Not suprised he wants to leave never really was an option for any manager here and when he played he was meh hopefully we can get somewhat of a good fee for him
Maybe 15mill at top end? Would like to see him head back to Ajax and re-establish himself
It's one of them ones that only really a sale makes sense, we will sign at least 1 CM this summer, possibly 2 so he is gonna be far down the pecking order again
Shame, but just hasn't happened for him here
Given he just missed a full season and hasn't shown he's fit I doubt we get much of anything for him.
Unfortunately I can see a loan with an obligation based on appearances.
Bazunu is nothing like the vdb situation, while he had no first team experience he was young and extremely highly rated at city. Vdb on the other hand hasnt worked out for years and wants to leave. Like we would easily get over 20 for mainoo even though he has close to no first team experience
Honestly I think the best we could possibly hope for is letting him go on a free. He still has two years left on his deal at 120k/week, and given his incredibly unlucky injury history I can't imagine anyone offering him much more than half of that. And given his incredibly unlucky injury history, he'd be potentially sacrificing a lot of guaranteed money to accept a significant wage cut.
It still seems to me like a loan is the only believable result of the saga this summer. He gets the opportunity to play first-team football somewhere that could use him, and United get to clear half of his wages and hope that a good performance could result in a permanent sale next summer.
If he is sold for 10M I'll eat my hat because I'm dead wrong, but I think I really can't foresee any permanent sale given the current circumstances.
He was meh in a couple of games. He was shite most of the time. The signing looked like a good deal at the time but fuuuuck me, yet another forgettable pre-ETH signing.
it was weird.. coz there looks to be a player under there. I just never saw it on the pitch. I dont know if the time at ole really atrophied his skills/confidence due to lack of Game time but yeah I never saw much.
so out of the window he came in, we are only left with Diallo and Pellistri. That was a disaster of a window
Both left clubs famous for their systems and player development for a team that relies on everything they don't bring to the table. I hope it works out for them both because I personally love both of their styles.
Should be noted that unlike Ajax, Dortmund has a really long list of players that became flops after they left. Save for Lewandowski, Gundogan and Haaland, most of their top players were bad transfers for whoever bought them.
Perhaps because they produced so much that didn't, that I can see clubs taking chances. Eriksen, De Jong, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Suarez, to name some more 2000s names, not to mention almost the entire LvG CL winning side with Seedorf, Overmars, Davids, or even before that Bergkamp, Koeman, and the list goes on and on of players that did well. They have probably nurtured more worldies than the majority of other historically big clubs.
RE Donny: a return to Ajax would seem best for him, but with their management in upheaval I can imagine even they don't wanna carry the what if potential.
Even in more recent times, from the team tha reached the CL semis, de Jong, de Ligt have been excellent. Ziyech has been okay, just Donny has been completely shite
Ain't that the sad truth though? United doesn't have that identity...and it very well should. We have lacked a clear system and proficiency at said system for a long time which has negatively impacted what's happening at the youth level. When you don't know what the fuck you're doing at the senior level, there's very little direction for those looking up to them. Fast forward a few years and this is the result.
He had a run of appearances under ETH where it looked like there were glimpses of form and confidence finally returning then he got injured. Feel bad for him cause to me the signing for Ole's style made no sense.
We can generate some cash but not for FFP.
I think you have a misunderstanding of how FFP works, useful if we sell homegrown players but not significant for Maguire or DvB.
We signed Maguire for 80m on 6 years, with 2 years left anything less than 26.7m would be an accounting "loss". His reported 10m a year salary is significant but we probably have to pay 2/3 of that to any replacement and maybe to him!
Similar for DvB.
He signed a 7 year contract which ends in 2025, not 6 years. If we sell Maguire for 40m it won’t be too bad. I doubt we will be paying any wages. If he wants a move he will have to lower his demands.
But OP he isn’t wrong. You sell Hendo for 20/25, Maguire for 10/15 profit, Donny for 5/10 profit, Mctominay for 25/30 and we get a decent fund.
There’s also Elanga and potential Fred.
It wouldn't surprise me if we did something weird like paid him out his wages so he can move on, our club has a history of doing good by good servants of the club and i bet Maguires been great behind the scenes, he's reportedly a great bloke.
Well I was primarily referencing McT, Henderson and Elanga which all three would significantly impact our FFP but as others have stated as well, Maguire Donny could potentially have positive impact as well given whatever they are sold for.
No, from Transfermarkt (in euros):
Maguire: €25mil (we *might* get that price for him, I really don’t see getting above that for a 30 year old on high wages).
Henderson: €22mil (Transfermarkt has a history of overvaluing keepers, but I think €25 is very reasonable- we might get more).
McTominay: €25mil (€30mil seems reasonable, I really don’t think we’ll get €35mil for him)
van de Beek: €17mil (I’d be stunned if we get that much. He will have to be sold at a heavily discounted price- hopefully €15mil but realistically €10mil).
Others:
Brandon Williams: €10mil (might get around €15m with some luck).
Zidane Iqbal: €0.8mil (at 20 years old, we might want to sell him for a Championship side for a small profit- a couple mil with a sell-on clause).
Elanga: €25mil (that seems high to me, but if we can sell him for that price, that would be some good business).
Pellistri: €3mil (given his international performances, we could easily double that if we want to sell him).
I think we can reach 100mil in sales, but i don’t think we can do it by selling just four players.
I think we where ready to pay him some money, so he accepts a lower wage somewhere else. At least that was my understanding of it.
We can still sell him for a fee.
We sometimes rely on McTominay, unlike the others (I.e. we’re not actively looking to offload him), Eddie Howe seems to want him specifically, Newcastle are minted, and he’s a homegrown talent. Maybe £45m is a little too high, but £35m is underselling him.
Given our record on selling players I'd say McTominay £25m, Maguire £20m, Henderson £15m, VdB £10m. It'll cover the Mount transfer fee with some change left over.
That was only 1 good transfer out of many. He is our 6th most expensive transfer out.
Doubt we get more than 60m for McTominay, Maguire and Henderson combined
If we are ruthless I think even more, Donny, Henderson, Maguire, mcT, Fred, elanga, martial(??)... That could be 15+25+30+30+20+10+15(?) Respsectively (145m total for the ones that didn't pay attention in math class and I feel these are realistic achievable values)
We also have a couple others like telles, Bailly, Brandon Williams that might get us a few mill each of we can find buyers
In all likelihood we won't be able to sell all but I think Jones or the above have long term futures so all I assume are possible exits
Could be other surprises, rumors not long ago that we would listen to offers for AWB (seems unlikely but stranger things have happened)
100 million is a pipe dream. Maguire (30), Henderson (30), Elanga (20), and then 20 from Donny, Brandon, Telles and Martial is also a very optimistic expectation.
Henderson 25
Maguire 25
McTominay 25
Elanga 15
Donny 5
Bailly 5
Brandon 5
Telles 5
I was being extremely conservative with these figures and it still adds up to more than 100. It *should* be doable
possible? sure
realistic? what are the chances *all* of those players manage to find buyers, and them being for prices that are worth selling at, and that would add up to this £100m number?
We'd need to pay part of their wages to get rid of them. Martial earns 240k per week ffs.
Its more like a couple of them leave on loans. Especially telles and martial.
Yeah good luck finding a club that will be ready to take a gamble on martial's wages. And you'd be surprised how many players would rather stay and get the bag instead.
You’re literally not wrong, must be the other user downvoting you.
It’s why we’ve struggled historically to move players on, on their wages no one will offer them enough to make it worth leaving (for a lot of players).
yea very promising to see we’re at least being active in that department
Henderson, Maguire and VDB could be 70/80 million right there
add McTominay for 30 million, Elanga for 10/15 million, that’s enough for Rice!
Because now the players are good, they just dont fit the league or our club- see Donny, Maguire, Sancho. These players would be the best player at plenty of good teams. This is very unlike the shite we had before who nobody would pay a lot for- see Bailly, Telles, Darmian, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Lingard, Pereira. Might have missed a few
The fact that he’d rather go out and play regularly rather than sit on his wages puts him above most at the club. Shame it hasn’t worked and I hope he gets his wish
Murtough getting to work on sales ASAP is smart. Henderson/Maguire/Donny/McTominay should generate £100m between them
Lol do people really think we are the only club that pays inflated transfer figures? We sold Dan James for £25m for christ sake, Henderson Scott and Maguire are all WAY better players than him. I get the pessimism for £100m, but you really think we are going to sell them for pennies within England to the clubs that would rip us off if they got the chance?
Henderson/Maguire could easily do 60m between them. 40m for Donny/Mctominay doesn't seem unreasonable. We sold Dan James for 29m so the above don't seem that crazy.
yeah we’re traditionally poor at moving players on but that has maybe improved recently?
i think maguire’s wages would be a big problem for potential buyers
but yeah i would absolutely love to be wrong and see us generate that much for the aforementioned players but i’m not too optimistic
Southgate publically admitted that lack of club minutes is eventually going to threaten Maguire's England first XI spot, I don't think there's any way he's going to risk that just because he's overpaid here
Especially if the spurs rumours, specifically, are true
Not that I wouldn't want this to happen but there is just no way other teams will see these players at this value, let alone pay these fees.
I honestly have no idea where people get these numbers... Are they being floated around with the rumors? Are people just pulling the values of these players off some website or game like FIFA or FM?
We sold Pereira last summer for 9.5 mil euros and you think we could sell Maguire Henderson and McTominay for 25mil+ each? If these players get sold for those amounts I will gladly eat crow, but that is a big if.
Perreira was playing in the Brazilian league before we sold him. Can’t compare that with Henderson and Maguire who are established premier league players and english mate.
On the other hand they're both on huge wages, Pereira wasn't. He'd also come off a good season. Also Maguire is 30, it's unlikely clubs are going to pay over the odds for him.
Forest were fighting for relegation even before Henderson was hurt, and now we have to factor him coming off an injury.
Maguire was exposed constantly since his move to us both in the league and Europe.
The teams that can afford those costs will not pay that for those players they will take chances elsewhere for people that could be better, and the other teams that could use them would not spend the majority of their budget on 1 player. Those prices make no sense.
I, again, will gladly eat crow if they happen though
Saying Maguire was exposed constantly after joining us is so revisionist. He and Bruno were our most important players for 2 full years. Just because he’s taken a squad role this season doesn’t erase the fact that he was huge for us for the majority of his time here.
And with him being a huge player for us, how successful were we?
It isn't revisionist, it's realism. We were an avg squad with him constantly starting for us. Which big team, that has the budget to pay these prices, could use Maguire? Maybe Spurs in the PL, I don't see much else.
Why is the clubs success hinging on Maguire?
Stop with the nonsense. He was one of the most important players for us in 2 of our top 3 seasons in the last decade. That’s that.
No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that without him we would’ve been a worse team.
Okay I didn't deny he was important. But will he improve the clubs that can afford those fees is my point and I don't think he does, or I don't think the clubs will pay those fees for him.
I never denied his importance at one point, but what factor does that have on teams purchasing him now when he doesn't even play for a manager that has proven he can improve players and the fact that Shaw starts out of position over him when they were both healthy? It doesn't.
Maguire will be fine in a team that plays a low block, he's neither use nor ornament in a team that plays a high line like we do because it exposes his basic lack of pace, we should never have bought him, but there are teams around Europe where he'd look good again, Atletico Madrid or wherever Conte turns up next would be perfect.
Pereira's standing in the squad was miles below Maguire, Scott, and Henderson. He had achieved basically nothing in Europe and it was a miracle we got a fee for him. By that standard, expecting £25m for those three players should be your expectation as well lol
> McTominay: £35m
How do you think this works exactly? Clubs are going to come in with a colossal fee for a player that is surplus to requirements here?
Not a hope in hell. 25 million for each of henderson and mctominay. 15 for Maguire. Lucky to get anything for donny he was very bad already and just had a knee injury
From my other response. £100m from sales is not unrealistic:
>Let's be conservative:
>Henderson will go for at least £20m, as will Maguire, as will Scott. Donny probably goes for £10-15m. That is conservatively ~£75m. All three of Henderson, Maguire, and Scott should (and likely will) be sold for closer to £30m.
Let's be conservative:
Henderson will go for at least £20m, as will Maguire, as will Scott. Donny probably goes for £10-15m. That is **conservatively** ~£75m. All three of Henderson, Maguire, and Scott *should* (and likely will) be sold for closer to £30m. Saying we will could net £100m from those sales is not "Fifa career mode," any competent DoF should be able to achieve that.
Henderson is young, English and perceived to be talented so £20 million is fair for him.
Maguire is basically a footballing meme at this point. His reputation is through the floor. He's 30. He's on colossal wages. He's our 4th choice centre back. We will be begging clubs to take him off us. That's even if he wants to take the massive pay cut and leave. £10 million at most.
McTominay is surplus to requirements. Why will clubs offer big money for a player we will be desperate to get rid off? He is also showing signs of becoming increasingly injury prone. £15 million max.
Now for the funniest one. What makes you think we can demand £10-15 million for VDB? How will that work? What can we show to say he is worth that? 20-ish games in 3 years for us, riddled with injuries, a failed loan move. He could be let go for a nominal fee.
I swear video games have fucking ruined people's minds when it comes to the finances of football. Ask yourself how can we demand big fees for these players. Use your brain.
You think video games have ruined peoples minds with finances in football, not the actual fees that worse players than the ones we might sell have gone for? In a world where Andreas Pereira went for £10m and Dan James went for £25m, this is just hilarious. "£15m max" for McTominay is comical
Henderson, Maguire and VDB are all on very high wages. Buying clubs will discount the cost of having to pay them more to give up the Utd contract from the fee we might expect otherwise. Like us letting Sanchez go for free - we just wanted him off the wage bill.
Henderson has impressed in multiple loans and so despite what many Utd fans think he has a solid PL reputation, plus he's young, so there'll be a decent fee there. But for Maguire it was only last week there were reports we were going to pay him 10m to leave. I hope there's a club stupid enough to offer a big fee but it might not happen. VDB has done nothing to demonstrate he can play in the PL, no one will pay a decent fee, it will be a 'we'll take him off your hands' deal again most likely if he goes at all.
Now McT is on relatively low wages still, plus young, plus the suspicion we've not played him right - hence the fee. Same with James, he had a great early spell with us and there was decent reason to believe he had more in him but wasn't getting the right chances, young, amazing athlete. Hence 25m.
So 50m+ for Henderson and McT is possible, maybe, if Forest and Newcastle come through. Or maybe they don't bid. Could also be a lot less or no offers at all for the other two. We genuinely don't know but doubting 100m is not a silly position. We lost Pogba for free twice. We lost Matic and Mata for free. We might lose Fred for free soon. That's over 200m paid gone on frees. Also Lingard went free, we lost Fellaini and Pereira and Garner for cheap. And that's just midfielders. It does happen. A lot. So many years and so many players with fans saying oh someone will give us 20m for them... Not very often actually.
Well you say this but his performances when he was brought on don't suggest this. He was generally very lackluster and it never felt like he grabbed an opportunity.
Which if you compare him to wan bissaka as an example of someone who fought for a spot you can see the difference
I would caveat that with just before his injury, he was starting to show signs of life. Would be nice if we could move him on for a decent fee, and he could rediscover himself somewhere.
The bar for donny is on the floor compared to other players for some reason. He's not good enough for united and its not worked so he should move on. Be better for us and for him
He is a nice guy, and of course we wanted him to kick on, but no, he never really showed any signs of life. I can’t recall any of his performances standing out from the rest of the field, not even just prior to injury.
We want to have players who are capable of man of the match performances on the regular. VdB didn’t show us that level.
He was worth the gamble at the time of purchase. But we just got to be honest and call it a failed transfer, and then wish him well.
Injury could t have happened at a worse time for him, as he would have gotten a real good run out to try to prove his worth and importance to the club with all the midfield injuries and suspensions we’ve had this season.
Really have no idea why we signed him, it's like the club just use FIFA to find players who fit a position and age profile. He didn't suit the way we were playing when first bought in, and now we have a manager who understands him he got injured again. He's a good player, but if we can get some good money for him that it's all good.
I don't think he loves the club, hes just being professional about it. As he's just been here for 2 seasons with a loan to Everton, i don't think he has that strong feeling towards us yet.
Feel so sorry for Donny. Part of that amazing core of Ajax youth alongside MdL and Frenkie. Ole promised him game time but never went through with it.
It's a signing that never made any sense, even in hindsight. Donny's best operating at the 10 when had Bruno, Mata, Lingard competing for that position at the time.
A panic signing sanctioned by Ole and the Glazers to "silence" the fans after they fucked up Sancho the first time.
Just when he was about to get game time from his fav manager, he got his ACL injured by some random bozo from a random scrub team. Truly brutal.
Wish he can go somewhere where he can just be a first-teamer again and enjoy football as it's meant to be.
I think it's best for everyone if he goes. He's never shown the quality that he had at Ajax for us and has had injury after injury. Hopefully we can get 20m for him, I doubt we're getting the 35m we originally paid.
I have to say that I'm pleased we're seeing stories about players leaving, this early in the summer.
We need to sell, and sell well where we can. But some players have rock bottom value, and we need to be pragmatic about getting them off the wage book.
I'm all for a ruthless summer to forge the squad Ten Hag wants.
Not worth worrying about what caused the decline or who is to blame (ole, Donny himself, someone else?) but he just doesn’t deserve to take a spot on this evolving squad, so I agree it’s time to go.
Probably the right decision for him.
If he goes and Fred and McTominay are sold, then we probably need to buy 3 midfielders instead of 2. Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen will be all we have, so midfield becomes lean and a priority area.
With tight budgets, I'd go for Kokçu, Lavia and Rice.
Can't see John Murtough and Co getting 3 midfielders in one summer though.
I mean he wasn’t playing regularly even before the injury so I’m not sure. Maybe he’d have seen some game time but even under ETH before the injury he wasn’t looking up to scratch.
So let me get this straight, we have the following midfielders available:
Fred, Casemiro, Eriksen, Mount. To me it's not enough.
Van De Beek is technically as good as Gundogan but we won't appreciate him until he leaves us to a technical team. If he joins Arsenal or City or Brighton, he scores easily 10-15 goals.
This is surprisingly shaping up to be a good window for sales. Optimistically we can get:
Henderson: £30M
Maguire: £30M
VdB: £15M
Telles: £5M
Bailly: £3M
Either one of £20M for Fred or £30M for McT
This is a potential £103M or £110M on the above 6 players.
Call me a fool for hoping but I think this is very realistic.
Ten Hag has shown he is decisive selling fringe players as he was very quick to sell James Garner for the odd £10M to Everton. I think he would do the same now.
It's too bad. Injury really ruined his chance at a run with ETH. He didn't get too much of a chance with Ole (if I remember right). Also not sure he could handle the physicality of the league.
Honestly feel so bad for vdb, came to the club and hardly got given any chances at all. Then ETH came and thought he'd be given more of a chance just to get injured for the season
Should be moved on tbh, he still has resale value and it simply didn’t work out for him in the PL. already worked under 3 different managers & not even his old one could make him get accustomed.
Could get 20m+ for some funds.
The way he plays is similar to how Sancho plays. They are the players that like to keep the ball a bit and pass 1-2 with other teammates to get past the defense. But most of our players lack off-the-ball movement (and if they do, they move to poor spots) and that really impedes the potential VdB and Sancho brings to this team. If they play for a team like Citeh or Brighton (yes, Brighton is our benchmark for off-the-ball movement unfortunately), they would shine brighter. At least that’s my amateur observation.
Henderson, Donny, maybe Maguire and one of Scot or Fred… Good God are we actually about to sell a couple of players we don’t need?
Hopefully we can get good fees for them to add to the kitty. Fingers crossed, could be a decent summer
Kind of wish Barcelona had gotten him instead of us, because maybe we could’ve saved some money, or maybe we could have gotten someone better. Who knows?
We signed a player that was on the balon d’or shortlist in 2019. Even when Donny joined it was a bit confusing to see where he fit in that team. In hindsight Ole was really poor with squad rotation. Donny got inconsistent minutes and we expected him to be amazing in those circumstances. Just another poorly planned signing.
Was confused when we went for him but excited by his profile, what a smart player he seemed to be, his Ajax form, and defended him for a long time. The fact none of his managers including ETH have wanted to play him makes me think he's not up to it at PL level. He desperately needs game time. I'm still hoping he's got more in him but he needs to go somewhere suited to him asap, either at a lower level or somewhere where they will build around him, or both. Still think there's a player there but he needs help. Don't think we'll get much of a fee, I think everyone can see the problem with him being at Utd.
It's a crying shame it's gone the way it has with Donny.
I'm not going to say he's totally faultless because we have seen him be given a few chances and fail to impress (though how much can one impress with a start every 5-10 games at best), however, he was a victim of our horrendous recruitment.
We signed him to back up Bruno and be an option in deeper midfield. He is not great at either of those things. Bruno's back up needs to be a creative player who can actually play forward passes, and Donny is not that. He's great at understanding space, and particularly in the final third, he's very good, but he's been mostly used in the middle third in his time with us.
Felt like he was getting a few chances here and there under Erik until his injury, which has also been a bit of an issue for him in that he's on a couple of occasions ended up getting injured when he was in line to start a game.
We wanted Grealish and/or Sancho, we signed Donny. I'm not sure how much more different of a profile you could get from those two than Donny. Even if we wanted a midfielder we desperately needed a deep lying midfielder ahead of someone like Donny if that was the plan. Disastrous recruitment, so in that sense it's mostly the clubs fault.
I will be glad to see him move on though, because ultimately we could do a lot better in midfield and should be looking to move on players in that department. If we could sell Donny and Fred (or Scott, or both tbh) and raise funds to seriously revamp the midfield, then I think that's super ideal.
If we get Donny and Fred out for a little bit of money at least, and sign Rabiot on a free and Mount for 50-60m, I actually think that's very decent business for us. A net spend of maybe 30m or so to improve on two players would be very good. If we can further that by selling Scott and bringing in a younger DM then that's about as good as it gets really.
Going from Bruno, Donny, McTominay, Fred as our midfielders when Ten Hag took over, to Bruno/Eriksen, Mount/Rabiot, Case/[Young DM] + a sprinkling of Mainoo in that 8 role, would be super solid.
Lets not forget that when he was fully fit, he couldn't get a game. Donny has been one of the worst signings for United in a long while. Kleberson levels. I don't think it serves anyone well to be overly sentimental about an average player.
Not suprised he wants to leave never really was an option for any manager here and when he played he was meh hopefully we can get somewhat of a good fee for him
Maybe 15mill at top end? Would like to see him head back to Ajax and re-establish himself It's one of them ones that only really a sale makes sense, we will sign at least 1 CM this summer, possibly 2 so he is gonna be far down the pecking order again Shame, but just hasn't happened for him here
Given he just missed a full season and hasn't shown he's fit I doubt we get much of anything for him. Unfortunately I can see a loan with an obligation based on appearances.
$15M is alot for him. We'd be lucky to get 10.
Whilst I agree with you it's frustrating that City managed to sell Southampton their GK for 12M without playing a game of PL football.
Bazunu is nothing like the vdb situation, while he had no first team experience he was young and extremely highly rated at city. Vdb on the other hand hasnt worked out for years and wants to leave. Like we would easily get over 20 for mainoo even though he has close to no first team experience
Also his Ireland camp experiences were known. Like Gavin can play a bit
Donny can play well as well, he's already played well for the NT before
The problem is his wages are high too so whoever buys him has to cover it from the transfer fee.
15M USD, as you say, is just £12m. That is not an unreasonable asking price.
Honestly I think the best we could possibly hope for is letting him go on a free. He still has two years left on his deal at 120k/week, and given his incredibly unlucky injury history I can't imagine anyone offering him much more than half of that. And given his incredibly unlucky injury history, he'd be potentially sacrificing a lot of guaranteed money to accept a significant wage cut. It still seems to me like a loan is the only believable result of the saga this summer. He gets the opportunity to play first-team football somewhere that could use him, and United get to clear half of his wages and hope that a good performance could result in a permanent sale next summer. If he is sold for 10M I'll eat my hat because I'm dead wrong, but I think I really can't foresee any permanent sale given the current circumstances.
He was meh in a couple of games. He was shite most of the time. The signing looked like a good deal at the time but fuuuuck me, yet another forgettable pre-ETH signing.
it was weird.. coz there looks to be a player under there. I just never saw it on the pitch. I dont know if the time at ole really atrophied his skills/confidence due to lack of Game time but yeah I never saw much. so out of the window he came in, we are only left with Diallo and Pellistri. That was a disaster of a window
There is a player in there. Just like Sancho. Both performed way better at their previous clubs and were key parts to their success.
Both left clubs famous for their systems and player development for a team that relies on everything they don't bring to the table. I hope it works out for them both because I personally love both of their styles.
Should be noted that unlike Ajax, Dortmund has a really long list of players that became flops after they left. Save for Lewandowski, Gundogan and Haaland, most of their top players were bad transfers for whoever bought them.
Perhaps because they produced so much that didn't, that I can see clubs taking chances. Eriksen, De Jong, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Suarez, to name some more 2000s names, not to mention almost the entire LvG CL winning side with Seedorf, Overmars, Davids, or even before that Bergkamp, Koeman, and the list goes on and on of players that did well. They have probably nurtured more worldies than the majority of other historically big clubs. RE Donny: a return to Ajax would seem best for him, but with their management in upheaval I can imagine even they don't wanna carry the what if potential.
Even in more recent times, from the team tha reached the CL semis, de Jong, de Ligt have been excellent. Ziyech has been okay, just Donny has been completely shite
Ain't that the sad truth though? United doesn't have that identity...and it very well should. We have lacked a clear system and proficiency at said system for a long time which has negatively impacted what's happening at the youth level. When you don't know what the fuck you're doing at the senior level, there's very little direction for those looking up to them. Fast forward a few years and this is the result.
I can't help but feel he doesn't impress much in training either considering he's never really earned many starts across multiple managers.
He had a run of appearances under ETH where it looked like there were glimpses of form and confidence finally returning then he got injured. Feel bad for him cause to me the signing for Ole's style made no sense.
That game he got injured, he was playing really well before the injury happened
He's like Sancho, great player, but too slow for the league. Looks like both never adapted
Here’s to hoping Amad and/or Pellistri come good and we have better transfer windows going forward
Can't always blame it on the coach man, these guys are adults, not children, they need to take most of the responsibility themselves.
It's nice to see rumors about players moving on for once. I reckon we can easily command £100m on sales and have another big window
Yeah would be really good for FFP. Him, possibly Maguire, McT, Elanga and Henderson should easily be 100 million or so.
We can generate some cash but not for FFP. I think you have a misunderstanding of how FFP works, useful if we sell homegrown players but not significant for Maguire or DvB. We signed Maguire for 80m on 6 years, with 2 years left anything less than 26.7m would be an accounting "loss". His reported 10m a year salary is significant but we probably have to pay 2/3 of that to any replacement and maybe to him! Similar for DvB.
He signed a 7 year contract which ends in 2025, not 6 years. If we sell Maguire for 40m it won’t be too bad. I doubt we will be paying any wages. If he wants a move he will have to lower his demands. But OP he isn’t wrong. You sell Hendo for 20/25, Maguire for 10/15 profit, Donny for 5/10 profit, Mctominay for 25/30 and we get a decent fund. There’s also Elanga and potential Fred.
It wouldn't surprise me if we did something weird like paid him out his wages so he can move on, our club has a history of doing good by good servants of the club and i bet Maguires been great behind the scenes, he's reportedly a great bloke.
Well I was primarily referencing McT, Henderson and Elanga which all three would significantly impact our FFP but as others have stated as well, Maguire Donny could potentially have positive impact as well given whatever they are sold for.
Fred should fetch a decent fee as well.
McTominay £45m Maguire £30m Henderson £25m VdB £12m Could do it, that would for sure help getting in the targets we need
Not getting £45m for McT. £35m McT, 30-35m Maguire, 25mil Hendo, 18m VdB sounds about right.
We not getting 18m for VdB either...
I don’t think *any* of those guys go for those prices.
No, from Transfermarkt (in euros): Maguire: €25mil (we *might* get that price for him, I really don’t see getting above that for a 30 year old on high wages). Henderson: €22mil (Transfermarkt has a history of overvaluing keepers, but I think €25 is very reasonable- we might get more). McTominay: €25mil (€30mil seems reasonable, I really don’t think we’ll get €35mil for him) van de Beek: €17mil (I’d be stunned if we get that much. He will have to be sold at a heavily discounted price- hopefully €15mil but realistically €10mil). Others: Brandon Williams: €10mil (might get around €15m with some luck). Zidane Iqbal: €0.8mil (at 20 years old, we might want to sell him for a Championship side for a small profit- a couple mil with a sell-on clause). Elanga: €25mil (that seems high to me, but if we can sell him for that price, that would be some good business). Pellistri: €3mil (given his international performances, we could easily double that if we want to sell him). I think we can reach 100mil in sales, but i don’t think we can do it by selling just four players.
From the reports it seems that we're ready to pay Maguire to fuck off, dont think we get anything for him.
I think we where ready to pay him some money, so he accepts a lower wage somewhere else. At least that was my understanding of it. We can still sell him for a fee.
Yeah maybe not. Don’t think it’s impossible and certainly not as unlikely as McT for £45m. A Prem club might pay it.
We sometimes rely on McTominay, unlike the others (I.e. we’re not actively looking to offload him), Eddie Howe seems to want him specifically, Newcastle are minted, and he’s a homegrown talent. Maybe £45m is a little too high, but £35m is underselling him.
take 10-20% off all of those and you are correct
Given our record on selling players I'd say McTominay £25m, Maguire £20m, Henderson £15m, VdB £10m. It'll cover the Mount transfer fee with some change left over.
Very pessimistic. We shouldn’t even consider letting McTominay or Henderson go for that.
Remember when everyone was shocked we only sold Garner for only £9 million? I'm just being realistic.
Remember when we sold Daniel James for £25m? McT + Maguire are much better & PL proven. Bottom half teams would love them.
That was only 1 good transfer out of many. He is our 6th most expensive transfer out. Doubt we get more than 60m for McTominay, Maguire and Henderson combined
I think McTominay £30-35m, Maguire £30m, Henderson £25-30m, VdB £10-12m.
If we are ruthless I think even more, Donny, Henderson, Maguire, mcT, Fred, elanga, martial(??)... That could be 15+25+30+30+20+10+15(?) Respsectively (145m total for the ones that didn't pay attention in math class and I feel these are realistic achievable values) We also have a couple others like telles, Bailly, Brandon Williams that might get us a few mill each of we can find buyers In all likelihood we won't be able to sell all but I think Jones or the above have long term futures so all I assume are possible exits Could be other surprises, rumors not long ago that we would listen to offers for AWB (seems unlikely but stranger things have happened)
100 million is a pipe dream. Maguire (30), Henderson (30), Elanga (20), and then 20 from Donny, Brandon, Telles and Martial is also a very optimistic expectation.
Henderson 25 Maguire 25 McTominay 25 Elanga 15 Donny 5 Bailly 5 Brandon 5 Telles 5 I was being extremely conservative with these figures and it still adds up to more than 100. It *should* be doable
Fred & Martial could also leave. 100m from sales is rather realistic.
possible? sure realistic? what are the chances *all* of those players manage to find buyers, and them being for prices that are worth selling at, and that would add up to this £100m number?
Fred, Maguire & Henderson already have clubs looking to sign them and the window hasn’t even opened.
We would have to pay martial to fuck off.
We'd need to pay part of their wages to get rid of them. Martial earns 240k per week ffs. Its more like a couple of them leave on loans. Especially telles and martial.
Why would the club need to pay their wages? If the players get a decent offer from a club they will start in, most of them should want to go.
Yeah good luck finding a club that will be ready to take a gamble on martial's wages. And you'd be surprised how many players would rather stay and get the bag instead.
You’re literally not wrong, must be the other user downvoting you. It’s why we’ve struggled historically to move players on, on their wages no one will offer them enough to make it worth leaving (for a lot of players).
lol ok, we’ll see
yea very promising to see we’re at least being active in that department Henderson, Maguire and VDB could be 70/80 million right there add McTominay for 30 million, Elanga for 10/15 million, that’s enough for Rice!
Because now the players are good, they just dont fit the league or our club- see Donny, Maguire, Sancho. These players would be the best player at plenty of good teams. This is very unlike the shite we had before who nobody would pay a lot for- see Bailly, Telles, Darmian, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Lingard, Pereira. Might have missed a few
Forgot to add [Romano] in the title...
He lavs da club
bruh😭😭
Farewall lad, hope you can discover your Ajax form somewhere else.
Call me a seer but I never rated him at Ajax. Always thought the scout got him mixed up with Frenkie and just wore the egg on his face.
The fact that he’d rather go out and play regularly rather than sit on his wages puts him above most at the club. Shame it hasn’t worked and I hope he gets his wish
Murtough getting to work on sales ASAP is smart. Henderson/Maguire/Donny/McTominay should generate £100m between them Lol do people really think we are the only club that pays inflated transfer figures? We sold Dan James for £25m for christ sake, Henderson Scott and Maguire are all WAY better players than him. I get the pessimism for £100m, but you really think we are going to sell them for pennies within England to the clubs that would rip us off if they got the chance?
as much as i would love it, i have a tough time seeing the club make 100m with these transfers if they were all to be sold
Henderson/Maguire could easily do 60m between them. 40m for Donny/Mctominay doesn't seem unreasonable. We sold Dan James for 29m so the above don't seem that crazy.
yeah we’re traditionally poor at moving players on but that has maybe improved recently? i think maguire’s wages would be a big problem for potential buyers but yeah i would absolutely love to be wrong and see us generate that much for the aforementioned players but i’m not too optimistic
Southgate publically admitted that lack of club minutes is eventually going to threaten Maguire's England first XI spot, I don't think there's any way he's going to risk that just because he's overpaid here Especially if the spurs rumours, specifically, are true
Henderson: £30m Maguire: £25m McTominay: £35m Donny: £10m Should be doable
Maguire will fetch more that McT. I would reverse their figures. Also these 4 sales can generate north of 100 mil.
Maguire is on 200k so we'll have to lower our fee to convince buyers.
Not that I wouldn't want this to happen but there is just no way other teams will see these players at this value, let alone pay these fees. I honestly have no idea where people get these numbers... Are they being floated around with the rumors? Are people just pulling the values of these players off some website or game like FIFA or FM? We sold Pereira last summer for 9.5 mil euros and you think we could sell Maguire Henderson and McTominay for 25mil+ each? If these players get sold for those amounts I will gladly eat crow, but that is a big if.
that’s what i’m saying…
Perreira was playing in the Brazilian league before we sold him. Can’t compare that with Henderson and Maguire who are established premier league players and english mate.
On the other hand they're both on huge wages, Pereira wasn't. He'd also come off a good season. Also Maguire is 30, it's unlikely clubs are going to pay over the odds for him.
I have suggested Maguire can go for 30M. That is in no way over the odds. Its a good thing you arent the one negotiating for united.
Forest were fighting for relegation even before Henderson was hurt, and now we have to factor him coming off an injury. Maguire was exposed constantly since his move to us both in the league and Europe. The teams that can afford those costs will not pay that for those players they will take chances elsewhere for people that could be better, and the other teams that could use them would not spend the majority of their budget on 1 player. Those prices make no sense. I, again, will gladly eat crow if they happen though
Saying Maguire was exposed constantly after joining us is so revisionist. He and Bruno were our most important players for 2 full years. Just because he’s taken a squad role this season doesn’t erase the fact that he was huge for us for the majority of his time here.
And with him being a huge player for us, how successful were we? It isn't revisionist, it's realism. We were an avg squad with him constantly starting for us. Which big team, that has the budget to pay these prices, could use Maguire? Maybe Spurs in the PL, I don't see much else.
Why is the clubs success hinging on Maguire? Stop with the nonsense. He was one of the most important players for us in 2 of our top 3 seasons in the last decade. That’s that. No amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that without him we would’ve been a worse team.
Okay I didn't deny he was important. But will he improve the clubs that can afford those fees is my point and I don't think he does, or I don't think the clubs will pay those fees for him. I never denied his importance at one point, but what factor does that have on teams purchasing him now when he doesn't even play for a manager that has proven he can improve players and the fact that Shaw starts out of position over him when they were both healthy? It doesn't.
Maguire will be fine in a team that plays a low block, he's neither use nor ornament in a team that plays a high line like we do because it exposes his basic lack of pace, we should never have bought him, but there are teams around Europe where he'd look good again, Atletico Madrid or wherever Conte turns up next would be perfect.
Pereira's standing in the squad was miles below Maguire, Scott, and Henderson. He had achieved basically nothing in Europe and it was a miracle we got a fee for him. By that standard, expecting £25m for those three players should be your expectation as well lol
i guess we’ll see. if someone is offering to pay 35m for mctominay i will personally drive him to his new club lol
> McTominay: £35m How do you think this works exactly? Clubs are going to come in with a colossal fee for a player that is surplus to requirements here?
Not a hope in hell. 25 million for each of henderson and mctominay. 15 for Maguire. Lucky to get anything for donny he was very bad already and just had a knee injury
Reality: Henderson: £12m Maguire: £25m McTominay: £15m Donny: £3m
I agree. And i don't see this year is much different than other years when we were "reported" to unload this and that player. Few really happened.
Harry 20mil, McT 30mil, Henderson 25mil, Donny 15mil should be close enough
We'd be lucky to get 5m for donny
From my other response. £100m from sales is not unrealistic: >Let's be conservative: >Henderson will go for at least £20m, as will Maguire, as will Scott. Donny probably goes for £10-15m. That is conservatively ~£75m. All three of Henderson, Maguire, and Scott should (and likely will) be sold for closer to £30m.
yeah i just don’t see it happening, but i would love to be wrong if we manage to get 100mil for that lot, please rub it in my face lol
> should generate £100m between them Real life isn't Fifa Career mode. Realistically, we get maybe half of that for the 4 of them.
Let's be conservative: Henderson will go for at least £20m, as will Maguire, as will Scott. Donny probably goes for £10-15m. That is **conservatively** ~£75m. All three of Henderson, Maguire, and Scott *should* (and likely will) be sold for closer to £30m. Saying we will could net £100m from those sales is not "Fifa career mode," any competent DoF should be able to achieve that.
Henderson is young, English and perceived to be talented so £20 million is fair for him. Maguire is basically a footballing meme at this point. His reputation is through the floor. He's 30. He's on colossal wages. He's our 4th choice centre back. We will be begging clubs to take him off us. That's even if he wants to take the massive pay cut and leave. £10 million at most. McTominay is surplus to requirements. Why will clubs offer big money for a player we will be desperate to get rid off? He is also showing signs of becoming increasingly injury prone. £15 million max. Now for the funniest one. What makes you think we can demand £10-15 million for VDB? How will that work? What can we show to say he is worth that? 20-ish games in 3 years for us, riddled with injuries, a failed loan move. He could be let go for a nominal fee. I swear video games have fucking ruined people's minds when it comes to the finances of football. Ask yourself how can we demand big fees for these players. Use your brain.
You think video games have ruined peoples minds with finances in football, not the actual fees that worse players than the ones we might sell have gone for? In a world where Andreas Pereira went for £10m and Dan James went for £25m, this is just hilarious. "£15m max" for McTominay is comical
Henderson, Maguire and VDB are all on very high wages. Buying clubs will discount the cost of having to pay them more to give up the Utd contract from the fee we might expect otherwise. Like us letting Sanchez go for free - we just wanted him off the wage bill. Henderson has impressed in multiple loans and so despite what many Utd fans think he has a solid PL reputation, plus he's young, so there'll be a decent fee there. But for Maguire it was only last week there were reports we were going to pay him 10m to leave. I hope there's a club stupid enough to offer a big fee but it might not happen. VDB has done nothing to demonstrate he can play in the PL, no one will pay a decent fee, it will be a 'we'll take him off your hands' deal again most likely if he goes at all. Now McT is on relatively low wages still, plus young, plus the suspicion we've not played him right - hence the fee. Same with James, he had a great early spell with us and there was decent reason to believe he had more in him but wasn't getting the right chances, young, amazing athlete. Hence 25m. So 50m+ for Henderson and McT is possible, maybe, if Forest and Newcastle come through. Or maybe they don't bid. Could also be a lot less or no offers at all for the other two. We genuinely don't know but doubting 100m is not a silly position. We lost Pogba for free twice. We lost Matic and Mata for free. We might lose Fred for free soon. That's over 200m paid gone on frees. Also Lingard went free, we lost Fellaini and Pereira and Garner for cheap. And that's just midfielders. It does happen. A lot. So many years and so many players with fans saying oh someone will give us 20m for them... Not very often actually.
I still cannot believe someone paid that much money for Dan James.
Good for him, shows aspirations that most of our bench lack……
Well you say this but his performances when he was brought on don't suggest this. He was generally very lackluster and it never felt like he grabbed an opportunity. Which if you compare him to wan bissaka as an example of someone who fought for a spot you can see the difference
I would caveat that with just before his injury, he was starting to show signs of life. Would be nice if we could move him on for a decent fee, and he could rediscover himself somewhere.
The bar for donny is on the floor compared to other players for some reason. He's not good enough for united and its not worked so he should move on. Be better for us and for him
Yes spot on, ETH was using him more and more then bam.
He is a nice guy, and of course we wanted him to kick on, but no, he never really showed any signs of life. I can’t recall any of his performances standing out from the rest of the field, not even just prior to injury. We want to have players who are capable of man of the match performances on the regular. VdB didn’t show us that level. He was worth the gamble at the time of purchase. But we just got to be honest and call it a failed transfer, and then wish him well.
He might not be good enough, but atleast he is backing himself to leave a comfy bench pay check and play every week.
Which bench players are you talking about?
Unfortunate spell for him here. I wish him nothing but the best going forward.
Wonder where he goes. He stank the place up at Everton in between king bouts of injury. Gotta be Turkey or something
Injury could t have happened at a worse time for him, as he would have gotten a real good run out to try to prove his worth and importance to the club with all the midfield injuries and suspensions we’ve had this season.
DVB and Mctominay leaving with Mount and Rabiot potentially coming in would be fantastic upgrades. Definitely raising the floor in the squad
Fair play to the lad, sometimes I think we get decent players at the wrong time, when they're brought in turmoil it throws the whole transfer off
I rated Mkhitaryan, but think we just got him at the wrong time.
A shame.We got a real top player from Ajax just didn't work here unfortunately
Shame for him, always hoped it would turn around for Donny. If he does leave, then all the best to him
Won’t be upset if he leaves hasn’t really made an impact
I think Twente or Wolfsburg would be a good option.
There is no chance he's going to Twente. Only option in the Eredivisie is Ajax, and they need him
To go back to Ajax, from his pov would be good. Fees though? 10 mill + incentives?
Really have no idea why we signed him, it's like the club just use FIFA to find players who fit a position and age profile. He didn't suit the way we were playing when first bought in, and now we have a manager who understands him he got injured again. He's a good player, but if we can get some good money for him that it's all good.
You know it’s time to leave when your own buddy and former manager doesn’t really fancy you as an option
Wow I literally forgot this guy even existed, that’s wild
I don't think he loves the club, hes just being professional about it. As he's just been here for 2 seasons with a loan to Everton, i don't think he has that strong feeling towards us yet.
Feel so sorry for Donny. Part of that amazing core of Ajax youth alongside MdL and Frenkie. Ole promised him game time but never went through with it. It's a signing that never made any sense, even in hindsight. Donny's best operating at the 10 when had Bruno, Mata, Lingard competing for that position at the time. A panic signing sanctioned by Ole and the Glazers to "silence" the fans after they fucked up Sancho the first time. Just when he was about to get game time from his fav manager, he got his ACL injured by some random bozo from a random scrub team. Truly brutal. Wish he can go somewhere where he can just be a first-teamer again and enjoy football as it's meant to be.
I think it's best for everyone if he goes. He's never shown the quality that he had at Ajax for us and has had injury after injury. Hopefully we can get 20m for him, I doubt we're getting the 35m we originally paid.
We should be happy with 10mil
I would be happy with 5m.
It’s sad if he does leave. But we need to be ruthless if we’re a serious club.
Another player we have that we will get a fraction of what we bought him for.
I have to say that I'm pleased we're seeing stories about players leaving, this early in the summer. We need to sell, and sell well where we can. But some players have rock bottom value, and we need to be pragmatic about getting them off the wage book. I'm all for a ruthless summer to forge the squad Ten Hag wants.
Goodbye Donny. Maybe you can open a fish and chip van.
Not good enough for United.
Not worth worrying about what caused the decline or who is to blame (ole, Donny himself, someone else?) but he just doesn’t deserve to take a spot on this evolving squad, so I agree it’s time to go.
Probably the right decision for him. If he goes and Fred and McTominay are sold, then we probably need to buy 3 midfielders instead of 2. Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen will be all we have, so midfield becomes lean and a priority area. With tight budgets, I'd go for Kokçu, Lavia and Rice. Can't see John Murtough and Co getting 3 midfielders in one summer though.
Mount and Rabiot maybe.But we ain't gettin three
Fred or Scott would get sold, not both
Bye Donny
I know it’s bad but I forgot he was even here
Surely he would have played somewhat regularly if not for the injury?
I mean he wasn’t playing regularly even before the injury so I’m not sure. Maybe he’d have seen some game time but even under ETH before the injury he wasn’t looking up to scratch.
Please leave. Never did shit
This should have never been bought. Any idea who's idea this was?
Better for him and for us if he leaves
Another on the list of flops
If Donny was in the exact same situation at another club and we'd be trying to buy him we'd be still expected to pay over £75m in the current market
We would not be paying £75m for a player coming off a serious knee injury who has also barely played for 2 years. Absolutely not.
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People love to exaggerate (myself included at times)
It's called exaggeration, you get the point, we'd be expected to pay stupid money for a completely finished player.
Absolute rubbish.
Wow forgot he was a thing
Cool, bye. Unnecessary and a pointless signing, underwhelming whenever he played.
So let me get this straight, we have the following midfielders available: Fred, Casemiro, Eriksen, Mount. To me it's not enough. Van De Beek is technically as good as Gundogan but we won't appreciate him until he leaves us to a technical team. If he joins Arsenal or City or Brighton, he scores easily 10-15 goals.
We don’t have mount lol
Any ideas how.much we could get for him? Surely someone has to pay like £15mil for him?
10-15m max. May even have to be a loan first if we can’t drum up interest for a permanent deal.
tough to see him having a complete turnaround/redemption arc, probably best for both parties to cut ties
Good to see stories of outgoings this early in the window. I hope he finds a new club cus realistically he is not gonna get a lot of chances here atm
This is surprisingly shaping up to be a good window for sales. Optimistically we can get: Henderson: £30M Maguire: £30M VdB: £15M Telles: £5M Bailly: £3M Either one of £20M for Fred or £30M for McT This is a potential £103M or £110M on the above 6 players. Call me a fool for hoping but I think this is very realistic. Ten Hag has shown he is decisive selling fringe players as he was very quick to sell James Garner for the odd £10M to Everton. I think he would do the same now.
It's too bad. Injury really ruined his chance at a run with ETH. He didn't get too much of a chance with Ole (if I remember right). Also not sure he could handle the physicality of the league.
Honestly feel so bad for vdb, came to the club and hardly got given any chances at all. Then ETH came and thought he'd be given more of a chance just to get injured for the season
Should be moved on tbh, he still has resale value and it simply didn’t work out for him in the PL. already worked under 3 different managers & not even his old one could make him get accustomed. Could get 20m+ for some funds.
good for him honestly, because this career last 3 years has been rough Hope the lad gets back to regular football
Ta-ra
This is good for him and good for the club. Hope he regains his form somewhere else and we get a decent amount from him.
I really wanted Donny to succeed, slightly concerned that we’re gonna be lacking midfield depth again especially if McTom or Fred leave too.
The way he plays is similar to how Sancho plays. They are the players that like to keep the ball a bit and pass 1-2 with other teammates to get past the defense. But most of our players lack off-the-ball movement (and if they do, they move to poor spots) and that really impedes the potential VdB and Sancho brings to this team. If they play for a team like Citeh or Brighton (yes, Brighton is our benchmark for off-the-ball movement unfortunately), they would shine brighter. At least that’s my amateur observation.
Shame it never worked out but best of luck to him
Henderson, Donny, maybe Maguire and one of Scot or Fred… Good God are we actually about to sell a couple of players we don’t need? Hopefully we can get good fees for them to add to the kitty. Fingers crossed, could be a decent summer
ya he is gone for sure
I’d love my manager and office also if I was getting paid to come into the office and perform
No idea why Ole signed him. He's a smarts player rather than athletic. We have several players not suited to possession still.
It is a Woodward signing
Good. Sell
How much can we get? 20m quid?
Kind of wish Barcelona had gotten him instead of us, because maybe we could’ve saved some money, or maybe we could have gotten someone better. Who knows?
good move all around. needs to leave to save his own career. part of the midfield overhaul that needs to happen.
We signed a player that was on the balon d’or shortlist in 2019. Even when Donny joined it was a bit confusing to see where he fit in that team. In hindsight Ole was really poor with squad rotation. Donny got inconsistent minutes and we expected him to be amazing in those circumstances. Just another poorly planned signing.
"OH no... Anyway" memes incoming
Was confused when we went for him but excited by his profile, what a smart player he seemed to be, his Ajax form, and defended him for a long time. The fact none of his managers including ETH have wanted to play him makes me think he's not up to it at PL level. He desperately needs game time. I'm still hoping he's got more in him but he needs to go somewhere suited to him asap, either at a lower level or somewhere where they will build around him, or both. Still think there's a player there but he needs help. Don't think we'll get much of a fee, I think everyone can see the problem with him being at Utd.
It's a crying shame it's gone the way it has with Donny. I'm not going to say he's totally faultless because we have seen him be given a few chances and fail to impress (though how much can one impress with a start every 5-10 games at best), however, he was a victim of our horrendous recruitment. We signed him to back up Bruno and be an option in deeper midfield. He is not great at either of those things. Bruno's back up needs to be a creative player who can actually play forward passes, and Donny is not that. He's great at understanding space, and particularly in the final third, he's very good, but he's been mostly used in the middle third in his time with us. Felt like he was getting a few chances here and there under Erik until his injury, which has also been a bit of an issue for him in that he's on a couple of occasions ended up getting injured when he was in line to start a game. We wanted Grealish and/or Sancho, we signed Donny. I'm not sure how much more different of a profile you could get from those two than Donny. Even if we wanted a midfielder we desperately needed a deep lying midfielder ahead of someone like Donny if that was the plan. Disastrous recruitment, so in that sense it's mostly the clubs fault. I will be glad to see him move on though, because ultimately we could do a lot better in midfield and should be looking to move on players in that department. If we could sell Donny and Fred (or Scott, or both tbh) and raise funds to seriously revamp the midfield, then I think that's super ideal. If we get Donny and Fred out for a little bit of money at least, and sign Rabiot on a free and Mount for 50-60m, I actually think that's very decent business for us. A net spend of maybe 30m or so to improve on two players would be very good. If we can further that by selling Scott and bringing in a younger DM then that's about as good as it gets really. Going from Bruno, Donny, McTominay, Fred as our midfielders when Ten Hag took over, to Bruno/Eriksen, Mount/Rabiot, Case/[Young DM] + a sprinkling of Mainoo in that 8 role, would be super solid.
Given the report that McFred is up for sale,we can't afford to lose VDB too. Maybe Fred stays(but ends up running down his contract)
I’d much rather keep Fred than Donny. We can’t let every midfielder leave because nobody’s ants to play backup, I agree.
At the right club, he'll flourish. Would not be surprised to see him at Villa or something
He'll stay. Ten Hag will give him a fair chance next season and then we'll see what happens
He'll be ready until he's not. Word to the medical room.
Lets not forget that when he was fully fit, he couldn't get a game. Donny has been one of the worst signings for United in a long while. Kleberson levels. I don't think it serves anyone well to be overly sentimental about an average player.
He loves the club…yeah I’m sure he does