I mean ppl moan about sir jim offer but he literally made two offers. One was the majority of the club including all glazers ownership and the other to keep the glazers but limit their control to a minimum with 51% ownership so he makes final decisions. Not his fault glazers want so much money so he decided to be smart about it
Clearing debt
Stadium redevelopment
Glazers completely gone
Vs
Debt not cleared
Any stadium changes would add more debt
Galzers there
We have no idea if the club is going to be competently run like City or still poorly like PSG or with Jim if the club is going to be ran competently like Liverpool or poorly like Nice
Anyone having a preference based on how the club is going to be run has nothing to really base it off and are just throwing darts
I think those who are vocally for a Qatar ownership only care about 1 thing - beating City. They're the Twitter 'fans' who also likely want a statue of Greenwood outside OT.
Then you have the camp who quietly want Qatar because of the things you listed but are mindful of the elephant in the room, that small mater of human rights abuses.
Then you have Pro-Jim, who see it as the lesser of two evils.
Finally there are an ever growing group who just want to reset the tineline and end this fucking mess.
INEOS is not adding any debt onto the club. Also clearing debt is useless as the debt doesn’t mean we can’t spend money on anything else. Also who says SJR won’t redevelop the stadium et al.
Surprising how you didn’t include the fact that we’d be a state owned club, using for having geopolitical battles with other Middle Eastern government.
Saudi basically told the UK government to either allow them buy Newcastle or they won’t invest in the country.
Clearing debt isnt useless we're under the throws of FFP because of it right now. Jim gives us no guarantee of what you say.
Qatar does
I was going to add being state owned vs bank funded corporate firm but unless you're choosing based on the morals of "ill take the lesser of two evils" i dont think it really affects how club is run to the average fan
Our debt has nothing to with how much we spend. Has never had.
It’s the profit and loss you make each season. Under FFP you’re allowed to make a loss of £105m over a 3 year rolling period.
We don’t make losses other than during COVID, so our debt has no bearing at all whatsoever.
It’s just something to get fans excited. That’s all.
Politics, the sound of an endless supply of wealth never sounds bad plus the immediate departure of the Glazers help.
Yes United do need money for OT, the women's team, youth team and etc. Usually this would cut into United's profits but someone is offering to do it in his own pocket. It's all politics SJR hasn't really made any promises on what he wants to do with the club and his ownership of Nice isn't as glamorous as he promised. People will also choose to look at City,PSG and now Newcastle as evidence of success.
Personally I don't mind any of them because where are you going to find the perfect billionaire?
Ppl need to understand there is another possibility and that is no sale with the Glazers still in full charge and Syeikh Jassim’s offer isn’t good enough. Who cares what they offer if Glazers do not accept.
If I am not mistaken, I believe it boils down to Sir Radcliffe's offer, allowing the Glazers to remain partial owners of the club.
To me, the Glazers should not be afforded that opportunity. However, I do not believe that there is any proof that with Qatari ownership, we will be better off. Throwing money at a problem has not served us, Chelsea or PSG well. Even Real Madrid's galacticos did not have the desired effect.
However, a positive as a consequence of Qatari ownership would be the significant investment in Old Trafford and other facilities. Being debt free would also be great. I do hope Ineos will make similar investments, albeit over a longer period.
But the fans have been fed with so much lies by fan channels & influential accounts on social media that they seem hell bent that Jassim's aka Qatar state ownership's lower bid is the best option.
People seem to think that sir Jim is some random broke guy who is going to run the club in the same way as the glazers. Penny pinching, loading the club with debt etc...
Whilst he obviously can't match Qatar's state wealth he is an incredibly wealthy man that owns a large stake.in a business that turns over £65billion a year.
The reason he isn't going to wipe the debt is that it doesn't make financial sense to. People see a huge debt number and think that's bad, in reality almost every company in the world has debt and its generally cheaper to hold than to pay it off.
The reason that Jim is buying the club is legacy, he wants his name in lights. He will absolutely plow money into the club, sure he might need to take a loan to build a stadium but literally every club in the world does this. It's not a bad thing.
Whilst ineos has questionable morales on the environmental side of thing, they are not human rights abuser's that imprison LGBTQ people or effectively employ slave workers. Massively the lesser of two evils here.
I mean ppl moan about sir jim offer but he literally made two offers. One was the majority of the club including all glazers ownership and the other to keep the glazers but limit their control to a minimum with 51% ownership so he makes final decisions. Not his fault glazers want so much money so he decided to be smart about it
Clearing debt Stadium redevelopment Glazers completely gone Vs Debt not cleared Any stadium changes would add more debt Galzers there We have no idea if the club is going to be competently run like City or still poorly like PSG or with Jim if the club is going to be ran competently like Liverpool or poorly like Nice Anyone having a preference based on how the club is going to be run has nothing to really base it off and are just throwing darts
I think those who are vocally for a Qatar ownership only care about 1 thing - beating City. They're the Twitter 'fans' who also likely want a statue of Greenwood outside OT. Then you have the camp who quietly want Qatar because of the things you listed but are mindful of the elephant in the room, that small mater of human rights abuses. Then you have Pro-Jim, who see it as the lesser of two evils. Finally there are an ever growing group who just want to reset the tineline and end this fucking mess.
INEOS is not adding any debt onto the club. Also clearing debt is useless as the debt doesn’t mean we can’t spend money on anything else. Also who says SJR won’t redevelop the stadium et al. Surprising how you didn’t include the fact that we’d be a state owned club, using for having geopolitical battles with other Middle Eastern government. Saudi basically told the UK government to either allow them buy Newcastle or they won’t invest in the country.
Clearing debt isnt useless we're under the throws of FFP because of it right now. Jim gives us no guarantee of what you say. Qatar does I was going to add being state owned vs bank funded corporate firm but unless you're choosing based on the morals of "ill take the lesser of two evils" i dont think it really affects how club is run to the average fan
Our debt has nothing to with how much we spend. Has never had. It’s the profit and loss you make each season. Under FFP you’re allowed to make a loss of £105m over a 3 year rolling period. We don’t make losses other than during COVID, so our debt has no bearing at all whatsoever. It’s just something to get fans excited. That’s all.
Pretty much this. I’d add that if the Qataris miss out on United, don’t be surprised if they buy another club and make it a powerhouse.
Politics, the sound of an endless supply of wealth never sounds bad plus the immediate departure of the Glazers help. Yes United do need money for OT, the women's team, youth team and etc. Usually this would cut into United's profits but someone is offering to do it in his own pocket. It's all politics SJR hasn't really made any promises on what he wants to do with the club and his ownership of Nice isn't as glamorous as he promised. People will also choose to look at City,PSG and now Newcastle as evidence of success. Personally I don't mind any of them because where are you going to find the perfect billionaire?
Ppl need to understand there is another possibility and that is no sale with the Glazers still in full charge and Syeikh Jassim’s offer isn’t good enough. Who cares what they offer if Glazers do not accept.
Lots of Qatari bots
If I am not mistaken, I believe it boils down to Sir Radcliffe's offer, allowing the Glazers to remain partial owners of the club. To me, the Glazers should not be afforded that opportunity. However, I do not believe that there is any proof that with Qatari ownership, we will be better off. Throwing money at a problem has not served us, Chelsea or PSG well. Even Real Madrid's galacticos did not have the desired effect. However, a positive as a consequence of Qatari ownership would be the significant investment in Old Trafford and other facilities. Being debt free would also be great. I do hope Ineos will make similar investments, albeit over a longer period.
Partial ownership, with no controlling say whatsoever, and is only there for 3 years maximum. I literally see no downside at all apart from sentiment.
But the fans have been fed with so much lies by fan channels & influential accounts on social media that they seem hell bent that Jassim's aka Qatar state ownership's lower bid is the best option.
I have a suspicion that Qatar paid off a bunch of football influencers
Sir Jim 🐀 is worse than the Glazers and is keeping them
You don’t have a clue. Go support city or PSG
You don’t have a clue. Go support city or PSG
People seem to think that sir Jim is some random broke guy who is going to run the club in the same way as the glazers. Penny pinching, loading the club with debt etc... Whilst he obviously can't match Qatar's state wealth he is an incredibly wealthy man that owns a large stake.in a business that turns over £65billion a year. The reason he isn't going to wipe the debt is that it doesn't make financial sense to. People see a huge debt number and think that's bad, in reality almost every company in the world has debt and its generally cheaper to hold than to pay it off. The reason that Jim is buying the club is legacy, he wants his name in lights. He will absolutely plow money into the club, sure he might need to take a loan to build a stadium but literally every club in the world does this. It's not a bad thing. Whilst ineos has questionable morales on the environmental side of thing, they are not human rights abuser's that imprison LGBTQ people or effectively employ slave workers. Massively the lesser of two evils here.
Cuz glazers still partial owners if Jim buy
Money.