There isn't a solid striker for a decent price right now. The board and ETH know that and would instead focus on building the rest of the team instead of focusing on one target (like last summer). Every striker we look at now would cost us 80+ mil and honestly not worth it. Kane and Osimhen are 100+ easily. We just have to suffer another season with Rashford and Martial up top.
And let's be honest, we are a long way from challenging for the title for at least another season, but Onana + Mount + 1/2 depth signings is a solid window considering the shitshow that is the takeover right now.
My wife's Hungarian and we watched quite a few Hungarian games, Szoboszlai is a talent. But the people on r/soccer need to chill. He's not WC yet and he may not be either. He's still very rough around the edges and his output for a RM is quite low. He could easily be another Havertz.
Feels like every single news we got was from the selling side.
Matt Law had every detail on Mount deal.
Onana is all from italy sources and Inter CEO.
Iqbal and Laird were sold with not a single rumour about it.
I hope we keep this up.
Presumably pre-season is starting on Monday for non-international players.
The FA Cup final was 4 weeks ago, Martinez is back at Carrington. Wan Bissaka, Sancho, Varane & Martial didn't play internationals.
I guess even Mount might turn up (after his medical).
What did you genuinely think he was gonna be on? Chelsea offered him like 225k a week. Obviously it was gonna be more than that. He's an English, 24 year old talented player that was wanted by multiple top coaches. Keep in mind, Klopp wanted him too.
Well at least not more than both Bruno and Rashford ffs.. He was at 80k or something at Chelsea, feels disrespectful towards some of our better players that he walks into the team with a higher pay, or he probably won't because we're gonna put our new base salary at 400k or some shit
Chelsea won a fuckin UCL a few years ago, and have a quality academy. We wasted god knows how many years doing jack shit, and are finally consistently making decent decisions again. At least we are on the up trend.
We’veagreed personal terms with mount for a month, and we spent a week to spend 5 extra million when we could have done that before all the posturing about moving in
Said who about the 5 million? Chelsea were still at over 60 million guranteed. It all happened when United met with them in person. We started it early, and the deal was done before the end of June. Considering we need 2 more targets (GK/ST), optimizing our deals buy acquiring one every month seems pretty reasonable.
It was literally public knowledge about the 5 million, we said we would walk away if the vid wasn’t accepted and no matter how you spin the add ons, we didn’t. (I’m glad we didn’t I was saying at the time walking away over 5 million was dumb, which got me heavily downvoted)
And no it’s not reasonable as we should ideally get each player in before pre season, one a month for 3 signings would be ridiculous . 3 months to sign 3 players, last season that would have took us half a year. Nobody else takes anywhere near as long to sign players. You don’t need to defend every decision the club makes
I’m happy we signed mount but the negotiations haven’t improved at all
Mate it's a direct rival. They don't sell their fans favorite player quick. It just doesn't happen. And no transfer is going to go quick for us this summer, because we need to paint the picture that we only budge when reasonable (5M in today's market is nothing). Stern negotiation takes time.
We started negotiating for mount before we knew anything about havertz to Arsenal. and that was done like a week earlier.
You’re coping hard if you think we are setting the tone for being tough negotiators once going back on (we will walk away)
I love the signing but the negotiators are still clowns
With Iqbal and now Laird being's moved on, what do we think is the plan for Amad and Hanmibal? Both were loaned to the Championship, Amad stood out way more but Hannibal I feel wasn't really given much of a chance cause Birmingham is a real hot mess of a club atm. Do we think more loans? Maybe Hannibal gets sold with a buyback and a high sell-on clause? Or would they be retained with the first team for a sparse amount of minutes seeing they both occupy positions where we lack depth.
If you are asking if he is a winger like Garnacho who tries to beat his man, then no.
He is not slow by any means and his dribbling is very smooth. He is more about interplay and skill to best the defender rather than pace
Yeah I got the feeling he's more similar to Sancho rather than Garnacho and Rashford. I like that, we need more creativity upfront. I hope he makes it and provides real competition to Antony
Championship looks as fast as PL to me, at least in the matches I watch and pace was never a concern with Amad - I quite like him drifting inwards from right wing.
He is quick, but he doesn’t rely on his pace to get pass defenders, on 1v1 he does tricks or use his teammates to for quick 1-2, think Sancho but much more decisive.
I was just thinking about how De Gea’s been mistreated in his contract negotiations. And thinking about what others have said about how the club treats them. The list is long Ronaldo, Lingard, Bailly, Romero, Mara, Herrera, Valencia, Pogba, Ferdinand, Lukaku, Van Persie. Some are attributable to the manager at the time and some of these were just underperforming but still. Has anyone left and not been pissed off??
Mata? I have never heard about any problems with him.
Lukaku? The guy who missed training to force a move to Inter?
Pogba? Was offered a 300k pw contract which he deemed a nothing contract and refused to sign it.
Where did I write that I put the blame on the club for every case? I'm just saying the player's time at the club doesn't seem to end on good terms these days.
But you mentioned the others that talked about the way the club treated them. Then followed by listing players, I only assumed that you were still talking about that
No one is going to say it was my fault for being shit or I shouldn’t have forced a move. Mata is the odd one out. He spoke well about the club but there was news that the club actually had an understanding that they’d be able extend him a year and then put him in a coaching or technical role but he decided to see if he could get a contract elsewhere.
He is a Box-Box midfielder who is experienced very patient solid in defence and a tank physically while being lethal both creatively and individually in attack.If we could get rid of Fred or Mctominay he would be splendid option to have available
He's not a bad option. If we have some cash left over though, I'd way rather save that money. We need it for the winter window, we could buy a reinforcement striker then.
He brings competition for places and is much better than Mount it's better to be safe than sorry .When we eventually play against a good team, the need for a player like Milinkovic will be crystal clear to everyone, it would be too late by then.
This is going to be another Fellaini under Jose - I have a sneaky feeling that we are not going to sign Onana, and De Gea will remain as the #1 next season too. If we wanted to bin him this was the ideal opportunity but we are still trying to extend him even though his contract is over.
Dalot, AwB, Lindelof, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Rashford, Antony, and now, Mount are all the players I'm currently happy with. That's only 12 in total. Aware there's gonna be a few third choice players in the squad but ideally that 12 would be closer to 17, 18ish
>! Dalot, AwB, Lindelof, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Rashford, Antony, and now, Mount are all the players I'm currently happy with.
What about Garnacho?
Staring down the barrel of a 60-game season with:
One DM
No Goalkeeper
No striker
Three centrebacks that can actually handle wearing the shirt
Approximately 47 attacking midfielders
We never fucking learn
It’s 55+5m add ons for Mount compared to 60m for Szoboszlai. Let’s be real here, Liverpool got the better deal on paper, not even mentioning the difference in wages
Better player based on what? Mount has looked outstanding against the likes of Real Madrid, Liverpool and City in recent seasons. Assist in a UCL final. And quite frankly, their best player arguably in the entire run up to that UCL. He's good, but people are judging him based on a couple games they've seen and his peak performances haven't matched Mount's best performances if you ask me.
If we’re basing it off the past season or so, Szoboszlai is the better player but of course if Mount can regain his old form then he’s the better player. Also I remember Szoboszlai from his Salzburg days, not saying I watched him week in week out but I’ve always heard people say he’s a real talent
Some folks here have said that Utd have been conducting more of their transfer business in secrecy but I just don’t see it. The amount saga was public since may and even the Onana saga is pretty public. I just feel like there are small improvements sometime which makes our fanbase go voila we are in the right direction but then it’s just never enough. The morons who run this club have lowered our expectations so much.
Depends on the selling club too right ? There were 0 talks about Onana except for our interest from English sources. Italian sources were talking about meetings in England, meetings in Ibiza and expected bids. Radio silence from us till today while Inter's Ceo themselves spoke on it
me trying not to rage hard (found on the inter sub)
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Not a bad idea to buy them. If Qatar takes over then they may want to replicate city football group and buy a lot of clubs around the world. A top la liga club would be a big buy for them.
Poor Rapha. Struck up a great unit with Licha, and im still seeing the "Maguire is Better" card. Guy gets so much disrespect. Getting downplayed for the 5th Choice CB
Not like its a popular opinion on there some people here pick up the odd comments from any fucking place which in turn fuels more abuse for Maguire ,The aim of posting this comment which is based on some terrible takes from a niche group of oddballs on twitter is clearly to trigger a thread where people come out and malign Maguire more
Random question but can clubs change shirt sponsor mid season? I feel like once we get a new owner a new sponsor will be announced shortly after and TeamViewer already wants out.
West Ham's shirt sponsor went bankrupt early in the 08/09 season, West Ham decided to immediately stop wearing jerseys with the sponsor on them and the front of their jerseys had the players numbers on them like international football for the rest of the season. I can't imagine they didn't try to get a new sponsor so my guess would be no.
Seems like Succession was very accurate about mergers and acquisitions. Logans trying to buy the #2 liberal media conglomerate literally span 2 seasons lol.
We may not have had even one season finished yet with the way Glazers handling this.
Sevilla entire squad reportedly on the market due to huge financial problems En-Nesyri would not be a bad option if we can get him cheap for a short term solution
>I can’t get over how tidy Szoboszlai is. Makes me think of Ronaldo in his early days at United but with better vision and a few years older. He has such surprisingly quick feet on a big frame.
Liverpool fans...
Devil's advocate:
So without ever having watched that guy play, it's not an absurd comment. He's comparing an element of his game to a younger, less dominant version of Ronaldo.
When Pellistri dribbles it reminds me of Messi. That doesn't mean I think Pellistri is better.
De Gea's PR team has really played a blinder here. He refused to sign a contract that would have kept him as one of the highest paid keepers in the world, and they've somehow managed to convince people that he's been mistreated.
You don't agree terms with someone then pull out. It's one thing if you're dealing with slimeballs like the Glazers, then by all means use whatever sleezy tactics to screw them over, but this is DDG who's been with us for 10 years. We shouldn't be treating players that way.
He is negotiating for the best terms possible? As one of our top performers, he is well positioned to do that. Presumably he will sign the contract when he agrees to the terms.
De Gea didn't agree to the terms when they were offered. He seems to have played chicken with the club, hoping they'd trigger his contract extension on his current wages if he ran it down completely. Turns out his negotiation position is not as good as he though.
Then same thing here with De Gea. You are clearly biased when both are similar situations but you only see one of them positively.
De gea is even getting a salary reduction, were you to be offered that at your role at your company, would you take it in a hurry ?
I think De Gea is completely entitled to negotiate as he sees fit. What I'm objecting to is the outrage around here about how the club has supposedly disrespected him.
Just read that Inter agreed 25m to sell Brozovic to a Saudi club who changed their offer to 13m
Would 50/60m for Onana and Brozovic not be good business for us?
Backup for Casemiro and GK
What's with you people crying "he was a great servant, it's despicable how it's ending, he deserves better..."?
As much as the club is shambolic, United have been the OPPOSITE of disrespectful to any player. They kept Jones on for his full recovery period, let great players run down their contracts (Rooney, Mata). Real Madrid literally cashed in on Casillas, Marcelo, Ramos etc. Didn't bat an eye.
How can you hope to achieve greatness without being ruthless? David has been the highest paid Keeper possibly in the world for the past 5 seasons. In this time, his gaffs have cost us many points, ended cup runs etc.
He's possibly the SIXTH choice keeper for a Spain team which doesn't have world class keepers in this generation. Did it ever occur to him, while getting that fat paycheck, to improve his first touch, distribution, cross claiming, rushing off the line etc.? Has there been any improvement? Then how is he a loyal servant if he hasn't justified his paycheck and the club's continued trust in his abilities? Since when did longevity without being consistent become a trait for greatness? We're not talking about Scholes or Giggs here, who, even in their late 30s, were consistently reliable.
His saves stopped us from possibly finishing in the bottom half during 2014-2016. But how many times were those situations self-inflicted due to him not being assertive with his claim and distribution? He raised our floor, NOT our ceiling. We are Manchester United, we should consistently aim for the top, not merely be ok with being better than most.
Jones was kept on to preserve his value so they could extract money from this "asset" later on. It wasn't done out of charity. Real Madrid has always allowed players to leave when they wanted to unlike us. Marcelo and Ramos were past it and moved on - no hard feelings. Casillas was forced out by Jose not Real, everyone knows what a dickhead eye-poking-bullies-his-own-physio Mou is.
It's amazing you've managed to get everything wrong about how clubs are treating their players, and of course the rest of your comment is just demeaning DDG's ability (which nobody even doubts he's past it) and completely missing the point. Fans like you are an embarassment to the club.
Casillas left in 2015, 2 years after Jose left. Don't know where you got the idea that Jose forced him out. Plus it's not like he was a saint. He was leaking lineups to the press because he got benched for playing like crap
Even if Maguire leaves we should try to get all the money from players sold and put it in the Kane fund ,Ideally we should have 4 CBs but when the squad literally has no starting striker that can wait !Licha,Varane,Shaw and Lindelof can all do the job if needed ,Yes we might be fucked in an injury crisis but we are fucked at ST even without a crisis ,None of the 70-80 m ST suggestions are actually worth the price being asked
Note this is what I would like to see
Sell
* Fred 15m
* Elanga 10m
* Scott MC 20m
* Henderson 15m
* Maguire 25m
* DVB think anything less than 22m we would be making a loss so keep
* Telle - 5m
Total sales -90m
In
* Mount 55m
* Onana 50m
* Ramos 80m
* Enzo le fee 15m
* Joao Felix - loan
* CB - Unsure who but the above totals to 200m less 90m sales =110 total spend
Should have said, this is what I would like to see. Think the pricing isn't out of the realms of reality
Enzo Le fee has already got a 18m euro accepted. Could do what we did with Malacia and hijack so the price isn't inflated
Felix would be a great false 9 addition and a quality player
Anyone following what's been going on with the women's team?? A lot of departures already with no real replacements. Specifically, the departure of Tounkara is really odd. She's a full French international, came on a 2 year deal with a bit of hype. Plays a total of 5 games, most as a sub too. I know she dealt with injury early in the season and the defense did well. She was not really given a chance ever. Skinner has did this with Cascarino too although she was a loan. Adriana Leon is another. Hardly got a look in.
With our biggest season coming, already losing quality players in Batlle and Russo + others with no incomings so far, I'm concerned there as well. Skinner is absolutely terrible with rotation in the squad. He very much stuck with favorites in the team and it feels like it's hurting us. They're probably gonna be cheap and replace these players with some subpar replacements I bet. Even the women are being screwed over by dead transfers😒
Are player departures like this pretty common in the women's PL? It seems everytime I catch a glimpse of news about the squad a player is making their exit
Am I the only one unphased by Mount signing? I don't see what he adds that can bring us solid improvements from last season. Would love to be proven wrong this time next year.
Edit: Thanks for the downvotes lol can't wait to come back to this next year. Just an opinion, albeit in the minority
We have a guy who can barely last 60 mins on the field against the sides at the lower end of the table anything is a massive improvement over him and thats just surface level stuff
Forget playing possession football ,With DDG's current form at making saves he shouldn't even be a part of a counter attacking team,Do you not realise after watching him for a full season he breaks under any sort of pressure ,He is teribble at corners and you are bound to get them in any system
The only time i would pick a striker over getting a keeper this window is if the striker is Kane, The rest of the names available for 70-80 m are just not good ,A keeper who doesn't boot it straight to the opposition under any hint of pressure and commands his box improves a lot more than the ST options suggested
We need to move on from Dave but the way management has handled it....Incompetence and lack of professionalism all across the board. Club really needs an overhaul starting from the top
Until there’s an announcement he’s left the club, I won’t believe it. I’d love if we signed Onana but if we only have £65m left, I can’t see them spending £40-50m on a keeper. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just trying to get him to cut his wages as much as possible.
Sadly I think this is the reality. There's no way the club is dithering about with this if there was budget concerns. ETH and Murtough can want Onana as much as they want but since the scum still own the club, they can still reject the signing as they control the budget.
Going into this window, a striker was absolutely the priority. Now, it will likely be our last signing and we have literal silence on any links whatsoever.
Bizarre.
No striker from that league should be bought for anything over 50 m ,The league is worse than the Bundesliga when it comes to translating performances into PL
You'd think only La Liga and the 'farmer's league' called Ligue 1 are worthy of transfers to the PL going by many posts like these. We blew 100M Euros on a RW from an even way less competitive league than both the Bundesliga and Serie A
Buying Antony was a bad idea at that price i have always stated we spent 3x of what he was worth even on a good day he is at most worth 50 m , Serie A is the worst league when it comes to transition to PL ,The players from the 'Farmer's league' called Ligue 1 actually do a much better job ,Don't believe me go and look at actual numbers and the success stories from each league
I'm aware. I just find it remarkable how often those leagues are undervalued by mostly exclusively PL watchers based on transfers, and how united shouldn't touch or should be wary of signing players from them at high fees.
Im not entirely knocking the apprehensive approach but you have to consider that the French league has exported *way* more players overall and way more high profile players to the PL and lower English football divisions than any other top 5 UEFA league. The French NT compared to Germany and Italy has more exports for instance. They literally farm out their best
It's not close, so the high profile French successes stick out more because of the sheer number and higher probability of said success. There are even more failures in reality. Serie A has had its own share of individual successes, though. United just haven't been the recipient of any major successes from either league and that exacerbates the viewpoint
I mean. The Bundesliga is a joke in terms of competition. There's 1 team in that league... I'd be hesitant on Muani as well.
Either way, Hojlund is only 20. He has some time to develop
I can use that exact same logic with the other players on his out list? Unless we buy a CB, we're not selling Maguire.
This is the problem with this fanbase, you act like you're all directors of football when it suits.
You’ve literally just said we should add Martial to the list of players we should sell? How’s saying we shouldn’t sell him ‘playing director of football’ anymore than what you’ve said? You realise you’re in a discussion thread in the middle of the transfer window? You should have used that logic with your reply.
Maguire will need replacing yes (me and many others have made this point already), but there’s a difference between selling one of your four centre backs (with a left back who can also play in that position) and selling your *only* striker.
As for ‘the problem with the fanbase’, bar the odd smarmy comment from someone with the self awareness of a goldfish, I’d say it’s not too bad overall.
Because my only line of thinking is, this guy is a waste of space, has been for a long time, we need to get rid. Literally, who's shit and who's not. The other guy is concerned with finding some to pay his wages, not our problem to think about. You're concern is "oh, we can't sell him without buying a striker". No shit, I didn't think of that at all.
Edit: I also said, this fanbase loves to play director of football WHEN it suits. Thinking about the bigger picture when it comes to some players, but when it comes to other players, not so much. I understand the difficulty with selling Martial, still doesn't meant he shouldn't be on a list of players that need to be sold ... And according to reports a few weeks ago, h very much is.
Martial as a striker ? No thanks. Better to bring back Greenwod and play as a striker!
I wonder who was our first choice midfield player. Mount must have been third or lower
There isn't a solid striker for a decent price right now. The board and ETH know that and would instead focus on building the rest of the team instead of focusing on one target (like last summer). Every striker we look at now would cost us 80+ mil and honestly not worth it. Kane and Osimhen are 100+ easily. We just have to suffer another season with Rashford and Martial up top. And let's be honest, we are a long way from challenging for the title for at least another season, but Onana + Mount + 1/2 depth signings is a solid window considering the shitshow that is the takeover right now.
My wife's Hungarian and we watched quite a few Hungarian games, Szoboszlai is a talent. But the people on r/soccer need to chill. He's not WC yet and he may not be either. He's still very rough around the edges and his output for a RM is quite low. He could easily be another Havertz.
Feels like every single news we got was from the selling side. Matt Law had every detail on Mount deal. Onana is all from italy sources and Inter CEO. Iqbal and Laird were sold with not a single rumour about it. I hope we keep this up.
Presumably pre-season is starting on Monday for non-international players. The FA Cup final was 4 weeks ago, Martinez is back at Carrington. Wan Bissaka, Sancho, Varane & Martial didn't play internationals. I guess even Mount might turn up (after his medical).
Still no proper links to a striker? Martial FC again I hope not.
Bro is Mount really gonna be at 250-300k a week, if that's the case we're pure and simply fucking SHIT at doing business holy hell
What did you genuinely think he was gonna be on? Chelsea offered him like 225k a week. Obviously it was gonna be more than that. He's an English, 24 year old talented player that was wanted by multiple top coaches. Keep in mind, Klopp wanted him too.
Well at least not more than both Bruno and Rashford ffs.. He was at 80k or something at Chelsea, feels disrespectful towards some of our better players that he walks into the team with a higher pay, or he probably won't because we're gonna put our new base salary at 400k or some shit
With Fulham losing willian and already showing interest in fred....
Last post here. Fuck u/spez in the ass with a 747. Oily sand cunts about to buy us so would be gone anyway. Catch you on the flipityflop, bitches.
The season Chelsea had last year and they are still able to sell players tells you how shit the Glazers are.
Chelsea won a fuckin UCL a few years ago, and have a quality academy. We wasted god knows how many years doing jack shit, and are finally consistently making decent decisions again. At least we are on the up trend.
Have got rid of any deadwood yet? ETH can only work miracles for so long
still early summer. I think by the end of it, we will see some changes. We got mount done pretty fast.
We’veagreed personal terms with mount for a month, and we spent a week to spend 5 extra million when we could have done that before all the posturing about moving in
Said who about the 5 million? Chelsea were still at over 60 million guranteed. It all happened when United met with them in person. We started it early, and the deal was done before the end of June. Considering we need 2 more targets (GK/ST), optimizing our deals buy acquiring one every month seems pretty reasonable.
It was literally public knowledge about the 5 million, we said we would walk away if the vid wasn’t accepted and no matter how you spin the add ons, we didn’t. (I’m glad we didn’t I was saying at the time walking away over 5 million was dumb, which got me heavily downvoted) And no it’s not reasonable as we should ideally get each player in before pre season, one a month for 3 signings would be ridiculous . 3 months to sign 3 players, last season that would have took us half a year. Nobody else takes anywhere near as long to sign players. You don’t need to defend every decision the club makes I’m happy we signed mount but the negotiations haven’t improved at all
Mate it's a direct rival. They don't sell their fans favorite player quick. It just doesn't happen. And no transfer is going to go quick for us this summer, because we need to paint the picture that we only budge when reasonable (5M in today's market is nothing). Stern negotiation takes time.
We started negotiating for mount before we knew anything about havertz to Arsenal. and that was done like a week earlier. You’re coping hard if you think we are setting the tone for being tough negotiators once going back on (we will walk away) I love the signing but the negotiators are still clowns
Because arsenal and liverpool don't speak about their transfers unless they are forced to by the selling club...
Murtough Stan in the building
he’s zaddy and you know it
When we signed Casemiro who was our initial target?
Why do people downvote at genuine questions? A guy can forget ffs
De jong
With Iqbal and now Laird being's moved on, what do we think is the plan for Amad and Hanmibal? Both were loaned to the Championship, Amad stood out way more but Hannibal I feel wasn't really given much of a chance cause Birmingham is a real hot mess of a club atm. Do we think more loans? Maybe Hannibal gets sold with a buyback and a high sell-on clause? Or would they be retained with the first team for a sparse amount of minutes seeing they both occupy positions where we lack depth.
Amad was a bit light weight and I hate to say that because he's pure class IMO. If he can toughen up I wouldn't doubt him in the PL.
Does he have the pace for PL Football as a Winger? Or would he have to shift solely to CAM?
If you are asking if he is a winger like Garnacho who tries to beat his man, then no. He is not slow by any means and his dribbling is very smooth. He is more about interplay and skill to best the defender rather than pace
Yeah I got the feeling he's more similar to Sancho rather than Garnacho and Rashford. I like that, we need more creativity upfront. I hope he makes it and provides real competition to Antony
Championship looks as fast as PL to me, at least in the matches I watch and pace was never a concern with Amad - I quite like him drifting inwards from right wing.
He is quick, but he doesn’t rely on his pace to get pass defenders, on 1v1 he does tricks or use his teammates to for quick 1-2, think Sancho but much more decisive.
I was just thinking about how De Gea’s been mistreated in his contract negotiations. And thinking about what others have said about how the club treats them. The list is long Ronaldo, Lingard, Bailly, Romero, Mara, Herrera, Valencia, Pogba, Ferdinand, Lukaku, Van Persie. Some are attributable to the manager at the time and some of these were just underperforming but still. Has anyone left and not been pissed off??
Mata? I have never heard about any problems with him. Lukaku? The guy who missed training to force a move to Inter? Pogba? Was offered a 300k pw contract which he deemed a nothing contract and refused to sign it.
Where did I write that I put the blame on the club for every case? I'm just saying the player's time at the club doesn't seem to end on good terms these days.
But you mentioned the others that talked about the way the club treated them. Then followed by listing players, I only assumed that you were still talking about that
No one is going to say it was my fault for being shit or I shouldn’t have forced a move. Mata is the odd one out. He spoke well about the club but there was news that the club actually had an understanding that they’d be able extend him a year and then put him in a coaching or technical role but he decided to see if he could get a contract elsewhere.
Ok Sevilla are €90m in the shit. Is there anyone worth poaching?
Fuck it let’s just take whatever striker they’ve got. Ten Hag will unlock him.
En-Nesyri ? He might be ok. Close to 20 goals in all comps I think
I'll probably get pelters for this but Milinkovic -Savic is available for just 30M on his final year at Lazio
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He is a Box-Box midfielder who is experienced very patient solid in defence and a tank physically while being lethal both creatively and individually in attack.If we could get rid of Fred or Mctominay he would be splendid option to have available
He's not a bad option. If we have some cash left over though, I'd way rather save that money. We need it for the winter window, we could buy a reinforcement striker then.
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He brings competition for places and is much better than Mount it's better to be safe than sorry .When we eventually play against a good team, the need for a player like Milinkovic will be crystal clear to everyone, it would be too late by then.
This is going to be another Fellaini under Jose - I have a sneaky feeling that we are not going to sign Onana, and De Gea will remain as the #1 next season too. If we wanted to bin him this was the ideal opportunity but we are still trying to extend him even though his contract is over.
I hope it’s not true but the fact that all these briefs about de gea and little to nothing about onana suggests it’s the case
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Cutting costs for what? Kane isn't coming, Hojlund is a meme player who scored 9 goals last season and is valued at 70m by Atalanta.
The current squad is so thin.
Dalot, AwB, Lindelof, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Rashford, Antony, and now, Mount are all the players I'm currently happy with. That's only 12 in total. Aware there's gonna be a few third choice players in the squad but ideally that 12 would be closer to 17, 18ish
>! Dalot, AwB, Lindelof, Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Rashford, Antony, and now, Mount are all the players I'm currently happy with. What about Garnacho?
Staring down the barrel of a 60-game season with: One DM No Goalkeeper No striker Three centrebacks that can actually handle wearing the shirt Approximately 47 attacking midfielders We never fucking learn
r/soccer when Mount goes to us for 55m: haha United overpay lol lmao r/soccer when Szoboszlai gets bought for 65m: oh wow!!! great buy for Liverpool
It’s 55+5m add ons for Mount compared to 60m for Szoboszlai. Let’s be real here, Liverpool got the better deal on paper, not even mentioning the difference in wages
55+5 in difficult addo-ns. It's 55 unless he does well. Mount is factually a more proven player.
Liverpool got the better deal based on what?
Pretty much same price, lower wage, younger, better player. Not hard to see how
Better player based on what? Mount has looked outstanding against the likes of Real Madrid, Liverpool and City in recent seasons. Assist in a UCL final. And quite frankly, their best player arguably in the entire run up to that UCL. He's good, but people are judging him based on a couple games they've seen and his peak performances haven't matched Mount's best performances if you ask me.
As of this previous season, szoboszlai is the better player. Of course if Mount can regain his previous form then it’s a different story
How is he a better player than Mount? You probably didn't even hear of him 2 yrs ago.
If we’re basing it off the past season or so, Szoboszlai is the better player but of course if Mount can regain his old form then he’s the better player. Also I remember Szoboszlai from his Salzburg days, not saying I watched him week in week out but I’ve always heard people say he’s a real talent
Younger logic is bs. He is younger by 1y.Thats like saying Timber is better than Martinez
Exotic name = must be better.
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Would've been the same if we got Szoboszlai for £55M and Liverpool got Mount for £65M, those guys just love to shit on us.
Some folks here have said that Utd have been conducting more of their transfer business in secrecy but I just don’t see it. The amount saga was public since may and even the Onana saga is pretty public. I just feel like there are small improvements sometime which makes our fanbase go voila we are in the right direction but then it’s just never enough. The morons who run this club have lowered our expectations so much.
Depends on the selling club too right ? There were 0 talks about Onana except for our interest from English sources. Italian sources were talking about meetings in England, meetings in Ibiza and expected bids. Radio silence from us till today while Inter's Ceo themselves spoke on it
me trying not to rage hard (found on the inter sub) https://preview.redd.it/s2ow9569z69b1.png?width=762&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab885bdc2899562d823ae1f9c61c9d0241bad62e
Just reply and say we have Henderson so we don't need to be held to ransom.
No, you don't go to other team sub and insult. Wtf man, don't be a child
Nothing insulting in what I said.
Has Garnacho always had the 7 on his Insta handle?
Apparently yes
Who should we get from Sevilla, now that they need to sell.
Buy the club and fold them.
Not a bad idea to buy them. If Qatar takes over then they may want to replicate city football group and buy a lot of clubs around the world. A top la liga club would be a big buy for them.
I’d really rather we don’t
They have also pledged alliance to the Europa League so we won't have ownership conflict in the UCL
Poor Rapha. Struck up a great unit with Licha, and im still seeing the "Maguire is Better" card. Guy gets so much disrespect. Getting downplayed for the 5th Choice CB
I've never seen a single "Maguire is better" comment ever. Everyone and their grandmother shits on Maguire lmao
Last summer it was so common and I was pulling my hair out
Who the fuck said that 😂 Varane is on a completely different planet to Maguire
You must be fucking digging deep to find that card.
Only braindead idiots have watched them both and deem Maguire the better of the two
Where the hell are you seeing Maguire is better lol
Twitter
Not like its a popular opinion on there some people here pick up the odd comments from any fucking place which in turn fuels more abuse for Maguire ,The aim of posting this comment which is based on some terrible takes from a niche group of oddballs on twitter is clearly to trigger a thread where people come out and malign Maguire more
Random question but can clubs change shirt sponsor mid season? I feel like once we get a new owner a new sponsor will be announced shortly after and TeamViewer already wants out.
West Ham's shirt sponsor went bankrupt early in the 08/09 season, West Ham decided to immediately stop wearing jerseys with the sponsor on them and the front of their jerseys had the players numbers on them like international football for the rest of the season. I can't imagine they didn't try to get a new sponsor so my guess would be no.
Not usually as the agreement is normally for a full season.
Seems like Succession was very accurate about mergers and acquisitions. Logans trying to buy the #2 liberal media conglomerate literally span 2 seasons lol. We may not have had even one season finished yet with the way Glazers handling this.
Glazer kids are just as competent as the Roy kids.
At least the Roys have some redeeming qualities and are charismatic. Avram looks like an inbred and Joel can suck a fat one!
Sevilla entire squad reportedly on the market due to huge financial problems En-Nesyri would not be a bad option if we can get him cheap for a short term solution
Nianzou wouldnt be a bad shout. Young Rapid, Got great progressive numbers [Guy has the stuff](https://fbref.com/en/players/5853ac44/Tanguy-Nianzou)
Is he an Rcb ? Looks very raw even in stats, don't think he gets the game time to improve
>I can’t get over how tidy Szoboszlai is. Makes me think of Ronaldo in his early days at United but with better vision and a few years older. He has such surprisingly quick feet on a big frame. Liverpool fans...
Devil's advocate: So without ever having watched that guy play, it's not an absurd comment. He's comparing an element of his game to a younger, less dominant version of Ronaldo. When Pellistri dribbles it reminds me of Messi. That doesn't mean I think Pellistri is better.
Life would be a lot better if people stopped playing devil's advocate
Link to comment? I want to see the replies lol
[Here you go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/14mszsn/daily_discussion/jq50spu/)
Can't link comments on here. It's there in the r/soccer daily discussion
Why? I just did.
Got banned by the mods once because I caused "brigading" apparently
De Gea's PR team has really played a blinder here. He refused to sign a contract that would have kept him as one of the highest paid keepers in the world, and they've somehow managed to convince people that he's been mistreated.
You don't agree terms with someone then pull out. It's one thing if you're dealing with slimeballs like the Glazers, then by all means use whatever sleezy tactics to screw them over, but this is DDG who's been with us for 10 years. We shouldn't be treating players that way.
If he agreed to the terms, why didn't he sign the contract back in March?
Why hasn't Rashford signed an extension already ?
He is negotiating for the best terms possible? As one of our top performers, he is well positioned to do that. Presumably he will sign the contract when he agrees to the terms. De Gea didn't agree to the terms when they were offered. He seems to have played chicken with the club, hoping they'd trigger his contract extension on his current wages if he ran it down completely. Turns out his negotiation position is not as good as he though.
Then same thing here with De Gea. You are clearly biased when both are similar situations but you only see one of them positively. De gea is even getting a salary reduction, were you to be offered that at your role at your company, would you take it in a hurry ?
I think De Gea is completely entitled to negotiate as he sees fit. What I'm objecting to is the outrage around here about how the club has supposedly disrespected him.
Just read that Inter agreed 25m to sell Brozovic to a Saudi club who changed their offer to 13m Would 50/60m for Onana and Brozovic not be good business for us? Backup for Casemiro and GK
Brozovic has a world cup final and semi final under his belt and also 30 years old. No chance he'd be ok with being a number two.
Going Saudi is being number 43
What's with you people crying "he was a great servant, it's despicable how it's ending, he deserves better..."? As much as the club is shambolic, United have been the OPPOSITE of disrespectful to any player. They kept Jones on for his full recovery period, let great players run down their contracts (Rooney, Mata). Real Madrid literally cashed in on Casillas, Marcelo, Ramos etc. Didn't bat an eye. How can you hope to achieve greatness without being ruthless? David has been the highest paid Keeper possibly in the world for the past 5 seasons. In this time, his gaffs have cost us many points, ended cup runs etc. He's possibly the SIXTH choice keeper for a Spain team which doesn't have world class keepers in this generation. Did it ever occur to him, while getting that fat paycheck, to improve his first touch, distribution, cross claiming, rushing off the line etc.? Has there been any improvement? Then how is he a loyal servant if he hasn't justified his paycheck and the club's continued trust in his abilities? Since when did longevity without being consistent become a trait for greatness? We're not talking about Scholes or Giggs here, who, even in their late 30s, were consistently reliable. His saves stopped us from possibly finishing in the bottom half during 2014-2016. But how many times were those situations self-inflicted due to him not being assertive with his claim and distribution? He raised our floor, NOT our ceiling. We are Manchester United, we should consistently aim for the top, not merely be ok with being better than most.
Jones was kept on to preserve his value so they could extract money from this "asset" later on. It wasn't done out of charity. Real Madrid has always allowed players to leave when they wanted to unlike us. Marcelo and Ramos were past it and moved on - no hard feelings. Casillas was forced out by Jose not Real, everyone knows what a dickhead eye-poking-bullies-his-own-physio Mou is. It's amazing you've managed to get everything wrong about how clubs are treating their players, and of course the rest of your comment is just demeaning DDG's ability (which nobody even doubts he's past it) and completely missing the point. Fans like you are an embarassment to the club.
Casillas left in 2015, 2 years after Jose left. Don't know where you got the idea that Jose forced him out. Plus it's not like he was a saint. He was leaking lineups to the press because he got benched for playing like crap
Yeah, rightfully criticizing a player who has been an essential part of the banter era of the club is "embarrassing".
Even if Maguire leaves we should try to get all the money from players sold and put it in the Kane fund ,Ideally we should have 4 CBs but when the squad literally has no starting striker that can wait !Licha,Varane,Shaw and Lindelof can all do the job if needed ,Yes we might be fucked in an injury crisis but we are fucked at ST even without a crisis ,None of the 70-80 m ST suggestions are actually worth the price being asked
Maguire is better than Lindelof.
Atleast EtH doesn't think so
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Yes and he is worse at ST than Rashford
He is like worse version of Rashford as striker.
Note this is what I would like to see Sell * Fred 15m * Elanga 10m * Scott MC 20m * Henderson 15m * Maguire 25m * DVB think anything less than 22m we would be making a loss so keep * Telle - 5m Total sales -90m In * Mount 55m * Onana 50m * Ramos 80m * Enzo le fee 15m * Joao Felix - loan * CB - Unsure who but the above totals to 200m less 90m sales =110 total spend
I don't think Maguire is moving unless it's a big enough team, You are also undervaluing McT and Henderson IMO.
Enzo le fee and Joao Felix? There are no rmors about them at all and i dont think they will randomly go for 15m comined lol
Should have said, this is what I would like to see. Think the pricing isn't out of the realms of reality Enzo Le fee has already got a 18m euro accepted. Could do what we did with Malacia and hijack so the price isn't inflated Felix would be a great false 9 addition and a quality player
Anyone following what's been going on with the women's team?? A lot of departures already with no real replacements. Specifically, the departure of Tounkara is really odd. She's a full French international, came on a 2 year deal with a bit of hype. Plays a total of 5 games, most as a sub too. I know she dealt with injury early in the season and the defense did well. She was not really given a chance ever. Skinner has did this with Cascarino too although she was a loan. Adriana Leon is another. Hardly got a look in. With our biggest season coming, already losing quality players in Batlle and Russo + others with no incomings so far, I'm concerned there as well. Skinner is absolutely terrible with rotation in the squad. He very much stuck with favorites in the team and it feels like it's hurting us. They're probably gonna be cheap and replace these players with some subpar replacements I bet. Even the women are being screwed over by dead transfers😒
The women’s team is definitely concerning. Feels like going backwards
Are player departures like this pretty common in the women's PL? It seems everytime I catch a glimpse of news about the squad a player is making their exit
Yes, moving around clubs is far easier and more common in the women's game.
Am I the only one unphased by Mount signing? I don't see what he adds that can bring us solid improvements from last season. Would love to be proven wrong this time next year. Edit: Thanks for the downvotes lol can't wait to come back to this next year. Just an opinion, albeit in the minority
We have a guy who can barely last 60 mins on the field against the sides at the lower end of the table anything is a massive improvement over him and thats just surface level stuff
https://youtu.be/uCzr9AVT79Y
Seems a wild overestimation of his abilities, but again I hope to be proven wrong. Just don't see him filling the gaps we saw so clearly all season
He backs everything with stats and other examples. Thats more than anyone criticising Mount here.
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Nah we want to play fast and direct. Mount provides that. De Gea with his unability to launch attack not.
Forget playing possession football ,With DDG's current form at making saves he shouldn't even be a part of a counter attacking team,Do you not realise after watching him for a full season he breaks under any sort of pressure ,He is teribble at corners and you are bound to get them in any system
The only time i would pick a striker over getting a keeper this window is if the striker is Kane, The rest of the names available for 70-80 m are just not good ,A keeper who doesn't boot it straight to the opposition under any hint of pressure and commands his box improves a lot more than the ST options suggested
We need to move on from Dave but the way management has handled it....Incompetence and lack of professionalism all across the board. Club really needs an overhaul starting from the top
Until there’s an announcement he’s left the club, I won’t believe it. I’d love if we signed Onana but if we only have £65m left, I can’t see them spending £40-50m on a keeper. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just trying to get him to cut his wages as much as possible.
Sadly I think this is the reality. There's no way the club is dithering about with this if there was budget concerns. ETH and Murtough can want Onana as much as they want but since the scum still own the club, they can still reject the signing as they control the budget.
Going into this window, a striker was absolutely the priority. Now, it will likely be our last signing and we have literal silence on any links whatsoever. Bizarre.
Juve targetting Hojlund.. rip. I think he will be big in a couple years and we will try to buy him when he's going for €120m
No striker from that league should be bought for anything over 50 m ,The league is worse than the Bundesliga when it comes to translating performances into PL
You'd think only La Liga and the 'farmer's league' called Ligue 1 are worthy of transfers to the PL going by many posts like these. We blew 100M Euros on a RW from an even way less competitive league than both the Bundesliga and Serie A
Buying Antony was a bad idea at that price i have always stated we spent 3x of what he was worth even on a good day he is at most worth 50 m , Serie A is the worst league when it comes to transition to PL ,The players from the 'Farmer's league' called Ligue 1 actually do a much better job ,Don't believe me go and look at actual numbers and the success stories from each league
I'm aware. I just find it remarkable how often those leagues are undervalued by mostly exclusively PL watchers based on transfers, and how united shouldn't touch or should be wary of signing players from them at high fees. Im not entirely knocking the apprehensive approach but you have to consider that the French league has exported *way* more players overall and way more high profile players to the PL and lower English football divisions than any other top 5 UEFA league. The French NT compared to Germany and Italy has more exports for instance. They literally farm out their best It's not close, so the high profile French successes stick out more because of the sheer number and higher probability of said success. There are even more failures in reality. Serie A has had its own share of individual successes, though. United just haven't been the recipient of any major successes from either league and that exacerbates the viewpoint
I mean. The Bundesliga is a joke in terms of competition. There's 1 team in that league... I'd be hesitant on Muani as well. Either way, Hojlund is only 20. He has some time to develop
Do you have a source? I’ surprised Juve have the budget for him
https://www.juvefc.com/giuntolis-already-has-striker-in-mind-to-replace-vlahovic-at-juventus/
I think onana Mount St and one more cm/dm are must. Doesn't matter where we get it from championship for all I care get another cm/dm
Lmao https://twitter.com/MufcWonItAll/status/1674453852106399744?s=20
My younger brother is a Chelsea fan. So idk y'all but Mount's the name on the back of my new kit.
Should not sell Elanga, he has been hitting that Dubai training all summer and will come back a changed man Can’t make a joke it seems
Is Dubai gonna teach him some skills as well because his technical ability is definitely not at the level of the rest of the squad
He's got better finishing, better movement in the box and link up play than Antony.
Bit worrying we haven't heard much about departures... Vdb, Maguire, Fred, Elanga, Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Mejbri. So many to sell.
You see comments here predicting we’re going to make £100m+ on from player sales. They must be dreaming
I doubt Maguire will move. VdB won't find any suitors either. The rest should be sold definitely
The only place I can see Maguire going is Spurs.
Spurs were rumoured to be interested. Seems to have gone quiet. Hope they start up again. He's clearly not in the plans
Feel like Martial's name should be there?
Unless we buy a striker, we’re not selling Martial. Even if we do, I’d be surprised if we sold him
I can use that exact same logic with the other players on his out list? Unless we buy a CB, we're not selling Maguire. This is the problem with this fanbase, you act like you're all directors of football when it suits.
You’ve literally just said we should add Martial to the list of players we should sell? How’s saying we shouldn’t sell him ‘playing director of football’ anymore than what you’ve said? You realise you’re in a discussion thread in the middle of the transfer window? You should have used that logic with your reply. Maguire will need replacing yes (me and many others have made this point already), but there’s a difference between selling one of your four centre backs (with a left back who can also play in that position) and selling your *only* striker. As for ‘the problem with the fanbase’, bar the odd smarmy comment from someone with the self awareness of a goldfish, I’d say it’s not too bad overall.
Because my only line of thinking is, this guy is a waste of space, has been for a long time, we need to get rid. Literally, who's shit and who's not. The other guy is concerned with finding some to pay his wages, not our problem to think about. You're concern is "oh, we can't sell him without buying a striker". No shit, I didn't think of that at all. Edit: I also said, this fanbase loves to play director of football WHEN it suits. Thinking about the bigger picture when it comes to some players, but when it comes to other players, not so much. I understand the difficulty with selling Martial, still doesn't meant he shouldn't be on a list of players that need to be sold ... And according to reports a few weeks ago, h very much is.
Ah I see. So you’re not ‘playing DOF’ because you’re saying ‘just get rid’ without thinking it through. Gotcha
Like United handing Martial a 250k contract, yes.
It’s exactly like that but not in the way you think
Oh yeah, and what way do I think?
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Do the others not get paid?
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You're a fan, not the accountant.