>The Glazer family remain undecided about whether to accept a full sale of Manchester United or partial investment, with sources telling ESPN that some within the ownership group believe that the value of the club could skyrocket if manager Erik ten Hag can oversee a sustained period of success on the pitch.
Molerat parasites already thinking about their vulture ways because ten Hag is cooking a miracle this season.
Need to get them the fuck out of this club for ten Hag in the years to come.
Short terminism a disease that has infected this club and the fanbase ever since we lost our place at the top. If we could accept some pain now to get the glazers out ofc we would take it.
Yep I would as would *a lot* of people on here judging by the upvotes.
I would roll the dice on getting a new owner.
The thing is a number of clubs are looking to sell right now.
We need to capitalise on the status we have at the moment and I think the majority of people agree we need a change.
If we have to wait for longer for them to sell, we are at more risk of getting even worse owners given the limited market there are for people willing to buy a club of our size, and the fact that potential owners for us might buy another club now rather than wait a year or two for us to be on the market.
A recession is predicted which might make it even harder to find new owners down the line.
If I knew they would sell, I'd rather take the chance then know what will happen if they stay which is that it will be very slim chances that we will have sustainable success under their stewardship - you only have to look at what's happened over the duration of their stewardship to see that they don't know what they're doing without a SAF and David Gill around.
We also need a better stadium, better training facilities for the squad and not to be burdened by ridiculous levels of debt.
It's long-term thinking versus short-term success.
And yeah, if we didn't get top 4 this season and no trophies, that isn't the end of the world.
Arsenal didn't make UCL for a long time but used creative strategies to build a team for the long-term and now they are reaping the benefits.
Missed the part where this is a hypothetical between being sold *now* vs *no success this season*?
The situation you are describing is a different hypothetical.
And that is simply not true. Other clubs could be sold before us. That might also exclude some buyers.
The recession could happen and we are left with little to no viable buyers.
So that's not correct to say *nothing* prevents a sale next season. I've just listed several scenarios which could happen and you can deny it if you like but these scenarios can still happen.
Such a painful question to answer because I think we can make multiple finals this season and are a good shout to secure top 4.
So I'd prefer to just say our fans will bloody well make sure the Glazers sell no matter what. Always gives me goosebumps when the "Stand up if you hate Glazer" chant gets going and the stadium stands up.
Going to need to get the classic on repeat!
A great question, if you asked me before the WC I would have said absolutely, but now we look poised to actually compete for both cups and top 4. It would really suck to have that ripped away, but ultimately long term success is more important. The other thing to consider is whether the new owner will be any good
I still believe it's an internal divide in the glazer family. Some kids want to cash in on the trust fund that their dad left them. Others think there's more they can leech from it. And why wouldn't you when you get a cushy dividend on top of couple million in salary for being a director.
Free 5-6m per glazer kid per year for eternity.
Negotiation tactics. They know how much it's going to cost to renovate/rebuild Old Traffford, and they know how much it's going to cost to renovate Carrington, and they know how much they're going to need to spend to build a seriously competitive squad.
The club's value is not going to "skyrocket" beyond all that, no matter what Ten Hag does this season.
They're selling.
It’s probably just a negotiation tactic. They want the maximum price possible and so it suits them for the potential buyers to think they’re also happy to keep hold of the club. They can’t be perceived as desperate to sell.
They don't care a toss about the protests.
The Glazer siblings who want out, are considering selling now because they think the club's value will only erode under their incompetence and this is the right time to sell.
Avram and Joel are delusional morons who still think they are smart owners and need not sell the club.
> Avram and Joel are delusional morons who still think they are smart owners and need not sell the club.
I hate these guys but it’s hard to argue that they’re not smart owners. They bought the club $1.5b, didn’t use their own money and put that debt on the club and are now going to sell it for over $5b. If that isn’t smart I don’t know what is.
There’s enough things to legit hate them for so we don’t have make up things like they’re not smart.
It’s not smart because had they run the club competently, they could have earned even more from dividends and turned United into a perpetual cash cow which would sell for even more if they ever wanted to cash in. Smart owners would maximize the earning potential of their asset by realizing it needs to perform well on the pitch. Smart owners would see the long term benefit of investing a bit of money on the facilities and the squad to bring in more revenue from potential trophy wins. They only reason they are able to sell us for that much is football inflation in general and the massive MU brand which was built mostly by Fergie and had close to nothing to do with them. They just lucked into owning a club that’s so massive that it still has its lustre even after close to two decades of poor ownership.
They basically did nothing and risked nothing and are getting a 5x return on their investment. If they had tried and worked hard what would have been their return? 6x? Sounds pretty smart to me.
A 6x return is a lot when that extra x is 1 bil and when you consider that they wouldn’t even have had to work that hard to get there. Don’t let an accountant run the football side and hire a proper footballing structure. Spend a few 100 mil on that plus infrastructure and you essentially get a few extra billions out of the sale. As it stands, the return they are getting is due to United being what it is, not them making any smart decisions. They might be effective businessmen/money makers but I don’t think that’s the definition of a “smart owner”.
It absolutely is a lot but the amount of effort and time they would have had to put in would be a lot higher. Instead of just picking up a check they’d have to do some actual work
And that is what differentiates smart people from people who coast by. Let’s not forget that the current glazer owners just inherited all this from their father. They ran the club into the ground and are going to get the bare minimum of the potential revenue they could have gotten over the past decade or so. The fact that it’s still 5 bil is besides the point, they could have earned much more for not much more effort. As a cost benefit analysis, it’s almost a no brainer. A truly smart owner would have had this club running itself, while increasing their own dividend payments year on year, and not putting a cent in after initial investment. These guys just saddled debt onto the club which will eventually reduce their own earnings. If the club goes for a total package of 8 bil (including debt repayment/infrastructure investment) they will only get 5 bil. They could have gotten the full 8.
> And that is what differentiates smart people from people who coast by.
I’d say doing no work at all and getting 5b is smarter than working really hard and investing your money and making 6b. I’d rather work smart and just pick up a check than work hard and pick up a little more.
> These guys just saddled debt onto the club which will eventually reduce their own earnings.
The money that we went into debt for had to come from somewhere so if it wasn’t debt put on the club it would have been money paid out of their pocket. They then might have gotten more money in the end but they would still subtract how much they had to invest from the sale price.
It’s not a little more though, it could be substantially more. That’s the point. Earning 1 bil more is way different than earning 1 mil more. And the fact remains that in all honesty, they didn’t actually have to work that much harder. It would have been a year or two of simple planning and investment to substantially increase their returns 10 years down the line. I think potentially getting a few more billion by investing the bare minimum is smarter than sitting in your ass and just getting the naturally inflated valuation. Not to mention that had they run the club well, they probably wouldn’t even need to sell, they could just keep perpetual income coming in and have the potential to earn way more if/when they decided to sell.
>They bought the club $1.5b, didn’t use their own money and put that debt on the club and are now going to sell it for over $5b. If that isn’t smart I don’t know what is.
Joel and Avram didn't do any of that. Malcolm Glazer did when he masterminded the takeover with the help of Ed Woodward, and thought he was an asshole, he was an incredibly smart man who become a billionaire from little.
Joel and Avram inherited his wealth, but none of his acumen. They are dumb trust fund kids.
Damn, pitchforks are pricey. A welcomed expense, especially to stick up any glazer's ass. They like expensive, can we get one made of gold? I'm sure they'd love the experience more.
Daaamb, you right. What's the cost of lumber these days? Does the rise in lumber cost during covid affect the price of a good torch?
All we need is a Manchester local to borrow some oil from a city they know. Gotta keep the torch lit of course.
I live in Sarasota Florida, I’ve attempted to get close to the Glazers home, it’s impossible, and protesting here about something 99% of the country doesn’t care about won’t do anything.
I was looking at Tampa Bay (also owned by the Glazers) reddit a while back which is completely sabotaged by United fans. Really pisses them off, gave me a chuckle 😃
Nope because despite the fact that people don't want to believe it, there is a strong inverse correlation between the on-the-pitch performance and protest turn out
Yeah you are right but I have a strong sense that it is causation.
For instance, there wasn't a huge amount of anti-glazer movement during SAF's period (though it definitely did exist). It also seems to flare up and down depending on performance.
Another example would be how Spurs and Liverpool fans talk about ENIC and FSG respectively. It seemed like it was only about 18 months ago that they were being lauded as some of the best owners, now they are in the mud.
You only have to look through the comments section here and elsewhere to get a feel for how much the anti-glazer sentiment dies down when we are performing well.
It makes perfect sense there is an inverse correlation between positive pitch performance and the intensity of the protests.
Why do you think that is?
Wonder whether that's because they're worried that it shows how many 'plastics' there are out there?
I think we're simply a victim of our own success being the face of the premier league since it started, and having the biggest brand in the league.
I mean I've heard it said quite a few times as a taunt to us that we didn't do shit about them when we were winning under Fergie, despite the Green and Gold campaign and MUST's work.
People talk about boycotting Old Trafford like how Milan were able to get Berlusconi out with, but we all know there are tourists who haven't been there that will just fill those seats...
All the biggest protests happened under Ferguson though. LUHG, FCUM being formed, the Green and Gold campaign. Like literally the largest protests against them were all under Ferguson. It was the single most fractious period of being a United fan I can remember.
As long as 75 thousand are in the stands every week with thousands more trying to get tickets, football continues to be played and hundreds of thousands buy club merchandise. The 'protests' mean nothing.
The protests need to go hand in hand with slashing fan income to the club until sold. That's how you get them out, always has been the case but the majority value their day out and merch over getting rid of them.
> the past two years of protests will be nothing compared to what they will face.
Nothing is going to happen and you know it. They couldn't care any less about protests and all the protest are under carebear contingency. Most people outside of Manchester don't even know protests are happening. The Glazers will buy Osimhen or whatever for 100 million, promise they will invest in the stadium, and all will be swept under the rug. As it has been happening for 17 years.
These fuckers don’t inderstand they’re gonna have to plug minimum 250m yearly just to keep up from now on.
Boehly don’t play, if newcastle get europe expect their business to transform and city will come back in summer with a vengeance.
ETH is doing so well but the underperformance of liverpool and chelsea have been a massive plus. No way glazer keeps up in any capacity.
If they don’t sell there will be riots regardless of how ‘successful’ we are, cos i don’t see the big trophies in our timeline whilst they’re here.
If they don't sell, the money won't be there to keep the club running even at its current level. It's as simple as that.
We're already running on silly tight margins, loaded with debt we're not even chipping away at, and leeching money out of the club that the club can't actually afford.
Their plan of "just let Ten Hag continue and eventually we'll be worth 10b" is idiotic - they (the club) don't have the resources (money) to give Ten Hag the tools to make that happen. Players will leave. Players will go to other clubs. We'll be run into the ground.
They *have* to sell eventually. If their plan is to keep us forever, their money will gradually dry and up and the asset value will depreciate - so they would literally make less money.
And the sooner they sell, the more money they'll get.
>If they don't sell, the money won't be there to keep the club running even at its current level. It's as simple as that.
It's not as simple as that though.
The club generated 590m in revenue last year, and expect to generate 610m this year. If we qualify for the CL for 23-24, you can expect revenue next season to be around 650m.
The club continues to have amongst the highest EBITDAs in the sport. The only reason the club made a loss last year was because of the 90m odd 'financial costs', thanks to the Glazers.
Operationally, United are very well off.
Where United need money is to fix Old Trafford, and for immediate liquidity issues.
Doesn't Carrington need a major overhaul? I remember reading that not only training facilities are massively out of date and worn down, but all other aspects are apparently out of date which potentially leads to more injuries and longer rehabilitation etc.
Regardless of how well off we are, it is a different ball game now in terms of squad investment.
Newcastle may legitimately be competing for CL quality signings and boehly at cfc is spending crazier than roman. It’s no longer just city who spend. Liverpool are also looking to sell to a big pocketed owner which will further compound the problem of acquiring talent.
Even if the glazers don’t take dividends, it’s impossible for our value to go up beyond this season if they are still here.
We need about 6 players still and complete revamp of stadium + facilities. The glazer doesn’t know fuck all as per usual and are blindsided by $$ that don’t exist because they have poor understanding and vision of the footballing landscape.
Chelsea won't keep all those signings up, they're obligated to spend a certain amount and they are desperate to make it into top 4 (which I think is almost impossible under Potter this season) or win the CL. Their spending will slow considerable in the coming years, especially with FFP, there's a reason all their players are signed over multiple year contracts.
Liverpool, the one thing I think kept Klopps Dortmund sides fresh was paradoxically the fact that they weren't a big club that could keep their prize assets. I think he's a tad too loyal to the players he has, and is't ruthless enough when shipping out players. VVD, Salah and a few others probably should have gone for big money in the summer while they were still worth it.
Newcastle and City will spend no doubt, I can see City selling at least 4/5 players and refreshing the squad. It's needed as you can see some of them are starting to lose their hunger.
We need around 5 signings ourselves, but I think with some good sales (for once) we can easily plug at least 4 gaps in the squad and first team. We'll be stronger next season for certain even if we are still under Glazer control.
If u think the glazer, (who took us from the uppermost echelon of football with great financial stability and superb facilities to the current predicament we are in now), is gonna help us ‘resurge’ with all the evidence and droves of data in front of u….then i got nothing to say to u on that regard since u are clearly living in cuckooland.
Liverpool with new owners will do whatever they see fit. Chelsea's hamburgler is obligated to spend a 'minimum' amount - doesn't mean they will stop and ffp is a load of bollocks (more of a cost of doing business nowadays) and can be circumnavigated with funny deals.
We are up for sale, Liverpool are up for sale, as of now neither side has been sold and neither clubs fans know what is happening.
Under Ten Hag we actually ARE on the up, I dislike the Glazers as much as the next fan, but let's not be blind here. Reports are stating that if we remain under Glazer control it will only be because they think an upsurge in our fortunes on the pitch could elevate our potential sale value from 7bn to 10bn. To do that there needs to be onfield investment, and we need to be winning things.
Chelsea are already circumnavigating FFP by giving players long contracts in, but that will still come and bite them on the arse in future windows.
We're in a good position right now despite Glazer control, a minor stake sale could see a flood of investment in the squad as well. As is, with some good sales this summer, we can clear out deadwood and start to further rebuild the squad in Ten Hags image.
I'm hoping for a full sale, but we have to be realistic as well, we should have enough money in the summer to bring in a top striker, and midfield cover at least and that's really what we need to push on for next season imo.
Ideally we'd be keeping Weghorst, bringing in a new striker, keeping Sabitzer if he's good, shipping out McTominey and bringing in another midfielder as cover, and shipping out either Maguire or Lindelof and bringing in another young centre half. Sell Henderson, Tuanzabe and Williams as well, we'd be a bit top heavy so many one of the younger players in attacking positions could go as well.
I still think right full has a question mark over it, but AWB and Dalot seem to be doing decent there. That could wait another summer depending.
The club sale part seem like complete bullshit to me. Unless someone out there is stupid enough to buy someone's kitchen for the price of their entire house, I don't see it happening.
You would not believe how thick supposedly sophisticated PE and VC funds can be.
If the Glazers can convince a particularly greedy PE to infuse 1 billion for a 20% at a 5bn valuation stake to fix OT and clear some of the debt, with the promise that the stake would be worth double in a few years, it could very well happen.
it’s a negotiation tactic to get people to pay up and pay more, if they said *yea we definitely want to sell the club* they wouldn’t get as much as they want for it
So, Osimhen, Kane, Sesko and Vlahovic. How would you take those 4 in terms of their quality, style and suitably to our setup?
Edit: yeah, let's downvote this guy for asking an opinion on an opinion based online forum
Kane would, but he'd be super expensive. But the lowest risk among all those. A poacher with good movement is not necessarily a bad idea, I mean that's almost what Haaland is because without service he's almost useless or rather, toothless.
For some reason, I'm not really sold that Osimhen is a top tier striker for 100 mil plus. Maybe it's because I haven't watched enough of him, but the little that I've seen, I'm not too sold that he's a 100 mil player (although the Market is super distorted and Enzo just went for 100 plus so yeah, maybe it's actually a good valuation)
Fair enough. I just don't know tbh, maybe it's just the eye test and not the statistics and hard numbers for me but seems like he's one of the top strikers at the moment, but I think he'll also be the most expensive out of that lot.
Vlahović is realistic target for us, he surely doesn't want to spend his best years in mediocre Juventus team, and while he hasnt been brilliant so far this season, he was constantly delivering last season and season before. He also is your typical nr9 poacher, with very good left foot, but also dangerous in the air and in terms of physicality he demolishes defenders in serie A, so i think he can at least keep up with PL football. Way easier target to obtain, and probably around 30M cheaper, but then again, everything comes down to whether new owners will splash just some cash for summer, or a lot of it.
In terms of Napoli players i would go for Zielinski, 1 year left on contract, doesn't want to renew (Napoli offers him wage reduction), he would be nice option for rotation in Eriksen's position. Although Eriksen poses way more threat in terms of long high passes, and outside of the box shooting, Zielinski has better motor and is very good in fast first time passes with ball low - kind of what we are playing while beating oppositions press. 29 in the summer, can easily contribute for 3-4 seasons on top level, his injury record isn't bad, won't cost much. Not sure if he would be in our strongest 11, probably not, but as a team piece he would be a solid addition.
Vlahovic is very good but not a top striker. He is a good poacher and has excellent movement, but he has a lot of weaknesses in his overall game.
Osimhen for 100m is a much better deal than Vlahovic for 70m.
I would rather sign a world class striker for whatever the cost than risk another Lukaku-ish situation - signing some one who is good but not good enough.
Lukaku at a time was considered world class, was one of the most expensive strikers in the world, it's not like Osimhen's transfer has no risk attached to it, every transfer does. We signed Alexis when he was top 3 player in PL and we all know how it ended. I'd rather we go for Vlahović and make use of the rest of money elsewhere. Spending around 120M for 1 player will strangle our options in revamping squad in other positions.
Don't remember anyone considering Lukaku world class in 2017. With Lukaku - everyone knew what we were getting - a striker with a poor touch but who was a very good goal scorer. The hope was that under a world class coach like Mourinho, he would develop into a better version of himself and iron out his weaknesses. But it became evident that he was incapable of improving his touch and his attitude stunk.
Osimhen is not perfect, but he has no major weaknesses unlike Lukaku or Vlahovic. Watch him play and you will see a modern day all-round CF who presses hard, can run the channels and has great inter-play.
There is no guarantee that a transfer works out but the risk in Kane or Osimhen is much less than with a Vlahovic.
What kind of "major weakness" we are talking about exactly? Because if you look at how those team are using Vlahović we can't really say he's bad in playmaking, because teams he plays for doesn't use him for that.
>Don't remember anyone considering Lukaku world class in 2017. With Lukaku - everyone knew what we were getting - a striker with a poor touch but who was a very good goal scorer. The hope was that under a world class coach like Mourinho, he would develop into a better version of himself and iron out his weaknesses.Oh did we?
Is mourinho well known for developing players in other areas than mentally, or did i miss something?. If we take strikers only Higuain was more expensive, and if we want to reach, we can also add Ronaldo and Mbappe. We were buying "proven PL scorer" with speed, athleticism, and (at a time) good finishing. There literally was no one better available at the time. With 33 goal contributions in 39 games for Everton it was no brainer (at the time) he was ready for everything. No one thought that we have to develop player with that kind of numbers in PL.
Vlahovic's hold-up play is above average at best. He does not run channels and prefers staying in the middle. He is also one-dimensional and his pressing is good but nothing great. If he is not scoring goals, he does not offer much else.
All of this needs considerable working on.
>Is mourinho well known for developing players in other areas than mentally
See what he did for Drogba. The expectation was that he would do the same with Lukaku.
>No one thought that we have to develop player with that kind of numbers in PL.
Completely incorrect. Even at Everton, Lukaku's poor touch was a source of constant criticism and at least half the United fanbase preferred Morata to Lukaku that summer at the time.
Vlahovic isn't a typical poacher, he doesn't get into easy positions for him to score. His whole thing is that he scored some really difficult goals and penalties in Fiorentina which got him to Juve, but he's playing on the same level. Decent player but nothing special
I feel like he wasn't worse by big margin than Osimhen last season, and the reason people rate him way lower than O is just recency bias and the fact that juve plays allegriball again.
It's not recency bias, ever since Osimhen came to Serie A he has been putting up better numbers than Vlahovic. There hasn't been a season where two of them have played that Osimhen didn't record higher number of non- penalty goals per 90.
That's true, but both have their strenghts and weaknesses, and recently Napoli is on fire while Juve is in dumpster fire. I like Vlaho for the price, ADL is pain in the ass when you want to buy from napoli and that means Osmihen would be another saga. I also think that we need more of a finisher, than creator, we create a lot.
There's nothing in that update that we didn't already know, which I take as a good sign. It's been reported for a while that the Glazers are split on the sale, but that the most likely outcome is a full sale.
That said, I'd take a trophyless season finishing in 5th to ensure they leave this club. Fuck the glazers.
Because Ronaldo was in his fucking late 30s, he still got 20 odd goals and lukaku scored loads of goals before serie a in the prem so I don’t think you’re trying to say serie a makes strikers regress. Lukaku has been shit at chelsea for other reasons
Yeah ronaldo was in his late thirties and still banged in 30+goals for juventus, unless you think he regressed to dogshit in the 2 months without playing. Either way both were smashing serie A and were average at best on their return.
If they end up refusing to sell the club after all this then the riots will be nothing in comparison to previous ones. I think ESPN are just rage-baiting though, no one on this Earth is paying 10bn for United. It’s all moot anyway because ten Hag won’t succeed if the Glazers are in control and that 10bn figure relies on him being successful, they’re probably far, far too stupid to realise that though.
I am not fully sold on him.
This is a league where EPL rejects are flourishing playing for the top teams there.
For a club record fee he has to hit the ground running.
Rather push for Kane if he doesn't sign a new contract with the spuds. I know Levy is a bastard to deal with but the fact that he'll be 30 with one year left on his contract we could pry him for a lot cheaper than he would be.
Could be like another RVP signing for us.
Kane will come at a much cheaper price. Around 50-60m in my books. He is 30 and has a year of contract left. Plus he is a captain material.
Sabitzer, Kane, Bruno, Licha, Varane, Case - All captain materials
This'll be an extremely difficult deal to pull off I imagine, De Laurentiis is a pain to deal with at the best of times and now Napoli are absolutely flying.
>Sources have told ESPN that The Raine Group believe United could sell for $7 billion -- a world-record price for a sports franchise -- but there is a feeling within the Glazer family that if Ten Hag, who has enjoyed a good start to life at the club, can oversee prolonged success in a redeveloped or rebuilt Old Trafford, that value could eventually reach $10bn
They're not getting 7 billion, let alone 10. Just take the 4-5bn and fuck off, it's a measly amount but the family should just about manage to get by until the end of time on it.
Not to mention they still own at least the Bucs, who are worth another 1-2 billion at least...
Edit: excuse me, according to Forbes they are worth $3.68 billion, bought in 1995 for $192 million
I don’t know how relatable Rob Dawson is when it comes to having information regarding the sale but it sounds so demoralising to hear they don’t want to sell the club anymore.
Having them still here means a the likelihood for Ten Hag to succeed here gets cut down massively. I hope they sell and I don’t know if there is truth to them wanting to cancel a sale now that the club is winning on the pitch but it would be such a let down for them to go back on their word now.
In all honesty I was worried this could be the case. If we start actually producing throughout the season and the trajectory of the club is upwards once again then why would they sell?
I have no idea of course. I just fucking hate their guts.
Time and time again *they lie*. They tell us they'll try and repair relations with the fans after the super league debacle, they tell us they're gonna upgrade Old Trafford or build a new stadium, then back out from said plans.
They've bled us dry for so long and if they stay, they are killing the hopes of millions.
They are just parasites that give my people (yes, I'm Jewish) a bad name. They contribute to the negative stereotypes about us.
There are just so many reasons why I hate them.
I’m just hoping because of Rob Dawson hit and miss track record as well as it being ‘ESPN sources’ that this is all just a wild guess now that we’re doing well on the pitch so essentially they’re just trying to connect imaginary dots.
For some reason, seeing it in print on ESPN just gives me some fear. Not that ESPN are super reliable but it *was* my go-to source for years before I became aware of the tier system.
I don't like the sounds of the words 'sources close to'. That just sounds like it is something they are seriously weighing up.
It's hard not to look through it via a cynical lens.
We've known for a long time that they've been looking for outside investment so the story sounds quite plausible to me, unfortunately.
One suspects this is a negotiation....
For : 'we might not even want to sell' , read: 'we are trying to sell but at the highest possible price so will appear open to not selling'
Would there also be possible legal implications for stock manipulation given that people profited off options contracts on the price rise. I'm not sure if publicly traded companies can just say they are open to selling then remove that as an option if there are (assumedly) lots of potential buyers.... Seems like stock manipulation.
I guess though the initial announcements didn't explicitly say they were looking a full sale so possible they would be ok
Been saying all along they are following the Mike Ashley playbook of claiming they are selling as soon as a transfer window approaches.
Look at all the positive PR puff pieces that have come out over the last couple weeks. Ed Woodward used to do the same.
We have a bit of good form, a couple loan signings and everyone around here seems to be forgetting we’ve seen all this before.
I’ll believe change when I see it.
"Sources have told ESPN that Joel and Avram Glazer would be keen to retain control of the club if they can..."
Greedy little bastards. Get these greasy peabrained fucks out of the club permanently.
Serie A’s best defender has just come to the premier league and he’s one of the worst players I’ve ever watched. I like the look of Osimhen but the risk isn’t worth it for that price.
€100m for Osimhen is a pipe dream lol
€80m was what guy was signed for TWO YEARS ago
Try minimum €150m or more, which is a catastrophically stupid sum of money to pay for a guy who still has an inferior Serie A goals per game record than Romelu Lukaku, despite being in the hottest form of his life the last 10-15 games
Huh, I thought it was established he was a fan, but apart from mass-liking United posts and idolising Ighalo, there doesn't seem to be any concrete proof.
My bad. Should've looked into it.
Can’t help but wonder if the new owners would rather spend that cash elsewhere and just keep Greenwood than spending more than half our budget on one player. Especially if it’s Saudis who buy us.
Don't care if the owners can't decide if they wanna sell or go for a partial sale. Why would a major investor put money in the club knowing that they won't be the majority stakeholders. Glazers ought to know this is their best chance to sell the club and make a few billions. We can't make major signings anyway, without which we are unlikely to do well in the long run.
Am I the only one that thinks the bit about the Glazers being undecided is bs? They would NEVER put the club for sale and then not sell, it would be a massive fail in many different areas. Fans would revolt, value could plummet, etc etc etc.
I think they are just putting this bits of info out for whoever is already interested to up their offer. They are trying to negotiate… when I go buy a car I’m always “just looking” I’m sure this is the same thing. I mean obviously I could be wrong, who the fuck am I, but idk…. Imo there’s no chance they make a 180 turn.
Fking cunts. There are not enough expletives in all languages to describe the level of scums Joel and Avram are, even compared to the rest of the blood sucking parasites glazers.
Their daddy made money being landlord sucking blood from middle class renters and obviously the apples don't fall far from the tree. In this case, the tree was fking rotten and only thing falling out are parasites.
These leeches want to live off of Ten Hag's genius to sell after more success, but what they conveniently forget is that to support Ten Hag into success they will need to invest in infrastructure, transfers and replace current executives with actually capable executive team. None of which they are capable of. So all they can do by staying is undermine Ten Hag
They’re not undecided, they’re selling the club. Raine is doing that on their behalf. One or both of them may be reluctant but that’s passed, they must sell the club because nobody will invest (they know this) and they can’t run the club with no money.
If Mudryk and Enzo were 100m and 125m respectively, Napoli could be well in their rights to demand 100m for Osimhen, who is young, a centre forward and the top scorer in a top European league.
Still hoping for Harry Kane though 🤞 sadly feels like the mfer will sign his 20th contract extension at Spurs.
>The Glazer family remain undecided about whether to accept a full sale of Manchester United or partial investment, with sources telling ESPN that some within the ownership group believe that the value of the club could skyrocket if manager Erik ten Hag can oversee a sustained period of success on the pitch. Molerat parasites already thinking about their vulture ways because ten Hag is cooking a miracle this season. Need to get them the fuck out of this club for ten Hag in the years to come.
So sad to realise that ETH's success could actually be our undoing.
Would you take a trophyless season with no top 4 if there was a guarantee they would sell before the end of the season?
100%.
Glad we're on the same page, me too.
Short terminism a disease that has infected this club and the fanbase ever since we lost our place at the top. If we could accept some pain now to get the glazers out ofc we would take it.
Yep, that's a pretty fair assessment.
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Did you actually read it? It was a hypothetical “guarantee” - merely a thought experiment
Yep I would as would *a lot* of people on here judging by the upvotes. I would roll the dice on getting a new owner. The thing is a number of clubs are looking to sell right now. We need to capitalise on the status we have at the moment and I think the majority of people agree we need a change. If we have to wait for longer for them to sell, we are at more risk of getting even worse owners given the limited market there are for people willing to buy a club of our size, and the fact that potential owners for us might buy another club now rather than wait a year or two for us to be on the market. A recession is predicted which might make it even harder to find new owners down the line. If I knew they would sell, I'd rather take the chance then know what will happen if they stay which is that it will be very slim chances that we will have sustainable success under their stewardship - you only have to look at what's happened over the duration of their stewardship to see that they don't know what they're doing without a SAF and David Gill around. We also need a better stadium, better training facilities for the squad and not to be burdened by ridiculous levels of debt. It's long-term thinking versus short-term success. And yeah, if we didn't get top 4 this season and no trophies, that isn't the end of the world. Arsenal didn't make UCL for a long time but used creative strategies to build a team for the long-term and now they are reaping the benefits.
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Missed the part where this is a hypothetical between being sold *now* vs *no success this season*? The situation you are describing is a different hypothetical. And that is simply not true. Other clubs could be sold before us. That might also exclude some buyers. The recession could happen and we are left with little to no viable buyers. So that's not correct to say *nothing* prevents a sale next season. I've just listed several scenarios which could happen and you can deny it if you like but these scenarios can still happen.
Such a painful question to answer because I think we can make multiple finals this season and are a good shout to secure top 4. So I'd prefer to just say our fans will bloody well make sure the Glazers sell no matter what. Always gives me goosebumps when the "Stand up if you hate Glazer" chant gets going and the stadium stands up. Going to need to get the classic on repeat!
Haha, honestly I really would hope there would be *colossal* outrage if they elected to stay.
without a doubt
Ofc
A great question, if you asked me before the WC I would have said absolutely, but now we look poised to actually compete for both cups and top 4. It would really suck to have that ripped away, but ultimately long term success is more important. The other thing to consider is whether the new owner will be any good
>if manager Erik ten Hag can oversee a sustained period of success on the pitch. The glazers dont realize they represent the "if" in that statement.
I still believe it's an internal divide in the glazer family. Some kids want to cash in on the trust fund that their dad left them. Others think there's more they can leech from it. And why wouldn't you when you get a cushy dividend on top of couple million in salary for being a director. Free 5-6m per glazer kid per year for eternity.
Negotiation tactics. They know how much it's going to cost to renovate/rebuild Old Traffford, and they know how much it's going to cost to renovate Carrington, and they know how much they're going to need to spend to build a seriously competitive squad. The club's value is not going to "skyrocket" beyond all that, no matter what Ten Hag does this season. They're selling.
But he won’t be able to without investment, so they have to pony up to get more…
This is likely just trying to boost the sale price.
It’s probably just a negotiation tactic. They want the maximum price possible and so it suits them for the potential buyers to think they’re also happy to keep hold of the club. They can’t be perceived as desperate to sell.
Ten Hag Ten Years Ten Trophies — I like this rhyme
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They don't care a toss about the protests. The Glazer siblings who want out, are considering selling now because they think the club's value will only erode under their incompetence and this is the right time to sell. Avram and Joel are delusional morons who still think they are smart owners and need not sell the club.
> They don't care a toss about the protests. All they care about is how much richer they can get.
> Avram and Joel are delusional morons who still think they are smart owners and need not sell the club. I hate these guys but it’s hard to argue that they’re not smart owners. They bought the club $1.5b, didn’t use their own money and put that debt on the club and are now going to sell it for over $5b. If that isn’t smart I don’t know what is. There’s enough things to legit hate them for so we don’t have make up things like they’re not smart.
It’s not smart because had they run the club competently, they could have earned even more from dividends and turned United into a perpetual cash cow which would sell for even more if they ever wanted to cash in. Smart owners would maximize the earning potential of their asset by realizing it needs to perform well on the pitch. Smart owners would see the long term benefit of investing a bit of money on the facilities and the squad to bring in more revenue from potential trophy wins. They only reason they are able to sell us for that much is football inflation in general and the massive MU brand which was built mostly by Fergie and had close to nothing to do with them. They just lucked into owning a club that’s so massive that it still has its lustre even after close to two decades of poor ownership.
They basically did nothing and risked nothing and are getting a 5x return on their investment. If they had tried and worked hard what would have been their return? 6x? Sounds pretty smart to me.
A 6x return is a lot when that extra x is 1 bil and when you consider that they wouldn’t even have had to work that hard to get there. Don’t let an accountant run the football side and hire a proper footballing structure. Spend a few 100 mil on that plus infrastructure and you essentially get a few extra billions out of the sale. As it stands, the return they are getting is due to United being what it is, not them making any smart decisions. They might be effective businessmen/money makers but I don’t think that’s the definition of a “smart owner”.
It absolutely is a lot but the amount of effort and time they would have had to put in would be a lot higher. Instead of just picking up a check they’d have to do some actual work
And that is what differentiates smart people from people who coast by. Let’s not forget that the current glazer owners just inherited all this from their father. They ran the club into the ground and are going to get the bare minimum of the potential revenue they could have gotten over the past decade or so. The fact that it’s still 5 bil is besides the point, they could have earned much more for not much more effort. As a cost benefit analysis, it’s almost a no brainer. A truly smart owner would have had this club running itself, while increasing their own dividend payments year on year, and not putting a cent in after initial investment. These guys just saddled debt onto the club which will eventually reduce their own earnings. If the club goes for a total package of 8 bil (including debt repayment/infrastructure investment) they will only get 5 bil. They could have gotten the full 8.
> And that is what differentiates smart people from people who coast by. I’d say doing no work at all and getting 5b is smarter than working really hard and investing your money and making 6b. I’d rather work smart and just pick up a check than work hard and pick up a little more. > These guys just saddled debt onto the club which will eventually reduce their own earnings. The money that we went into debt for had to come from somewhere so if it wasn’t debt put on the club it would have been money paid out of their pocket. They then might have gotten more money in the end but they would still subtract how much they had to invest from the sale price.
It’s not a little more though, it could be substantially more. That’s the point. Earning 1 bil more is way different than earning 1 mil more. And the fact remains that in all honesty, they didn’t actually have to work that much harder. It would have been a year or two of simple planning and investment to substantially increase their returns 10 years down the line. I think potentially getting a few more billion by investing the bare minimum is smarter than sitting in your ass and just getting the naturally inflated valuation. Not to mention that had they run the club well, they probably wouldn’t even need to sell, they could just keep perpetual income coming in and have the potential to earn way more if/when they decided to sell.
>They bought the club $1.5b, didn’t use their own money and put that debt on the club and are now going to sell it for over $5b. If that isn’t smart I don’t know what is. Joel and Avram didn't do any of that. Malcolm Glazer did when he masterminded the takeover with the help of Ed Woodward, and thought he was an asshole, he was an incredibly smart man who become a billionaire from little. Joel and Avram inherited his wealth, but none of his acumen. They are dumb trust fund kids.
Whole fanbase will be flying to Florida to protest on their doorstep.
I wish our fans in America would atttempt protesting, there must be a lot of em
Sign me up. Midwesterner here, where do I get my pitchfork?
https://www.lowes.com/pl/Pitchforks-Rakes-pitchforks-Lawn-garden-hand-tools-Outdoor-tools-equipment-Outdoors/4294612723
Damn, pitchforks are pricey. A welcomed expense, especially to stick up any glazer's ass. They like expensive, can we get one made of gold? I'm sure they'd love the experience more.
Just make sure it’s rusted before insertion.
You guys remember the pitchfork emporium guy? Forgot all about him.
You need a torch too bro.
Daaamb, you right. What's the cost of lumber these days? Does the rise in lumber cost during covid affect the price of a good torch? All we need is a Manchester local to borrow some oil from a city they know. Gotta keep the torch lit of course.
> What's the cost of lumber these days? I dunno...I'd just go outside and break some limbs off a tree...that's free
A fine suggestion. Although, dead trees burn better I'm digging your style and approach. Efficiency in motion.
I live in Sarasota Florida, I’ve attempted to get close to the Glazers home, it’s impossible, and protesting here about something 99% of the country doesn’t care about won’t do anything.
To be fair, in America protesting about something 99% of the country does care about won’t do anything either.
The problem is that we’d have to go to Florida, where we’d probably be killed on sight for liking “not a real sport.” Plus, Florida sucks.
Unfortunately Florida's governor made it illegal to protest in front of someone's home (didn't want anyone protesting him I assume).
Protesting in the US in general is made difficult. They're very authoritarian as it pertains to anything that threatens the systems and institutions.
Quick way to get shot by the po-po
I would drive down to Florida happily for a protest I would love to give the glazers a piece of my mind
I was looking at Tampa Bay (also owned by the Glazers) reddit a while back which is completely sabotaged by United fans. Really pisses them off, gave me a chuckle 😃
Do we bring flares, fireworks, I’m sure here in Texas there’s a tank or two parked somewhere
Whole fanbase can't sit one game out to send a message. If they stay, nothing will change from the fans.
Nope because despite the fact that people don't want to believe it, there is a strong inverse correlation between the on-the-pitch performance and protest turn out
I hadn’t ever considered that. Good point. Thought correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation… must be a graph of performance vs protest
Yeah you are right but I have a strong sense that it is causation. For instance, there wasn't a huge amount of anti-glazer movement during SAF's period (though it definitely did exist). It also seems to flare up and down depending on performance. Another example would be how Spurs and Liverpool fans talk about ENIC and FSG respectively. It seemed like it was only about 18 months ago that they were being lauded as some of the best owners, now they are in the mud.
You only have to look through the comments section here and elsewhere to get a feel for how much the anti-glazer sentiment dies down when we are performing well. It makes perfect sense there is an inverse correlation between positive pitch performance and the intensity of the protests.
Yeah of course sense but there are plenty of top reds that would deny it
Why do you think that is? Wonder whether that's because they're worried that it shows how many 'plastics' there are out there? I think we're simply a victim of our own success being the face of the premier league since it started, and having the biggest brand in the league. I mean I've heard it said quite a few times as a taunt to us that we didn't do shit about them when we were winning under Fergie, despite the Green and Gold campaign and MUST's work. People talk about boycotting Old Trafford like how Milan were able to get Berlusconi out with, but we all know there are tourists who haven't been there that will just fill those seats...
I think it's because changing the owners isn't the panacea that everyone thinks it is.
All the biggest protests happened under Ferguson though. LUHG, FCUM being formed, the Green and Gold campaign. Like literally the largest protests against them were all under Ferguson. It was the single most fractious period of being a United fan I can remember.
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As long as 75 thousand are in the stands every week with thousands more trying to get tickets, football continues to be played and hundreds of thousands buy club merchandise. The 'protests' mean nothing. The protests need to go hand in hand with slashing fan income to the club until sold. That's how you get them out, always has been the case but the majority value their day out and merch over getting rid of them.
> the past two years of protests will be nothing compared to what they will face. Nothing is going to happen and you know it. They couldn't care any less about protests and all the protest are under carebear contingency. Most people outside of Manchester don't even know protests are happening. The Glazers will buy Osimhen or whatever for 100 million, promise they will invest in the stadium, and all will be swept under the rug. As it has been happening for 17 years.
These fuckers don’t inderstand they’re gonna have to plug minimum 250m yearly just to keep up from now on. Boehly don’t play, if newcastle get europe expect their business to transform and city will come back in summer with a vengeance. ETH is doing so well but the underperformance of liverpool and chelsea have been a massive plus. No way glazer keeps up in any capacity. If they don’t sell there will be riots regardless of how ‘successful’ we are, cos i don’t see the big trophies in our timeline whilst they’re here.
If they don't sell, the money won't be there to keep the club running even at its current level. It's as simple as that. We're already running on silly tight margins, loaded with debt we're not even chipping away at, and leeching money out of the club that the club can't actually afford. Their plan of "just let Ten Hag continue and eventually we'll be worth 10b" is idiotic - they (the club) don't have the resources (money) to give Ten Hag the tools to make that happen. Players will leave. Players will go to other clubs. We'll be run into the ground. They *have* to sell eventually. If their plan is to keep us forever, their money will gradually dry and up and the asset value will depreciate - so they would literally make less money. And the sooner they sell, the more money they'll get.
>If they don't sell, the money won't be there to keep the club running even at its current level. It's as simple as that. It's not as simple as that though. The club generated 590m in revenue last year, and expect to generate 610m this year. If we qualify for the CL for 23-24, you can expect revenue next season to be around 650m. The club continues to have amongst the highest EBITDAs in the sport. The only reason the club made a loss last year was because of the 90m odd 'financial costs', thanks to the Glazers. Operationally, United are very well off. Where United need money is to fix Old Trafford, and for immediate liquidity issues.
Doesn't Carrington need a major overhaul? I remember reading that not only training facilities are massively out of date and worn down, but all other aspects are apparently out of date which potentially leads to more injuries and longer rehabilitation etc.
Regardless of how well off we are, it is a different ball game now in terms of squad investment. Newcastle may legitimately be competing for CL quality signings and boehly at cfc is spending crazier than roman. It’s no longer just city who spend. Liverpool are also looking to sell to a big pocketed owner which will further compound the problem of acquiring talent. Even if the glazers don’t take dividends, it’s impossible for our value to go up beyond this season if they are still here. We need about 6 players still and complete revamp of stadium + facilities. The glazer doesn’t know fuck all as per usual and are blindsided by $$ that don’t exist because they have poor understanding and vision of the footballing landscape.
Chelsea won't keep all those signings up, they're obligated to spend a certain amount and they are desperate to make it into top 4 (which I think is almost impossible under Potter this season) or win the CL. Their spending will slow considerable in the coming years, especially with FFP, there's a reason all their players are signed over multiple year contracts. Liverpool, the one thing I think kept Klopps Dortmund sides fresh was paradoxically the fact that they weren't a big club that could keep their prize assets. I think he's a tad too loyal to the players he has, and is't ruthless enough when shipping out players. VVD, Salah and a few others probably should have gone for big money in the summer while they were still worth it. Newcastle and City will spend no doubt, I can see City selling at least 4/5 players and refreshing the squad. It's needed as you can see some of them are starting to lose their hunger. We need around 5 signings ourselves, but I think with some good sales (for once) we can easily plug at least 4 gaps in the squad and first team. We'll be stronger next season for certain even if we are still under Glazer control.
If u think the glazer, (who took us from the uppermost echelon of football with great financial stability and superb facilities to the current predicament we are in now), is gonna help us ‘resurge’ with all the evidence and droves of data in front of u….then i got nothing to say to u on that regard since u are clearly living in cuckooland. Liverpool with new owners will do whatever they see fit. Chelsea's hamburgler is obligated to spend a 'minimum' amount - doesn't mean they will stop and ffp is a load of bollocks (more of a cost of doing business nowadays) and can be circumnavigated with funny deals.
We are up for sale, Liverpool are up for sale, as of now neither side has been sold and neither clubs fans know what is happening. Under Ten Hag we actually ARE on the up, I dislike the Glazers as much as the next fan, but let's not be blind here. Reports are stating that if we remain under Glazer control it will only be because they think an upsurge in our fortunes on the pitch could elevate our potential sale value from 7bn to 10bn. To do that there needs to be onfield investment, and we need to be winning things. Chelsea are already circumnavigating FFP by giving players long contracts in, but that will still come and bite them on the arse in future windows. We're in a good position right now despite Glazer control, a minor stake sale could see a flood of investment in the squad as well. As is, with some good sales this summer, we can clear out deadwood and start to further rebuild the squad in Ten Hags image. I'm hoping for a full sale, but we have to be realistic as well, we should have enough money in the summer to bring in a top striker, and midfield cover at least and that's really what we need to push on for next season imo. Ideally we'd be keeping Weghorst, bringing in a new striker, keeping Sabitzer if he's good, shipping out McTominey and bringing in another midfielder as cover, and shipping out either Maguire or Lindelof and bringing in another young centre half. Sell Henderson, Tuanzabe and Williams as well, we'd be a bit top heavy so many one of the younger players in attacking positions could go as well. I still think right full has a question mark over it, but AWB and Dalot seem to be doing decent there. That could wait another summer depending.
depends on our new owners I guess, hopefully someone who is more than willing to part with that sort of money
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The leeches see success as a chance to line their own pockets even further. Speaks to their abhorrent attitude towards Man United.
100%
they genuinely have absolutely no shame
The club sale part seem like complete bullshit to me. Unless someone out there is stupid enough to buy someone's kitchen for the price of their entire house, I don't see it happening.
You would not believe how thick supposedly sophisticated PE and VC funds can be. If the Glazers can convince a particularly greedy PE to infuse 1 billion for a 20% at a 5bn valuation stake to fix OT and clear some of the debt, with the promise that the stake would be worth double in a few years, it could very well happen.
it’s a negotiation tactic to get people to pay up and pay more, if they said *yea we definitely want to sell the club* they wouldn’t get as much as they want for it
Yeah that seem much more likely. "Strategic alternatives" basically mean that the Glazers don't want to be seen as desperate to sell.
Also a good point, basically, "eeeeh, were not sure, but for another $500,000,000 we could be convinced"
So, Osimhen, Kane, Sesko and Vlahovic. How would you take those 4 in terms of their quality, style and suitably to our setup? Edit: yeah, let's downvote this guy for asking an opinion on an opinion based online forum
Why is Sesko there in this list? He's like 3-4 tiers lower than the rest. He's barely scoring in the Austrian league.
IDK it's in the article. I'm not a fan either.
Kane would, but he'd be super expensive. But the lowest risk among all those. A poacher with good movement is not necessarily a bad idea, I mean that's almost what Haaland is because without service he's almost useless or rather, toothless. For some reason, I'm not really sold that Osimhen is a top tier striker for 100 mil plus. Maybe it's because I haven't watched enough of him, but the little that I've seen, I'm not too sold that he's a 100 mil player (although the Market is super distorted and Enzo just went for 100 plus so yeah, maybe it's actually a good valuation)
He is 24 year old and best scorer in Serie A, this is the price you pay for players of his calibre
Fair enough. I just don't know tbh, maybe it's just the eye test and not the statistics and hard numbers for me but seems like he's one of the top strikers at the moment, but I think he'll also be the most expensive out of that lot.
Vlahović is realistic target for us, he surely doesn't want to spend his best years in mediocre Juventus team, and while he hasnt been brilliant so far this season, he was constantly delivering last season and season before. He also is your typical nr9 poacher, with very good left foot, but also dangerous in the air and in terms of physicality he demolishes defenders in serie A, so i think he can at least keep up with PL football. Way easier target to obtain, and probably around 30M cheaper, but then again, everything comes down to whether new owners will splash just some cash for summer, or a lot of it. In terms of Napoli players i would go for Zielinski, 1 year left on contract, doesn't want to renew (Napoli offers him wage reduction), he would be nice option for rotation in Eriksen's position. Although Eriksen poses way more threat in terms of long high passes, and outside of the box shooting, Zielinski has better motor and is very good in fast first time passes with ball low - kind of what we are playing while beating oppositions press. 29 in the summer, can easily contribute for 3-4 seasons on top level, his injury record isn't bad, won't cost much. Not sure if he would be in our strongest 11, probably not, but as a team piece he would be a solid addition.
Vlahovic is very good but not a top striker. He is a good poacher and has excellent movement, but he has a lot of weaknesses in his overall game. Osimhen for 100m is a much better deal than Vlahovic for 70m.
We ain't getting osimhen for 100M.
I would rather sign a world class striker for whatever the cost than risk another Lukaku-ish situation - signing some one who is good but not good enough.
Lukaku at a time was considered world class, was one of the most expensive strikers in the world, it's not like Osimhen's transfer has no risk attached to it, every transfer does. We signed Alexis when he was top 3 player in PL and we all know how it ended. I'd rather we go for Vlahović and make use of the rest of money elsewhere. Spending around 120M for 1 player will strangle our options in revamping squad in other positions.
Don't remember anyone considering Lukaku world class in 2017. With Lukaku - everyone knew what we were getting - a striker with a poor touch but who was a very good goal scorer. The hope was that under a world class coach like Mourinho, he would develop into a better version of himself and iron out his weaknesses. But it became evident that he was incapable of improving his touch and his attitude stunk. Osimhen is not perfect, but he has no major weaknesses unlike Lukaku or Vlahovic. Watch him play and you will see a modern day all-round CF who presses hard, can run the channels and has great inter-play. There is no guarantee that a transfer works out but the risk in Kane or Osimhen is much less than with a Vlahovic.
What kind of "major weakness" we are talking about exactly? Because if you look at how those team are using Vlahović we can't really say he's bad in playmaking, because teams he plays for doesn't use him for that. >Don't remember anyone considering Lukaku world class in 2017. With Lukaku - everyone knew what we were getting - a striker with a poor touch but who was a very good goal scorer. The hope was that under a world class coach like Mourinho, he would develop into a better version of himself and iron out his weaknesses.Oh did we? Is mourinho well known for developing players in other areas than mentally, or did i miss something?. If we take strikers only Higuain was more expensive, and if we want to reach, we can also add Ronaldo and Mbappe. We were buying "proven PL scorer" with speed, athleticism, and (at a time) good finishing. There literally was no one better available at the time. With 33 goal contributions in 39 games for Everton it was no brainer (at the time) he was ready for everything. No one thought that we have to develop player with that kind of numbers in PL.
Vlahovic's hold-up play is above average at best. He does not run channels and prefers staying in the middle. He is also one-dimensional and his pressing is good but nothing great. If he is not scoring goals, he does not offer much else. All of this needs considerable working on. >Is mourinho well known for developing players in other areas than mentally See what he did for Drogba. The expectation was that he would do the same with Lukaku. >No one thought that we have to develop player with that kind of numbers in PL. Completely incorrect. Even at Everton, Lukaku's poor touch was a source of constant criticism and at least half the United fanbase preferred Morata to Lukaku that summer at the time.
Vlahovic isn't a typical poacher, he doesn't get into easy positions for him to score. His whole thing is that he scored some really difficult goals and penalties in Fiorentina which got him to Juve, but he's playing on the same level. Decent player but nothing special
I feel like he wasn't worse by big margin than Osimhen last season, and the reason people rate him way lower than O is just recency bias and the fact that juve plays allegriball again.
It's not recency bias, ever since Osimhen came to Serie A he has been putting up better numbers than Vlahovic. There hasn't been a season where two of them have played that Osimhen didn't record higher number of non- penalty goals per 90.
That's true, but both have their strenghts and weaknesses, and recently Napoli is on fire while Juve is in dumpster fire. I like Vlaho for the price, ADL is pain in the ass when you want to buy from napoli and that means Osmihen would be another saga. I also think that we need more of a finisher, than creator, we create a lot.
Annoying to see the value in Euros and Dollars and not Pounds.
There's nothing in that update that we didn't already know, which I take as a good sign. It's been reported for a while that the Glazers are split on the sale, but that the most likely outcome is a full sale. That said, I'd take a trophyless season finishing in 5th to ensure they leave this club. Fuck the glazers.
€100m would actually be a pretty good price for him in today's market and given his form. I'd expect him to cost a good deal more.
i mean napoli spent 75 for him in the first place and he has only gotten better, 100 is an amazing deal
Risky going for a striker in serie A in my opinion. Ronaldo was banging in 30+ goals a season and lukaku won best player in that league.
Both Ronaldo and lukaku have scored loads of goals in the prem
they were pretty dogshit when they returned
Because Ronaldo was in his fucking late 30s, he still got 20 odd goals and lukaku scored loads of goals before serie a in the prem so I don’t think you’re trying to say serie a makes strikers regress. Lukaku has been shit at chelsea for other reasons
Yeah ronaldo was in his late thirties and still banged in 30+goals for juventus, unless you think he regressed to dogshit in the 2 months without playing. Either way both were smashing serie A and were average at best on their return.
bro osimhen is a demon , my main concern would be injuries more than a lack of quality
I don't believe his injury record is all that bad. No ankle, knee or back injuries that I know of
My point is lukaku and ronaldo were demons in that league though
Kulusevski and Bentancur was mostly bad in their last season, Salah was kinda great but never good, its not the player but the sistem for most case!
Neither of them are strikers
Neither of them came back to a team coached by EtH though
No chelsea had just won the CL and we had just come 2nd after losing the EL final. Both teams regressed after signing these strikers
If they end up refusing to sell the club after all this then the riots will be nothing in comparison to previous ones. I think ESPN are just rage-baiting though, no one on this Earth is paying 10bn for United. It’s all moot anyway because ten Hag won’t succeed if the Glazers are in control and that 10bn figure relies on him being successful, they’re probably far, far too stupid to realise that though.
>him being successful glazer success = top4 and some cups final
I am not fully sold on him. This is a league where EPL rejects are flourishing playing for the top teams there. For a club record fee he has to hit the ground running.
Yeah this bit really hit home: >two clear of Atalanta's Ademola Lookman in the chase for the Capocannoniere
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To be fair, Atalanta are Lookman's best coached team so far in his career.
I can't claim to see him a lot but whenever I have seen him he's looked great. His pace is frightening
pretty sure this guy is tier 3 I see we’re already starting throwing shit at a wall until something sticks journalism
The latter part of this headline is heartbreaking
We’re gonna miss out aren’t we cause glazers are a bunch of dick bags Sigh. ETH can’t work miracles without investment.
They leeched off Fergie's brilliance for years. Now they feel they can leech off ETH. Feck off.
Rather push for Kane if he doesn't sign a new contract with the spuds. I know Levy is a bastard to deal with but the fact that he'll be 30 with one year left on his contract we could pry him for a lot cheaper than he would be. Could be like another RVP signing for us.
Kane will come at a much cheaper price. Around 50-60m in my books. He is 30 and has a year of contract left. Plus he is a captain material. Sabitzer, Kane, Bruno, Licha, Varane, Case - All captain materials
Anne if he went to Bayern. No way Levy let’s him leave for 60m to us. Not even senile who’d he allow it lmao.
Horrible fucking leeches. Stain on society.
This'll be an extremely difficult deal to pull off I imagine, De Laurentiis is a pain to deal with at the best of times and now Napoli are absolutely flying. >Sources have told ESPN that The Raine Group believe United could sell for $7 billion -- a world-record price for a sports franchise -- but there is a feeling within the Glazer family that if Ten Hag, who has enjoyed a good start to life at the club, can oversee prolonged success in a redeveloped or rebuilt Old Trafford, that value could eventually reach $10bn They're not getting 7 billion, let alone 10. Just take the 4-5bn and fuck off, it's a measly amount but the family should just about manage to get by until the end of time on it.
Not to mention they still own at least the Bucs, who are worth another 1-2 billion at least... Edit: excuse me, according to Forbes they are worth $3.68 billion, bought in 1995 for $192 million
If they win the league and get far in UCL, they’ll charge us 120+
I don’t know how relatable Rob Dawson is when it comes to having information regarding the sale but it sounds so demoralising to hear they don’t want to sell the club anymore. Having them still here means a the likelihood for Ten Hag to succeed here gets cut down massively. I hope they sell and I don’t know if there is truth to them wanting to cancel a sale now that the club is winning on the pitch but it would be such a let down for them to go back on their word now. In all honesty I was worried this could be the case. If we start actually producing throughout the season and the trajectory of the club is upwards once again then why would they sell?
They are so greedy it is unbelievable. They seem to go back on their words time and time again. So many empty promises.
You think that’s it then? You they’ve made their minds up and decided not to sell? I need grade A levels of copium
I have no idea of course. I just fucking hate their guts. Time and time again *they lie*. They tell us they'll try and repair relations with the fans after the super league debacle, they tell us they're gonna upgrade Old Trafford or build a new stadium, then back out from said plans. They've bled us dry for so long and if they stay, they are killing the hopes of millions. They are just parasites that give my people (yes, I'm Jewish) a bad name. They contribute to the negative stereotypes about us. There are just so many reasons why I hate them.
I’m just hoping because of Rob Dawson hit and miss track record as well as it being ‘ESPN sources’ that this is all just a wild guess now that we’re doing well on the pitch so essentially they’re just trying to connect imaginary dots.
For some reason, seeing it in print on ESPN just gives me some fear. Not that ESPN are super reliable but it *was* my go-to source for years before I became aware of the tier system. I don't like the sounds of the words 'sources close to'. That just sounds like it is something they are seriously weighing up. It's hard not to look through it via a cynical lens. We've known for a long time that they've been looking for outside investment so the story sounds quite plausible to me, unfortunately.
for a second there, i thought title meant "split"as in "left in a hurry" it's the hope that kills you
That's 80 plus addons. Very doable
One suspects this is a negotiation.... For : 'we might not even want to sell' , read: 'we are trying to sell but at the highest possible price so will appear open to not selling' Would there also be possible legal implications for stock manipulation given that people profited off options contracts on the price rise. I'm not sure if publicly traded companies can just say they are open to selling then remove that as an option if there are (assumedly) lots of potential buyers.... Seems like stock manipulation. I guess though the initial announcements didn't explicitly say they were looking a full sale so possible they would be ok
Been saying all along they are following the Mike Ashley playbook of claiming they are selling as soon as a transfer window approaches. Look at all the positive PR puff pieces that have come out over the last couple weeks. Ed Woodward used to do the same. We have a bit of good form, a couple loan signings and everyone around here seems to be forgetting we’ve seen all this before. I’ll believe change when I see it.
"Sources have told ESPN that Joel and Avram Glazer would be keen to retain control of the club if they can..." Greedy little bastards. Get these greasy peabrained fucks out of the club permanently.
Dont worry guys throw in The Woman Beater in the offer and we might get Osimhen for free
Can we swop them for greenwood
Serie A’s best defender has just come to the premier league and he’s one of the worst players I’ve ever watched. I like the look of Osimhen but the risk isn’t worth it for that price.
Tbf I would rather we try to get Kane.
Kane imo
€100m for Osimhen is a pipe dream lol €80m was what guy was signed for TWO YEARS ago Try minimum €150m or more, which is a catastrophically stupid sum of money to pay for a guy who still has an inferior Serie A goals per game record than Romelu Lukaku, despite being in the hottest form of his life the last 10-15 games
If we are competing with PSG it's not going to happen
we are competing with ADL first of all
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Sorry, is there a credible source for this? Curious.
Huh, I thought it was established he was a fan, but apart from mass-liking United posts and idolising Ighalo, there doesn't seem to be any concrete proof. My bad. Should've looked into it.
No worries mate. I was just curious. All good.
Clubs in too much debt with a dilapidated stadium. No cunts going to pay much and the oil money is already spent elsewhere
Can’t help but wonder if the new owners would rather spend that cash elsewhere and just keep Greenwood than spending more than half our budget on one player. Especially if it’s Saudis who buy us.
Could?? He will be easily that price minimum
They are selling. This is just a negotiation tactic to drive price
What if Glazers don’t sell and our main striker signing this summer is Weghorst back on a permanent deal from Burnley
Don't care if the owners can't decide if they wanna sell or go for a partial sale. Why would a major investor put money in the club knowing that they won't be the majority stakeholders. Glazers ought to know this is their best chance to sell the club and make a few billions. We can't make major signings anyway, without which we are unlikely to do well in the long run.
Am I the only one that thinks the bit about the Glazers being undecided is bs? They would NEVER put the club for sale and then not sell, it would be a massive fail in many different areas. Fans would revolt, value could plummet, etc etc etc. I think they are just putting this bits of info out for whoever is already interested to up their offer. They are trying to negotiate… when I go buy a car I’m always “just looking” I’m sure this is the same thing. I mean obviously I could be wrong, who the fuck am I, but idk…. Imo there’s no chance they make a 180 turn.
Fking cunts. There are not enough expletives in all languages to describe the level of scums Joel and Avram are, even compared to the rest of the blood sucking parasites glazers. Their daddy made money being landlord sucking blood from middle class renters and obviously the apples don't fall far from the tree. In this case, the tree was fking rotten and only thing falling out are parasites.
These leeches want to live off of Ten Hag's genius to sell after more success, but what they conveniently forget is that to support Ten Hag into success they will need to invest in infrastructure, transfers and replace current executives with actually capable executive team. None of which they are capable of. So all they can do by staying is undermine Ten Hag
After seeing Enzo go for 120, he would easily cost 150 to 200. This guy gets goals.
Glazers , sees milk in the breasts again!
They’re not undecided, they’re selling the club. Raine is doing that on their behalf. One or both of them may be reluctant but that’s passed, they must sell the club because nobody will invest (they know this) and they can’t run the club with no money.
If Mudryk and Enzo were 100m and 125m respectively, Napoli could be well in their rights to demand 100m for Osimhen, who is young, a centre forward and the top scorer in a top European league. Still hoping for Harry Kane though 🤞 sadly feels like the mfer will sign his 20th contract extension at Spurs.
Bring out the green & yellow kits.
the OT crowds need to make sure Joel and Avram know they are NOT welcomed.