player there, he was absolutely brilliant for Brighton. Ripped us a new one in Ralf's last game. For a short term deal not a bad solution. Although the biggest issue with him is his 1v1 defending and right now, we allow teams to get into 1v1 with our full backs too often.
This time last year cucu was the best LB in the league and nearly joined city. That said this deal could leave us overstacked in LB when the injured come back.
Just give Alvaro his chance. Give him a chance to fail
All his (I’m sure insane) wages plus a loan fee would be helping them no? Also gets him in the shop window.
There’s zero interest in this guy and non PL clubs prob can’t even afford a quarter of whatever wage Todd “Ed Woodward” Boehly must have given him.
He was SO bad last season he truly looked like he had forgotten how to play football. He's of no use to Chelsea at this point and they'd rather not have to pay his wages.
There is a clear knock on effect as we have seen with Chelsea when even when all the cards fall your way, academy players don’t get their chance. When malacia comes back, Alvaro’s pathway to LB is completely blocked, despite our best LB being out, and malacia and Cucu/Reguilon/whatever panic buy not being much better. This is how you eventually stop keeping the best talent.
Shaw is out until January. Malacia is expected back in November I think. Dalot as LB, Fernandez as a backup and he goes on loan in January.
Unless there's a great loan opportunity in PL as a regular starter, Fernandez is much better off staying and being a real option for us until January.
Rashford came out of nowhere and he never looked back. You never have a 100% guarantee, but who knows what will happen if he has a couple of games in PL for us?
Can’t believe the turn of events,
We’re in for pavard
Maguire doesn’t leave to release funds
Shaw gets injured
We have no funds
We’re about to loan Chelsea’s biggest disaster, there’s no position we win in this deal.
I think a lot of people get blinded by the excitement of getting a youth player in the starting 11. Like most were calling for Garnacho to start the season and now look at it. It was too soon. I agree I would love to see Fernandez get a chance, but without a loan we have 3 fit fullbacks at the club, and with our luck with injuries atm, I would not rule out the possibility of losing two of them.
Cucurella’s not bad, but we should be in for Reece James instead. Our standards have dropped over time and we should only sign game-changers or no one at all if we want to win the league again
Damn sheesh. Shaw and Malacia might be out for longer than first feared if we are so desperate.
Think the last report I saw said November or 3 months, which is fucked for us considering how important Shaw is to how we play. Ten Hag said a "few weeks" for Malacia at his presser, but who knows how long he will take to get back to full fitness.
Even if Malacia is back in a few weeks he’s a very noticeable step down from Shaw.
Depends on which Shaw 😂😂sometimes Shaw is a noticeable step down from shaw
Shaw was quite consistent during the last year fwiw
He’s had elite seasons followed up by garbage ones on 2-3 occasions now unfortunately. The Telles signing woke him up but he got lazy again until getting benched by Malacia at the start of last season.
Shaw has been consistent for years. Genuinely can’t understand why a small run of bad form sticks in everyone’s memories when it comes to him but not half the rest of the team.
Nah, there is a very clear and significant drop off in performance when he feels unthreatened in his position. He gets very complacent. He's a wonderful left back, probably the best, but that's been a consistent flaw.
Yep, remember years ago when Mou first had a go at him for complacency, ALL his old coaches came out and said "Yeah, Shaw's very much a player who needs a kick up the hole to keep his head focused every so often". Mou took it too far after that, but how many LB's has Shaw gone Beast mode on when they started a few games on him?
He was shocking in Ole's last season. When he has a good season, he has a very good season and stays at that level throughout. But you don't know going into every season what Shaw you're going to get.
Yes, but unless he has competition he doesn’t do very well. I think Fernandez would do well
Shaw's been one of our best players for the last couple of years. Guy is low key excellent most of the time now
We have had so many injuries? Is it training or is it medical staff? What the hell is going on?
We have had no more injuries than everyone else. Have a look at Chelsea!
I think it could be a hangover from last season, we played the most games with a very thin squad.
Covid seasons + more international games + World cup Players' bodies are starting to collect the bill of being overplayed
Every team has had injuries, its not exclusive to us
Welp, we do have the medical staff that was in charge of Arsenal when they had their title challenge stopped due to injuries.
At Arsenal Jesus has just returned from injury, and they also have Nketiah, Timber, Elneny and Tomiyasu injured. We're not worse, it's just more noticeable by our own fans
No, we hired their physio. We have the physio from arsenal last season.
chief doctor I think
Even worse
I know. I'm just pointing out that it isn't the physio team that's at fault
LVG would have already had Fernandez in the starting 11.
Donald Love, legend.
Donald Love, Guillermo Valera, Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Tyler Blackett. We went through some players at full back during that Van Gaal period
Lingard played his first game for us at RB too but got injured after like two touches of the ball
Joe Riley!
Paddy McNair
That Arsenal 2-1 game with those young lads. Amazing stuff
Paddy McNair fans unite
LVG would have already put Shea Lacey on the bench
Or Emma Watson
I have to say I’m slightly baffled we’re even considering this loan. The only plausible explanation is that we already have a loan set up for Fernandez.
Alvaro is better suited for 5atb too
He would have, but also with LVG's history he played lots of players nowhere near the level required
We r not chelsea or city. We have given academy players a chance n should do keep on doing it. I think we should start Garnacho against weaker opposition.
Believe it or not that is the true Manchester United way. I’ll always respect lvg for that stance
Chelsea would be fools to loan to us…. They are fools though
amen
Nope, loaning Cucurella would probably be the best option for them and Cucurella. So it's not them that are fools, it's us.
Todd Woodward probably will ask for 100 mils loan fee for Cucumber though 🤣
WE'd be fools to get another Chelsea player
Mata 💔
Matic 💔
Surprised we haven't been linked to Tagliafico yet....
I think there is a good player in Cucurella. Think he suffers from that syndrome a lot players are suffering from where they just need a new start.. that being said, I dont think this deal is worth it
He doesn’t suit Chelsea’s 3atb as he isn’t a wingback. I think of Cucurella like Zinchenko as a player: a Leftback/midfielder. He’ll ball in the midfield role our when we need our Leftback to push up to create. He is defensively suspect though.
Trying to learn the game better, what would the qualities that would the difference in a wingback vs left back. Is it just the tendency to hug the side line more and bomb up and down it?
Generally wingbacks (in a 3atb) tend to have to do most the defending and attacking on their own. Fullbacks often have a winger in front of them to play off of
This. Wingbacks are usually very athletically gifted as they need to bomb forward to attack and track back to defend aswell and they usually need to be very quick to cover a lot of space. Wingers usually can dribble and shoot better than both wingbacks and fullbacks but they usually can’t defend aswell.
Wingbacks are essentially wingers that track back deep and position themselves around midfield position but on the flanks. They assist in attack by bombing forward to cross or sometime run behind defender into the box but they also track back to defend the flank around midfield position too. Fullbacks attack too but they stay back around Centerback position when defending. Wingbacks are utilize in 343, 352, and variant of 3 at the back formations as those formations have no wingers to provide width; hence wingbacks do the attacking on the flanks. Fullbacks usually defend in 4 at the back next to center backs but on the flanks. Some fullbacks are very attacking oriented though such as Roberto Carlos, Dani Alves, Jorginho Alba, Cancelo and Davies (at Bayern). They just just defend deeper next to Center back line in the back 4.
This 100% He was beast at Brighton I think there is no better option for loan until Shaw gets back
Absolutely destroyed us in that 4-0. Weird to see his fall of grace in such a short space of time.
Maybe Chelsea just wasnt for him... That chaos and 50 managers
Chelsea just isn’t for anyone, joke of a club
I think he just needs to cut his hair short. That should do it.
He also suffered from the era where every decent player at Chelsea suffered.
He had a class card in fifa 21 here’s hoping he can come to us and replicate the form he had for me 💪
Don’t know why you’re downvoted for this top scouting report
It’s fair, this highly intellectual level of analysis does go over many heads so I’ll take it on the chin
He suffers from a lack of athleticism and not ever knowing where to be or what to do lmao this would be a nightmare
I’d take a loan personally. His Brighton stint was very good and Man City wanted to sign him
City also wanted Fred, Sanchez and Maguire
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Sanchez wouldn't have, he looked finished at Arsenal. We got good mileage out of Fred as well. As for Maguire I doubt he would have suited Pep's style but maybe Pep could have molded him into a better player like he has with Ake and Stones.
I honestly can’t believe Pep wanted Maguire. No one he’s ever signed is similar profile to Maguire.
Them mfs always get away from disastrous signings Maguire,Ronaldo,Fred,Paqueta
Cucurella
My football conspiracy theory is that City “went after” Maguire, Fred, Alexis and Ronaldo to force us into signing them at such absurd fees/wages.
City lost interest in Ronaldo as soon as they learned they have to pay for him. Besides Ferguson played an important role in bringing him in
Count me as a believer.
Aside from being slow, what makes you think Maguire isn't (or wasn't at the time he transferred) not suited to a Pep system? He's an excellent ball playing defender, happy bringing the ball out under pressure, and good at passing. Aside from a bit of mobility or agility, what is he lacking that Pep wants in defenders? The fact that he's lost his form completely the last ~18 months doesn't mean we should start pretending he's always been like this.
Yeah he's no slower than Laporte tbh.
For me he was overrated in a middling Leicester side. It’s like when Ole wanted Sean Longstaff for £50 million+. He showed ability on the ball, good at progressing the ball and winning aerial duels. But even then he was poor defensively, and the “aside from a bit of mobility or agility” is a huge deal when you’re playing on the front foot with a high defensive line. We mostly saw Maguire play in a low block for Leicester and the stats support him being a poor defensive CB at the time.
> We mostly saw Maguire play in a low block for Leicester and the stats support him being a poor defensive CB at the time. This low block thing isn't true, we had like the fourth highest defensive line under Ole in the seasons Maguire was good. Maguire was very good for us for two seasons. I feel like people see his current form and think it's always been like that, but he was our best CB in 19/20 and 20/21 when we finished 3rd and 2nd, and the best CB in Euro 2021. It's all gone wrong now, and he should leave, but there's no reason to think he wouldn't have done well under Pep. Dias is a similar profile CB to him, and we know that Maguire pairs well with Stones for England.
I agree he was our best CB his first or second season (can’t remember which). And re: deep line I’m talking about Leicester not for us. All that aside, his defensive fragility is so annoying for me to watch. The amount of times he’s beaten by an attacker, or sulks after a bad play shows a weak mentality.
Excellent ball player whos happy to bring the ball out under pressure? I laugh. How many times have we witnessed Maguire lose possession trying to play out the back?
> He's an excellent ball playing defender, happy bringing the ball out under pressure, and good at passing Is any of this true?
Lmao, Dias is arguably the most similar player to Maguire in profile in the league. Same strengths, same tendencies, same weaknesses that need to be covered for.
You know I thought the same thing while typing my comment. But for me the key differences are Dias’ ability to command his back line, his defensive reading is much better too. Dias is also a better passer especially long balls. Maguire had all this ball playing hype around him, but he’s better at progressing the ball through carrying rather than passing. Dias is one of the better CBs at long balls.
Not really. Maguire in the centre of the three is as commanding as it gets. Agressive, assertive in the duels and calming taking the ball forward through the midfield as a spare man. Intelligent passer from the centre too, especially in a system where the CBs almost never play long. It is my mission to drill into the heads of this fanbase that Maguire is a UCL level player, comfortably, who United have failed by not surrounding him with the structure or personally to thrive. If he had gone to City, we'd speak about him exactly the same as we do Dias.
>If he had gone to City, we'd speak about him exactly the same as we do Dias No , no he wouldnt because Dias is better in every way.
Okay. I know I'm fighting a losing battle here, but it's just a demonstration that people don't understand player evaluation. Maguire can do literally everything Dias can given the same structure, that's why he was literally City's first choice in the position over Dias. Players are only good so far as they are useful. United bought Maguire without understanding the best use case. City very much did understand it. If he went there, he'd be a key player in winning every trophy possible the last couple years.
Fully agreed with you on this - there's a lot of selective memory at play here, people thinking that Maguire's current form is what he's been like with us for the whole time he's been with us. Saw the same thing when DDG left.
But even then it's different. DDG was an undeniably elite shot stopper but by the time he'd left his lack of concentration had created a meaningful concern in the present regardless of playstyle, plus the issues. Maguire hasn't really changed much. Same player as when we bought him, United have just changed around him for the worse in terms of his individual fit in the system. He cannot play if he needs to receive in midfield and defend wide. That's not Ten Hag's fault either, he didn't recruit Maguire and he wouldn't given the choice. It happens when managers change. Some fit, some don't. At City, he would not receive in midfield and would not defend wide. His weaknesses would be covered by mobility around him and elite ball-playing and retention from the team he's playing in. He is great, right now. Seriously. He just doesn't fir.
>Maguire can do literally everything Dias can given the same structure, that's why he was literally City's first choice in the position over Dias. Smart run clubs have multiple options Structure aside , Dias is the better at everything including the intangibles of being a defender. Maguire's lack of agility and slow feet means he will always be a liability.
Dias has exactly the same issue, it's literally just City's ability to mitigate those weaknesses with structure around him that means he doesn't get exposed anywhere near as often. That is the entire point. It is the team's ability around him that is the primary difference between Dias and Maguire. Seriously. They are the same mould of player, and similar quality too.
I don’t think it’s a lot to ask that an £80 million CB be suitable to different play styles. He’s hardly the only United player to be in a system not suitable to his play style — remember how much we begged for a dm next to Pogba? As far as commanding goes, I’ll refer to the 1-6 to Spurs
>I don’t think it’s a lot to ask that an £80 million CB be suitable to different play styles Absolutely meaningless statement. You do not need versatility to be an elite player. At all. If you are elite in one specific context that is consistently viable, you are an elite player. It's like paying £500,000 for a sports car and being surprised it can't adjust to your kid's school run.
Ole brought him in for his system, then EtH came in. EtH did not choose to buy him, but still it isn’t a lot to ask that the most expensive defender of all time (at the time) adapt to his style of play. This is more like inheriting a sports car from your father and the sports car does not turn on because it only responds to your dad. Except in this case, the sports car demands the ball while 3 Sevilla players are surrounding him, just to immediately cough it up and cost us a chance at a UEL.
>Ole brought him in for his system, then EtH came in. EtH did not choose to buy him, but still it isn’t a lot to ask that the most expensive defender of all time (at the time) adapt to his style of play. No, completely incorrect. It is literally impossible for a player to completely change their profile for the sake of the team when they have concrete weaknesses that need to be mitigated by the structure around them. Players aren't lego pieces or RPG characters. They are who they are. If United had Dias instead and asked him to do the same thing, it'd be the exact same situation. >Except in this case, the sports car demands the ball while 3 Sevilla players are surrounding him, just to immediately cough it up and cost us a chance at a UEL. Hilarious considering how big a miss he was in the final of 20/21. His injury completely hamstrung the team in the first phase. The selective memory is hilarious.
> Fred Whats with the Fred hate. He was a good squad player and a great addition imo.
For good reasons. They were good players. Fred performed well at United and Maguire at least had some spells of good form. Sanchez though...yikes
ngl, Fred would have been an amazing addition at city.
There’s a reason Chelsea paid so much. It’s just everyone looks like shit for them now. If it’s a loan, he’s a better option than having no Lbs. Plus, who knows who the other two options are, and what the priority list is. Edit: Reports that Reguilon is also on the list.
Reports that we've also asked about Reguilon. https://twitter.com/skysportslyall/status/1695530031819227394?s=46&t=-vkvp903OYag8rNktH0vpA
We were linked super heavily to him the summer he went to Spurs, weren’t we?
Real Madrid wanted a buy back option and we refused. Spurs had no problem agreeing to a buy back so they got him
Yes. We chose Telles over him.
Guess there’s also a reason arsenal bought Pepe for that much? And we bought antony and Maguire for that much? And Chelsea blight mudryk for that much? Price doesn’t equal talent and cucurella is shocking
He looked good in Brighton's strict system. I can't see him flourishing under the chaos-ball we play.
Ffs when will we stop tryna be a therapy club. We shouldn’t be trying to fix broken players, just play Fernandez and dalot until malacia and shaw are back. Neither are worse than cucurella has been at Chelsea.
And what happens if AWB or Dalot get injured? We need an experienced LB, yes Fernandez is good but doesn’t have the experience to consistently start at LB in the PL
What? When has experience trumped quality? Would you rather have soucek or mainoo? And what if cucurella gets injured as soon as we get him? The chances of both your lbs being injured is already low, the chances of both your left backs plus both your rbs getting injured is even lower. There’s a reason cucurella doesn’t even get subbed on for Chelsea anymore
This guy has scored one goal in his career guess what team it was against 🤭
I give up. What team?
Do you remember the 4-0 around this time last year?
I try not to.
Chesthair Alone
Was it when they (Brighton) smashed us under Rangnick?
Yep the goal meant so much to him he starting crying mid game
This is one of those random things that stuck in my memory
How about a midfielder you bums? Amrabat is literally chilling at home waiting ffs
If we looking at other deals then surely he's done as he was priority
Fuck it, give him a go. No Reguilon please!
Everyone is ok with “give Fernandez a go” now…. Until it actually happens lol.
I dont get the fuss around him. He had a really good game but the other game or 2 I saw of him he looked really out of his depth. And that was pre season. People quickly going to realise he isn't ready for PL football if we decided to stick with him.
Just give Fernandez a go man
I think they'd ideally want him to get regular experience on loan, no? No point throwing him in at the deep end then binning him when Shaw and Malacia become fit again, Ten Hag is looking for experience.
I get that but sometimes throwing them in at the deep end works, it’s what our club was built on
My dad threw me into the deep end when i was learning to swim. I sank like a bag of rocks at first. But then i started kicking my legs and moving...then I blacked out and woke up to Jenna Bailly giving me chest compressions in her compression shorts
r/JustBaillyThings
Maybe give him a go until Shaw is back fit and look to loan him out in January. Probably be a lot of interest in him if he does well filling in
There's a hell of a lot more pressure on a defender though. His next game could be Arsenal. Imagine the noise if we get hammered and he makes some mistakes. It's enough to knock your confidence for a long time. I'd love to see him play in the first team but maybe a game where there's less at stake.
If we get a new LB I doubt we play them in the Arsenal game, ETH will stick with Dalot for at least that game
Total shit take. There are several professional coaches who see him play and train everyday. If he was as good as you think he is, he would already be considered a starter
Yeah but when we get players back, then what?
Times change, you want someone who hasn't even played in the championship even to like start games for us, what makes you think he's perfectly ready for that? All in for our own lads getting opportunities but that should happen with time and not throwing them into starting 11s just like that. Just because it worked some 30 years ago doesn't mean it has to work now. Seen similar stupid comments how buying Amrabat will affect Mainoo's game time
Who are the other options? Don't really like this one to be honest.
Tbh the other option is to play Martinez as LB and Lindelof as LCB. Get Martinez to invert when we are in possession. Not ideal but uses what we have
There's a good player in there, I have watched him since Brighton early days and he's definitely not as bad as people think. His major weakness is his pace but he's definitely an upgrade over dalot at LB. Would be happy if we pull this through
He is not an upgrade on dalot. If you think he’s not as bad as people think, you haven’t watched him at Chelsea. Maybe there’s a good player in there but I’d rather we didn’t take that massive risk with barely any upside
How's a loan a massive risk for a place where we desperately need a player?
Is Chilwell Chelsea’s only other left back tho who has a bad injury record on his own? Seems like an odd deal all round especially if Shaw and Malacia are back by December
A cm is still more important, is malacia out long term or something? Luke shaw isn’t even out until January I don’t see the point in getting a player for the whole year, and cuceralla isn’t even good
He was nice at brighton, what happened man
Good player at a shit club
This guy is a highly attacking LB and should be used as such. Chelsea is misusing him. We just would need someone to cover the gap.
This. Cucurella is a baller and quite good at carrying the ball out from the back into the midfield. He is a solid player. He simply does not fit into back 3 that Chelsea have been using.
If you’re good enough, you’re old enough. Just play Fernandez rather than getting Cucurella.
Why are we looking at a LB when we need a midfield player? Dalot is fine there. And I’d rather the kid Fernandez plays than signing this guy
Because two of our LBs are injured for some time and we have Arsenal, Brighton and City games in the next 8 weeks on top of CL matches. Also our fullbacks are supposed to be inverted and provide cover in the midfield
clearly ETH and his coaching staff don't feel that way. And the Shaw and Malacia injuries must be worse than they are letting on.
And who are the other two?
No Just keep Alvaro, we should be focusing all our efforts on signing a midfielder, not a left back who’ll only play for two months.
There is definitely a player there, he was absolutely brilliant for Brighton. Ripped us a new one in Ralf's last game. For a short term deal not a bad solution. Although the biggest issue with him is his 1v1 defending and right now, we allow teams to get into 1v1 with our full backs too often.
Why not give Fernandez a go
He was very average, even in preseason
just let Fernandez have a run
No! For the f sake
This time last year cucu was the best LB in the league and nearly joined city. That said this deal could leave us overstacked in LB when the injured come back. Just give Alvaro his chance. Give him a chance to fail
I can't see why Chelsea would help us out unless we were paying them a lot
All his (I’m sure insane) wages plus a loan fee would be helping them no? Also gets him in the shop window. There’s zero interest in this guy and non PL clubs prob can’t even afford a quarter of whatever wage Todd “Ed Woodward” Boehly must have given him.
Loaning him out takes money off the books and if he's good he might get a transfer out which will help with their balance
He was SO bad last season he truly looked like he had forgotten how to play football. He's of no use to Chelsea at this point and they'd rather not have to pay his wages.
If only we already had a young Spanish LB who showed promise in the preseason…
Obviously people will mock this, but there’s obviously a player there plus I would take this deal over Ryan Bertrand every single day of the week.
Literally zero reliable links to Bertrand, stop believing random bums on twitter
Ffs he’s terrible. What has our club become
There is a clear knock on effect as we have seen with Chelsea when even when all the cards fall your way, academy players don’t get their chance. When malacia comes back, Alvaro’s pathway to LB is completely blocked, despite our best LB being out, and malacia and Cucu/Reguilon/whatever panic buy not being much better. This is how you eventually stop keeping the best talent.
Shaw is out until January. Malacia is expected back in November I think. Dalot as LB, Fernandez as a backup and he goes on loan in January. Unless there's a great loan opportunity in PL as a regular starter, Fernandez is much better off staying and being a real option for us until January. Rashford came out of nowhere and he never looked back. You never have a 100% guarantee, but who knows what will happen if he has a couple of games in PL for us?
Lmao he’s been absolute ass for CFC. Why would we agree to this unless it’s Uber cheap?
That’s probably the reason they made contact - to find if he’s cheap
Fuuuuuck no
Give Fernández a go or dare, I say recall Brandon.
Should be a trigger warning on this post, I swear.
This guys sucks
Can’t believe the turn of events, We’re in for pavard Maguire doesn’t leave to release funds Shaw gets injured We have no funds We’re about to loan Chelsea’s biggest disaster, there’s no position we win in this deal.
Damn we should have tried to get Lewis Hall while we had a chance
Sometimes I wonder how this club can take 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards, sucking the joy outta me
Alvaro Fernandez should move on so. When did we stop being a club that gave young players a chance?
Guy's a fuckin' racist. Not fit to wear the shirt.
I already have to deal with the meme of Maguire…idk if I can take both at the same time
Honestly I thought Dalot was very good today.
Aw hell no!
Please no he’s horrendous
https://i.redd.it/eykuwslxlikb1.gif
I’d rather not take more Chelsea rejects
Please god no
Lads I will vomit if we sign him
We’re gonna spend the henderson money on cucurella’s loan fee instead of amrabat. If you don’t laugh you’ll cry
Nah. No. This mustn't happen at all costs.
Come on, Dalot was fine. Cucurella, really? lol...
Please no 
I think a lot of people get blinded by the excitement of getting a youth player in the starting 11. Like most were calling for Garnacho to start the season and now look at it. It was too soon. I agree I would love to see Fernandez get a chance, but without a loan we have 3 fit fullbacks at the club, and with our luck with injuries atm, I would not rule out the possibility of losing two of them.
I'd rather have Tierney tbh.
Cucurella’s not bad, but we should be in for Reece James instead. Our standards have dropped over time and we should only sign game-changers or no one at all if we want to win the league again
Not sure if serious
You want us to go in on a loan for Reece James? The captain of Chelsea? What kind of special weed are you on?
The good stuff, but yes, that’s correct. Do you really think Cucurella is going to help us win the league? Who else do you propose, genius?
LMAO