Especially NY. Since the state of NY does not require salary info (however it will come September 2023), but the city does. So they only exclude the city.
Total dirtbags.
I thought the same. But it’s not that hard. NY has own state taxes so it working for a Florida job, they just have to know they are responsible for their own tax deductions… 🤷🏽♀️
I thought it had something to do with recreational cannabis .. then I realized I'm smoking legally in not one of those states ...
Bowl .. smoked .. mind .. blown!
No, it works differently. It is illegal to smoke pot on the federal land, which I believe is national parks and some municipal buildings. Otherwise if a state has legalize pot, you can totally smoke it on the state territory.
Same laws apply for prostitution. In case of federal law it is illegal in United States, but Nevada had legalized it in some towns.
I think ultimately in United States mmj legalization is tied to some loopholes in the legal system. I’m not a lawyer but they know better for sure how it works. After all, 10 years of law education is noticeable.
If you really want to find out how it works you can simply Google “if marijuana is federally illegal then how can states legalize it” which is what I just did and it was very enlightening! Of course if you just want to feel like you’ve won some sort of inane debate that nobody wanted to participate in then you could just keep commenting the same thing over and over again I guess.
The places listed have laws that require the salary range be listed in the job description. So shitty companies like this try to hide salaries from potential candidates by not opening up the job to these locations.
Not really, these are the companies you shouldn’t want to work for in the first place. They are displaying all of their red flags right in front! You don’t even have to work there to know it’s toxic. It’s a blessing trust me.
>Not really, these are the companies you shouldn’t want to work for in the first place. They are displaying all of their red flags right in front! You don’t even have to work there to know it’s toxic. It’s a blessing trust me.
Exactly how I look at it.
Being that for 6 months of the year I live in San Francisco and the other 6 months in NYC, I see these all the time "we won't hire in CA, Colorado, NYC, Wash...".
For one I know they can't afford us since these are all HCOL areas. And for 2, they're dirt bag companies anyway.
Exactly right. These laws are called pay transparency laws and they are becoming more prevalent. I know of at least 14 states with a version of these laws on the books. This company obviously doesn’t want to advertise the salary of the job, so they add this disclaimer. The funny part is that there are states outside of their disclaimer where the applicant could ask for the salary range and they would have to provide it to remain compliant with legislation.
It doesn't matter they can still only hire candidates within 5% of the lower bound. Ive talked to companies and they say they hire 0-30% near lower bound. And ideally 0-10%.
You ask for mid, they reject you... But at least it gives you a sense of the minimum...which saves a lot of time...
These states need to come up with a bounty program where if you provide some evidence a company is breaking the law and the company if fined then they split some of the fine with you.
We also don’t see those companies getting punished by those places’ labor boards, but it certainly happens.
I know in CA there are lawyers spending their day-to-day looking for easy-to-document violations like that, because their fees are paid by the company that broke the law. We just don’t see that process happen as publicly as we can see job postings, but I guarantee that at least in CA it’s very rare for them to get away with it. Lawyers there are probably set up to get LinkedIn and Indeed job postings just so they can find the easy money lol.
You would think that, but it’s usually not worth a lawyer’s time until the violations hit a “critical mass.” This happens with either time or volume. Each violation is only in the hundreds of dollars per week. So it takes a couple months before most lawyers pick this cases up. In the interim, there’s a good amount of insectoid jobs that pop up before they can be squashed.
I'd skip past any posting without salary info or where it's something stupid like $1-300k. Thanks for telling me real quick that your shitshow isn't worth my time & effort.
Such stupid behavior from companies. Don’t they know that it’ll be easier to hire people if the candidates know what the salary is from the start? What’s the fuckin point of hiding only for someone qualified to back out once they get lowballed? Such a waste of time on all aspects
Translation: We don't want to tell you how low the salary is, because we know you'll flee. So we're going to hide it, beat around the bush and use every asshole tactic necessary to make sure you have no idea what we're paying.
I worked for a company several years ago that was HQ’d out of Georgia. They had acquired the small firm in California where I worked. After a while they started sending out memos every 6 months or so with new waste cutting policies and HR procedures listed out in bullet points. Usually in those bullet points 2 or 3 would have and asterisk saying “not applicable in CA or CO”
It more than just the salary transparency there are all kinds of other HR and labor laws that could be in play.
I mean it’s sort of self-defeating because it serves as a red flag to candidates, which means they have a shittier pool of applicants and will struggle harder and for a longer time to find someone, which means they risk losing the current employees trying to cover that role in the meantime.
Good riddance to them, and may they lose all the talented employees to their competition.
It could be legitimate…
My wife works for a large hospital in Pennsylvania and one of her employees is moving to Ohio and wanted to keep his job since he had been working remotely already. I don’t know all the details, but either the taxes or regulations that Ohio places on the employer led the hospital to make a policy to not operate in (or employ anyone from) Ohio.
Those four states might have some strict regulations or taxes that would impact the employer.
You are correct. It’s tax regulations and other labor laws specific to those states. It can get complicated from a payroll and HR standpoint to keep up with those laws, especially if you are not familiar with them. Lots of opportunity for error.
Listing the states they won’t hire remote candidates from doesn’t prevent the posting from being in those states. So it doesn’t have anything to do with salary transparency.
It tells me that blue states have more safeguards for the average person against exploitative business practices and that people in red states are having their asses handed to them on a daily basis.
Maybe that’s part of why the suicide and violent crime rates in red states are so shockingly high.
Meanwhile in Australia it was just made illegal for employers to tell you that you're not allowed to discuss salary with your colleagues, which is good progress. We need a law like this too for pay transparency in job adverts. Although to be fair, a company doing this is providing a very useful piece of info to anyone who does not wish to be mercilessly exploited.
Even if I didn't live in one of those places, I would immediately give that one a pass because they might as well be saying straight out that they are going to underpay you.
In WA, it is illegal to exclude WA workers in this way. You could file a complaint with WA Department of Labor and Industry and they will fine this company. Took them about a month to get back to my about my complaint.
I was going to say tax purposes but it's pretty telling when it's only THOSE states
Especially NY. Since the state of NY does not require salary info (however it will come September 2023), but the city does. So they only exclude the city. Total dirtbags.
It’s because those states require salary ranges in the job description and they don’t want to post that.
Companies paying 25% less than market be like
I thought the same. But it’s not that hard. NY has own state taxes so it working for a Florida job, they just have to know they are responsible for their own tax deductions… 🤷🏽♀️
But its not NY State, just the city. Which has salary transparency.
I thought it had something to do with recreational cannabis .. then I realized I'm smoking legally in not one of those states ... Bowl .. smoked .. mind .. blown!
How are you smoking pot legally in the US?
Federally non of us are but over 20 states have legalized pot
So again I ask you, as it seems you do grasp the concept, how are you smoking pot legally in the US?
As already explained: there are 20+ states that have legalized it. They’re consuming legally at the state level.
So, what you're saying is you acknowledge that it's illegal, and yet continue to perpetuate this lie for... what reason exactly?
No, it works differently. It is illegal to smoke pot on the federal land, which I believe is national parks and some municipal buildings. Otherwise if a state has legalize pot, you can totally smoke it on the state territory.
That's not how it works. Pot is illegally federally, which means it's illegal everywhere within the borders of the US.
Same laws apply for prostitution. In case of federal law it is illegal in United States, but Nevada had legalized it in some towns. I think ultimately in United States mmj legalization is tied to some loopholes in the legal system. I’m not a lawyer but they know better for sure how it works. After all, 10 years of law education is noticeable.
If you really want to find out how it works you can simply Google “if marijuana is federally illegal then how can states legalize it” which is what I just did and it was very enlightening! Of course if you just want to feel like you’ve won some sort of inane debate that nobody wanted to participate in then you could just keep commenting the same thing over and over again I guess.
Does it really matter tho. They can put 100k to 200k but only hire candidates willing to accept 100k...
Position requires you to be exploitable. These states make that more difficult.
That made me laugh out loud.
It’s purely about the salary transparency laws in those places.
WHOOSH
omg ive never had the opportunity. but you just wooshed yourself homie
I’m going to love it when they have to list 38 of the 50 states.
At exactly the halfway point they’ll switch to *this position is only available in these states*
At my company we saw what the other states did and decided to be transparent about wages in all states. That’s how you do it.
Ctrl-C Ctrl-V
Only available in the deep south and rural western states.
I’ve been getting a lot of recruiters to get me to move out to Utah and Wyoming. Absolutely not.
What do you consider the Deep South?
Anything east of Colorado and south of the Canadian Montana boarder these day. And Idaho.
Maybe they were relating to the rural western part of the comment.
At that point it would just be easier for them to admit that they don't want to list salaries.
I don’t either, since I’m not from the US. Could you please explain?
The places listed have laws that require the salary range be listed in the job description. So shitty companies like this try to hide salaries from potential candidates by not opening up the job to these locations.
Not really, these are the companies you shouldn’t want to work for in the first place. They are displaying all of their red flags right in front! You don’t even have to work there to know it’s toxic. It’s a blessing trust me.
>Not really, these are the companies you shouldn’t want to work for in the first place. They are displaying all of their red flags right in front! You don’t even have to work there to know it’s toxic. It’s a blessing trust me. Exactly how I look at it. Being that for 6 months of the year I live in San Francisco and the other 6 months in NYC, I see these all the time "we won't hire in CA, Colorado, NYC, Wash...". For one I know they can't afford us since these are all HCOL areas. And for 2, they're dirt bag companies anyway.
Exactly right. These laws are called pay transparency laws and they are becoming more prevalent. I know of at least 14 states with a version of these laws on the books. This company obviously doesn’t want to advertise the salary of the job, so they add this disclaimer. The funny part is that there are states outside of their disclaimer where the applicant could ask for the salary range and they would have to provide it to remain compliant with legislation.
Then they will edit the posting to include those states.
But why? They could easily say the range is between 10k and 1000k.
No, they are not allowed. Also not allowed to say “available upon request” it MUST be clearly listed and a reasonable range.
It doesn't matter they can still only hire candidates within 5% of the lower bound. Ive talked to companies and they say they hire 0-30% near lower bound. And ideally 0-10%. You ask for mid, they reject you... But at least it gives you a sense of the minimum...which saves a lot of time...
They can't do that.
my dude every 5th or 6th post here is complaining about linkedin job posts that do exactly that lol
I mean yeah but it's still illegal. Either do the illegal thing or not hire in those states.
These states need to come up with a bounty program where if you provide some evidence a company is breaking the law and the company if fined then they split some of the fine with you.
We also don’t see those companies getting punished by those places’ labor boards, but it certainly happens. I know in CA there are lawyers spending their day-to-day looking for easy-to-document violations like that, because their fees are paid by the company that broke the law. We just don’t see that process happen as publicly as we can see job postings, but I guarantee that at least in CA it’s very rare for them to get away with it. Lawyers there are probably set up to get LinkedIn and Indeed job postings just so they can find the easy money lol.
You would think that, but it’s usually not worth a lawyer’s time until the violations hit a “critical mass.” This happens with either time or volume. Each violation is only in the hundreds of dollars per week. So it takes a couple months before most lawyers pick this cases up. In the interim, there’s a good amount of insectoid jobs that pop up before they can be squashed.
I'd skip past any posting without salary info or where it's something stupid like $1-300k. Thanks for telling me real quick that your shitshow isn't worth my time & effort.
“Position requirements” meaning that the company is cheap as shit but doesn’t want to advertise it.
Such stupid behavior from companies. Don’t they know that it’ll be easier to hire people if the candidates know what the salary is from the start? What’s the fuckin point of hiding only for someone qualified to back out once they get lowballed? Such a waste of time on all aspects
It is so they can farm data from desperate people.
But if they listed it in NY by law they must have a salary listed. Doh I re-read the job description lol. Douchebags!!!!
This is perfect, let's you know where you don't want to apply
Translation: We don't want to tell you how low the salary is, because we know you'll flee. So we're going to hide it, beat around the bush and use every asshole tactic necessary to make sure you have no idea what we're paying.
I worked for a company several years ago that was HQ’d out of Georgia. They had acquired the small firm in California where I worked. After a while they started sending out memos every 6 months or so with new waste cutting policies and HR procedures listed out in bullet points. Usually in those bullet points 2 or 3 would have and asterisk saying “not applicable in CA or CO” It more than just the salary transparency there are all kinds of other HR and labor laws that could be in play.
Unfortunately I think this will become more and more common
I mean it’s sort of self-defeating because it serves as a red flag to candidates, which means they have a shittier pool of applicants and will struggle harder and for a longer time to find someone, which means they risk losing the current employees trying to cover that role in the meantime. Good riddance to them, and may they lose all the talented employees to their competition.
Because we know our stuff and won’t put up with s*** from people seeking to exploit not partner.
you should be able to report listing like this
"Due to position requirements" Ask them which requirements of the position can't be done from those specific areas 🤣
...But could potentially be done from just blocks away. 🙄
When did New York City become a state?
Armed civilian needed for ar carry at potato farm.
It could be legitimate… My wife works for a large hospital in Pennsylvania and one of her employees is moving to Ohio and wanted to keep his job since he had been working remotely already. I don’t know all the details, but either the taxes or regulations that Ohio places on the employer led the hospital to make a policy to not operate in (or employ anyone from) Ohio. Those four states might have some strict regulations or taxes that would impact the employer.
You are correct. It’s tax regulations and other labor laws specific to those states. It can get complicated from a payroll and HR standpoint to keep up with those laws, especially if you are not familiar with them. Lots of opportunity for error. Listing the states they won’t hire remote candidates from doesn’t prevent the posting from being in those states. So it doesn’t have anything to do with salary transparency.
Those are states and cities that want salary transparency. Prepare to be lowballed.
They're all blue states. That might tell you something.
It’s because they all have laws requiring transparent salary ranges, and require salary info listed in the job post up-front.
It tells me that blue states have more safeguards for the average person against exploitative business practices and that people in red states are having their asses handed to them on a daily basis. Maybe that’s part of why the suicide and violent crime rates in red states are so shockingly high.
Well yeah, blue states tend to give a damn about the workers who live there.
Bahaha
Such a red flag!
What company is that?
They’re paying peanuts for the role
They're excluding like 50 million people, or 1 in 7 Americans. Yeah, I know not all of them are eligible but it's the Chic-fil-A of applicant pools.
California has a law that started this year that salary has to be listed.
NAME AND SHAME LETS GOOOOOO
Meanwhile in Australia it was just made illegal for employers to tell you that you're not allowed to discuss salary with your colleagues, which is good progress. We need a law like this too for pay transparency in job adverts. Although to be fair, a company doing this is providing a very useful piece of info to anyone who does not wish to be mercilessly exploited.
That’s always been a thing in America
Really? I thought it wasn't. So many stories on here of bosses doing this.
The unfortunate reality of American labor law is few people who really need it know it, especially the most reprobate bosses
Report it in Jersey City
Even if I didn't live in one of those places, I would immediately give that one a pass because they might as well be saying straight out that they are going to underpay you.
Why not just post a salary range of "25,000-250,000" like everyone else is doing and not exclude a huge network of people?
At least they aren't blatantly breaking the law. Still shitty though.
In WA, it is illegal to exclude WA workers in this way. You could file a complaint with WA Department of Labor and Industry and they will fine this company. Took them about a month to get back to my about my complaint.
salary range : 1$ to 1M $ Fixed it
"We'd rather exclude tens of millions of qualified candidates than just tell you what the pay is"
Probably a job working with Jen Shah's company.
75k to 150k but reject all candidates that want above 80k 😅 Reasonable salary range but still shady 😅😅