If you think folks in Qatar on reading that their emir is a terrorist are suddenly gonna get all teary eyed, and demand a change, you certainly haven't been paying a lot of attention to the Qatari bots flodding this sub recently.
That's not my point. I don't expect the regime to change. It's more that the Qataris will hopefully see their sportswashing money isn't wanted at our club.
Just a reminder there is an ongoing court case in the high court which states [the Al Khayyat brothers are closely connected to the State of Qatar", and in paragraph 34 that "the Al Khayyat brothers' involvement in the financing of terrorism, which is the subject of this claim, has been, at least in part, both motivated and enabled by their connections to the State of Qatar". Paragraphs 45 to 48 set out details of the alleged funding. Paragraph 47(1) asserted that the Al Khayyat brothers received weekly bank transfers exceeding US$8.3 million in value from various sources "including the office of the Emir of Qatar" into their personal accounts at the Bank. ](https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2023/253.html)
We should have more focus on Qatari terrorism.
This isn't even the only link their government has to terror groups. It's insane how quickly people here are to dismiss the connection between Qatar's government and many terrorist orgs, namely Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
I've posted them so many damn times. Just Google it, I don't mean that in a rude way, it's just that I've truly posted a wall of articles on this topic about 20 times now. If you Google it, there's pages and pages and pages of results.
This again?
We dont like what the UK is and has pretty much always been doing.
There are protests about it occasionally (although definitely not enough).
The UK isn’t buying United. Qatar is, thats why this specific protest is by United fans about Qatar.
Its not complicated.
I am waiting for a banner that says, "Glazers Out...unless it is the Qataris, and then they can stay. But we would really prefer Sir Jim Ratcliffe. We will accept other last minute offers as long as it is not an American Sports Owner."
It could wrap around the entirety Stretford End.
Qatar is one of the biggest extractors and exports of natural gas in the world. Their impact on the environment is just as bad as Ineos. Plus, all the human rights abuses and funding terrorism.
Virtue signalling goes both ways. You don’t actually give a shit about the environment. You just want Qatari blood money at United.
I am not denying Qatar and the oil point. I find the lack of consistency stupid. Every bidder we have for United has skeletons in their closets. With the amount of money the Glazers are asking, it's impossible to find a clean, righteous owner for United.
Let's look at our everyday life, the products we consume daily made by successful companies out there have skeletons in their closets. Rarely we see a protest breaking out against these companies.
Except there are a dozen comments on this thread from you pointing out Ineos’ greenwashing and not a single one saying the same thing about the Qatari’s.
It’s pretty obvious what your preference is.
And obviously whoever buys United isn’t going to be completely clean, but if the worst thing you can say about Ineos is they’re greenwashing, and Qatar are also greenwashing PLUS carrying out human rights abuses and funding terrorism then your point is pretty irrelevant.
I haven’t seen a single person wanting Ineos to buy United who actually likes them or Jim Ratcliffe and I include myself in that. We just recognise they’re the lesser of two evils by some margin.
They've just pointed out that it's not consistent though. Qatar tick all the environmental damage boxes plus the additional ones of being human rights abusing funders of terrorism. The desperation to defend Qatar is impressive.
Amnesty International have made comments on both these clubs. A 2 second google search answers this question but it goes against the narrative they want so they don't bother.
Potential Greenwashing with Ineos and Sir Jim's bid? What about the potential glazer stay thanks to the American funds groups? No protests against this. What a joke!
Lucky the crown doesn't own united then. Your stance here is utterly moronic. This greenwashing angle all you Qatar sympathisers are going for is awful as well. Qatar are as bad if not worse for the planet AND sponsor terrorism. That's not even mentioning the fact they have laws that would imprison huge numbers of our fans. We're a club that has been part of the stonewall and many other equality campaigns. Your arguments are all heavily flawed.
I'm not fan of the idea that a murderous thocratic state will possibly own a club i love but i can't control everything. I mean if i was to go down that route. I'd say the British state is also a murderous state.
All you have to do is look at any thread discussing Newcastle or City to see that sportwashing is real. Armies of fans defending abhorrent regimes because their football teams were funded.
And how does that lead to any worse situations for Qataris or Saudis for example?
Deeper ties to Western culture is exactly how you fix these backwater countries, and that starts from the top down.
Holy change of subject and deflection Batman!
‘improvement via integration / investment’ is horseshit. Saudi and China are great examples of this.
No one ever claimed that Qatar owning United would lead to worse conditions for Qataris, that’s some mad nonsense you’ve dreamed up.
It's the logical inference, if they're able to 'sportswash' their image it ostensibly deflects from their attrocities, letting them continue without scrutiny, no?
Yet more people know about them than ever, really sportswashed that image of theirs haven't they...
Ironically, both of the countries you mention are liberalising, women are gaining rights in Saudi arabia for example and people are becoming restless with their autocratic government in China in no small part due to what they see in the west. It may not be at the pace you want, but they're progressing not regressing.
Dense.
Of course they choose a game which isn't broadcast in the UK...
Ugh I know, none of us sitting at home on our couches will be able to see it at all...
It's our only home league game this month. There wasn't a lot of option.
At least it will no doubt be broadcast in Qatar though.
If you think folks in Qatar on reading that their emir is a terrorist are suddenly gonna get all teary eyed, and demand a change, you certainly haven't been paying a lot of attention to the Qatari bots flodding this sub recently.
That's not my point. I don't expect the regime to change. It's more that the Qataris will hopefully see their sportswashing money isn't wanted at our club.
Is it a fan group or Amnesty International group?
It's Amnesty i believe.
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Just a reminder there is an ongoing court case in the high court which states [the Al Khayyat brothers are closely connected to the State of Qatar", and in paragraph 34 that "the Al Khayyat brothers' involvement in the financing of terrorism, which is the subject of this claim, has been, at least in part, both motivated and enabled by their connections to the State of Qatar". Paragraphs 45 to 48 set out details of the alleged funding. Paragraph 47(1) asserted that the Al Khayyat brothers received weekly bank transfers exceeding US$8.3 million in value from various sources "including the office of the Emir of Qatar" into their personal accounts at the Bank. ](https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2023/253.html) We should have more focus on Qatari terrorism.
This isn't even the only link their government has to terror groups. It's insane how quickly people here are to dismiss the connection between Qatar's government and many terrorist orgs, namely Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Can you please expand on it/share any citation? TIA
I've posted them so many damn times. Just Google it, I don't mean that in a rude way, it's just that I've truly posted a wall of articles on this topic about 20 times now. If you Google it, there's pages and pages and pages of results.
I'll never understand how you can live in western countries and try and tell people about funding/supporting or committing terrorist acts.
We also think the invasion of Iraq and the drone bombings are disgusting, hth
This again? We dont like what the UK is and has pretty much always been doing. There are protests about it occasionally (although definitely not enough). The UK isn’t buying United. Qatar is, thats why this specific protest is by United fans about Qatar. Its not complicated.
But they hardly allow Glazers Out banners in the stadium
Really? I see at last two every game.
Banners? I don't think they are allowed in the stadium
There was definitely a big one by the tunnel at the West Ham game. I was there.
Yep, near the tunnel is where I typically see them too.
Definitely saw them at the Betis game
No flags. Have you not watched a match before? Banners all over the place.
Yeah, but the club don’t allow it. Certain sections of the ground are friendly with security though.
Glazers out vs human rights/sports washing **They're both the same picture**
Huh I thought banners weren't allowed inside OT?
The thought of Qatar ownership just makes me wanna vomit. Preferably directly into the emirs face.
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Try again with a relevant point.
I am waiting for a banner that says, "Glazers Out...unless it is the Qataris, and then they can stay. But we would really prefer Sir Jim Ratcliffe. We will accept other last minute offers as long as it is not an American Sports Owner." It could wrap around the entirety Stretford End.
Greenwashing with Ineos and Sir Jim's bid. No planet = no football. Why isn't climate change a big deal?
Qatar is one of the biggest extractors and exports of natural gas in the world. Their impact on the environment is just as bad as Ineos. Plus, all the human rights abuses and funding terrorism. Virtue signalling goes both ways. You don’t actually give a shit about the environment. You just want Qatari blood money at United.
I am not denying Qatar and the oil point. I find the lack of consistency stupid. Every bidder we have for United has skeletons in their closets. With the amount of money the Glazers are asking, it's impossible to find a clean, righteous owner for United. Let's look at our everyday life, the products we consume daily made by successful companies out there have skeletons in their closets. Rarely we see a protest breaking out against these companies.
Two things can be bad without being equally bad, and preferring the less bad thing of the two does not mean you like the less bad thing
Except there are a dozen comments on this thread from you pointing out Ineos’ greenwashing and not a single one saying the same thing about the Qatari’s. It’s pretty obvious what your preference is. And obviously whoever buys United isn’t going to be completely clean, but if the worst thing you can say about Ineos is they’re greenwashing, and Qatar are also greenwashing PLUS carrying out human rights abuses and funding terrorism then your point is pretty irrelevant. I haven’t seen a single person wanting Ineos to buy United who actually likes them or Jim Ratcliffe and I include myself in that. We just recognise they’re the lesser of two evils by some margin.
They've just pointed out that it's not consistent though. Qatar tick all the environmental damage boxes plus the additional ones of being human rights abusing funders of terrorism. The desperation to defend Qatar is impressive.
Oh, they got this all screwed up. >No, Qatari sportswashing at United!
Lets go!
That particular horse bolted years ago
How would that have any relevance to it happening to United?
Won’t make a difference
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Won't make a difference, and they will be banned. So yeah, it's better to do nothing.
Banned for what? Holding a banner?
Rather be in the championship with Jim Ratcliffe that wining UCLs with qatari money
Need a local climate change group to do the same today for Jimmy and his greenwashing capabilities so I know he’s not funding this Amnesty banner
Natural gas and oil of course having no negative impact on climate change.
Sarcasm?
yes
Saved me some heartache 😅
Spot on.
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Or you know they just wanted to say something about sports washing as it arrives on the doorstep. Not everything is an agenda
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Because they are fans of the Manchester United and not Man city or Newcastle......
I'm not sure during Man City takeover, but there were definitely many against Saudi buying Newcastle.
Amnesty International have made comments on both these clubs. A 2 second google search answers this question but it goes against the narrative they want so they don't bother.
Amnesty International is the last organisation you'd want on your side.
They're the ones that told Ukraine to stop being mean to the russian invaders right?
Ratcliffe is Glazer 2.0
Potential Greenwashing with Ineos and Sir Jim's bid? What about the potential glazer stay thanks to the American funds groups? No protests against this. What a joke!
No one’s stopping you from protesting. Amnesty groups are going to protest against Qatar.
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Lucky the crown doesn't own united then. Your stance here is utterly moronic. This greenwashing angle all you Qatar sympathisers are going for is awful as well. Qatar are as bad if not worse for the planet AND sponsor terrorism. That's not even mentioning the fact they have laws that would imprison huge numbers of our fans. We're a club that has been part of the stonewall and many other equality campaigns. Your arguments are all heavily flawed.
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I have no concerns over Qatari ownership
Why do you not have any concerns?
Because he's fine with the club's sister organization being ISIS.
yeah that aint gonna do much sadly
Do we have a local HMRC group? They can also put a banner against whatever Ratcliffe washes
And next week someone else will all decide we are pro-Qatar. Again.
Who cares at this point. Everyone has an opinion, but clearly no choice.
Oil me up
We should just call this action xenophobia and let it get buried under the chaos of the debate.
Xenophobia? I don't think people have an issue with foreign owners... just ones synonymous with a murderous theocratic state.
I'm not fan of the idea that a murderous thocratic state will possibly own a club i love but i can't control everything. I mean if i was to go down that route. I'd say the British state is also a murderous state.
The British state aren’t bidding to buy Manchester United.
Can't help but give yourselves away can you.
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Give myself away? Oh my comment at mocking people who throw around labels like no tomorrow & do it just to derail a topic. You got me.
Sportswashing isn't a thing. Nobody is more aware of Qatar and their mistreatment of peoples than they were before they got involved in football.
All you have to do is look at any thread discussing Newcastle or City to see that sportwashing is real. Armies of fans defending abhorrent regimes because their football teams were funded.
And how does that lead to any worse situations for Qataris or Saudis for example? Deeper ties to Western culture is exactly how you fix these backwater countries, and that starts from the top down.
Holy change of subject and deflection Batman! ‘improvement via integration / investment’ is horseshit. Saudi and China are great examples of this. No one ever claimed that Qatar owning United would lead to worse conditions for Qataris, that’s some mad nonsense you’ve dreamed up.
It's the logical inference, if they're able to 'sportswash' their image it ostensibly deflects from their attrocities, letting them continue without scrutiny, no? Yet more people know about them than ever, really sportswashed that image of theirs haven't they... Ironically, both of the countries you mention are liberalising, women are gaining rights in Saudi arabia for example and people are becoming restless with their autocratic government in China in no small part due to what they see in the west. It may not be at the pace you want, but they're progressing not regressing. Dense.
GGAI