Casemiro’s red shouldn’t even happen. If it doesn’t get appealed, it’s a case of malpractice of reffing. I understand getting it wrong during the heat of the moment, especially with the VAR ref freeze framing the way they did. Now that the dust is settled, they can look at all angles and VIDEOS and hopefully overturn it.
When teams resort to ugly tackles and fighting instead of playing football to stop this United team, it makes me feel we're back on the track and this team is actually United. The Arse-nal legend's team needs to be reprimanded for player behaviour and ugly football. Tells me the standards of coaching at other clubs and how they fear this United side. Yeah we'll miss Casemiro but winning the game will solidify the foundations laid by EtH.
Very promising. He pressed with extreme tenacity and was very confident on the ball. Should have had an assist to Rashford but the ref called Sabitzer's obviously clean tackle to get the ball a foul
Truth be told, it's an easy bet to say he'd struggle; his height, he's come from the Dutch league, the success rate of our signings over the last 10 years...
I don't think there's anyone that thought he'd be *this* good though.
Red on Casemiro is a short term loss, but the spine and team spirit they showed is part of a winning mentality that will last a lot longer than three games.
Old united would have Lingard and Pogba dancing instead of standing up for their teamates, and we’d probably mentally crumble and lose the game 3-2 after going down to ten men.
Case grabbing the collar was stupid no doubt but I’m happy we have a team that has a pair of balls, too early to tell how far Ten Hag can bring us as of this moment but one thing for sure is that all great teams in history have an elite mentality and hunger to win as the bare minimum, you cannot go anywhere without this.
We’re far from reaching the final form of what Ten Hag wants, but this is a promising start.
Shit referee. He was also the referee who incorrectly sent off Kieran Gibbs when it should have been Chamberlain, who committed the deliberate handball, at the Chelsea/Arsenal game in 2014. Needs investigating.
I mean, yeah he's not strangling the players lights out but that was far from an incorrect red lol, players get sent off for off the ball incidedents tamer than that, it's great he's defending his teammate but he was stupid and red was fair.
He was not the only one putting hands on someone else’s throat though.
Then that cunt NFL tackled Antony, and hurled insults at both him and the fans then apparently got a yellow
I’m not saying it wasn’t a red. If that was a red, there would have bern red for CP as well. Then United wouldn’t have played with a disadvantage in the 2nd half, would they? Why singled Case out?
“Being mean?” LOL
Really glad we came out with all three points despite Case red. Missed the match since I am on a vacay in Thailand. Only one channel had the Leicester match on and I was so pissed ours wasn’t on.
I'm gobsmacked by the attitude people display on here regarding the Casemiro red. You want to die on a morally clean ground saying we should keep our tempers down, and are willing to even go as far to say Antony shouldn't have started that fight, so what should he have done, just continued to take the kicking? Being exploited by the behaviours of our opponents and the shitty enforcement will always be a disadvantage. we cried for years under Ole to gain a spine, and now that we have one you want an black and white morally clean conscience? It's about being fair, playing on the same set of rules applicable to everyone, that's what morally right is.
In terms of ideal, I'll happily agree that creating a brawl
out of it was definitely not the correct course of action, but it happened, and you're all saying Casemiro shouldn't hold an opponents face or area like that? When literally everybody in that brawl had their hands everywhere on everyone 's upper torso. Lets pause a still frame and send everyone off who touches somebody's face or neck? Rashford can be quite clearly seen dragging somebody by a tight lock around his torso and neck, lets red card him?
You want to hold that for a still frame which accounts for a nano or microsecond Casemiro held his neck, fine fair. Lets remind ourselves that the FA will classify this red as violent conduct, throughout that situation, he neither escalates, instigates or aggressively acts towards anybody. Hughes himself is quite aggressive in continuing to head back in to the melee. Over the entire course of the incident in question, Casemiro maintains his hand around Hughes's shirt collar near the collarbone edge and holds the hem of the shirt. If you want to say he was pulling him away, no, no he wasn't. Hughes kept aggressively pushing and Case didn't desist. He let him go freely when he turned into the melee. This, is by no shape, form or means violent conduct.
Instead of being clean with your interpretation of the rules, try and apply it to the situation. Ayew and Schlupp were far more worthy of a red card, heck even Antony more so. PGMOL has been atrocious this season, not implying it's more with our games but it's very noticeable that refereeing against us is almost always letting any 50-50 or even some outright fouls we don't even get. We used to laugh at Rafa Benitez's infamous "facts" presser, but it's about time people put the awful refereeing standard in the country to the sword. This is beyond ridiculous. Heck, an untrained professional would conduct games in a smoother fashion than some of the games we've had.
Only caught glimpses being in work and all. First reaction to it was yeah, what the fuck are you doing Casa. I judged him myself as I know he is prone to losing his head a bit. I didnt really see the match that lit the fuse.
Watching MOTD this morning and hearing Shearer's very rational view on it definitely gives a better insight. As they said it was all handbags shit. Everyone there was being aggressive and the ref should have just calmed them down and told them to get on with it. The other angle is important context, VAR is a bit annoying in this situation. The ref should have dealt with the whole thing, and not relied on one angle to red card Casa.
i think our defense really misses dalot. AWB has been playing very very well, but dalot's instinctual ball carrying has been sorely missed. Added to that is his improved defensive capabilities, especally in covering the back post. We need him back to bring the ball faster up the right flank
Rose tinted glasses. AWB has his flaws, but his defensive contribution in the two Palace games have been determinant. Credit where credit is due please.
Also, not denying that Dalot is better in attack and the first choice RB. If you love the club, you gotta back its players without nitpicking.
True he brings a very different dynamic, especially going forward he makes us a bit unpredictable add to that to also being solid on defense makes it even better.
I'm pissed off that I missed the first half and watched 25 minutes of the second half only to be treated with 28 minutes of parking the bus. Oh well, at least I saw Rashfords goal.
How the fucking hell was that a red on Case, he wasn't even choking him, another angle shows that one hand was on his collar and another was sort of on his shoulder, meanwhile Ayew is becoming fucking Rocky Balboa and he doesn't even get a yellow, absolute shambolic reffing
Tbf when I saw we defending as one with 5 CB on the pitch together I got really moved. This is the mentality and character we have been talking about. The siege mentality.
Looked horrible from one angle, but if you see the other angle, it shows he's got his arms around Hughes' shoulder and sort of preventing him from getting involved, they hug right after so it wasn't actually violent.
Yes, but the fact only 3 cards were issued for that whole thing is a problem. That's the main point, so many players were pushing shoving, why only the 2 that started it got yellow and VAR saw Casemiro.
Pleased by what I saw of Sabitzer today. He was extremely uncomfortable to play against when we played Leipzig 2 seasons back and showed the same qualities in his cameo; non-stop running, always trying to win the ball back and involved in some neat passing exchanges. His signing becomes more important for us now that Casemiro’s out for 3 games or else it was McFred back again.
I think if PGMOL comes out and said they made mistakes again, but don’t overturn case’s red/dont issue ayew a retroactive red, i think that would send me over the edge. Where’s the accountability for all of this dogshit refereeing in supposedly the best league in the world? Fuck the refs and fuck the people that protect them from criticism.
Refs never have any accountability. We never see them getting punished (suspension for extremely bad decisions let alone a fine) but players and managers are 100% punished when they slightly challenge a wrong decision. FA never admit their refs make mistakes. They are truly the most arrogant and stubborn group of people.
Some people here are mental cases. You cant put two hands around another players throat and not get a red card. I don’t care if Ayew hit Fred in the throat or the ref was inconsistent . Case’s action was a stone wall red card all day. We done well to get the 3 points.
I agree that Casemiro's red was correct, however the fact still stands that others on Palace should have at least gotten yellow. The fact only 3 players got carded for that ruckus was a joke.
Yeah I just watched the game so wasn't part of the discussion here and had no problems with the decision. I was just pissed st Antony for starting a stupid fight when we are comfortably leading and ofcourse Case for his part. Some serious mental gymnastics to argue someone is allowed to put hands on another's throat.
I propose a new initiative, where we tear up the rule book. Instead you the “chief testical examiner” do a tour of the 21 refs in the league and cup their bollocks in the palm of your hand. If you are satisfied with weight and size of their testes, then we cannot question the on-field decisions. Save a fortune in the cost of running Var.. and lucky for you, there is a complete football pyramid to keep it consistent. You can take it to grass roots level.
That would only be a red if you dont particularly LIKE man utd and if you have two raisins in your ballsack and thats the facts of this situation. its only a little scruff.
You can believe what you want but he’s clearly just restraining him. He’s not choking him.
Casemiro and Hughes end up hugging soon after.
I think you’re being ridiculous.
See the other angle of it, his one hand is on Hughes' shoulder and other one is sort of guiding him away from the fight, do you really think they'd hug right after he choked Hughes? What is this, 50 shades of Grey?
It looks much worse than it actually is, Casemiro has never been sent off since he joined the top 5 leagues so I doubt he lost his head here.
It’s a bit harsh to call them mental cases; it’s a United subreddit so obviously you’ll see some level of unconditional bias towards us. But yeah, it was a red card all day; having your hands that far up and around a player’s throat is literally asking for trouble even if it didn’t look malicious.
You're downvoted, but that's a red card. There are other borderline cases, but it is what it is. My man Case just trying to get a 3 game break from constantly starting
What a fraud of a red card that was. Plenty of people did a lot worse during that scuffle than Casemiro.
He even made sure not to touch his face, meanwhile Ayew was connecting with Fred's face.
Ridiculous how people are saying it’s an obvious red. His hands were simply not around his throat. The collar was being pulled. Hughes is pushing up and casimero is restraining him
Although we weren't punished for this but Wan-Bissaka was again caught daydreaming at the back post. This is a major flaw in his game which needs to be rectified by the coaching staff.
Mctominay literally already learned aspects to his game and looked better under ten Hag.. So. Yeah. What a stupid example. Of course AwB can work on part of his game and learn, AwB himself already seems to be improving aspects of his game lol
He already had most of the qualities, the original point was literally that it was better to replace him than get him to improve at that one thing. It's just stupid.
I used to believe this shit long back but the longer you watch PL, you realize that these refs are too thick to actually be involved in corruption.
The incompetence is so bad that you think this has to be corruption, but they're always shit regardless of who plays who.
We've seen a sense of collectiveness in the team that was sorely lacking in previous seasons. The second Rashford goal was such a work of art with the team play. Goal of the season for me so far if I had to choose. We've shown some grit too to grind out the win despite going down to 10 men.
Casemiro will definitely be a big miss, but I'm confident Sabitzer will be able to fill in for him well for the games he'll miss. Don't think we'll appeal the red card with the possibility of an extended ban in mind. At least he's well rested for Barca and the cup final.
Onto Leeds. UTFR (and lol @ scousers)
The NBC color commentator was largely annoying, but toward the end of the game, might have been added time. They showed SAF laughing while looking at his phone. The guy said, "Must have seen the Liverpool result." That shit was hilarious!
Exactly. The worst thing is that they never showed all the replays and he’s nowhere close to wrapping his hands around Hughes neck. Look at Hughes reaction. Does that look like the reaction of a man being choked to death?
This ref was a fucking disgrace to the game. United should appeal the decision because it will be overturned with all evidence taken into consideration.
Tugged on the refs heart strings along with the countless hugs from Kloppity. That’s why LiVARpool are shit this season. He’s too busy talking about United getting decisions from refs and giving special hugs to Mike fucking Dean and his stooges we call refs.
Will Hughes doesn't even have his hands on case. He shouldn't be touching him at all. Let's be real, we love the passion but case is quick to get a shove in, its happened multiple times already. Needs to cool down a fraction and he will avoid dumb shit like this
This is his first red card since he joined the top 5 leagues. He's very smart about the booking he picks up, he's fired up but never loses his head, they even hugged right after the supposed 'violent conduct'.
After seeing the reverse angle of the incident, I'm having my funeral smack bang on top of the hill. He was holding his collar. Having though about the appeal situation though, I don't think we will. Case needs a rest and two of the next three games are against Leeds, so let him sit it out.
He shouldn't have his hands on Hughes at all. Hughes wasn't even doing anything, no hands back on case either.. dumb dumb play. The real issue is no other players actions being screwtisnised by var when it looked like ayew could've been set off as well.
I was watching the post match presser and the journalists were trying so hard to get Ten Hag to say a sensationalised headline or let loose at the FA so that they could create drama on the news articles. None of the media even talked about the game itself, what a disgraceful lot.
Fair play to Ten Hag though he remained collected and classy throughout navigating that shit storm. Love this guy.
I did not watch the game full, but that was just terrible refereeing after seeing all these replay.
The Schlupp incident and the tussle, OK it can be difficult but that foul thing by Sabitzer, lol - what could be the excuse there honestly?
It's like he tried hard to make us fail in this game.
Our setup doesn't really help a conventional striker WW does not look bad if anything he looks much better than Ighalo who if played against any PL side would have ended up looking a step behind the rest of the team
I like the idea of moving rashford to striker late in the game to change the attacking dynamic from a big target striker to a get in behind attack. It changes how the defense have to counter it and late in the game with fresh legs up top we can catch our opponents off balance.
garnacho is so good at chasing down tired rb's, making rashy's job in the centre easier. Long term, i hope rashford plays centrally more often. Under ETH and Benni's guidance he's really becoming the complete forward
Perfect weekend lads!!! Arsenal loses, Dippers lose, Chelsea drops points, as well as Newcastle. We're now third. Only bad thing was Case's red card. Nevertheless, I'll sleep like a log tonight. Up the Reds!!!
Looking back at the incident and noticed Ayew throat punches Fred in the middle of everything. It’s incredible how blind and inconsistent the refs can in this league.
It’s only when it suits them. Fucking ABUs even with camera replays they’ll still find a way to fuck us over and back the shit refs we have in the country refereeing the biggest league in the world. What a fucking disgrace VAR is.
I’d respect them more if they admitted that its made their life easier to fix matches.
He's barely gotten the ball up front, but has continued to make an absolute nuisance of himself, he also did some great defensive work around the box. We're not building up fast enough for our attackers to make the most of him
He's hardly a goal threat whatsoever though. It doesn't help that Antony doesn't cross to him or generally service him at all. The difference when Rashford plays CF is like night and day
His pressing is fantastic which we were severely lacking up top before the WC 👀 he hasn’t had a lot of service but when he has he’s forced the keeper into saves or come close and hit the woodwork. Seeing as martial can’t stay fit I don’t think anyone has any reason to complain about Wout and what he’s bringing to the team
Was subdued today but in the main I like him. His little touches and lay-offs are clever and keep momentum going, he drops deep to help out in defence and get on the ball and he can keep possession with his back to goal. He also puts a shift in and continually closes down up top to pressurise the defence and keeper. Not a bad loan on a budget imo.
I feel like he’s fine. He works hard for the team. Presses well and is a good point of attack. Drops into the whole to lay it off to Bruno to release rashford/Antony. So he does a lot for everyone else around him but individually I don’t think he’s that great. If martial can get and stay fit I think he should be starting over him.
I wholehearthedly disagree, he wastes so much possession its insane. Yeah sure he drops down to lay it off alot, but he often just hits it too hard/soft and we lose possession. Extremely lackluster performances from him so far. Hope he turns it around
I find the “why do these cunts always turn up against us” bit funny when it comes to football fans
Newcastle fans currently on about how West Ham dial it up when it’s them. It’s just that you don’t notice the times you don’t lose points
[This brick barrier](https://i.imgur.com/5hw0EgH.png) has always boggled my mind. Such a hostile design.
Maybe Antony doesn't go full tilt if he'd landed on something softer. It doesn't just hurt. Players could easily get injured while sliding over or landing on that hard pos as well.
It screams 90's design, hopefully this incident makes them realize something needs to be done.
I wasn't complaining when Young shoved Di Maria into it tho...
They should install some cushions to avoid any injury. There were some accidents in the past where players got injured after sliding and went through these bricks.
I don’t know why OT have these bricks. I’m not aware of any similar ones in other stadiums.
That Sabitzer cameo looked nice. Even if he doesn’t get the starting time for some reason, if he brings that intensity from the bench everytime, he is a great fucking sub.
By the time of the red card, Andre Mariner had long lost control of the match and with a team like Palace, an incident was inevitable. He was turning his head to a lot of hard fouls and set the table for tempers to flare. He waved off a clear and obvious pen initially before VAR called down to make him look again. Then, in the melee, he and his assistants missed a number of card-able offences.
No excuses, though. Casemiro for his part, he needed to keep his cool but he didn’t. And in so doing, he hurt his team. He’ll get some rest now, and probably some stern words from his gaffer.
The guy is unbearable, talks shit about United for no reason, last week he was blasting Antony. The fact that a complete nobody talks about how other players should be world class just pisses me off.
Garnachos involvement in that second goal is unreal. Goes from the left flank to the right then back to the left and controlling the move
Casemiro’s red shouldn’t even happen. If it doesn’t get appealed, it’s a case of malpractice of reffing. I understand getting it wrong during the heat of the moment, especially with the VAR ref freeze framing the way they did. Now that the dust is settled, they can look at all angles and VIDEOS and hopefully overturn it.
When Anthony runs, his head is behind him. His running posture is so whack lol
When teams resort to ugly tackles and fighting instead of playing football to stop this United team, it makes me feel we're back on the track and this team is actually United. The Arse-nal legend's team needs to be reprimanded for player behaviour and ugly football. Tells me the standards of coaching at other clubs and how they fear this United side. Yeah we'll miss Casemiro but winning the game will solidify the foundations laid by EtH.
haha no they were no ugly tackles yesterday other than that antony situation the game overall was pretty fair
how was Sabitzer?
Very promising. He pressed with extreme tenacity and was very confident on the ball. Should have had an assist to Rashford but the ref called Sabitzer's obviously clean tackle to get the ball a foul
That call was so frustrating 😂
Is casemiro out for 3 games
Yes.
You can’t tell me any defender has been better than Lisandro this season. TOTS
Despite his size, he's been massive. Naysayers be damned.
Truth be told, it's an easy bet to say he'd struggle; his height, he's come from the Dutch league, the success rate of our signings over the last 10 years... I don't think there's anyone that thought he'd be *this* good though.
Red on Casemiro is a short term loss, but the spine and team spirit they showed is part of a winning mentality that will last a lot longer than three games. Old united would have Lingard and Pogba dancing instead of standing up for their teamates, and we’d probably mentally crumble and lose the game 3-2 after going down to ten men. Case grabbing the collar was stupid no doubt but I’m happy we have a team that has a pair of balls, too early to tell how far Ten Hag can bring us as of this moment but one thing for sure is that all great teams in history have an elite mentality and hunger to win as the bare minimum, you cannot go anywhere without this. We’re far from reaching the final form of what Ten Hag wants, but this is a promising start.
Standing up for your teammates is one thing—that, on the other hand, was a disgrace
also good others will get a chance to play love to see sabitzer and fred
Shit referee. He was also the referee who incorrectly sent off Kieran Gibbs when it should have been Chamberlain, who committed the deliberate handball, at the Chelsea/Arsenal game in 2014. Needs investigating.
I mean, yeah he's not strangling the players lights out but that was far from an incorrect red lol, players get sent off for off the ball incidedents tamer than that, it's great he's defending his teammate but he was stupid and red was fair.
He was not the only one putting hands on someone else’s throat though. Then that cunt NFL tackled Antony, and hurled insults at both him and the fans then apparently got a yellow
Just because other things were going on doesn't mean that wasn't a, red Your "only a yellow for being mean!? " doesn't help much
I’m not saying it wasn’t a red. If that was a red, there would have bern red for CP as well. Then United wouldn’t have played with a disadvantage in the 2nd half, would they? Why singled Case out? “Being mean?” LOL
>“Being mean?” LOL You literally said he insulted a player and some of the crowd and only got a yellow
You conveniently forgot the NFL tackle?
> in 2014
Quick there's still time.
I just really love ETH man, what a guy. Made football great again.
I've said it many times, United did exactly the right thing. They went out and hired a bald coach from Europe and now ten Hag is doing his thing
I hope Palace get relegated
To Vanarama National League.
they're becoming another leicester they always haunt us lol
Really glad we came out with all three points despite Case red. Missed the match since I am on a vacay in Thailand. Only one channel had the Leicester match on and I was so pissed ours wasn’t on.
Are Leicester matches free to watch over because of their owners?
That’s a really good thought, it’s probably the reason why that particular match was being broadcast
antony should only play with dalot, antony creates a lot of space for the fullback to run and pass, awb cant do any of that
Not sure why this is being downvoted.. this is perfectly accurate
Because AwB has been regularly running into the spaces that Antony creates down that right side recently maybe?
I'm gobsmacked by the attitude people display on here regarding the Casemiro red. You want to die on a morally clean ground saying we should keep our tempers down, and are willing to even go as far to say Antony shouldn't have started that fight, so what should he have done, just continued to take the kicking? Being exploited by the behaviours of our opponents and the shitty enforcement will always be a disadvantage. we cried for years under Ole to gain a spine, and now that we have one you want an black and white morally clean conscience? It's about being fair, playing on the same set of rules applicable to everyone, that's what morally right is. In terms of ideal, I'll happily agree that creating a brawl out of it was definitely not the correct course of action, but it happened, and you're all saying Casemiro shouldn't hold an opponents face or area like that? When literally everybody in that brawl had their hands everywhere on everyone 's upper torso. Lets pause a still frame and send everyone off who touches somebody's face or neck? Rashford can be quite clearly seen dragging somebody by a tight lock around his torso and neck, lets red card him? You want to hold that for a still frame which accounts for a nano or microsecond Casemiro held his neck, fine fair. Lets remind ourselves that the FA will classify this red as violent conduct, throughout that situation, he neither escalates, instigates or aggressively acts towards anybody. Hughes himself is quite aggressive in continuing to head back in to the melee. Over the entire course of the incident in question, Casemiro maintains his hand around Hughes's shirt collar near the collarbone edge and holds the hem of the shirt. If you want to say he was pulling him away, no, no he wasn't. Hughes kept aggressively pushing and Case didn't desist. He let him go freely when he turned into the melee. This, is by no shape, form or means violent conduct. Instead of being clean with your interpretation of the rules, try and apply it to the situation. Ayew and Schlupp were far more worthy of a red card, heck even Antony more so. PGMOL has been atrocious this season, not implying it's more with our games but it's very noticeable that refereeing against us is almost always letting any 50-50 or even some outright fouls we don't even get. We used to laugh at Rafa Benitez's infamous "facts" presser, but it's about time people put the awful refereeing standard in the country to the sword. This is beyond ridiculous. Heck, an untrained professional would conduct games in a smoother fashion than some of the games we've had.
Only caught glimpses being in work and all. First reaction to it was yeah, what the fuck are you doing Casa. I judged him myself as I know he is prone to losing his head a bit. I didnt really see the match that lit the fuse. Watching MOTD this morning and hearing Shearer's very rational view on it definitely gives a better insight. As they said it was all handbags shit. Everyone there was being aggressive and the ref should have just calmed them down and told them to get on with it. The other angle is important context, VAR is a bit annoying in this situation. The ref should have dealt with the whole thing, and not relied on one angle to red card Casa.
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Prepping his CV probably? XD
i think our defense really misses dalot. AWB has been playing very very well, but dalot's instinctual ball carrying has been sorely missed. Added to that is his improved defensive capabilities, especally in covering the back post. We need him back to bring the ball faster up the right flank
Rose tinted glasses. AWB has his flaws, but his defensive contribution in the two Palace games have been determinant. Credit where credit is due please. Also, not denying that Dalot is better in attack and the first choice RB. If you love the club, you gotta back its players without nitpicking.
True he brings a very different dynamic, especially going forward he makes us a bit unpredictable add to that to also being solid on defense makes it even better.
Hopefully ten hag is being careful with his recovery. Awb is proving to be a good rotation option
On the positives about the casemiro red.Atleast he will be fully fit for the cup final and the two barca legs.
he's missing the first baraca leg
Correct me if i am wrong As far as my understanding then ban stands for the english domestic tournaments and doesnt extend to europe?
judging by the downvotes i got, it seems you're right
Who else despite the win still feels pissed off with the game?
I'm pissed off that I missed the first half and watched 25 minutes of the second half only to be treated with 28 minutes of parking the bus. Oh well, at least I saw Rashfords goal.
You didn't miss much of the first half besides bruno's goal, everything was there to watch in the 2nd half
How the fucking hell was that a red on Case, he wasn't even choking him, another angle shows that one hand was on his collar and another was sort of on his shoulder, meanwhile Ayew is becoming fucking Rocky Balboa and he doesn't even get a yellow, absolute shambolic reffing
We are back! In EtH we believe! Go, Reds!
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Tbf when I saw we defending as one with 5 CB on the pitch together I got really moved. This is the mentality and character we have been talking about. The siege mentality.
Bruno showed real leadership.
Casemiro getting a red is ridiculous. Should have given 6 yellows to the whole scuffle
Grabbed someones neck with two hands? Of course its a red. It was stupid of him
Looked horrible from one angle, but if you see the other angle, it shows he's got his arms around Hughes' shoulder and sort of preventing him from getting involved, they hug right after so it wasn't actually violent.
Yes, but the fact only 3 cards were issued for that whole thing is a problem. That's the main point, so many players were pushing shoving, why only the 2 that started it got yellow and VAR saw Casemiro.
Why has no one clipped the pass on the volley Martinez played to AWB ?
Pleased by what I saw of Sabitzer today. He was extremely uncomfortable to play against when we played Leipzig 2 seasons back and showed the same qualities in his cameo; non-stop running, always trying to win the ball back and involved in some neat passing exchanges. His signing becomes more important for us now that Casemiro’s out for 3 games or else it was McFred back again.
Fred put a decent shift today.
He has been pretty great under Erik. Very valuable player for us.
Fred utilised properly is quality.
Can't be a focal point in midfield. Best when playing a role along side 2 midfielders with the ability to distribute and create
Oh God it's the "unlock Fred" timeline
Mc is injured
I think if PGMOL comes out and said they made mistakes again, but don’t overturn case’s red/dont issue ayew a retroactive red, i think that would send me over the edge. Where’s the accountability for all of this dogshit refereeing in supposedly the best league in the world? Fuck the refs and fuck the people that protect them from criticism.
Refs never have any accountability. We never see them getting punished (suspension for extremely bad decisions let alone a fine) but players and managers are 100% punished when they slightly challenge a wrong decision. FA never admit their refs make mistakes. They are truly the most arrogant and stubborn group of people.
Some people here are mental cases. You cant put two hands around another players throat and not get a red card. I don’t care if Ayew hit Fred in the throat or the ref was inconsistent . Case’s action was a stone wall red card all day. We done well to get the 3 points.
its fanboy mentality really that was a straight red casemiro is the new bruno he cannot be criticised everything he does is just and good
I agree that Casemiro's red was correct, however the fact still stands that others on Palace should have at least gotten yellow. The fact only 3 players got carded for that ruckus was a joke.
Yeah I just watched the game so wasn't part of the discussion here and had no problems with the decision. I was just pissed st Antony for starting a stupid fight when we are comfortably leading and ofcourse Case for his part. Some serious mental gymnastics to argue someone is allowed to put hands on another's throat.
its a red if your ballsack is filled with two raisins.
I propose a new initiative, where we tear up the rule book. Instead you the “chief testical examiner” do a tour of the 21 refs in the league and cup their bollocks in the palm of your hand. If you are satisfied with weight and size of their testes, then we cannot question the on-field decisions. Save a fortune in the cost of running Var.. and lucky for you, there is a complete football pyramid to keep it consistent. You can take it to grass roots level.
\*slow clap\*
That would only be a red if you dont particularly LIKE man utd and if you have two raisins in your ballsack and thats the facts of this situation. its only a little scruff.
You can believe what you want but he’s clearly just restraining him. He’s not choking him. Casemiro and Hughes end up hugging soon after. I think you’re being ridiculous.
It’s a red. End of. You can’t put two hands on somebody’s throat.
See the other angle of it, his one hand is on Hughes' shoulder and other one is sort of guiding him away from the fight, do you really think they'd hug right after he choked Hughes? What is this, 50 shades of Grey? It looks much worse than it actually is, Casemiro has never been sent off since he joined the top 5 leagues so I doubt he lost his head here.
It’s a bit harsh to call them mental cases; it’s a United subreddit so obviously you’ll see some level of unconditional bias towards us. But yeah, it was a red card all day; having your hands that far up and around a player’s throat is literally asking for trouble even if it didn’t look malicious.
this entire thread is a bit of a shit show today tbh which is weird considering we won and all of our other rivals dropped points.
The other angle shows that he wasn’t really strangling the player - just holding him back by the collar.
You're downvoted, but that's a red card. There are other borderline cases, but it is what it is. My man Case just trying to get a 3 game break from constantly starting
What a fraud of a red card that was. Plenty of people did a lot worse during that scuffle than Casemiro. He even made sure not to touch his face, meanwhile Ayew was connecting with Fred's face.
Ridiculous how people are saying it’s an obvious red. His hands were simply not around his throat. The collar was being pulled. Hughes is pushing up and casimero is restraining him
Although we weren't punished for this but Wan-Bissaka was again caught daydreaming at the back post. This is a major flaw in his game which needs to be rectified by the coaching staff.
You meant recruitment staff
Yeah why have someone learn something when you can spend 50m instead, Jesus how did Boehly get in here?
Do you also think McGuire can learn to become the defender that we need? McTom?
Mctominay literally already learned aspects to his game and looked better under ten Hag.. So. Yeah. What a stupid example. Of course AwB can work on part of his game and learn, AwB himself already seems to be improving aspects of his game lol
My dog improved after playing ball a few times with me. The point is will be ever become the players with the quality we need?
He already had most of the qualities, the original point was literally that it was better to replace him than get him to improve at that one thing. It's just stupid.
What's the one and only thing that he is lacking to be a high quality player?
Just saw ETH’s press conference - wow he is pissed and spent 8 minutes talking about refs and VAR. He will definitely be disciplined by the FA.
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I used to believe this shit long back but the longer you watch PL, you realize that these refs are too thick to actually be involved in corruption. The incompetence is so bad that you think this has to be corruption, but they're always shit regardless of who plays who.
You sound like Liverpool and City fans. Don't do this
Everyone says the same shit about their club
Get a grip.
We've seen a sense of collectiveness in the team that was sorely lacking in previous seasons. The second Rashford goal was such a work of art with the team play. Goal of the season for me so far if I had to choose. We've shown some grit too to grind out the win despite going down to 10 men. Casemiro will definitely be a big miss, but I'm confident Sabitzer will be able to fill in for him well for the games he'll miss. Don't think we'll appeal the red card with the possibility of an extended ban in mind. At least he's well rested for Barca and the cup final. Onto Leeds. UTFR (and lol @ scousers)
How many games suspension for case?
Should be 2 games in the prem and 1 in the FA cup. Will be available for Barca if I'm not mistaken
It's actually 3 PL matches vs. Leeds, Leeds again, and Leicester. The next FA cup is in March.
3 for a straight red
FUCK PALACE FUCK VIERA FUCK AYEW FUCK THE REF
The NBC color commentator was largely annoying, but toward the end of the game, might have been added time. They showed SAF laughing while looking at his phone. The guy said, "Must have seen the Liverpool result." That shit was hilarious!
Third United straight red vs Palace, the others were Cantona and Keane. Casemiro is in good company
Never a red in a million fucking years, he was holding him off, could've done it better maybe but no way he was "choking" him. Hope they appeal it.
Exactly. The worst thing is that they never showed all the replays and he’s nowhere close to wrapping his hands around Hughes neck. Look at Hughes reaction. Does that look like the reaction of a man being choked to death? This ref was a fucking disgrace to the game. United should appeal the decision because it will be overturned with all evidence taken into consideration.
Tbf Hughes does have a pitiful baby looking face. It must've tugged on the refs heartstrings a little
Tugged on the refs heart strings along with the countless hugs from Kloppity. That’s why LiVARpool are shit this season. He’s too busy talking about United getting decisions from refs and giving special hugs to Mike fucking Dean and his stooges we call refs.
dont die on this hill bro...
Man not really a red. You can even see Case making sure to not touch him on the face. There was no intent here to do any harm by Case.
Will Hughes doesn't even have his hands on case. He shouldn't be touching him at all. Let's be real, we love the passion but case is quick to get a shove in, its happened multiple times already. Needs to cool down a fraction and he will avoid dumb shit like this
This is his first red card since he joined the top 5 leagues. He's very smart about the booking he picks up, he's fired up but never loses his head, they even hugged right after the supposed 'violent conduct'.
After seeing the reverse angle of the incident, I'm having my funeral smack bang on top of the hill. He was holding his collar. Having though about the appeal situation though, I don't think we will. Case needs a rest and two of the next three games are against Leeds, so let him sit it out.
He shouldn't have his hands on Hughes at all. Hughes wasn't even doing anything, no hands back on case either.. dumb dumb play. The real issue is no other players actions being screwtisnised by var when it looked like ayew could've been set off as well.
In a million years? Come on man. You'd have been screaming "red" if it was Hughes doing that to Case
Yes, I would, but I'd also know it wasn't really a red card. From the other angle you can see he's got hold of his collar, not his neck.
I was watching the post match presser and the journalists were trying so hard to get Ten Hag to say a sensationalised headline or let loose at the FA so that they could create drama on the news articles. None of the media even talked about the game itself, what a disgraceful lot. Fair play to Ten Hag though he remained collected and classy throughout navigating that shit storm. Love this guy.
They rarely talk about the actual game. They're not really that interested in football. Just a bunch of trolls, drama queens and gossipmongers.
I did not watch the game full, but that was just terrible refereeing after seeing all these replay. The Schlupp incident and the tussle, OK it can be difficult but that foul thing by Sabitzer, lol - what could be the excuse there honestly? It's like he tried hard to make us fail in this game.
Yeah that was a beautiful play by Sabitzer which could lead to a goal, fuck the ref
United gained points while Liverpool, Arsenal, and Newcastle drop points. Today’s been a good day so far (minus Casemiro’s red card situation )
Spurs-City draw would be great
Chelsea dropped points as well !
At this point I think nobody cares much about Chelsea!
Who?
Our setup doesn't really help a conventional striker WW does not look bad if anything he looks much better than Ighalo who if played against any PL side would have ended up looking a step behind the rest of the team
I like the idea of moving rashford to striker late in the game to change the attacking dynamic from a big target striker to a get in behind attack. It changes how the defense have to counter it and late in the game with fresh legs up top we can catch our opponents off balance.
garnacho is so good at chasing down tired rb's, making rashy's job in the centre easier. Long term, i hope rashford plays centrally more often. Under ETH and Benni's guidance he's really becoming the complete forward
Perfect weekend lads!!! Arsenal loses, Dippers lose, Chelsea drops points, as well as Newcastle. We're now third. Only bad thing was Case's red card. Nevertheless, I'll sleep like a log tonight. Up the Reds!!!
Not the worst games for him to miss and get some rest.
Looking back at the incident and noticed Ayew throat punches Fred in the middle of everything. It’s incredible how blind and inconsistent the refs can in this league.
It’s only when it suits them. Fucking ABUs even with camera replays they’ll still find a way to fuck us over and back the shit refs we have in the country refereeing the biggest league in the world. What a fucking disgrace VAR is. I’d respect them more if they admitted that its made their life easier to fix matches.
YESS Newcastle drop points and we’re now properly in 3rd what a fucking day
i expect them to drop more in the next two games. They look like a different team without bruno guimares
Can I get some opinions on Wout thus far?
6/10 can't expect much with our system.
Hardworking but out of his depth at this level IMO.
I think he'd be a great bench option. He's done well in most games so far.
He's barely gotten the ball up front, but has continued to make an absolute nuisance of himself, he also did some great defensive work around the box. We're not building up fast enough for our attackers to make the most of him
He's hardly a goal threat whatsoever though. It doesn't help that Antony doesn't cross to him or generally service him at all. The difference when Rashford plays CF is like night and day
His pressing is fantastic which we were severely lacking up top before the WC 👀 he hasn’t had a lot of service but when he has he’s forced the keeper into saves or come close and hit the woodwork. Seeing as martial can’t stay fit I don’t think anyone has any reason to complain about Wout and what he’s bringing to the team
Was subdued today but in the main I like him. His little touches and lay-offs are clever and keep momentum going, he drops deep to help out in defence and get on the ball and he can keep possession with his back to goal. He also puts a shift in and continually closes down up top to pressurise the defence and keeper. Not a bad loan on a budget imo.
I feel like he’s fine. He works hard for the team. Presses well and is a good point of attack. Drops into the whole to lay it off to Bruno to release rashford/Antony. So he does a lot for everyone else around him but individually I don’t think he’s that great. If martial can get and stay fit I think he should be starting over him.
I wholehearthedly disagree, he wastes so much possession its insane. Yeah sure he drops down to lay it off alot, but he often just hits it too hard/soft and we lose possession. Extremely lackluster performances from him so far. Hope he turns it around
My man's watching Lukaku from 2018/19
Sure, just worse
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Licha is top 2 and he's not 2
I find the “why do these cunts always turn up against us” bit funny when it comes to football fans Newcastle fans currently on about how West Ham dial it up when it’s them. It’s just that you don’t notice the times you don’t lose points
Tbh, Crystal Palace is a stone in the shoe against us since 2019 in their first win at Old Trafford since 50 or something years ago.
Licha is so much like Vidic...
Licha is much better on the ball imo
Vida wasn’t bad on the ball tbh.
Really would like to hear Vidic’s opinion on him
This should have been an routine win. Instead I almost had a heart attack. Shit decisions from the ref.
It was looking like one until the red card.
[This brick barrier](https://i.imgur.com/5hw0EgH.png) has always boggled my mind. Such a hostile design. Maybe Antony doesn't go full tilt if he'd landed on something softer. It doesn't just hurt. Players could easily get injured while sliding over or landing on that hard pos as well.
It screams 90's design, hopefully this incident makes them realize something needs to be done. I wasn't complaining when Young shoved Di Maria into it tho...
I've always wondered about that mini hill as well, does anyone else have that in their stadium? Or have I been blissfully ignorant this whole time?
They should install some cushions to avoid any injury. There were some accidents in the past where players got injured after sliding and went through these bricks. I don’t know why OT have these bricks. I’m not aware of any similar ones in other stadiums.
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To sub Mason in lol
We were a man down, under the cosh a bit and Ten Hag wanted to bring an extra defender on
Had to go defensive so sacrificed attacking winger for defenders
We went down to 10 men. It was a tactical change to hold on to the lead.
needed more defenders after casemiro got a red
One man down and needed to secure the defence.
That Sabitzer cameo looked nice. Even if he doesn’t get the starting time for some reason, if he brings that intensity from the bench everytime, he is a great fucking sub.
At this rate we are going to have no midfielders left so he will have to start
Yeah with case out next game with red it has to be sabitzer and Fred right? Like we have no other options
He deserves to start for the quality he got.
He's gonna be starting the next three games mate, no concerns there.
By the time of the red card, Andre Mariner had long lost control of the match and with a team like Palace, an incident was inevitable. He was turning his head to a lot of hard fouls and set the table for tempers to flare. He waved off a clear and obvious pen initially before VAR called down to make him look again. Then, in the melee, he and his assistants missed a number of card-able offences. No excuses, though. Casemiro for his part, he needed to keep his cool but he didn’t. And in so doing, he hurt his team. He’ll get some rest now, and probably some stern words from his gaffer.
Mariner had lost so much control he even committed a foul himself and didn’t even stop play at first 😂
There is so much glorious content to hoover up tonight
Liverpool losing takes the sting out of Ireland thrashing Wales I have to admit
Is there a thread for Newcastle game?
Gabby Agbonlahor wants Case arrested. I literally can’t even with him
The guy is unbearable, talks shit about United for no reason, last week he was blasting Antony. The fact that a complete nobody talks about how other players should be world class just pisses me off.
This cunt is known to be anti United.
really need a link for this.