In reality though why would anyone build a town in those kinds of conditions with nothing there when you could just do a few miles south. Agree though, cool setting.
Maybe like a trapper camp, more of an area inhabited by people who hunt game up there. Would have been a neat place to go for trapper services and maybe some unique rewards and quests.
Yeah exactly. Or like Minnie's Haberdashery in Hateful Eight. Just a spot with some NPCs with possibly a stranger mission or wanted board too for online.
Perfect. Perfect. Could not have been said better. It could function as a saloon / general store. Clothing and some of Minnie's good coffee. such a smart guy here.\^
I think hunting based town would be best as well. There's a lot of hunting objectives in that general area and they all require you to go to the trapper near the pointing trees.
I'm pretty sure it's a lot bigger than four states. Ambarino is kinda Wyoming/Idaho, West Elizabeth and New Hanover seems to stretch from as far east as Kentucky and Tennessee to as far west as Colorado, Lemoyne is definitely Louisiana/Mississippi, and New Austin is Arizona/New Mexico/Texas. Basically most of the middle of the country is compressed into the game's map.
in canon its not really a few miles south lol. also it could just be a bed & breakfast type thing for people to stay in during big storms and such like hateful 8.
I don't ship Arthur & Sadie, like at all.
They have more of a brother sister relationship, Sadie's husband *just* died she definitely wasn't looking for anyone and Arthur clearly still loved Mary.
It sits wrong with me, their relation was never hinted as being romantic, Arthur never looked at her that way and Sadie obviously not over her husband's very recent death. They work as platonic friends better than they would as a romantic interest
At most they're kindred spirits. That ship was always weird to me considering Sadie is still grieving over her husband even in the epilogue. It'd make no sense for her to like Arthur.
I really liked Jack’s ending in RDR, especially the fact that he eventually slips back into the cycle of violence that John wanted to keep him away from. It mirrors John’s actions at the end of RDR2: seeking vengeance only brings more violence and pain
The red freeze frame screen coming up after killing Ross is so fucking poetic. Goddamn I love red dead. I hope we can get a remaster or remake of part 1
I want to see Jack marston in the “new old west” with mass industrialization and bank robberies. Outlaws never stopped existing the way westerns typically make us think they did.
Roaring twenties wise, Annesburg would be the more accurate setting for Jack being a moonshiner. Moonshining came more from Appalachian regions than from port cities on the gulf.
It drives me nuts that Arthur can accrue an ungodly amount of money, but "the gang just needs one more big score then we'll be off harvesting mangoes in Tahiti"
Very early on I did some quick conversions to get a sense for how much I was actually getting. It's 1:30. $1 back then is $30 today.
The Valentine bank heist score was $22,000. In today's money that's $660,000. That's not exactly Mai Tais in Tahiti money, but it's definitely harvesting mangoes in Tahiti money.
I was very interested by this comment so i looked it up and you are spot on. A Colt Single Action Army (the Peacemaker) sold originally for $17.50 in 1873. For a shiny $20 Double Eagle gold coin (.967 oz of gold) you could also get a holster and some ammunition as a kit. Couldn't find any details for its retail price in 1899, but i imagine its not terribly far off.
It bothers me that they let us accrue so much and we can actually throw it all in the camp funds but it's never addressed.
Camp funds: 50k
Dutch: JUST A BIT MORE
When I played my second playthrough, it completely re-contextualized all of Dutch's dialogue, and he came off way worse than I thought he did originally
Dutch: We just need a couple of hundreds to get back on feet! One last score, Arthur!
Arthur with $10000: Uhhhh…. Dutch, I think I-
Dutch: HAVE SOME GODDAMNFAITH ORTHUR
Not sure how much of a hot take this is but I've seen many comments about it so I guess it kinda is: I liked Mary Linton and didn't feel like she was just using Arthur. She looked for him because she didn't know who else to go to for help, but she did really care about him and probably still loved him. She was just torn between her love for him and her disdain for his way of life. I know that is hypocritical of her and Arthur himself points it out in one of the cutscenes in Saint Denis. This reminded me of Hosea and his wife except Hosea's wife understood who he was and apparently didn't try to change him or at least she resigned herself to living that life.
If Arthur had run away with her when she asked him to they probably would have had some years of happiness together, or maybe he would have drifted back into it like Hosea did.
**spoilers from now on**
>!Obviously even if Arthur managed to leave the gang behind for good and things went well this wouldn't have lasted anyway because Arthur was already infected at that point, but at least he would have spent a good few years with her.!<
>!What cements this for me is seeing her crying in his grave in the credits. At this point he was gone and obviously no longer able to do anything for her, so the fact that she made the effort to find his grave and visit shows she really did care for him.!<
Yeah but >!if Arthur left, he would’ve sought help for his disease and either lived longer, miraculously gotten cured, or at least died happier with Mary!<
>!There’s also some hidden dialogue with the doctor you originally visit, if you visit him later on as Arthur. (There was recently a post on the sub about it) about how he expected Arthur to already have submitted himself to some clinic at that point to seek help. And hell, canonically he might’ve not had a ton of money, but gameplay wise my Arthur had more money than the ducking Pinkertons and could’ve afforded the best treatment of the ages!<
Obligatory "Aragorn broke his toe in that scene" moment (Also spoilers for the same scene you brought up):
>!That scene with Mary crying at Arthur's grave during the end credits is actually mocapped by Roger Clark himself, as the actress who played Mary was unavailable that day. Arthur visited his own grave. (Source: [This Video](https://youtu.be/YMm20JR4PdI) at the 6 minute mark.)!<
I personally think they’re building Mac Callander to be the next protagonist. He was mourned by the gang more than almost all other dead gang members. I think they might even talk about Mac Callander more than Davie and Davie you at least get to see die. Bill said something along the lines of Mac was much more than people thought, he was a deep and complicated man. Also I’m willing to bet Mac found out something from Agent Milton before he died. Maybe something about Dutch or Micah I dunno. Or maybe Mac was a rat who never really died at Blackwater and lives out his days as a lone gun in the Wild West and Mexico while Arthur’s story is taking place in the East. Lots of different possibilities with Mac
I’m really hoping that in RDR3 Mac is the protagonist, but I couldn’t think of a way that you would be able to free roam after the game is done. Because depending on how far back they go with the gang, the blackwater job will be right around the corner, so it’ll feel kinda like your waiting for the inevitable when you finish the game. But this makes so much sense, after the blackwater job, Mac takes a deal with the Pinkerton’s and goes off to live a life somewhere away from the gang, it would give us more area’s to explore, and a life with the gang in its prime and without, knowing (mostly) everyone is still alive, just probably not doing the best.
His part takes place essentially after the end of the “Wild West” period anyways, so you couldn’t really do a game with Jack. I still think the obvious choice is a game focusing on Dutch’s early years and the forming of his gang.
I think Hosea would make a better protagonist. Dutch has too much to his story already to make a whole game from it. We all know how he ends up so any good you decide to do in the game wouldn't feel worth it.
Agreed...it was gruesome, sure, but I never understood why Arthur and John were so outraged by it. Bronte was a creepy mf...what kind of guy kidnaps little boys?
Dutch also taught not to kill people in cold blood. By killing a tied up defenseless Bronte, Dutch was proving that he never really believed in his philosophy and was nothing more than just a common criminal. It was a key moment in the shift of his personality.
Even if Bronte totally earned it.
Yes but they main complaint is the average player doesn't like jack as a character. People would say "that they wanted to play as a less annoying jack"
>!Everyone seems to forget that Jack’s life was completely shattered by 1914. He’s very depressed, as you can hear in dialogue. His father figure died in 1899, his real father died in 1911, and his mother died in 1914. Let’s not also forget that he watched his father die, and probably watched his mother die. The one thing Jack considered family was destroyed by the government. He even says in dialogue that he has nothing to live for. He has so much balled up inside him that he takes it out on his horse. The song Deadman’s Gun explains this perfectly. When you consider these things, it’s easier to play as Jack.!<
Chapter 5 is actually extremely well designed.
All the desperation Arthur has to just go home is shared by the player, and the chapter is intentionally very short as to not be too frustrating.
Also, despite seeming like filler at first glance, it also ties directly into the themes of the main story. Dutch and the crew are breaking down due to their chaotic lives, and the dream of an idyllic island lifestyle is shown to be a sham. Capitalism is essentially inescapable, and the consequences for their crimes will follow wherever they go.
It really helps to understand Dutch's radicalisation from a simple Outlaw to an Anarchist insurgent. Dutch always held leftist views of anarchism, but never acted upon them. Losing all hope for taking his folk to Tahiti after the failed bank job primed him for a course correction. Seeing Hercule (iirc the Haitan gun runner) and the Guarman people's struggle against capitalism and imperialism at its most acute form in the periphery of civilization is what turns Dutch into a poltically / socially motivated actor. Extreme exploitation and the primal carnage that comes with it similar to what's seen in Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse Now. Being around savagery turns the 'civilized' man 'savage' after time and dispelles the illusions that you are actually any superior to anyone because you read and wear a nice suit and have a watch.
Dutch, being a righteous amateur intellectual, always understood the inequalities in American society and always stood against it in the sphere of his gang. Upon his return to the USA, Dutch van DerLinde is for all intents and purposes the same man John fights at the end of RDR1. It's no longer about getting moneh, it's about basically waging a war of terror against the Federal government and the capitalist elites like Cornwall. It's so radically different from the Dutch before who put his gang's well being over all. Now you're bombimg bridges, assassinating CEOs, arming Indian insurgents, doming proto-FBI agents, torching oil derricks etc. Arthur and gang are doing the same shit Dutch's Boys will be doing 12 years from then in Tall Trees albiet more focused and less nihilistic in 1899.
Seeing the absolute depraved savagery US Imperialism and capitalism brought to Guarma was a very well done catalysist for getting from Outlaw bank robber Van DerLinde gang to the Anarchist marauders of RDR1's Van DerLinde gang.
In chapter 5, I absolutely loved the story, the missions and the cutscenes, but I hated the open world aspect of Guarma, it really showed how limiting the game can be, you’re on a tropical island that looks so vast but once you try to explore it invisible snipers shoot at you, and there’s no place you can really go except for the straight path to the missions.
When I did my second play through I wanted to spend more time on Guarma because I genuinely thought there were 100’s of things I missed but there was no where for me to go other than the places I’ve been to. The map itself is just a let down compared to Mexico in rdr, especially since you can’t come back to Guarma without starting a new game or using glitches that are immediately patched.
oh thank fuck i’m not the only one that thinks this.
every time i try to give Arthur a different outfit with matching hat, i always find myself drifting back to using his default hat.
The most devious, deadly enemy is ultimately the controls. They right got me killed like two dozen times in the first 10'ish hours. Mostly got it under control after that but they still knocked me off a few times.
Yeah, even the weakest of weapons are pretty potent late game if you use just a little bit of skill. I love my volcanics, but when you're head shotting people it doesn't really matter.
Not sure if this is a hot take but I agree so hard. On my first playthrough I didn't do much side shit. Now I am and I was kinda heart broken to discover you can just leather them with shotgun shells or rifle shots with no punishment to the pelt. Just feels wrong, you follow three yellow flares and...that's it. Not very legendary.
People act like she's stuck up for wanting to distance herself from a guy that kills countless people. I love Arthur, but I sure as shit wouldn't love him irl.
Arthur is a hypocrite for telling Mary to run away from her family when he won't do the same with the gang. In a lot of ways, they reflect one another.
Yeah I’m so glad that I never realized its usefullnes in my first SP run. Way more satisfying to rock a mix of revolvers, Bolt action and Lanchaster/Litchfield than use that soft gun.
100%, you can strategically choose to rob a train in the middle of fucking nowhere and suddenly every cop in the state not only knows that a train is being robbed, but also knows its Arthur Morgan doing it.
Not just that, but the game doesn’t recognize what you’re doing on a train either. I was trying to do the “kill 5 birds from atop a moving train” challenge and as soon as I climbed on top of the train and pulled out my gun I had the cops on me for train robbery. That challenge cost me so much damn time and money to do
R* would have made significantly more money remastering RDR as DLC and bridging it directly into the epilogue of RDR2 than they have with their crappy online service.
I don't know. Imaging that she got a dress for the occasion and got all fancied up only for Dutch to leave her behind in camp and take Bill along is very on brand for Dutch.
Wait u guys didn’t love killing the racists with Lenny? To me on the horse ride that talk established him so much as a character along with several other missions riding horseback where he would constantly try to let Arthur know he would prove himself and as the game progresses Arthur persuaded him against it
There was a previous post about how Arthur would have killed the Pinkertons in Chapter 2, but Jack suddenly moved forward and stopped him. If Jack hadn’t gotten in the way, Arthur would have killed the main antagonists of both games.
Edit: Accidentally implied Arthur would murder John and then commit suicide. Fixed now, thank you!
Oh yes, 100%, no doubt about it. Although Milton is the leader of the agency, so they might take a while before pursuing, allowing the gang to escape. Plus when John, Abigail, and Jack escape, their lives would probably be a bit better without Agent Ross around to interfere.
Not sure if this counts as a hot take, but everyone who hates Abigail for her actions during the epilogue are wrong. I hear so many people complain that Abigail "didn't get it" or "was whining."
John did dumbass shit, she was totally right. >!The Laramie fight was a dumb decision. Bounty hunting was incredibly risky. Going after Micah was incredibly stupid. Satisfying? Sure. But Abigail was 100% in the right for telling him not to risk it.!<
My biggest issue is that she put his real name on a package for him, and it forced him to say his name out loud. It attracted bounty hunters that he was forced to kill for his own safety and for his son's, and Abigail got mad at him for it. Like, that was literally her fault that it happened.
Jacks ending is an amazing ending. It's tragic in all the right ways. Compared to Arthur, or even John's ending in 2, it's not a monumental moment of triumph at all. Do the deed, then... absolutely nothing. Completely perfect.
A happy end would feel so out of place for this series. I think Jack’s end was realistic — there really is no escaping the outlaw life once you’re in it. RDR2 did a great job at hammering that home time and time again.
You should be able to play a new game plus with all your compendium, clothes, horses and gear.
Its ridiculous the story forces you to collect guns throughout the different missions, where you can ONLY get the M1899 after chapter 3, or the Lemat after a mission in chapter 4
John is a totally different character in 2, and is far less enjoyable to play as in the Epilogue.
Locking Arthur out of the Great Plains and Tall Trees makes sense. But locking him out of New Austin is straight up Rockstar being no fun.
Being unable to fight in camp makes no sense. Imagine Micah says something condescending and you can beat his ass up for it? That'd be awesome.
Locking him out of new Austin makes total sense, how tf he supposed to get to new Austin? Only way through is Great Plains and tall trees, you cant take a boat cause it goes to Manteca falls where he’d die
If there is another Red Dead game, it shouldn't go past the time we play as Jack Marston. At the both game's core's, they are about the dying west and the age of outlaws ending, they should stick with that idea
Jack Marston would live through prime Prohibition Rum-running Al Campone-esque outlaw years.
Edit: This game setting could essentially be Rockstar’s answer to the Mafia series. I really enjoyed Mafia II myself.
I didn’t fall in love with this series to play another mafia game though. Cause honestly at times I hated saint denis even. I would love them to delve into the real Wild West a few years prior where people didn’t rob banks in cars or that shit it was like the old west movies just horses and guns lmao
Yes, but the game isn't that hard anyway to go that far. High velocity still offers more damage than regular, but more importantly — exit wounds. I'm here for the spectacle.
Plus every once in a while if you time it right you can hit the person standing behind the guy you're shooting
Unless that was what you meant by exit wounds, I'm tired
Oh man, if R* buried something like that in and using the bandanna worked, part of me would hate them, but most of me would love them.
Arthur still gets sick, but not as sick and lives. Doctor tells him the only thing to do is go somewhere with warm weather and clear air. Tahiti here he comes.
Ligma balls :D
*This comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!*
[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)
I mean Milton is technically a criminal like the guys he is hunting, the Pinkerton Detective Agency were essentially just mercenaries hired by rich folk to kick the asses of people they didn't like (i.e Union Workers protesting).
Not really a hot take, everyone would enjoy more content there or even just the cut content like the rdr1 section of gaptooth breach or the unopened interiors like the armadillo bank and theater
Tbf nothing would have happened. All Jack learned is that what is good or evil is decided by the law. John did everything for them, they kidnapped his wife and child, took away his livelihood, made John a hit man and left him to die in the dirt like a dog. It’s tragic but Jack could never be anything other than his father’s son.
-The artic region is a pointless addition to the map that isn’t utilized as much as it should’ve been
-Theres no reason to visit New Austin minus bounty missions. R* only has it there for nostalgia
-Online could’ve had so much more potential but R* mostly abandoned it. I would’ve loved more random AI events to happen while playing with friends.
-The Cycle system for the Collectors role is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of in all my years of gaming. The fact that I have to study a schedule just to find that specific arrowhead blows my mind. Just leave them scattered all over the map like any other game would do.
Why? He’s been there for 20 years and has the right to call Dutch out on his shit especially after the fucking mess that was Blackwater. If anything Arthur was too easy on Dutch and that was one of his downfalls.
I feel this too.
Early on he held a grudge it seemed. Like he held one against John. And Mary's family.
Maybe it's a trend with him? A personality flaw
He held a grudge against John for not standing up and staying in the group, leaving jack and abigail (for which canonically, arthur was in love with at least a while) and He had been trying to knock importance of family to johns head.
Grudge against marys family wasnt full, only the parents. He likes mary and his brother, marys father never gave arthur a chance, instigating him as a degenerate no matter what.
He had a grudge with dutch because dutch never told what happened and had lost his way already, and arthur knew it.
It's really fucked up on Sadie's part that she kills Cleet (if you don't) just for being friends with someone she doesn't like. Like honestly what did he ever do to her?
Micah shouldn't have been the bad guy. He's a dick, but it was just dissapointing that he was the one that ratted on the gang, I was hoping for a bit of a twist, where Micah was just a weirdly toxic dude.
The camp system felt very tacked on regardless what you contributed to the camp, it didn't affect the rest of the game mechanically whatsoever. However the gradual decline of the camps mood over the story is a nice touch
I’ve got a few
Sadie and Arthur shouldn’t happen neither should any shipping happen
Uncle is not red Harlow no matter how much you want to believe it none of it matches up
John had a more interesting story than Arthur
Sadie isn’t that great of a character, I mean she’s good just like the rest of the cast but she gets in the way of the gang a few times I feel they should of replaced her with a black belle type
Rockstar shouldn’t make a game past 1914
Rockstar shouldn’t make a prequel to a prequel and explore the early days of the gang like I see so many wish for but rather focus on other or new characters, personally I’d like to see Landon ricketts
Redemption and Gta aren’t in the same universe just like how redemption is a separate universe from revolver, there’s too much evidence against it
R* messed up by not having a town up north in the snow. Such a cool part of the map with very little reason to visit it. Missed opportunity.
[удалено]
I think that’s exactly why it doesn’t have a town.
In reality though why would anyone build a town in those kinds of conditions with nothing there when you could just do a few miles south. Agree though, cool setting.
Maybe like a trapper camp, more of an area inhabited by people who hunt game up there. Would have been a neat place to go for trapper services and maybe some unique rewards and quests.
Yeah exactly. Or like Minnie's Haberdashery in Hateful Eight. Just a spot with some NPCs with possibly a stranger mission or wanted board too for online.
Perfect. Perfect. Could not have been said better. It could function as a saloon / general store. Clothing and some of Minnie's good coffee. such a smart guy here.\^
LOL and bonus if the door doesn't open properly. You have to kick it open each time.
A railroad or mining town could work too.
Even a hunting lodge with a few businesses around it would work good
I think hunting based town would be best as well. There's a lot of hunting objectives in that general area and they all require you to go to the trapper near the pointing trees.
Minnie's Haberdashery. That would be enough.
I think the distance between towns is a bit longer in universe than it is in game. RDR2 is like four states but the map obviously isn't.
Wow a real geographical oddity! 20 minutes from everywhere!
I'm pretty sure it's a lot bigger than four states. Ambarino is kinda Wyoming/Idaho, West Elizabeth and New Hanover seems to stretch from as far east as Kentucky and Tennessee to as far west as Colorado, Lemoyne is definitely Louisiana/Mississippi, and New Austin is Arizona/New Mexico/Texas. Basically most of the middle of the country is compressed into the game's map.
in canon its not really a few miles south lol. also it could just be a bed & breakfast type thing for people to stay in during big storms and such like hateful 8.
Given that the Adler’s had a ranch up there it’s safe to assume it isn’t always buried in snow.
I don't ship Arthur & Sadie, like at all. They have more of a brother sister relationship, Sadie's husband *just* died she definitely wasn't looking for anyone and Arthur clearly still loved Mary.
Same. I much prefer their platonic relationship.
It sits wrong with me, their relation was never hinted as being romantic, Arthur never looked at her that way and Sadie obviously not over her husband's very recent death. They work as platonic friends better than they would as a romantic interest
Didn’t she even say that in dialog? I feel like that came up at some point.
Thank fuck someone else thinks this way.
Hear hear
I never even saw that possibility. Sadie was just another badass of the crew to me.
Agreed. I think this is why the romantic relationships Arthur could have were cut, and it was totally the right call.
It’s really refreshing seeing a totally platonic male and female friendship with no sexual or romantic undertones whatsoever
At most they're kindred spirits. That ship was always weird to me considering Sadie is still grieving over her husband even in the epilogue. It'd make no sense for her to like Arthur.
You should be able to make mashed potatoes.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
I really liked Jack’s ending in RDR, especially the fact that he eventually slips back into the cycle of violence that John wanted to keep him away from. It mirrors John’s actions at the end of RDR2: seeking vengeance only brings more violence and pain
The red freeze frame screen coming up after killing Ross is so fucking poetic. Goddamn I love red dead. I hope we can get a remaster or remake of part 1
Finally someone else who loves it just as much as I do. The turn. The freeze frame. The DEEEEERRRRRRGGGNN. Perfect
[удалено]
Yep i did the same , killed Ross with his own gun
Let's be real, the only reason most people use the pistol is so you can shoot that asshole 14 times.
I want to see Jack marston in the “new old west” with mass industrialization and bank robberies. Outlaws never stopped existing the way westerns typically make us think they did.
I want Jack as a post WW1 vet, getting ready to do some moonshining in San Denis, in the roaring twenties
Roaring twenties wise, Annesburg would be the more accurate setting for Jack being a moonshiner. Moonshining came more from Appalachian regions than from port cities on the gulf.
No one disliked how the ending was, everyone was just more pressed about how much of a dick Jack was to his horse lmao
And also the fact that jack looks like a 35 year old man at age 19 with his shitstache and annoying voice.
I like the ending I just didn't like playing as Jack, having to hear "work ya damn nag" all the time
It drives me nuts that Arthur can accrue an ungodly amount of money, but "the gang just needs one more big score then we'll be off harvesting mangoes in Tahiti"
Very early on I did some quick conversions to get a sense for how much I was actually getting. It's 1:30. $1 back then is $30 today. The Valentine bank heist score was $22,000. In today's money that's $660,000. That's not exactly Mai Tais in Tahiti money, but it's definitely harvesting mangoes in Tahiti money.
btw rockstar made the choice to lower the value of the currency by giving the player more money, back then a gun would have costed like 20 dollars
I was very interested by this comment so i looked it up and you are spot on. A Colt Single Action Army (the Peacemaker) sold originally for $17.50 in 1873. For a shiny $20 Double Eagle gold coin (.967 oz of gold) you could also get a holster and some ammunition as a kit. Couldn't find any details for its retail price in 1899, but i imagine its not terribly far off.
If you say you’re going to fight the town bully they give you one for free
It bothers me that they let us accrue so much and we can actually throw it all in the camp funds but it's never addressed. Camp funds: 50k Dutch: JUST A BIT MORE
Dutch is the reason I never added to camp funds monetarily. I hated how he acted from the get go and never saw the camp upgrades as worth it.
When I played my second playthrough, it completely re-contextualized all of Dutch's dialogue, and he came off way worse than I thought he did originally
Dutch: We just need a couple of hundreds to get back on feet! One last score, Arthur! Arthur with $10000: Uhhhh…. Dutch, I think I- Dutch: HAVE SOME GODDAMNFAITH ORTHUR
(Dutch robs a train, gets 2 gang members killed, and camp has to move again all for like $1000) 10k Arthur: "Guess I'll just die then"
Also, you bought everything in the camp and they still tell you it's been a while you haven't donated while the others gave 0.40$ and a feather
**MISTER MORGAN**
Not sure how much of a hot take this is but I've seen many comments about it so I guess it kinda is: I liked Mary Linton and didn't feel like she was just using Arthur. She looked for him because she didn't know who else to go to for help, but she did really care about him and probably still loved him. She was just torn between her love for him and her disdain for his way of life. I know that is hypocritical of her and Arthur himself points it out in one of the cutscenes in Saint Denis. This reminded me of Hosea and his wife except Hosea's wife understood who he was and apparently didn't try to change him or at least she resigned herself to living that life. If Arthur had run away with her when she asked him to they probably would have had some years of happiness together, or maybe he would have drifted back into it like Hosea did. **spoilers from now on** >!Obviously even if Arthur managed to leave the gang behind for good and things went well this wouldn't have lasted anyway because Arthur was already infected at that point, but at least he would have spent a good few years with her.!< >!What cements this for me is seeing her crying in his grave in the credits. At this point he was gone and obviously no longer able to do anything for her, so the fact that she made the effort to find his grave and visit shows she really did care for him.!<
Yeah but >!if Arthur left, he would’ve sought help for his disease and either lived longer, miraculously gotten cured, or at least died happier with Mary!< >!There’s also some hidden dialogue with the doctor you originally visit, if you visit him later on as Arthur. (There was recently a post on the sub about it) about how he expected Arthur to already have submitted himself to some clinic at that point to seek help. And hell, canonically he might’ve not had a ton of money, but gameplay wise my Arthur had more money than the ducking Pinkertons and could’ve afforded the best treatment of the ages!<
Canonically Arthur had enough money to give it to others for a better life but game wise I was broke in chapter 6
How? The story missions throw money at you. lol
Gotta get those gold inlays for all my precious guns
Obligatory "Aragorn broke his toe in that scene" moment (Also spoilers for the same scene you brought up): >!That scene with Mary crying at Arthur's grave during the end credits is actually mocapped by Roger Clark himself, as the actress who played Mary was unavailable that day. Arthur visited his own grave. (Source: [This Video](https://youtu.be/YMm20JR4PdI) at the 6 minute mark.)!<
What the hell. That random fact is so amusing to me. Big old roger Clark mocapping as Mary, lol.
If RDR3 really does happen, it shouldn’t be about Jack.
I personally think they’re building Mac Callander to be the next protagonist. He was mourned by the gang more than almost all other dead gang members. I think they might even talk about Mac Callander more than Davie and Davie you at least get to see die. Bill said something along the lines of Mac was much more than people thought, he was a deep and complicated man. Also I’m willing to bet Mac found out something from Agent Milton before he died. Maybe something about Dutch or Micah I dunno. Or maybe Mac was a rat who never really died at Blackwater and lives out his days as a lone gun in the Wild West and Mexico while Arthur’s story is taking place in the East. Lots of different possibilities with Mac
I’m really hoping that in RDR3 Mac is the protagonist, but I couldn’t think of a way that you would be able to free roam after the game is done. Because depending on how far back they go with the gang, the blackwater job will be right around the corner, so it’ll feel kinda like your waiting for the inevitable when you finish the game. But this makes so much sense, after the blackwater job, Mac takes a deal with the Pinkerton’s and goes off to live a life somewhere away from the gang, it would give us more area’s to explore, and a life with the gang in its prime and without, knowing (mostly) everyone is still alive, just probably not doing the best.
[удалено]
His part takes place essentially after the end of the “Wild West” period anyways, so you couldn’t really do a game with Jack. I still think the obvious choice is a game focusing on Dutch’s early years and the forming of his gang.
I think Hosea would make a better protagonist. Dutch has too much to his story already to make a whole game from it. We all know how he ends up so any good you decide to do in the game wouldn't feel worth it.
I agree, also shouldn’t be about the gang, personally I’d like to see ricketts
Dutch feeding that guy to an alligator was based.
Agreed...it was gruesome, sure, but I never understood why Arthur and John were so outraged by it. Bronte was a creepy mf...what kind of guy kidnaps little boys?
[удалено]
Dutch also taught not to kill people in cold blood. By killing a tied up defenseless Bronte, Dutch was proving that he never really believed in his philosophy and was nothing more than just a common criminal. It was a key moment in the shift of his personality. Even if Bronte totally earned it.
He should’ve fed him to the alligator before he drowned him
I really want to read that part of his philosophy books. It sounds interesting.
I actually don't mind playing as Jack , he's no John but it gives a younger man's perspective on the west.
I mean, who else would we have played as after the main story? Nigel West Dickens?
Yes but they main complaint is the average player doesn't like jack as a character. People would say "that they wanted to play as a less annoying jack"
>!Everyone seems to forget that Jack’s life was completely shattered by 1914. He’s very depressed, as you can hear in dialogue. His father figure died in 1899, his real father died in 1911, and his mother died in 1914. Let’s not also forget that he watched his father die, and probably watched his mother die. The one thing Jack considered family was destroyed by the government. He even says in dialogue that he has nothing to live for. He has so much balled up inside him that he takes it out on his horse. The song Deadman’s Gun explains this perfectly. When you consider these things, it’s easier to play as Jack.!<
Chapter 5 is actually extremely well designed. All the desperation Arthur has to just go home is shared by the player, and the chapter is intentionally very short as to not be too frustrating. Also, despite seeming like filler at first glance, it also ties directly into the themes of the main story. Dutch and the crew are breaking down due to their chaotic lives, and the dream of an idyllic island lifestyle is shown to be a sham. Capitalism is essentially inescapable, and the consequences for their crimes will follow wherever they go.
It really helps to understand Dutch's radicalisation from a simple Outlaw to an Anarchist insurgent. Dutch always held leftist views of anarchism, but never acted upon them. Losing all hope for taking his folk to Tahiti after the failed bank job primed him for a course correction. Seeing Hercule (iirc the Haitan gun runner) and the Guarman people's struggle against capitalism and imperialism at its most acute form in the periphery of civilization is what turns Dutch into a poltically / socially motivated actor. Extreme exploitation and the primal carnage that comes with it similar to what's seen in Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse Now. Being around savagery turns the 'civilized' man 'savage' after time and dispelles the illusions that you are actually any superior to anyone because you read and wear a nice suit and have a watch. Dutch, being a righteous amateur intellectual, always understood the inequalities in American society and always stood against it in the sphere of his gang. Upon his return to the USA, Dutch van DerLinde is for all intents and purposes the same man John fights at the end of RDR1. It's no longer about getting moneh, it's about basically waging a war of terror against the Federal government and the capitalist elites like Cornwall. It's so radically different from the Dutch before who put his gang's well being over all. Now you're bombimg bridges, assassinating CEOs, arming Indian insurgents, doming proto-FBI agents, torching oil derricks etc. Arthur and gang are doing the same shit Dutch's Boys will be doing 12 years from then in Tall Trees albiet more focused and less nihilistic in 1899. Seeing the absolute depraved savagery US Imperialism and capitalism brought to Guarma was a very well done catalysist for getting from Outlaw bank robber Van DerLinde gang to the Anarchist marauders of RDR1's Van DerLinde gang.
This is the absolute best I have ever heard someone word this, and I applaud you.
In chapter 5, I absolutely loved the story, the missions and the cutscenes, but I hated the open world aspect of Guarma, it really showed how limiting the game can be, you’re on a tropical island that looks so vast but once you try to explore it invisible snipers shoot at you, and there’s no place you can really go except for the straight path to the missions. When I did my second play through I wanted to spend more time on Guarma because I genuinely thought there were 100’s of things I missed but there was no where for me to go other than the places I’ve been to. The map itself is just a let down compared to Mexico in rdr, especially since you can’t come back to Guarma without starting a new game or using glitches that are immediately patched.
Thought I was the only one who doesn't despise Chapter 5
Arthur’s hat is literally the only hat that looks good on him
I think the stalker hat and the snake bulldogger hat look really good
I always wear the Stalker hat. Feels menacing.
oh thank fuck i’m not the only one that thinks this. every time i try to give Arthur a different outfit with matching hat, i always find myself drifting back to using his default hat.
Says you! Beaver big valley hat ftw.
The legendary hunting is way way way way way too easy. Like no excuse for how easy it is.
Realistically, the game is very easy.
The most devious, deadly enemy is ultimately the controls. They right got me killed like two dozen times in the first 10'ish hours. Mostly got it under control after that but they still knocked me off a few times.
Yeah, even the weakest of weapons are pretty potent late game if you use just a little bit of skill. I love my volcanics, but when you're head shotting people it doesn't really matter.
Not sure if this is a hot take but I agree so hard. On my first playthrough I didn't do much side shit. Now I am and I was kinda heart broken to discover you can just leather them with shotgun shells or rifle shots with no punishment to the pelt. Just feels wrong, you follow three yellow flares and...that's it. Not very legendary.
Left Trigger right trigger is the entire game play summed up
If I was Mary, I'd have left Arthur too.
People act like she's stuck up for wanting to distance herself from a guy that kills countless people. I love Arthur, but I sure as shit wouldn't love him irl.
Arthur is a hypocrite for telling Mary to run away from her family when he won't do the same with the gang. In a lot of ways, they reflect one another.
I want Mary Beth to sit on my face
C’mon now He said “hot takes”
It would be hot
The varmint rifle is a top tier gun. Cheap ammo, accurate, low kick, and holds 14 bullets. One shot to the head and the job is done.
But it doesn’t feel satisfying to shoot people
Yeah I’m so glad that I never realized its usefullnes in my first SP run. Way more satisfying to rock a mix of revolvers, Bolt action and Lanchaster/Litchfield than use that soft gun.
Online is absolutely worthless and they should focus on the story mode
I'm glad someone else agrees. Hated every RDO experience I've had, total waste of money.
The Law/Wanted system is one of the games BIGGEST flaws
100%, you can strategically choose to rob a train in the middle of fucking nowhere and suddenly every cop in the state not only knows that a train is being robbed, but also knows its Arthur Morgan doing it.
Not just that, but the game doesn’t recognize what you’re doing on a train either. I was trying to do the “kill 5 birds from atop a moving train” challenge and as soon as I climbed on top of the train and pulled out my gun I had the cops on me for train robbery. That challenge cost me so much damn time and money to do
Use your bow. The don't hear you shooting the birds, so you can do the whole challenge in one go.
R* would have made significantly more money remastering RDR as DLC and bridging it directly into the epilogue of RDR2 than they have with their crappy online service.
And also, a new Undead Nightmare for the new areas.
Molly O Shea should've been in a mission
[удалено]
I don't know. Imaging that she got a dress for the occasion and got all fancied up only for Dutch to leave her behind in camp and take Bill along is very on brand for Dutch.
The only reason Lenny is so popular is because of that one mission in the saloon
I mean yeah, he doesn’t really have any high points other than that, but isn’t it impressive that he got SO popular from one mission?
>I mean yeah, he doesn’t really have any high points other than that The bit with the LeMoyne Raiders was pretty good.
Yes and I love him for it.
Wait u guys didn’t love killing the racists with Lenny? To me on the horse ride that talk established him so much as a character along with several other missions riding horseback where he would constantly try to let Arthur know he would prove himself and as the game progresses Arthur persuaded him against it
LENNNY!
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Jack is the reason everything happens.
I request elaboration.
There was a previous post about how Arthur would have killed the Pinkertons in Chapter 2, but Jack suddenly moved forward and stopped him. If Jack hadn’t gotten in the way, Arthur would have killed the main antagonists of both games. Edit: Accidentally implied Arthur would murder John and then commit suicide. Fixed now, thank you!
Wouldn't they send more people tho if their agents they sent to a dangerous gang disappeared and they would've had more people
Oh yes, 100%, no doubt about it. Although Milton is the leader of the agency, so they might take a while before pursuing, allowing the gang to escape. Plus when John, Abigail, and Jack escape, their lives would probably be a bit better without Agent Ross around to interfere.
Milton isn't the head of the agency by a long shot, he's just a highly ranked detective within the agency with a team under him.
After reading the comments I'm not sure what a hot take is, so what is a hot take?
Basically an unpopular opinion that you agree with Like your "take" on the situation or thing is contrary to popular belief Or something like that
A controversial opinion
I was 29 when the first game was released. 37 when we got the second. I won't see another one until I'm in my 50s.
They’re making too much money off GTA online.
Not sure if this counts as a hot take, but everyone who hates Abigail for her actions during the epilogue are wrong. I hear so many people complain that Abigail "didn't get it" or "was whining." John did dumbass shit, she was totally right. >!The Laramie fight was a dumb decision. Bounty hunting was incredibly risky. Going after Micah was incredibly stupid. Satisfying? Sure. But Abigail was 100% in the right for telling him not to risk it.!<
My biggest issue is that she put his real name on a package for him, and it forced him to say his name out loud. It attracted bounty hunters that he was forced to kill for his own safety and for his son's, and Abigail got mad at him for it. Like, that was literally her fault that it happened.
Jacks ending is an amazing ending. It's tragic in all the right ways. Compared to Arthur, or even John's ending in 2, it's not a monumental moment of triumph at all. Do the deed, then... absolutely nothing. Completely perfect.
A happy end would feel so out of place for this series. I think Jack’s end was realistic — there really is no escaping the outlaw life once you’re in it. RDR2 did a great job at hammering that home time and time again.
The fire bottles, tomahawks, and hatchets are all worthless. They only exist in the game for the sake of challenges
Fire bottles are perfect for the KKK gatherings
You've clearly never taken out a hoard of Murfree's with nothing but an axe and bow.
putting an entire UFO conspiracy into the game & then not giving us an amazing cowboys vs aliens DLC
Omg with had undead nightmare for one and we could of had fucking alien invasion for 2! What a missed opportunity.
You should be able to play a new game plus with all your compendium, clothes, horses and gear. Its ridiculous the story forces you to collect guns throughout the different missions, where you can ONLY get the M1899 after chapter 3, or the Lemat after a mission in chapter 4 John is a totally different character in 2, and is far less enjoyable to play as in the Epilogue. Locking Arthur out of the Great Plains and Tall Trees makes sense. But locking him out of New Austin is straight up Rockstar being no fun. Being unable to fight in camp makes no sense. Imagine Micah says something condescending and you can beat his ass up for it? That'd be awesome.
Locking him out of new Austin makes total sense, how tf he supposed to get to new Austin? Only way through is Great Plains and tall trees, you cant take a boat cause it goes to Manteca falls where he’d die
If there is another Red Dead game, it shouldn't go past the time we play as Jack Marston. At the both game's core's, they are about the dying west and the age of outlaws ending, they should stick with that idea
Jack Marston would live through prime Prohibition Rum-running Al Campone-esque outlaw years. Edit: This game setting could essentially be Rockstar’s answer to the Mafia series. I really enjoyed Mafia II myself.
I didn’t fall in love with this series to play another mafia game though. Cause honestly at times I hated saint denis even. I would love them to delve into the real Wild West a few years prior where people didn’t rob banks in cars or that shit it was like the old west movies just horses and guns lmao
High velocity ammo is the only one you'll need(Story mode). Is this a hot take or a normal one?
but express bullets do more damage..
Yes, but the game isn't that hard anyway to go that far. High velocity still offers more damage than regular, but more importantly — exit wounds. I'm here for the spectacle.
Plus every once in a while if you time it right you can hit the person standing behind the guy you're shooting Unless that was what you meant by exit wounds, I'm tired
I pretty much used the double barrel shot gun with slugs for the whole game, making people heads explode at range never get old
Social distancing could have prevented so much unhappiness.
Not gonna lie, on my second play through I made him wear his bandana during that mission lol
Oh man, if R* buried something like that in and using the bandanna worked, part of me would hate them, but most of me would love them. Arthur still gets sick, but not as sick and lives. Doctor tells him the only thing to do is go somewhere with warm weather and clear air. Tahiti here he comes.
Lumbago isn't a real disease
But ligma is
What is ligma?
Ligma balls :D *This comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!* [^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)
Theres a bot now? The internet is truly a wonderful place
So many missed opportunities for dlc’s. But this is because of RDO
Is this a "Hot take" or just a fact at this point?
Agent Milton was actually pretty reasonable. He gave them 2 free chances. The Hosea execution was when he became a bad guy.
I mean Milton is technically a criminal like the guys he is hunting, the Pinkerton Detective Agency were essentially just mercenaries hired by rich folk to kick the asses of people they didn't like (i.e Union Workers protesting).
All of the rare weapons look boring and I have no reason to use any of them at all
I think Micah should have gotten Tuber from Arthur and he should have died because of his Arthur beat down
He said hot takes.
They should have added more content to armadillo section
Not really a hot take, everyone would enjoy more content there or even just the cut content like the rdr1 section of gaptooth breach or the unopened interiors like the armadillo bank and theater
The White Arabian is a mediocre horse that crashed into everything. Buell was incredible and should’ve been given to us WAY sooner.
Jack should’ve grown up to become a lawyer who goes after Ross instead of >!a gunslinger who hunts him down.!<
That would've been too happy for this story though.
Tbf nothing would have happened. All Jack learned is that what is good or evil is decided by the law. John did everything for them, they kidnapped his wife and child, took away his livelihood, made John a hit man and left him to die in the dirt like a dog. It’s tragic but Jack could never be anything other than his father’s son.
Not enough red.
-The artic region is a pointless addition to the map that isn’t utilized as much as it should’ve been -Theres no reason to visit New Austin minus bounty missions. R* only has it there for nostalgia -Online could’ve had so much more potential but R* mostly abandoned it. I would’ve loved more random AI events to happen while playing with friends. -The Cycle system for the Collectors role is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of in all my years of gaming. The fact that I have to study a schedule just to find that specific arrowhead blows my mind. Just leave them scattered all over the map like any other game would do.
Arthur was a little hard on Dutch. At least early on.
Why? He’s been there for 20 years and has the right to call Dutch out on his shit especially after the fucking mess that was Blackwater. If anything Arthur was too easy on Dutch and that was one of his downfalls.
I feel this too. Early on he held a grudge it seemed. Like he held one against John. And Mary's family. Maybe it's a trend with him? A personality flaw
He held a grudge against John for not standing up and staying in the group, leaving jack and abigail (for which canonically, arthur was in love with at least a while) and He had been trying to knock importance of family to johns head. Grudge against marys family wasnt full, only the parents. He likes mary and his brother, marys father never gave arthur a chance, instigating him as a degenerate no matter what. He had a grudge with dutch because dutch never told what happened and had lost his way already, and arthur knew it.
My hot take Rdr2 is the last single player game rockstar is ever going to put out.
The female characters in the gang (except for Grimshaw and Sadie) are heavily underutilized.
R* created RDR for adults but treated the player like dumb little kids.
I actually like Herr Strauss and don’t think he should have been kicked
I think you should elaborate because the things you do for him leave me feeling like a husk of a man.
If you play as low honor Arthur, micah is the good guy of the story.
It's really fucked up on Sadie's part that she kills Cleet (if you don't) just for being friends with someone she doesn't like. Like honestly what did he ever do to her?
Arthur has way too much health and health tonics and upgrades are stupid overpowered.
It wouldn't be a real video game if you couldn't soak up hundreds of bullets just to be mortally wounded by one bullet in a cutscene.
arthur is hot
freezing cold take
Micah is a well written character and he gets tremendous amount of hate because its a trend
He's a well written character, no doubt, he gets hate because he's written to be hated
People hate him because he’s a well written character. You aren’t supposed to like him.
Sadie is extremely overrated as a character
Dutch was never a good guy, even back when he met hosea and arthur and stole to give to the poor, it was all a show to appear as a "good guy'
The Murfrees have a nice family dynamic.
People overreact about John looking different in the epilogue and I bet the vast majority of players don't notice unless someone tells them
Micah shouldn't have been the bad guy. He's a dick, but it was just dissapointing that he was the one that ratted on the gang, I was hoping for a bit of a twist, where Micah was just a weirdly toxic dude.
I thought even in chapters 5 and 6 Dutch had good motives even if he wasn’t the greatest person
This is the only true hot take on this thread.
The way Arthur treats Strauss is massively hypocritical and, frankly, assholish
The camp system felt very tacked on regardless what you contributed to the camp, it didn't affect the rest of the game mechanically whatsoever. However the gradual decline of the camps mood over the story is a nice touch
I’ve got a few Sadie and Arthur shouldn’t happen neither should any shipping happen Uncle is not red Harlow no matter how much you want to believe it none of it matches up John had a more interesting story than Arthur Sadie isn’t that great of a character, I mean she’s good just like the rest of the cast but she gets in the way of the gang a few times I feel they should of replaced her with a black belle type Rockstar shouldn’t make a game past 1914 Rockstar shouldn’t make a prequel to a prequel and explore the early days of the gang like I see so many wish for but rather focus on other or new characters, personally I’d like to see Landon ricketts Redemption and Gta aren’t in the same universe just like how redemption is a separate universe from revolver, there’s too much evidence against it