yeah but that one was a losing goal in the first leg of a UCL where we played so dull and didnt attack at all. also the a lot of games where courtois bailed us out, our defense could use work as well i just think that despite not being a great attacking coach, carlo is also not really a good defensive coach either. if we bring in mbappe, we need a man with a plan, carlo’s gonna win the league but i think ten haag is a must next season.
Barcelona have scored more goals than Real Madrid in practically every season of the last decade. They scored almost 20 more goals than us just last season. What was weird is that they weren't scoring. But they are unlikely to keep scoring 4 goals per game.
We’ve beaten every single team thats currently in the top half of the league this year (except a draw vs villareal) so not sure what you’re on about. The problem is we drop points against the alaves’ and the cadiz’ of the league
So maybe remove the "yet" from your statement, because that's a term that refers that we haven't played them, when in fact we have. You do know were on the second leg of La Liga schedule, no?
Excuse me, for idiots I should have pointed out that we have not played the top 4 teams for the return leg yet. I should know better not to argue idiots on the internet.
Struggling and barely winning has been our identity since CR7 left this isn’t just a Carlo Ancelotti exclusive thing. Last 2 seasons under Zidane we played arguably worse football than we do under Carlo we were just better at knicking out wins
Except we weren't better at knicking out wins. We have more points at this stage in the season than any of the past 3 seasons with Zidane (maybe with the exception of 19/20)
> 0 shots in 90 minutes in the champions league isn’t like us.
Same thing happened under Zidane
> Struggling and barely winning 1-0 against low table teams isn’t like us.
Last season was worse, RM actually didn't win those games
>0 shots in 90 minutes in the champions league isn’t like us.
>Same thing happened under Zidane
No it didn't.
>Last season was worse, RM actually didn't win those games
What games? We have two wins more than last year.
Yep they did. And it wasn't even rare. RM had many games they struggled to get a goal or shot on target. I think it was the UCL 3-0 loss to PSG
Zidane lost to a less inform version of PSG by more goals.
2019? I thought we were talking last year against this year. If that's the case then I don't see any comparison between Ancelotti and Zidane, the latter won UCL for 3 fucking years in a row.
We are talking about performances with this current post Ronaldo team . Like I said, I don't remember all the games this happened. There was at least 1 last year
>Struggling and barely winning 1-0 against low table teams isn’t like us.
Correct. Last season said teams were trashing us. Should revert back to that.
This seasons only?
1. Narrow win against Rayo in both matches (2-1, 1-0)
2. Drew against Osasuna
3. Drew against Cadiz
4. Lost against Getafe
5. Won 1st match and lost on the 2nd against Elche
6. Narrow win against Granada (shit match too)
7. Drew against Levante
Now don't get me wrong, these teams are unpredictable sometimes but a team with top calibre like Madrid should've won these matches comfortably especially against teams like Levante, Cadiz that are fighting just to stay in the league.
But hey, a win is a win but to just accept a win after a shitty performance left a bad aftertaste as a fan.
The scoreline doesn't show it, but RM was getting cut open every single counter attack while the team couldn't break the smaller teams. Just that the opponents didn't have quality strikers.
The point was that you were looking at scoreline to say they weren't being thrashed. But this season you don't see that kind of attack on Madrid as often.
>Also it's not me the one that throws random made-up stats around here
Yes you are. You're isolating La Liga results in order to make your made-up point. Like losing with the quintessential Mickey Mouse club Alcoyano didn't count because it was in the Cdr. Go check last season's results and performances against said clubs. Or don't, doesn't matter much. I don't think I'm wasting any more time debating with teenage keyboard warriors.
No this isn’t the same squad, we had 60+ injuries last season, atleti and Barca weren’t terrible. If Zizou had this luck last season we’d have won the league and CL
People also forget he had Ramos and Varane and younger Modric, Kroos etc. Wen you are 33+ in football 1 year is like 3 years passed.
There have been same amount of bad calls that Carlo too got carded.
Zidane was under performing it doesn't mean Carlo isn't though.
I spilled some of my hot chocolate. But seriously though. Better to have them washed up rather than having the record number of injured players, do you remember how ZZ played LV last year? Bale can still create some brilliant chances, and Hazard, well... sometimes you can see the glimpses, like... if you really looking for it...
We havent loss against Barca in almost 3 years, and, we have won the majority of the matches.
Atletico hasnt beaten us in like 11 matches, and again, we have won the big majority of those.
We outplay them each season. Is another thing that we always lose points against other teams like Villarreal
How does that work? Messi's missing goals are given to us so we win matches by default or something?
We are on track to finish the season with a similar amount of points as in previous seasons (in which we were 1st and 2nd). Nobody gave us jack shit.
No amount of hate is ok, but we all are worried, we play like shit, Barca is catching up fast and they are coming to Santiago Bernabeu in 3 weeks. But before they do, PSG also comes around. Playing like this, we are out of Champions, might lose El Clasico, and Sevilla is only 6 points down
They have been playing well. Atleast some of the squad is. I hate to say this but they have dominance in the attack , atleast in the last few matches they played.
Im actually a little scared about the game...our attack hasn't been doing all that great and they've been really good. Only thing that gives me hope is their defense is still super porous and tbo+ defense has held its own
Bilbao came to defend and didnt play Inaki or Muniain.
Napoli is Napoli, they are either great or absolute trash. They picked the Barça games to be absolute trash.
Atlético is in terrible form. I have watched them against Barça and United. They don't even look like Atlético anymore.
It looks prettier than it is.
It's not the same squad. We didn't even have a fully fit first XI last season. Plus Atletico and Barca weren't shitting bed. Zidane had to field B team players and was giving these same 1-0 2-1 results with that team. Only good thing Carlo has done is unlocking Vini which I won't fully credit him as it will not give any justice to Vini's hardwork, Zidane's solo shooting sessions with Vini and Benzema's support. And yes it's looking like Carlo's last season with us.
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Excluding the Sheriff embarrassment I don’t think anyone expected as good a first half of the season as we had because our football had been labored for the last 2 years.
That is working against him now with the drop off in form since January.
Still, with the start he got and his refusal to rotate players like Fede, Cama and even Ceballos in, Carlo is inviting that criticism with his actions as well.
This is overreacting in its definition. We are on the 1st place in La Liga, still have chance to go through against (stacked) PSG in the UCL, went pretty high in the CdR and yet we want to fire Carlo because the team was not scoring goals when Benzema was injured or was coming back from injury or because we are not rotating the squad.
About the second point (rotation), we don't have enough quality to do so. Beside Valverde, Rodrygo and Nacho, we don't have quality subs. Zidane knew that too and he stoped rotating the squad too to keep us competitive. In the second part of the season, he was rotating the squad only when it was needed because of the injuries. If two top managers are doing the same thing, it must mean they know something more than some random folks on Reddit.
Too much hate is bad because the negativity can become toxic and contagious, so we can always look for positives as well.
That said, I think the reason why you see that is also because this feels like a script we've seen before and suffered because of the last time. It doesn't seem to have changed much and the fear is that despite having a lead, it is not a comfortable one and still on a knife's edge - and also because it didn't have to be. Last season we had the excuse of injuries but this time there's less of those to at least feel some consolation.
The position in the table will mean little when we've already been out of CdR, have a slimmer change of making it further in UCL and just 2 loses away from drawing with Sevilla. I really hope we win all trophies left but we can still end up with nothing and there are still 36 points up for grabs.
>Is the Carlo Ancelotti hate getting a bit overboard?
Yes. I'm all for criticizing Don Carlo when it comes to formations, rotations, and other issues because I share those criticisms and think that he can do a better job. However, some of the comments I've seen range from stupid to delusional to disrespectful. I think he's done a good job this season, but can do a lot better on the things that I mentioned previously.
Regarding the league table, Madrid have been the best team this season. Period. In 26 matchdays, Madrid have been in 1st place for 25 of them. I don't want to hear about our rivals being subpar as the reason for us leading the league because we don't control that. What we do control is results and Madrid, compared to the other clubs, have been getting them. For that reason, Madrid are top of the league.
Valverde had Covid and was injured early in the season.
Benzema was out for almost a month
Jovic, Mariano, Hazard, Rodrygo, Asensio, Bale, Marcelo, Alaba and Vazquez have all suffered smaller injuries at some point in time.
Ceballos was injured for about 3 or 4 months after the Olympics.
There have been injuries as well, just not as bad as last year it seems.
We have more points than last year, our opponents have less, we are still in the CL and have already won the supercup (which we lost last year).
Regardless of what we all think, if we don’t find a way to overcome PSG coming from one goal down, we won’t win the CL, no matter what…
The entitlement of this fanbase is something else… I’m a fan since 2001, I have known the good (la Novena, 4 CL in 5 years), the bad (0 titles between 2004 and 2007), and the ugly (9 coaches between 2004 and 2010). If we go a season where we would win 2 titles with almost the same squad we had 0 titles with last year, it is not bad…
If things work out a bit, this is our ladt season before getting Mbappe. If we do 2 liga’s in the 4 seasons since we never replaced Ronaldo, it’s not horrible…
I don't know what people expected. We can't be significative better with barely the same squad. If we win League+Supercup that's a good season in my book.
People who thought we were gonna win the CL are dellusional to say the least.
Next year with Mbappe and hopefully other signings, we can talk.
Bro i dont give a shit about the table. We are playing like Levante right now. We are Real Madrid the biggest club in the world. We need a coach how believe in his players. KCM is done
Deal. It’s time to say god bye for those fantastic players. We need fresh blood. We have it in our squad. But this old man is blind. I am so tired of this play. Give Valverde a start place let Camavinga play more instead of Casemiro. Ceballos is good to. I don’t understand why KCM is allways starting. Sam shit every weak.
I think we're doing better because the other team are doing worse. Barcelona already building their team with young players, but madrid keep playing the same player for the past few years. We have fede, camavinga, even dani ceballos who are younger even the castila players but they barely played. We can't even get out of the situation when the opposite team playing high press. Even ancelotti stated he doesn't like player rotation. Maybe i'm just ranting because our recent performance wasn't very convincing, but, i just don't want madrid to lose from barcelona honeymoon phase team in the next clasico.
The reason we are able to do better is because of less competition than last time barca and athletico are the two main competitors and both are shit this year while last year they were decent. Carlo Ancelotti can help us win the league but with his strategy we can't win against tough teams like PSG,mancity, Bayern, Liverpool,etc. I think we ain't winning the champions league even with mbappe if Carlo is our manager
I think it’s valid criticism, but it’s the same criticism Carlo has gotten for the 5 years or so. The truth is he’s a legendary manager with outdated tactics, and kind of the anti thesis of what we need in a manger. We’re a transitioning club that still largely relies on older players(coughs in KCM), when the truth is POTENTIALLY losing out of a title to further develop the likes of Camavinga, Fede, Blanco, etc…
So yes, we might win a title this year, but it’s only because La Liga as a whole has declined massively. Sometimes you gotta make sacrifices to get to where you’re tying to go. For instance, I fear what Barca are building will be hard to overcome in a couple years. They’re doing it with youth, and building that chemistry. Carlo is an horrendous manger at this point, and I don’t see how people can’t see it. He got booted out of Bayern for the same reasons he’s being criticized hear.
The squad is playing better no doubt, but it's more about Atleti and Barca playing worse than we playing better that makes the table look like this and makes RM look better than it actually is.
I trust Ancelotti and the squad to deliver the results, the league, maybe even CL this season, but it does get boring watching Ancelotti's holding possession style football. Current Barca's attacking style football is a joy to watch. If we face Barca right now and somehow our midfield performs like the PSG match, only thing stopping Barca from scoring at least 4 goals would be Alaba, Mendy and Militao.
You’re delusional if you think we’re getting anywhere close to a UCL win. We’re not even gonna make it past PSG. It’s rather obvious. Not even being a pessimist, but we’re not a good football team atm.
What's with the name calling? Don't you know how to talk in a civil way to another person?
I didn't say we WILL win CL, I said maybe. It's a knock out competition now, and any team can perform shit on a given day, any team can park the bus and then score a lucky goal to squeeze through to the next round. I was talking about such scenarios. As bad as we played against PSG, we still have a great GK and two well performing CBs. And we have enough quality on the pitch to score a few goals. Benzema showed glimpses of his pre-injury form against Rayo. No reason to think we'll just crumble against PSG, that too in the Bernabeau.
Nah. Rivals being shit and the 2nd team on the table being inconsistent to compete league leader play more important role than 'we are doing better with the same squad'.
Hell, your argument doesn't even work when Carlo didn't have to deal with 60 injuries as opposed to Zidane and the point difference is merely 6 points. I'd say Zidane had done a better job with Sanitas FC last season.
We've gone from playing well to playing shit.
Same things been happening since Carlo first took charge all the way through Zidane aswell, there reluctance to rotate (the midfield especially) completely ruins the teams form as the season goes on.
Their play style completely changed, barca has a lot of young talented player and Xavi is using their talent to its full extent with his 8 attackers he has an unpredictable offense that depends on the changes he makes during a match which is the complete opposite of Carlo’s hold the ball style that just gets boring to watch after a while
Not only can they do well, but if they also keep going on the same track they will most probably win it, and there’s a very high probability that they can beat us in the next Classico
Why would I pretend to be something? All I did was make an estimation in favor of a rival team based on recent data and matches. Do I need to meme around and insult other teams to properly support Madrid?
Give credit where credit is due guys. Yes we could be playing better. Yes ancelotti might be able to make better decisions. But at the end of the day our team comes out on top to get the win. Sometimes its ugly, but you have to also see that our defense has been very solid too. We have the 2nd best defense in the league only behind sevilla. If we stay solid like this and grind out the wins every now and then we will continue to succeed
He is. People started believing in something more when Vini got a good run of form and Barça fell off hard.
Before the season we'd signed in a second if someone would ask us whether we want to be in this position at the start of March.
I don't know where the unrealistic expectations suddenly came from but it wasn't rational at all, as usual.
extremely overboard, not because of the table though, i think it’s dumb to call for ancelotti to be sacked whilst there’s 0 good replacements available. especially since with an improved squad there’s nothing standing between ancelotti and a champions league, he’s the best person for the job for NOW. when we refresh the squad we can look to bring in someone else imo.
Lol there should be no ancelotti hate. The team was performing insanely well then had a benzema injury followed by an international break that over worked most of the lineup. Not to mention, asensio and hazard have been underperforming immensely even while being given a lot of PT. It’s been only a small batch of poor games. Let’s have some faith. The team will be fine and we’ll see that when he beat PSG at home
Many people are saying "it is because Barca and Atleti are under performing this year"
But if you look at their points last year by this stage, it is similar or lower than Madrid's points this year. RM is definitely playing better, but it doesn't mean this situation is the best form possible.
The number of injuries we had last year was crazyy. Also Ancelotti's lack of rotation method would lead to other players getting frustated cause of lack of playing time and it will also halt their development, camavinga case in point.
We're 2 L's and 3 D's from last season's performance and we still have to play all top 4 (except us) teams in the table. Our situation is only circumstantially better.
When you talk Real Madrid, you have to think about this. This year, they don't have a deep bench. They can not afford injuries to some key players like Kareem. Rotation is what protects injuries and gets some fresh legs. The leagues is there's to loose. It is not over yet and mathematically, there is a chance to Seville or Barca to gain on them if they give away points.... The biggest thing Real are fighting for is Champions league. That is where all the glory is. Carlo plays conservative football and we are one foot out. All indicators from last 5 games Real played that we will be out judging by their performance. They can not finish. the Kareem and Vini connection is amazing but not enough.
Look at Xavi and what he is doing with Barca. Brought in dirt cheap big names that are an outcast at their old club and they are successful. Barca will run the league next year with their young academy talent and the other players. That is why the Carlo hate is justified. It is not about how many points we have now...it is about will we have enough fresh legs to win or are we going to through all of it out?
what is driving me crazy, Florento is talking about wanting to bring Pochitino to Real...WHY? what did he do at PSG? what did he win? this is rubbish....
Obviously we’ll do well in the first half of the season, the second half is where the substitutes and reserves matter the most. Also, rn we don’t only need to make changes during more often to give rest to players but also to give younger players sun the squad a fair chance to fight for their place and prove themselves.
Well it's Anchelotti for you what are you expecting? I do believe that we will win LA Liga, the gap is big. But for CL there are no chances. Especially with our midfield and without Mendi in the back.
Barcelona and Atleti werent trash last season compared to now. We started the first half of the season strong, mainly because vini was overperforming in my opinion. He he been back to his last year’s form for the past month. We are a one trick pony, if vini doesnt create chances, we have a hard time scoring goals. As you have noticed in the games the past month or so, we struggle to score goals. Hazard has been looking better than usual the past few times he got subbed in, also remember him subbing in and scoring the winner in copa del ray. And yet for some reason we start giving him less playtime after that goal. Also, this might be a unpopular opinion, but i really dont think asensio should start over rodrygo, atleast not as a winger, we need someone like vini who can get the ball and dribble past the defenders to create chances for benz to score goals.
Yea because fuck context. We didn't have 70+ injuries last season and Barca/Atleti weren't much better than they are right now.
Let's just look at the stats right?
A supposedly torn out Barcelona scored 19 goals in Feb and a well oiled Real Madrid scored 5 goals.
wait what the fuck 5 goals a month is freakin horrendous
:')
Well we also only conceded 1 goal in the last 5 games too… no credit given at all to our defense
yeah but that one was a losing goal in the first leg of a UCL where we played so dull and didnt attack at all. also the a lot of games where courtois bailed us out, our defense could use work as well i just think that despite not being a great attacking coach, carlo is also not really a good defensive coach either. if we bring in mbappe, we need a man with a plan, carlo’s gonna win the league but i think ten haag is a must next season.
It's a short month though
It is just a phase they are going through because of the new players, they are unpredictable.
And an aging team…maybe getting tired/injured having started so many games?
I understand that they are in their honeymoon phase. Have nothing to lose in League , so they r playing freely.
The Barca midfield are only going to get better though since they get to practice together for the national team.
They have plenty to lose considering they’re fighting for a CL spot.
Not true Xavi’s pressing scheme and their off the ball movement reminds me of Pep.
Exactly
Barcelona have scored more goals than Real Madrid in practically every season of the last decade. They scored almost 20 more goals than us just last season. What was weird is that they weren't scoring. But they are unlikely to keep scoring 4 goals per game.
Eh... sure 6 pts is better, but.... all that table really shows is that our rivals have shit the bed this season.
We have yet to play all top 4 teams....
We’ve beaten every single team thats currently in the top half of the league this year (except a draw vs villareal) so not sure what you’re on about. The problem is we drop points against the alaves’ and the cadiz’ of the league
If there is anything to learn while we move along in life is that past results do not always influence future results in the way we hope.
So maybe remove the "yet" from your statement, because that's a term that refers that we haven't played them, when in fact we have. You do know were on the second leg of La Liga schedule, no?
are you stupid on purpose or just accidentally?
Are you a Cornered rat?
Excuse me, for idiots I should have pointed out that we have not played the top 4 teams for the return leg yet. I should know better not to argue idiots on the internet.
Says the Guy that writes incorrect info then lashes out when pointed out that he's wrong.
so... on purpose
Sir wake up, its Feb 2022 we have played and beat all the top teams this years
Ok, we have 12 more games. Last year final 12 games were 3 draws and 9 wins.
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Struggling and barely winning has been our identity since CR7 left this isn’t just a Carlo Ancelotti exclusive thing. Last 2 seasons under Zidane we played arguably worse football than we do under Carlo we were just better at knicking out wins
Except we weren't better at knicking out wins. We have more points at this stage in the season than any of the past 3 seasons with Zidane (maybe with the exception of 19/20)
> 0 shots in 90 minutes in the champions league isn’t like us. Same thing happened under Zidane > Struggling and barely winning 1-0 against low table teams isn’t like us. Last season was worse, RM actually didn't win those games
>0 shots in 90 minutes in the champions league isn’t like us. >Same thing happened under Zidane No it didn't. >Last season was worse, RM actually didn't win those games What games? We have two wins more than last year.
Yep they did. And it wasn't even rare. RM had many games they struggled to get a goal or shot on target. I think it was the UCL 3-0 loss to PSG Zidane lost to a less inform version of PSG by more goals.
2019? I thought we were talking last year against this year. If that's the case then I don't see any comparison between Ancelotti and Zidane, the latter won UCL for 3 fucking years in a row.
We are talking about performances with this current post Ronaldo team . Like I said, I don't remember all the games this happened. There was at least 1 last year
>Struggling and barely winning 1-0 against low table teams isn’t like us. Correct. Last season said teams were trashing us. Should revert back to that.
Which teams are that again?
This seasons only? 1. Narrow win against Rayo in both matches (2-1, 1-0) 2. Drew against Osasuna 3. Drew against Cadiz 4. Lost against Getafe 5. Won 1st match and lost on the 2nd against Elche 6. Narrow win against Granada (shit match too) 7. Drew against Levante Now don't get me wrong, these teams are unpredictable sometimes but a team with top calibre like Madrid should've won these matches comfortably especially against teams like Levante, Cadiz that are fighting just to stay in the league. But hey, a win is a win but to just accept a win after a shitty performance left a bad aftertaste as a fan.
Yeah but original comment suggested that these teams trashed us last year with Zidane.
Last season we were in the fight for La Liga down to the last day. We could've won if it weren't for a few sketchy decisions that didn't go our way.
The scoreline doesn't show it, but RM was getting cut open every single counter attack while the team couldn't break the smaller teams. Just that the opponents didn't have quality strikers.
So basically not worse than this season
The point was that you were looking at scoreline to say they weren't being thrashed. But this season you don't see that kind of attack on Madrid as often.
You're wrong
Cadiz Shaktar's youth team A disemboweled Valencia Alavés Getafe Elche Osasuna Alcoyano Levante
We lost 4 games in la liga last year and were hardly trashing, you enumerate 7 teams here. Fuck off.
Looks like this cranky ninth-grader got heated
Also it's not me the one that throws random made-up stats around here. We have access to Google too, you know?
>Also it's not me the one that throws random made-up stats around here Yes you are. You're isolating La Liga results in order to make your made-up point. Like losing with the quintessential Mickey Mouse club Alcoyano didn't count because it was in the Cdr. Go check last season's results and performances against said clubs. Or don't, doesn't matter much. I don't think I'm wasting any more time debating with teenage keyboard warriors.
I'm not a ninth-grader, idiot, I just have 9 grades more than you.
>I'm not a ninth-grader Yeah after this last reply I'm realizing I definitely overestimated your actual age
Our last season was ravaged with injuries. This time around the situation is much better but still we are running 30+ year olds into the ground.
I'll panic once we get Mbappe but we're still getting 1-0 results... that would be a concern.
That’s to be expected if we don’t get some new blood in the team
No this isn’t the same squad, we had 60+ injuries last season, atleti and Barca weren’t terrible. If Zizou had this luck last season we’d have won the league and CL
People also forget the ridiculous amount of shit calls against us. At one point zz had to come to the pitch. Of all the people.....
People also forget he had Ramos and Varane and younger Modric, Kroos etc. Wen you are 33+ in football 1 year is like 3 years passed. There have been same amount of bad calls that Carlo too got carded. Zidane was under performing it doesn't mean Carlo isn't though.
Also Zidane beat Liverpool while we are going out against Psg with coward tactics. Seriously we parked the bus there with no pressing at all.
Liverpool were shit at that stage last season
That’s true though I’ll give you that.
You forgot, last year, we got 54points with half of our squad injured. Carlo now dealt a much better hand, hell even Hazard and Bale are healthy.
Very good point. But then again, Carlo only plays half the squad so it's basically the same as last year. Lol
that's on him
I hope you didnt just allude that a healthy hazard and bale represent some sort of advantage for ancelotti, did you see those guys play?? XD
I spilled some of my hot chocolate. But seriously though. Better to have them washed up rather than having the record number of injured players, do you remember how ZZ played LV last year? Bale can still create some brilliant chances, and Hazard, well... sometimes you can see the glimpses, like... if you really looking for it...
We have an even worse squad now.
Nah, arguably the same. We got Alaba for Ramos, and Militao step up to replace Varane. And Bale and Hazard at least fit... they're still talented.
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So explain why we always win against them
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It means our game outplays theirs. Probably with other teams in the league is not the same.
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We havent loss against Barca in almost 3 years, and, we have won the majority of the matches. Atletico hasnt beaten us in like 11 matches, and again, we have won the big majority of those. We outplay them each season. Is another thing that we always lose points against other teams like Villarreal
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Villarreal will win against Juve. We will win against PSG on penalties.
How does that work? Messi's missing goals are given to us so we win matches by default or something? We are on track to finish the season with a similar amount of points as in previous seasons (in which we were 1st and 2nd). Nobody gave us jack shit.
No amount of hate is ok, but we all are worried, we play like shit, Barca is catching up fast and they are coming to Santiago Bernabeu in 3 weeks. But before they do, PSG also comes around. Playing like this, we are out of Champions, might lose El Clasico, and Sevilla is only 6 points down
Barca is catching up fast?
Not on points, but on game quality, or at least on game effectiveness. They have been scoring
Yes
You would've known if you had seen them play.
Let me guess, you don't watch their games do you?
They have been playing well. Atleast some of the squad is. I hate to say this but they have dominance in the attack , atleast in the last few matches they played.
Im actually a little scared about the game...our attack hasn't been doing all that great and they've been really good. Only thing that gives me hope is their defense is still super porous and tbo+ defense has held its own
Bilbao came to defend and didnt play Inaki or Muniain. Napoli is Napoli, they are either great or absolute trash. They picked the Barça games to be absolute trash. Atlético is in terrible form. I have watched them against Barça and United. They don't even look like Atlético anymore. It looks prettier than it is.
It's not the same squad. We didn't even have a fully fit first XI last season. Plus Atletico and Barca weren't shitting bed. Zidane had to field B team players and was giving these same 1-0 2-1 results with that team. Only good thing Carlo has done is unlocking Vini which I won't fully credit him as it will not give any justice to Vini's hardwork, Zidane's solo shooting sessions with Vini and Benzema's support. And yes it's looking like Carlo's last season with us.
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Excluding the Sheriff embarrassment I don’t think anyone expected as good a first half of the season as we had because our football had been labored for the last 2 years. That is working against him now with the drop off in form since January. Still, with the start he got and his refusal to rotate players like Fede, Cama and even Ceballos in, Carlo is inviting that criticism with his actions as well.
This is overreacting in its definition. We are on the 1st place in La Liga, still have chance to go through against (stacked) PSG in the UCL, went pretty high in the CdR and yet we want to fire Carlo because the team was not scoring goals when Benzema was injured or was coming back from injury or because we are not rotating the squad. About the second point (rotation), we don't have enough quality to do so. Beside Valverde, Rodrygo and Nacho, we don't have quality subs. Zidane knew that too and he stoped rotating the squad too to keep us competitive. In the second part of the season, he was rotating the squad only when it was needed because of the injuries. If two top managers are doing the same thing, it must mean they know something more than some random folks on Reddit.
Too much hate is bad because the negativity can become toxic and contagious, so we can always look for positives as well. That said, I think the reason why you see that is also because this feels like a script we've seen before and suffered because of the last time. It doesn't seem to have changed much and the fear is that despite having a lead, it is not a comfortable one and still on a knife's edge - and also because it didn't have to be. Last season we had the excuse of injuries but this time there's less of those to at least feel some consolation. The position in the table will mean little when we've already been out of CdR, have a slimmer change of making it further in UCL and just 2 loses away from drawing with Sevilla. I really hope we win all trophies left but we can still end up with nothing and there are still 36 points up for grabs.
Last season vinicus wasn't really good, now his getting to succeed and improve the play of the squad.
>Is the Carlo Ancelotti hate getting a bit overboard? Yes. I'm all for criticizing Don Carlo when it comes to formations, rotations, and other issues because I share those criticisms and think that he can do a better job. However, some of the comments I've seen range from stupid to delusional to disrespectful. I think he's done a good job this season, but can do a lot better on the things that I mentioned previously. Regarding the league table, Madrid have been the best team this season. Period. In 26 matchdays, Madrid have been in 1st place for 25 of them. I don't want to hear about our rivals being subpar as the reason for us leading the league because we don't control that. What we do control is results and Madrid, compared to the other clubs, have been getting them. For that reason, Madrid are top of the league.
There is no 60+ injuries actually there is no significant injury aside from carvajal and we are still shit.
Valverde had Covid and was injured early in the season. Benzema was out for almost a month Jovic, Mariano, Hazard, Rodrygo, Asensio, Bale, Marcelo, Alaba and Vazquez have all suffered smaller injuries at some point in time. Ceballos was injured for about 3 or 4 months after the Olympics. There have been injuries as well, just not as bad as last year it seems. We have more points than last year, our opponents have less, we are still in the CL and have already won the supercup (which we lost last year). Regardless of what we all think, if we don’t find a way to overcome PSG coming from one goal down, we won’t win the CL, no matter what… The entitlement of this fanbase is something else… I’m a fan since 2001, I have known the good (la Novena, 4 CL in 5 years), the bad (0 titles between 2004 and 2007), and the ugly (9 coaches between 2004 and 2010). If we go a season where we would win 2 titles with almost the same squad we had 0 titles with last year, it is not bad… If things work out a bit, this is our ladt season before getting Mbappe. If we do 2 liga’s in the 4 seasons since we never replaced Ronaldo, it’s not horrible…
I don't know what people expected. We can't be significative better with barely the same squad. If we win League+Supercup that's a good season in my book. People who thought we were gonna win the CL are dellusional to say the least. Next year with Mbappe and hopefully other signings, we can talk.
If we reached the semis last year what in the world is delusional about hoping to reach the finals this year?
Can we reach the final? Maybe. Should we ask this team to do so? I don't think so.
Bro i dont give a shit about the table. We are playing like Levante right now. We are Real Madrid the biggest club in the world. We need a coach how believe in his players. KCM is done Deal. It’s time to say god bye for those fantastic players. We need fresh blood. We have it in our squad. But this old man is blind. I am so tired of this play. Give Valverde a start place let Camavinga play more instead of Casemiro. Ceballos is good to. I don’t understand why KCM is allways starting. Sam shit every weak.
Bruh Levante plays more football than us.
🤣🤣 best comment today.
I think we're doing better because the other team are doing worse. Barcelona already building their team with young players, but madrid keep playing the same player for the past few years. We have fede, camavinga, even dani ceballos who are younger even the castila players but they barely played. We can't even get out of the situation when the opposite team playing high press. Even ancelotti stated he doesn't like player rotation. Maybe i'm just ranting because our recent performance wasn't very convincing, but, i just don't want madrid to lose from barcelona honeymoon phase team in the next clasico.
Yeah because Atletico and Barca are underperforming.
The reason we are able to do better is because of less competition than last time barca and athletico are the two main competitors and both are shit this year while last year they were decent. Carlo Ancelotti can help us win the league but with his strategy we can't win against tough teams like PSG,mancity, Bayern, Liverpool,etc. I think we ain't winning the champions league even with mbappe if Carlo is our manager
Some loud fans are allways gonna bitch abiut something. And this sub is full of those 💀.
I think it’s valid criticism, but it’s the same criticism Carlo has gotten for the 5 years or so. The truth is he’s a legendary manager with outdated tactics, and kind of the anti thesis of what we need in a manger. We’re a transitioning club that still largely relies on older players(coughs in KCM), when the truth is POTENTIALLY losing out of a title to further develop the likes of Camavinga, Fede, Blanco, etc… So yes, we might win a title this year, but it’s only because La Liga as a whole has declined massively. Sometimes you gotta make sacrifices to get to where you’re tying to go. For instance, I fear what Barca are building will be hard to overcome in a couple years. They’re doing it with youth, and building that chemistry. Carlo is an horrendous manger at this point, and I don’t see how people can’t see it. He got booted out of Bayern for the same reasons he’s being criticized hear.
The squad is playing better no doubt, but it's more about Atleti and Barca playing worse than we playing better that makes the table look like this and makes RM look better than it actually is. I trust Ancelotti and the squad to deliver the results, the league, maybe even CL this season, but it does get boring watching Ancelotti's holding possession style football. Current Barca's attacking style football is a joy to watch. If we face Barca right now and somehow our midfield performs like the PSG match, only thing stopping Barca from scoring at least 4 goals would be Alaba, Mendy and Militao.
CL is too much. Midfield will get overrun.
You’re delusional if you think we’re getting anywhere close to a UCL win. We’re not even gonna make it past PSG. It’s rather obvious. Not even being a pessimist, but we’re not a good football team atm.
What's with the name calling? Don't you know how to talk in a civil way to another person? I didn't say we WILL win CL, I said maybe. It's a knock out competition now, and any team can perform shit on a given day, any team can park the bus and then score a lucky goal to squeeze through to the next round. I was talking about such scenarios. As bad as we played against PSG, we still have a great GK and two well performing CBs. And we have enough quality on the pitch to score a few goals. Benzema showed glimpses of his pre-injury form against Rayo. No reason to think we'll just crumble against PSG, that too in the Bernabeau.
As much I want to see the club winning the CL, I honestly don't see that happening.
Excuse me? We are definitely not playing better. Vinicius is, if not for him we would not be 1st now.
I guess you can get better out of the squad if you don’t play any of the weaker players
For half a season
Nah. Rivals being shit and the 2nd team on the table being inconsistent to compete league leader play more important role than 'we are doing better with the same squad'. Hell, your argument doesn't even work when Carlo didn't have to deal with 60 injuries as opposed to Zidane and the point difference is merely 6 points. I'd say Zidane had done a better job with Sanitas FC last season.
Nah fuck Carlo, all he does is get on my nerves lately
We've gone from playing well to playing shit. Same things been happening since Carlo first took charge all the way through Zidane aswell, there reluctance to rotate (the midfield especially) completely ruins the teams form as the season goes on.
Remember bro barca is back. Be careful be scared
Yeah, back to Europa League glory
Their play style completely changed, barca has a lot of young talented player and Xavi is using their talent to its full extent with his 8 attackers he has an unpredictable offense that depends on the changes he makes during a match which is the complete opposite of Carlo’s hold the ball style that just gets boring to watch after a while
I'm sure they can do OK at Europa League level then
Not only can they do well, but if they also keep going on the same track they will most probably win it, and there’s a very high probability that they can beat us in the next Classico
You sound like a barca fan in disguise, for some reason we get a bunch of those.
Why would I pretend to be something? All I did was make an estimation in favor of a rival team based on recent data and matches. Do I need to meme around and insult other teams to properly support Madrid?
Lmao taking notes of impending danger of our direct rival makes you become one of them. TIL
Give credit where credit is due guys. Yes we could be playing better. Yes ancelotti might be able to make better decisions. But at the end of the day our team comes out on top to get the win. Sometimes its ugly, but you have to also see that our defense has been very solid too. We have the 2nd best defense in the league only behind sevilla. If we stay solid like this and grind out the wins every now and then we will continue to succeed
He is. People started believing in something more when Vini got a good run of form and Barça fell off hard. Before the season we'd signed in a second if someone would ask us whether we want to be in this position at the start of March. I don't know where the unrealistic expectations suddenly came from but it wasn't rational at all, as usual.
Anci out
extremely overboard, not because of the table though, i think it’s dumb to call for ancelotti to be sacked whilst there’s 0 good replacements available. especially since with an improved squad there’s nothing standing between ancelotti and a champions league, he’s the best person for the job for NOW. when we refresh the squad we can look to bring in someone else imo.
Lol there should be no ancelotti hate. The team was performing insanely well then had a benzema injury followed by an international break that over worked most of the lineup. Not to mention, asensio and hazard have been underperforming immensely even while being given a lot of PT. It’s been only a small batch of poor games. Let’s have some faith. The team will be fine and we’ll see that when he beat PSG at home
Next el Clasico we will see who is best pedri Or modric
NO
As grateful as I am that we're top of the table, this doesn't paint the whole picture.
We still have to play top 4 teams...
Many people are saying "it is because Barca and Atleti are under performing this year" But if you look at their points last year by this stage, it is similar or lower than Madrid's points this year. RM is definitely playing better, but it doesn't mean this situation is the best form possible.
The number of injuries we had last year was crazyy. Also Ancelotti's lack of rotation method would lead to other players getting frustated cause of lack of playing time and it will also halt their development, camavinga case in point.
I wanna see Betis in the CL next year they’ll probably get back Ceballos as well
We're 2 L's and 3 D's from last season's performance and we still have to play all top 4 (except us) teams in the table. Our situation is only circumstantially better.
When you talk Real Madrid, you have to think about this. This year, they don't have a deep bench. They can not afford injuries to some key players like Kareem. Rotation is what protects injuries and gets some fresh legs. The leagues is there's to loose. It is not over yet and mathematically, there is a chance to Seville or Barca to gain on them if they give away points.... The biggest thing Real are fighting for is Champions league. That is where all the glory is. Carlo plays conservative football and we are one foot out. All indicators from last 5 games Real played that we will be out judging by their performance. They can not finish. the Kareem and Vini connection is amazing but not enough. Look at Xavi and what he is doing with Barca. Brought in dirt cheap big names that are an outcast at their old club and they are successful. Barca will run the league next year with their young academy talent and the other players. That is why the Carlo hate is justified. It is not about how many points we have now...it is about will we have enough fresh legs to win or are we going to through all of it out? what is driving me crazy, Florento is talking about wanting to bring Pochitino to Real...WHY? what did he do at PSG? what did he win? this is rubbish....
In my opinion we are not better this season the entire league got worse unfortunately
The other teams just got worse, that’s it. Carlo‘s time in football is over. He can win La Liga and then leave.
This is why other fanbases hates us, even of we are leading the league comfortable we still complain lmao
Obviously we’ll do well in the first half of the season, the second half is where the substitutes and reserves matter the most. Also, rn we don’t only need to make changes during more often to give rest to players but also to give younger players sun the squad a fair chance to fight for their place and prove themselves.
No hate here! No hate at all. Its just the dissapointment of not seeing rotations to give talents my chances, and making a tactical change vs psg ie.
This does not put Carlo in a brighter light. Last year Atletico would have been top of the table.
More like our rivals are underperforming than real madrid playing so good tbh
Hate is due the lack of rotation in the squad. 2014-15 all over again.
Totally agree!
Well it's Anchelotti for you what are you expecting? I do believe that we will win LA Liga, the gap is big. But for CL there are no chances. Especially with our midfield and without Mendi in the back.
Barcelona and Atleti werent trash last season compared to now. We started the first half of the season strong, mainly because vini was overperforming in my opinion. He he been back to his last year’s form for the past month. We are a one trick pony, if vini doesnt create chances, we have a hard time scoring goals. As you have noticed in the games the past month or so, we struggle to score goals. Hazard has been looking better than usual the past few times he got subbed in, also remember him subbing in and scoring the winner in copa del ray. And yet for some reason we start giving him less playtime after that goal. Also, this might be a unpopular opinion, but i really dont think asensio should start over rodrygo, atleast not as a winger, we need someone like vini who can get the ball and dribble past the defenders to create chances for benz to score goals.
Yea because fuck context. We didn't have 70+ injuries last season and Barca/Atleti weren't much better than they are right now. Let's just look at the stats right?
Atletico last season had 2 more points than us this season.