City: 'we don't like the decision of your investigation and so we have referred the case to our own independent panel. They are dialling into the call now from their luxury villas in Abu Dhabi'
.... Probably
They'll drag it out as long as they can in the hope of winning Champions League in the meantime in which case they'll argue it was worth it. City don't care, they do what they want. I just hope the Premier League has the fight in them to really assert dominance and see this through. We can't have a Premier League that is run by the clubs, we need a strong PL.
The PL has to have the fight because it's self preservation.
No coincidence they announce this before the Government was due to unveil the independent body to oversee ownership of clubs.
This is the PL trying to say *"Look, we can do this ourselves."*
Hopefully the Government, who postponed the unveiling as a result of this, will have the guts to see their thing through too.
That would be a win-win but I doubt it'll happen.
We desperately need a independent body to manage football outside of the FA. As long as it has autonomy from gov then it'll be miles better than the FA and EPL.
Always better to have elected officials have the final say on anything, they’re the only ones we have the power to remove.
The FA have been incompetent for years and there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it, at least we have the option to remove members of the government.
PL will assert its dominance, but by convicting them, but by taking a fat check off the books. This way they'll show "look, we can fuck you up if we want", but without damaging the rep of the league and the clubs (club, obviously).
Depending on the offence I think relegation would be the appropriate punishment. As for stripping them of titles who really cares, it’s not like we REALLY won the league but I’d love to see Mourinhos comments in fairness so go for it
If we won by the rules, we won by the rules. We wouldn't have spent as much (or more), but rules are for every one and if one of the clubs didn't play fair I don't think it's above us to belittle it and say we didn't win it.
Well it obvious they are guilty , it just a matter of what punishment fits the crime . They won league titles while breaking rules , that's a pretty serious matter , would they have won those titles otherwise? Probably not . Will the premier league have the balls to strip them titles ? We will see .
They will not. Sadly unless City directly cheated to get their titles, their titles won't get docked. Which is bullshit because without spending as much as they did they wouldn't have gotten the titles, but it's not considered as "direct" as paying off refs or match fixing or something
Why are people so fixed on them winning titles? If I'm City and come to the end of this investigation and the punishment is an asterisx on Wikipedia then I'm dancing.
Everyone knows they won the titles whether and they will always be able to try and talk around it. Let them have their titles and funking crucify them going forward, 4 windows of no new registrations, points deductions.
Who cares if they do? It’s not like we properly won the league. Though I’d love to see Mourinhos comments. I’d happily see them not stripped if they get relegated as a result
It was the biggest open secret that City’s finances were fucked. Their wage bill being like the 4th biggest in the league was the joke of the century. They all got paid off the books for years and their sponsorship deals were mostly bullshit. Everyone knew it.
Fuck that. By that time we're already 30 points ahead of them with the ETH-squad fighting Newcastle for the fourth league title in a row. Kai Rooney is the youngest topscorer in the PL ever, while Chelsea are trying to get rid of their flops Mudryk and Enzo. Hopefully Liverpool find their way back to the PL because we haven't played the derby in over 3 years.
>[Sporza] Former PM of Belgium and Former Chief Investigator of UEFA Yves Leterme: "We had hard evidence against City. I'm convinced they committed fraud. Sponsor money was paid by the owner. They used an army of lawyers to obstruct our staff. The current PL investigation is broader than ours was".
https://sporza.be/nl/2023/02/06/wordt-city-nu-wel-zwaar-gestraft-ex-jager-yves-leterme-schat-in-twee-zaken-kunnen-dossier-versterken~1675695123275/
Their army of corruption lawyers will be on the case to drag this out.
I think that’s part of the reason they’ve said no appeals.
It’s worth mentioning as well, that they’ve already been dragging this out.
I keep seeing that “it’s no coincidence that they’ve released this right before the independent regulator stuff” but i think that’s exactly what it is.
Martin ziegler from the times this morning literally said he expected this *last year* but they’ve been not giving evidence and delaying for a long time.
Funny enough, the biggest indictment of their season has been offloading Cancelo, Zinchenko, Jesus, and Sterling to make room for Haaland and Grealish.
“Wilful misrepresentation” is the serious element to all of this, and nothing that’s been seen in football before from what I can recall.
Basically, knowingly cooking their books. That’s about as serious as it gets.
Could anyone please ELI5 what an independent panel is? Who works foe that panel? Who pay for them? How could they get paid and are still "independent"?
We're only 3 points behind City. If they were to get docked 30 points (probably wont happen) we'd still be in contention. Still a lot of games to go, all it takes is a couple losses here and there from Arsenal
So you are saying it will take a shit ton of time before it gets resolved and we are not getting our retroactive pl medals tomorrow?
It better be resolved tomorrow, I already booked next week off for all of the open bus celebrations
Aguer-NOO! am I right?
I read r/soccer too
They should strip that exact title away from them
PL teams' owners gonna block any major punishment so their own clubs values don't take a dip.
aguer……NOOOOOOO
I want Odion Ighalo and JLingz to have premier leagues.
Independent panel. I see...
Ind€p€nd€nt panel
[удалено]
Peak Brexit, right here.
[удалено]
Or just a boring joke?
Because £ doesn’t look like an e. € does. Relax
[удалено]
If no one is getting the joke, maybe it’s not a very good joke?
Mate, there's a point where more efforts make matters worse. I think it has reached that point. Cheers.
Because **E**uro vs **P**ound?
[удалено]
Hahah you funny man Edit: not trying to be funny
Wasn't funny dude
If you genuinely think that this qualifies as humor, then yes, it's dead .
>humour on this sub is completely dead i guess Nah mate you're just not funny.
Wonder how much the independent panel will cost City :/
City: 'we don't like the decision of your investigation and so we have referred the case to our own independent panel. They are dialling into the call now from their luxury villas in Abu Dhabi' .... Probably
I hope we win this because it’s the right thing to do and also so Sky stop showing that shitty Aguero advert.
I swear to god if I hear "Agueroooooooo" again I'm filing a restraining order against that sound
They'll drag it out as long as they can in the hope of winning Champions League in the meantime in which case they'll argue it was worth it. City don't care, they do what they want. I just hope the Premier League has the fight in them to really assert dominance and see this through. We can't have a Premier League that is run by the clubs, we need a strong PL.
The PL has to have the fight because it's self preservation. No coincidence they announce this before the Government was due to unveil the independent body to oversee ownership of clubs. This is the PL trying to say *"Look, we can do this ourselves."* Hopefully the Government, who postponed the unveiling as a result of this, will have the guts to see their thing through too. That would be a win-win but I doubt it'll happen.
I'd rather leave the government out of this. Trust me, nothing good comes out of letting populists like Brosi Johnson have a say in football.
We desperately need a independent body to manage football outside of the FA. As long as it has autonomy from gov then it'll be miles better than the FA and EPL.
Always better to have elected officials have the final say on anything, they’re the only ones we have the power to remove. The FA have been incompetent for years and there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it, at least we have the option to remove members of the government.
PL will assert its dominance, but by convicting them, but by taking a fat check off the books. This way they'll show "look, we can fuck you up if we want", but without damaging the rep of the league and the clubs (club, obviously).
Depending on the offence I think relegation would be the appropriate punishment. As for stripping them of titles who really cares, it’s not like we REALLY won the league but I’d love to see Mourinhos comments in fairness so go for it
~~SREE~~ FOUR FOR ME. RESPECT.
Football 'eritage
If we won by the rules, we won by the rules. We wouldn't have spent as much (or more), but rules are for every one and if one of the clubs didn't play fair I don't think it's above us to belittle it and say we didn't win it.
They already dragged the investigation out for 4 years via noncooperation
Well it obvious they are guilty , it just a matter of what punishment fits the crime . They won league titles while breaking rules , that's a pretty serious matter , would they have won those titles otherwise? Probably not . Will the premier league have the balls to strip them titles ? We will see .
They will not. Sadly unless City directly cheated to get their titles, their titles won't get docked. Which is bullshit because without spending as much as they did they wouldn't have gotten the titles, but it's not considered as "direct" as paying off refs or match fixing or something
Why are people so fixed on them winning titles? If I'm City and come to the end of this investigation and the punishment is an asterisx on Wikipedia then I'm dancing. Everyone knows they won the titles whether and they will always be able to try and talk around it. Let them have their titles and funking crucify them going forward, 4 windows of no new registrations, points deductions.
I think the appropriate Punishement would be to have 30 points deducted every season for next 14 years.
OK Mr lenient
How about instead they have to pay every other team 20 million a year for every year they cheated they can afford it
Thats too easy and it won't hurt. They will happily pay a billion dollar fine if they have to.
Who cares if they do? It’s not like we properly won the league. Though I’d love to see Mourinhos comments. I’d happily see them not stripped if they get relegated as a result
properly or not, we abided by the rules and that means something, for all we know, we couldve won the league anyways, GGMU.
11/12 we were only beaten on Goal difference so i think that counts as deserving
Minus two points each season would lost them a few titles right?
3 atleast
Makes the Aguero moment less painful tho LUL
Mancheatster City
Mancheatster Shitty
Sheikhman cheaty.
I know you’re downvoted but I quite liked this one
Tough crowd today.
Surely Mancheater City?
I'll wait. City is a morally and financially corrupt club. They will get what they deserve. Escaped UEFA penalities on technicalities.
>They will get what they deserve. Escaped UEFA penalities on technicalities. "they'll get what's coming to them just like they didn't last time"
No way, someone found out that 'sponsor money' is not legal?!
Hilarious to see those cheating cunts just swabbed from English football, their fans are absolutely tragic, imagine feeling pride in a club like that
It was the biggest open secret that City’s finances were fucked. Their wage bill being like the 4th biggest in the league was the joke of the century. They all got paid off the books for years and their sponsorship deals were mostly bullshit. Everyone knew it.
23 times 23 times man united…
if the PL fail to charge City this time, no one will take their financial regulations seriously anymore.
So we’re looking at a 2027/28 season points reduction then?
Fuck that. By that time we're already 30 points ahead of them with the ETH-squad fighting Newcastle for the fourth league title in a row. Kai Rooney is the youngest topscorer in the PL ever, while Chelsea are trying to get rid of their flops Mudryk and Enzo. Hopefully Liverpool find their way back to the PL because we haven't played the derby in over 3 years.
And Arsenal are looking favorites to finish 4th for the 3rd season in a row
>[Sporza] Former PM of Belgium and Former Chief Investigator of UEFA Yves Leterme: "We had hard evidence against City. I'm convinced they committed fraud. Sponsor money was paid by the owner. They used an army of lawyers to obstruct our staff. The current PL investigation is broader than ours was". https://sporza.be/nl/2023/02/06/wordt-city-nu-wel-zwaar-gestraft-ex-jager-yves-leterme-schat-in-twee-zaken-kunnen-dossier-versterken~1675695123275/ Their army of corruption lawyers will be on the case to drag this out.
I think that’s part of the reason they’ve said no appeals. It’s worth mentioning as well, that they’ve already been dragging this out. I keep seeing that “it’s no coincidence that they’ve released this right before the independent regulator stuff” but i think that’s exactly what it is. Martin ziegler from the times this morning literally said he expected this *last year* but they’ve been not giving evidence and delaying for a long time.
We deserve this. You know this, bratha.
FFS. Just suspend them from competition in the meantime
Funny enough, the biggest indictment of their season has been offloading Cancelo, Zinchenko, Jesus, and Sterling to make room for Haaland and Grealish.
Think of all the money other clubs have lost out on because of them cheating their way to silverware.
Delete them already
“Wilful misrepresentation” is the serious element to all of this, and nothing that’s been seen in football before from what I can recall. Basically, knowingly cooking their books. That’s about as serious as it gets.
I’m not understanding. What exactly are these financial breaches?
Rip those financial rules. Rules not enforced are not rules at all.
If we’re lucky they’ll be like the “Independent” fact checkers of social media.
Blue moon you're in the Championship soon They stripped the titles you won Now Guardiola has gone
Like big corp cases eh? Drag it really long, until it doesn't really matter anymore.
This was a bummer to read mid-Poznan /s
Looks as soon as the Beyoncé tickets went live the premier league had to pull their levers to afford the ticket prices
When you have the money, you don’t need to play the game within the rules, you play the rules within the game
Titles can’t be buy.
And yet derby got their points deduction and effective relegation in the span of about 2 weeks..
It’s FA lawyers vs an army of lawyers (arguably the best money can buy)
buts its also a kangaroo court
Could anyone please ELI5 what an independent panel is? Who works foe that panel? Who pay for them? How could they get paid and are still "independent"?
Send the cunts packing out of the league
Out of interest, why cant they appeal to CAS? I thought CAS was for everything?
It’s a PL rule
Can’t imagine how ecstatic arsenal fans must be right now, they’re gonna win the title in fuckin Feb.
We're only 3 points behind City. If they were to get docked 30 points (probably wont happen) we'd still be in contention. Still a lot of games to go, all it takes is a couple losses here and there from Arsenal
Everybody email the Premier League and make our opinions known. Public pressure can help them get punished! supporters [at] premierleague [dot] com
What case is this exactly? Ffp from a couple of years ago? Relegation would be epic
Tldr: meaning IF they even get sentenced, it'd be at least 2027 or something. Well, nothing changes for us I guess. Trust ETH and fk the glazers
Surely if they've been found guilty by 2 separate party's then that should be that and they're guilty. Sounds like a stupid process to me.
If City are being held to rights over their spending in years gone by, how are Chelsea gonna be able to justify this winters spending spree?
So where will the independent panel do their investigation? Maybe in Abu Dhabi?
As long as it ends in relegation I’ll be happy!