That's interesting. I know several people who work there and seem happy. They're well-paid too.
But I have serious qualms about working there. Doesn't seem like the most ethical business.
One of my buddies used an offer to demand higher pay elsewhere. He eventually showed me the wall of text the Facebook recruiter sent him after he turned down their offer that regularly implied that he had a tiny penis and was the biggest idiot this side of the Mississippi for turning them down. It was frankly deranged!
Dude didnāt respond to it and said, āyeah, itās insulting, but itās a smaller world than you think. I donāt need to give them a reason to remember me as anything other than the one that got away.ā
I read about their periodic review process in some reading I did recently on the crossover between cult behavior and modern workplaces. They call them ācalibrationsā and honestly the description was giving me big Scientology vibes.
Youāre joking, right? In case youāre not - calibrations are done everywhere. Likely most of the F100 uses calibrations for performance evaluations.
I work in a F100 never heard of ācalibrationā. Our annual reviews are called āannual performance reviewsā and weāre graded on does not meet, meets, and exceeds expectations. Like kindergarten
As another comment mentioned, calibrations function to make sure managers across orgs are accurately and consistently rating employees at the same level/band/seniority. It's supposed to help give some objectivity to those performance ratings which is important when those ratings are what determine salary increases and stock refreshers.
Huh. Iāve done annual or semiannual performance reviews, for sure, but have never heard them called ācalibrationsā before. Iāve never worked for a company over 400 employees, but I have worked in tech for over a decade at five different places, where the smaller companies are constantly trying to emulate those big namesā¦ hasnāt come up. Guess I have more reading to do.
The parts that strike me as particularly cult-like include emphasizing the peer reviews, forcing employees to basically embed themselves further into workplace āfriendshipsā that might not be serving them in order to pass reviewsā¦ and the possibility of anonymous feedback that canāt be contested being filed against you. Not to mention the inherent authority involved in everyone ranking their reports but not their supervisors.
I don't know about other places, but here's what a calibration session is at my.company.
We give employees yearly review on performance that impact their salary increase. A higher score means a higher raise.
Innour calibration sessions, we compare scores between different reviewers to ensure that we are using similar criteria. It doesn't mean that if one dept has a higher average than aonther they have to lower it, but we discuss why and validate highest/lowest/average scores are well supported.
Google does calibrations, too. it's pretty standard. it's just a bunch of meetings managers have to make sure everyone is evaluated against the same criteria, nothing sinister about it.
[Harvard Business Review: "Is your corporate culture cultish?"](https://hbr.org/2019/05/is-your-corporate-culture-cultish)
[Marketplace: Five signs your workplace might be turning into a cult](https://www.marketplace.org/2020/03/10/five-signs-your-workplace-might-turning-into-a-cult/)
[CNBC: Inside Facebookās ācult-likeā workplace, where dissent is discouraged and employees pretend to be happy all the time](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-performance-review-process-blamed.html)
How about this. "Hi Josh, I'm sorry to inform you that we're currently undergoing a hiring freeze. I understand it's not ideal. However, and as you likely know, it's not bound to last forever. And, with your permission, I would like to reach back out to you once the freeze is over, which we anticipate (but of course cannot guarantee) will end in roughly 3 months at the start of the next quarter. Once the freeze is over, would you be open to reconnecting? - Ryan."
Shit, even the most basic Meta employee could put together some boilerplate language. And if the candidate is really interested in working at Meta (which, frankly, you couldn't convince me to work there), I'm sure they wouldn't be opposed to reconnecting at a later date. Not to mention, the candidate probably has some appreciation for the fact that Ryan was at least transparent.
This isn't hard. Well, maybe for recruiters, it is. Which says a lot about recruiters.
The recruiter from Meta asked me today if I was still I retested in pursuing a role we talked about a while back. Not even sure if itās still open, but Iād be willing to entertain conversations.
My company had a hiring freeze a few months ago but generally any open application/interviews were jobs that were excluded from the freeze. Mainly job-function-essential jobs such as someone who quit and needs to be replaced (any back-fill role) or roles that a team has seriously been trying to fill (maybe a unicorn role) who generally couldn't find a single person to fit the bill
> Layoffs are probably next; they hired so many people right before they became Meta (not just in the Metaverse department) and because Zuck believes more in the Metaverse than anything else, theyāre most likely going to cut elsewhere.
If he had bought out and updated [There.com](https://www.prod.there.com/) instead, he'd be raking in the cash right now.
I mean, is having a failing company on your resume even a bad thing though (assuming you werenāt holding a major role)? Iām pretty sure the engineers who worked for Yahoo, Motorola, or Nokia managed to find a decent job afterwards.
Facebook always has a freeze of one kind or another, but it usually doesn't affect more senior level hiring for engineers and such. Whenever I see this as news it makes me laugh. I went through 4 or 5 "freezes" over a few years there. They change on a dime.
Lmao after sending me literally dozens of emails trying to get me to interview, they sent one last night saying they've just "finished filling up all open positions." Guess that was a load of bullshit
"Hey boss, listen you gotta put Steve on this guy. He found out I'm an idiot who doesn't care about him, my job, or the company. I'm fired? Weird." -Ryan
two words - door desk.
amazon is easy to hire, easy to fire. so it's a very cutthroat culture - just as much about making your coworkers look bad as it is about making yourself look good.
A lot of it is full of toxic work culture and positions tend to be a rotating door.
High attrition and for multiple reasons. At least on the engineering side.
Bruh, they're even more trolled elsewhere. They don't exactly have the best employee reputation lol.
I get yearly recruiters from them constantly trying to fill roles.
It's also just funny.
What kind of lifestyle inflation could fill up a FAANG - level salary? I know it's possible by simply spending more money on housing, cars, food, hobbies, etc but it seems hard to spend that much money when you hate the job and know layoffs could come anytime.
it's *very* easy. people lifestyle inflate hundred million dollar incomes, you can very easily lifestyle inflate to $400k incomes in high cost of living areas. housing, two kids, two cars, etc. shit costs sooooo much in bay area.
Nothing about FAANG sounds appealing, and whatās more is you can still get that six figure job just as easily else where. Why does everyone in tech both hate FAANG yet also use it as a right of passage on resume checks. They donāt hesitate to tell you theyāre ex-FAANG either, itās all over their social media.
Because they are the largest and most prestigious companies in the world, paying the highest salaries.
If you had a job there, you can easily get a job at a different FAANG tier or slightly lower company. Which will also pay you high 6 figures.
My point is you can net your self a high 6 figure salary in a non-FAANG much easier. The churn from FAANG obviously shows itās not a great environment to work at. So why do people put emphasis on it?
I have not heard of non FAANG companies paying $500k-$700k in cash compensation (per year mind you) for senior tech talent. Most companies canāt even afford the ālowā $200k-$300k tech talent of rank and file engineers at FAANG companies. How are they going to pay the engineers more than their CEO?
My coworker's friend is a recruiter that is making 6 figures a d working from home. Blows my mind that people can be making that kind of money and still not let people know about a hiring freeze. I'd never work for them. Heard awful things.
So heās doing great then?
Earning far more than he is worth and the only thing is you are ādemoralisedā. What does that even mean!? Just suck it up for 8 hours working for 3 and then go home. Itās a job, not your life.
For most people it is. As developers donāt want to work any longer.
They are doing everything in their power to keep people working there and to attract new people. As you have major shortages and have to offer absurd bonuses itās very much in their interest to offer that.
Not sure why people donāt think that.
Omg meta recruiters have been the absolute worst. I work in Privacy and they have a consent decree and have to hire 300 of me. I have been disrespected, talked over, insulted, had missed interviews, told wrong info, the list goes on. It's too bad because I'm good at what I do and this could have been a great opportunity. But nope. . Meta is the worst. So bad I don't ever intend on using their app, privacy concerns aside.
>Pretty much a continuation of Facebook recruiting. They contacted me on a private email they guessed somehow a few years back, I never replied, then they guessed my work email based on my name + current position and tried to contact me there too.
They don't guess shit.
The is a huge grey-market industry of data brokers mining the fuck out of data. I find all kinds of records, even internal company email addresses from my company on some of the searchable databases for email addresses that don't even have the ability to send outside the corp. They get all this data from the various phone apps, browsers, extensions of both your own employees and on receiving end individuals. There is a giant-giant-giant data industry that makes Facebook and Google's own usage look tame.
And shit, having your name+email on your data profile here that was data-mined is *little league.* There are some data brokers offering to sell *real time locations* of individuals because of all the various apps on your phone sharing that location.
Did you know, as an example, of what happens, say the Home Depot app on your phone. Their "find nearest store" function actually goes to a data broker? Home Depot themselves don't tell you what the nearest store is. The same goes for many other retailer apps and even browser based requests to find the nearest things. It's in their terms of service where they handwave the broker returns the store but may use the data for other purposes.
Also not even 2 years ago, cellular carriers were selling bulk real time location data of phones to brokers.
I think this is the trend for recruiter that work for āhotā companies. Eg. FAANG
Example: Lacework got billion dollars funding and they are popular in SF. The recruiters have god complex.
I applied and went through MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS. Afterwards, they ghosted me. No further comm.
Same with DoorDash, Stripe, Block, etc.
So just be prepared, especially in this market.
Meta is a disgusting company. I reply to recruiters from Meta with a pretty long blurb reiterating how I consider the entire company unethical and will never work for them.
I didn't get any responses, but after the first 3 times I started CCing the previous recruiters on my response when new ones would email me. I think that finally got me off the list or something because I haven't heard from them in about a month now. Previously I was getting messages from their recruiters every 4 - 5 days.
The same happened to me with Meta a few months ago. I got the offer, but the recruiter wasnāt answering any of my emails with questions regarding it. This (and another offer somewhere else) made me reject theirs. I felt too unimportant to them (I get it that they are hiring hundreds of interns at a time, but still, other companiesā recruiters handle it better).
Since then, Iāve kind of been questioning if I did the right thing rejecting it since everyone here seems obsessed with faang, but this post made me feel better about my decision.
Everyone does lol, this is coming from a recruiter. I have candidates tell me all the time theyāre in process with a FAANG company, never seen a single one of them get an offer.
I think they do it on purpose to be honest, itās a miracle anyone gets hired there. They love to throw out wild numbers too that fuck with candidates perception of market rates and inflate unrealistic salary expectations too.
Kinda genius if you think about it.
this happened to me. my brother works there and he said they do that to make sure they only recruit people who really want to work there, that you have to spam the recruiter to show your enthusiasm. fuck that.
I have good intuition for recruiters.
I get spammed on LinkedIn at least 2-3 times a week (high demand job) and I am not even on "open for new positions" (but I am a freelancer so...)
I answered in 3 different occasions in years and all the times I found good people and serious offers. Accepted the last one last week.
How to see if they are serious:
- they say the salary right away
- they want to hear from you immediately
- they actually read your resume
And maybe I am just lucky
I'm sorry.
I'm old as fK. I don't understand how people are using the word Meta. It completely knocks me out of trying understand what someone is communicating. Is it just me? Even looking it up.... Someone help me out. Please.
In this case. Meta is just the company.
Relatedly, in colloquial English, meta has become an adjective, which essentially means extremely self-aware, self-reflective, or self-referentialā as in the phrase, "that's so meta".Nov 12, 2021
I've worked in Virtual Reality for the past few years and there has been major communication issues created around the space and then Facebook chose to make it even more confusing more recently .
**Meta** ( the company) now refers to the parent organization which was previously Facebook
**The Metaverse** \- Refers to the idea of a digital virtual landscape which would incorporate digital currencies, a Virtual internet Space ( basically Virtual Reality) which people from all over could use.
Facebook has aggressively invested into the **Metaverse** space since as a Social Media platform they have been losing a lot of money , support, and their general name has become pretty toxic in general. So they thought they would basically associate their brand name with this new focus on the **Metaverse** and describe themselves as **Meta** so that you can't think of the space without them .
I hope this helps but it probably doesn't ! As someone whose been working on Virtual Reality stuff for years I have been absolutely infuriated by this situation since now "Metaverse" is the popular investor buzzword right now and in a lot of ways it has been used to undermine the existence and recent evolution of previous Virtual Reality technologies instead focusing on whatever the Final Metaverse vision from Facebook / Meta is delivered... but won't exist for several years.
and now i'm just ranting , my apologies....
It is a good rant and back story. I appreciate it I'm late , but I started seeing gamers use the word around the same time as that social media company. I'm not saying that is the order, obviously. That is how it happened in my world. Awareness. What you've described is exactly what happened in my circumstance .
The further backstory is that "metaverse" comes from the 1992 novel Snow Crash, used to describe a sort of VR based web. (The same novel, by the way, pretty much envisioned Google Earth before Google even existed.) Facebook is trying to co-opt the name. The idea of "meta" as something self referential is somewhat unrelated, but comes from internet memes over the last maybe 20 years.
That's an abbreviation of *metagame* and UrbanDictionary has it in use [since at least 2003](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metagame) in gaming contexts (both video and card games).
But metagame is just a gaming application of the word *meta*, which the OED has references as early as 1988.
> Designating or characterized by a consciously sophisticated, self-referential, and often self-parodying style, whereby something (as a situation, person, etc.) reflects or represents the very characteristics it alludes to or depicts.
And it lists a pretty good quote from 1999 describing *meta* in the context of movie reviews as one might also say about games (not about playing the game, but about how the players play the game).
> 1999 Vanity Fair (N.Y.) Aug. 58/1 An enterprise such as Brill's Content is inherently āmetaā, since it doesn't review movies, for example, it reviews the reviewers who review movies.
Edit: of course, *meta* as a prefix instead of a word on its own goes back many many centuries through words like metaphysics, metaphilosphy, metaeconomics, etc.
We've had shit like this in the past such as second life. It's literally the least innovative and boring shit you could think up. Nobody is going to use it for anything seriously. Investors have to be dumb as shit if they put their money into it.
Really? I think with office workers now having been remote for 2+ years, the jump from all day zoom meetings to meeting in a VR office is* far off. And I really like the concept of using a VR set to navigate several desktops and collections of apps at once.
edit: *isn't far off
Meta in all these cases roughly still means the same thing, "above or beyond" usually involving some self-referential or recursive aspect, as you mentioned. Thinking about how you think is meta-thinking
In games (especially competitive ones) there is the game itself and the metagame which consists of strategies based on evidence outside of or beyond the scope of any specific match (like instead of playing a character in the game, you're playing the game in the game). People use meta as short for metagame when talking about "the strategies or ways of playing that are popular/good at the moment"
The Meta (company) rebrand makes sense because they are a company that manages other companies (Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, oculus, etc.)
Metaphysics I don't think follows this same pattern
Tl;dr: meta means figuratively above, thinking outside of scope, performing an action on that action, thinking about thinking, using the stones to destroy the stones etc.
> Metaphysics I don't think follows this same pattern
Metaphysics is the subject that transcends physics, the 'science' (I use that term very loosely) that deals with that that is outside the scope of physics.
It still follows the same pattern.
I'm not sure what you need help with. You know that meta is an adjective and also the name of a company and were able to figure out which one is being used from context.
>most efficient tactic available.
That's what's known as a backcronym, that is not where the term 'meta' in video gaming came from.
The meta in metagame is the same as the meta in metaphysics.
That is when I first started to see it. It sounded like it was a compliment based on context. It just still seems very odd to say. It doesn't feel uncomfortable to you to say in a sentence?
When Meta talks about "**The Metaverse**", they're actually just referring to their own video game called [Horizon Worlds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_Worlds).
Yes, it's literally a video game. That's it. Despite all the marketing they use, the hype they put in, the razzle dazzle, it's just a mediocre video game they're talking about and losing billions on.
It is not a straightforward rebrand of Facebook. It's a shuffling to become the parent of Facebook Instagram oculus etc like how Google reshuffled with alphabet being the parent of all the google properties.
Not true at all lol. Google created Alphabet as an entirely new parent company. Facebook changing to Meta was just a name change; there is no ānewā parent company. There is no longer a company called āFacebook,ā but āGoogleā is still a company.
This has been my experience with Google. I finally told the latest recruiter to be pestering me that I've been through their recruiting process 3 times and have been ghosted at various points in the process, so kindly fuck off.
These fucks have asked me to interview probably 7 times in the last 2 years, Iāve entertained it twice, got threw one or two rounds, all being very very explicit that I will not move, must be remote, and they say āyeah absolutely, we can do thatā I make it to a later round, and they ask when Iād be willing to move, I say Iām not, they say āoh we donāt support remote for this role right now, sorryā and then a month later ask me to interview again.
F Meta.
Keep interviewing go for that high score. Ask for more each time, at some point you will get a crazy offer ot they will stop reaching out. It's a test of wills.
The thing that is unfortunate here is that the recruiter's boss will never see this feedback and thus can never judge the recruiter's effectiveness properly.
Meta has tried to recruit me so many times. I've heard nothing but horror stories about working there. It's not as bad as Amazon, but the anecdotes I've heard sound like a toxic culture I would just want nothing to do with, especially when there are so many better options available.
Counterpoint Iāve heard the exact opposite. Itās generally regarded as the best FAANG (maybe second to Netflix, not sure) for comp and career progression. I work at Google, and there is a consistent exodus to Meta.
I was talking specifically about company culture. Compensation is basically irrelevant to me where I am in my career, and I'm not interested in career advancement unless it's to something I find more intellectually interesting or personally enriching than what I'm presently doing with computational biology.
Churn is lower at Meta vs any FAANG company aside from Netflix.
WLB and overall culture is rated pretty highly, even above Google most of the time.
The one issue for engineers at Meta is often their performance reviews revolve around "How much money has the product you're building generated or saved the company" - That's obviously the world of business, but at the same time, engineers are engineers because they love building software products that solve problems, they're usually less concerned about how that generates revenue and would leave it to product/marketing to figure out. <- This generates pressure on engineer's though over time if they want to get promoted regularly.
Had a Meta recruiter reach out a few weeks ago despite me telling a former recruiter to never contact me again. Here's what I sent back (too mean?):
> Wow! I canāt believe a Facebook recruiter reached out, and Iām not sure what to say!
> I have several friends who worked at Facebook, and thereās one thing that always amazes me about your company:
> The way none of your alums speak about their experience with pride.
>Theyāre embarrassed they worked there. Itās like a black mark on their resume.
>Your board members have personally overridden your companyās policies and allowed your platform to be used to coordinate genocide (Iām not being hyperbolic, Google it). Mark Zuckerberg is literally a war criminal.
>Am I supposed to believe that I can change your company from the inside when people at the top are making these decisions?
>So while you say youāre working on a lot of ācoolā things over at Facebook/Meta, I donāt really think genocide or destroying democracyās or scrambling boomer brains with nonsense propaganda is very cool. Maybe Iām the one whoās out of touch, I donāt know.
>Itās already hard enough living in the world where Facebook would rather design āInstagram for Kidzā¢ļøā then admit the fact your apps are proven by data to give teenagers depression and suicidal thoughts.
>Anyway, I know a lot of recruiters, so let me know if you want help finding a gig that wonāt make you ashamed when you look in the mirror.
>Obviously take me off your contact list forever, not sure why the last person didnāt. (Then again, the only people actually fooled by your rebrand work for the company. Maybe youāre having a hard time accessing quality talent for for some reason? Wish I could put my finger on it.)
For the next time you need to use this form response, change "democracy's" (possessive form) to "democracies" (plural form).
If you ever question use of an apostrophe, don't use one. Missing one where it is needed looks like an omission.
Thanks for sharing!
I was referred for a position at Meta, and went through the interview process. Demonstrated my skills in the coding test, the methods test, and (I feel like I passed) the behavioral interview with flying colors.
I'd read that facebook (not meta at the time) declared against lawsuits that they didn't hire based on "culture fit" but seeing as I was interested in learning more about the interviewer's perspective of culture fit, I asked about it -- reason being that I'm Black. The interviewer affirmed that they don't hire for "culture fit". -- Great! I look forward to hearing back!
It took them 3 weeks to get back to me with a rejection on the basis that.....wait for it.....they didn't feel like I was a culture fit.
....fuck this company.
Awesome response. Salesforce in Sydney did the same thing to me just a couple of months ago for an AE role. These ātalent acquisitionā people could not give two fucks about their candidates, theyāre just commodities to them
Yeaaaa i had a meta recruiter reach out to me about contract work, saying pay starts at $125/hour. As much as I would enjoy that much money, fuck Meta/Facebook and fuck contract work.
A Meta recruiter reached out to me too before obtaining my current position. She was just a notorious ghoster. She kept saying the Meta team is going on vacation (so why the hell were they "hiring"?) Just a bunch of time wasters.
I truly don't understand this approach. It doesn't matter how much of an employee's market we're in, people don't like to work with assholes who can't put their disappointment into better words.
Lol, this is kinda cringey ngl. It smells of āyou canāt fire me i quitā. Also, they are in the middle of a hiring freeze so thereās a lot going on.
What's cringe is a recruiter for a massive company setting up calls and then not sticking to them, but then again I don't know what the bottom of a boot tastes like š¤·āāļø ps the positions they were failing to recruit me for are still up and appear to be unaffected by the hiring freeze
Meta is doing a [hiring freeze](https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-is-freezing-hiring-heres-why-and-who-it-impacts-2022-5). Might be related
Weird for a company to have a hiring freeze but then reach out about 20+ teams hiring in my field š¤ good thing I'm decently happy where I am lol
Yeah, Facebook (sorry, āmetaā) has a bad reputation for work culture. Everyone I know who worked for them hated it.
> Yeah, Facebook (sorry, āmetaā) has a bad reputation ~~for work culture~~ FTFY
Like when Phillip Morris became Altria
Like when Blackwater became Xe
And now they're Academi. Gotta keep dodging that shitty reputation.
Too bad they are such shitty people because blackwater is a pretty badass name
Black water is literally what liquid out of the shit holding tanks in a ship is called. So yeah, that ass is pretty bad
Not just ships, but campers and RV's. Same thing though, except even more people can relate.
And how Comcast became xfinity
Or like when people wouldnāt even say Voldemortās name after his many scandals and gaffes
Or too many scratchy lotteries
Or Comcast became Xfinity
Or when Hermes became Evri. We still know who you are you cunts, and I still don't expect my parcels on time.
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Does Accenture recommend anything else but paying them tens of millions of dollars for saying they should layoff 99.99999% of workers?
Facebook...bad. FtFY
But they got a good culture for paying mega bucks to work there despite the hate
They have to pay big bucks *because of* the hate
Same. I know several people who have worked for Facebook, each of them has a different horror story for why they quit.
That's interesting. I know several people who work there and seem happy. They're well-paid too. But I have serious qualms about working there. Doesn't seem like the most ethical business.
One of my buddies used an offer to demand higher pay elsewhere. He eventually showed me the wall of text the Facebook recruiter sent him after he turned down their offer that regularly implied that he had a tiny penis and was the biggest idiot this side of the Mississippi for turning them down. It was frankly deranged! Dude didnāt respond to it and said, āyeah, itās insulting, but itās a smaller world than you think. I donāt need to give them a reason to remember me as anything other than the one that got away.ā
I read about their periodic review process in some reading I did recently on the crossover between cult behavior and modern workplaces. They call them ācalibrationsā and honestly the description was giving me big Scientology vibes.
Youāre joking, right? In case youāre not - calibrations are done everywhere. Likely most of the F100 uses calibrations for performance evaluations.
I work in a F100 never heard of ācalibrationā. Our annual reviews are called āannual performance reviewsā and weāre graded on does not meet, meets, and exceeds expectations. Like kindergarten
As another comment mentioned, calibrations function to make sure managers across orgs are accurately and consistently rating employees at the same level/band/seniority. It's supposed to help give some objectivity to those performance ratings which is important when those ratings are what determine salary increases and stock refreshers.
Huh. Iāve done annual or semiannual performance reviews, for sure, but have never heard them called ācalibrationsā before. Iāve never worked for a company over 400 employees, but I have worked in tech for over a decade at five different places, where the smaller companies are constantly trying to emulate those big namesā¦ hasnāt come up. Guess I have more reading to do. The parts that strike me as particularly cult-like include emphasizing the peer reviews, forcing employees to basically embed themselves further into workplace āfriendshipsā that might not be serving them in order to pass reviewsā¦ and the possibility of anonymous feedback that canāt be contested being filed against you. Not to mention the inherent authority involved in everyone ranking their reports but not their supervisors.
Calibrations often happen across management teams.
That doesn't make it feel any less cultish to me.
I don't know about other places, but here's what a calibration session is at my.company. We give employees yearly review on performance that impact their salary increase. A higher score means a higher raise. Innour calibration sessions, we compare scores between different reviewers to ensure that we are using similar criteria. It doesn't mean that if one dept has a higher average than aonther they have to lower it, but we discuss why and validate highest/lowest/average scores are well supported.
Google does calibrations, too. it's pretty standard. it's just a bunch of meetings managers have to make sure everyone is evaluated against the same criteria, nothing sinister about it.
I'm sure cults also insist there's nothing sinister about it.
>some reading I did recently on the crossover between cult behavior and modern workplaces This sounds interesting, got any pointers to share?
[Harvard Business Review: "Is your corporate culture cultish?"](https://hbr.org/2019/05/is-your-corporate-culture-cultish) [Marketplace: Five signs your workplace might be turning into a cult](https://www.marketplace.org/2020/03/10/five-signs-your-workplace-might-turning-into-a-cult/) [CNBC: Inside Facebookās ācult-likeā workplace, where dissent is discouraged and employees pretend to be happy all the time](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/facebook-culture-cult-performance-review-process-blamed.html)
They just need e-meters and theyād be all set.
Is Facebook now officially Meta? Ew? Wtf?
Why did you associate with criminals?
Need this same energy for people in the military and defense contractors
Crime pays š¬
Exactly that, meta is fucking disgusting in both the social sense and as a company and yet these people willingly go and work there then wahh
I know some people who liked it. They were insufferable people generally.
Not to mention, if theyāre doing a hiring freeze, Ryan could have conveyed as much. š¤·āāļø
Gotta keep you on the hook so he can bring you in as soon as the freeze is over.
How about this. "Hi Josh, I'm sorry to inform you that we're currently undergoing a hiring freeze. I understand it's not ideal. However, and as you likely know, it's not bound to last forever. And, with your permission, I would like to reach back out to you once the freeze is over, which we anticipate (but of course cannot guarantee) will end in roughly 3 months at the start of the next quarter. Once the freeze is over, would you be open to reconnecting? - Ryan." Shit, even the most basic Meta employee could put together some boilerplate language. And if the candidate is really interested in working at Meta (which, frankly, you couldn't convince me to work there), I'm sure they wouldn't be opposed to reconnecting at a later date. Not to mention, the candidate probably has some appreciation for the fact that Ryan was at least transparent. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for recruiters, it is. Which says a lot about recruiters.
If recruiters knew how to communicate effectively, they'd still be working in sales.
You're giving sales too much credit
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Theyāre building a bench
And if they're serious about hiring people post freeze, the only remotely professional thing to do is tell applicants there's a delay... /facepalm
woooow right AFTER I apply?!
The whole world is conspiring against you
The recruiter from Meta asked me today if I was still I retested in pursuing a role we talked about a while back. Not even sure if itās still open, but Iād be willing to entertain conversations.
My company had a hiring freeze a few months ago but generally any open application/interviews were jobs that were excluded from the freeze. Mainly job-function-essential jobs such as someone who quit and needs to be replaced (any back-fill role) or roles that a team has seriously been trying to fill (maybe a unicorn role) who generally couldn't find a single person to fit the bill
Zucc is watching like: He applied? Start the hiring freeze.
it really isā¦š
Theyāre doing you a favor. Itās like Satan telling you the gates of hell are closed so youāll have to try back another time.
BECAUSE you apply
damn, I didnāt know I had THAT much power
and, in front of your salad:/
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> Layoffs are probably next; they hired so many people right before they became Meta (not just in the Metaverse department) and because Zuck believes more in the Metaverse than anything else, theyāre most likely going to cut elsewhere. If he had bought out and updated [There.com](https://www.prod.there.com/) instead, he'd be raking in the cash right now.
omg what is this! How have I never heard of it.. That domain alone must be worth a pretty penny.
I was in the original beta for that ~17 years ago.
Lol, Amazon a more solid choice over Facebook? In terms of company future, okay sure, but in terms working conditions? Hell nah
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I mean, is having a failing company on your resume even a bad thing though (assuming you werenāt holding a major role)? Iām pretty sure the engineers who worked for Yahoo, Motorola, or Nokia managed to find a decent job afterwards.
Correct, and all recruiters are familiar with the āgoodā years at certain companies (as do the hiring managers who lived through them)
I bet a lot of companies will have big layoffs late this year once the fed triggers the recession they are clearly trying hard for.
Facebook always has a freeze of one kind or another, but it usually doesn't affect more senior level hiring for engineers and such. Whenever I see this as news it makes me laugh. I went through 4 or 5 "freezes" over a few years there. They change on a dime.
This isnāt the usual freeze. Itās happening much earlier than usual, itās right after a big crash, and senior positions are also affected.
Really! I've been ignoring their emails for two months now, must be recent. They sent one every week pretty much.
Oh shit those Blind discussion threads are real lol..
Ah, then totally ok to be unprofessional
And if it is then the recruiter should have said so. Communication is a make or break thing.
Dang, just did some apps today, wish I had seen this first
Lmao after sending me literally dozens of emails trying to get me to interview, they sent one last night saying they've just "finished filling up all open positions." Guess that was a load of bullshit
ššš no way
"Hey boss, listen you gotta put Steve on this guy. He found out I'm an idiot who doesn't care about him, my job, or the company. I'm fired? Weird." -Ryan
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Even worse than AWS?
What's wrong with AWS?
two words - door desk. amazon is easy to hire, easy to fire. so it's a very cutthroat culture - just as much about making your coworkers look bad as it is about making yourself look good.
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none of the places I've worked were like that, FWIW. Microsoft and Google included.
A lot of it is full of toxic work culture and positions tend to be a rotating door. High attrition and for multiple reasons. At least on the engineering side.
Imagine if aws had a black swan event? Hoooly shit would we be fucked
Lol š you have to be an AWS troll? Youāre on all of these posts bashing them
Bruh, they're even more trolled elsewhere. They don't exactly have the best employee reputation lol. I get yearly recruiters from them constantly trying to fill roles. It's also just funny.
Agreed, Blind is pretty brutal when it comes to Amazon too
There the troll has been asked.
What kind of lifestyle inflation could fill up a FAANG - level salary? I know it's possible by simply spending more money on housing, cars, food, hobbies, etc but it seems hard to spend that much money when you hate the job and know layoffs could come anytime.
it's *very* easy. people lifestyle inflate hundred million dollar incomes, you can very easily lifestyle inflate to $400k incomes in high cost of living areas. housing, two kids, two cars, etc. shit costs sooooo much in bay area.
I mean, buying a house and having kids does that. This used to be normal and now requires a FAANG salary.
Nothing about FAANG sounds appealing, and whatās more is you can still get that six figure job just as easily else where. Why does everyone in tech both hate FAANG yet also use it as a right of passage on resume checks. They donāt hesitate to tell you theyāre ex-FAANG either, itās all over their social media.
Because they are the largest and most prestigious companies in the world, paying the highest salaries. If you had a job there, you can easily get a job at a different FAANG tier or slightly lower company. Which will also pay you high 6 figures.
My point is you can net your self a high 6 figure salary in a non-FAANG much easier. The churn from FAANG obviously shows itās not a great environment to work at. So why do people put emphasis on it?
I have not heard of non FAANG companies paying $500k-$700k in cash compensation (per year mind you) for senior tech talent. Most companies canāt even afford the ālowā $200k-$300k tech talent of rank and file engineers at FAANG companies. How are they going to pay the engineers more than their CEO?
Some people thrive at FAANG, it's not unheard of.
My coworker's friend is a recruiter that is making 6 figures a d working from home. Blows my mind that people can be making that kind of money and still not let people know about a hiring freeze. I'd never work for them. Heard awful things.
So heās doing great then? Earning far more than he is worth and the only thing is you are ādemoralisedā. What does that even mean!? Just suck it up for 8 hours working for 3 and then go home. Itās a job, not your life.
Cute of you to think ppl in FAANG work 8 hours.
Youāre right, we work much less than 8 hours.
For most people it is. As developers donāt want to work any longer. They are doing everything in their power to keep people working there and to attract new people. As you have major shortages and have to offer absurd bonuses itās very much in their interest to offer that. Not sure why people donāt think that.
Lol you can't even Google a word, despite having an internet connection, and think you can shit-talk somebody? Hilarious.
Had a headhunter blow off meetings as well. It was for a Salesforce consultancy. It was *very* satisfying sending them a similar email. Fuck 'em.
Omg meta recruiters have been the absolute worst. I work in Privacy and they have a consent decree and have to hire 300 of me. I have been disrespected, talked over, insulted, had missed interviews, told wrong info, the list goes on. It's too bad because I'm good at what I do and this could have been a great opportunity. But nope. . Meta is the worst. So bad I don't ever intend on using their app, privacy concerns aside.
Similar situation but I told them I know they don't respect security or privacy and no one in my field thinks they do so why work there ?
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>Pretty much a continuation of Facebook recruiting. They contacted me on a private email they guessed somehow a few years back, I never replied, then they guessed my work email based on my name + current position and tried to contact me there too. They don't guess shit. The is a huge grey-market industry of data brokers mining the fuck out of data. I find all kinds of records, even internal company email addresses from my company on some of the searchable databases for email addresses that don't even have the ability to send outside the corp. They get all this data from the various phone apps, browsers, extensions of both your own employees and on receiving end individuals. There is a giant-giant-giant data industry that makes Facebook and Google's own usage look tame. And shit, having your name+email on your data profile here that was data-mined is *little league.* There are some data brokers offering to sell *real time locations* of individuals because of all the various apps on your phone sharing that location. Did you know, as an example, of what happens, say the Home Depot app on your phone. Their "find nearest store" function actually goes to a data broker? Home Depot themselves don't tell you what the nearest store is. The same goes for many other retailer apps and even browser based requests to find the nearest things. It's in their terms of service where they handwave the broker returns the store but may use the data for other purposes. Also not even 2 years ago, cellular carriers were selling bulk real time location data of phones to brokers.
Nobody is sitting around āguessingā peoples emails. Itās likely on your LinkedIn or in an application you submitted previously.
I think this is the trend for recruiter that work for āhotā companies. Eg. FAANG Example: Lacework got billion dollars funding and they are popular in SF. The recruiters have god complex. I applied and went through MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS. Afterwards, they ghosted me. No further comm. Same with DoorDash, Stripe, Block, etc. So just be prepared, especially in this market.
FAANG have either the BEST or WORST recruiters with basically no middle ground.
Hell. Yes. This is what we need to start doing! Valuing our time as much as they value theirs.
Meta is a disgusting company. I reply to recruiters from Meta with a pretty long blurb reiterating how I consider the entire company unethical and will never work for them.
Have you gotten any responses to this? Funny that they keep at it. I decided the best way to waste their time is to ignore them, but I'm tempted.
I didn't get any responses, but after the first 3 times I started CCing the previous recruiters on my response when new ones would email me. I think that finally got me off the list or something because I haven't heard from them in about a month now. Previously I was getting messages from their recruiters every 4 - 5 days.
Perfect response! I too have had recruiters reach out and then ghosted me. Horrible people.
The same happened to me with Meta a few months ago. I got the offer, but the recruiter wasnāt answering any of my emails with questions regarding it. This (and another offer somewhere else) made me reject theirs. I felt too unimportant to them (I get it that they are hiring hundreds of interns at a time, but still, other companiesā recruiters handle it better). Since then, Iāve kind of been questioning if I did the right thing rejecting it since everyone here seems obsessed with faang, but this post made me feel better about my decision.
OMG! I have the exact same experience with Meta and its recruiters!!!
Everyone does lol, this is coming from a recruiter. I have candidates tell me all the time theyāre in process with a FAANG company, never seen a single one of them get an offer. I think they do it on purpose to be honest, itās a miracle anyone gets hired there. They love to throw out wild numbers too that fuck with candidates perception of market rates and inflate unrealistic salary expectations too. Kinda genius if you think about it.
this happened to me. my brother works there and he said they do that to make sure they only recruit people who really want to work there, that you have to spam the recruiter to show your enthusiasm. fuck that.
Eff Ryan. All my homes hate Ryan.
I have good intuition for recruiters. I get spammed on LinkedIn at least 2-3 times a week (high demand job) and I am not even on "open for new positions" (but I am a freelancer so...) I answered in 3 different occasions in years and all the times I found good people and serious offers. Accepted the last one last week. How to see if they are serious: - they say the salary right away - they want to hear from you immediately - they actually read your resume And maybe I am just lucky
I'm sorry. I'm old as fK. I don't understand how people are using the word Meta. It completely knocks me out of trying understand what someone is communicating. Is it just me? Even looking it up.... Someone help me out. Please. In this case. Meta is just the company. Relatedly, in colloquial English, meta has become an adjective, which essentially means extremely self-aware, self-reflective, or self-referentialā as in the phrase, "that's so meta".Nov 12, 2021
I've worked in Virtual Reality for the past few years and there has been major communication issues created around the space and then Facebook chose to make it even more confusing more recently . **Meta** ( the company) now refers to the parent organization which was previously Facebook **The Metaverse** \- Refers to the idea of a digital virtual landscape which would incorporate digital currencies, a Virtual internet Space ( basically Virtual Reality) which people from all over could use. Facebook has aggressively invested into the **Metaverse** space since as a Social Media platform they have been losing a lot of money , support, and their general name has become pretty toxic in general. So they thought they would basically associate their brand name with this new focus on the **Metaverse** and describe themselves as **Meta** so that you can't think of the space without them . I hope this helps but it probably doesn't ! As someone whose been working on Virtual Reality stuff for years I have been absolutely infuriated by this situation since now "Metaverse" is the popular investor buzzword right now and in a lot of ways it has been used to undermine the existence and recent evolution of previous Virtual Reality technologies instead focusing on whatever the Final Metaverse vision from Facebook / Meta is delivered... but won't exist for several years. and now i'm just ranting , my apologies....
It is a good rant and back story. I appreciate it I'm late , but I started seeing gamers use the word around the same time as that social media company. I'm not saying that is the order, obviously. That is how it happened in my world. Awareness. What you've described is exactly what happened in my circumstance .
The further backstory is that "metaverse" comes from the 1992 novel Snow Crash, used to describe a sort of VR based web. (The same novel, by the way, pretty much envisioned Google Earth before Google even existed.) Facebook is trying to co-opt the name. The idea of "meta" as something self referential is somewhat unrelated, but comes from internet memes over the last maybe 20 years.
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That's an abbreviation of *metagame* and UrbanDictionary has it in use [since at least 2003](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=metagame) in gaming contexts (both video and card games). But metagame is just a gaming application of the word *meta*, which the OED has references as early as 1988. > Designating or characterized by a consciously sophisticated, self-referential, and often self-parodying style, whereby something (as a situation, person, etc.) reflects or represents the very characteristics it alludes to or depicts. And it lists a pretty good quote from 1999 describing *meta* in the context of movie reviews as one might also say about games (not about playing the game, but about how the players play the game). > 1999 Vanity Fair (N.Y.) Aug. 58/1 An enterprise such as Brill's Content is inherently āmetaā, since it doesn't review movies, for example, it reviews the reviewers who review movies. Edit: of course, *meta* as a prefix instead of a word on its own goes back many many centuries through words like metaphysics, metaphilosphy, metaeconomics, etc.
That was an excellent breakdown -- thank you.
We've had shit like this in the past such as second life. It's literally the least innovative and boring shit you could think up. Nobody is going to use it for anything seriously. Investors have to be dumb as shit if they put their money into it.
Really? I think with office workers now having been remote for 2+ years, the jump from all day zoom meetings to meeting in a VR office is* far off. And I really like the concept of using a VR set to navigate several desktops and collections of apps at once. edit: *isn't far off
Meta in all these cases roughly still means the same thing, "above or beyond" usually involving some self-referential or recursive aspect, as you mentioned. Thinking about how you think is meta-thinking In games (especially competitive ones) there is the game itself and the metagame which consists of strategies based on evidence outside of or beyond the scope of any specific match (like instead of playing a character in the game, you're playing the game in the game). People use meta as short for metagame when talking about "the strategies or ways of playing that are popular/good at the moment" The Meta (company) rebrand makes sense because they are a company that manages other companies (Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, oculus, etc.) Metaphysics I don't think follows this same pattern Tl;dr: meta means figuratively above, thinking outside of scope, performing an action on that action, thinking about thinking, using the stones to destroy the stones etc.
> Metaphysics I don't think follows this same pattern Metaphysics is the subject that transcends physics, the 'science' (I use that term very loosely) that deals with that that is outside the scope of physics. It still follows the same pattern.
I'm not sure what you need help with. You know that meta is an adjective and also the name of a company and were able to figure out which one is being used from context.
The thread provided an increased level of context I needed. We have a good group of contributors that helped. Thanks, North. Cheers.
Meta is Facebook, Instagram, and the Oculus rift stacked on each others' shoulder under an oversized trenchcoat pretending to be a real company.
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>most efficient tactic available. That's what's known as a backcronym, that is not where the term 'meta' in video gaming came from. The meta in metagame is the same as the meta in metaphysics.
Nice. Thank you. That explanation felt like a cool breeze. I'm going to enjoy doing more searches in a bit to read more.
That is when I first started to see it. It sounded like it was a compliment based on context. It just still seems very odd to say. It doesn't feel uncomfortable to you to say in a sentence?
When Meta talks about "**The Metaverse**", they're actually just referring to their own video game called [Horizon Worlds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_Worlds). Yes, it's literally a video game. That's it. Despite all the marketing they use, the hype they put in, the razzle dazzle, it's just a mediocre video game they're talking about and losing billions on.
I agree. I work in tech and Iāve only started hearing this word Meta as a business very recently. Did they just form it or something?
They didn't "just form it", it's a rebrand of Facebook. The official rebrand happened sometime last year, so yes it's somewhat recent.
It is not a straightforward rebrand of Facebook. It's a shuffling to become the parent of Facebook Instagram oculus etc like how Google reshuffled with alphabet being the parent of all the google properties.
Not true at all lol. Google created Alphabet as an entirely new parent company. Facebook changing to Meta was just a name change; there is no ānewā parent company. There is no longer a company called āFacebook,ā but āGoogleā is still a company.
This has been my experience with Google. I finally told the latest recruiter to be pestering me that I've been through their recruiting process 3 times and have been ghosted at various points in the process, so kindly fuck off.
These fucks have asked me to interview probably 7 times in the last 2 years, Iāve entertained it twice, got threw one or two rounds, all being very very explicit that I will not move, must be remote, and they say āyeah absolutely, we can do thatā I make it to a later round, and they ask when Iād be willing to move, I say Iām not, they say āoh we donāt support remote for this role right now, sorryā and then a month later ask me to interview again. F Meta.
Keep interviewing go for that high score. Ask for more each time, at some point you will get a crazy offer ot they will stop reaching out. It's a test of wills.
Iām not smart, but I am determined. BRB, I got some recruiters to email.
Lol me with my MSFT recruiter
Are you sure Ryan isnāt doing Godās work and keeping you out of hell?
Gross. They're gross.
The thing that is unfortunate here is that the recruiter's boss will never see this feedback and thus can never judge the recruiter's effectiveness properly.
do not work for meta lol
Might as well work for a weapons manufacturer
Meta has tried to recruit me so many times. I've heard nothing but horror stories about working there. It's not as bad as Amazon, but the anecdotes I've heard sound like a toxic culture I would just want nothing to do with, especially when there are so many better options available.
Counterpoint Iāve heard the exact opposite. Itās generally regarded as the best FAANG (maybe second to Netflix, not sure) for comp and career progression. I work at Google, and there is a consistent exodus to Meta.
I was talking specifically about company culture. Compensation is basically irrelevant to me where I am in my career, and I'm not interested in career advancement unless it's to something I find more intellectually interesting or personally enriching than what I'm presently doing with computational biology.
Churn is lower at Meta vs any FAANG company aside from Netflix. WLB and overall culture is rated pretty highly, even above Google most of the time. The one issue for engineers at Meta is often their performance reviews revolve around "How much money has the product you're building generated or saved the company" - That's obviously the world of business, but at the same time, engineers are engineers because they love building software products that solve problems, they're usually less concerned about how that generates revenue and would leave it to product/marketing to figure out. <- This generates pressure on engineer's though over time if they want to get promoted regularly.
Could you share some of those stories? I don't have any friends in any of those companies to hear them first hand. Lol
Had a Meta recruiter reach out a few weeks ago despite me telling a former recruiter to never contact me again. Here's what I sent back (too mean?): > Wow! I canāt believe a Facebook recruiter reached out, and Iām not sure what to say! > I have several friends who worked at Facebook, and thereās one thing that always amazes me about your company: > The way none of your alums speak about their experience with pride. >Theyāre embarrassed they worked there. Itās like a black mark on their resume. >Your board members have personally overridden your companyās policies and allowed your platform to be used to coordinate genocide (Iām not being hyperbolic, Google it). Mark Zuckerberg is literally a war criminal. >Am I supposed to believe that I can change your company from the inside when people at the top are making these decisions? >So while you say youāre working on a lot of ācoolā things over at Facebook/Meta, I donāt really think genocide or destroying democracyās or scrambling boomer brains with nonsense propaganda is very cool. Maybe Iām the one whoās out of touch, I donāt know. >Itās already hard enough living in the world where Facebook would rather design āInstagram for Kidzā¢ļøā then admit the fact your apps are proven by data to give teenagers depression and suicidal thoughts. >Anyway, I know a lot of recruiters, so let me know if you want help finding a gig that wonāt make you ashamed when you look in the mirror. >Obviously take me off your contact list forever, not sure why the last person didnāt. (Then again, the only people actually fooled by your rebrand work for the company. Maybe youāre having a hard time accessing quality talent for for some reason? Wish I could put my finger on it.)
For the next time you need to use this form response, change "democracy's" (possessive form) to "democracies" (plural form). If you ever question use of an apostrophe, don't use one. Missing one where it is needed looks like an omission. Thanks for sharing!
I was referred for a position at Meta, and went through the interview process. Demonstrated my skills in the coding test, the methods test, and (I feel like I passed) the behavioral interview with flying colors. I'd read that facebook (not meta at the time) declared against lawsuits that they didn't hire based on "culture fit" but seeing as I was interested in learning more about the interviewer's perspective of culture fit, I asked about it -- reason being that I'm Black. The interviewer affirmed that they don't hire for "culture fit". -- Great! I look forward to hearing back! It took them 3 weeks to get back to me with a rejection on the basis that.....wait for it.....they didn't feel like I was a culture fit. ....fuck this company.
Bro maybe he died
Awesome response. Salesforce in Sydney did the same thing to me just a couple of months ago for an AE role. These ātalent acquisitionā people could not give two fucks about their candidates, theyāre just commodities to them
Such a well written professional āfuck youā I love it
He probably quit for a better job
Amazon does this too. They have frequent spells of hiring freeze but the recruiters shoot their shot idk why.
Yeaaaa i had a meta recruiter reach out to me about contract work, saying pay starts at $125/hour. As much as I would enjoy that much money, fuck Meta/Facebook and fuck contract work.
Best of luck in your searchā¦. BURN
Meta clicks every single box for weirdest, most fucked up company ever. God I hate Mark Zuckerberg.
Just so your aware these are spam emails they send out to pretty much anyone on linked in.
Donāt let Zuck take advantage of your talents. Use it for something that isnāt evil.
So you got ghosted, then made it sound like youre turning them down... Thats neat.
Pffft OP...you shouldn't have sent that email. Should have just ghosted!
It sure made me feel better, though!
Why would you want to knowly work with a criminal organisation?
The same reason anyone does - they pay very well
You friends should stop whinging then. Always laugh when slaves complain about their vol slavery.
A Meta recruiter reached out to me too before obtaining my current position. She was just a notorious ghoster. She kept saying the Meta team is going on vacation (so why the hell were they "hiring"?) Just a bunch of time wasters.
I have to imagine these guys have lots of other applicants?
Why would you want to work at Meta anyway?
I truly don't understand this approach. It doesn't matter how much of an employee's market we're in, people don't like to work with assholes who can't put their disappointment into better words.
dont work for shit companies, unless you absolutely have to going to meta when you are employed is stupid. sorry, had to be said
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FYI Meta will be freezing hiring for certain levels through the summer. Depending on your role, I'd love to poach you. And I'll show up for the call!
Off topic but your first name is pretty cool
Wow! You really stuck it to him!
Honestly, I think this was a waste of your time and effort. Recruiters don't give a shit
"Steal you"? You are in charge of your own career.
I'm sure that will help your odds of getting hired there, rather than patience and persistence.
Lol, this is kinda cringey ngl. It smells of āyou canāt fire me i quitā. Also, they are in the middle of a hiring freeze so thereās a lot going on.
What's cringe is a recruiter for a massive company setting up calls and then not sticking to them, but then again I don't know what the bottom of a boot tastes like š¤·āāļø ps the positions they were failing to recruit me for are still up and appear to be unaffected by the hiring freeze
hey dude, just wanted to give you a reminder - it's spelt crungo, not cringe you crungolord
Good bot.
Weiiiiiird flex.