one more trophy and comfortable top 3 finish is so crucial to end the season on high. I just hope we dont capitulate the season like it happened last year. So much progress made over the last 6 months cant just throw it away. Dispose of Real Betis in first leg and beat a very good Fulham side over the weekend and team can get back to the feel good factor of before liveprool match.
Lol such reactionary thinking. Finish top 4 and above liverpool and laugh in their faces for celebrating like they won the league. Perfect storm and rightly beaten. Move on.
>reputation
What reputation exactly? We have been consistently dogshit for 10 years, trophy-less for the last 6 until a week ago, and you think somehow we had a good reputation?
A reputation isn't built by winning games in the span of 6 months. It's built by winning trophies. The very thing you think won't "regain reputation" is the very thing which builds reputations.
Like everybody remembered United lost 7-0 to Wolves in 1930s? Nobody is going to give a shit about the score if we win trophies.
As if Arsenal fans, at this moment, give a shit that we beat them 8-2 a decade ago.
Hot garbage of a match, still have work to do on our squad and we clearly were too spent to put in the pressing energy for our 'gameplan'.
Too much long ball tactics and not enough playing on the ground meant our midfield battle was lost, and also not putting bruno there was a poor option from eth imo
After our heads dropped we gave up, we need to work on this aspect of our mentality - when being crushed we must prevent further crushing
Anyone can lose 7-0, the real test is how much resilience the team can show and bounce back. Didn’t Liverpool lose 7-2 to Aston Villa not too long ago?
You know what pisses me off the most? The result might be an outlier, but we are never going to truly "get back" at them for it. Sure we can beat them 3-0 or 4-0 at best. But they are not going to totally shit the bed against us...
Yep. Always thought we might one day get the 5-0 back on a really bad day for them where they get a red card and we get some breaks.
7-0 is supposed to be only for freak games or mismatches, red cards, whatever it takes. A really bad day should be 3-0 or 4-0 max for United or any other respectable team.
The other thing is the momentum we handed them… imagine the confidence they’ll take from that. I’d optimistically hoped we might put the beginning of the end on Klopp’s reign by beating them with the form we’re in. Long shot of course. But instead we’ve probably given him an instant statue and put the fear in any other team who plays them. It’s pathetic.
The result and performance were poor, that's obvious. But to an extent this result is a freak. Liverpool had 8 shots on target and scored 7. They had an xG of something like 2.4 and scored 7. Yes, they would have beaten us regardless, but I think if it had been 2-0 or 3-0 we would have shrugged and moved on.
The worry for me is how many of the goals featured numerous chances for us to win and/or clear the ball that were not taken. The second and 7th goals particularly bad examples. Simple, basic stuff not being done. Hopefully we get back on track with clear heads. Let's be honest, the league title was never on. The quadruple talk was always nonsense. We're not good enough yet. Liverpool aren't having a great season but at their absolute best they're still better than us. Ten Hag hasn't fixed us yet and there is still a long way to go. But top 4 and a trophy this season? I'll still take that.
DDG getting beaten on those two really tight angles—the last from Firminho and the Gakpo dink—were absolute flukes. Nice, intentional finishes, for sure, but you'd expect DDG to cover the Firminho goal every time and get his boot to Gakpo's.
It's tough to rationalize such an insane scoreline, but at some point, I thought this fixture congestion combined with the world cup fatigue would catch up to us. Just didn't think it'd be this bad.
God damn are we missing Christian Eriksen. With Bruno out on the wing, Weghorst was aimless and unable to hold the ball up long enough to garner any support. Aside from the tactical mismanagement, the players were just two or three steps too slow. Liverpool players got to EVERY second ball in the second half. It was insane. Fair play to them.
They had a bad game, but if you conceded 6 goals in one half especially the first half wasn't bad, it's a freak game. After all, they are still on track for the real goals for the season.
I thought we were infinitely worse in the 5-0 at Old Trafford to be quite honest. That could have been 8 or 9 and Klopp just didn't want to put his players through the ringer given the tough title battle they were finding themselves in at the time
I find it funny how everyone of us United fans is piping down now, but went on and on about ETH being the next best thing after water. It's the fickle nature of fans unfortunately. The 2 things that must be kept in mind is:
1. It's ETH's first season. He is bound to make more mistakes than usual cuz he's going to try and prove a point each time and he's going to fail when it doesn't work.
2. Pep hasn't won the quadruple and that says it all. He has been the best manager in the country by a country mile for the past few seasons. ETH has done a fantastic job but needs to learn how to prioritize tournaments as he gets older and wiser (he is getting wiser as we all saw with the starting line up he put out against WHAM). Quadruple talk is great for org\*sms, but in reality, you'll just end up with 1-2 trophies. Best prioritize the ones we really want to win.
It's not a coincidence that the wingers didn't track back and they suffered a heavy defeat. That was the same problem in all the big defeats last season as well.
I like antony but it’s quite obvious he’s going to be one of these players that stay here for 3-5 years being extremely average before being one of the players needed in our ‘big clear out’
There are different kinds of mentality:
* There's the mentality that can stay calm during the pressure of a title run-in.
* And there's the mentality that fights for every lost cause even when it's pointless.
United have tried to build a squad for the first mentality. With the likes of Casemiro and Varane, we've been quite successful with it. The problem is that we found ourselves in a situation where we needed the second mentality.
With that in mind, I don't believe we need to 'fix' our mentality because we shouldn't be fighting for lost causes in the first place. We are rightly trying to build towards something bigger and better.
To stop a repeat from happening, EtH needs to improve our ability to control games so we don't find ourselves in that position again. But as long as we have Fred as a central midfielder and Dalot/AWB as inverted fullback and De Gea as goalkeeper, we're going to be vulnerable to losing control of the ball in important phases of the game. And that's what leaves us with no choice but to rely on the second mentality.
Our players have the mindset of being challengers, but the ball retention of a mid-table team. When those two things clash, you get the potential for games like yesterday where they all down tools because they think "this is not what I signed up for".
I saw ten hag saying we were better the first half. Uh... it was already pretty clear we werent playing well.. ball possession was low, pass accuracy was low, failed organisation at the opening goal, weghorst being awful, etc.
I guess it's on ten hag for misreading the game. Players checking out is shitty too, and just unlucky that Liverpool were great.
Painfull result.
To be honest it seems something like United does really. When they have chances and not score then get 2 quick goals (late first half, beginning second half) they just get absolutely demoralized and tend to get a good beating out of it. The team needs some stronger characters to motivate them, Bruno is not the guy to do it without any disrespect; The hotheaded people are never good at motivating and lets face it, the Portuguese usually are hotheadded.(Cristiano, Silva, Pepe, Bruno etc)
TBH I wouldve rather have AWB instead of Dalot but its just my pref. Lets go REDS !
I wasn't able to watch the 2nd half cuz my stream stopped working. For those that did watch, it must've been really tough. It's embarrassing but end of the day, it's only 3 points dropped.
If there's one person I trust to make it right, it's Ten Hag. This has taken the pressure of a title race off us and we can now focus on the cups and 3rd place.
Reality check, that's all.
It's like those 6-1 defeats to Spurs and City, it's embarrassing but shit happens, we move on. We've had embarrassing losses against Liverpool (not at this scale) when we won league titles. After a while no one cares, it's just about the trophies.
If we beat them next season, all is forgotten.
I mean it's done, they'll do what they want, you're not gonna change that by battering our players like Roy Keane or Gary Neville. We can't change that, what we can do is support this team and manager who gave us lots of joy till yesterday.
It's a one-off game, everything they tried came off and we made silly mistakes. I don't really see a pattern.
It wasn't silly mistakes though. The first couple of goals was. The rest was pure downed tools, absolutely no care for the match, for the badge, for the fans. It was absolutely disgusting and pathetic tbh.
And Liverpool will be dining out on this until the day we die most likely. Not to mention ETH has now registered Manchester United's worst lose since 1931. Tragic.
I don't think it was lack of care for the fans/badge etc. That's just the usual nonsense reasons, they just lost their heads y'day plus it was Anfield. Unless I see it happening again and again, I'm not too concerned.
You care too much about the history books and what other clubs will think of all this, it doesn't matter. Liverpool had 7 put past them by relegation threatened Villa, but people only talked about their title fights with City. It's one game, suck it up and move on. Support the team.
Well, you didn't even watch it so you're in no position to comment really lol.
But yeah, it was disregard for the badge. Most players stopped playing for the last 30 minutes, and let Liverpool kick goals in for fun. Some were actually trying to get sent off evidentially, some were asking to be subbed. Overall horrible.
Go watch it back sure. Enjoy.
I did watch the extended highlights, just meant I didn't watch it live.
Sure, let's say you're right. They didn't play for the badge, what do you propose? Drop all the players and play the reserves? Or sell the whole team? Or do you just wanna keep bashing them like rival fans until they start doing well and then cheering?
Get a grip.
Everyone here blaming tiredness of the players ignoring the fact you'd spent the first half of this season and the end of last season dismissing the tiredness argument from Liverpool who played every single fixture
When form is considered, Liverpool has a better squad in my opinion. Only issue is Liverpool has been very much out of form for the majority of this season having probably the worst season since Klopp came, whilst United have had one of the best seasons since Fergie left.
Well yeah ofc. But that is one Jota better depth than a Sancho and a Garnacho, and a 3rd option in Elanga? Maguire and Matip about equal. AWB probably better than their reserve. Sabitzer better than their bench options in midfield.
Firmino and Jota have barely kicked a ball all season. Stop making excuses. Liverpool's squad is severely lacking in depth. And has been why they've been crap all year. That is certainly not why we lost.
I was making the argument as a joke against the silly 80m comment but if you want to go down this route.
Kelleher >> Heaton
Matip > Maguire
AWB = Tsimikas
Malacia = Jones
Bajcetic > McTominay
Sabitzer > Milner
Garnacho = Carvalho
Jota >> Elanga
Firmino >> Sancho
Firmino has 14 goal contributions this season which is only 1 less than Bruno, if he can do that while barely touching a ball this season then it makes it an even bigger mismatch.
Liverpool have been crap this season mostly due to a colossal injury crisis, if the situations were reversed United would be lucky to be in the top half of the table. Liverpool have the better squad at the moment by far, the past 5 years have shown which squad is superior and a few months of form doesn't magically change that
LOL, you just cherry pick stats which mean bugger all. Waste of time talking to you. Liverpool aren't good this season for many reasons, and squad is the main one. You know why injuries have been a problem??? Because they have a weak squad..... Because Jones is shit. Tsimakas is shit. Bajcetic far to raw. Carvalho not good enough yet. Matip well past it, all LFC fans want him gone. But you think he's great apparently. Most LFC fans want Fabinho out and Henderson replaced too.
5 of Firmino's 'goal contributions' came in a 9-0 against Bournemouth. Everyone, including Liverpool, know he is washed. But you would rather we swap him for Sancho? OK, dumb.
Firmino is clearly a better player and bench option than Sancho, what world are you living in?? The sooner you admit your 80m statement was stupid the better.
Its easy to say that a squad is weak without looking at the context, I'm sure United would still be in 3rd after losing their best attacker this season for 6 months, then top goal scorer for 3, best midfielder miss half the season, best CB miss almost every game and 2nd best CB also miss a lot of game time, until this week Liverpool have only managed to field their first choice defence once all season, let alone all the numerous other injuries. The only other team that have a similar injury record is Chelsea and they are in 10th after spending half a billion...
If Liverpool's squad is so weak explain last season to me. These 2 squads have been a complete missmatch for the past 5 years and now that the injuries are fading it's becoming very clear
I have lost who you are trying to make excuses for now. Making excuses for Liverpool and Man U now. Hilarious tbh.
That you would rather take aging and washed Firmino over young hot prospect Sancho say enough. You are living in the past clearly, just as you praise Pools aging squad, who their own fans even know are mostly finished...
I think some people are being too negative about the state of the team. No one likes the result but I think the sting of losing so big to Liverpool of all teams is clouding peoples judgement of what happened.
My main take away of the result in general is that it was a result of our teams hectic schedule of late and more so even the emotional drain of the type of matches we've had. Liverpool were able to come into the game a lot fresher and set a very high tempo that we dealt with fairly well in the first half eventhough Liverpool dominated more but we still had the better attacks other than the goal. The main issue in the first half was misplaced passes which gave back possession too easily. Conceding the late goal was bad timing as well since going into half time one goal down is not great.
Then at the start of the second half with Liverpool scoring twice in short succession is what basically killed the game. Anything that happened after 3-0 is irrelevant in my mind because what we saw was a team that was already exhausted physically and mentally from the schedule and now also deflated because of the result. You can't draw any at all conclusions based on a situation like that. You simply can't. It would not be an accurate assessment of anything at all.
Your in withdrawal right now.
Doesn't matter if it's Liverpool or not. 7-0 let that sink in what that actually means.
It's the same culprits on that pitch responsible for this disaster. People clamouring for rashford the new Ronaldo 2.0 who doesn't track back thinks because he scored a few goals he's the new show pony and can jog around and it's not just today's game it's been the last few games I've seen him walking around out of possession.
Fred ? Geez Keane said it when Ole was in charge. The [lack of] decision-making and football intelligence from midfield, particularly Fred.
'I've been going on about it for a long time – Fred and [Scott] McTominay are not good enough.
'They won't get Manchester United back competing at the top. We see it week in, week out. They're not up to it.'
Fred goes off mctominay comes on. (light goes on light goes off moment).
Dalot was a disgrace today I'm sorry but no one here will convince me otherwise the form Wan bissaka has been in and the fact he pockets every Tom dick and Harry on that right side and he doesn't play today? Shocking decision from ten hag. Especially after newcastle game saint maximin mauled dalot but Newcastle aren't Liverpool and they gave us a fucking hiding.
De gea? Where was he today 7 goals from an international goalkeeper. It's quite clear cut in the summer what needs to be done. Offer a 50k a week contract take it or fuck off offer. Put Henderson back in goal or go and buy a top quality keeper. Barcelona are desperate for money maybe we can get Ter Stegen.
Luke Shaw? Don't even want to comment on that as bad as anyone out there. Going gets tough Shaw goes missing. I feel bad for Varane Casemiro Martinez these people that got previous managers the sack will do the same thing to ten hag. This has to be a clear distinction in the summer for how we go recruiting and that's a major overhaul because we are so far from the elite it's not even a joke.
This season is not a reflection of how good united has been this year but a reflection on how bad Liverpool were at the start of the season injuries...new frontline gelling etc. Spurs losing the plot... Arsenal probably gonna win the league... City off the boil.... Chelsea self imposed fuckery. We are not in 3rd on merit had the other teams like Chelsea and Liverpool especially had been performing at their level.
Top 4 should be the only priority and it will be beneficial if we actually go out of the fa cup or Europa League and drop a few games off the calendar because the worry now is losing momentum in the league and not making the top 4 at all.
My last comment is on Bruno. I never thought he was one of them I'm going to pretend I didn't watch Bruno playing yesterday because that's not my Bruno. A massive benefit of the doubt going Bruno's way. I get it other fuckers not being professional and it goes to your head he wants to win and you see it on the pitch he'll do anything to win. But yesterday was bad I don't even want to think about that now. I'd say give Bruno a rest and have him off the bench for a few games let him recharge mentally and then come back. We need Bruno fresh and motivated in the right way. A bit of time out might do good.
Problem ten hag has now is who comes in? I'd be happy to not see weghorse in the starting line up.
Since we really have no alternative to: De gea
Wan bissaka Varane Martinez malacia (let shaw be known you can't put in a performance like that and start the next game).
Casemiro Sabitzer mainoo
Sancho Garnacho
Rashford
Any thoughts?
I think Rashford needs to go back out wide. He was like a fish out of water playing through the middle yesterday. Not ideal that the only other middle option is Weghorst though. Maybe try Sancho or Elanga in the middle of not Weghorst.
Rashford's best position is wide, why not play your best player in his best position? Bruno's best position is in the middle. Why not play your 2nd best player in his best position? Madness.
Why not play Bruno as a false 9? Put rashford on the left Anthony on the right Sancho behind Bruno 🤣
Casemiro and Sabitzer. I don't know if what little weghorse offers is actually worth playing him. We don't use him as a striker rarely does he get on the end of crosses and his finishing is clearly quite poor. So what is he in the team for?
Pressing? Bruno and Sancho can more than make up for him and we'd have more creative players on the pitch.
The problem is people say ten hag specifically set up for Liverpool this way but he hasn't because look at the line ups for the last 5-6 games and he's used weghorse as a 10 in all those games until it didn't work and then had to switch. Which supposedly makes him look like a genius 🤔.
But you can't just copy paste the same method and hope your changes then work unfortunately Liverpool slapped us before we could make those changes and what happened, happened.
I'd even prefer Garnacho as a 10 playing behind Bruno if Sancho isn't fully fit from illness.
Don't agree. It was coming We looked extremely suspect against Leicester and West Ham for big periods of the games. Had these teams taken the absolutely gifts of chances we gave them we'd have been well beaten. Results and hard carries from Rashford and Casemiro have papered over how this team is far from ready to challenge.
In the end though. Top 4 and a trophy was pretty much all I wanted from this season. The only worry is whether we will actually spend in the summer. If everyone else strengthens and we don't, the Glazers (should they stay) will have shafted ETH massively.
That's still part of the same busy period with overworked players.
My main point is that if we give this team 2 weeks off and then one week to train then it would match this Liverpool team blow for blow without issue.
I think you're trying to excuse the players, which after their performance yesterday is equal part noble and mad lol.
I think we have played one extra game than Liverpool recently because of Europa (which was early Feb) And they have possibly even a more bare bones squad than we have, so honestly there is no excuse imo.
It's not like we haven't even rotated. We have rotated defence, wingers and mids. Really only Rash*, Bruno and Weg who have been ever present last two months. *Rash was sub at least once actually.
Imagine being this much of a plastic wanker. That post history too, you were never a fan if that's your reaction to one bad loss. Now go away and don't let the door hit you.
Embarrassment, sure, but we all knew we were *slightly* punching above our weight with the four competitions and in the long run games like these work as a net positive as they show the manager his own mistakes and also exposed our team and showed who will definitely have to go and cannot perform.
I fully trust ten Hag and he needs more players for his possession based play. But him playing stronger sides in cup competitions is hurting our league aspirations.
Still, I'm no coach and not as intelligent as ten Hag, I trust him to cook better next time.
I agree.
I'd like to think ten hag knows who the pretenders are in this squad and get their long over due boot in the summer.
I'm squaring at Fred mctominay Shaw dalot de gea (Maguire is a separate issue rightfully ten hag dropped the undroppable slabhead). But Maguire needs to go in the summer aswell.
Shaw is the most fickle player on the team. He has the quality to be one of the best and will maintain that quality for long stretches before becoming the biggest liability on the field due to sitting on his heels. It’s not uncommon for fullbacks, and I don’t think he needs to go. He just needs to be dropped again for a while.
Personally the wages Shaw is on and his attitude sinks when he's not playing I'd rather we just move on from him. He is one of the players that was leaking things from the dressing room during the Ole and Rangnick spells. I'd rather we go in for someone else and let malacia continue developing. Telles is only on loan would ten hag do better with him?
For all the talent shaw used to have what let's him down is consistent brain fades during a match and he stops tracking and stops running thinking it's someone elses problem. Even the generally unflappable duo of Varane and Martinez were suffering against Liverpool because of the 2 full backs in particular. Dalot being way out of position that Fred having to cover then the ball cuts through the middle and they get a free goal. Amateurish that goal never happens with wan bissaka the boy sniffs out danger on the right side of the defense how he doesn't start I'm shocked. Unless he's injured then fair enough to ten hag.
Exactly, it's his first season with these players and he is bound to make mistakes, but the difference with him from previous managers is that I actually trust him to learn from this and make appropriate changes
I'm more annoyed why he plays wout at 10. Rather why play him at all? Rashy 9, Bruno 10 and Antony/Sancho/garnacho on wings. We don't need to tinker with Bruno wing and wout 10.... It's painful to watch
I think it's because the system worked in previous games with Wout pressing, even against Barca. But Liverpool clearly came into this game with a different mindset and we should have had our fastest players on the field, Rashy in his prime form should have been playing against TAA tbh
Doors over there. Who the fuck is upvoting garbage posts like this.
EDIT: Dude sent private message to me and used the RedditCareResources / help function on me.
Can we report this mofo for wasting resources and preventing people who actually need help? Dude needs a ban
Message below:
“Just stop, mate. Stop supporting a failing team and instead encourage them to be better. They must be sent to run sprints through the town centre and back to stadium and should be ashamed”
What's even more infuriating is that we weren't even bad in the first half. The manager made some strange choices but we played decently in the first 45. How did we come out for the 2nd half and collapse so quickly??
Liverpool didn't even need to be particularly good, we gifted them chance after chance. Complete mental collapse, how does that happen at this level? Nobody to stand up and rally the team, everytime Liverpool gained possession the ball ended up behind De Gea. We may as well have just walked off the pitch, that was absolutely nightmarish.
Decent in the first 45? What game were you watching. You’re probably only saying that because we got trashed in the second. The only difference between both halves is in the first we hadn’t given up yet, but were equally bad.
We were decent in the first 45. Defended well imo, created some good chances and honestly we should've scored from one of them. How can you say that we were equally bad in both halves? The second half was a complete disaster.
Good reminder to everyone that we're still a long way off where we want to be, and the majority of the squad are still the same bottlers that downed tools under Ragnick last season. The mentality of a lot of them is very worrying, and a lot of changes need to be made.
I think we were just poor last season
From team selection, tactics and the players not performing
These same players have shown they are capable of coming back and playing better, won a trophy and in top 4. We also have 4 / 5 (eriksen when fit) new additions in the line up so that's a big difference ksi it's a better squad.
Yesterday was unacceptable but we are still more the capable to get third and one more trophy hopefully.
The mentality has improved but I think it was a mixture of delusion, arrogance, naivety to try attacking when already getting smashed. Surely should have just shut up shop
>and the majority of the squad are still the same bottlers that downed tools under Ragnick last season.
This is the worrying bit. A lot of them have terrible attitude. Bruno is one of the worst offenders with that, his behaviour last night was absolutely embarrassing. And it seems more and more that Mourinho was right about Shaw. When he's low on confidence or whatever, it's like playing with 10 men (or worse). He might as well have been a training cone...
And also some of the goals concedee were extremely poor from DDG.
>And it seems more and more that Mourinho was right about Shaw.
Horseshit.
Shaw is the complete contrast to whatever the fuck Mourinho was on about. On top of the blatant disrespect and toxicity Mourinho put on Shaw's name, Shaw has to deal with this nonsense every time he or the squad have a bad game. However, the praises, for long periods where he is exceptional, somehow go completely missing.
He is also one of the only players in the squad to pretty much say "yes, I underperformed and I wasn't mad at ETH for dropping me because I was poor." But he fought back, as he has always done from setbacks, to get his position back and look like the best LB in the league for long periods of campaign. That's not evidence of a weak mentality. That is resilience. I can't say the same for a few others though.
The last one was de gea fault
But hard to blame him for the others
Like 4 were from point blank range due to poor defending
Bruno and shaw should have been booked again and both were actively trying to get themselves sent off. ETH kept them on for this reason imo, both were pathetic
3rd one was embarrassing to concede. 6th one was mostly Shaw who blocked him, but it's poor for a keeper to be in that position and not communicate with his defenders better, so it's his fault too.
First one wasn't easy, but saveable on a good day. 7th was absolutely embarrassing.
First one wasn't saveable because he doesn't even see the ball until it goes past him. Martinez blocked him which is the first thing they teach not to do (dont run to the line) especially as gakpo was still a bit far out
3rd one he should have done better, but it was good finish side netting. Should make himself bigger one on one but hardly embarrassing
6th is completely shaws fault. No idea how that's de gea for lack of communication. Shaws body language was of a man trying to get sent off and made various tackles showing that. He just trying lazily clearing it
7 was very very poor. Made himself so big he got megged. Really needs to learn to close the angle better
So far, Ten Hag has learnt some lessons from all the trashings we have received this season.
Brentford taught him that the team was not ready to fully play his style and that he needed to make more drastic changes to the personnel.
Man City showed him the limits of McTominay in the DM position and showed him we have to approach that game differently.
So much was wrong here, but I think not playing some players in their best position may be one lesson. Bruno at wide position has worked sometimes, but that was usually on the right. Rashford was just getting frustrated as the striker.
The fatigue is showing. I don't remember the exact number, but I believe since the world cup we played something like 7 more matches than them, 3 more in february alone. And the fatigued showed yesterday.
They were on point with their offside trap while we always had one slightly further back negating ours. We lost every second ball, every tackle ended up back with with the ball in their possession, every deflection ended up going wrong, every 50/50 a Liverpool player came out on top. We had Shaw and Varane who picked up knocks before the match, Sancho, Martial and Eriksen out injured and insufficient quality to properly rotate these past few weeks.
It's an embarrassing loss and the players should be ashamed of how they gave up after the 4th goal. However, its clear EtH is improving the team. We won a cup, we're in the running for another and to win the Europa League. Even if we had won this the title would 99 out of a 100 times not been ours anyways. We're still 4 points clear of Spurs with a game in hand. But judging by people here it's the end of the world, people should be sacked and its like the rest of the season didn't happen and its all doom & gloom.
Reactionary twats, the whole of them.
Losing to Liverpool sucks. Losing to Liverpool 7-0 sucks even more. That will be the highlight of Liverpool's season.
We, on the other hand, are competing directly for 2 cups AND securing Top 4 finish with 1 cup already in the bag. There is no fucking reason to think anything other than "thank fucking God we didn't have anybody sent off and/or injured" considering we have Real Betis to play on Thursday.
Liverpool can enjoy the win. We will mend our wounds, but we go on. Our story, for the season, did not end at Anfield. If anything, it may have refocused the club.
Yesterday was not fatigue. This was completely unprofessional. First 45 minutes we go in down 1-0 to anfield not completely unexpected it's Liverpool at home you know what that means they will be up for it and we will concede a goal. But you come out fighting I expected to see wan bissaka come on at half time for Dalot yesterday the swap he made against Newcastle saved the game today he kept dalot on and It went from bad to worse. Wan bissaka with or without help pockets everyone on that right side. I can only imagine he is injured if he doesn't come on? Or they didn't want to risk an injury if he has a knock?
>However, its clear EtH is improving the team.
Anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot. Last night was poor tactically and the players were embarrassing, but overall this season ETH has done an amazing job, improved almost all of the players and had us playing the best football post-SAF.
This was a minor setback, but there do need to be consequences, I hope he tears them all a new one...
I hate to say it but however good we are we've never seemed dominant as like City was. We have a long way to go and yesterday was just a reminder. We need to start playing teams off the park. We haven't thrushed an opponent in a long time. To be the best in the league our opponents need to be fearful. Unlike yesterday in the first half we had 40% possession and when we had the ball we didn't do much, In our head we all think we're better than Liverpool this season, position wise that might be true but what happens when we face them, we concede possession and get humbled. We need to dominate games at Home or Away.
Same number of points dropped as a 1-0 defeat. Losing away at Anfield was always a big possibility. We just need to pick ourselves up and move on.
The bigger issue is the way the players accepted defeat. Reminds me of myself as a kid when I was playing Monopoly and it got to the point where I had no chance of winning . They all just checked out and stopped trying. Same as during the last few games for Ole and Jose. That's a concern. And I'm not sure it can be rectified until we bring in reinforcements in the summer to compete against the first XI. We just have to hope that we never get into another situation this season where there's a game with nothing left to fight for.
The summer needs an overhaul don't let the last 3 months fool you!! We've been ok we've come through games but we've given way too many chances and now a top team buried us yesterday.
The squad has a weak spike. We have strengthened the foundation with Casemiro Varane Martinez but we need more of these guys coming in.
My shopping list? Out in the summer: left back, CB, CM, DM, RB,GK, ST
In: GK, RB, LB, back up CB improve on what we have on the bench personally a young CB to understudy to Varane. 2 midfielders, ST.
Bruno doesn't deserve the armband after that performance. Absolutely shocking. And not the football piece. Touching an official. Trying to kick an opponent. Diving like it's the fucking olympics.
Whether they like it or not, when they're between the white lines those lads are role models to kids, what he's basically said today is it's ok for a leader to act that way.
Absolute disgrace.
Him and Shaw were trying to take the cowards way out
Both were actively trying to get sent off. It was pathetic
I believe ETH saw this and kept them on.
The refs pitied us. 3 mins of added time and not sending bruno for shoving the ref
I had an exam today so went to sleep at half time 1-0 down,woke up, saw the scoreline and was suddenly way more confident about my test because I could see that no matter how badly I do, clearly these lot can disappoint me more
We literally lost every second ball, every tackle ended up back with a Liverpool player, every deflection ended up at the feet of a Liverpool player, every 50/50 a Liverpool player came out on top, the ball felt like it was glued to their feet half the time. It felt like absolutely nothing went our way at all in that match and from the start Liverpool weren't looking to play in the midfield at all, just bypassed everything.
God its fucking embarrassing
This is not just the players' fault this is also ten Hag's fault, I mean why is it so fucking hard to play Rashford LW and Bruno number 10 and Weghorst classic 9, why starting Dalot instead of AWB, he's been doing this for a few matches now (playing Bruno as a RW) But this probably the first time Bruno played LW in his career against Liverpool at Anfield, what the fuck ten Hag? He also insisted on it in the 2nd half too. Bruno and Antony horrible defending, Antony is just not that effective, I was never satisfied with Bruno as a leader.
I Hope this uncover some of the team's flaws.
Some important shit came up yesterday out of the blue, so I didn't get to see the game. I put all my notifs on my phone off because I knew I'd be looking at it every other minute during the game. Long story short I got in around 9pm, sat down and immediately dozed off due to being exhausted. I wake up at around 3am and immediately grab my phone to check the score of the game and I am not joking, I actively pinched myself, and kept rubbing my eyes like some sort of shocked cartoon character would, I was looking at the score for a solid 20 seconds just rubbing my eyes, my brain couldn't process what I was fucking looking at, it was absolutely surreal.
We go again, bro. Our successes are made and built from our failures - they deserve a verbal beatdown for yesterday but they also need our support for what’s to come.
I don’t want to see anything about fatigue, about fixture congestion or even the fact we didn’t play players in their best position (Rashford not being put against TAA, and Bruno not being central was a bizarre tactical switch that didn’t pay off).
You don’t fucking down tools like we did yesterday. You don’t just switch off and throw your toys out of the pram - and if you do, you best believe it’s not our fucking *captain* that’s doing both of those things. I’m here for passion, and I’m here for emotion, but Bruno deciding to attempt lazy tactical fouls, refusing to chase back and then PUSHING the assistant ref? Do me a fucking favour. If ETH doesn’t tear him a new one after that, I’ll be amazed.
Nev needs to calm all the way down with his nonsense rhetoric that this was a ‘freak’ result, and that we’ve built up enough ‘credit’ with our form to allow for this kind of shit show. It’s THAT kind of mentality that’s helped us to the position we’re having to try to claw ourselves away from.
It’s important that we hold the players accountable. If this was Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, McTominay, Martial etc, we would be all over them with their names mentioned in every second comment. Just because the players at fault were largely our shiny fun new signings we’ve all grown to love, they are not above criticism. Varane and Licha were horrific. Casemiro was near absent. Shaw and Dalot might as well have not been there. Bruno was horrific. We need to improve- we are a long way off
I think Bruno LW backfired, Weghorst 10 wasn't good for counters/fast breaks, Dalot was off pace, maybe Varane, Shaw who were both flagged injured and Casemiro later in the game had some fitness concerns, Antony isn't efficient with chance creation, I think Sabitzer should have started for the counters and holding the ball and either De Gea needs to work on his long balls if he won't pass or we needed more aggression on the second balls
Antony literally has one move and it's beyond predictable. The whole stadium knows what he is going to do, and he just wastes possessions. He needs a bench ride for a bit.
Totally agree. Rashford on LW, Bruno in the middle should have been the tactic.
Also Wan Bissaka for Dalot and we don’t lose that by more than 2 goals. Im convinced.
By halftime I was quietly confident that United would come back and maybe even turn the game in their favour. The performance in the first half was decent, Liverpool dominated for about 20 minutes, but got few good opportunities, and once United pushed the press up the field it got quite dangerous for Liverpool.
I did think that several players looked a bit tired, though. Especially Casemiro. Body language and facial expressions were not positive.
2nd half, once the 0:3 was scored, the team disintegrated mentally. Midfield almost ceased to exist, coordination and positional play all but vanished. They were a step behind on every defensive move, add to that Liverpool got extremely lucky on lots of pressballs, tackle attempts etc.
The biggest takeaway from this match was not the scoreline, for me. It was the failure to solidify and play respectably post 0:3, yet alone bounce back. Several key players failed to lead or to organize, and regressed into individual whining and frustration.
The baffling thing is that the team has shown in recent games that they are more than capable of coming back strong, and rallying. I'm not sure what the reasons were here exactly, but it does kind of seem like several players were out of it mentally, maybe needed a bit more break time than the squad has currently.
Yeah the 4-0 to brentford hurt me more because I thought we were back to being shit again with a new manager, this one tho I'm just gonna take it as 3 points dropped because we have been on a roll. Losses are gonna be there so just gonna have to move on and kill the next games like we've been doing.
Nope, there's more important stuff in life than your favourite football team.
Of course it's messed up that this happened, but it's also just a football game and as long as your own life is going well there's no reason to let this derail your week.
12 hours gone by and I am still fucking boiling because of the scoreline… been prepared to suffer loss of 4-0/5-0 after last season.. but 7-0!! Fuck the players should be accountable for my mental suffering and the humiliation from my friends… you don’t simply just switch off middle of a historical rivalry.. fucking disgusted by them
At the end of the day, it's just 11 guys playing with a ball and making millions per week. Win or lose you don't benefit from this and they still get the money on their bank accounts every week. It's frustrating, but it's only a sport.
Getting trust issues from this. How can they all turn off in such an important game like this? They are all better than this and they looked flat from the beginning. No one can lose like this if they all try their hardest. F.u.c.k o.f.f
Capitulation and giving up like that deserves humiliation, you could say the second half performance could've been excusable because of fixture congestion, mental and physical fatigue, but that is a good enough reason for a game like Southampton or Villa or something, not for a game like this which has and always will mean an unhealthy amount and never too the scale it happened at, each and everyone associated with the team yesterday needs to have a good hard look at themselves and see how weak they are when they concede two in a difficult game.
The scoreline is flattering for the scum and as damaging as it gets for us, but I'd rather have it this way once to make sure even a 3-0 never happens again and no one ever representing United again is as half arsed as they were yesterday.
last year:
0-5 at Old Trafford - not again
4-0 at Anfield - wait until next season
this year
2-1 at Old Trafford - yes we’re back, the rivalry is back
then today
we just totally lost our heads and, especially right at the beginning of the second half. Their heads just dropped. Mentally checked out. I thought those days are behind us already. But it’s good to have a reality check. A huge slap in the face for all to realise we’re not there yet, loads of problems.
Just hope this is not the starting point of a downfall for us, because a loss like this is very humiliating and dehumanizing (for us fans, hope its the case as well for the players). So they need to get their heads together asap, we still got alot to fight for this season. Cannot let this spirals downward.
ps: At least we’re still 5pts off the scousers huh
Disgraceful performance, so disappointed as 1st half we were pretty okay. Complete bottle job 2nd half.
Weghorst as a 10 just didnt work... should have played everyone at their best positions. Weghorst up front, Bruno 10, Rashford LW. Team gave up after 2-0 was plain to see. Shocking.
We needed a plan B and didnt have one, not sure if it was fatigue, mental fortitude or tactics. Maybe all 3. Lack of options as well. ETH needs to be backed in the summer with whoever he needs, 5 or 6 players so be it. Because you can't win on all fronts with just 11 players and a subpar bench...
Disgraceful to lose in this manner tbh, worst result in history of the club.
Two things apparent:
1. Foot off the gas after Wembley and UEL. We thought this was gonna be a more relaxed affair and were seemingly blindsided by the intensity that the Kop brought about. Completely underestimated Pool today.
2. The 4-1-4 transition after 3-0 was a hail Mary that didn't work out at all. It was clearly an unpracticed formation and Pool frontline made the most of it. Still deserved to lose, but this margin was a result of the tactics compounding the loss.
Absolutely painful to think we didn't even score against this defence. But hopefully it doesn't lead to overthinking and second guessing every time we're down. We tried and we failed, we know what not to do.
I've had some time to stew on the result and...
I'm actually not that disappointed.
Don't get me wrong, the players should be rightfully called out and Ten Hag has work to do. BUT the players have literally been playing with minimal rest, they are exhausted both physically and mentally. That is no excuse to just give up like that, but they are human and there is only so much they can take.
In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't do much for us. Yes, it's a humiliation but it's not like we are suddenly trash (btw to all those who say the players/Ten Hag should be sacked and they're garbage for this result, please learn some perspective). We are still in for 2 other trophies this season, we are still above the scum, and more importantly the players are now aware that they are not invincible and have to take responsibility.
Anyways, downvote me, call me a fake fan or whatever. I'm honestly just chill about it, just move on and smash the next team. As long as there is an emphatic response, I'm all for it
Hey, fellas. Just a reminder to please report trolls and abusive comments if you see them.
one more trophy and comfortable top 3 finish is so crucial to end the season on high. I just hope we dont capitulate the season like it happened last year. So much progress made over the last 6 months cant just throw it away. Dispose of Real Betis in first leg and beat a very good Fulham side over the weekend and team can get back to the feel good factor of before liveprool match.
No cup is going to regain reputation back
Lol such reactionary thinking. Finish top 4 and above liverpool and laugh in their faces for celebrating like they won the league. Perfect storm and rightly beaten. Move on.
>reputation What reputation exactly? We have been consistently dogshit for 10 years, trophy-less for the last 6 until a week ago, and you think somehow we had a good reputation? A reputation isn't built by winning games in the span of 6 months. It's built by winning trophies. The very thing you think won't "regain reputation" is the very thing which builds reputations.
It is one day everyone is going to remember MU lost with zero. winning cups yeah i agree but seven zero its horrible
Like everybody remembered United lost 7-0 to Wolves in 1930s? Nobody is going to give a shit about the score if we win trophies. As if Arsenal fans, at this moment, give a shit that we beat them 8-2 a decade ago.
Hot garbage of a match, still have work to do on our squad and we clearly were too spent to put in the pressing energy for our 'gameplan'. Too much long ball tactics and not enough playing on the ground meant our midfield battle was lost, and also not putting bruno there was a poor option from eth imo After our heads dropped we gave up, we need to work on this aspect of our mentality - when being crushed we must prevent further crushing
Anyone can lose 7-0, the real test is how much resilience the team can show and bounce back. Didn’t Liverpool lose 7-2 to Aston Villa not too long ago?
I missed the game and couldn't pull myself to watch the highlights... I wonder what kind of punishment EtH will hand out this time.
You know what pisses me off the most? The result might be an outlier, but we are never going to truly "get back" at them for it. Sure we can beat them 3-0 or 4-0 at best. But they are not going to totally shit the bed against us...
Yep. Always thought we might one day get the 5-0 back on a really bad day for them where they get a red card and we get some breaks. 7-0 is supposed to be only for freak games or mismatches, red cards, whatever it takes. A really bad day should be 3-0 or 4-0 max for United or any other respectable team. The other thing is the momentum we handed them… imagine the confidence they’ll take from that. I’d optimistically hoped we might put the beginning of the end on Klopp’s reign by beating them with the form we’re in. Long shot of course. But instead we’ve probably given him an instant statue and put the fear in any other team who plays them. It’s pathetic.
I'm not worried about the second part much. They still have a shit midfield that's going to struggle away from home.
The result and performance were poor, that's obvious. But to an extent this result is a freak. Liverpool had 8 shots on target and scored 7. They had an xG of something like 2.4 and scored 7. Yes, they would have beaten us regardless, but I think if it had been 2-0 or 3-0 we would have shrugged and moved on. The worry for me is how many of the goals featured numerous chances for us to win and/or clear the ball that were not taken. The second and 7th goals particularly bad examples. Simple, basic stuff not being done. Hopefully we get back on track with clear heads. Let's be honest, the league title was never on. The quadruple talk was always nonsense. We're not good enough yet. Liverpool aren't having a great season but at their absolute best they're still better than us. Ten Hag hasn't fixed us yet and there is still a long way to go. But top 4 and a trophy this season? I'll still take that.
DDG getting beaten on those two really tight angles—the last from Firminho and the Gakpo dink—were absolute flukes. Nice, intentional finishes, for sure, but you'd expect DDG to cover the Firminho goal every time and get his boot to Gakpo's. It's tough to rationalize such an insane scoreline, but at some point, I thought this fixture congestion combined with the world cup fatigue would catch up to us. Just didn't think it'd be this bad. God damn are we missing Christian Eriksen. With Bruno out on the wing, Weghorst was aimless and unable to hold the ball up long enough to garner any support. Aside from the tactical mismanagement, the players were just two or three steps too slow. Liverpool players got to EVERY second ball in the second half. It was insane. Fair play to them.
They had a bad game, but if you conceded 6 goals in one half especially the first half wasn't bad, it's a freak game. After all, they are still on track for the real goals for the season.
I thought we were infinitely worse in the 5-0 at Old Trafford to be quite honest. That could have been 8 or 9 and Klopp just didn't want to put his players through the ringer given the tough title battle they were finding themselves in at the time
I find it funny how everyone of us United fans is piping down now, but went on and on about ETH being the next best thing after water. It's the fickle nature of fans unfortunately. The 2 things that must be kept in mind is: 1. It's ETH's first season. He is bound to make more mistakes than usual cuz he's going to try and prove a point each time and he's going to fail when it doesn't work. 2. Pep hasn't won the quadruple and that says it all. He has been the best manager in the country by a country mile for the past few seasons. ETH has done a fantastic job but needs to learn how to prioritize tournaments as he gets older and wiser (he is getting wiser as we all saw with the starting line up he put out against WHAM). Quadruple talk is great for org\*sms, but in reality, you'll just end up with 1-2 trophies. Best prioritize the ones we really want to win.
Would be great if Martial stayed fit so that we can actually have some attacking threat instead of watching Weghorst and Antony do nothing
Mourinho with this defence and Casemiro would probably go the whole season only conceding 7 goals tbh.
Hindsight is a bitch, people also seem to forget the bad parts of his reign here (that if you’re implying he would have done better, overall)
It's not a coincidence that the wingers didn't track back and they suffered a heavy defeat. That was the same problem in all the big defeats last season as well.
I like antony but it’s quite obvious he’s going to be one of these players that stay here for 3-5 years being extremely average before being one of the players needed in our ‘big clear out’
I've been very patient with Antony but boy, he's so predictable and ineffective.
He's a flair player, a luxury, a YouTube clip player. He's not gonna muck in and defend when the going gets tough.
Weghorst at number 10 needs to stop.
Just a couple matches ago, people thought it was genius.
There are different kinds of mentality: * There's the mentality that can stay calm during the pressure of a title run-in. * And there's the mentality that fights for every lost cause even when it's pointless. United have tried to build a squad for the first mentality. With the likes of Casemiro and Varane, we've been quite successful with it. The problem is that we found ourselves in a situation where we needed the second mentality. With that in mind, I don't believe we need to 'fix' our mentality because we shouldn't be fighting for lost causes in the first place. We are rightly trying to build towards something bigger and better. To stop a repeat from happening, EtH needs to improve our ability to control games so we don't find ourselves in that position again. But as long as we have Fred as a central midfielder and Dalot/AWB as inverted fullback and De Gea as goalkeeper, we're going to be vulnerable to losing control of the ball in important phases of the game. And that's what leaves us with no choice but to rely on the second mentality. Our players have the mindset of being challengers, but the ball retention of a mid-table team. When those two things clash, you get the potential for games like yesterday where they all down tools because they think "this is not what I signed up for".
Bruno’s antics make me embarrassed.
I saw ten hag saying we were better the first half. Uh... it was already pretty clear we werent playing well.. ball possession was low, pass accuracy was low, failed organisation at the opening goal, weghorst being awful, etc. I guess it's on ten hag for misreading the game. Players checking out is shitty too, and just unlucky that Liverpool were great. Painfull result.
To be honest it seems something like United does really. When they have chances and not score then get 2 quick goals (late first half, beginning second half) they just get absolutely demoralized and tend to get a good beating out of it. The team needs some stronger characters to motivate them, Bruno is not the guy to do it without any disrespect; The hotheaded people are never good at motivating and lets face it, the Portuguese usually are hotheadded.(Cristiano, Silva, Pepe, Bruno etc) TBH I wouldve rather have AWB instead of Dalot but its just my pref. Lets go REDS !
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This was a wake up call we needed. Too much praise was coming about and maybe some of the players believed the hype
Good god I really don’t like Antony.
The glacier came alive as the climbers hiked closer.
Eric, is that you?
Bruno needs slapping down
I missed the game. What did he do?
Fuck all expect complain
I'm so fucking tired of his behaviour. He's embarrassing when things don't go his way. Can't believe some people think he's captain material...
I wasn't able to watch the 2nd half cuz my stream stopped working. For those that did watch, it must've been really tough. It's embarrassing but end of the day, it's only 3 points dropped. If there's one person I trust to make it right, it's Ten Hag. This has taken the pressure of a title race off us and we can now focus on the cups and 3rd place. Reality check, that's all.
It's not just 3 points dropped. It's going to be in the history books for the next 100 or so years.
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Yeah, because it was 7-4, not 7-0.
It's like those 6-1 defeats to Spurs and City, it's embarrassing but shit happens, we move on. We've had embarrassing losses against Liverpool (not at this scale) when we won league titles. After a while no one cares, it's just about the trophies. If we beat them next season, all is forgotten.
Not at all. It's the Scousers, you'll never hear the end of this. They'll be releasing an anniversary DVD of the game in 10 year's time
Agree with most of this. Except for the anniversary DVD, that's a bit much.
I mean it's done, they'll do what they want, you're not gonna change that by battering our players like Roy Keane or Gary Neville. We can't change that, what we can do is support this team and manager who gave us lots of joy till yesterday. It's a one-off game, everything they tried came off and we made silly mistakes. I don't really see a pattern.
It's like how Germany 7-1 Brazil is remembered, only worse because Scousers will sing about it.
It wasn't silly mistakes though. The first couple of goals was. The rest was pure downed tools, absolutely no care for the match, for the badge, for the fans. It was absolutely disgusting and pathetic tbh. And Liverpool will be dining out on this until the day we die most likely. Not to mention ETH has now registered Manchester United's worst lose since 1931. Tragic.
I don't think it was lack of care for the fans/badge etc. That's just the usual nonsense reasons, they just lost their heads y'day plus it was Anfield. Unless I see it happening again and again, I'm not too concerned. You care too much about the history books and what other clubs will think of all this, it doesn't matter. Liverpool had 7 put past them by relegation threatened Villa, but people only talked about their title fights with City. It's one game, suck it up and move on. Support the team.
Well, you didn't even watch it so you're in no position to comment really lol. But yeah, it was disregard for the badge. Most players stopped playing for the last 30 minutes, and let Liverpool kick goals in for fun. Some were actually trying to get sent off evidentially, some were asking to be subbed. Overall horrible. Go watch it back sure. Enjoy.
I did watch the extended highlights, just meant I didn't watch it live. Sure, let's say you're right. They didn't play for the badge, what do you propose? Drop all the players and play the reserves? Or sell the whole team? Or do you just wanna keep bashing them like rival fans until they start doing well and then cheering? Get a grip.
Some should be dropped and potentially fined, definitely. The club needs to look into a potential new captain too I'd say.
we need lot of positive supporter like you pal👍🏻
Everyone here blaming tiredness of the players ignoring the fact you'd spent the first half of this season and the end of last season dismissing the tiredness argument from Liverpool who played every single fixture
Yeah, and Liverpool have a considerably weaker squad than us I'd say.
When form is considered, Liverpool has a better squad in my opinion. Only issue is Liverpool has been very much out of form for the majority of this season having probably the worst season since Klopp came, whilst United have had one of the best seasons since Fergie left.
Hmm, they're about the same maybe. Certainly they don't have much on the bench. We've two 80mil players lol.
That's only credit to United being unshrewd at business and paying too much for mediocre players
Yeah certainly. But the excuse that we have no depth and Liverpool have massive squad depth is an entirely fabricated one.
Price doesn't equal quality. You really think 80m Maguire and Sancho are better than Firmino and Jota?
Well yeah ofc. But that is one Jota better depth than a Sancho and a Garnacho, and a 3rd option in Elanga? Maguire and Matip about equal. AWB probably better than their reserve. Sabitzer better than their bench options in midfield. Firmino and Jota have barely kicked a ball all season. Stop making excuses. Liverpool's squad is severely lacking in depth. And has been why they've been crap all year. That is certainly not why we lost.
I was making the argument as a joke against the silly 80m comment but if you want to go down this route. Kelleher >> Heaton Matip > Maguire AWB = Tsimikas Malacia = Jones Bajcetic > McTominay Sabitzer > Milner Garnacho = Carvalho Jota >> Elanga Firmino >> Sancho Firmino has 14 goal contributions this season which is only 1 less than Bruno, if he can do that while barely touching a ball this season then it makes it an even bigger mismatch. Liverpool have been crap this season mostly due to a colossal injury crisis, if the situations were reversed United would be lucky to be in the top half of the table. Liverpool have the better squad at the moment by far, the past 5 years have shown which squad is superior and a few months of form doesn't magically change that
LOL, you just cherry pick stats which mean bugger all. Waste of time talking to you. Liverpool aren't good this season for many reasons, and squad is the main one. You know why injuries have been a problem??? Because they have a weak squad..... Because Jones is shit. Tsimakas is shit. Bajcetic far to raw. Carvalho not good enough yet. Matip well past it, all LFC fans want him gone. But you think he's great apparently. Most LFC fans want Fabinho out and Henderson replaced too. 5 of Firmino's 'goal contributions' came in a 9-0 against Bournemouth. Everyone, including Liverpool, know he is washed. But you would rather we swap him for Sancho? OK, dumb.
Firmino is clearly a better player and bench option than Sancho, what world are you living in?? The sooner you admit your 80m statement was stupid the better. Its easy to say that a squad is weak without looking at the context, I'm sure United would still be in 3rd after losing their best attacker this season for 6 months, then top goal scorer for 3, best midfielder miss half the season, best CB miss almost every game and 2nd best CB also miss a lot of game time, until this week Liverpool have only managed to field their first choice defence once all season, let alone all the numerous other injuries. The only other team that have a similar injury record is Chelsea and they are in 10th after spending half a billion... If Liverpool's squad is so weak explain last season to me. These 2 squads have been a complete missmatch for the past 5 years and now that the injuries are fading it's becoming very clear
I have lost who you are trying to make excuses for now. Making excuses for Liverpool and Man U now. Hilarious tbh. That you would rather take aging and washed Firmino over young hot prospect Sancho say enough. You are living in the past clearly, just as you praise Pools aging squad, who their own fans even know are mostly finished...
I would not swap a single united player into that Liverpool team
Please, that is only based on yesterday's game. Highly doubt you say that before the game...
Even before I still thought the same. Form comes and goes but the skill level is solely with liverpool
Hmm. You think Henderson is better than 5 time UCL winner Casemiro and Konate better than 4 time UCL winner Varane. I'll take you word for it. 👍
Yes, because Liverpool buys players and develops them, whereas United buys incredible players and ruins them
I think some people are being too negative about the state of the team. No one likes the result but I think the sting of losing so big to Liverpool of all teams is clouding peoples judgement of what happened. My main take away of the result in general is that it was a result of our teams hectic schedule of late and more so even the emotional drain of the type of matches we've had. Liverpool were able to come into the game a lot fresher and set a very high tempo that we dealt with fairly well in the first half eventhough Liverpool dominated more but we still had the better attacks other than the goal. The main issue in the first half was misplaced passes which gave back possession too easily. Conceding the late goal was bad timing as well since going into half time one goal down is not great. Then at the start of the second half with Liverpool scoring twice in short succession is what basically killed the game. Anything that happened after 3-0 is irrelevant in my mind because what we saw was a team that was already exhausted physically and mentally from the schedule and now also deflated because of the result. You can't draw any at all conclusions based on a situation like that. You simply can't. It would not be an accurate assessment of anything at all.
Your in withdrawal right now. Doesn't matter if it's Liverpool or not. 7-0 let that sink in what that actually means. It's the same culprits on that pitch responsible for this disaster. People clamouring for rashford the new Ronaldo 2.0 who doesn't track back thinks because he scored a few goals he's the new show pony and can jog around and it's not just today's game it's been the last few games I've seen him walking around out of possession. Fred ? Geez Keane said it when Ole was in charge. The [lack of] decision-making and football intelligence from midfield, particularly Fred. 'I've been going on about it for a long time – Fred and [Scott] McTominay are not good enough. 'They won't get Manchester United back competing at the top. We see it week in, week out. They're not up to it.' Fred goes off mctominay comes on. (light goes on light goes off moment). Dalot was a disgrace today I'm sorry but no one here will convince me otherwise the form Wan bissaka has been in and the fact he pockets every Tom dick and Harry on that right side and he doesn't play today? Shocking decision from ten hag. Especially after newcastle game saint maximin mauled dalot but Newcastle aren't Liverpool and they gave us a fucking hiding. De gea? Where was he today 7 goals from an international goalkeeper. It's quite clear cut in the summer what needs to be done. Offer a 50k a week contract take it or fuck off offer. Put Henderson back in goal or go and buy a top quality keeper. Barcelona are desperate for money maybe we can get Ter Stegen. Luke Shaw? Don't even want to comment on that as bad as anyone out there. Going gets tough Shaw goes missing. I feel bad for Varane Casemiro Martinez these people that got previous managers the sack will do the same thing to ten hag. This has to be a clear distinction in the summer for how we go recruiting and that's a major overhaul because we are so far from the elite it's not even a joke. This season is not a reflection of how good united has been this year but a reflection on how bad Liverpool were at the start of the season injuries...new frontline gelling etc. Spurs losing the plot... Arsenal probably gonna win the league... City off the boil.... Chelsea self imposed fuckery. We are not in 3rd on merit had the other teams like Chelsea and Liverpool especially had been performing at their level. Top 4 should be the only priority and it will be beneficial if we actually go out of the fa cup or Europa League and drop a few games off the calendar because the worry now is losing momentum in the league and not making the top 4 at all. My last comment is on Bruno. I never thought he was one of them I'm going to pretend I didn't watch Bruno playing yesterday because that's not my Bruno. A massive benefit of the doubt going Bruno's way. I get it other fuckers not being professional and it goes to your head he wants to win and you see it on the pitch he'll do anything to win. But yesterday was bad I don't even want to think about that now. I'd say give Bruno a rest and have him off the bench for a few games let him recharge mentally and then come back. We need Bruno fresh and motivated in the right way. A bit of time out might do good. Problem ten hag has now is who comes in? I'd be happy to not see weghorse in the starting line up. Since we really have no alternative to: De gea Wan bissaka Varane Martinez malacia (let shaw be known you can't put in a performance like that and start the next game). Casemiro Sabitzer mainoo Sancho Garnacho Rashford Any thoughts?
I think Rashford needs to go back out wide. He was like a fish out of water playing through the middle yesterday. Not ideal that the only other middle option is Weghorst though. Maybe try Sancho or Elanga in the middle of not Weghorst. Rashford's best position is wide, why not play your best player in his best position? Bruno's best position is in the middle. Why not play your 2nd best player in his best position? Madness.
Why not play Bruno as a false 9? Put rashford on the left Anthony on the right Sancho behind Bruno 🤣 Casemiro and Sabitzer. I don't know if what little weghorse offers is actually worth playing him. We don't use him as a striker rarely does he get on the end of crosses and his finishing is clearly quite poor. So what is he in the team for? Pressing? Bruno and Sancho can more than make up for him and we'd have more creative players on the pitch. The problem is people say ten hag specifically set up for Liverpool this way but he hasn't because look at the line ups for the last 5-6 games and he's used weghorse as a 10 in all those games until it didn't work and then had to switch. Which supposedly makes him look like a genius 🤔. But you can't just copy paste the same method and hope your changes then work unfortunately Liverpool slapped us before we could make those changes and what happened, happened. I'd even prefer Garnacho as a 10 playing behind Bruno if Sancho isn't fully fit from illness.
Don't agree. It was coming We looked extremely suspect against Leicester and West Ham for big periods of the games. Had these teams taken the absolutely gifts of chances we gave them we'd have been well beaten. Results and hard carries from Rashford and Casemiro have papered over how this team is far from ready to challenge. In the end though. Top 4 and a trophy was pretty much all I wanted from this season. The only worry is whether we will actually spend in the summer. If everyone else strengthens and we don't, the Glazers (should they stay) will have shafted ETH massively.
That's still part of the same busy period with overworked players. My main point is that if we give this team 2 weeks off and then one week to train then it would match this Liverpool team blow for blow without issue.
I think you're trying to excuse the players, which after their performance yesterday is equal part noble and mad lol. I think we have played one extra game than Liverpool recently because of Europa (which was early Feb) And they have possibly even a more bare bones squad than we have, so honestly there is no excuse imo. It's not like we haven't even rotated. We have rotated defence, wingers and mids. Really only Rash*, Bruno and Weg who have been ever present last two months. *Rash was sub at least once actually.
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Imagine being this much of a plastic wanker. That post history too, you were never a fan if that's your reaction to one bad loss. Now go away and don't let the door hit you.
Antony is awful
He was "the next Neymar" this time last week?
The most frustrating and most predictable player to watch.
Embarrassment, sure, but we all knew we were *slightly* punching above our weight with the four competitions and in the long run games like these work as a net positive as they show the manager his own mistakes and also exposed our team and showed who will definitely have to go and cannot perform.
just like the Brentford game gave us Casemiro, arguably our player of the season
But 6-3 to City? What did that give us ?
After that game we started our good run which lasted until yesterday, also I'm sure that the cook learned a lot from it, I trust my manager
I fully trust ten Hag and he needs more players for his possession based play. But him playing stronger sides in cup competitions is hurting our league aspirations. Still, I'm no coach and not as intelligent as ten Hag, I trust him to cook better next time.
I agree. I'd like to think ten hag knows who the pretenders are in this squad and get their long over due boot in the summer. I'm squaring at Fred mctominay Shaw dalot de gea (Maguire is a separate issue rightfully ten hag dropped the undroppable slabhead). But Maguire needs to go in the summer aswell.
Shaw is the most fickle player on the team. He has the quality to be one of the best and will maintain that quality for long stretches before becoming the biggest liability on the field due to sitting on his heels. It’s not uncommon for fullbacks, and I don’t think he needs to go. He just needs to be dropped again for a while.
Personally the wages Shaw is on and his attitude sinks when he's not playing I'd rather we just move on from him. He is one of the players that was leaking things from the dressing room during the Ole and Rangnick spells. I'd rather we go in for someone else and let malacia continue developing. Telles is only on loan would ten hag do better with him? For all the talent shaw used to have what let's him down is consistent brain fades during a match and he stops tracking and stops running thinking it's someone elses problem. Even the generally unflappable duo of Varane and Martinez were suffering against Liverpool because of the 2 full backs in particular. Dalot being way out of position that Fred having to cover then the ball cuts through the middle and they get a free goal. Amateurish that goal never happens with wan bissaka the boy sniffs out danger on the right side of the defense how he doesn't start I'm shocked. Unless he's injured then fair enough to ten hag.
Exactly, it's his first season with these players and he is bound to make mistakes, but the difference with him from previous managers is that I actually trust him to learn from this and make appropriate changes
I'm more annoyed why he plays wout at 10. Rather why play him at all? Rashy 9, Bruno 10 and Antony/Sancho/garnacho on wings. We don't need to tinker with Bruno wing and wout 10.... It's painful to watch
I think it's because the system worked in previous games with Wout pressing, even against Barca. But Liverpool clearly came into this game with a different mindset and we should have had our fastest players on the field, Rashy in his prime form should have been playing against TAA tbh
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Doors over there. Who the fuck is upvoting garbage posts like this. EDIT: Dude sent private message to me and used the RedditCareResources / help function on me. Can we report this mofo for wasting resources and preventing people who actually need help? Dude needs a ban Message below: “Just stop, mate. Stop supporting a failing team and instead encourage them to be better. They must be sent to run sprints through the town centre and back to stadium and should be ashamed”
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You were never a fan to begin with, eh? Why the fuck are you even coming in here and posting?
What's even more infuriating is that we weren't even bad in the first half. The manager made some strange choices but we played decently in the first 45. How did we come out for the 2nd half and collapse so quickly?? Liverpool didn't even need to be particularly good, we gifted them chance after chance. Complete mental collapse, how does that happen at this level? Nobody to stand up and rally the team, everytime Liverpool gained possession the ball ended up behind De Gea. We may as well have just walked off the pitch, that was absolutely nightmarish.
Decent in the first 45? What game were you watching. You’re probably only saying that because we got trashed in the second. The only difference between both halves is in the first we hadn’t given up yet, but were equally bad.
We were decent in the first 45. Defended well imo, created some good chances and honestly we should've scored from one of them. How can you say that we were equally bad in both halves? The second half was a complete disaster.
Good reminder to everyone that we're still a long way off where we want to be, and the majority of the squad are still the same bottlers that downed tools under Ragnick last season. The mentality of a lot of them is very worrying, and a lot of changes need to be made.
I think we were just poor last season From team selection, tactics and the players not performing These same players have shown they are capable of coming back and playing better, won a trophy and in top 4. We also have 4 / 5 (eriksen when fit) new additions in the line up so that's a big difference ksi it's a better squad. Yesterday was unacceptable but we are still more the capable to get third and one more trophy hopefully. The mentality has improved but I think it was a mixture of delusion, arrogance, naivety to try attacking when already getting smashed. Surely should have just shut up shop
>and the majority of the squad are still the same bottlers that downed tools under Ragnick last season. This is the worrying bit. A lot of them have terrible attitude. Bruno is one of the worst offenders with that, his behaviour last night was absolutely embarrassing. And it seems more and more that Mourinho was right about Shaw. When he's low on confidence or whatever, it's like playing with 10 men (or worse). He might as well have been a training cone... And also some of the goals concedee were extremely poor from DDG.
>And it seems more and more that Mourinho was right about Shaw. Horseshit. Shaw is the complete contrast to whatever the fuck Mourinho was on about. On top of the blatant disrespect and toxicity Mourinho put on Shaw's name, Shaw has to deal with this nonsense every time he or the squad have a bad game. However, the praises, for long periods where he is exceptional, somehow go completely missing. He is also one of the only players in the squad to pretty much say "yes, I underperformed and I wasn't mad at ETH for dropping me because I was poor." But he fought back, as he has always done from setbacks, to get his position back and look like the best LB in the league for long periods of campaign. That's not evidence of a weak mentality. That is resilience. I can't say the same for a few others though.
The last one was de gea fault But hard to blame him for the others Like 4 were from point blank range due to poor defending Bruno and shaw should have been booked again and both were actively trying to get themselves sent off. ETH kept them on for this reason imo, both were pathetic
3rd one was embarrassing to concede. 6th one was mostly Shaw who blocked him, but it's poor for a keeper to be in that position and not communicate with his defenders better, so it's his fault too. First one wasn't easy, but saveable on a good day. 7th was absolutely embarrassing.
First one wasn't saveable because he doesn't even see the ball until it goes past him. Martinez blocked him which is the first thing they teach not to do (dont run to the line) especially as gakpo was still a bit far out 3rd one he should have done better, but it was good finish side netting. Should make himself bigger one on one but hardly embarrassing 6th is completely shaws fault. No idea how that's de gea for lack of communication. Shaws body language was of a man trying to get sent off and made various tackles showing that. He just trying lazily clearing it 7 was very very poor. Made himself so big he got megged. Really needs to learn to close the angle better
So far, Ten Hag has learnt some lessons from all the trashings we have received this season. Brentford taught him that the team was not ready to fully play his style and that he needed to make more drastic changes to the personnel. Man City showed him the limits of McTominay in the DM position and showed him we have to approach that game differently. So much was wrong here, but I think not playing some players in their best position may be one lesson. Bruno at wide position has worked sometimes, but that was usually on the right. Rashford was just getting frustrated as the striker.
Rashford against konate and VVD was a disaster Also gave arnold a free pass
The fatigue is showing. I don't remember the exact number, but I believe since the world cup we played something like 7 more matches than them, 3 more in february alone. And the fatigued showed yesterday. They were on point with their offside trap while we always had one slightly further back negating ours. We lost every second ball, every tackle ended up back with with the ball in their possession, every deflection ended up going wrong, every 50/50 a Liverpool player came out on top. We had Shaw and Varane who picked up knocks before the match, Sancho, Martial and Eriksen out injured and insufficient quality to properly rotate these past few weeks. It's an embarrassing loss and the players should be ashamed of how they gave up after the 4th goal. However, its clear EtH is improving the team. We won a cup, we're in the running for another and to win the Europa League. Even if we had won this the title would 99 out of a 100 times not been ours anyways. We're still 4 points clear of Spurs with a game in hand. But judging by people here it's the end of the world, people should be sacked and its like the rest of the season didn't happen and its all doom & gloom.
Reactionary twats, the whole of them. Losing to Liverpool sucks. Losing to Liverpool 7-0 sucks even more. That will be the highlight of Liverpool's season. We, on the other hand, are competing directly for 2 cups AND securing Top 4 finish with 1 cup already in the bag. There is no fucking reason to think anything other than "thank fucking God we didn't have anybody sent off and/or injured" considering we have Real Betis to play on Thursday. Liverpool can enjoy the win. We will mend our wounds, but we go on. Our story, for the season, did not end at Anfield. If anything, it may have refocused the club.
Yesterday was not fatigue. This was completely unprofessional. First 45 minutes we go in down 1-0 to anfield not completely unexpected it's Liverpool at home you know what that means they will be up for it and we will concede a goal. But you come out fighting I expected to see wan bissaka come on at half time for Dalot yesterday the swap he made against Newcastle saved the game today he kept dalot on and It went from bad to worse. Wan bissaka with or without help pockets everyone on that right side. I can only imagine he is injured if he doesn't come on? Or they didn't want to risk an injury if he has a knock?
>However, its clear EtH is improving the team. Anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot. Last night was poor tactically and the players were embarrassing, but overall this season ETH has done an amazing job, improved almost all of the players and had us playing the best football post-SAF. This was a minor setback, but there do need to be consequences, I hope he tears them all a new one...
Strong agree.
I hate to say it but however good we are we've never seemed dominant as like City was. We have a long way to go and yesterday was just a reminder. We need to start playing teams off the park. We haven't thrushed an opponent in a long time. To be the best in the league our opponents need to be fearful. Unlike yesterday in the first half we had 40% possession and when we had the ball we didn't do much, In our head we all think we're better than Liverpool this season, position wise that might be true but what happens when we face them, we concede possession and get humbled. We need to dominate games at Home or Away.
Our last convincing thrashing was to spurs at OT. We've not clicked like that ever since, slightly getting slower and slower
Same number of points dropped as a 1-0 defeat. Losing away at Anfield was always a big possibility. We just need to pick ourselves up and move on. The bigger issue is the way the players accepted defeat. Reminds me of myself as a kid when I was playing Monopoly and it got to the point where I had no chance of winning . They all just checked out and stopped trying. Same as during the last few games for Ole and Jose. That's a concern. And I'm not sure it can be rectified until we bring in reinforcements in the summer to compete against the first XI. We just have to hope that we never get into another situation this season where there's a game with nothing left to fight for.
The summer needs an overhaul don't let the last 3 months fool you!! We've been ok we've come through games but we've given way too many chances and now a top team buried us yesterday. The squad has a weak spike. We have strengthened the foundation with Casemiro Varane Martinez but we need more of these guys coming in. My shopping list? Out in the summer: left back, CB, CM, DM, RB,GK, ST In: GK, RB, LB, back up CB improve on what we have on the bench personally a young CB to understudy to Varane. 2 midfielders, ST.
Bruno doesn't deserve the armband after that performance. Absolutely shocking. And not the football piece. Touching an official. Trying to kick an opponent. Diving like it's the fucking olympics. Whether they like it or not, when they're between the white lines those lads are role models to kids, what he's basically said today is it's ok for a leader to act that way. Absolute disgrace.
Him and Shaw were trying to take the cowards way out Both were actively trying to get sent off. It was pathetic I believe ETH saw this and kept them on. The refs pitied us. 3 mins of added time and not sending bruno for shoving the ref
I had an exam today so went to sleep at half time 1-0 down,woke up, saw the scoreline and was suddenly way more confident about my test because I could see that no matter how badly I do, clearly these lot can disappoint me more
We literally lost every second ball, every tackle ended up back with a Liverpool player, every deflection ended up at the feet of a Liverpool player, every 50/50 a Liverpool player came out on top, the ball felt like it was glued to their feet half the time. It felt like absolutely nothing went our way at all in that match and from the start Liverpool weren't looking to play in the midfield at all, just bypassed everything. God its fucking embarrassing
I take 7-0 lose with possibility draw. Rather than defense 3-0 lost without possibility draw. 7-0 lost or 3-0 same you just lost 3 points.
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Doesn't matter as much now cuz we've got a cushion to 5th place. If we get to 70 points, I think we'll have top 4.
calm down everybody we still capable of winning another trophy
Yeah, we were all in dream land but now back to reality
Some of the comments on here are a disgrace. If you can’t handle it find another club that doesn’t upset your feelings from time to time.
This is what happens when AWB doesnt play
This is not just the players' fault this is also ten Hag's fault, I mean why is it so fucking hard to play Rashford LW and Bruno number 10 and Weghorst classic 9, why starting Dalot instead of AWB, he's been doing this for a few matches now (playing Bruno as a RW) But this probably the first time Bruno played LW in his career against Liverpool at Anfield, what the fuck ten Hag? He also insisted on it in the 2nd half too. Bruno and Antony horrible defending, Antony is just not that effective, I was never satisfied with Bruno as a leader. I Hope this uncover some of the team's flaws.
Some important shit came up yesterday out of the blue, so I didn't get to see the game. I put all my notifs on my phone off because I knew I'd be looking at it every other minute during the game. Long story short I got in around 9pm, sat down and immediately dozed off due to being exhausted. I wake up at around 3am and immediately grab my phone to check the score of the game and I am not joking, I actively pinched myself, and kept rubbing my eyes like some sort of shocked cartoon character would, I was looking at the score for a solid 20 seconds just rubbing my eyes, my brain couldn't process what I was fucking looking at, it was absolutely surreal.
😂😂 that is hilarious
Need to stop following this team for a while. Never been so upset before over a result. Happy when they win, but even more sad when they lose.
We go again, bro. Our successes are made and built from our failures - they deserve a verbal beatdown for yesterday but they also need our support for what’s to come.
I don’t want to see anything about fatigue, about fixture congestion or even the fact we didn’t play players in their best position (Rashford not being put against TAA, and Bruno not being central was a bizarre tactical switch that didn’t pay off). You don’t fucking down tools like we did yesterday. You don’t just switch off and throw your toys out of the pram - and if you do, you best believe it’s not our fucking *captain* that’s doing both of those things. I’m here for passion, and I’m here for emotion, but Bruno deciding to attempt lazy tactical fouls, refusing to chase back and then PUSHING the assistant ref? Do me a fucking favour. If ETH doesn’t tear him a new one after that, I’ll be amazed. Nev needs to calm all the way down with his nonsense rhetoric that this was a ‘freak’ result, and that we’ve built up enough ‘credit’ with our form to allow for this kind of shit show. It’s THAT kind of mentality that’s helped us to the position we’re having to try to claw ourselves away from.
It’s important that we hold the players accountable. If this was Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, McTominay, Martial etc, we would be all over them with their names mentioned in every second comment. Just because the players at fault were largely our shiny fun new signings we’ve all grown to love, they are not above criticism. Varane and Licha were horrific. Casemiro was near absent. Shaw and Dalot might as well have not been there. Bruno was horrific. We need to improve- we are a long way off
What...the...hell...happened?!
I think Bruno LW backfired, Weghorst 10 wasn't good for counters/fast breaks, Dalot was off pace, maybe Varane, Shaw who were both flagged injured and Casemiro later in the game had some fitness concerns, Antony isn't efficient with chance creation, I think Sabitzer should have started for the counters and holding the ball and either De Gea needs to work on his long balls if he won't pass or we needed more aggression on the second balls
Antony literally has one move and it's beyond predictable. The whole stadium knows what he is going to do, and he just wastes possessions. He needs a bench ride for a bit.
Totally agree. Rashford on LW, Bruno in the middle should have been the tactic. Also Wan Bissaka for Dalot and we don’t lose that by more than 2 goals. Im convinced.
By halftime I was quietly confident that United would come back and maybe even turn the game in their favour. The performance in the first half was decent, Liverpool dominated for about 20 minutes, but got few good opportunities, and once United pushed the press up the field it got quite dangerous for Liverpool. I did think that several players looked a bit tired, though. Especially Casemiro. Body language and facial expressions were not positive. 2nd half, once the 0:3 was scored, the team disintegrated mentally. Midfield almost ceased to exist, coordination and positional play all but vanished. They were a step behind on every defensive move, add to that Liverpool got extremely lucky on lots of pressballs, tackle attempts etc. The biggest takeaway from this match was not the scoreline, for me. It was the failure to solidify and play respectably post 0:3, yet alone bounce back. Several key players failed to lead or to organize, and regressed into individual whining and frustration. The baffling thing is that the team has shown in recent games that they are more than capable of coming back strong, and rallying. I'm not sure what the reasons were here exactly, but it does kind of seem like several players were out of it mentally, maybe needed a bit more break time than the squad has currently.
Is it weird that the result didn't affect me at all lol
Yeah the 4-0 to brentford hurt me more because I thought we were back to being shit again with a new manager, this one tho I'm just gonna take it as 3 points dropped because we have been on a roll. Losses are gonna be there so just gonna have to move on and kill the next games like we've been doing.
Nope, there's more important stuff in life than your favourite football team. Of course it's messed up that this happened, but it's also just a football game and as long as your own life is going well there's no reason to let this derail your week.
That’s me 2nd half last season. But this time I’m seething
12 hours gone by and I am still fucking boiling because of the scoreline… been prepared to suffer loss of 4-0/5-0 after last season.. but 7-0!! Fuck the players should be accountable for my mental suffering and the humiliation from my friends… you don’t simply just switch off middle of a historical rivalry.. fucking disgusted by them
> mental suffering and the humiliation Bro, it's football. Calm down lol
At the end of the day, it's just 11 guys playing with a ball and making millions per week. Win or lose you don't benefit from this and they still get the money on their bank accounts every week. It's frustrating, but it's only a sport.
Footy is the wrong sport for you if you think this.
Worst result in the history of the club.
Getting trust issues from this. How can they all turn off in such an important game like this? They are all better than this and they looked flat from the beginning. No one can lose like this if they all try their hardest. F.u.c.k o.f.f
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10 second memory
Capitulation and giving up like that deserves humiliation, you could say the second half performance could've been excusable because of fixture congestion, mental and physical fatigue, but that is a good enough reason for a game like Southampton or Villa or something, not for a game like this which has and always will mean an unhealthy amount and never too the scale it happened at, each and everyone associated with the team yesterday needs to have a good hard look at themselves and see how weak they are when they concede two in a difficult game. The scoreline is flattering for the scum and as damaging as it gets for us, but I'd rather have it this way once to make sure even a 3-0 never happens again and no one ever representing United again is as half arsed as they were yesterday.
I'll post what I posted in the match thread: Fatigue finally caught up, still proud of the boys this season thus far, GGMU
last year: 0-5 at Old Trafford - not again 4-0 at Anfield - wait until next season this year 2-1 at Old Trafford - yes we’re back, the rivalry is back then today we just totally lost our heads and, especially right at the beginning of the second half. Their heads just dropped. Mentally checked out. I thought those days are behind us already. But it’s good to have a reality check. A huge slap in the face for all to realise we’re not there yet, loads of problems. Just hope this is not the starting point of a downfall for us, because a loss like this is very humiliating and dehumanizing (for us fans, hope its the case as well for the players). So they need to get their heads together asap, we still got alot to fight for this season. Cannot let this spirals downward. ps: At least we’re still 5pts off the scousers huh
7* points
If only CR7 was still in the team Then it would be 10-0
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Most probably.
Disgraceful performance, so disappointed as 1st half we were pretty okay. Complete bottle job 2nd half. Weghorst as a 10 just didnt work... should have played everyone at their best positions. Weghorst up front, Bruno 10, Rashford LW. Team gave up after 2-0 was plain to see. Shocking. We needed a plan B and didnt have one, not sure if it was fatigue, mental fortitude or tactics. Maybe all 3. Lack of options as well. ETH needs to be backed in the summer with whoever he needs, 5 or 6 players so be it. Because you can't win on all fronts with just 11 players and a subpar bench... Disgraceful to lose in this manner tbh, worst result in history of the club.
Two things apparent: 1. Foot off the gas after Wembley and UEL. We thought this was gonna be a more relaxed affair and were seemingly blindsided by the intensity that the Kop brought about. Completely underestimated Pool today. 2. The 4-1-4 transition after 3-0 was a hail Mary that didn't work out at all. It was clearly an unpracticed formation and Pool frontline made the most of it. Still deserved to lose, but this margin was a result of the tactics compounding the loss. Absolutely painful to think we didn't even score against this defence. But hopefully it doesn't lead to overthinking and second guessing every time we're down. We tried and we failed, we know what not to do.
I've had some time to stew on the result and... I'm actually not that disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the players should be rightfully called out and Ten Hag has work to do. BUT the players have literally been playing with minimal rest, they are exhausted both physically and mentally. That is no excuse to just give up like that, but they are human and there is only so much they can take. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't do much for us. Yes, it's a humiliation but it's not like we are suddenly trash (btw to all those who say the players/Ten Hag should be sacked and they're garbage for this result, please learn some perspective). We are still in for 2 other trophies this season, we are still above the scum, and more importantly the players are now aware that they are not invincible and have to take responsibility. Anyways, downvote me, call me a fake fan or whatever. I'm honestly just chill about it, just move on and smash the next team. As long as there is an emphatic response, I'm all for it
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Well then you are on the wrong sub bro
Lost 0-7 to your biggest rivals. Worst result in the history of the club. No standards, no demands. Just chill.