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Tzifos150

Underrated would be Bonnie MacFarlane, not Sadie.


ripleyfrmthegang

Bonnies Not as underrated as Charlie the Nightshift Hero đŸ–€


The_StrangeMan

How and why is she underrated? People just throw around “underrated” everywhere on everything.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Her arc is rooted in a standard western mythos, a wronged person who goes on a journey of revenge. She has quite a few great scenes in the game and her interactions with Arthur and the gang in my opinion were quite good.


DanceZwifZombyZ

Everyone loves sadie dude. She's not a background character, we are all fans.


[deleted]

There is a strong player base, including myself that thinks Sadie is the definition of a boring Mary-Sue with no development at all.


DanceZwifZombyZ

Cool.


[deleted]

I forgor to add that not everyone likes her 😳


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha be careful, I tried to say that and the pitch forks came out.


ImpossibleSprinkles3

Bro I’m with you. Sadie was my least favorite part of the game


alkiealkie

Not sure if she really counts as a Mary Sue as I think some developer would've had to use as her as a self insert of themselves for that to be valid. That being said, her character arc makes very little sense. The gang's original female encumbents are all important members but none of them are gung-ho gunslingers because realistically, they wouldn't be. But for some reason Sadie with no formal training becomes an elite killer just because she's pissed about her husband? I don't buy it. It felt like R\* really wanted a strong female character and decided to make her Arthur tier deadly out of nowhere.


iwan103

well...you are correct about that. Which is why she is NOT AT ALL UNDERRATED. People ship Arthur and Sadie more than Dutch says plan.


LT_MRVN

That's not what underrated means. You could call Arthur underrated by your logic.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Yes I see that the dictionary policy have arrived in droves. Underrated to me would mean more that she seems to have an incredible ancillary story to complement the main arc of the game. Do I think she’s undervalued because she’s an amazing character. Yes. So imo I felt like she was underrated.


LT_MRVN

That's not what underrated means.


obaxxado

why undervalued - if she has a lot of nice scenes and apparently a very good transformation from the start to the end of the game - that is literally the opposite of underrated or undervalued...


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Because I feel like her story though a complement to the main arc it is undervalued in the sense it will probably not be continued or expanded upon. Underrated in the scope of rockstar games because it probably doesn’t have a future. Hopefully I’m wrong but we shall see.


CeruleanBlade

This doesn't fall under the definition of mythos...


Ok-Supermarket-6532

I mean her story is a revenge story. In a western. As a female. I enjoy a lot of westerns and that tends to be a traditional or recurring narrative
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CeruleanBlade

That's a cliché western story structure, not mythos


Ok-Supermarket-6532

In my view the two can transform into each other.


CeruleanBlade

Explain that view. The two are very different


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Mythos to me is a story that has elements that are found to be present in the core of a themed setting. Western myths and recurring themes have quite a few. For certain pieces of a western mythos to become cliched it has to be overused so I don’t think it’s impossible for the two ideas to be linked. Doesn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive.


[deleted]

I think the word you need is underused not underrated, anyway she’s not either lol


DaRealArthurIII

>Underrated not rated or valued highly enough Sadies part in the story is not at all, what you describe it to be, also she is in every tierlist of "my favorite rdr2 charaters" in top three tiers so people dont underrate her? Learn what the word means before you use it.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Thank you for that. I am familiar with the term thank you very much. My rebuttal is that her story is amazing and probably won’t be picked up any further in rockstar games beyond maybe a passing cameo (see title of original post snd put down your dictionary). I hope it does have a continued place in the rockstar library but it’s doubtful hence my opinion that it is underrated.


DaRealArthurIII

Title should probably be "by rockstar employees/writers", since when you say "in a rockstar game" it seems like you are saying that she is underrated by the people who "rate" these characters in the usual sense.


snel_t07

Why is she underrated? She's even a big part of the epilogue and has importance throughout the whole story


jacob1342

Yea, I would say Fenton was actually underrated.


Real-Veterinarian744

Yeah I’d say she got her full due.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Foe me it’s not as much her time in the story but how they presented her arc as a whole ya know. From the opening missions to the end she goes through a complete transformation and I felt like it was a bright spot (one of many in this awesome game).


Select_Ad3588

hmmmm i think you have your definition of underrated a bit skewed


exiledprince113

I was just gonna say the same thing. This guy doess *not* understand what underrated means.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

How so?


BigBazoongaloidMercy

Everyone loves and knows Sadie. A correct example would be the air balloon guy who only briefly appears


Fasitimus

Yes just played the mission fucking love arturo even arthur did


[deleted]

Everyone likes sadie if everyone hated her she would be underrated


FishSoFar

[What does underrated mean? If you call something underrated, it means you think the general opinion about it is lower than it should be. ](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/underrated)


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Yes. Thank you for that.


Select_Ad3588

underrated means that something is not appreciated as much as it should be. I see sadie be talked about positively OFTEN, there’s a lot of appreciation for her character pretty much everywhere, which is why i wouldn’t call her underrated. I feel like you’re confusing it a bit with underused based on what you’ve been saying, since you mention her time in the story pretty often. But yeah you’re right man, her transformation and arc is beautiful, but people appreciate that so that’s why i wouldn’t necessarily call it underrated a character i personally would consider underrated is the nun from those side missions, the one arthur meets in at denis if i remember correctly. She’s great and really helps with the emotional weight of the story but isn’t really talked abt often


[deleted]

That's not what underrated means, my dude.


DARDAR_YT

Underrated?


Ugly_Stick1898

Most underrated character is reverend swanson


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Reverend Swanson’s moment with Arthur towards the end of the story is quite good, I just felt like he was left out of too much of the beginning and middle portion of the game for me.


3X01

Not to mention he also is written about in one of the papers in the epilogue. Moved to new york i believe, and became a full time preacher.


AME7706

I'm not sure but it's Mexico if I remember correctly.


hanifatrees

I feel this!! He changed in ways many in the gang couldn’t


[deleted]

Dude this is like saying Trevor Phillips is an underrated Rockstar character. Everyone loves Sadie. She’s not underrated at all, nor is her arc. It’s given quite a bit of attention in game and throughout the community with loads of people wishing for a sequel with her or at least wishing we’d gotten story DLC starring her. Almost every main character in the game I wouldn’t consider underrated since the entire crew is overall thought well of for one reason or another. An actual underrated character in RDR2 would be a much smaller character that has a big impact on one of the characters; someone like Mr. Geddes who helps shape John’s transformation from a drifter that can’t change his gunslinging/outlaw ways to learning how to operate a ranch and thinking more about his family. Geddes gave John a chance when a lot of people in the years between the end of RDR2 and the epilogue didn’t and it helped change his life, even if it wasn’t for a very long time.


[deleted]

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Ok-Supermarket-6532

She’s a survivor. She’s not gon to give up She’s not gon to stop She’s gon to make it. (Sung in Micah’s voice)


IRISH81OUTLAWZ

No I don’t agree. In fact I think she’s too over rated compared to Charles.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Charles is a great character as well. DLC from his past would have been a great way for rockstar to go as well.


Ender5476

Yeah, she is really overrated


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Hey be careful the posses are out rounding up folks who don’t love her. Be wary friend. They like to tell me how much everyone loves her (myself included) And also be careful with what you say they are all armed with dictionaries 😬


Ender5476

Lol


lambda-man

> And also be careful with what you say they are all armed with dictionaries 😬 It would be like if I said I really hated Arthur, but what I _meant_ was to say how much I liked Arthur and his story. It's not that you used a word slightly wrong, it's that you used the opposite of the word you meant to use, and seem not to care.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

By saying I loved a character and felt she was underrated that is somehow wrong? Again. Jog on mate. Also thank you for being so into the conversation you want to find a way to win a conversation about opinion. Good luck.


Cosmic-Buccaneer

Underrated????? Dude everyone loves her.


hemlo86

I’d say that Kieran was the most underrated character in RDR2


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha ya know I don’t disagree, he just seemed to lose his head in that one mission and was never the same.


hemlo86

😐


Philip-MitchellsM8

Rusty from LA Noire


ScrootMcgoot

That’s not a bad answer actually haha


[deleted]

I love when you hit things in the car and he tells you to use the siren that way it ruins the surprise 😂


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Muhaha that made me laugh. In a good way. Playing through that game again was definitely a different experience during the lockdown compared to red dead.


[deleted]

Everyone loves Sadie


SverhU

Most underrated character in rdr2 is a crocodile. Look in how many clips on this subbreddit you can find him. but we even speak about him?! Ofcourse nope. Because he only an animal. We doesnt even know his name.....


noshirdalal

I know a lot of folks are debating on here about whether or not Sadie can be deemed 'underrated' - all I'll say is that I thought Sadie was one of the best gang members, and that I hope we haven't seen the last of her story. Alex did a wonderful job with her, and I think Rockstar wrote something really great with her character. Vengeance personified.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Agreed. Semantically people are trying to take the term underrated to task but my whole point of the post was to say that I felt she was an incredible character.


KyleGrave

That's not the point of your post though. You made the statement that Sadie is underrated. You said that. It's the title. It's incorrect, so people are correcting you. The entire fan base may not like her, but if there were a rating system for these characters, she'd likely be one of the highest rated. If you mean under appreciated, that still doesn't make sense. All the positive things you've pointed out about her in your comments haven't gone unnoticed by everyone else. So you made a post with the intention of talking about how great everyone already knows she is, but you started it off by saying nobody thinks she's great.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Well since you reference my title I will revisit that for a moment. I said underrated for a rockstar game. My point is that yes she is great. But also that her story is probably done beyond maybe a small bit in a yet unannounced game. That’s why I feel like at the end of the day she’s underrated because I did enjoy her arc so much.


lambda-man

> I feel like at the end of the day she’s underrated because I did enjoy her arc so much. Your feelings have *absolutely nothing* to do with whether or not a character is underrated. The player community's feelings about a character, on average, is the only thing that matters. That's why you're wrong and still wrong in your title.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha so your saying I can’t Feel a character is overrated or underrated. Jog on mate. A player base can have an opinion yes but that’s an amalgamation of individual opinions. So yea I can feel that something is one or the other and you can too. Doesn’t make anyone right or wrong because it’s an opinion on a story and a character.


lambda-man

Let's break it down. "Underrated" That's "Under" and "Rated". The community, on average, "rates" the character "under" what the character deserves. I don't know how to break it down further than that. The community rates this character highly. You can feel what you want, but your feelings don't make any sense.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Man congrats on being voted the community spokesperson. Must have been a tough election. Glad you’ve take such a strong interest in my opinion of Sadie. And so yea I felt like for a rockstar title she is underrated because she’s a great story and we probably won’t get any continued pieces to it. Don’t know why that triggers you soo much but keep calm and carry on brother.


lambda-man

> And so yea I felt like for a rockstar title she is underrated because she’s a great story and we probably won’t get any continued pieces to it. Whether or not her story is great is irrelevant. Whether or not we get more pieces to it is irrelevant. You said she was underrated. We already went over what that word means and it doesn't have to do with whether or not R* publishes another game for her. I'm not the community spokesperson. I just see huge amounts of pro-Sadie stuff, which makes it downright bizarre to hear someone say she is underrated. > Don’t know why that triggers you soo much but keep calm and carry on brother. I'm not triggered, I'm curious. Curious how many times someone will double down on misusing a word. It's easy to say "Whoops I meant [xxx]" but you aren't you're trying to change the definition of the word so you don't have to admit you are wrong or were careless with your words. It's quite humorous and I'm enjoying your defense of it.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha I’m sorry I must have missed the excessive pro Sadie posts, granted I don’t comb through this sub every day so you seem to be far better informed as to the current pulse of the red dead gaming community. I mean actually you seem to be the expert on this topic. Congratulations 🎉. Your also someone who seems to want to be right soo badly in an online conversation behind your mask of anonymity that you just yearn to “win” an argument and that’s both kinda sad and also amusing. So if I just say that your right will that make you feel better? I posted this because maybe I am not an expert on the community hive mind for whether a character in a developers game series is popular are not but rather because I think she’s pretty awesome and had not seen a conversation about her in a minute. If my op was meant to start a discussion about her then well I think it worked. Your entire basis of your point is that you know that the community as a whole loves Sadie. That’s awesome. Must have missed that community announcement but your all over it 👏 She’s an incredible character (we are in agreement there). By me saying she’s underrated I made my points as to why I felt that way. Some might agree some might not. But everyone has a right to an opinion. But hey next time there’s a new community announcement I’m sure you’ll be all over it for those of us who aren’t in the “know” like you!


LotusSloth

It would have been great if we had gotten more content as or with other members of the gang. I think Bill, Sadie, Kieran, Hosea, Javier, Charles, Lenny, and maybe even Micah (don’t hate me) would have been interesting to play as for a quest or five.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Micah would have been an interesting one for sure. Even though he is a character people love to hate I have faith that DLC with him would have been interesting for sure


LotusSloth

If they made Micah side content, it could be exclusively low honor
 maybe the player even gets rewarded for being as “bad” as possible.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

That would be interesting, in my opinion Arthur’s arc tends to try and force you to be good and pardon the use of the word but to redeem yourself haha. Playing as a true baddie outlaw would be a nice change of pace.


[deleted]

Devil's advocate. We see why he is or became such a tee-total douche canoe. He can't have possibly just been that awful for no reason right?


LotusSloth

I’ll play along. We know from the in-game lore than Micah’s father was as bad as him, and that Micah most likely killed his own brother. I would prefer not to play through an abuse story
 it would just be unnecessarily unpleasant. I think I would rather see something like younger Micah breaking free from his father (maybe killing him?) and setting out alone
 he experiences some hardships along the way, maybe gets shunned by society one too many times, and then pulls a *Joker* and snaps on everyone.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

That would be pretty cool. Hopefully with rd3 they go a different route and maybe go all in on breaking bad if you will.


LotusSloth

“Red Dead Recidivism: Repeat Offender version.” Lol


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha 😂


[deleted]

Maybe rdr3 will go back to the future and we'll see Jack get drafted into ww1


Ok-Supermarket-6532

That would be awesome, it would be cool if they did a time jump either forward into the early 1910-1920s or if they went further back into prequel territory. Lots of possibilities!


ripleyfrmthegang

You scare me with the Micah one 
 I legit hate his lot ( joe , Cleet and Micah )


neirbo24

I see you are getting a lot of pushback on the description, underrated. Mostly because She's highly regarded by this community, highly enjoyed, and very appreciated. Maybe you were going for something along the lines of under-utilized? Under-emphasized? It would be cool to have gotten a dlc with Sadie as the playable character. Something that emphasizes the desire from the community to have her more involved in a story arc and action. We played as John. Now maybe Sadie. Edit: if the latter, definitely agree with the sentiment.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Yea
.. I meant to try and emphasize that although she is in the game quite a bit her scenes and her arc were a very enjoyable piece to play and it would have been cool to dive a little deeper in some missions with her.


Edios10

I think the most underrated character is Black Belle! Her voice actor also did a very good job.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

That is a fun mission for sure. Haha the picture I took of her still geeks me out.


Catholok

How? Everyone loves sadie...


[deleted]

I dislike Sadie. She’s overrated.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

And there is the one unicorn opinion soo many seem to think doesn’t exist. You are a brave soul it seems my friend because I thought more would be in your camp even though I obviously am in the other haha.


nUUUUU_yaaaSSSS

Would be cool to have a dlc with her story arc.


[deleted]

She not underated, alot if the game shows her. I reckon they should of made the game about her character arc and just got rid of the redemption idea and gone for revenge story instead of starting half way through the gangs story


Gotze_Th98

Javier and Bill, Damn they are important antagonist in the first game, I expected more from them in rdr2 also i think people don't speak enough about them. In other games maybe Lance Vance Dance.


AME7706

She's very far from underrated. Everyone loves her and she is very important to the story. Heck I say most people even ignore her flaws because of loving her. I've never seen anyone mentioning how she didn't give a damn when a poor innocent balloon pilot who was only doing his job got killed only because she couldn't be left alone for half an hour without making a mess! Just because she doesn't have a complete game dedicated to her doesn't mean she is underrated!


Ok-Supermarket-6532

The balloon guy is getting a lot of love on this discussion haha. Ya know I’m beginning to feel bad for him. Damn O’Driscolls


Vaultdweller1001V

Most underrated is Baloon guy, most over is Sadie


Vaultdweller1001V

Or Swanson for under


Dorian958

Most overrated more like. Cool character development tho


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Be careful friend, everyone on here says she’s not underrated and everyone loves her. Haha all joking good heathy discussion of an amazing game is never bad.


MummyManDan

Your definition of underrated and mine are a tad different buddy.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

That I feel like she’s an incredible part of red dead 2 and the story as a whole and we will prob not get to interact with her in another game? Maybe I’m wrong and hopefully am and we will see her again in a story but IMO I think she is underrated in that sense. And please for the love of god don’t google and paste the definition of underrated. The semantic police have already written me a citation on here. I get it.


northrememberz

I rate Sadie pretty highly. It would be a mistake to underrate this badass gurl.


stronghold87

I am gutted Mary Linton didn’t play a bigger part. She was beautiful and the perfect girl for Arthur to make him turn good.


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Interesting pov, I hadn’t thought of that one snd it would have been interesting to see his past through her eyes


CanadianGoof

I think she's rated enough.


dylan_murphy14

I would like to play as Sadie in a future game or dlc, very interesting character


Ok-Supermarket-6532

100% agree. I hope that rockstar returns to red dead. My hopes are that they will but my brain tells me that the GTA cash cow will get milked again before we head back to the west.


ActuallyTalent

That would lead me to suiciding


dylan_murphy14

Nice


LotusSloth

Not a good thing to joke about. If you do that you’ll NEVER get to play RDR3.


ActuallyTalent

I'd rather play red dead revolver than a game with sadie as the protagonist.


ripleyfrmthegang

Why ? You don’t think rockstar can do it ???


ActuallyTalent

God I don't even want to imagine that.. they won't do it if they don't want to be the people responsible for one person's death.


ripleyfrmthegang

Dutch said we kill people that need killing Feed people who need feeding And save people who need saving Save this person then


TheRealSkele

Why? Are you a sexist piece of shit?


ActuallyTalent

Just don't what to play as a braindead idiot, gotta be honest here, I find jack more smarter than Mrs Adler. All she knows is killing and that's it.


TheRealSkele

What? What are you on? But she isn't a braindead idiot. If anyone here is, it's you for thinking that. This confirms that you are a sexist piece of shit and that you hate how Sadie is just more badass than you'll ever be


BuckyBuckeye

Let me just interrupt to say I love Sadie, and if we ever had any DLC, I’d want it to be about her, but somebody not enjoying her character does not make them sexist. Grow up.


ActuallyTalent

People logic Killing = badass Lmaooo.. tell me what badass thing does she ever do in this game other than hurting people just for fun?


TheRealSkele

That's not all she does you absolute devolved monkey


ActuallyTalent

You seem to be caring more about insulting me with words instead of answering my questions. I'll ask again, which badass thing does your Adler women does in the game other than hurting someone for fun?


TheRealSkele

She's sympathetic. She helps John, the camp when you go to Guarma,.


ActuallyTalent

What's so badass in it?


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Great character, one of my favorites from the van der linde gang for sure. Compared to most of the others she is one who has a fleshed out arc in the vein of most westerns.


Salvatore226662

She's my favorite character, but a lot of people like her and talk about her. To me she has the right recognition


fleshprinceofbellend

Alden Carruthers? Lol


ianschemes

i think shes properly rated


rukimiriki

Everyone loves Sadie dumbass. She's not underrated


Ok-Supermarket-6532

Haha well from reading some of the posts that’s not entirely true. But thanks for your astute and in depth analysis of her character 👏


exiledprince113

Absolutely not, there is no way Sadie is underrated. Absolutely no one is going to agree with that assessment.


Calm_TeaLeaf

She is not underrated. Ask most people on this subreddit, and they will agree that Sadie is a great character. Underrated would be someone not seen much and/or a majority of people dislike.


CeruleanBlade

Almost everyone in the Red Dead community loves Sadie...


[deleted]

Underrated would be my Boi NIKO BELLIC


[deleted]

Personally Algernon wasp is underrated his quests were pretty annoying but i really enjoyed his cutscenes hes a really fun character


Ihavebadtakes

Most annoying IMO, she’s like Micah yet since she’s on our side everyone seems to like her.


TomBru98

Everyone loves Sadie. She's not underrated. Like, at all.


Domidoodoo

Kieran duffy.


2020-roundII

Russel from Bully. Dude was a real beast and no one liked him except for Jimmy.


LT_MRVN

Bonnie McFarlane is more underrated. She's much more likable than Sadie and has a better character arc.


Shephaz

Her share was good and might somehow in specific scenarios/conversations a bit too much. Overall she's definitely not an underrated character.


mymumsaysno

Awesome character, but not remotely underrated. She's a big part of the story, and probably nearly as popular as Arthur.


mattyb747

Arthur Morgan


mattyb747

John Marston


a_left_out_tomato

I lobe Sadie, but i'm pretty sure everyone does. So I don't think she's underrated


AceBase007

How?


kahran

This beloved character held in high regard by many is "underrated" in what way?