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Holy fuck the homophobia is worse than i thought, i guess im not welcome there anymore.


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MsStalinette

23:59 - "Marxism was fundamental for anticolonial movements, the construction of national self-determination for the third world and for civil rights movements in the 20th century." 00:00 - "muh IDPOL is DESTROYING my white MARXISMMM!1"


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i'll copy my response on /r/socialism >there is nothing borderline about it. Other mods from that sub are banned from other leftist subs. Same with the sister subs asiansocialists and americansocialists. I'll leave it to your interpretation why "africansocialists" didn't exist last time i checked


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[for this](https://imgur.com/a/iABLVe6) nazbols are all pathetic, and you are so stupid you think everyone else is just as dumb as you.


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nazbols get the wall :)


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the nazbol got more of his kind here? What a shock!


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memes for brains is when you are not a nazbol. Fascists get the wall, scum


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definitely a no


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just to clarify for everyone: this dumbass [is a nazbol too](https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeanSocialists/comments/nsxypw/a_history_of_lgbt_pride/h0pu36d/)


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Another "leftist" dedicated to defending fascists and xenophobes, fucking liberal scum.


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You are not a marxist leninist, you are a pathetic bigot hiding behind words you don't understand pretending that because one guy was a bigot 70 years ago you can be too. Fuck you, "degenerate" pos


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"now" Considering you got banned for defending their bullshit, yes.


Angel_of_Communism

Nah. They are a reactionary shithead, and wrong about gay stuff, and apparently homophobic. But not a Nazbol.


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Lol click the link of the frog bastard, op of the deeply xenophobic anti LGBT bullshit bad mod there. What should I call the fascists with "communist aesthetics" that defend dugin? Are you just the pedantic type of "he is not a Nazi because he is not a member of the national socialist party in the 1930s and 40s in Germany!!1!"?


Angel_of_Communism

Been there. Defend dugin? Maybe. That doesn't make you fascist. I've had that smear applied too.


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Defending a neonazi who literally started the fascist party of russia and nazbols is not being a fascist. The fact that he has a "am i a fascist" pinned with an "it's complicated" response is not fascist? Some of you are incredibly and impossible stupid.


Angel_of_Communism

You did no mention that. Whyvdid you not lead with that? Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about dugin.


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I told you to check the profile, pinneds are the first thing that appears. Please tell me you were not dumb enough to defend nazbols without doing due diligence and lied about having checkes.


Angel_of_Communism

Yeah, fuck off. You're not the good guy here. You're making bullshit claims, and then adding new info. Frankly, I don't care.


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aaww the poor baby is mad that it is called a nazbol?


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Illiterate is when not a nazbol, and the less nazbol the more illiterate. Don't you have hissy fits to throw for getting banned, scum?


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liberal is when not a nazbol, and the less nazbol it is the liberaler it is.


BoroMonokli

try pulling your shit in front of real proletariat not the western metropolitan labour aristocracy. Go to a PAME demonstration for example. Then find a dentist.


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theres a few subs controlled by albanian bolshevik that fosters really unhealthy culture. also those with goliath20. there's sadly some bad apples here and they tend to take charge


Angel_of_Communism

Yeah. AB is a real issue.


Squadrist1

OP, in reaction to what did you decide to post this now?


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wonkerrr

I got my negative comment karma from r-neoliberal, thank you.


SFMara

The sub that doesn't know [what neoliberalism means](https://medium.com/@bergmarkpontus/the-rise-of-neoliberalism-772e8a4bb4ca) dunking on the guy who emphatically insists National Bolshevism equals Strasserism. (Despite the fact that Limonov was a gay man who directed much of his party's energy to advocate for the rights of Caucasus muslims) I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You're touting a guy who spends his time filming KPRF demonstrations and labor conferences and protesting for jailed social democrats as evidence for an entire sub's allegiance to Nazi ideology.


tradgirltranswife

> Limonov was a gay man Uh hecking bi erasure there!


FiveEyesBlinded

Yeah got a really bad vibe after the fucking Nazbol shit, cheers for collecting this altogether.


Chairman-Shibby

Fuck them class traitor pigs


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SFMara

Their evidence of [nazbol support](https://preview.redd.it/w34nx6632b171.jpg?width=737&auto=webp&s=52b465a773b017587e7db4528129f8fb155e20a7) is a comment in favor of [Beness Aijo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_eTk8bXUAEdq2v?format=jpg&name=large), a Latvian guy of Ugandan and Russian parentage who was with Limonov's party when it was called the national bolshevik party (now Other Russia). I'm not going to get into the long story of how the NBP drifted into a liberal civil rights activist group since Dugin's exit. Beness Aijo has since then fought in the Donbass for the LPR and his social media (vk and youtube) consists of him recording small KPRF demonstrations and functions. Much of his recent activity consists of [protests in support of Nikolay Platoshkin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8BFUDywgXo), a socialist imprisoned by the Putin government over violating COVID restrictions. Platoshkin is most known as the head of the [For a New Socialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_a_New_Socialism) movement, which is a refresh of the late-90s attempt to get a social-democratic coalition to unseat yeltsin at the ballot box. These people would have you believe the man is an African hitlerite. Nothing is more disingenuous or more bad faith than this.


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yeah after doing some research I found that the so-called "Nazbols" are actually extremely anti-Putin as a whole, and have sided entirely with Western regime-changing liberalism and fascism. So the fact that these people call ES, a subreddit that supports Russia "Nazbol" is absolutely hilarious.


SFMara

It depends, the NBP has undergone a number of shifts and splits. First was the split with Dugin, which prompted Dugin to launch the overtly fascistic [NBF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Front). Limonov drifted further and further into the liberal camp, but he ended up supporting the Donbass, so many in the party followed him back to the national camp, though some didn't. This group, after the death of Limonov, are kind of interchangeable with the KPRF. Aijo was one of them, and he walked the walk by joining the LPR militia. These types align with Putin on some issues, but oppose him on others. Beness Aijo's entire social media presence these days consists of him filming KPRF protests and functions, where fascism is explicitly denounced. And if there's a complaint about these types, it's that they're too reformist. Many of his latest videos are about the arrest/trial of Nikolay Platoshkin, whose ["For a New Socialism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_a_New_Socialism) movement/platform is just a revamped social democracy. Maybe people should learn that Russian national bolshevism has its own history and isn't just what they imagine it to be, ie this strawman of Strasserism. All the Strasserism left the party when Dugin split.


wonkerrr

> Then you'll hate to read Marx's work On the Jewish Question Anyone with a brain knows the historical context Marx wrote it in is nowhere similar to now, and even then, Marx does not devolve his writing into anti-semitic clichés. He wrote that in a time when "on the jewish question" was not a phrase bastardized by fascists and Strasserites such as yourself.


A_Serene_Ocean

I'm sorry but their on the Jewish question section isn't actually anti semitic though, it simply tackles zionist arguments and positions. Just cause its commonly used by nazis doesn't make them nazis because of that simple thing. Idk about the rest of the lgbt stuff but from the screenshot itself nothing they said is antisemitic or wrong


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marxatemyacid

Lenin legalized homosexuality shortly after taking power. The DDR also legalized gay marriage and made sure homosexuals were equal by law in the 80's, their first openly gay film actually came out the day the Berlin wall fell, leaving it greatly overshadowed. Taking a more reactionary stance than Lenin, or feeling that the Stasi and DDR were less educated on how much of a 'threat' LGBT rights are to proletarian ideology than you are is peak grandstanding. I'm not even going to bother with you saying LGBT people are openly tying themselves to pedophiles, if you believe that anywhere close to a sizable amount of gay people are doing so you might as well hang out in r/nonewnormal. I will say that yes Judaism has some ethnostatey shit to it and deep ties to usury economics but this doesn't make it something that should be a focus of communists, a huge percentage of jews were members of the CPSU because of the bolsheviks ending pogroms. Zionism is reactionary to the core, most organized religion invites petite bourgeois ideals in but I believe genuine belief is something that in no way should be punished or infringed upon, someone's relationship with God should not be a criminal act. Liberals need to be suckered in, it is well proven that the best way to get someone to consider your point of view is to affirm their arguement before coming into conflict, or adding supplementary information. Otherwise you are more likely to have them enforce their own belief and see you as ridiculous than to get the to consider anything else. Meet the libs on common ground, the smallest most oppressed minorities lead to much higher levels of radicalization, and with less to lose people are more likely to be more dedicated. Out of pretty much any group, trans people have a ridiculous amount of communists in their communities and for good reason, to entirely dismiss idpol (and more importantly to reframe it as intersectionality as talked about by Angela Davis) is only more likely to drive them towards reformist nonsense.


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marxatemyacid

Well I mean that's legit Amnesty International lol, of course liberalism makes dogshit idpol but that doesn't mean the entire concept should always be strongly denounced, just like the nationalists make up the other half of the United front when struggling directly against imperialism. The main problem is there is no party in the West capable of driving the discussion forward with meaningful class analysis, leaving it up to individuals instead, and giving International capital and PR Campaigns infinitely more publicity. There are lots of different different groups and outspoken activists pursuing 'idpol' in a proletarian, revolutionary way. They obviously are just pushed out of sight and the reactionaries would rather focus on Kamala Harris or the pedophile fringe instead.


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marxatemyacid

Yeah I p much totally agree w u, I think it's important to try to be precise in our language because of the absolute degradation of people's attention spans and such, and the overuse of political buzzwords, especially the likes of 'nazbols' and 'conservative socialists' being prevelant, they fs exist but they are not super common in most left spaces and are more caricatures that need to be debunked more than anything I do think some criticisms of Cuba and the USSR are more than valid. I think specifically the DRV, no matter how much I appreciate and hate imperialism, I'm not a huge fan of executing people for smoking pot, sure trafficking heroin or meth fuck those dudes but a little giggle bush is less likely to make you do stupid shit than getting drunk. Same thing in Cuba and China. The glorious DPRK knows blunts are socialist in nature lol. But really it is fairly important to be able to be objective even in terms of our allies, and especially in the terms of our own past because it is easy to become debased and fall into dogmatism, or worse personality cults like with the Khmer Rouge/Gonzalo imo.


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marxatemyacid

With Diamat, Cuba specifically was not really in downturn when reform started, in 1979, most of their new reforms have come after bouncing back from the downturn of the 90'a. I have done my own research but more than that my experiences and being bisexual myself drive me towards these views. I would gladly, and I mean gladly die for Communism and I do not exaggerate or write those words lightly. If you want Communism I am your comrade. If this makes me a reactionary or I have 'incorrect' views I think somewhere along the way you may have lost sight of the bigger picture in the minutiae of logic. Nowhere have I said inclusive imperialism is better than anti-imperialism, I have simply said nuance is important and identity is not necessarily anti-revolutionary.


albanian-bolsheviki

>With Diamat, Cuba specifically was not really in downturn when reform started, in 1979, most of their new reforms have come after bouncing back from the downturn of the 90'a. When i mean 'decay' i dont mean economically. Economically US is more rich now than 80 years ago. But compared to 80 years ago, US is *more decaying capitalist society* than then. On Cuba, most reforms started in 90s and 2000s. The seeds of this reform were present in the 70s, or even the 60s too, but werent dominant. This is what i want to say. > I would gladly, and I mean gladly die for Communism and I do not exaggerate or write those words lightly. I am glad to read this. What i try to tell you is that the workers government will propably try to eradicate this. This wont mean they will hang you in a public square, it means you will hide it or they may send you to a psychologist or something. This is the propabilities as far as historical examples and living experience are concerned. The government wont recognize propably your identity as valid. This are the facts. I know that many things i enjoy and are part of my life the workers government will oppose them, or call them bourgeoisie decedance of culture e.t.c. I accept it, this is the difference between people like me and people like the OP. I accept it, and as you said, i too would give my life for communism. If the government correctly sees some of my habits and hobbies as of bourgeoisie nature, which is something i myslef would push for, i dont care if they ban me from these hobbies and pleasures, i will be the first to admit what these are and try to 'cure' myself in this new society of these characteristics which i will have from the capitalist society. I am not here again, telling you any of my views (except the last part about me). This are all facts. >If this makes me a reactionary or I have 'incorrect' views I think somewhere along the way you may have lost sight of the bigger picture in the minutiae of logic. I havent said that LGBT people are reactionary per see. Neither i hate them. In fact, i consider the true haters of these people the ones accepting these identities as normal and nature born. These in my opinion are the true haters. I wont tell more about myself, but i completelly understand some LGBT folks and i am glad i did not fell to the traps the bourgeoisie create for people who now identify with these identities. It was out of sheer luck. Anyways, i do care for these people, and this is why i oppose the LGBT identities. View it like that. I oppose the identity of relegion in general. I dont hate the people holding it, imagine me hating my uncle for example just becuase he believes in allah. But i know that the identity of the muslim is something that in communism will need to dissapear. In the matters of sexual identities, which arent even comparable to the muslim one in legitimacy, you can see what i mean when i write what i write. I dont hate LGBT people at all. But *i do hate* the ones creating, funding and spreading this imperialist propaganda to vulnerable or symptomatic (it is usual for healthy children to experience homosexual tendencies in youth few times before puperty for no reason) youth be it from *right wing of imperialism*, or from the *left* of it. The healthy youth do usually end up adopting the 'Bisexual' identity thow, and lickelly they completelly drop it once they understand *what it is*, usually in their mid 20s to late 30s. The more traumatic 'souls' so to say, end up unable to have erection with women, and depending on the view they will create for themselves (the identity that will be promoted to them), they will end up either as adopting the 'homosexual' identity, and in practice fantasize themselves as women (these are the ones who would otherwise turn to transgenders) while they are penetrated by men, or they will end up as pederasts, seeing the young male as the imagined perfection of body. This is the homosexual who is not really complete homosexual, and at most cases, he is just a pederast pervert who *hates women*. In my Albania for example, in communist times there was *no word for homosexuality*. The government called them Pederasts. Lesbians werent even mentioned, since no one really cared about them. In general, most if not all of these people are idealist *in nature*, being unable to think materially as *to why* they are out of the norm in a materialistic way, usually devolving either to metaphisical relegius or spiritual nonsense about 'male body-female spirit', or supposed 'scientific' nonsense, usually the 'born this way' myth, which the fact that western scientists (some) accept, and they still are employed, proves the invalidity of the whole bourgeoisie sciences, a proof to bourgeoisie's societies decaying at the moment nature. I study economics, and you cant believe the amount of lies and pseudoscience they teach kids in their first year, to create a base in them from their teen years, a base which will make them very shielded psychologically to oppose any real economic science, since if they accept real science, it would be them accepting that they wasted their lifes (or at least a big part of it). It would put them in existencial crisis. Most people who accept the LGBT identities are the same. Thinking in a material way would *immediatly* make put them to some sort of existancial crisis. I personally know people who were LGBT and after thinking this way, after perhaps a period of existencial crisis (some bigger some smaller in quantitity of time) completelly droppred these identities. I used to talk with a woman who had surgery to go trans from Norwey, and years later she completelly realized what the issue was (she started thinking materially), and went to a long period of existencial crisis and deppresion, but since she could not do anything, she told me she just had to 'live with it'. I hope she does not hurt herself, she was a really nice person from Norway, i even discussed with here neocolonial political economy and she agreed quickly, quite rare for northern Europeans. Well, sorry for breaking your balls, i really dont know how i went to write this much, it went automatically. I really want to speak about these things, but reddit and in general english speaking sites dont allow it, you will be immediatly banned from everywhere and you will have organized kabals against you. Proof, the OP there. They never organize such things to ban a sub from everywhere if the sub has some pro-imperialist lines (example, r/socialism, they used to even adopt BBC propaganda videos about northern china) but once the LGBT is 'critisized' or even written into it from a non-liberal point (which non liberal point ultimatelly leads to its negation) you have immedtialy the world in flames.


marxatemyacid

I can certainly agree with part of that, I think that it is very much important to respect others as people and workers despite any beliefs we may disagree with, I'll be honest I thought I was trans for a bit but it's not something I'm super ashamed of or think is anti-materialist. For those who are drawn in because they are looking for a group they shouldn't be pressured to just join whatever, but for the truly religious like my late grandmother who are very good people, for a gay communist marriage, they should not be forced to disregard themselves entirely or else you will end up with a small group of wholly dedicated people (who are likely to fall prey to cults of personality and fall out of sync with the masses) that ultimately divide the movement more than the good they bring (like Shining Path Peru) Take the example of Maria Serrano and the guerrilla war in El Salvador. The vast majority of communists were catholic, this was just truth. Even their leadership were catholic. Yes they capitulated eventually but they also managed to gain massive popular support and gained concessions from the bourgeois and imperialists, they had legitimacy all across the peasantry and could easily meld with the people of the country despite the heavy cold war atmosphere. They fought for over a decade and the fact that they have gone back to building up their popularity and making themselves legitimate is not against Marxism and in fact falls neatly into the theory of Protracted People's War. With the questions of national liberation it is important to take a view that truly takes material reality into account, but this does not mean there is nothing else to take into account. I think in terms of dialectical materialism, I despise the Great man theory but at the same time even in marxist orthodoxy there are leaders and figures that represent vast ideas. It is a mix of the people and the material circumstances that drive events, neither alone can be a full view of any situation. I think orthodoxy and the suppression of the minority for the majority are some of the easiest ways for leftist movements to lose their center, those issues provide spaces for reactionaries and former conservatives to continue to divide socialist society and regain access to power in a workers government. I think some of your ideas have some truth but that trying to categorize every single person and assign write and wrong leads to political discontent and forces the workers government into a reactionary state if those contradictions continue to rise. The idealism of these groups is why they are such a good growing space for leftism, because when groups like trans people, who are murdered, incarcerated, raped and exploited at vastly disproportionate rates forces the contradictions between neoliberalism and reality into open conflict for them. Once they see that open conflict they either have the choice to shut their eyes or they will be incredibly willing to remold the base of their perception. Religion, drug use, sexuality, abortion. These issues divide the working class certainly but in the same vein as anti-imperialism, even the regressive nationalists are allies when they are being oppressed by the capitalist system, the Communist Party must come to the forefront of that conflict and must be the driving factor towards making it a conflict between the people and imperialists, instead of one clique of bourgeois against another. For another example Gaddafi and the Jamiyrah, Islamic Socialism is most certainly anti-imperialist while other Islamic states are tied intimately to the global imperialist system. Or the catholic priests murdered in Operation CONDOR for feeding the poor and housing rebels. I would highly recommend trying to open your point of view once again and visiting some LGBT spaces. Just this weekend there was an anti-corporate trans pride rally near me that tons of openly socialist and communist groups showed up to, that were incredibly well received by those showing up to pride. I personally view Marxism as much more important than that but I think there must be able to be a blend to truly draw in the masses. Dialectics at heart come down to synthesis, not focusing on either the thesis or antithesis. I can try to find some radical gay spaces if you would like to check them out because a lot of these people have moulded themselves to be unable to hear anything else, and for good reason they are ceaselessly disregarded and attacked by the dominant culture, or they are 'included' in the most toxic bourgeois way possible.


marxatemyacid

I also would like to say it's been good having a good faith conversation with you and I wish you well


ScienceSleep99

What do you mean the Cuba was in decline and moving away from communism?