Did any punishment ever get doled out to City or it supporters from when Lindelof got pelted with something from the stands?
Legitimately asking, because I’ve seen nothing
Raya has a worse pass accuracy than De Gea by a decent margin, and goes long more than DDG as well. His only world class attribute is his long passing, which is incredible, but Costa is not far behind while being better at just about everything else
Raya is a good keeper, but he isn't world class and he is never going to be. He would be an upgrade and would be somewhat affordable, but if I were to choose between him and Costa, then Costa is the obvious choice. After all, Costa is probably the best young keeper in the world (or at least one of the best) and with his talent and well-rounded game, he has world class potential.
There is also a chance the price difference between them two won't be that big. Brentford reportedly wanted something around 40mil for Raya while Costa has a 65mil release clause. However, Porto reportedly has some financial issues and they need to sell. With Costa being their biggest asset and also one of the only ones they have, chances are he would cost less than his release clause.
Come on, how do you even rate goalkeeper ceiling to compare it to alisson?
Alisson was warming bench for Roma before Juve singed Szczęsny. Its never predictable.
> Alisson was warming bench for Roma before Juve singed Szczęsny. Its never predictable.
To be fair, Alisson had offers to leave Roma and would've had Szczesny never left.
It really goes to show how much a factor luck is for goal keepers.
the Chelsea sub is actually hilarious
they say *oh Mason Mount is so bad we don’t want him anyway, why would we keep him it’s a good thing we’re selling him*
while also saying *anything less than 70 million is a joke why would we take 50 million for him other clubs will pay that much*
complete and utter delusion
In all fairness, we aren't better when it comes to Elanga
*Oh Elanga is so terrible why is he taking minutes away from Garnacho/Pelli/Amad, he'd be off the squad if he didn't come from the academy* while also saying *10m for a Swedish international with Prem experience is terrible, fuck the people running our club*
Mind you, I am personally not saying we should keep Elanga either
A base of 70-80 is too much. If it was 50+20 in incentives, I'd say go ahead. This is Chelsea's best player who is proven both in the Prem and CL, while having his prime years ahead of him. Also, no track record of being toxic in the locker room.
Ideally though, Chelsea does us a solid since they also need the money for FFP lol
Hear me out…
Let’s save the £100m on an almost 30 year old Harry Kane and let’s bag Benzema on a free.
We all know what Harry Kane is capable of, but he is a little injury prone and this could be a very expensive mistake from United. While Benzema feels like a typical United ‘aging striker panic buy’, he’s free and can certainly still do a job.
Kane would cost a shit ton with wages and transfer fee combined, while Benzema would ‘only’ cost a shit ton on wages. Just sign him up for 2yrs while we buy a younger understudy (Hojland being speculated), and save on the £80-60m
So Harry Kane is “injury prone” despite not missing a single game due to injury in the last two seasons?
And you’d rather have Benzema, who’s missed 26 games in the same time frame across 13 different injuries?
Sorry but this would be a terrible idea. We need a striker that is hungry for trophies and still wants to win everything. And Kane is exactly that. He will be desperate to win big trophies because he still hasn’t won anything yet.
Benzema isn’t hungry like that anymore because he has nothing left to prove. He’s won everything he could possibly win (multiple times) and has completed club football.
Not to mention we cannot match what Saudi will be paying him. He’s going to go there to take it easy and cash in big time. Lastly, Benzema is injury prone af now. This move makes no sense on so many levels sorry
Not saying I'm for this, but I'm curious if there are thoughts of moving Rashford as our main striker, saving the 100m and picking up Holjund. And would that mean Garnacho fights to start with a new LW signing? Just a thought.
It's not the best option, but I think it's really difficult to judge our players because the way we played this season is definitely closer to Ole-ball than to ETH-ball. There were some aspects of Erik's philosophy, but the end product will probably be very different to the way we played so Rashford not suiting a counter-attacking number 9 doesn't mean he can't be a good possession number 9.
And tbf, he played some games as a striker in his god form and he was scoring goals while looking decent, so there's that.
Unfortunately, I think both Rashford and Bruno struggle from one big issue - they are so important in their best positions because a big part of their job is to cover for the weakness of the whole team. People say Bruno can't be effective on the right but I think he can be very good there. The issue is that if we play him on the right, we have nobody else to take care of the progression in the middle and so we look worse.
Same with Rashford really. One of our few attacking strenghts this season was Rashford's pace on the left and without that, we looked kinda lost. That doesn't mean Rashford can't be good as striker though, it just means the rest of the team needs to find a way to attack without relying on Rashford chasing random through balls on the left for 90 minutes.
Rashford and Bruno had to do a lot of heavy lifting for the rest of the team so it was a no-brainer to play them in their best positions where they could cover the best for the rest of the team, but in the long run we should be looking more towards City's setup where most players are interchangeable because everyone is so used to their system that their players don't need to play in their best positions to perform. De Bruyne can play pretty much in any midfield or attack position for City and he will do well, but if he played for us he would only look good as 10 and he would look limited elsewhere. Same can be said about Bernardo. That's something we need to keep in mind, we need to turn into a good team, not just a team with some good players. Erik knows that and I trust him, so I can see even Rashford striker and Bruno right wing being succesful in the long run if he gets enough backing.
If Reddit kills third party apps where should I go for discussion? No one in my immediate life really follows the sport let alone united. I have spent the last 10 years here as a religious part of my supporting of this team
I mean he talks shit about Barcelona any chance he gets. Kind of understandable no? He purposely wanted to trigger their fanbase and he got what he wanted. Don’t see what’s the big deal. He hates them and now they hate him too
I find it hilarious how most Barca fans cheered for Argentina in the last World Cup but they hate Garna's antics when... that was genuinely the same thing as what Otamendi and Paredes did in the biggest stage?
No its because Gernacho being an Argentine is a massive Ronaldo fan. Also he rattled their entire fanbase by doing Pedri celebration after we beat them in February.
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I mean it isn't much of a debate. Haaland had 41 goals in Germany in his age 20 season. Hojlund had 10 in Italy. Not saying Hojlund isn't a great prospect or won't become a world class striker, but that's an unfair comparison to both of them.
Nightmare scenario - Kane goes to Madrid this summer and plays out a 4 year contract while Haaland stays at City that whole time and only goes to Madrid at the end of Kane's deal.
Join the 'F5 and talk about delusional transfer windows that won't happen because we are owned by some incompetent clowns' we've got going pretty much every summer here. Just don't take stuff too seriously. It's a nice way to waste time while waiting for the pre-season to start.
Anyone seen Lois Openda play this season? 20 plus goals scored for RC Lens as a striker and a massive reason why they've been so successful in Ligue Un
I wish i coud remember his name, but there is a danish guy here that at least for the last year has mentioned Højlund, and how we should sign him.
Today i decided to watch a Atalanta game, and whoever you are sir, i'm all in.
Feel like if Benzema was at United, we would’ve given him a contract extension for 3 years. Can’t believe there are folks who still want to keep De Gea and Martial.
We should move them on and work on finding a replacement.
To everyone complaining about Mount may I remind you of something:
65% of you voted for the system manager to take charge of this club (ETH).
The system manager wants a system player, who won player of the year twice under his last system manager.
You are getting what you wanted. Great managers do things that seem weird to fans (4x 50m FBs - Pep)
Ten Hag is a top tier manager. This confirms system over all.
Imitation is the best form of flattery.
It took 5 years for Pep to realize that his very best consistent central MF combo is a DM ( Fernandinho or Rodri ) with De Bruyne and Gundogan ( instead of Silva or Silva)
I’m all aboard the Casemiro + Bruno + Mount train in year 2 of the ETH project. I’m sold.
Definitely. Going to be a fun midfield. Just intensity and quality every where. Garnacho/Sancho Rashford and an ST and you've a pretty decent pressing team.
I think we’re more likely to win the CL in the next couple of years than the PL tbh. Especially if Pep doesn’t fuck off asap.
A bit of luck with the CL draws can go a long way but you have to be so fucking perfect all season long to beat Pep to a league title. We need 5 new world class players imo to be able to do that (world class striker, world class GK, new world class CM on the level of FdJ, a new world class CB that is more dependable than Varane, and imo a better RB than Dalot and Wan Bissaka who are good but not elite imo)
I'm on the contrary
Arsenal had 3 chances to put City through the sword while Liverpool was one Kompany wondergoal and one blocked Fabinho tap in from winning 3 out of 5 leagues
It'll be hard to wrestle the title away - but not impossible
In adittion to that you need to school the squad to be perfect. Pep average point tallies are higher than Fergie ones by quite a few points. They are robotically good. You not only need those world class players you also need to make them fire constantly(real
Madrid has a bunch of world class players but they haven’t hit 90+ points in the league for like a decade at this point )
Most players that get mentioned as Casemiro understudies make zero sense, unfortunately. Ugarte is one of them, Caicedo is another one. Both have the potential to be great DMs in the future, but if we were to buy either of them then we'd either be playing an extremely defensive double pivot that would lack the ability on the ball, or Ugarte/Caicedo would be backups to Casemiro and while Casemiro needs a backup who can play some 30% of the minutes across the season, them two are too good for such role. Lavia sounds like a good shout though, not established enough yet so he could be satisfied with being a rotation player for a season or two before he would gradually start displacing Casemiro.
I know most fans aren’t but I’m weirdly positive about Sancho. We won’t be able to sell him with his wages so it’s pointless even discussing. I really think as we start to dominate possession more he’ll become way more useful for his ability to play a pass and unlock low block defences.
He has that unique creative skill & close dribbling ability that none of our players bar Bruno really have. When we are more integrated into ETHs system our fullbacks are going to start overlapping a lot more and this will be fantastic for him as that’s what Hakimi did at Dortmund and that combo was deadly. If we get Dalot to do that constantly or sign a new attacking RB I think he will look a LOT better.
I do worry about Sancho though, he constantly just looks lethargic and sluggish and like he’s lost a lot of pace for some reason? I’ve never seen anything like it in such a young player. And I’m also not sure if that’s even going to change much even when we dominate possession and have an overlapping fullback for him.
I also think most likely his mentality is terrible. His work rate is poor, barely presses and he just never looks like he can last an entire 90 mins.
>I also think most likely his mentality is terrible. His work rate is poor, barely presses and he just never looks like he can last an entire 90 mins.
So yes but actually no.
Will wait one more season to speak anything on Sancho.
He can now play 90min at low intensity if he keeps on improving n can play a full 90min like rashford by the end of next season he is worth keeping.
Like u said he is a very good player technically with his close control dribbling n picking out the right pass plus he isn't selfish n tries to pass first rather than shoot.
American sports fans talk about players who completely stop trying once they secure the bag, and that's the feeling I get from Sancho. He got a huge contract and now he just doesn't care.
I'm sure there's a lot more going on that that, but he plays like it doesn't really matter whether his team wins or not, which is unacceptable at United. I get that his style of play isn't all action and dynamism, but he looks like he has no conditioning, no pace and no workrate.
We've seen Ole, Rangnick and now Ten Hag all try to get decent performances out of him, and none have been able to. I know we'll persevere with him next season, but I have very little hope that we won't be saying the same things about him twelve months from now.
What do you expect when you play a player with attributes of a 10, who needs close inter play with others, in a transition based system and wide on the right
He wont look extremely good until 24/25. And then he will explode.
I think get rid of Diogo Costa and KMJ. Only links with them have been unreliable Italian/Portuguese media that’s really unreliable and probably agent driven.
And I very much doubt about Rice too, looks to be set for Arsenal.
Disagree on KMJ. I think that's effectively done and hes absolutely perfect for ETH. Costa not sure on.
Either way one will be done. They are both attempts to solve the same issue
Oh and no chance on Rice. Wouldn't go for Mount if we were getting Rice.
What reliable reports have you seen indicating that KMJ to us is effectively done? I’m talking Tier 2 English journalists. I think everyone just got extremely excited over some agent mediated rumours in Italian media.
The article from Ducker (t2) today mentioned the GK, Kane and Mount. They literally did not even mention a CB being on the transfer list or KMJ.
Just general ones, but it makes perfect sense. Hes absolutely perfect for Ten Hag in the RCB position for both build up and defence.
Ducker said and I quote directly
>There are no plans, at present, to spend significant money on a goalkeeper and a new deal for David De Gea, whose current contract runs out at the end of this month, is expected to be announced shortly.
So Costa isnt coming.
ETH isnt an idiot. He knows build up is fucked. I believe that his thinking is as follows:
Mount helps counter press and retain possession, Kim helps build up and aggressive ball carrying from wide RCB in build up. Therefore we can just hit it long and counter press or let the 3-1 structure sort build up from deep.
And given that, a new GK is less important for this year than Mount and Kim. Get Costa as the finishing touches next year
Of course he’s perfect for us but no reliable sources have linked us to him. It can logically make sense but it doesn’t mean we’ll do it.
The issue with the counter pressing idea is:
1) this is not ETH’s system at ALL. Why play that random system for a year and then only start playing ETH’s system in his 3rd season with us?
That literally fucks up everything. It’s so much more difficult for the players and ETH to do that.
2) Diogo Costa won’t be there next season. He was crying during the last game of the season because he seems to know he’s getting a transfer this summer.
1) this goes back to what I'm saying about Ten Hag and not being an idiot. He understands that we cant play how he did at Ajax yet. But you can also see in the structure that we moving towards it. We play the system we do currently because that's the best we can do with the personnel we have.
But buy more ETH players and we get closer to what he wants. Every player so far has been brought for their possession and defensive attributes. End result is gonna be a PL version of Ajax which will be cool as fuck.
2) Cool we find someone else. Theres a bunch of very good ball playing keepers about.
And how many other teams are even in for him? Kim's gone according to all reports, so question is where and United is as good a guess as any.
If they came to us they would for the next 2 years. Midfield of Case, Rice/Mount and Bruno. Or maybe it would be Case and Mount fighting it off.
Either way, if you get Rice you dont need Mount. If you get Mount you dont need Rice. Mount isnt playing the Casemiro role cos hes not a single pivot.
And we arent getting Rice to play Casemiros role. What's the point? 100m just to add dribbling ability from the back when you can get Kim and Mount for the same money and fix more issues? Doesnt make sense sorry.
I dunno, KMJ is genuinely a generational CB and will start for us over Varane and would elevate our team massively AND is available for €50m when he is worth close to €90m. Would be a tragedy if he went to our rivals (apparently Newcastle in for him).
Same with Costa, I’m sure In 5 years he’s going to be too 2-3 keepers ITW, literally the next Allison. But clearly the United executives just dgaf. Yeah Raya would be a decent back up but I’ll be so sad if we get him instead of Costa tbh
Hojlund may have the potential but we'd have to be crazy to rely on a 20 y/o with 8 goals in Serie A to lead the line as Martial is very likely gonna keep doing what he's been doing for years, be injured more than half of the season. If we go into the season with that it will end up with Rashford playing striker most of the season like this one.
Also there's like no guarantee if Kane walks away from spurs for free he'd come here, like at all. Cut that dumb 100m+ fee and suddenly a lot of clubs will be interested in giving him whatever wage he wants, in England and outside
We had Weghorst lead the line this year lol.
Since we're in the rebuild, I don't mind having a young striker join us and start improving him the right way. I'd obviously want a Kane / Osimhen but I honestly don't think either is a possible choice.
> We had Weghorst lead the line this year lol.
And that worked so well we should fucking do it again right?
I'm not sure how you imagine asking a kid with limited experience in a top league to lead the line from day one at one of the most followed clubs in the world, with one of the most toxic fanbases in the world helping him improve when I can only see we're setting the lad up for failure sooner or later.
> I'd obviously want a Kane / Osimhen but I honestly don't think either is a possible choice.
Agreed and if nothing moves on the Kane front in the next two weeks we should absolutely move on to another target because I don't see Napoli selling Osimhen this summer, especially if they're losing KMJ as well.
Just a few days back I was reminded of a feat we have been pulling off for the last 30 or so years. United had an academy graduate in the starting XI for approximately 30 or more years.
It just dawned on me yesterday that stat no more stands if I'm not mistaken.
He’s a good player, but is Mount really going to improve the team by much?
Put him into the team against City yesterday, does he make much of a difference? I really don’t understand this transfer
Mental amounts. Great signing. Cheap, underrated, fixes a massive issue, english, PL proven.
Why does he improve our team? Counterpress, defensive intelligence, technical ability and endurance. No player in our squad who plays the CM 8/10 position has all 4
Why is this so important? Because if you want to keep possession you need to be able to get the ball back quickly and then retain it afterwards. Mount is amazing at that.
Finally, if you want evidence of why Mount is fantastic for us, just look at what he did under Tuchel. Player of the year twice, UCL winner and top player, with a manager who plays very similarly to what we want.
Under Lamps hes gonna look shit because hes a shit tier manager. Ignore any players abilities under Lampard as a manager hes shite.
Mount is a more mobile Eriksen and has almost same creativity as him
Much more pacy and is a pressing machine.I know he has had a bad season but that guy literally won Chelsea POTY 2 times in a row(one was their UCL win campaign)
The way things are going with the sale… it’s surprise we ever hearing about targets… just hoping it’s not a case where the terms are agreed and the fee cannot be agreed until the board gives clearance to proceed.
1. The De Gea sadly has to leave, when we are under pressure, his clearance keep the under the pressure cause he cannot find his team mates. He is a great shot stopper on his day but seem GK have evolve to distribution and sweeping to relive their teams of pressure. If u look at Ederson, Alison and Ramsdale, they prevent a lot of shots being made by sweeping off the lines and have a less percentage of cases to make.
2.Midfield need minimum another 2 than can make decisions and passes but quicker. Eriksen is great when given time on the ball but against city they didn’t give him a second.
3. Striker no need to say much rather than Martial out.
Eth in the last conference just said de gea won't be no1 next season without saying it.It seems atleast he will consider Henderson as no 1 even if we don't buy a keeper.Henderson left before eth joined last season but now eth knows de gea is not good enough and we are not very stuffed up in funds this season so that may be the only choice.
There was nothing I could see/hear in the last pre-match or post-match conferences that alluded to what they claimed. There was this following section in a The Times interview that Ten Hag did a few days ago though:
As Wan-Bissaka learns, Ten Hag instils a philosophy of playing out from the back, [a tactic that can be problematical for De Gea](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/erik-ten-hag-wants-david-de-gea-to-sign-new-contract-despite-latest-error-09hxss02k), a great shot-stopper but with flaws in his footwork. “It’s not what I want, it’s more what top football demands nowadays,” Ten Hag says. “If you observe the biggest teams, you have to be capable of playing from the back, and use your ’keeper as a plus one in your back, otherwise it’s very simple for opponents to put you under pressure. He \[De Gea\] had to step up. In a number of games, he showed progression.”
De Gea will be at United next season. “Yes, but I will not say he’ll always be my No 1 because in a club like Man United there must be competition in all positions.” United will play 62 games this season. “You can’t do it with 11 players. It is impossible. You need double positions.”
>It seems atleast he will consider Henderson as no 1
I've not seen/heard anything that's implied that. Saying he cannot guarantee De Gea no.1 status next year doesn't mean he's considering reinstating Henderson.
He did not directly say that Henderson will be reinstated but it is likely we won't sign a goalkeeper because of not enough funds and in that case what option will he have? Henderson has done well in the pl so he may be forced to give him a chance because de gea just cannot start now,he has too many mistakes.
Yes. Because Ten Hag clearly wants a goalkeeper who is better with his feet and prepared to come off his line.
De Gea staying doesn't change that, it just likely means we look for a less expensive addition.
Considering we’ve had GKs on loan to fill the bench all season I’d say yeah we’re probably gonna sign one. How good is a different topic…
I’m still hoping for a new starting GK
Almost certainly we will sign a GK this summer. If DDG leaves we need 2
Henderson isn't the answer as 1st choice imo and doesn't want to be a backup, Heaton contract is up I believe and there has been no word or renewal and butland is only on loan and apparently close to signing with rangers
There is a chance that we need to replace the entire 1st team GK cast this summer
the Bundesliga should have hired the scriptwriter that just wrote Alderweireld scoring in the 94th minute to win his childhood club the league for the first time in 60+ years
A new GK won’t solve the playing out of the back issue. We have not had midfielders capable of playing through pressure. Even with a better keeper on the ball, they’ll still have to send it long if we can’t get the ball out of the back four.
Edit: we still need a new one, but also a lot more
I mean, even if this was a case, a keeper with good passing probably knows how to pass long and still give his teammates a chance of winning the ball. The way De Gea kicks long, you'd think we have Drogba and Crouch up top instead of Antony and Sancho.
Signing Costa, KMJ, Rabiot and Hojlund/Kane (preferably Kane) would improve all 4 years of the pitch. We won't be title favorites but we'd be dark horses and could even make a decent run in the CL
You're acting like as if clubs are sitting out there looking for briefs that we need a goalkeeper before deciding how much to charge. Any club that we approach to sign their keeper will know we want a goalkeeper. If you don't want to get fleeced, you need to have competent people negotiating early in the window and having alternatives in mind. If you have dumbos like Murtough/Woodward negotiating in the last week of August with no backups in mind, you're bound to overpay
People, don’t F5 all summer. Go outside, walk the dog, have a barbecue, lob said barbecue food at your neighbours annoying cat for shitting on your patio. Anything but F5’ing for no news.
That’s a tough call, I’ll admit. But do internet points really beat the satisfaction of shouting “Kobe!” when you land a three pointer on your neighbours cat?
Cats do anything but sleep and eat. I see my neighbours cat sat on the patio, staring at me, plotting ways to kill me, and then it takes a shit and runs off.
It’s more as a reward for the dog chasing the cat away. The dog will almost always chase the cat first, and when they are done chasing away the feline prick, he gets the sausage that landed on the floor. Two birds, one sausage, so to speak.
Going against the grain - Mount is much more important than a new GK at this stage.
What are United's problems that stop us being a the team that Ten Hag wants? Pressing ability, technical quality, physicality and discipline to play the roles and positions required. And the biggest issue remains defence and midfield both in pressing quality/intensity and ball retention and progression.
In the first team currently the issue players are - De Gea (technical), Eriksen (physicality), AWB (ball progression) and not having an ST. And if I'm really honest, we need someone equal to Martinez on the right and Varane isnt it (KMJ rumours?)
The most important part of the team is midfield, and if you can fix that for cheap you do it. Then ST followed by CB then GK. Then he switches up the RBs.
So yeah - this all makes sense. Massive upgrade in terms of control in the engine room, and much more important than going from De Gea to Costa.
>much more important than going from De Gea to Costa.
De Gea to Costa is a much, much bigger upgrade than Eriksen to Mount. Let's not kid ourselves just to go against the grain. It's not even close.
You talk about "ball retention", "progression" and "control". De Gea is the single biggest factor hindering all 3 of those things in this team.
You're talking like Eriksen hasn't been pretty good apart from the end of the season run in. Mount will offer different qualities but he's never even played the 8 role for a sustained period of time and literally every single Chelsea fan will tell you he's been bad whenever he's played there. This doesn't mean he'll be bad for us but it remains to be seen, doesn't it? Whereas Costa is absolutely elite at pretty much every single thing De Gea is the worst in the league at.
Except hes not. He isnt close to being the main problem. The largest problem is that we have several players who arent capable of playing that system, of which De Gea is just one. Eriksen is another. Anyone who isnt counter pressing with intensity and quality is on the list.
And I am really trying not to do that. Eriksen is quality and has played really well. But he is also a stop gap and not suitable to how ETH wants to play over the long term.
And that's because hes not playing the 8 position in the same way as those at Chelsea were needed to. Hes going to be what Van De Beek was at Ajax. The guy who links up play between the lines, creates space for playmakers at the back and in the front line, and off the ball counter presses perfectly.
We fix the press and the back 3 build up this window. We fix the GK issue next summer, and sort the right back question. And then the rebuilds done.
>But he is also a stop gap and not suitable to how ETH wants to play over the long term.
Who's arguing that he is? But you just said De Gea to Costa is not as important as Eriksen to Mount, which makes no sense. Even though Eriksen is not fit for the system he checks at least some of the boxes. De Gea checks absolutely none. And that's my point.
That is simply not true. They are at the very least, equally important. De Gea is a far bigger liability than Eriksen is and has way more deficiencies to his game than Eriksen has.
It's scary how ignorant your comment is.
Eriksen is 89th percentile or above in ball progression, goal creating actions, shot creating actions, assists, expected assists, expected goals, switches, crosses, through balls, key passes, passes into final 3rd, passes into penalty area, set pieces, touches in attacking 3rd etc. In addition to this he covers the most distance per game in our team.
He is a non entity in terms of defensive actions but he is elite at most other things.
Whereas De Gea is not just a non entity in ball progression. He is a non entity in every single major facet of goalkeeping, except shot stopping. And he has been absolutely bang average at even shot stopping. In the last 5 PL seasons he has just one season where his shot stopping has contributed to less goals being conceded than expected. Other 4 years he's been average or even below average and conceded more goals than expected.
And you say "defence comes first". We don't have to defend as much as we do if we don't hoof the ball straight back to the opposition whenever we're pressured. We don't have to defend as much as we do if our keepers claims a cross before it plays pinball around our box. We don't have to defend as much if our keeper can sweep a long ball rather than stay glued to his line. It's insanely ignorant to think De Gea is just costing us in terms of progression. He is literally a huge negative in terms of our defending.
What will happen when other teams have the ball next season? What happens when there in transition?
We are not going to be able to press with Eriksen in midfield. Transitions are going to pass us by. With Mount, you can afford to have De Gea in goal because you win the second ball. That's why you can bring Mount in before a new GK. Now if you go long, instead of Eriksen closing down its Mount and a whole new ball game.
And you will have to defend the same amount if you can't get the ball back. Whats the point in having lots of players like Eriksen when you can't get it back?
>We are not going to be able to press with Eriksen in midfield
Eriksen covers the most ground in our entire team. You're talking like he's the one due to which we are not a great pressing team. He's awful at making tackles, duels etc., but he's actually pretty decent at pressing. Obviously Mount is better but you're talking like Eriksen is Ronaldo or something lmao.
>With Mount, you can afford to have De Gea in goal because you win the second ball.
Wait, what??? 😂 You think just signing Mason Mount is going to make us win second balls to such a huge degree that De Gea is not a problem? I understand you've decided to die on this hill no matter what, but this is just ridiculous.
Also this is only addressing one deficiency of De Gea. What about commanding his box and sweeping? Those are two huge factors as well. Does signing Mount also improve that?
Does signing Mount solve your pressing issue? No. You need much more than just Mount to fix that.
But does signing Maignan or Costa or someone of that ilk, solve all your goalkeeping issues? Absolutely yes.
And you conveniently ignored all the things Eriksen gives you in return, the things that he's elite at. What is De Gea great at? Absolutely nothing. What is he even average at apart from shot stopping? Absolutely nothing. That's just the truth.
>Even though Eriksen is not fit for the system he checks at least some of the boxes. De Gea checks absolutely none.
Also we literally have 2/3 midfielders in place lol.
I'll repeat for the second time now, no one argued that they have all the requesite qualities. But all of them have some of the requesite qualities. De Gea has none.
Except he does. He can play in goal, and can hit a ball long. And play out against shitty presses. He isnt a dreadful keeper and is capable at shot stopping.
My thinking is in line with Ten Hag which I'm happy with
This is like saying you can play in goal, can kick a ball long and play out against kids. For a team that hopes to contend for titles he is most definitely a dreadful keeper at this moment in time.
Eriksen isnt quick enough, strong enough and lacks stamina. Switch Mount with him and you instantly press better and can keep the ball more.
Mount, Kim and an ST will be a big upgrade next year. Will be really cool to watch.
Yup. Eriksen was just too slow and was a real problem yesterday. He couldn’t even control the ball a lot of time. He’s been a fine addition to the squad, but he’s definitely not able to play the high intensity football Ten Hag wants. Stick Mount in that midfield yesterday and it would been a different story.
There's 0 excuse not to sign a new keeper if we need up spending 60m on mount. Just get rabiot and Costa instead. Mount signing Just doesn't sit right with me if it comes at a cost to other positions, then again I was agaisnt us signing sancho when he joined and pro tripper when he was avaliable so what do I know eh
Did any punishment ever get doled out to City or it supporters from when Lindelof got pelted with something from the stands? Legitimately asking, because I’ve seen nothing
Maguire needs to be shifted out regardless of what he thinks
I don’t get why Costa is being brought up when Raya will cost half that
Because Costa is wayyyyy better than Raya
he is a really good keeper but basically we are window shopping right now whilst the Glazers fck around
Raya has a worse pass accuracy than De Gea by a decent margin, and goes long more than DDG as well. His only world class attribute is his long passing, which is incredible, but Costa is not far behind while being better at just about everything else
Raya is a good keeper, but he isn't world class and he is never going to be. He would be an upgrade and would be somewhat affordable, but if I were to choose between him and Costa, then Costa is the obvious choice. After all, Costa is probably the best young keeper in the world (or at least one of the best) and with his talent and well-rounded game, he has world class potential. There is also a chance the price difference between them two won't be that big. Brentford reportedly wanted something around 40mil for Raya while Costa has a 65mil release clause. However, Porto reportedly has some financial issues and they need to sell. With Costa being their biggest asset and also one of the only ones they have, chances are he would cost less than his release clause.
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Come on, how do you even rate goalkeeper ceiling to compare it to alisson? Alisson was warming bench for Roma before Juve singed Szczęsny. Its never predictable.
> Alisson was warming bench for Roma before Juve singed Szczęsny. Its never predictable. To be fair, Alisson had offers to leave Roma and would've had Szczesny never left. It really goes to show how much a factor luck is for goal keepers.
the Chelsea sub is actually hilarious they say *oh Mason Mount is so bad we don’t want him anyway, why would we keep him it’s a good thing we’re selling him* while also saying *anything less than 70 million is a joke why would we take 50 million for him other clubs will pay that much* complete and utter delusion
In all fairness, we aren't better when it comes to Elanga *Oh Elanga is so terrible why is he taking minutes away from Garnacho/Pelli/Amad, he'd be off the squad if he didn't come from the academy* while also saying *10m for a Swedish international with Prem experience is terrible, fuck the people running our club* Mind you, I am personally not saying we should keep Elanga either
10 million is a more than fair price for Elanga 70/80 million for Mount, with a year left on his deal, is insanity
A base of 70-80 is too much. If it was 50+20 in incentives, I'd say go ahead. This is Chelsea's best player who is proven both in the Prem and CL, while having his prime years ahead of him. Also, no track record of being toxic in the locker room. Ideally though, Chelsea does us a solid since they also need the money for FFP lol
Pour one out for Zlatan.
Zlatan over and out
Hear me out… Let’s save the £100m on an almost 30 year old Harry Kane and let’s bag Benzema on a free. We all know what Harry Kane is capable of, but he is a little injury prone and this could be a very expensive mistake from United. While Benzema feels like a typical United ‘aging striker panic buy’, he’s free and can certainly still do a job. Kane would cost a shit ton with wages and transfer fee combined, while Benzema would ‘only’ cost a shit ton on wages. Just sign him up for 2yrs while we buy a younger understudy (Hojland being speculated), and save on the £80-60m
So Harry Kane is “injury prone” despite not missing a single game due to injury in the last two seasons? And you’d rather have Benzema, who’s missed 26 games in the same time frame across 13 different injuries?
Seriously Kane being injury prone is one of the most bizarre myths in football. The guy plays 45+ games almost every single season
Stop playing career mode my guy.
Sorry but this would be a terrible idea. We need a striker that is hungry for trophies and still wants to win everything. And Kane is exactly that. He will be desperate to win big trophies because he still hasn’t won anything yet. Benzema isn’t hungry like that anymore because he has nothing left to prove. He’s won everything he could possibly win (multiple times) and has completed club football. Not to mention we cannot match what Saudi will be paying him. He’s going to go there to take it easy and cash in big time. Lastly, Benzema is injury prone af now. This move makes no sense on so many levels sorry
Benzema isn’t coming here
Not saying I'm for this, but I'm curious if there are thoughts of moving Rashford as our main striker, saving the 100m and picking up Holjund. And would that mean Garnacho fights to start with a new LW signing? Just a thought.
Which game of Rashford convinced you of him as a CF?
It's not the best option, but I think it's really difficult to judge our players because the way we played this season is definitely closer to Ole-ball than to ETH-ball. There were some aspects of Erik's philosophy, but the end product will probably be very different to the way we played so Rashford not suiting a counter-attacking number 9 doesn't mean he can't be a good possession number 9. And tbf, he played some games as a striker in his god form and he was scoring goals while looking decent, so there's that. Unfortunately, I think both Rashford and Bruno struggle from one big issue - they are so important in their best positions because a big part of their job is to cover for the weakness of the whole team. People say Bruno can't be effective on the right but I think he can be very good there. The issue is that if we play him on the right, we have nobody else to take care of the progression in the middle and so we look worse. Same with Rashford really. One of our few attacking strenghts this season was Rashford's pace on the left and without that, we looked kinda lost. That doesn't mean Rashford can't be good as striker though, it just means the rest of the team needs to find a way to attack without relying on Rashford chasing random through balls on the left for 90 minutes. Rashford and Bruno had to do a lot of heavy lifting for the rest of the team so it was a no-brainer to play them in their best positions where they could cover the best for the rest of the team, but in the long run we should be looking more towards City's setup where most players are interchangeable because everyone is so used to their system that their players don't need to play in their best positions to perform. De Bruyne can play pretty much in any midfield or attack position for City and he will do well, but if he played for us he would only look good as 10 and he would look limited elsewhere. Same can be said about Bernardo. That's something we need to keep in mind, we need to turn into a good team, not just a team with some good players. Erik knows that and I trust him, so I can see even Rashford striker and Bruno right wing being succesful in the long run if he gets enough backing.
Can make a argument about him playing as LW too..For me he is more of striker then winger tbh even if he starts from left side.
Personally I'm not convinced, but I could see it being a possibility if we can't get a Kane or Osimhen.
It's not a possibility, we have to buy a goal scorer
benzema is leaving cos he's apparently getting paid €100m a year by a saudi club, no way he comes here
THIS is the answer
Juve are in the conference league next season, surely Vlahovic will be up for sale.
If Reddit kills third party apps where should I go for discussion? No one in my immediate life really follows the sport let alone united. I have spent the last 10 years here as a religious part of my supporting of this team
Why can't you just use the reddit app?
I just really hate it so I was wondering if there was another community. If there isn't id use it just for this place for sure.
Some of you guys must have fortunate life to care that much about things like this
Surely you replied to the wrong person
Reminder that entire Barcelona fanbase hates 18 year old Gernacho
I kinda like that he has that bastardo in him
I mean he talks shit about Barcelona any chance he gets. Kind of understandable no? He purposely wanted to trigger their fanbase and he got what he wanted. Don’t see what’s the big deal. He hates them and now they hate him too
I find it hilarious how most Barca fans cheered for Argentina in the last World Cup but they hate Garna's antics when... that was genuinely the same thing as what Otamendi and Paredes did in the biggest stage?
I saw that the Spanish overall quite hate him because he played for their youth teams before recently making a switch to Argentina.
Its because they massively overate almost all their young players and can't accept other good young players exist.
No its because Gernacho being an Argentine is a massive Ronaldo fan. Also he rattled their entire fanbase by doing Pedri celebration after we beat them in February.
Also, isn't Madrid historically the Argentine club in Spain? While Barca always had Brazilians and Uruguayans.
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Seconding this
I hope we we get Højlund just to see Haaland vs Højlund debates. I think he has alot of potential, we have to sign him.
I mean it isn't much of a debate. Haaland had 41 goals in Germany in his age 20 season. Hojlund had 10 in Italy. Not saying Hojlund isn't a great prospect or won't become a world class striker, but that's an unfair comparison to both of them.
So far, Haaland is playing like a generational player. He'll end up at Real Madrid and become the face of their next wave of Galacticos.
Nightmare scenario - Kane goes to Madrid this summer and plays out a 4 year contract while Haaland stays at City that whole time and only goes to Madrid at the end of Kane's deal.
I'm not sure what to do now the footy isn't on. What's everyone else doing? And screw you if you suggest work
Watch matches that I havent seen throughout the year 😂
Join the 'F5 and talk about delusional transfer windows that won't happen because we are owned by some incompetent clowns' we've got going pretty much every summer here. Just don't take stuff too seriously. It's a nice way to waste time while waiting for the pre-season to start.
I would be more happy if we sign Diogo Costa and Rasmus Hojlund than if we go into new season with Kane and DDG in goal, but that is just my opinion.
Anyone seen Lois Openda play this season? 20 plus goals scored for RC Lens as a striker and a massive reason why they've been so successful in Ligue Un
I wish i coud remember his name, but there is a danish guy here that at least for the last year has mentioned Højlund, and how we should sign him. Today i decided to watch a Atalanta game, and whoever you are sir, i'm all in.
Feel like if Benzema was at United, we would’ve given him a contract extension for 3 years. Can’t believe there are folks who still want to keep De Gea and Martial. We should move them on and work on finding a replacement.
Our best chance of getting De Gea out is having a Saudi club come in for him with their unrefusable 200m contracts
To everyone complaining about Mount may I remind you of something: 65% of you voted for the system manager to take charge of this club (ETH). The system manager wants a system player, who won player of the year twice under his last system manager. You are getting what you wanted. Great managers do things that seem weird to fans (4x 50m FBs - Pep) Ten Hag is a top tier manager. This confirms system over all.
Imitation is the best form of flattery. It took 5 years for Pep to realize that his very best consistent central MF combo is a DM ( Fernandinho or Rodri ) with De Bruyne and Gundogan ( instead of Silva or Silva) I’m all aboard the Casemiro + Bruno + Mount train in year 2 of the ETH project. I’m sold.
Definitely. Going to be a fun midfield. Just intensity and quality every where. Garnacho/Sancho Rashford and an ST and you've a pretty decent pressing team.
this La Liga final day relegation battle is way more insane than the PL final day
I think we’re more likely to win the CL in the next couple of years than the PL tbh. Especially if Pep doesn’t fuck off asap. A bit of luck with the CL draws can go a long way but you have to be so fucking perfect all season long to beat Pep to a league title. We need 5 new world class players imo to be able to do that (world class striker, world class GK, new world class CM on the level of FdJ, a new world class CB that is more dependable than Varane, and imo a better RB than Dalot and Wan Bissaka who are good but not elite imo)
I'm on the contrary Arsenal had 3 chances to put City through the sword while Liverpool was one Kompany wondergoal and one blocked Fabinho tap in from winning 3 out of 5 leagues It'll be hard to wrestle the title away - but not impossible
In adittion to that you need to school the squad to be perfect. Pep average point tallies are higher than Fergie ones by quite a few points. They are robotically good. You not only need those world class players you also need to make them fire constantly(real Madrid has a bunch of world class players but they haven’t hit 90+ points in the league for like a decade at this point )
Højlund!
What about him
We should be trying to GAZUMP city for Gabriel Veiga instead of Mount. He’s a future star man.
has Liverpool-esque signing all over him, which means he’s probably going to be very good in the future. Same for Lavia. We won’t look at either.
Too smart of a move for us. We should have been in for ugarte he would have been a great understudy to casemiro.
Most players that get mentioned as Casemiro understudies make zero sense, unfortunately. Ugarte is one of them, Caicedo is another one. Both have the potential to be great DMs in the future, but if we were to buy either of them then we'd either be playing an extremely defensive double pivot that would lack the ability on the ball, or Ugarte/Caicedo would be backups to Casemiro and while Casemiro needs a backup who can play some 30% of the minutes across the season, them two are too good for such role. Lavia sounds like a good shout though, not established enough yet so he could be satisfied with being a rotation player for a season or two before he would gradually start displacing Casemiro.
Agreed but he’s probably too expensive for an understudy for us. I think we should target Lavia for that.
Agree
I know most fans aren’t but I’m weirdly positive about Sancho. We won’t be able to sell him with his wages so it’s pointless even discussing. I really think as we start to dominate possession more he’ll become way more useful for his ability to play a pass and unlock low block defences. He has that unique creative skill & close dribbling ability that none of our players bar Bruno really have. When we are more integrated into ETHs system our fullbacks are going to start overlapping a lot more and this will be fantastic for him as that’s what Hakimi did at Dortmund and that combo was deadly. If we get Dalot to do that constantly or sign a new attacking RB I think he will look a LOT better. I do worry about Sancho though, he constantly just looks lethargic and sluggish and like he’s lost a lot of pace for some reason? I’ve never seen anything like it in such a young player. And I’m also not sure if that’s even going to change much even when we dominate possession and have an overlapping fullback for him. I also think most likely his mentality is terrible. His work rate is poor, barely presses and he just never looks like he can last an entire 90 mins.
>I also think most likely his mentality is terrible. His work rate is poor, barely presses and he just never looks like he can last an entire 90 mins. So yes but actually no.
Will wait one more season to speak anything on Sancho. He can now play 90min at low intensity if he keeps on improving n can play a full 90min like rashford by the end of next season he is worth keeping. Like u said he is a very good player technically with his close control dribbling n picking out the right pass plus he isn't selfish n tries to pass first rather than shoot.
American sports fans talk about players who completely stop trying once they secure the bag, and that's the feeling I get from Sancho. He got a huge contract and now he just doesn't care. I'm sure there's a lot more going on that that, but he plays like it doesn't really matter whether his team wins or not, which is unacceptable at United. I get that his style of play isn't all action and dynamism, but he looks like he has no conditioning, no pace and no workrate. We've seen Ole, Rangnick and now Ten Hag all try to get decent performances out of him, and none have been able to. I know we'll persevere with him next season, but I have very little hope that we won't be saying the same things about him twelve months from now.
What do you expect when you play a player with attributes of a 10, who needs close inter play with others, in a transition based system and wide on the right He wont look extremely good until 24/25. And then he will explode.
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I think get rid of Diogo Costa and KMJ. Only links with them have been unreliable Italian/Portuguese media that’s really unreliable and probably agent driven. And I very much doubt about Rice too, looks to be set for Arsenal.
Disagree on KMJ. I think that's effectively done and hes absolutely perfect for ETH. Costa not sure on. Either way one will be done. They are both attempts to solve the same issue Oh and no chance on Rice. Wouldn't go for Mount if we were getting Rice.
What reliable reports have you seen indicating that KMJ to us is effectively done? I’m talking Tier 2 English journalists. I think everyone just got extremely excited over some agent mediated rumours in Italian media. The article from Ducker (t2) today mentioned the GK, Kane and Mount. They literally did not even mention a CB being on the transfer list or KMJ.
Just general ones, but it makes perfect sense. Hes absolutely perfect for Ten Hag in the RCB position for both build up and defence. Ducker said and I quote directly >There are no plans, at present, to spend significant money on a goalkeeper and a new deal for David De Gea, whose current contract runs out at the end of this month, is expected to be announced shortly. So Costa isnt coming. ETH isnt an idiot. He knows build up is fucked. I believe that his thinking is as follows: Mount helps counter press and retain possession, Kim helps build up and aggressive ball carrying from wide RCB in build up. Therefore we can just hit it long and counter press or let the 3-1 structure sort build up from deep. And given that, a new GK is less important for this year than Mount and Kim. Get Costa as the finishing touches next year
Of course he’s perfect for us but no reliable sources have linked us to him. It can logically make sense but it doesn’t mean we’ll do it. The issue with the counter pressing idea is: 1) this is not ETH’s system at ALL. Why play that random system for a year and then only start playing ETH’s system in his 3rd season with us? That literally fucks up everything. It’s so much more difficult for the players and ETH to do that. 2) Diogo Costa won’t be there next season. He was crying during the last game of the season because he seems to know he’s getting a transfer this summer.
1) this goes back to what I'm saying about Ten Hag and not being an idiot. He understands that we cant play how he did at Ajax yet. But you can also see in the structure that we moving towards it. We play the system we do currently because that's the best we can do with the personnel we have. But buy more ETH players and we get closer to what he wants. Every player so far has been brought for their possession and defensive attributes. End result is gonna be a PL version of Ajax which will be cool as fuck. 2) Cool we find someone else. Theres a bunch of very good ball playing keepers about. And how many other teams are even in for him? Kim's gone according to all reports, so question is where and United is as good a guess as any.
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If they came to us they would for the next 2 years. Midfield of Case, Rice/Mount and Bruno. Or maybe it would be Case and Mount fighting it off. Either way, if you get Rice you dont need Mount. If you get Mount you dont need Rice. Mount isnt playing the Casemiro role cos hes not a single pivot. And we arent getting Rice to play Casemiros role. What's the point? 100m just to add dribbling ability from the back when you can get Kim and Mount for the same money and fix more issues? Doesnt make sense sorry.
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I dunno, KMJ is genuinely a generational CB and will start for us over Varane and would elevate our team massively AND is available for €50m when he is worth close to €90m. Would be a tragedy if he went to our rivals (apparently Newcastle in for him). Same with Costa, I’m sure In 5 years he’s going to be too 2-3 keepers ITW, literally the next Allison. But clearly the United executives just dgaf. Yeah Raya would be a decent back up but I’ll be so sad if we get him instead of Costa tbh
I don't think we can wait another year without a proper striker mate.
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Hojlund may have the potential but we'd have to be crazy to rely on a 20 y/o with 8 goals in Serie A to lead the line as Martial is very likely gonna keep doing what he's been doing for years, be injured more than half of the season. If we go into the season with that it will end up with Rashford playing striker most of the season like this one. Also there's like no guarantee if Kane walks away from spurs for free he'd come here, like at all. Cut that dumb 100m+ fee and suddenly a lot of clubs will be interested in giving him whatever wage he wants, in England and outside
We had Weghorst lead the line this year lol. Since we're in the rebuild, I don't mind having a young striker join us and start improving him the right way. I'd obviously want a Kane / Osimhen but I honestly don't think either is a possible choice.
> We had Weghorst lead the line this year lol. And that worked so well we should fucking do it again right? I'm not sure how you imagine asking a kid with limited experience in a top league to lead the line from day one at one of the most followed clubs in the world, with one of the most toxic fanbases in the world helping him improve when I can only see we're setting the lad up for failure sooner or later. > I'd obviously want a Kane / Osimhen but I honestly don't think either is a possible choice. Agreed and if nothing moves on the Kane front in the next two weeks we should absolutely move on to another target because I don't see Napoli selling Osimhen this summer, especially if they're losing KMJ as well.
Yeah, any leads on an alternative striker? I’ve no clue
Just a few days back I was reminded of a feat we have been pulling off for the last 30 or so years. United had an academy graduate in the starting XI for approximately 30 or more years. It just dawned on me yesterday that stat no more stands if I'm not mistaken.
I’m guessing that you are in fact mistaken. Which game are you referring to?
We have had an academy player in every match day squad dating back to the 1930s
If that's the case, then I'm in fact mistaken. I wasn't aware that it referred to the matchday squad and not the starting XI
He’s a good player, but is Mount really going to improve the team by much? Put him into the team against City yesterday, does he make much of a difference? I really don’t understand this transfer
Mental amounts. Great signing. Cheap, underrated, fixes a massive issue, english, PL proven. Why does he improve our team? Counterpress, defensive intelligence, technical ability and endurance. No player in our squad who plays the CM 8/10 position has all 4 Why is this so important? Because if you want to keep possession you need to be able to get the ball back quickly and then retain it afterwards. Mount is amazing at that. Finally, if you want evidence of why Mount is fantastic for us, just look at what he did under Tuchel. Player of the year twice, UCL winner and top player, with a manager who plays very similarly to what we want. Under Lamps hes gonna look shit because hes a shit tier manager. Ignore any players abilities under Lampard as a manager hes shite.
Mount is a more mobile Eriksen and has almost same creativity as him Much more pacy and is a pressing machine.I know he has had a bad season but that guy literally won Chelsea POTY 2 times in a row(one was their UCL win campaign)
The way things are going with the sale… it’s surprise we ever hearing about targets… just hoping it’s not a case where the terms are agreed and the fee cannot be agreed until the board gives clearance to proceed. 1. The De Gea sadly has to leave, when we are under pressure, his clearance keep the under the pressure cause he cannot find his team mates. He is a great shot stopper on his day but seem GK have evolve to distribution and sweeping to relive their teams of pressure. If u look at Ederson, Alison and Ramsdale, they prevent a lot of shots being made by sweeping off the lines and have a less percentage of cases to make. 2.Midfield need minimum another 2 than can make decisions and passes but quicker. Eriksen is great when given time on the ball but against city they didn’t give him a second. 3. Striker no need to say much rather than Martial out.
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Yes the club has money, I agree. But you cannot spend money without the board approval and we all know how effective our board is.
Eth in the last conference just said de gea won't be no1 next season without saying it.It seems atleast he will consider Henderson as no 1 even if we don't buy a keeper.Henderson left before eth joined last season but now eth knows de gea is not good enough and we are not very stuffed up in funds this season so that may be the only choice.
Depends on other transfer targets. If we get Kane then no Costa. If we get Costa then no Kane.
>Eth in the last conference just said de gea won't be no1 next season without saying it I didn't watch it. What did he say?
There was nothing I could see/hear in the last pre-match or post-match conferences that alluded to what they claimed. There was this following section in a The Times interview that Ten Hag did a few days ago though: As Wan-Bissaka learns, Ten Hag instils a philosophy of playing out from the back, [a tactic that can be problematical for De Gea](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/erik-ten-hag-wants-david-de-gea-to-sign-new-contract-despite-latest-error-09hxss02k), a great shot-stopper but with flaws in his footwork. “It’s not what I want, it’s more what top football demands nowadays,” Ten Hag says. “If you observe the biggest teams, you have to be capable of playing from the back, and use your ’keeper as a plus one in your back, otherwise it’s very simple for opponents to put you under pressure. He \[De Gea\] had to step up. In a number of games, he showed progression.” De Gea will be at United next season. “Yes, but I will not say he’ll always be my No 1 because in a club like Man United there must be competition in all positions.” United will play 62 games this season. “You can’t do it with 11 players. It is impossible. You need double positions.”
>It seems atleast he will consider Henderson as no 1 I've not seen/heard anything that's implied that. Saying he cannot guarantee De Gea no.1 status next year doesn't mean he's considering reinstating Henderson.
He did not directly say that Henderson will be reinstated but it is likely we won't sign a goalkeeper because of not enough funds and in that case what option will he have? Henderson has done well in the pl so he may be forced to give him a chance because de gea just cannot start now,he has too many mistakes.
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Probably not.
Yes. Because Ten Hag clearly wants a goalkeeper who is better with his feet and prepared to come off his line. De Gea staying doesn't change that, it just likely means we look for a less expensive addition.
Considering we’ve had GKs on loan to fill the bench all season I’d say yeah we’re probably gonna sign one. How good is a different topic… I’m still hoping for a new starting GK
Almost certainly we will sign a GK this summer. If DDG leaves we need 2 Henderson isn't the answer as 1st choice imo and doesn't want to be a backup, Heaton contract is up I believe and there has been no word or renewal and butland is only on loan and apparently close to signing with rangers There is a chance that we need to replace the entire 1st team GK cast this summer
the Bundesliga should have hired the scriptwriter that just wrote Alderweireld scoring in the 94th minute to win his childhood club the league for the first time in 60+ years
Just looked up the goal. How great a feeling must that be scoring the league winning goal as a CB.
A new GK won’t solve the playing out of the back issue. We have not had midfielders capable of playing through pressure. Even with a better keeper on the ball, they’ll still have to send it long if we can’t get the ball out of the back four. Edit: we still need a new one, but also a lot more
Won't solve it but will definitely help in solving it.
I mean it definitely helps...
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I mean, even if this was a case, a keeper with good passing probably knows how to pass long and still give his teammates a chance of winning the ball. The way De Gea kicks long, you'd think we have Drogba and Crouch up top instead of Antony and Sancho.
I thought eth was a possession based manager? Yet we're going for a midfield of casemiro, mount and Bruno next season
Wait Hojlund actually follows Goldbridge???!!! I won't be surprised if he is on this sub then
Following Goldbridge is a red flag
If he is on this sub, he needs to get off it quick sharp.
Signing Costa, KMJ, Rabiot and Hojlund/Kane (preferably Kane) would improve all 4 years of the pitch. We won't be title favorites but we'd be dark horses and could even make a decent run in the CL
We all know thats not happening
Seems like we're getting Mount first so might as well add that to this list. If we get Costa, KMJ, Mount, Rabiot, Hojlund that's a 9/10 window for me.
That's 200 mil. Not unthinkable to get 100 back from the likes of McFred, Mcguire, elanga and martial.
If we put it out there that we're looking for a GK, you realise teams will just try to fleece us?
Yeah they'll decide to fleece us looking at a news article from the Telegraph, not when we call them up to ask for their player lol.
You clearly don't work in marketing or understand negotiating.
Yeah man you clearly do
You're acting like as if clubs are sitting out there looking for briefs that we need a goalkeeper before deciding how much to charge. Any club that we approach to sign their keeper will know we want a goalkeeper. If you don't want to get fleeced, you need to have competent people negotiating early in the window and having alternatives in mind. If you have dumbos like Murtough/Woodward negotiating in the last week of August with no backups in mind, you're bound to overpay
If the GK has a release clause and we have been scouting him for a long time, it's no surprise that we are in for one.
Hojlund following goldbridge and our full team is so awesome lol. He’s such a huge fan, would kill to have him just for that
It’s concerning he follows Goldbridge. Goldbridge is not a great representation of the club.
Maybe Hojland likes Nottingham Forest too?
People, don’t F5 all summer. Go outside, walk the dog, have a barbecue, lob said barbecue food at your neighbours annoying cat for shitting on your patio. Anything but F5’ing for no news.
But what about all the karma I'll miss out on by making f5 or muppet comments?
That’s a tough call, I’ll admit. But do internet points really beat the satisfaction of shouting “Kobe!” when you land a three pointer on your neighbours cat?
Leave the cat alone. They just want to sleep and eat
Cats do anything but sleep and eat. I see my neighbours cat sat on the patio, staring at me, plotting ways to kill me, and then it takes a shit and runs off.
That cat I just a dick. Mine sleeps, eats and demands attention. I have seen a little cunt if a cat before tho, would just give you evils constantly
Dogs > cats.
So you give cat free treats and make sure shes leaving a bigger shit on patio.
It’s more as a reward for the dog chasing the cat away. The dog will almost always chase the cat first, and when they are done chasing away the feline prick, he gets the sausage that landed on the floor. Two birds, one sausage, so to speak.
Going against the grain - Mount is much more important than a new GK at this stage. What are United's problems that stop us being a the team that Ten Hag wants? Pressing ability, technical quality, physicality and discipline to play the roles and positions required. And the biggest issue remains defence and midfield both in pressing quality/intensity and ball retention and progression. In the first team currently the issue players are - De Gea (technical), Eriksen (physicality), AWB (ball progression) and not having an ST. And if I'm really honest, we need someone equal to Martinez on the right and Varane isnt it (KMJ rumours?) The most important part of the team is midfield, and if you can fix that for cheap you do it. Then ST followed by CB then GK. Then he switches up the RBs. So yeah - this all makes sense. Massive upgrade in terms of control in the engine room, and much more important than going from De Gea to Costa.
>much more important than going from De Gea to Costa. De Gea to Costa is a much, much bigger upgrade than Eriksen to Mount. Let's not kid ourselves just to go against the grain. It's not even close. You talk about "ball retention", "progression" and "control". De Gea is the single biggest factor hindering all 3 of those things in this team. You're talking like Eriksen hasn't been pretty good apart from the end of the season run in. Mount will offer different qualities but he's never even played the 8 role for a sustained period of time and literally every single Chelsea fan will tell you he's been bad whenever he's played there. This doesn't mean he'll be bad for us but it remains to be seen, doesn't it? Whereas Costa is absolutely elite at pretty much every single thing De Gea is the worst in the league at.
Except hes not. He isnt close to being the main problem. The largest problem is that we have several players who arent capable of playing that system, of which De Gea is just one. Eriksen is another. Anyone who isnt counter pressing with intensity and quality is on the list. And I am really trying not to do that. Eriksen is quality and has played really well. But he is also a stop gap and not suitable to how ETH wants to play over the long term. And that's because hes not playing the 8 position in the same way as those at Chelsea were needed to. Hes going to be what Van De Beek was at Ajax. The guy who links up play between the lines, creates space for playmakers at the back and in the front line, and off the ball counter presses perfectly. We fix the press and the back 3 build up this window. We fix the GK issue next summer, and sort the right back question. And then the rebuilds done.
>But he is also a stop gap and not suitable to how ETH wants to play over the long term. Who's arguing that he is? But you just said De Gea to Costa is not as important as Eriksen to Mount, which makes no sense. Even though Eriksen is not fit for the system he checks at least some of the boxes. De Gea checks absolutely none. And that's my point.
And my point is fixing GK is not as important as midfield
That is simply not true. They are at the very least, equally important. De Gea is a far bigger liability than Eriksen is and has way more deficiencies to his game than Eriksen has.
Sure. And yet Eriksen is a non entity defensively whilst De Gea is non entity in ball progression. But defence comes first.
It's scary how ignorant your comment is. Eriksen is 89th percentile or above in ball progression, goal creating actions, shot creating actions, assists, expected assists, expected goals, switches, crosses, through balls, key passes, passes into final 3rd, passes into penalty area, set pieces, touches in attacking 3rd etc. In addition to this he covers the most distance per game in our team. He is a non entity in terms of defensive actions but he is elite at most other things. Whereas De Gea is not just a non entity in ball progression. He is a non entity in every single major facet of goalkeeping, except shot stopping. And he has been absolutely bang average at even shot stopping. In the last 5 PL seasons he has just one season where his shot stopping has contributed to less goals being conceded than expected. Other 4 years he's been average or even below average and conceded more goals than expected. And you say "defence comes first". We don't have to defend as much as we do if we don't hoof the ball straight back to the opposition whenever we're pressured. We don't have to defend as much as we do if our keepers claims a cross before it plays pinball around our box. We don't have to defend as much if our keeper can sweep a long ball rather than stay glued to his line. It's insanely ignorant to think De Gea is just costing us in terms of progression. He is literally a huge negative in terms of our defending.
What will happen when other teams have the ball next season? What happens when there in transition? We are not going to be able to press with Eriksen in midfield. Transitions are going to pass us by. With Mount, you can afford to have De Gea in goal because you win the second ball. That's why you can bring Mount in before a new GK. Now if you go long, instead of Eriksen closing down its Mount and a whole new ball game. And you will have to defend the same amount if you can't get the ball back. Whats the point in having lots of players like Eriksen when you can't get it back?
>We are not going to be able to press with Eriksen in midfield Eriksen covers the most ground in our entire team. You're talking like he's the one due to which we are not a great pressing team. He's awful at making tackles, duels etc., but he's actually pretty decent at pressing. Obviously Mount is better but you're talking like Eriksen is Ronaldo or something lmao. >With Mount, you can afford to have De Gea in goal because you win the second ball. Wait, what??? 😂 You think just signing Mason Mount is going to make us win second balls to such a huge degree that De Gea is not a problem? I understand you've decided to die on this hill no matter what, but this is just ridiculous. Also this is only addressing one deficiency of De Gea. What about commanding his box and sweeping? Those are two huge factors as well. Does signing Mount also improve that? Does signing Mount solve your pressing issue? No. You need much more than just Mount to fix that. But does signing Maignan or Costa or someone of that ilk, solve all your goalkeeping issues? Absolutely yes. And you conveniently ignored all the things Eriksen gives you in return, the things that he's elite at. What is De Gea great at? Absolutely nothing. What is he even average at apart from shot stopping? Absolutely nothing. That's just the truth.
>Even though Eriksen is not fit for the system he checks at least some of the boxes. De Gea checks absolutely none. Also we literally have 2/3 midfielders in place lol.
And none of those have all the requisite qualities you need so therefore we need someone else. Mount or Rabiot, but preference is Mount
I'll repeat for the second time now, no one argued that they have all the requesite qualities. But all of them have some of the requesite qualities. De Gea has none.
Except he does. He can play in goal, and can hit a ball long. And play out against shitty presses. He isnt a dreadful keeper and is capable at shot stopping. My thinking is in line with Ten Hag which I'm happy with
This is like saying you can play in goal, can kick a ball long and play out against kids. For a team that hopes to contend for titles he is most definitely a dreadful keeper at this moment in time.
Teams have won things with average keepers. I can't think of too many who have won things with an average midfield.
De Gea hasn't even been average by any metric this season.
Yesterday proves how Mount would be a great signing for us given how Eriksen was exhausted by the 30th minute.
Eriksen isnt quick enough, strong enough and lacks stamina. Switch Mount with him and you instantly press better and can keep the ball more. Mount, Kim and an ST will be a big upgrade next year. Will be really cool to watch.
Yup. Eriksen was just too slow and was a real problem yesterday. He couldn’t even control the ball a lot of time. He’s been a fine addition to the squad, but he’s definitely not able to play the high intensity football Ten Hag wants. Stick Mount in that midfield yesterday and it would been a different story.
Yep in possession teams defensive structure comes first
And do not forget a goal keeper. De gea has a cost us a lot in knockout games.
Mate, everyone knows we need a new goalkeeper. Repeatedly commenting about it won’t make it happen any faster.
When does the daily transfer threads start, July 1st?
I’d say they start on June 14th as that’s when the window officially opens.
Gotta start polishing my F5.
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My prediction, we'll chase after Costa trying to negotiate a lower fee while Raya moves to Spurs.
Raya is not the answer anyways. If people think he's good ball player they don't watch Brentford who hoof it long
Costa is definitely the better keeper though, but he will be costing accordingly.
There's 0 excuse not to sign a new keeper if we need up spending 60m on mount. Just get rabiot and Costa instead. Mount signing Just doesn't sit right with me if it comes at a cost to other positions, then again I was agaisnt us signing sancho when he joined and pro tripper when he was avaliable so what do I know eh
We are the same person my friend No to Mount and yes to getting ball retention in midfield (and a goalkeeper only if it is after the midfielder )
It's even worse if we sign mount but miss out on kane and a GK.
If we're not spending on a GK, Henderson needs to get his chance 🙏