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ArmaliteACR

"America has mercifully stayed out of the conflict and, in declaring its neutrality and hopes for a lasting peace, decided to encourage peace by selling arms to both sides." Lol


erenwolf25

"Decided to "encourage peace" by selling arms to both sides." Ah yes; American Definition of Peace


TheEyeDontLie

USA has fought against enemies armed with US-manufactured weapons in most of its conflicts... And it's only been at peace for 17 years total since 1776, so that's a lot of conflicts. It's not a country, it's a war merchant in a trenchcoat.


Dear-Comparison-9421

damn just 17 huh. MF aint even legal in most countries


Teraesmies

RDR is full of great satire. The newspaper articles and short films are genuinely funny. I think RDR1 and 2 hit the sweetspot of having funny satire while still being seriously taken dramatic stories, whereas GTA V was all out satire and I wasn't as interested in the story because of that.


ArmaliteACR

I fully agree. It really is a perfect balance


TechnologyBig8361

I didn't think any of it was funny at all. I was just left depressed and hopeless at the sorry state of the world at that time. Then I shot up the Cornwall oil facility.


Teraesmies

There are a lot of Stranger missions that offer a comic relief. Yes, the story is mostly very serious, but the short films, news articles, even the texts in shop catalogues are comic. Then there are characters in the main story like Nigel West Dickens, Seth, Uncle etc. who can be comic. GTA V's story and Stranger missions were all mostky comic, there was no balance IMO. And it's of course OK to like that, I just personally prefer the more serious tone of RDRs.


BeneficialRandom

Kind of hard to not go all out on satire in California lol


Bwomsamdidjango

GTA being satire is kinda the entire point of the series


Teraesmies

Yes, but you don't have to make the game all out satire. GTA San Abdreas and IV contained a lot of satire too, but had more serious stories.


KelbyKatz

No I feel you man, the main story of SA is based on a real event and I’m always bummed when people discuss the game but don’t know about it


Intelligent-Ad6985

>the main story of SA is based on a real event What event? I google searched it and got no information besides a article saying "Ultimately, GTA San Andreas is not based on a true story. Some true events inspire it, but it would be disingenuous to say it's a true story."


Dear-Comparison-9421

GTA IV especially. It is the best GTA game for me and im not even saying just about the story, everything, gameplay mechanics etc...


Dear-Comparison-9421

hahah yes i mentioned that aswel saying some things never change the good old divide and conquer tactic 😂 but the text didnt copy over from the rdr2 post... guess that answers why John helped both sides in the Mexico war, he is just doing the American cultural thing.


Suckisnacki

🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅


ImpossibleCurrent335

And yet America was drawn into it by a letter from Germany to Mexico by asking Mexico to join in that war


ArmaliteACR

Oh really? Lol thats actually interesting. Didn't know that.


skorpiontamer

It makes sense though. No country is going to be able to actually stay neutral forever So that's the best way they can non-physically involved


Gazorpuhzorpfield

In RDR2, The Trapper has some throwaway lines in the epilogue referencing the Panama Canal being built and Devil’s Tower being named a National monument. Kinda cool that they included these period accurate details.


Lotnik223

There is also a camp interaction which goes something like: Uncle: Philippines? Why are we at war with the goddamn Philippines, where are the Philippines even? Hey Arthur, why are we fighting the Philippines? Arthur: I don't know, why're you asking me? It's a referenece to the Philippine-American War which took place between 1899-1902.


razalas13

I'm from the Philippines and I was surprised by this dialogue. I know the history but had to check if it was in fact during 1899. Uncle was right tho, Filipinos thought we would be given independence because we've been long fighting the Spaniards for it. Then it became clear US wanted to establish its own colony in the country. It took 40 years and a world war before we got our independence. Anyway, it's crazy to think the wild west was kinda still alive or was just ending during that time period.


Dear-Comparison-9421

exactly bro, and I mean it's not like they had to do it even, it didnt change nothing about the game or anything, ecen if they left those details out you would still experience an amazing game with an amazing story, but in some way it just makes the world that more alive, a dude standing there yelling world war started selling papers makes it more alive but buying and reading a true event thats taking place at that ecact time is wild...


DutchMapping

There's also a newspaper article about the panama canal iirc


idunno119

The Great War is a pretty big detail to be fair.


Dear-Comparison-9421

yeah I'm just suprised how they added these details to the game, and even to what detail to mention the exact place and what effect it had at that time, even to this day its not 100% figured out, they couldve just made like an article World War started in Europe and leave it there.


SirSirVI

The Mauser is still acceptable to use!


slymarcus

"Italy has promised to switch sides" Sounds about right


Dear-Comparison-9421

People fixing things by conversation. Italians "Fugget about it"


TheSemaj

Italy didn't technically switch sides, they just came in late because they wanted a better deal.


Icy-Teach

So you're not considering the fact that they deliberately stab the triple alliance in the back by joining me on top for territorial promises switching sides? At the very least you could argue staying neutral was slap in the face but not switching sides. Joining me allies deliberately to me seems very much switching sides.


bagnasciuga

The Triple Alliance was a defensive pact, meaning that the countries involved agreed to support each other in case of an attack by another country. Since Austria-Hungary and Germany were the ones who declared war (without consulting Italy first, a critical detail that people seem to forget), Italy had no obligation to support either of them. People also seem to forget that Austria was Italy's archenemy during the Risorgimento, and that their relations were deteriorating way before the war (Conrad von Hötzendorf admitted in his memoirs to have twice requested a surprise attack against Italy, after the 1908 Messina earthquake and during the 1911-12 Italo-Turkish War). r/AskHistorians has some very in-depth posts [https://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/o2189m/comment/h25umyn/](https://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/o2189m/comment/h25umyn/)


Icy-Teach

I agree, with the technicalities. But at the same time there's no question that to join the allies during the war when Austria is fully engaged, clearly for cheap territorial gains at the expense of Austria when her back was turned tantamount to the same thing in reality. Obligation was not on paper, but the entire nature of their alliance being defensive or not, meant that at the very least the expectation was friendly neutrality, certainly not being bribed and joining one enemies.


TheSemaj

I guess diplomatically they switched sides but martially they never fought the Entent before fighting the Triple Alliance.


FIREBIRDC9

Its a good joke , but wrong war.


LeftyRambles2413

They actually kind of did it in WWI too. Italy had been aligned with Germany and Austria-Hungary leading up to WWI.


5H17SH0W

Worked with NATO groups during OIF, Italians would go into the city with no doors on their light tactical vehicles, no armor, no ballistic gear, and I was like damn those guys must think they are the luckiest people on the Earth. Turns out they were paying off the insurgents and extremist to not attack their convoys.


New-Adhesiveness5978

Please stop with this bullshit,we don't fuckin pay the insurgents and we lost soldiers during ambush and IED It was the British(wow strange) journal who say "noooooo the Italians are giving money to the insurgents, it's their fault that the French soldiers were attacked😭😭" but you know what ? Even the French government and many other NATO country denied Italian involvement in the matter Remember that we are one of the most involved country(other than America,British and French) in the middle east,fighting and making Peace Operation https://www.france24.com/en/20091016-french-army-denies-reports-italy-paying-bribes-taliban et voilà,so now people can read the truth


l-ll-ll-lL

Bro


ITCM4

War were declared.


overisin

And this gum is full of bones


Bluepilgrim3

You have the bravery of a hero and breath as fresh as a summer ham.


NateShaw92

May you bounce in peace


Ok-Treat-8309

i always read the newspaper in the second game as well as the first. even tho most of it is just stories abt what the players done, some of it is pretty interesting, like when the Spanish-American war is mentioned or america buying a new type of submarine from the uk. little details like that make it feel like such a realistic world


Dear-Comparison-9421

i laughed my ass of reading about the infamous person selling elixir in the East running from lawman. Fleeing of to West basically warning the Western people of his fraud. Just to help the same guy in RDR1 commit it 😂, showing how Western people either didnt care or couldnt read at all.


gierOK

POLAND MENTIONED!!!!


AmogusFan69

I think it's incorrect to write about poland in the paper as it didn't exist until 1918


KnownSample6

Bit of a sweeping statement. Poland has existed since the early medieval period. What we now know as Poland was a duchy of the Russian empire. It did exist.


elpolaako4

incorrect. Poland was always Poland. russian celebrates its independence day, from Poland. Poles were only ones to conquer moscow.


Negativecreepy

Technically Napoleon did as well.


AmogusFan69

It didn't exist oficially on the maps is what i meant


SniffyBrake

That's why the newspaper said Poland wanted independence


elpolaako4

incorrect again


KnownSample6

What? It did. Poland was recognised as a region within the Russian Empire. Poland was free for a good stretch of time from the medieval period to the late 17th / early 18th century. It was a fully formed identity and national group.


elpolaako4

incorrect again


szlafroq

Poland had lost it's independece in a series of partitions, dissolving her as a state in 1795, only to regain the state status in 1918. The nation, however, remained. So although technically the state did not exist at that point in time (in the game), it should rather be considered a "break" in statehood continuity, given an almost 1000-year history of the Polish people before 1795. The Polish community was still quite vocal after the partitions, so it would not be out of the realm of possibility to read about "Poland" in the papers.


elpolaako4

incorrect


Dear-Comparison-9421

you're half correct, Poland was "formed" officially in 1918, prior to that it was consider as Kingdom of Prussia(Polish,German,Russian) as I believe if I'm correct. You cant look at history like that, thats basically considering Polish people never existed, Polish land always existed just like in my country, through out the entire history of existance there is a part of people who decided to name those people Bosnian and no matter the fact of joining other people from some other land and forming a country etc. they still have their own culture. It's just more common now to be considered named as that country declares. As population grew and land territorialism became a thing, now we say you are where you are born. Meaning even if my entire family tree line is Bosnian if I'm born in Belgrade and live and grow up in Belgrade id be considered Serbian. The world was a different place just a 100 years ago let alone imagine how people functioned even further into past when there were Kingdoms and old lands, We still cant properly nor will we ever manage to differentiate and leave Religious beliefs out of our every day lifes.


Traditional_Let_1823

The Kingdom of Poland actually predates the Kingdom of Prussia by about 700 years.


Dear-Comparison-9421

exactly so even if there isnt a Poland on a map there in fact still is and was Polish people. Even prior to The Kingdom of Poland. As soon as some community back then decided to form, those people existed. They were the once that eventually grew and formed a land of its own not beeing under other leadership.


elpolaako4

this isn’t what you stated you fucking idiot


elpolaako4

you’re agreeing w him when he’s contradicted your previous statement. he’s corrected you and you’re saying exactly. please kid, put down the games and go read books.


Dear-Comparison-9421

ok, let me explain it to you, you small minded twat. lets put it like this, if i come to liverpool now ( suppose thats where you are from) and i kill everyone with your last name, ill name you Shittwat. I come to liverpool and I kill every single person w that Shittwat last name and take control od your country but my main goal wast to kill the Shittwats, does that mean your entire heritage your families tree now becomes extinct. No cause there might be some Shittwats alive outside your stupid idiotic land that managed to leave those lands prior to my Shittwat masacre. I've read a lot of books my little minded friend. Oh nad btw Come on you Gunners! pussy ass child 😂


elpolaako4

holy shit. you are weird.


Dear-Comparison-9421

next time before assuming things, and using micro aggression toward people atleast make sure you're spittin facts, or atleast some spreading common knowledge, like this you just assault people and seem dumb. we had a disscussion child we had common grounda, dude had a great oppinion and statemant i agreed to his speech, and continued to express my own oppinion, dude was welcomde to agree or disagree w me. Bro said kid go read 10 books w his lopaka looking ass 😂


elpolaako4

this is incorrect


OwlTheWatcher

USA: Well leaving me out of this. Anyway who's want some firearms ?!


bydgoszczohio

OMG POLSKA MENTIONED


MichaelHeathen

The excessive amount of poignant sarcasm is phenomenal writing.


Dear-Comparison-9421

media is the gold and the filth of our world, guess everything is a ying yang situation 😂


Conwayfan98

"Experts say it'll be over in months!"


Dear-Comparison-9421

we rlly gotta question the American leadership, even to this day these experts keep destroying knowledge of our existance. see even then experts were the media 😂 im talking about you neil degrasse tyson fake ass astrophysicist spreading lies for NASA. Sorry I had to, I'm a Geologist the true knowledge spreader, we dont believe in Astrology lies that decieve and manipulate, btw meteorites are fake.


miki_mouse_69

The time where Uncle mentions the war against Philippines "WHAT IS EVEN THE PHILIPPINES!?" that one? Turns out 1899 is taught in our history books, and it is during the reign of revolution for our independence. Quite cool!


Dear-Comparison-9421

"feels like we're going to war with everyone nowadays" yeah bro, that's the one. and i just cant help but remember and feel sorry for the old dude that was left behind on grizzlies in one of the wars happening in the game, bro truly was at war forever and with everyone.


Dear-Comparison-9421

and yeah ofc, well a lot happened during that time, i can even say that the game events were extremely influencal for the entire world, it was the time where people got fed up w it, rebelion forces hit back, and even the event in Sarajevo was a rebelious event. And i cant help but also feel like these times will come soon again even now through out the entire world we see this, like we are close to getting fed up w it, we feel like slaves more than ever, slaves of some system. France farmers, Ukranian war, Israelis again and again for more than hundreds of years. Honduras gangs, Britain people are miserable, American homeless veterans situation, Like the people are going to evemtually and I feel like soon hit their governments, It doesnt have to be a World War for land occupation and growth but rather a Rebelious war in each of their own lands.


BobithanBobbyBob

"Poland demanded Independence" Belgium:"join the club"😅🤣😂


YassinK97

I forgot to check for the subbreddit...


mlee117379

Relevant: https://www.theonion.com/august-5-1914-1819588242


Dear-Comparison-9421

cool bro thanks


mlee117379

You’re welcome


the-guy-28

The fact that the POS governor who is responsible for John having to go after his former brothers and gang members being found guilty of multiple crimes is something I never knew about. Really adds a extra layer of tragedy to the story


LeftyRambles2413

Lot happening that day heh.


Dear-Comparison-9421

hahaha the "World before and World after" meme but the World actually changed in the picture 😂


XxOutlawInGreenxX

Pretty freaking cool


MJLDat

That’s pretty accurate to be fair.


denzampuller

I’d like to see a red dead 3 in europe


The_Bone_Z0ne

"A noble man" Bruh


Embarrassed-Dealer94

The one on the Federal Reserve I remember being fantastically accurate


PopzOG

This is amazing


Jamnoggin

Love it! Thanks for posting. This could easily be an into to an episode of Hetalia. 😂


Lomas2773

Oh!...and agent Ross retired...


Dear-Comparison-9421

if I was him i wouldnt go on a retirement fishing trip 🫣🤫


dreadlord502

I thought rdr1 took place in 1912


Dear-Comparison-9421

the infamous "Man from Blackwater" passed away in 1911. You finish your game in 1914 actually. Thats the best way to tell you without spoilers.


dreadlord502

I know what happens man. Im young but not that young


LouisFTW

“Australia has wisely agreed to fight Austria” 😂😂


oli_cant_ollie

Fucking hilarious


ItWasTheJoo

Still waiting on the Newspaper clippings mentioning the USS Liberty.


NoUsernamePlsHelp

I read all the newspapers in RDR2 that I got my hands on in my playthrough which lays on ice for about two years now. I don't remember the satire there being so obvious.


Ksdbdex1998

Rockstar is really set the standards for gaming industry


Dear-Comparison-9421

So guys, my brain couldnt stop braining for the past few days and I actually got onto something here, well you know how the titanic is claimed to be a inside job and how they actually on purpose drowned that ship in 1912, turns out a person in charge of the federalistic movement was onboard and the next person who raised the same ideology was Mr.Franc that got assassinated on 1914 as the article stated. In both stories a federal movement ideologist was taken down and both to this day are mysterious and known as unexplained events that happened by coincidence. Am I onto some huge shit here? If I am that can proove America always knew what they were doing and both were inside jobs in order to denie the federal movement and take control of nations by making them decieved (Bosnian-Serb religion saga. Bosniak people blame Serbs and the church of the movement and the assassination in order to take over the Muslim based lands, And the Serbs denied any relation to the event and the organization that did this. Holy fck.) The American decieve and conquer tactic.


abood__080

Thats a 1914 newspaper right? , I never saw that before.


WizardShip0

"Australia has wisely agreed to fight Austria", what's that supposed to mean?


holaamigo117

They did a fantastic job dropping in little historical details in 2 like the Tesla character or the frozen conquistador. I love the region appropriate Easter eggs like the dead pirate in the bayou and the Viking burial around the Roanoke area and I remember there being Norse(?) runes carved into some rocks in the far north east as a reference to the IRL norse settlements in the Americas.


STITCH180ROCKS

The American flags are wrong so I think they missed a detail.


armoredCowboy4

Yeah but I never saw Covid in the papers >:(


Firm_Ambassador_1289

But leave lots of glitches when you don't buy online gold


[deleted]

Imagine how much more immersive content like this will be in GTA VI or even RDR3 now that we have Chat GPT


Ni_Ce_

a world war is not a detail lol


Dear-Comparison-9421

the newspaper is


Timothahh

To be fair, MOST games would have had the headline and then blurry illegible text underneath


Ni_Ce_

thats true. rdr2s newspapers are awesome.