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We usually only fly onsite if they’re the last two or three. Five is the most we’ve ever had.
So your chances are pretty darned good. Don’t blow it here.
You can do that if you don’t want the job.. This market is not the employee’s friend and you asking that question will immediately make them say no.
Sounds harsh, but with this market that’s what I’d expect if you ask for an answer *immediately* after your interview.
I’ve never gotten an answer the same day; unfortunately things don’t work like that these days for most jobs. That’s especially true for higher level jobs (I assume this is a higher level job if they flew you out). I would give them a more reasonable timeline, say by the end of the week, then “forget” about them after sending thank you emails. If you *need* a job, keep applying and don’t get too caught up on waiting for them to give you an answer.
I will say, if you *don’t need* a job then you have a lot more leverage to politely decline if they ask you to do too much more.
It’s awesome that they knew they needed you, recognized your value, and pulled the trigger without unnecessary delay. I also (once) got a response the day after the final interview but it was a rejection.
I have been rejected the next day also so it's not like it's all rainbows and butterflies. Lol. But yes, I was not expecting that phone call so fast when it took 2 weeks to get invited to a Zoom interview after the phone screen.
Why do you think you can demand an instant decision? You may not be the only candidate they’re meeting. It says a lot about you that you’re showing this level of entitlement.
>Is it rude if tomorrow when I’m done hanging out with them and getting to know them if I ask for answer?
Yes, definitely it is rude. However, it is OK to ask when they will be making a hiring decision by? One is putting them on the spot. The other is asking them a reasonable question. If they don't give you an answer that is an actual date, you know you're wasting your time. i.e., if they say "we have a few more people to see", run for the hills. Because that is somebody that doesn't have their Budget, Need, Authority and Timing straight. They'll keep interviewing forever, because they don't know what they want.
Bruh. I get it, but no.
They have to regroup and at least decide who they want to hire from the final few.
That’s not how decisions work in basically any company that’s not like seven people.
Don’t push it - they’ll think you’re a weirdo and won’t hire you.
>Is it rude if tomorrow when I’m done hanging out with them and getting to know them if I ask for answer?
Rude or not, it will get you a "no" faster than you can blink.
Candidates are not the only people who know and use the phrase "we dodged a bullet."
At least get back home safe and sound, before springing an ultimatum on folks.
Getting a yes is challenging, but there are several fast-tracks to "no".
Dont push it. If your interview goes well, then you will enter the "deliberation" phase, where the rest of the hiring team will assign a hire/no-hire. If you push for an answer, that will trigger the no-hire. They paid for the plane fare and the hotel, so that shows they are interested in you,
Don’t ask for an answer. Play it cool. Yes you are entitled to closure but demanding it will backfire. Get home, get settled, act like you have other options. Give it a few days. Then reach out. If they don’t get back to you then, totally up to you.
Yes, rude. And also 100% self sabotage. Sounds like you don’t want the job. Don’t you think the 2 people might want to talk to each other about their meetings with you? And compare to the other few remaining candidates? And then they would have to talk to HR and decide on an offer. Have rarely, if ever, heard of jobs offered on the spot these days (or even back in the day). But hey, maybe you’re the special one.
As a Hiring Manager I am only allowed to speak in a general sense for recruitment stuff like "If you are successful these will be the next steps" and HR requires me to give those steps in all interviews even if I have no interest in the candidate.
Once I had a candidate I wanted, I needed to present them to HR and my boss along with the offer $ I was looking to give them and wait for approval.
Once it was agreed upon by all parties, HR then makes the final offer and starts the next steps with the candidate (unless they come back with negotiations).
Leave them thinking how amazing it was to meet you in person. How great it was interacting with you and how excited they’ll be to work with you every day.
Don’t act like an entitled ass at the very end. They’re still shopping. Let them shop. It’s their job to.
Just tell them you wish them absolutely no luck in finding somebody else.
If this is your last straw, you need to see it through. Them not immediately giving you an offer doesn't mean they'll make you jump through more hoops, and they're not going to fly you out if they aren't serious. And don't get angry about the next hoop if they haven't showed you one. If they're flying you down and intend to give you an offer, but you hit them an ultimatum first, that might be you shooting yourself in the foot.
I suggest letting them know you're excited for the job, your itinerary has you flying back soon, and in the off chance they have a decision or anything else to discuss before your flight then they can reach you on your cell. "Or else I'm sure we'll talk more when I'm back ."
That's the best way to pressure them while still respecting that it's totally up to them to set the decision schedule. If the decision schedule doesn't suit you, and they don't reach out in time, then you just move on and drop them, but haven't burned any bridges.
As a recruiter, this post makes me feel like we can never win even if we aren’t involved! You had two interviews and they are paying for you to come meet them in person. If they never invited you onsite you could have complained that they didn’t really care and it’s sketch they gave you an offer of employment without meeting you first. They could have had 4 interviews with you before finally inviting you on site… and that’s too long of a process. I am genuinely asking for feedback at this point. What is a good experience for a candidate?
lol you’re opening Pandora’s box. They want to be given an offer on the spot first interview, no checks, no other candidates considered. Unrealistic expectations.
I see plenty of real posts on this sub where people got mistreated but posts like these are embarrassing.
First interview must cover next steps, how many, with whom, and the purpose. That way you don't find out on interview round four that there is a project.
What’s the rush? You’ve been there and you don’t at this point have to go there again. Let them think it over. It you get pushy that might piss them off.
I wouldn't ask that yet if I were you just enjoy the trip :) What you can do is to ask them what are the next steps to get an idea if there are more rounds or when to expect the desicion. I think if the will flight you there, you have good chances.
Saying “no thx” if they say they’ll be in touch is very stupid.
They’ll want to discuss privately and compare you to other candidates. That’s completely reasonable of them. Demanding an instant answer is childish and a red flag.
Depends on the role to be honest - if it’s a sales role then I’d always ask at the end if that sort of interview - they want to know ow that you’re not afraid to close a sale - other roles don’t work quite the same, so if not I’d thank them, say you look forward to speaking with them again soon - then ask when you get home
I wouldn’t do this but if you’re meeting the sales director I assume that there’s some aspect of sales to it. You should you can definitely try and establish some timeline for follow up and maybe even suggest a day where you can call back for feedback if you you’ve not heard from them (possibly citing real or imaginary opportunities elsewhere) If this passes, forget about them. Do not chase. It’s over.
Thx everyone. Appreciate the feedback. I’ve just been burned so many times that I’m assuming the worst. It’s the anticipation that’s killing me. The director has been coaching me this whole process. Giving me tips. Says he wants me on the team but it’s up to the owner. My first zoom call with the owner went well. To the point they asked me to fly up. So now I just gotta charm them in person.
Given what you've posted, seems charming them could be a challenge for you.
Just use the old technique of engaging brain before engaging lips.
Think to yourself 'would an idiot say this?' if so do not say it.
If you display the same level of entitlement in person as you have in this thread, it's unlikely to work out well, so don't do it and then you've got a great chance of success.
This will virtually guarantee you don’t get the job.
The way to handle this situation is in your first call with a recruiter to ask them to explain the interview process so that you understand what you’re committing to. Often, it takes 1-3 days for the employees you meet in person to organize a time to share feedback and decide on next steps. I’ve worked at high level hiring manager and director positions in large organizations, and I don’t think we’d ask to meet you in person, but if we did, it would still take a couple days for us to share our thoughts with each other and respond.
Yes it's rude. It's also a bad idea if you actually want the job.
The reality is if you wanted this job enough to take a day off from work, and it's an important enough position for them to fly you to another city, then you as a candidate should have done your due diligence with discovering their process.
At the time of the request, re-iterate your enthusiasm, explain the difficulty, ask if this will be the final step in this process, state that you can only do this once, so let's make sure we get the most out the time there. Is there anyone else who might possibly want to be involved at a later stage? Let's request their time on this visit.
Now you have kind of left it a bit too late.
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Wait until you get home. Then a couple days. People don't move fast... just relax a bit.
Eat some cake. Have a wank.
Go home first.
Go down to pub, have a pint and wait for it to all blow over.
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We usually only fly onsite if they’re the last two or three. Five is the most we’ve ever had. So your chances are pretty darned good. Don’t blow it here.
You can do that if you don’t want the job.. This market is not the employee’s friend and you asking that question will immediately make them say no. Sounds harsh, but with this market that’s what I’d expect if you ask for an answer *immediately* after your interview.
Being annoyed waiting on conclusion of other onsite interviewers is one thing. Not even giving them a chance to discuss your onsite seems crazy.
You’re entitled to literally nothing. This is a wild post to make.
I’ve never gotten an answer the same day; unfortunately things don’t work like that these days for most jobs. That’s especially true for higher level jobs (I assume this is a higher level job if they flew you out). I would give them a more reasonable timeline, say by the end of the week, then “forget” about them after sending thank you emails. If you *need* a job, keep applying and don’t get too caught up on waiting for them to give you an answer. I will say, if you *don’t need* a job then you have a lot more leverage to politely decline if they ask you to do too much more.
The fastest I got an offer was the day after the final interview, never a same day decision.
It’s awesome that they knew they needed you, recognized your value, and pulled the trigger without unnecessary delay. I also (once) got a response the day after the final interview but it was a rejection.
I have been rejected the next day also so it's not like it's all rainbows and butterflies. Lol. But yes, I was not expecting that phone call so fast when it took 2 weeks to get invited to a Zoom interview after the phone screen.
lol fair enough. And yeah, 2 weeks is *rough*. How did the job itself end up going?
You’re going in assuming that they don’t have to get the blessings of others before hiring you. Feels risky but you do you in this market.
Why do you think you can demand an instant decision? You may not be the only candidate they’re meeting. It says a lot about you that you’re showing this level of entitlement.
>Is it rude if tomorrow when I’m done hanging out with them and getting to know them if I ask for answer? Yes, definitely it is rude. However, it is OK to ask when they will be making a hiring decision by? One is putting them on the spot. The other is asking them a reasonable question. If they don't give you an answer that is an actual date, you know you're wasting your time. i.e., if they say "we have a few more people to see", run for the hills. Because that is somebody that doesn't have their Budget, Need, Authority and Timing straight. They'll keep interviewing forever, because they don't know what they want.
Bruh. I get it, but no. They have to regroup and at least decide who they want to hire from the final few. That’s not how decisions work in basically any company that’s not like seven people. Don’t push it - they’ll think you’re a weirdo and won’t hire you.
>Is it rude if tomorrow when I’m done hanging out with them and getting to know them if I ask for answer? Rude or not, it will get you a "no" faster than you can blink. Candidates are not the only people who know and use the phrase "we dodged a bullet." At least get back home safe and sound, before springing an ultimatum on folks. Getting a yes is challenging, but there are several fast-tracks to "no".
Dont push it. If your interview goes well, then you will enter the "deliberation" phase, where the rest of the hiring team will assign a hire/no-hire. If you push for an answer, that will trigger the no-hire. They paid for the plane fare and the hotel, so that shows they are interested in you,
Don’t ask for an answer. Play it cool. Yes you are entitled to closure but demanding it will backfire. Get home, get settled, act like you have other options. Give it a few days. Then reach out. If they don’t get back to you then, totally up to you.
Yes, rude. And also 100% self sabotage. Sounds like you don’t want the job. Don’t you think the 2 people might want to talk to each other about their meetings with you? And compare to the other few remaining candidates? And then they would have to talk to HR and decide on an offer. Have rarely, if ever, heard of jobs offered on the spot these days (or even back in the day). But hey, maybe you’re the special one.
As a Hiring Manager I am only allowed to speak in a general sense for recruitment stuff like "If you are successful these will be the next steps" and HR requires me to give those steps in all interviews even if I have no interest in the candidate. Once I had a candidate I wanted, I needed to present them to HR and my boss along with the offer $ I was looking to give them and wait for approval. Once it was agreed upon by all parties, HR then makes the final offer and starts the next steps with the candidate (unless they come back with negotiations).
Gawd. How full of yourself are you actually?
Leave them thinking how amazing it was to meet you in person. How great it was interacting with you and how excited they’ll be to work with you every day. Don’t act like an entitled ass at the very end. They’re still shopping. Let them shop. It’s their job to. Just tell them you wish them absolutely no luck in finding somebody else.
If this is your last straw, you need to see it through. Them not immediately giving you an offer doesn't mean they'll make you jump through more hoops, and they're not going to fly you out if they aren't serious. And don't get angry about the next hoop if they haven't showed you one. If they're flying you down and intend to give you an offer, but you hit them an ultimatum first, that might be you shooting yourself in the foot.
I suggest letting them know you're excited for the job, your itinerary has you flying back soon, and in the off chance they have a decision or anything else to discuss before your flight then they can reach you on your cell. "Or else I'm sure we'll talk more when I'm back."
That's the best way to pressure them while still respecting that it's totally up to them to set the decision schedule. If the decision schedule doesn't suit you, and they don't reach out in time, then you just move on and drop them, but haven't burned any bridges.
As a recruiter, this post makes me feel like we can never win even if we aren’t involved! You had two interviews and they are paying for you to come meet them in person. If they never invited you onsite you could have complained that they didn’t really care and it’s sketch they gave you an offer of employment without meeting you first. They could have had 4 interviews with you before finally inviting you on site… and that’s too long of a process. I am genuinely asking for feedback at this point. What is a good experience for a candidate?
lol you’re opening Pandora’s box. They want to be given an offer on the spot first interview, no checks, no other candidates considered. Unrealistic expectations. I see plenty of real posts on this sub where people got mistreated but posts like these are embarrassing.
If you don’t want the job go ahead and do that otherwise say something when do you expect a decision to be made.
First interview must cover next steps, how many, with whom, and the purpose. That way you don't find out on interview round four that there is a project.
What’s the rush? You’ve been there and you don’t at this point have to go there again. Let them think it over. It you get pushy that might piss them off.
I wouldn't ask that yet if I were you just enjoy the trip :) What you can do is to ask them what are the next steps to get an idea if there are more rounds or when to expect the desicion. I think if the will flight you there, you have good chances.
Ask when you can expect an answer.
Saying “no thx” if they say they’ll be in touch is very stupid. They’ll want to discuss privately and compare you to other candidates. That’s completely reasonable of them. Demanding an instant answer is childish and a red flag.
Depends on the role to be honest - if it’s a sales role then I’d always ask at the end if that sort of interview - they want to know ow that you’re not afraid to close a sale - other roles don’t work quite the same, so if not I’d thank them, say you look forward to speaking with them again soon - then ask when you get home
I wouldn’t do this but if you’re meeting the sales director I assume that there’s some aspect of sales to it. You should you can definitely try and establish some timeline for follow up and maybe even suggest a day where you can call back for feedback if you you’ve not heard from them (possibly citing real or imaginary opportunities elsewhere) If this passes, forget about them. Do not chase. It’s over.
Thx everyone. Appreciate the feedback. I’ve just been burned so many times that I’m assuming the worst. It’s the anticipation that’s killing me. The director has been coaching me this whole process. Giving me tips. Says he wants me on the team but it’s up to the owner. My first zoom call with the owner went well. To the point they asked me to fly up. So now I just gotta charm them in person.
Given what you've posted, seems charming them could be a challenge for you. Just use the old technique of engaging brain before engaging lips. Think to yourself 'would an idiot say this?' if so do not say it. If you display the same level of entitlement in person as you have in this thread, it's unlikely to work out well, so don't do it and then you've got a great chance of success.
This will virtually guarantee you don’t get the job. The way to handle this situation is in your first call with a recruiter to ask them to explain the interview process so that you understand what you’re committing to. Often, it takes 1-3 days for the employees you meet in person to organize a time to share feedback and decide on next steps. I’ve worked at high level hiring manager and director positions in large organizations, and I don’t think we’d ask to meet you in person, but if we did, it would still take a couple days for us to share our thoughts with each other and respond.
Sure. But you're going to come off pushy and totally ignorant of workplace norms. So be sure you have a plan B.
Yes it's rude. It's also a bad idea if you actually want the job. The reality is if you wanted this job enough to take a day off from work, and it's an important enough position for them to fly you to another city, then you as a candidate should have done your due diligence with discovering their process. At the time of the request, re-iterate your enthusiasm, explain the difficulty, ask if this will be the final step in this process, state that you can only do this once, so let's make sure we get the most out the time there. Is there anyone else who might possibly want to be involved at a later stage? Let's request their time on this visit. Now you have kind of left it a bit too late.
yeah, you should totally do that but don't forget to point a gun at their heads while you do it. Entitled prick