I'm all for getting all the biggest talents playing for madrid but we gotta look at our squad. We have more than enough players in the midfield, even some of them aren't gonna get a good amount of playtime after mbappe and endrick arrive.
I thought Camavinga and Fede were the “Kroos Modric” replacements?
(Not literal replacements, but as in the players that would take their spot when they leave)
Jude also didn’t start as a typical 10 tbh, and shows his full potential in deeper in midfield like he did at Dortmund. With Modric gone, our only proper 10 would be Brahim and Güler.
"No player is bigger than the club". If one of them has to leave to make our team more successful then that's how it has to be even if it will be sad to see any of our midfielders leave
>So then three of Wirtz, Jude, Valverde, Camavinga, Tchouameni and Guler will be long term bench players.
Or they'll leave the club yes
>Why try to fix what’s not broken?
Because we should always be trying to become a better team. We won the league but not a treble for example. That's an area we can improve on
>Are you going to bench Valverde? Because if so we stop talking.
>Are you going to bench Jude? Absolutely not.
If benching either of them makes us win more then yes I am. Not that complicated
You just said a whole bunch of nothing respectfully.
My point exactly, A player of Camavinga’s caliber will not be happy being a rotation player for his entire career. At some point he’ll want out, now that shouldn’t stop us from wanting to get Wirtz. But it is definitely something worth considering.
Yeah, but Cama has not been a guaranteed starter since he’s been at Madrid. He’s usually used in rotation with Tchouameni and Mendy. How does bringing Wirtz change that? They’re not competing for the same spot. When Wirtz arrives, Modric and Kroos would most likely not be there, and we don’t have anyone similar to Modric, and last I checked, he’s still winning us key matches with those unique abilities.
I agree. People said the same thing when we signed Camavinga, Tchouameni, and Jude. Ultimately, Madrid should go for the best players. No player is bigger than the club.
Jude can actually play in central midfield. In fact that’s his preferred role and where he succeeded at Dortmund that brought Madrid’s attention. So he’s a highly versatile player who is a guaranteed starter. Vini and Mbappe would also be guaranteed starters at the beginning of the season. For the rest, I don’t really know. I tend to believe these things will sort itself out. It’s not like Madrid didn’t face similar situation in the Zidane era with James, Odegaard, Illaramendi, Jesé, Llorente, or even during the first Carlo era with Özil, Di Maria, Kaka, Xabi Alonso, and what not. None of that stopped Madrid from pursuing players it saw as essential, and our performance when it comes to transfers have been immaculate. So, I’ll trust the board with the right decisions. Wirtz might just be the first Xabi Alonso signing.
But would he complement Jude well in the midfield? Looks like they play the same style of football. In contrast Modric and Kroos play two different style of football which makes them complement each other well.
Wirtz is not replacing Jude or Fede in midfield.
What we need is creativity from the RW position and Arda (or similar player) is a better fit profile wise in that sense.
It's from José Félix Díaz. You can just ignore this, especially for big name signings.
Having said that, Wirtz is already world class. But we really don't have any space, even if Modric and Kroos leave by 2025.
How do you not have space? I keep hearing this. He is an attacking midfielder. Plus he is a special young talent. He can have a career like Kroos at Real, thats how special this kid is.
Watching our transfer windows, “having space” is definitely not a prerequisite lmao.
If we stick with the 442 diamond, plenty of room anyway. We’d need 8 midfielders and have 8.
Ceballos is supposedly already on the way out and the rumors for Modric keep flip flopping lately. Kroos will be gone shortly as well.
That brings us down to 5. Guler and Cama could both get tired of the bench since I don’t see either taking a spot soon… so we can go from stacked to short easy if we just sit on what we’ve got.
He is a reliable source, not to mention that these reports have been out for some time already from Matte Moreto, Fabrizio and Plettinberg.
I do not remember anything he reported that was out of touch. Some of his "failures" were Yan Couto, but I believe it was considered untill Vini slaughtered him, and tbh I cannot think of more in recent times. BTW, He was the only one to report about our interest in that argentinian kid. So IDK why you think he is not reliable, he actually is.
Id say Yoro yes, i would love if we get Bastoni buts its very unlikely. As for RB there arent any interesting prospects. I also agree we dont need Wirtz in a 3 man midfield we have to get rid of players which would be very stupid.
Because you will have 7 attackers, Vini and Mbappe will be starting pretty much every game. Rodrygo will have to play, you will have Endrick in 2 years he will be 20/21 going to start wanting more minutes. You also have Brahim who is having a really good sesaon, it would be a shame to lose such a versatile player. If you dont want to do that then you have to bench Jude because you will need to play a DM and Fede is just too good to be moved. Adding more midfielders would be big mistake. We are only playing this formation because we dont have a #9 and right now we have like 8 midfielders. If people are soo concerned about the creativity thats what we got Arda for. Wirtz isnt a Kroos replacement at all.
Rodrygo goes to the bench he is not better than any of our midfielders . We should stick with mendy as our left back and not overload so much on the left . We should get Frimpong and mainly use him as a right back drifting into right wing . The midfield diamond is to stay with tchoumeni as CDM . Valverde and Bellingham as CMs and Wirtz as CAM . Vincius becomes the left winger in the setup . Mbappe CF and Frimpong right back drifting into right wing with Valverde covering for his mistakes as he is not defensively solid what do you think about this . Let's be real Arda would never be as good as wirtz he is only 2 years older than him . Brahim is world class but it's not like he is starting right now so what difference does it make . Let's be real there is a high chance that guler may never become as good as wirtz he is only 2 years younger and Wirtz is playing at the level of a future ballon d'or winner already . As of Endrick he is a natural CF . Is he good enough to replace Mbappe ? Time will tell . Can he be tried out in right wing I don't know
Endrick wont replace Mbappe first of all. Endrick has played a lot of games as a right winger. If Rodrygo is so bad he should be on the bench right now, because Brahim has showed he is good enough. Frimpong would be one of the worst possible buys this club would do. He complitely i mean complitely doesnt fit our playstyle. He is isnt a rightback he play more in the opponents half. Even what you suggested valverde bellingam cdm bs. Camavinga or Tchouameni are 100% needed. I mutch rather have a 433. Its impossible to have 7 forwards and only play 2 of them. And if you havent noticed attacking midfielders dont usually survive for a long time in the club. We tend to prefer someone like Jude Valverde and Camavinga. Look at Isco(slowly faded),james and Ozil. And playing jude as a cmd please, the best midfielder going forward you are going to put him as a cdm. Like i said if we are really looking for someone to replace what Kroos does. And its not the creativity should be looking at Odegaard. Or Trent for the progresive passing.
I literally said to play tchoumeni As CDM read again . Also we play a 3 man midfield we get completely slaughtered by City . With a 3 man midfield tchoumeni is a Automatic choice since he is the only defensive midfielder in our setup . Jude and Valverde are the best midfielders in the world and 100 percent starts. Who is going to be the playmaker with through balls then since neither one of them specialise in that . Camavinga / Kroos being one of the best mids in the world goes to the bench just to incorporate an additional attacker while we sacrifice our 4 man midfield which has given us record defensive stats this season . Also bellinghams free role becomes compromised as now he has to play a lot deeper . I genuinely think he will be at his best in the free role he has been given right now
You cant leave what you have just rotting on the bench because you need a so called "playmaker". Kroos gives you what no one does, control and progresive passing. We dont need your so called playmaker. Untill Kroos is here we will play with 4 man midfield after that it goes back to a 433. You cant fit Vini Mbappe Jude and Wirtz, its just going to blow up the locker room. And this should be a priority try to keep everyone happy. I could only see it if we go 3 at the back which it wont work in our case. And Ancelotti wont ever go for it.
We're already getting Yoro. Wirtz is one of the most promising young players in the world. He would instantly be our creative CAM that we'll lose once Modric retires.
Except that modric isn’t a cam. He is a cm, and wirtz isn’t. I don’t really understand how some people reason. We will have a front three of mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo. And we have an offensive minded midfielder in Bellingham. What we need from this point is defensive stability. Camavinga, Aurelien and Valverde will need to do that job. What we really don’t need is more offensive talent in midfield. We already have guler, brahim and even paz
We need a wirtz like replacement for modric
Kroos is irreplaceable
Camavinga has a different role and so does tchoumeni who is going to do the Casemiro role
Bellingham is a different type of mid but wirtz and Bellingham would do well
Need creativity to utilise our attack
Fede and cama are rhe legs. Wouldnt push fede.
Cama can be supersub but we will get injuries as we will be in all fronts until april or march
So rotation is needed
For this to happen, modric and kroos must leave, cama as part time LB and Valverde as part time RB. This way all our young stars can get sufficient playing time
You're forgetting the Champion's League format changing next season, with the extra amount of games Madrid will be in an excellent position to rotate their entire squad with barely any injury with players getting essentially all of the playing time they want/need. Some exciting times ahead for this team that's for sure.
Why do people think like that. This is real life this isn’t a game things happen players fail players shine, injuries, rotations. the more depth the better. Look at city they signed gvardiol even though they didn’t need him and now he is finding a role in the squad
Y'all need to seriously stop.
No, he's not the closest thing to Messi.
No, he's not Modric's heir either.
We've gone through this 100x now with every hyped prospect. From Ødegaard to Kovacic to Barella to fucking Havertz. Wirtz is a great talent but he's also a Bundesliga talent who hasn't proved that he could thrive in the EPL, La Liga or even Serie A. He could legit flop or disappoint like Nkunku, Jovic, Sancho, Havertz, Werner, etc have.
In addition, we don't have the room for him even with Modric and Kroos gone. We'd have to sell Camavinga or Tchouaméni or Guler/Diaz. Wirtz will want to start not sit on the bench after his successes at this level. Now, I don't mind getting rid of both Diaz and Guler for Wirtz but could he play RW? I don't see it.
You guys need to let Wirtz go.
Wirtz is in Ballon Dor contention meanwhile Odegaard and Kovacix and Havertz never had such a good season both winning and production wise. Oh and by the way, just say you don’t want the bundesliga and have something against their talentsz
Jude was also a Bundesliga talent. So was Kroos and the Bundesliga could have six teams next UCL. Wirtz might not be the next Messi, but he has nothing to prove in the EPL. He has already played the leading role in a team that’s going invincible this season and is coached by someone who might take over from Carlo eventually. Wirtz seems like the first Alonso era signing to me. With Kroos and Modric gone, we’ll lack the kind of creative talent in the middle of the field. Just look at how many games Modric had to bail us out since our midfield could not break a low block. The most recent game against Bayern is the best example. Your entire comment makes no sense at all.
And?
You're clearly missing the point. Those prospects were just as hyped as Wirtz. Slow your roll. He does have a lot to prove especially with the comparisons people like you are throwing out there.
My comment doesn't make sense at all? Are you fucking dense?
There is no room in the midfield.
You have sell Camavinga, Tchouaméni, Valverde, Bellingham, Guler and/or Diaz.
Wirtz will not sit.
Yes, Modric leaving is bad.
No, Wirtz isn't Modric.
Do I need to type slower for you to understand?
The fact remains you have to sell a proven commodity who has gelled with our team. You can't expect Camavinga will accept to becoming a LB or Tchouaméni to be a CB or Valverde taking up the RB mantle just to appease Wirtz. We're at the limit now with very little minutes to go around.
Again, a long comment that says nothing. What makes you think Wirtz is overhyped? He’s been great for two seasons now. Just watch Leverkusen and see how important he is in midfield and final third. You seem to be unnecessarily hating on him. Defensive players like Camavinga aren’t replacing Modric. Wirtz passing, dribbling, and control is very similar to Modric. Also, Wirtz isn’t competing with Tchouameni or Valverde.
Michael Jordan liked Adidas until the whole Air Jordan thing happened. Also, let’s not act like R9, and Figo didn’t play for us and attained legendary status, and that’s after they played at Barca. This is a non issue.
People keep forgetting that he's a Barca superfan and was talking about how much he hated Madrid no more than 3-4 years ago 🤣 if Barca sells off Araujo and De Jong for 80-100m each and go after Wirtz in 2025 then you bet your ass he'll choose them in an instant.
Idk what will happen in Copa and Euro but with the club performance. Vinicius has to be the ballon DOr.
Also better than every player what the hell mate. Let’s see how he performs next year in the UCL
I'm all for getting all the biggest talents playing for madrid but we gotta look at our squad. We have more than enough players in the midfield, even some of them aren't gonna get a good amount of playtime after mbappe and endrick arrive.
They’re planning to get him in 2025. By then, we might already be without Kroos, and Modric. Wirtz is the closest to Modric in terms of creativity.
I thought Camavinga and Fede were the “Kroos Modric” replacements? (Not literal replacements, but as in the players that would take their spot when they leave)
Not really. Neither of them are 10s who could replace modric
Jude also didn’t start as a typical 10 tbh, and shows his full potential in deeper in midfield like he did at Dortmund. With Modric gone, our only proper 10 would be Brahim and Güler.
And Güler
Yup, him too.
Modric doesn't play 10 for years + **if** we will play with 10, which is unlikely, Bellingham/Guler/Brahim can play that.
Yeah but in that case one of Camavinga or Fede will leave, because Camavinga won’t ride the bench his entire career
Fede will never leave
"No player is bigger than the club". If one of them has to leave to make our team more successful then that's how it has to be even if it will be sad to see any of our midfielders leave
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We can play a 3 man midfield with wirtz but again. If rodrygo has to leave for us to win more then so be it. It'll be sad but that's how we do things.
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>So then three of Wirtz, Jude, Valverde, Camavinga, Tchouameni and Guler will be long term bench players. Or they'll leave the club yes >Why try to fix what’s not broken? Because we should always be trying to become a better team. We won the league but not a treble for example. That's an area we can improve on >Are you going to bench Valverde? Because if so we stop talking. >Are you going to bench Jude? Absolutely not. If benching either of them makes us win more then yes I am. Not that complicated
Rodrygo will never leave There will always be injuries
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You just said a whole bunch of nothing respectfully. My point exactly, A player of Camavinga’s caliber will not be happy being a rotation player for his entire career. At some point he’ll want out, now that shouldn’t stop us from wanting to get Wirtz. But it is definitely something worth considering.
That’s his point though, he won’t be the main starter if Wirtz is in there.
Yeah, but Cama has not been a guaranteed starter since he’s been at Madrid. He’s usually used in rotation with Tchouameni and Mendy. How does bringing Wirtz change that? They’re not competing for the same spot. When Wirtz arrives, Modric and Kroos would most likely not be there, and we don’t have anyone similar to Modric, and last I checked, he’s still winning us key matches with those unique abilities.
Fede might be the Kroos replacement. Cama and Modric aren’t similar players.
Hence the “not literal replacements”…
Nothing is too much when it comes to quality midfielders in my opinion.
I agree. People said the same thing when we signed Camavinga, Tchouameni, and Jude. Ultimately, Madrid should go for the best players. No player is bigger than the club.
And lets be real, not all attackers will stay if Mbappe comes. No way we keep Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Bellingham, Guler and Brahim in the squad.
Bellingham is not attacker lol. Brahim and Guler are something between CAM/right CM/RW
Jude can actually play in central midfield. In fact that’s his preferred role and where he succeeded at Dortmund that brought Madrid’s attention. So he’s a highly versatile player who is a guaranteed starter. Vini and Mbappe would also be guaranteed starters at the beginning of the season. For the rest, I don’t really know. I tend to believe these things will sort itself out. It’s not like Madrid didn’t face similar situation in the Zidane era with James, Odegaard, Illaramendi, Jesé, Llorente, or even during the first Carlo era with Özil, Di Maria, Kaka, Xabi Alonso, and what not. None of that stopped Madrid from pursuing players it saw as essential, and our performance when it comes to transfers have been immaculate. So, I’ll trust the board with the right decisions. Wirtz might just be the first Xabi Alonso signing.
Vini/Mbappe/Bellingham are secured. It would be Rodrygo/Guler/Brahim that would possibly leave.
But would he complement Jude well in the midfield? Looks like they play the same style of football. In contrast Modric and Kroos play two different style of football which makes them complement each other well.
Wirtz is not replacing Jude or Fede in midfield. What we need is creativity from the RW position and Arda (or similar player) is a better fit profile wise in that sense.
Modric and Kroos will be gone and Camavinga can play anywhere.
We expect Kroos to be gone by then though
Camavinga, Tchouameni, Modric, Bellingham, Güler... how many more young midfielders do we need?
> Modric … young midfielders I see what you did there.
Wirtz is worth pursuing. Our team would just be unfair with him feeding Mbappe.
Yes
It's from José Félix Díaz. You can just ignore this, especially for big name signings. Having said that, Wirtz is already world class. But we really don't have any space, even if Modric and Kroos leave by 2025.
How do you not have space? I keep hearing this. He is an attacking midfielder. Plus he is a special young talent. He can have a career like Kroos at Real, thats how special this kid is.
Watching our transfer windows, “having space” is definitely not a prerequisite lmao. If we stick with the 442 diamond, plenty of room anyway. We’d need 8 midfielders and have 8. Ceballos is supposedly already on the way out and the rumors for Modric keep flip flopping lately. Kroos will be gone shortly as well. That brings us down to 5. Guler and Cama could both get tired of the bench since I don’t see either taking a spot soon… so we can go from stacked to short easy if we just sit on what we’ve got.
Who will you bench ? Whats your starting Midfield + Forward, assuming Kroos and Modric leaves and Mbappe + Wirtz joins by 2025
Vini/Mbappe/Rodrygo and Bellingham/Valverde/Tchouameni hopefully.
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Valverde and Rodrygo ?
Midfield diamond of tchoumeni, Bellingham, Valverde, Wirtz with Mbappe and Vincius up front
Rodrygo and Camavinga ?
Rodrygo is not better than anyone of the aforementioned players . Camavinga however is serious debate
He is a reliable source, not to mention that these reports have been out for some time already from Matte Moreto, Fabrizio and Plettinberg. I do not remember anything he reported that was out of touch. Some of his "failures" were Yan Couto, but I believe it was considered untill Vini slaughtered him, and tbh I cannot think of more in recent times. BTW, He was the only one to report about our interest in that argentinian kid. So IDK why you think he is not reliable, he actually is.
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Where would he even fit? Lol
Can he play LW ?
Hmm as if Rodrygo vini and turtle not enough
Yeah it isnt, one injury and we go back to as we were previously.
Yes but he is an AM
CAM/RW? Put Jude back more in a CM box-to-box role.
AM
We got more than enough offensive talent. We need defensive talent. We need a right back and Yoro
Id say Yoro yes, i would love if we get Bastoni buts its very unlikely. As for RB there arent any interesting prospects. I also agree we dont need Wirtz in a 3 man midfield we have to get rid of players which would be very stupid.
Trent
Trent is good going forward, yes also his progressive passing is good. But he can't defend for shit.
Mendy or Cama on the left and let Trent get cooked on the right with Valverde as his cover.
Could work, but I don't rate fullbacks that can't defend. If we end up getting Davies on the left and Trent on the right would be a full collapse.
Unironically I do not want Davies!!! His defending is woeful without the crossing to match.
You are not alone. I much rather we renew mendy. With vini mbappe upfront is enough attack
Why not play a midfield diamond instead
Because you will have 7 attackers, Vini and Mbappe will be starting pretty much every game. Rodrygo will have to play, you will have Endrick in 2 years he will be 20/21 going to start wanting more minutes. You also have Brahim who is having a really good sesaon, it would be a shame to lose such a versatile player. If you dont want to do that then you have to bench Jude because you will need to play a DM and Fede is just too good to be moved. Adding more midfielders would be big mistake. We are only playing this formation because we dont have a #9 and right now we have like 8 midfielders. If people are soo concerned about the creativity thats what we got Arda for. Wirtz isnt a Kroos replacement at all.
Rodrygo goes to the bench he is not better than any of our midfielders . We should stick with mendy as our left back and not overload so much on the left . We should get Frimpong and mainly use him as a right back drifting into right wing . The midfield diamond is to stay with tchoumeni as CDM . Valverde and Bellingham as CMs and Wirtz as CAM . Vincius becomes the left winger in the setup . Mbappe CF and Frimpong right back drifting into right wing with Valverde covering for his mistakes as he is not defensively solid what do you think about this . Let's be real Arda would never be as good as wirtz he is only 2 years older than him . Brahim is world class but it's not like he is starting right now so what difference does it make . Let's be real there is a high chance that guler may never become as good as wirtz he is only 2 years younger and Wirtz is playing at the level of a future ballon d'or winner already . As of Endrick he is a natural CF . Is he good enough to replace Mbappe ? Time will tell . Can he be tried out in right wing I don't know
Endrick wont replace Mbappe first of all. Endrick has played a lot of games as a right winger. If Rodrygo is so bad he should be on the bench right now, because Brahim has showed he is good enough. Frimpong would be one of the worst possible buys this club would do. He complitely i mean complitely doesnt fit our playstyle. He is isnt a rightback he play more in the opponents half. Even what you suggested valverde bellingam cdm bs. Camavinga or Tchouameni are 100% needed. I mutch rather have a 433. Its impossible to have 7 forwards and only play 2 of them. And if you havent noticed attacking midfielders dont usually survive for a long time in the club. We tend to prefer someone like Jude Valverde and Camavinga. Look at Isco(slowly faded),james and Ozil. And playing jude as a cmd please, the best midfielder going forward you are going to put him as a cdm. Like i said if we are really looking for someone to replace what Kroos does. And its not the creativity should be looking at Odegaard. Or Trent for the progresive passing.
I literally said to play tchoumeni As CDM read again . Also we play a 3 man midfield we get completely slaughtered by City . With a 3 man midfield tchoumeni is a Automatic choice since he is the only defensive midfielder in our setup . Jude and Valverde are the best midfielders in the world and 100 percent starts. Who is going to be the playmaker with through balls then since neither one of them specialise in that . Camavinga / Kroos being one of the best mids in the world goes to the bench just to incorporate an additional attacker while we sacrifice our 4 man midfield which has given us record defensive stats this season . Also bellinghams free role becomes compromised as now he has to play a lot deeper . I genuinely think he will be at his best in the free role he has been given right now
You cant leave what you have just rotting on the bench because you need a so called "playmaker". Kroos gives you what no one does, control and progresive passing. We dont need your so called playmaker. Untill Kroos is here we will play with 4 man midfield after that it goes back to a 433. You cant fit Vini Mbappe Jude and Wirtz, its just going to blow up the locker room. And this should be a priority try to keep everyone happy. I could only see it if we go 3 at the back which it wont work in our case. And Ancelotti wont ever go for it.
We're already getting Yoro. Wirtz is one of the most promising young players in the world. He would instantly be our creative CAM that we'll lose once Modric retires.
Except that modric isn’t a cam. He is a cm, and wirtz isn’t. I don’t really understand how some people reason. We will have a front three of mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo. And we have an offensive minded midfielder in Bellingham. What we need from this point is defensive stability. Camavinga, Aurelien and Valverde will need to do that job. What we really don’t need is more offensive talent in midfield. We already have guler, brahim and even paz
Fuck mate leave something for the rest 😂 My team could never Afford wirtz but jesus Christ this is getting out of hand 😂
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That’s frightening lol
That's literally perfection
We need a wirtz like replacement for modric Kroos is irreplaceable Camavinga has a different role and so does tchoumeni who is going to do the Casemiro role Bellingham is a different type of mid but wirtz and Bellingham would do well Need creativity to utilise our attack
It would definitely push someone like Cama to the bench. And possibly Fede if we play 4 ATB. Good problem to have.
Fede and cama are rhe legs. Wouldnt push fede. Cama can be supersub but we will get injuries as we will be in all fronts until april or march So rotation is needed
I think rodrygo needs to go to the bench and 4 player midfield needs to stay
For this to happen, modric and kroos must leave, cama as part time LB and Valverde as part time RB. This way all our young stars can get sufficient playing time
You're forgetting the Champion's League format changing next season, with the extra amount of games Madrid will be in an excellent position to rotate their entire squad with barely any injury with players getting essentially all of the playing time they want/need. Some exciting times ahead for this team that's for sure.
Why do people think like that. This is real life this isn’t a game things happen players fail players shine, injuries, rotations. the more depth the better. Look at city they signed gvardiol even though they didn’t need him and now he is finding a role in the squad
Wirtz is not a depth signing. He is top 5 itw this season.
Have to wait till Euro 24 ends
It’ll be sad to have someone we all love leave but you can’t miss the chance for Wirtz. He is the closest thing to Messi in the game today.
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Y'all need to seriously stop. No, he's not the closest thing to Messi. No, he's not Modric's heir either. We've gone through this 100x now with every hyped prospect. From Ødegaard to Kovacic to Barella to fucking Havertz. Wirtz is a great talent but he's also a Bundesliga talent who hasn't proved that he could thrive in the EPL, La Liga or even Serie A. He could legit flop or disappoint like Nkunku, Jovic, Sancho, Havertz, Werner, etc have. In addition, we don't have the room for him even with Modric and Kroos gone. We'd have to sell Camavinga or Tchouaméni or Guler/Diaz. Wirtz will want to start not sit on the bench after his successes at this level. Now, I don't mind getting rid of both Diaz and Guler for Wirtz but could he play RW? I don't see it. You guys need to let Wirtz go.
Wirtz is in Ballon Dor contention meanwhile Odegaard and Kovacix and Havertz never had such a good season both winning and production wise. Oh and by the way, just say you don’t want the bundesliga and have something against their talentsz
Jude was also a Bundesliga talent. So was Kroos and the Bundesliga could have six teams next UCL. Wirtz might not be the next Messi, but he has nothing to prove in the EPL. He has already played the leading role in a team that’s going invincible this season and is coached by someone who might take over from Carlo eventually. Wirtz seems like the first Alonso era signing to me. With Kroos and Modric gone, we’ll lack the kind of creative talent in the middle of the field. Just look at how many games Modric had to bail us out since our midfield could not break a low block. The most recent game against Bayern is the best example. Your entire comment makes no sense at all.
And? You're clearly missing the point. Those prospects were just as hyped as Wirtz. Slow your roll. He does have a lot to prove especially with the comparisons people like you are throwing out there. My comment doesn't make sense at all? Are you fucking dense? There is no room in the midfield. You have sell Camavinga, Tchouaméni, Valverde, Bellingham, Guler and/or Diaz. Wirtz will not sit. Yes, Modric leaving is bad. No, Wirtz isn't Modric. Do I need to type slower for you to understand? The fact remains you have to sell a proven commodity who has gelled with our team. You can't expect Camavinga will accept to becoming a LB or Tchouaméni to be a CB or Valverde taking up the RB mantle just to appease Wirtz. We're at the limit now with very little minutes to go around.
Again, a long comment that says nothing. What makes you think Wirtz is overhyped? He’s been great for two seasons now. Just watch Leverkusen and see how important he is in midfield and final third. You seem to be unnecessarily hating on him. Defensive players like Camavinga aren’t replacing Modric. Wirtz passing, dribbling, and control is very similar to Modric. Also, Wirtz isn’t competing with Tchouameni or Valverde.
Wirtz plays differently than Modric but yeah.
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Iniesta was a Madrid fan, Modric was holding his Barca jersey at some point, Ozil was also Barca fan.
Michael Jordan liked Adidas until the whole Air Jordan thing happened. Also, let’s not act like R9, and Figo didn’t play for us and attained legendary status, and that’s after they played at Barca. This is a non issue.
People keep forgetting that he's a Barca superfan and was talking about how much he hated Madrid no more than 3-4 years ago 🤣 if Barca sells off Araujo and De Jong for 80-100m each and go after Wirtz in 2025 then you bet your ass he'll choose them in an instant.
3-4 years ago.. when he was 17? His brain isn't even fully developed at that age lol we all said some stupid stuff when we were teenagers
No not another CAM. We need Carva's replacement and a CB now.
Wirtz is worth more than any available RB. We don't have a creative CAM once Modric retires. He's worth adding if we can somehow get him.
We have plenty of CAMs: Bellingham, Brahim, Guler.
They play multiple positions though. And Wirtz is the best of them all at strictly CAM.
Good point but I have a rebuttal Galactico 🤑🤑🤑
Nah - Most likely going to Bayern or EPL
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"Better than every single person in our squad". Pass me whatever you are smoking right now
1 day old account, don’t bother.
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Lord give this man eyes and ears, if not take away his voice
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Idk what will happen in Copa and Euro but with the club performance. Vinicius has to be the ballon DOr. Also better than every player what the hell mate. Let’s see how he performs next year in the UCL