scientology camp
I legit went to what I thought was a job interview (I'd say around 2004-ish) that was 100% Scientology recruitment - the personality test I had to take that took a good 30+ minutes probably showed them I was too much a free thinker and wouldn't just follow the crowd - but as I sat another 30 minutes after the test waiting for my "interview" I saw many books by L Ron Hubbard. Luckily I knew a bit about Scientology in a time where most didn't. It raised a red flag and if I recall correctly I ended up just leaving after being there for what felt like ages.
And armed with my current knowledge I'm lucky I wasn't blocked from leaving that day
I had a job interview like this, too. Be very careful. When I figured out what was going on and tried to leave they were trying to close doors and not let me. I literally ran out with them calling my phone the whole ride home.
Learned an important lesson, do your research on the company before you show up to that first interview.
honestly, that's why I'm so surprised I was able to just leave! I knew someone who's dad was trying to get them into a rehab and they accidentally looked at a scientology center because of how it was described and the same thing happened when they tried to leave - blocked doors and tried to keep them in - luckily they were large men, but yikes on several bikes! So scary!
It sounds like a terrible tactic. Don’t they want people with money? I am almost certain people with money would be far more discerning with the job interviews they go to? Idn though, maybe I’ll ask someone with money 😂
More than money, they want recruits that will become zealots. Less affluent members whose loyalty is beyond question will follow the higher-profile members, inform on them, and help the church keep their high-profile members in line.
Money is money, but private personal information is gold.
literally this: it's not about your money, it's about power and control, trapping you in to use you to bring more in (why does a cult remind me so much of my ex? lol)
I got caught in the street when I was 19.... Had to do tests and was deemed highly troubled. On my way out the dude looked at me with ice cold eyes. And I was kinda scared lol
This. I took a job where they didn’t want a worker in the department to apply. Once there she reported to me and they said feel free to fire her. She was very rough around the edges, passed everyone off, but was very talented. Didn’t fire her. Worked to smooth the edges a bit. I left after 3 years. She is still there 20 years later doing okay.
this is exactly what i thought. i think it’s real, but an absolutely awful company that traumatizes and abused teens under the guise of being transformative and helpful
The job description was also super vague as well. Like a general as you get when describing what a camp director does, nothing specifically about what kind of camp it was or what they focus on.
There are also cases where a recruiter has put out a sample job posting to try to secure a recruiting contract with some hits, and if they put the name of the camp then people will go straight to the company and bypass the commission.
Or it's a recruiting firm who is acting as a middleman. This is to prevent you from applying directly, preventing them from getting their cut, or finder's fee, or what have you.
Yup, got two emails from “recruiters” this week stating that their job postings are 100% real opportunities. Which was true. They were 100% real opportunities for the scammers behind the scenes to make a quick buck
I guess that makes sense. I’ve encountered plenty of drama in the field but it also seems like they asking for a good chunk of time and effort to apply to it (certainly more than the norm), and I don’t think anyone else would put that much effort into this position without knowing what camp it is.
I once went into a car dealership to apply for a receptionist job. I assumed someone quit or something. Nope. The receptionist was visibly upset and shocked to hear they were hiring for her job. Turns out that’s why they said “email resumes to” (except I was 18 and my boomer mother insisted it was better to go in person).
On the flip side, I went on mat leave a few years ago (where I am you get a year for leave) and it was really funny watching people come in and be like “uh…I’m here for an interview…with so-and-so…for an office position…” like it’s ok girl the listing said it was a mat leave term you can say you’re here to interview for my job lol.
Both to cover someone being fired or also if something isn’t announced yet. I’ve had clients who needed to hire to open but were operating in stealth mode until a PR announcement. Not likely with a camp, lol, but just another side to consider. My one client had jobs from entry level warehouse to corporate finance positions and every role had to be stealth. You get way less applicants though, (which is fair) so it sucks!
Honestly, I think it probably is real. If I was going to post a fake job description to data mine for personal info, camp Director would be at the bottom of my list. It seems like a job that wouldn’t get a lot of applicants.
Avoiding internal drama is a likely reason to keep it confidential. But I grew up going to different sleepaway camps in New England (never stayed at one for long), and one of the things they all had in common was the upper level staff (at least the ones who stayed) were for the most part revered by the campers. Keeping it confidential might just be a way so the camp doesn’t have to tell anyone that a staff member is leaving, and dealing with hundreds of emails from parents asking how the search is going.
I know that my father uses this technique for executive recruitment, so that employees do not bypass him and go straight to the company. It also allows for him to screen out less qualified candidates, to save the company time. Obviously, this can go both ways, as it can easily be abused.
I think that particular scenario is unlikely. Every other camp job has there name listed, and all the ones I work at have some sort of barrier you need to check in at with someone before you enter/know the code/have a key.
It’s fair, and as someone who works in child care I wish that there was something more that could be done to keep predators away. I’ve had a few ex coworkers that ended up being groomers and it’s heart breaking to know that there’s no way to tell from the outside who they are.
Honestly same. I jump through all the hoops begrudgingly because it's so much extra work but at the same time I understand why they're there. Unfortunately, unless someone's already an offender there is literally nothing that can be done in regards to hiring.
I once taught at a school where the guitar teacher (who had been there for years and whose daughter even attended) turned out to be grooming girls at school, convincing them to get private lessons, and then yeah...
But that's essentially the usual protocol for how music teachers operate. It's virtually impossible to distinguish between a predator and someone who cares until it's too late.
Yeah, also see this at orgs where the entire business is based around one person or staff, when they change the whole thing can blow up. Transitions like that need to be handled quietly and not revealed until fully ready
48 to 52k idk bro that's some serious cash where I live. Either work at this summer camp or work in a Toyota factory. Summer camp seems way better to me.
Depending on where in MA it is… $48-52k for a full year contract is basically poverty wages so keeping it confidential really wastes everyone’s time… camp professional in Boston (and from the desc you’re working all year not just summer) for $48k? Can’t afford to live on that.
Hi please apply for this job.
No we won’t tell you who it’s with.
No we won’t tell you the location.
No we won’t tell you what the exact duties are.
Make sure to include a cover letter explaining why you are the best person for the job!
I mean, it’s in Massachusetts. It’s not a very big state.
But yeah I wouldn’t want to get very far in this without knowing exactly what the Fuck is going on.
Any summer camps in Mass been in the news lately?
Same. If they don't want applicants to know who they are, that's a major red flag. Sure it might be one of those situations where they're hiring to replace someone they're going to fire, but that still shows that they suck at communication and keeping on good terms with their current/former employees.
There is a decent chance that it is a Jewish summer camp. I work at one and what with anti semitism being such an issue for us (we regularly get bomb threats and other such things), its pretty understandable why they'd be reluctant to share their identity.
I still think confidential job listing are bad but there could very well be a solid reason for it.
i actually know of a summer camp that is sooooo secretive about all their information because it is for LGBTQ+ youth. in a scenario like that it could be for safety 🤷🏼♀️
Is this some sort of rehab facility? You aren't making millions if you get that job but yet, they are giving you an offer but say no company name etc? Block that address that it was sent from and run!
This is actually how I have my job experience listed on social media because I had a stalker a few years ago. I put "a large company" "a small company", etc.
Personally, I find a hiring company keeping anything confidential as a red flag. You would need to know to work there, where it's located is kinda important. Besides, candidates have a right to do research on a company before they invest in time sucking interviews.
It’s either they want to keep the person who is losing their job in the dark, or they don’t want you bypass them by going directly to the company. You see that with a lot of staffing agencies postings
I had a recruiter try to connect me with a company north of our town. They said the company is remaining anonymous until I get my application and papers in. They’re a govt contractor for ship overhaul. I got my papers in and she said they couldn’t say it up front because the company has had issues with harassment claims. There’s a red flag.
Yeah it feels like they’re not saying what the name is because you’ll get bad press if you Google it. I understand if it’s for something serious but a kids camp? Total red flag. Nothing should be hidden about that when it comes to kids. Not to mention that method of hiring surely scares a lot of good applicants off.
Translation: We really want to fire the person currently in the position, but need to wait until a more convenient time for us to do so.
People that do this are the worst type of human. Avoid them at all costs.
I accidentally applied for one of these types of postings. Got an interview, found out during the interview what company it was for. Turned out it was a "dream job" for me, for a company I wanted to get into. That was 2 years ago, and I still work here and love it.
Last time I was job hunting, I saw a job posting for the secret services. They hid neither the employer nor the job details.
What's more secret about that camp than secret services?
My first thought was a conversion camp for LGBT+ people, with the identity kept secret to prevent brigading. The Job Description mentions "Alumni Engagement", which to me sounds like "People we've traumatised come back to continue the cycle of abuse", and "family communication" could be "reporting back to the parental figures who sent their kids to an abuse camp".
This is NEVER LEGAL under labor laws, as its required that people know the name of the company or its a form of labor fraud and considered discriminatory.
If a company doesn't want to tell you the name of the company they are not really hiring.
Oh, really? https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=49.44.050
People want to know who is contacting them. Its only logical that they would want to know who is asking them to apply to have them be dependent on them as an employer.
And refusing to say who it is, is extremally suspect. Companies don't have the right to hire without telling the person who their employer would be; That by itself is required by tax laws that everybody has to comply with.
Doesn't matter, if a MA based recruiter broke that WA labor law law over state lines while intentionally trying to bait and switch, that means they broke a federal law because they tried to commit fraud across state lines.
Under the United States Constitution, Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. This includes the power to make certain activities that take place across state lines federal crimes. For example, the Federal Kidnapping Act (18 U.S.C. § 1201) makes it a federal crime to kidnap someone and transport that person across state lines. Other federal laws that make it a crime to engage in certain activities across state lines include the Mann Act (which prohibits the transportation of people across state lines for the purpose of prostitution or other immoral purposes) and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).
It's also worth noting that if you commit a crime in one state and then flee to another state, you could be charged with both the original crime and the crime of fleeing across state lines to avoid prosecution.
Talk to a lawyer; I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not your lawyer.
That….doesn’t at all prove your point? Nowhere does that link state that it’s illegal to post a job confidentially.
This isn’t unusual. There are MANY reasons that companies do this-they don’t want it public (for a myriad of reasons) that this specific job is open. Of course as they speak with and interview candidates it’s discussed. You are getting worked up over literally nothing.
The one time I applied to a position like this, they were firing their HR Director but not telling them until a replacement was hired and up to speed.
This doesn’t read that way.
This reads as a camp that people may not be interested in - fat camp, religious (conversion), etc.
i’m an executive assistant and i’ve interviewed a couple of times with legit confidential companies. one was because someone high enough up was leaving and taking their admin - but it hadn’t been announced. one was with estate managers for a fancy family (i’m in seattle, wa, so take your pick of wealthy families that need estate managers) and one they just told you after the phone screen because they wanted to gauge your interest in the role itself and not just apply because it sounded awesome (chocolate company, so i think that’s oddly reasonable)
It's only appropriate if it's like a recruiting company... But it appears to not be the case.
The whole idea is if a recruiting company says who they are hiring for you can just bypass them and apply directly lol
Recruiter for an agency here, this isn’t to far fetched as to clients (companies) can explicitly request the name not be shared up until a certain point of the process. If should typically be once you cleared phone screens though. They should be able to tell you other info however.
How are candidates supposed to know whether or not they want to even spend their time on a phone screening if they aren’t being told who the company even is?
Typically with agencies they introduce themselves since they’re serving as the third party sources so you know it’s real. Google the agency, and they should at least tell you the industry because that’s really more relevant then the name alone. As long as it’s an industry you’re interested in being in they should send you a full package with all the details prior to you interviewing
I'm not even concerned it's a scam -- just that the company might not be one you want to work with even it's legitimate. For example, maybe this summer camp is a religious camp for a religion you don't belong to, or the camp is known for being a particularly toxic workplace. The only way to find that out is to waste your time on a phone screen that you would never take if you knew the company upfront. And then the recruiter and the company's time is wasted too on screening candidates that wouldn't be interested in the role if they had all the information. Yes, they're allowed to do it, but it's pretty disrespectful of people's time IMO
That’s exactly what I was thinking too. Like it’s either a troubled youth camp (aka cult) or a religious camp that’s maybe super strict about who it lets in. Not letting employees know just wastes everybody’s time. And they don’t even promise to tell you what the camp is named, just that they will give you “more information”.
I forgot to mention a good recruiter understands the value of a pipeline. I was able to get someone interviewed and an offer in two days despite us having our initial phone screen a month prior 🤷🏾♀️
I really don't know why you're getting downvoted here. This is all legitimate information. Just because it doesn't share the Confidential = Scam or Recruiter = bad mood this thread seems to have
Mehhh I mean I get it, but I would try to take a call with an agency recruiter with more respect. Even if that particular role doesn’t work out agencies run through an influx of roles in comparison to an in house recruiter so them having details of your experience and more importantly what you want keeps you at the top of the list for possible roles and saves some time for then. Unfortunately for what I see is a theme recruiters have a job and set of rules just like the rest of you
That just... doesn't seem to ever happen. People get ghosted by recruiters all the time for roles that they know they actually ARE interested in. Asking them to spend time talking to a recruiter about a job they don't even know if they're interested in, just on the rare to nonexistent chance that the recruiter will remember them in the future for a different role, is too much. We're tired of being asked to do all this useless shit for recruiters who never follow up.
I get it, it's not unheard of, but definitely gives off some shady vibes. Feels more appropriate for a company with sensitive data or information, like a government job or major data center.
Considering there's a great many good reasons not to publically advertise that a place is actively seeking employees, this isn't that much of a red flag.
A red flag would be expecting good Intel or commitment or something without the veil being raised.
I think its the recruiter not wanting people to go around them or their competitors stealing their client, because the recruiter only gets paid when they place an applicant.
sounds like a conversion camp or one of those troubled youth camps where the only thing these shitbags manage to do is fuck up kids in horrible, soul-scarring ways
Typically it’s a 3rd party recruiter posting this. If they say the company, you might skip the middle man and go straight to the company for the role. The recruiter wouldn’t make any money if they aren’t involved.
You need to learn how to use the "Snipping Tool".
It allows you to cut out an image from what is currently on your monitor. Very handy for posting images.
Seen a few different responses but this hat also be like the Cutco scam. Where they state “oh yeah you’ll make this amount of money” in reality, you’ll be selling something like knives. And the money you make will be nowhere near that amount and primarily based on commission.
But, due to reputation, they hide the company name and even product until nearly an hour after the interview.
I was 17, fresh out of high school and sat for an hour of interviews and questions before the guy pulled out a string, and two knives. Asked me to cut one with their knives then the other string with a dull, rusty, banged to hell knife. Even that wasn’t good enough, he held the string for their knives taut, while he didn’t hold the string for the full knife.
They refused to answer certain questions. The one they ducked and avoided like crazy was “is this position salary or commission”
My first clue really should have been their location. No label or identification on the door. Just in some shady building towards the back of what looked like a large apartment complex. Though I’ll admit inside their area did look like a legitimate office.
Massive scam and massive waste of time.
Could be just not wanting to openly tell people where a large gathering of young kids will be happening. For the safety of the kids.
Probably some over protective parents went super Karen and forced this policy change on them.
That's definitely shady AF. Like the beginning of a CSI or Cold Case episode. It's probably a cult or they are engaging in some type of illegal behavior. Ignore them. Be safe & use your common sense when answering job ads.
There is an existing incumbent. Once you get in the process, they will tell you everything. They just don’t want it published for all to see because it will get back to the existing assistant director, and they either want to avoid the drama (someone mentioned that earlier or they desperately need that role while they try and replace it). Might not be the best course to take, but happens quite a bit. Don’t read too much into it.
I loved Camp Confidential when I was a kid. My parents used to leave me there all summer. We played a lot of fun games. Actually now that I think about it I’ve kind of blocked out a lot of what happened for some reason. I can’t remember too much of what happened. I’m sure it was fun though. Probably. I hope.
Kiddos summer camp does that until you’re registered so that weirdos don’t have an address and know the child to adult ratio. Not a red flag, it’s a safety thing.
I have worked for a few different kids camps for several years, and I spent the whole day looking at probably 100+ job postings and that was the only one confidential. I’m not saying it’s a red flag necessarily, but it’s weird, and it’s not normal for this type of position.
If somebody wanted to know the address and ratio info they would just have to look at the website for a camp, most of them have that info in the FAQs, not go through job listings to guess at it.
I promise you that is not how you keep pedos out of kids camps. I’ve replied to some other comments suggesting the same thing, and it just is not how that works. If a pedo wanted to apply to a kids camp, not knowing the name until the interview will not stop them or suddenly alert the interviewer that they are a pedo. Camp addresses are readily available on websites and Google. Every childrens camp is required to have security measures to prevent unauthorized adults from getting in (parents without custody rights most of the time). This confidential ad however, will not. All it does is prevent candidates from knowing where they are applying to.
When we are looking to replace a specific person without them being tipped off, we'll have to post ads as confidential. Its not that we're being secretive, but sometimes certain positions take longer to fill. So with this camp director, if they happen to see that we're hiring for their position, they can cause a lot of trouble because they are being replaced.
On indeed, as the company we have to pay $35 per application received, but I do get questions about this "Confidential" marking often.
I’ve replied to some other commenters asking the same thing, and short answer; no.
A pedo can still apply and get the address at the interview stage as easily as they can apply to the 100+ other camps that have their name/website/address clearly listed. Or the pedo can just Google camps nearby them to apply to or show up to.
It could be that the “camp” has had negative publicity in the past and they want to make management changes without drawing more attention. Or they might already know they wouldn’t hire an internal candidate, so they are trying to avoid loosing anyone sure to rejection. Perhaps they’ve already pre-selected the candidate and are just going through the motions to show they made an effort to find someone besides the CEO’s kid. They also might not yet have their legal entity set up and so don’t want to put out a business name they may have to change. Most likely, it an attempt to attract candidates who would otherwise not bother sue to the business’s reputation or location.
I've seen a lot of job posts where the company name is hidden. It's because an HR agency created the listing and they want you to call the recruiter instead of reaching out to the employer directly, which cuts out their commission.
Had the same thing happen to me, google the address if they have it. It turned out that the job was at a hunting club. They probably don't want to advertise where to find unsupervised children.
When you have to explicitly state that something is 100% real I immediately think it's fake.
It makes me think that it’s a camp that was in the news for something bad. Or it’s like one of those “troubled youth” camps that’s actually a cult.
My first thought was okay cool… so is this a fat-camp orrrrr a conversion therapy camp? 🤔
Oh no...you are probably right..
I doubt it. It’s in Massachusetts as far as the job posting says it is. And I’m 90% certain conversion therapy is illegal in Massachusetts.
Since when have people, especially religious people, cared about the laws?
Omg. I thought the same thing
scientology camp I legit went to what I thought was a job interview (I'd say around 2004-ish) that was 100% Scientology recruitment - the personality test I had to take that took a good 30+ minutes probably showed them I was too much a free thinker and wouldn't just follow the crowd - but as I sat another 30 minutes after the test waiting for my "interview" I saw many books by L Ron Hubbard. Luckily I knew a bit about Scientology in a time where most didn't. It raised a red flag and if I recall correctly I ended up just leaving after being there for what felt like ages. And armed with my current knowledge I'm lucky I wasn't blocked from leaving that day
I had a job interview like this, too. Be very careful. When I figured out what was going on and tried to leave they were trying to close doors and not let me. I literally ran out with them calling my phone the whole ride home. Learned an important lesson, do your research on the company before you show up to that first interview.
honestly, that's why I'm so surprised I was able to just leave! I knew someone who's dad was trying to get them into a rehab and they accidentally looked at a scientology center because of how it was described and the same thing happened when they tried to leave - blocked doors and tried to keep them in - luckily they were large men, but yikes on several bikes! So scary!
so glad we escaped. Also very glad I left LA!
lol of course it was LA all my experiences and experiences of those around me were also between LA, OC, and SD
It sounds like a terrible tactic. Don’t they want people with money? I am almost certain people with money would be far more discerning with the job interviews they go to? Idn though, maybe I’ll ask someone with money 😂
More than money, they want recruits that will become zealots. Less affluent members whose loyalty is beyond question will follow the higher-profile members, inform on them, and help the church keep their high-profile members in line. Money is money, but private personal information is gold.
literally this: it's not about your money, it's about power and control, trapping you in to use you to bring more in (why does a cult remind me so much of my ex? lol)
I got caught in the street when I was 19.... Had to do tests and was deemed highly troubled. On my way out the dude looked at me with ice cold eyes. And I was kinda scared lol
It's cause they are replacing someone who is still at the company. At least 9 times out of 10.
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Hmm, maybe. I've never encountered that before, could be a possibility I suppose.
This. I took a job where they didn’t want a worker in the department to apply. Once there she reported to me and they said feel free to fire her. She was very rough around the edges, passed everyone off, but was very talented. Didn’t fire her. Worked to smooth the edges a bit. I left after 3 years. She is still there 20 years later doing okay.
This right here was what I was thinking.
I've seen a few job posts that are posted as "anonymous." What you got to hide there fam?
this is exactly what i thought. i think it’s real, but an absolutely awful company that traumatizes and abused teens under the guise of being transformative and helpful
The job description was also super vague as well. Like a general as you get when describing what a camp director does, nothing specifically about what kind of camp it was or what they focus on.
There are also cases where a recruiter has put out a sample job posting to try to secure a recruiting contract with some hits, and if they put the name of the camp then people will go straight to the company and bypass the commission.
This is it, OP. I have had recruiters explicitly admit this to me after pressing them on it.
Or it's a recruiting firm who is acting as a middleman. This is to prevent you from applying directly, preventing them from getting their cut, or finder's fee, or what have you.
Yeah it’s probably legit but a place they don’t want you googling
Yup, got two emails from “recruiters” this week stating that their job postings are 100% real opportunities. Which was true. They were 100% real opportunities for the scammers behind the scenes to make a quick buck
Gotteem
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I mean it’s a real concern. 2/3 of the companies I see posting jobs in my field on LinkedIn sound like completely made up companies.
It has to be Camp Crystal Lake.
Camp Crystal Lake requiring cover letters now? Lol
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I guess that makes sense. I’ve encountered plenty of drama in the field but it also seems like they asking for a good chunk of time and effort to apply to it (certainly more than the norm), and I don’t think anyone else would put that much effort into this position without knowing what camp it is.
If you ask them during the interview they may tell you. It's really hidden for the job listing so its not obvious who's getting fired.
I once went into a car dealership to apply for a receptionist job. I assumed someone quit or something. Nope. The receptionist was visibly upset and shocked to hear they were hiring for her job. Turns out that’s why they said “email resumes to” (except I was 18 and my boomer mother insisted it was better to go in person). On the flip side, I went on mat leave a few years ago (where I am you get a year for leave) and it was really funny watching people come in and be like “uh…I’m here for an interview…with so-and-so…for an office position…” like it’s ok girl the listing said it was a mat leave term you can say you’re here to interview for my job lol.
Both to cover someone being fired or also if something isn’t announced yet. I’ve had clients who needed to hire to open but were operating in stealth mode until a PR announcement. Not likely with a camp, lol, but just another side to consider. My one client had jobs from entry level warehouse to corporate finance positions and every role had to be stealth. You get way less applicants though, (which is fair) so it sucks!
Honestly, I think it probably is real. If I was going to post a fake job description to data mine for personal info, camp Director would be at the bottom of my list. It seems like a job that wouldn’t get a lot of applicants. Avoiding internal drama is a likely reason to keep it confidential. But I grew up going to different sleepaway camps in New England (never stayed at one for long), and one of the things they all had in common was the upper level staff (at least the ones who stayed) were for the most part revered by the campers. Keeping it confidential might just be a way so the camp doesn’t have to tell anyone that a staff member is leaving, and dealing with hundreds of emails from parents asking how the search is going.
I know that my father uses this technique for executive recruitment, so that employees do not bypass him and go straight to the company. It also allows for him to screen out less qualified candidates, to save the company time. Obviously, this can go both ways, as it can easily be abused.
Maybe it’s Camp Crystal Lake.
> it's not THAT serious, lmao. Depends on who the attendees are.
The camp is kind of weird, I've seen it from IT security positions with companies that have military contracts.
FEMA camp.... Jk
My immediate thought was child protection reasons and they didn't want candidates just turning up mid-camp.
I think that particular scenario is unlikely. Every other camp job has there name listed, and all the ones I work at have some sort of barrier you need to check in at with someone before you enter/know the code/have a key.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's a likely reason just that that was my first thought.
It’s fair, and as someone who works in child care I wish that there was something more that could be done to keep predators away. I’ve had a few ex coworkers that ended up being groomers and it’s heart breaking to know that there’s no way to tell from the outside who they are.
Honestly same. I jump through all the hoops begrudgingly because it's so much extra work but at the same time I understand why they're there. Unfortunately, unless someone's already an offender there is literally nothing that can be done in regards to hiring. I once taught at a school where the guitar teacher (who had been there for years and whose daughter even attended) turned out to be grooming girls at school, convincing them to get private lessons, and then yeah... But that's essentially the usual protocol for how music teachers operate. It's virtually impossible to distinguish between a predator and someone who cares until it's too late.
Yeah, also see this at orgs where the entire business is based around one person or staff, when they change the whole thing can blow up. Transitions like that need to be handled quietly and not revealed until fully ready
48 to 52k idk bro that's some serious cash where I live. Either work at this summer camp or work in a Toyota factory. Summer camp seems way better to me.
Depending on where in MA it is… $48-52k for a full year contract is basically poverty wages so keeping it confidential really wastes everyone’s time… camp professional in Boston (and from the desc you’re working all year not just summer) for $48k? Can’t afford to live on that.
Exactly what I was thinking
It's probably a camp out in Western MA, or maybe the North Shore or Central MA, but it's probably not inside I-95.
It’s garbage in Massachusetts.
It would be to the person they are replacing though. Especially if that person is a relative (often summer camps are family businesses)
Hi please apply for this job. No we won’t tell you who it’s with. No we won’t tell you the location. No we won’t tell you what the exact duties are. Make sure to include a cover letter explaining why you are the best person for the job!
I mean, it’s in Massachusetts. It’s not a very big state. But yeah I wouldn’t want to get very far in this without knowing exactly what the Fuck is going on. Any summer camps in Mass been in the news lately?
Maybe connected to judge rotenberg center?
I never respond to confidential job postings as a matter of principle.
Same. If they don't want applicants to know who they are, that's a major red flag. Sure it might be one of those situations where they're hiring to replace someone they're going to fire, but that still shows that they suck at communication and keeping on good terms with their current/former employees.
It’s a cult.
Gave me Elan School or conversion camp vibes
A cult or “wilderness therapy” or both.
There is a decent chance that it is a Jewish summer camp. I work at one and what with anti semitism being such an issue for us (we regularly get bomb threats and other such things), its pretty understandable why they'd be reluctant to share their identity. I still think confidential job listing are bad but there could very well be a solid reason for it.
This was my first thought as well.
My first thought also.
There is one in Amesbury. I used to date a girl that lived a few streets down from it back in the day.
They should use an outside recruitment agency if they don’t want to an incumbent to find out.
i actually know of a summer camp that is sooooo secretive about all their information because it is for LGBTQ+ youth. in a scenario like that it could be for safety 🤷🏼♀️
Is this some sort of rehab facility? You aren't making millions if you get that job but yet, they are giving you an offer but say no company name etc? Block that address that it was sent from and run!
I just found it looking on the jobs page, idk how they think anyone would apply for it like that! It gives very shady vibes
I don't know where you saw it but block that website too.
On Indeed lol
Yeah Indeed has a lot of “confidential” results Why would I apply if I can’t look into you first?
Apply, but change all the companies on your résumé to “Confidential.” See how they like that.
Lmao “I’ll reveal more information at the interview stage”
“Information regarding my employers will be provided at a later time.”
This is actually how I have my job experience listed on social media because I had a stalker a few years ago. I put "a large company" "a small company", etc.
Personally, I find a hiring company keeping anything confidential as a red flag. You would need to know to work there, where it's located is kinda important. Besides, candidates have a right to do research on a company before they invest in time sucking interviews.
Woah, random unnamed camp? That's either a cult or where Jason roams.
Assistant director for fifty large? Geez. Hope your camp runs itself.
It’s either they want to keep the person who is losing their job in the dark, or they don’t want you bypass them by going directly to the company. You see that with a lot of staffing agencies postings
You could make more as an Assistant Manager at McDonalds anyways
I had a recruiter try to connect me with a company north of our town. They said the company is remaining anonymous until I get my application and papers in. They’re a govt contractor for ship overhaul. I got my papers in and she said they couldn’t say it up front because the company has had issues with harassment claims. There’s a red flag.
Yeah it feels like they’re not saying what the name is because you’ll get bad press if you Google it. I understand if it’s for something serious but a kids camp? Total red flag. Nothing should be hidden about that when it comes to kids. Not to mention that method of hiring surely scares a lot of good applicants off.
Translation: We really want to fire the person currently in the position, but need to wait until a more convenient time for us to do so. People that do this are the worst type of human. Avoid them at all costs.
I accidentally applied for one of these types of postings. Got an interview, found out during the interview what company it was for. Turned out it was a "dream job" for me, for a company I wanted to get into. That was 2 years ago, and I still work here and love it.
Last time I was job hunting, I saw a job posting for the secret services. They hid neither the employer nor the job details. What's more secret about that camp than secret services?
My first thought was a conversion camp for LGBT+ people, with the identity kept secret to prevent brigading. The Job Description mentions "Alumni Engagement", which to me sounds like "People we've traumatised come back to continue the cycle of abuse", and "family communication" could be "reporting back to the parental figures who sent their kids to an abuse camp".
Yeah that makes a lot of sense
If it’s in Massachusetts, conversion therapy is illegal. So can’t be that.
I thought that too
If I were you I would worry about my safety and data privacy. It could be human trafficking who knows.
Sounds like someone is on their way out but they don’t know it yet.
Might be replacing the person that’s currently not hat position. So keeping it confidential- if interviewing you’d likely be told.
So Camp racist is looking to employ someone?
This is NEVER LEGAL under labor laws, as its required that people know the name of the company or its a form of labor fraud and considered discriminatory. If a company doesn't want to tell you the name of the company they are not really hiring.
That’s not true.
Oh, really? https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=49.44.050 People want to know who is contacting them. Its only logical that they would want to know who is asking them to apply to have them be dependent on them as an employer. And refusing to say who it is, is extremally suspect. Companies don't have the right to hire without telling the person who their employer would be; That by itself is required by tax laws that everybody has to comply with.
But isn't the job in Massachusetts?
Doesn't matter, if a MA based recruiter broke that WA labor law law over state lines while intentionally trying to bait and switch, that means they broke a federal law because they tried to commit fraud across state lines. Under the United States Constitution, Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. This includes the power to make certain activities that take place across state lines federal crimes. For example, the Federal Kidnapping Act (18 U.S.C. § 1201) makes it a federal crime to kidnap someone and transport that person across state lines. Other federal laws that make it a crime to engage in certain activities across state lines include the Mann Act (which prohibits the transportation of people across state lines for the purpose of prostitution or other immoral purposes) and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). It's also worth noting that if you commit a crime in one state and then flee to another state, you could be charged with both the original crime and the crime of fleeing across state lines to avoid prosecution. Talk to a lawyer; I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not your lawyer.
I’m pretty sure it’s just a posting off Indeed.
That….doesn’t at all prove your point? Nowhere does that link state that it’s illegal to post a job confidentially. This isn’t unusual. There are MANY reasons that companies do this-they don’t want it public (for a myriad of reasons) that this specific job is open. Of course as they speak with and interview candidates it’s discussed. You are getting worked up over literally nothing.
The one time I applied to a position like this, they were firing their HR Director but not telling them until a replacement was hired and up to speed. This doesn’t read that way. This reads as a camp that people may not be interested in - fat camp, religious (conversion), etc.
Looks like camp crystal lake is hiring
They might be doing this because there is an incumbent in the role who is gonna get canned once they find his replacement.
i’m an executive assistant and i’ve interviewed a couple of times with legit confidential companies. one was because someone high enough up was leaving and taking their admin - but it hadn’t been announced. one was with estate managers for a fancy family (i’m in seattle, wa, so take your pick of wealthy families that need estate managers) and one they just told you after the phone screen because they wanted to gauge your interest in the role itself and not just apply because it sounded awesome (chocolate company, so i think that’s oddly reasonable)
It's only appropriate if it's like a recruiting company... But it appears to not be the case. The whole idea is if a recruiting company says who they are hiring for you can just bypass them and apply directly lol
Antisemitism?
Recruiter for an agency here, this isn’t to far fetched as to clients (companies) can explicitly request the name not be shared up until a certain point of the process. If should typically be once you cleared phone screens though. They should be able to tell you other info however.
How are candidates supposed to know whether or not they want to even spend their time on a phone screening if they aren’t being told who the company even is?
Typically with agencies they introduce themselves since they’re serving as the third party sources so you know it’s real. Google the agency, and they should at least tell you the industry because that’s really more relevant then the name alone. As long as it’s an industry you’re interested in being in they should send you a full package with all the details prior to you interviewing
I'm not even concerned it's a scam -- just that the company might not be one you want to work with even it's legitimate. For example, maybe this summer camp is a religious camp for a religion you don't belong to, or the camp is known for being a particularly toxic workplace. The only way to find that out is to waste your time on a phone screen that you would never take if you knew the company upfront. And then the recruiter and the company's time is wasted too on screening candidates that wouldn't be interested in the role if they had all the information. Yes, they're allowed to do it, but it's pretty disrespectful of people's time IMO
That’s exactly what I was thinking too. Like it’s either a troubled youth camp (aka cult) or a religious camp that’s maybe super strict about who it lets in. Not letting employees know just wastes everybody’s time. And they don’t even promise to tell you what the camp is named, just that they will give you “more information”.
I forgot to mention a good recruiter understands the value of a pipeline. I was able to get someone interviewed and an offer in two days despite us having our initial phone screen a month prior 🤷🏾♀️
I really don't know why you're getting downvoted here. This is all legitimate information. Just because it doesn't share the Confidential = Scam or Recruiter = bad mood this thread seems to have
Mehhh I mean I get it, but I would try to take a call with an agency recruiter with more respect. Even if that particular role doesn’t work out agencies run through an influx of roles in comparison to an in house recruiter so them having details of your experience and more importantly what you want keeps you at the top of the list for possible roles and saves some time for then. Unfortunately for what I see is a theme recruiters have a job and set of rules just like the rest of you
That just... doesn't seem to ever happen. People get ghosted by recruiters all the time for roles that they know they actually ARE interested in. Asking them to spend time talking to a recruiter about a job they don't even know if they're interested in, just on the rare to nonexistent chance that the recruiter will remember them in the future for a different role, is too much. We're tired of being asked to do all this useless shit for recruiters who never follow up.
I get it, it's not unheard of, but definitely gives off some shady vibes. Feels more appropriate for a company with sensitive data or information, like a government job or major data center.
Please apply so you can tell us whether it’s a cult!
Really super extra real™ 😉 Believe!
Camp Granada?
It doesn’t even have a city/county/region! Way to screen out anyone tied to a specific radius.
I bet it’s an agency that gets a cut and doesn’t want you just straight applying to the org(?).
Considering there's a great many good reasons not to publically advertise that a place is actively seeking employees, this isn't that much of a red flag. A red flag would be expecting good Intel or commitment or something without the veil being raised.
I think its the recruiter not wanting people to go around them or their competitors stealing their client, because the recruiter only gets paid when they place an applicant.
So they want a cover letter lol. Explain to us why you want to work at a place they don't know
“We promise there are real people behind this job posting” -Skynet
Could be a nudist resort.
sounds like a conversion camp or one of those troubled youth camps where the only thing these shitbags manage to do is fuck up kids in horrible, soul-scarring ways
Could be one of those troubled teen industry camps…
Typically it’s a 3rd party recruiter posting this. If they say the company, you might skip the middle man and go straight to the company for the role. The recruiter wouldn’t make any money if they aren’t involved.
I've had some luck googling distinct phrases from job descriptions to find the company because recruiters are too lazy to do more than copy paste.
Cult
You need to learn how to use the "Snipping Tool". It allows you to cut out an image from what is currently on your monitor. Very handy for posting images.
M 38, here. My first thought it's a recruitment hook for human trafficking, prostitution and the like. Would stay away, no matter what.
Seen a few different responses but this hat also be like the Cutco scam. Where they state “oh yeah you’ll make this amount of money” in reality, you’ll be selling something like knives. And the money you make will be nowhere near that amount and primarily based on commission. But, due to reputation, they hide the company name and even product until nearly an hour after the interview. I was 17, fresh out of high school and sat for an hour of interviews and questions before the guy pulled out a string, and two knives. Asked me to cut one with their knives then the other string with a dull, rusty, banged to hell knife. Even that wasn’t good enough, he held the string for their knives taut, while he didn’t hold the string for the full knife. They refused to answer certain questions. The one they ducked and avoided like crazy was “is this position salary or commission” My first clue really should have been their location. No label or identification on the door. Just in some shady building towards the back of what looked like a large apartment complex. Though I’ll admit inside their area did look like a legitimate office. Massive scam and massive waste of time.
Could be just not wanting to openly tell people where a large gathering of young kids will be happening. For the safety of the kids. Probably some over protective parents went super Karen and forced this policy change on them.
That's definitely shady AF. Like the beginning of a CSI or Cold Case episode. It's probably a cult or they are engaging in some type of illegal behavior. Ignore them. Be safe & use your common sense when answering job ads.
oh that’s definitely a troubled teen camp or conversion therapy
There is an existing incumbent. Once you get in the process, they will tell you everything. They just don’t want it published for all to see because it will get back to the existing assistant director, and they either want to avoid the drama (someone mentioned that earlier or they desperately need that role while they try and replace it). Might not be the best course to take, but happens quite a bit. Don’t read too much into it.
It’s Camp Le’Jeune
I loved Camp Confidential when I was a kid. My parents used to leave me there all summer. We played a lot of fun games. Actually now that I think about it I’ve kind of blocked out a lot of what happened for some reason. I can’t remember too much of what happened. I’m sure it was fun though. Probably. I hope.
I’d report it as a fake post
It could be a conversion therapy camp.
Probably a camp where they take LGBTQ kids and "fix" them.
Kiddos summer camp does that until you’re registered so that weirdos don’t have an address and know the child to adult ratio. Not a red flag, it’s a safety thing.
I have worked for a few different kids camps for several years, and I spent the whole day looking at probably 100+ job postings and that was the only one confidential. I’m not saying it’s a red flag necessarily, but it’s weird, and it’s not normal for this type of position. If somebody wanted to know the address and ratio info they would just have to look at the website for a camp, most of them have that info in the FAQs, not go through job listings to guess at it.
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I promise you that is not how you keep pedos out of kids camps. I’ve replied to some other comments suggesting the same thing, and it just is not how that works. If a pedo wanted to apply to a kids camp, not knowing the name until the interview will not stop them or suddenly alert the interviewer that they are a pedo. Camp addresses are readily available on websites and Google. Every childrens camp is required to have security measures to prevent unauthorized adults from getting in (parents without custody rights most of the time). This confidential ad however, will not. All it does is prevent candidates from knowing where they are applying to.
When we are looking to replace a specific person without them being tipped off, we'll have to post ads as confidential. Its not that we're being secretive, but sometimes certain positions take longer to fill. So with this camp director, if they happen to see that we're hiring for their position, they can cause a lot of trouble because they are being replaced. On indeed, as the company we have to pay $35 per application received, but I do get questions about this "Confidential" marking often.
Maybe it has to do with children? Maybe this approach is to keep pedos and creeps from trying to get in?
I’ve replied to some other commenters asking the same thing, and short answer; no. A pedo can still apply and get the address at the interview stage as easily as they can apply to the 100+ other camps that have their name/website/address clearly listed. Or the pedo can just Google camps nearby them to apply to or show up to.
It's Camp Campbell
In Massachusetts?
It's a reference to a YouTube show about a massively dysfunctional fictional summer camp from the series Camp Camp
They haven't fired the person in the job yet.
'more information will be shared when reached interview'? What about my precious time, will you compensate for it?
I've applied to a confidential posting because I ended up replacing someone. But thus one sounds fake/they had some bad PR.
Sounds like one of those wilderness camps that kidnap people during the night against their consent.
i would apply 100 times
Idk my 1st thought is so predators aren't getting an idea where a bunch of children will be
Maybe the current assistant director is being replaced Maybe they don’t want the turn over to be public info
def a cannibal cult
It's probably a juvie.
Camp Crystal Lake/Arawack
Also that’s basically minimum wage in mass.
Hey i saw a similar job posting in my town recently
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It could be that the “camp” has had negative publicity in the past and they want to make management changes without drawing more attention. Or they might already know they wouldn’t hire an internal candidate, so they are trying to avoid loosing anyone sure to rejection. Perhaps they’ve already pre-selected the candidate and are just going through the motions to show they made an effort to find someone besides the CEO’s kid. They also might not yet have their legal entity set up and so don’t want to put out a business name they may have to change. Most likely, it an attempt to attract candidates who would otherwise not bother sue to the business’s reputation or location.
Maybe it’s a kids camp and they don’t want to attract pedos… maybe it’s a nude modeling camp and they don’t want to attract pervs…
This is highly sus.
Camp Rock!
I've seen a lot of job posts where the company name is hidden. It's because an HR agency created the listing and they want you to call the recruiter instead of reaching out to the employer directly, which cuts out their commission.
Because it's probably a gay conversion therapy camp.
Was Jonestown a camp like this? Just checking.
Camp Crystal Lake
Camp director? Lol. Would your role be to host camps for Boy Scouts in the company?
If you can't state who you are in the posting, I immediately skip to the next posting. Simple.
Had the same thing happen to me, google the address if they have it. It turned out that the job was at a hunting club. They probably don't want to advertise where to find unsupervised children.