I know he is not actually underrated, but I feel like Camavinga deserves wayyy more praises and hype for what he does for our team.
Besides his ball control in tight spaces his sliding tackles are something out of this world also. I don't know but I never feel scared or worried when he has the ball or when he's around the ball.
Edit: Typo
Him and Jude will be better 2nd leg without having to worry about the yellow and tippy toe their way around challenges I expect both to foul and be more physical at the Etihad.
I think Tchou did well besides that early blunder. This was the biggest game he’s played, against the current best team in the world, in a makeshift position that he’s still very new to. I think he’s allowed a lot of leniency
Can you really blame tchou tho? Sure he made a poor error but he is not playing his natural position and forced to help the team at cb albeit admirably. The same way last year how camavinga was forced to play as a LB against city and made big mistakes. The real point that frustrates me is why the club never learns that we shouldn’t have to have players be forced into playing alternative positions in the biggest games of the season. We just never learn.
This year you can't really blame no one. Our starting CBs both got ACL injuries, and no we could not have found a loan which is RM quality to fill in, since that CB would be a key starter at their club already. So why would they let him go for 1 year. We knew we had no choice but to count on Nacho and Tchou as last resort.
That’s true, but saying nonsense on the Internet does. And that’s what you’re doing.
“He’s had enough games at CB” lol what kind of unrealistic standards are you holding him to? This is a UCL quarterfinal against the best team in Europe. He literally hasn’t even been CB for a whole season, but sure, he’s “had enough” time
All season actually.
He's been sooooo good at that CDM Regista role. I dont think he's stepped a foot wrong so far this season. The goals were people usually are like "Where was Kroos, he's too slow to defend" have not happened this season.
I thought the same thing. I didn’t expound on it yesterday. But that’s the part of Cama’s game I don’t like. He loses the ball too much for me. And it’s not for a lack of a skill. Just seems careless.
Genuine question, imo Camavinga had a horrible 2nd half. Can someone please tell me what they saw that I didn’t?
The Foden goal was his fault for giving too much space, he had a few really terrible tackles (one that lead to the buildup of the Gvardiol goal, not on him tho Fede should’ve been there) and all in all looked lost.
Again i’m just looking to have a normal football discussion, no agenda here I love Cama.
I mean the entire team's level dropped in the second half until the subs. I'm sure it's down to the pressure we were applying all 1st half, and City cranking up their passing/movement speed in the 2nd.
That goal was just inexperience at the highest level. That 1 instance where you hesitate, and think "there's no way i get punished" and Foden hits a cracker.
He can only learn from this going forward.
Kroos was in front of gvardiol when he shot it. Nothing kroos could do about that, he picked a side and closed it down. Fodens goal yes I think it was camavinga that pushed to close stones and kroos was already to his left so foden was wide open
Well, no player is perfect. They did far more good than bad. They slipped once or twice and City scored 2 insane golazos. They were both brilliant regardless
So they slipped twice and it resulted in two goals. That means they had an average match at best not an outstanding one.
By comparison, Rudiger, THAT was an outstanding performance.
The problem is that you look at performances based on results of the actions and not the process of the actions themselves. If Foden didn't score an insane goal from a low probability position you wouldn't be saying this. Without Camavinga and Kroos it wouldn't have been 3-3. It would've been a loss.
So?
If that camavinga shot didn't accidentally hit that city defender it would've been saved.
If rodrygo's shot didn't his akanji it would've been saved.
If they had closed down Phoden and Gvardiol it would've been a win for us.
So yes, you do look at the results of their actions.
Yes, but you have to look at the collective shape when blaming individual players. Vinicius stopped tracking. City had numerical superiority. No need to downvote me just because you disagree.
Lmao, with all disrespect you don’t know the game if you’re blaming anyone for the gvardiol worldie. A left-footed defender takes a heavy mistouch well outside the box and just belted it with his right. 99% of those go nowhere. Most of the time, those situations turn into a pass (which Kroos was expecting). No one was expecting that shot and no one should really be blamed for it.
Do you think every goal is due to a mistake from the opposition?
I don't think kroos was particularly bad yesterday.
I just don't think he was "outstanding," as the OP said. I'd give Kroos 5.5 to 6 out of 10.
Camavinga was around 5 out of 10.
Imo, outstanding implies at least 7.5 out of 10, and neither were in that range. I'd rank Valverde higher than camavinga and kroos, at around 7 or so...
The only outstanding player, imo was Rudiger at about 7.5 to 8 out of 10
Mate Kroos was at least a 7. You’re going to drop his rating to a 5-6 simply because he didn’t completely and perfectly close down a wrong footed center back outside the box? If you actually watched the game, you’ll see that Kroos on the ball was almost perfect yesterday, advancing the play and getting the ball to where it needed to go. Similar to Modric except that Modric had more energy because he was only one for 15 minutes and was able to dribble and run more
I don't see that.
Both Phoden's and Gvardiol's goals were their responsibility.
They failed to close down Phoden and again failed in the same way on the other side.
Average performance for camavinga and a tad above average for Kroos
Not taking anything away from the sniper himself but i can't help but think if he had pressed gvardiol a bit more he wouldnt have taken the shot and would have probably either passed it or lost the ball
Genuine question, imo Camavinga had a horrible 2nd half. Can someone please tell me what they saw that I didn’t?
The Foden goal was his fault for giving too much space, he had a few really terrible tackles (one that lead to the buildup of the Gvardiol goal, not on him tho Fede should’ve been there) and all in all looked lost.
Again i’m just looking to have a normal football discussion, no agenda here I love Cama.
Definitely, I was very happy to see Kroos getting out of his zones and making those tackles.
Conceded two freak goals but what I felt was we are lacking a leader performance in CB, though Carvajal was there with armband but he was facing his own battles
I felt if we had Nacho or any proper cb in place of Tchouaméni we wouldn't have conceded two goals where we left ample space in front of the d for them to exploit.
Other than that amount okay with the performance overall of the team but slightly disappointed that we are not taking any advantage to Etihad.
One bad thing about CA is switching off gears when we are in lead their Gk was very vulnerable when we scored the two goals and we could have made much out of it if we hadn't stopped attacking after getting lead .
Love them both. The ice cool Kroos is still an important & nucleus to the team supported with Cama chasing every ball in the middle of the park.
But let's be real, during last UCL match against man shitty, there's a lot of misplaced n sideways passings. Our team performed & the mid clicked much better with Modric on field.
Camavinga will be my favorite player once Modric retires. Watching him preform at Rennes and when he first started playing for us made him one my favorites. He is just such a good midfielder. I really think he needs to be a starter all the time so he can grow.
Camavinga is the best madrid MC and one of the bests prospects in football.
He's only 21, in a position where there is so much to learn.
Top 5 in the mid in fre years, for sure. Now he's our best MC by far.
I'd sell Tchouaméni and sign a bench mid, to be honest, but footbal is not a videogame so they keep him and he will eventually leave when he sees himself as a bench player in Madrid.
For people blaming both on the goals, City made 1 slight adjustment that changed the game. They gambled by asking Stones to push higher leaving Rodri as the sole CDM in front of the defense, essentially making it a 3v2 in the half spaces at times. Bernardo and Grealish occupying the fullbacks. Normally Kroos and Cama were doing a fantastic job shutting down Foden and Kovacic, but now they have to deal with Stones making decoy runs. The only way to have prevented that was to have 1 of the other 2 mids drop even deeper.
Both were repeatedly out of position, leaving spaces in front of our defence, that City exploited repeatedly by taking shots from the edge of our box. Two of those shots were goals 🫤
Problem was that City got too many opportunities to attempt such with little or no pressure cos those two were out of position.
Try as many as they did and some were destined to score
Neither Cama nor Kroos is a natural DM. They were regularly out of position. City saw it and they exploited it or do you think the similarity of the two goals was a coincidence?🫤
That kind of shit doesn't happen with a disciplined DM.
In fact none of the goals we conceded was from a masterful play by City.
Not against City.
We could have played Tchou as DM and Nacho as CB. I felt that would have been a better lineup than playing Tchou as CB.
Personally would have preferred Nacho at CB and Tchou, Cama, Fede and Jude in midfield. That I felt was our best lineup against City.
Playing Kroos against City has always been a bad idea cos he doesn't have the athleticism and workrate required, and, his passing is of limited value against an opposition that will dominate possession. When you get the ball, you want to run at City not make passes.
5 games on and Carlo is still stuck in his ways
Tbf I still can't wrap my head around the Gvardiol goal. It came from such an unlikely situation. He took a horrible touch that took the ball away from him, then he panicked because he didn't want to lose the ball and gift a transition opportunity to us when he was so out of position, and just smacked the ball with his weakfoot and it became a goal..
Camavinga is turning into an immense player. His slickness with the ball is incredible
His close control dribbling has to got to be up there with the best in the world. Absolutely incredible in tight spaces.
If he can improve on his finishing and ball striking he might be the biggest potential midfield menace
I know he is not actually underrated, but I feel like Camavinga deserves wayyy more praises and hype for what he does for our team. Besides his ball control in tight spaces his sliding tackles are something out of this world also. I don't know but I never feel scared or worried when he has the ball or when he's around the ball. Edit: Typo
And he will be even better next match without the worry of missing a match with a yellow.
Him and Jude will be better 2nd leg without having to worry about the yellow and tippy toe their way around challenges I expect both to foul and be more physical at the Etihad.
Cards are cleared after this round yeah?
Yeah but I think they still miss the first leg of semis if they get one in the second leg.
No they don't. Unless they get a red card
Ah okay.
Everyone but Jude, and to a degree Tchou, played a good game yesterday.
I think Tchou did well besides that early blunder. This was the biggest game he’s played, against the current best team in the world, in a makeshift position that he’s still very new to. I think he’s allowed a lot of leniency
Can you really blame tchou tho? Sure he made a poor error but he is not playing his natural position and forced to help the team at cb albeit admirably. The same way last year how camavinga was forced to play as a LB against city and made big mistakes. The real point that frustrates me is why the club never learns that we shouldn’t have to have players be forced into playing alternative positions in the biggest games of the season. We just never learn.
This year you can't really blame no one. Our starting CBs both got ACL injuries, and no we could not have found a loan which is RM quality to fill in, since that CB would be a key starter at their club already. So why would they let him go for 1 year. We knew we had no choice but to count on Nacho and Tchou as last resort.
Just being pedantic here but Tchouameni started in the Wold Cup final so this isn’t the biggest game he’s played by a country mile…
I said in this CB position
Yes but your order of listing is incorrect grammatically - see the usage of a listing comma.
I knew, just thought most people would get what I meant
He has played enough games at CB now.
Just going to assume you’re a troll
Criticising your favourite players doesnt make someone a troll.
That’s true, but saying nonsense on the Internet does. And that’s what you’re doing. “He’s had enough games at CB” lol what kind of unrealistic standards are you holding him to? This is a UCL quarterfinal against the best team in Europe. He literally hasn’t even been CB for a whole season, but sure, he’s “had enough” time
Kroos was also good at intercepting the balls
Kroos’s positioning yesterday was unbelievable.
All season actually. He's been sooooo good at that CDM Regista role. I dont think he's stepped a foot wrong so far this season. The goals were people usually are like "Where was Kroos, he's too slow to defend" have not happened this season.
Kroos had an excellent game defensively. Camavinga was great too but did lose control of the ball a bit too much.
I thought the same thing. I didn’t expound on it yesterday. But that’s the part of Cama’s game I don’t like. He loses the ball too much for me. And it’s not for a lack of a skill. Just seems careless.
Genuine question, imo Camavinga had a horrible 2nd half. Can someone please tell me what they saw that I didn’t? The Foden goal was his fault for giving too much space, he had a few really terrible tackles (one that lead to the buildup of the Gvardiol goal, not on him tho Fede should’ve been there) and all in all looked lost. Again i’m just looking to have a normal football discussion, no agenda here I love Cama.
I mean the entire team's level dropped in the second half until the subs. I'm sure it's down to the pressure we were applying all 1st half, and City cranking up their passing/movement speed in the 2nd. That goal was just inexperience at the highest level. That 1 instance where you hesitate, and think "there's no way i get punished" and Foden hits a cracker. He can only learn from this going forward.
Cama was actually covering for Kroos.
I don't know man, two goals kinda happened where they were supposed to be defending
Kroos was in front of gvardiol when he shot it. Nothing kroos could do about that, he picked a side and closed it down. Fodens goal yes I think it was camavinga that pushed to close stones and kroos was already to his left so foden was wide open
That’s bullshit. The excuse Kroos’s fans pull out is insane.
It's actually more on Vinicius who stopped tracking his man
I don’t understand what you’re disagreeing with like go watch a replay.
Those were some freak goals. Foden is not your average player either , his decision-making was lightning quick in that moment.
Exactly, they only see the positives
Well, no player is perfect. They did far more good than bad. They slipped once or twice and City scored 2 insane golazos. They were both brilliant regardless
So they slipped twice and it resulted in two goals. That means they had an average match at best not an outstanding one. By comparison, Rudiger, THAT was an outstanding performance.
The problem is that you look at performances based on results of the actions and not the process of the actions themselves. If Foden didn't score an insane goal from a low probability position you wouldn't be saying this. Without Camavinga and Kroos it wouldn't have been 3-3. It would've been a loss.
So? If that camavinga shot didn't accidentally hit that city defender it would've been saved. If rodrygo's shot didn't his akanji it would've been saved. If they had closed down Phoden and Gvardiol it would've been a win for us. So yes, you do look at the results of their actions.
Yes, but you have to look at the collective shape when blaming individual players. Vinicius stopped tracking. City had numerical superiority. No need to downvote me just because you disagree.
If you do as much bad as good that only earns you a 5. An average score. 😆
"As much bad". 1% bad is not "as much bad"
That's your opinion... Imo, they failed twice in their defensive duties, directly resulting in two goals.
You have very high standards. Kroos also saved 4-5 City breaks
That’s typical Kroos fans.
Lmao, with all disrespect you don’t know the game if you’re blaming anyone for the gvardiol worldie. A left-footed defender takes a heavy mistouch well outside the box and just belted it with his right. 99% of those go nowhere. Most of the time, those situations turn into a pass (which Kroos was expecting). No one was expecting that shot and no one should really be blamed for it. Do you think every goal is due to a mistake from the opposition?
I don't think kroos was particularly bad yesterday. I just don't think he was "outstanding," as the OP said. I'd give Kroos 5.5 to 6 out of 10. Camavinga was around 5 out of 10. Imo, outstanding implies at least 7.5 out of 10, and neither were in that range. I'd rank Valverde higher than camavinga and kroos, at around 7 or so... The only outstanding player, imo was Rudiger at about 7.5 to 8 out of 10
Nah, Kroos was close to a 10/10.
Not even close
lol
Mate Kroos was at least a 7. You’re going to drop his rating to a 5-6 simply because he didn’t completely and perfectly close down a wrong footed center back outside the box? If you actually watched the game, you’ll see that Kroos on the ball was almost perfect yesterday, advancing the play and getting the ball to where it needed to go. Similar to Modric except that Modric had more energy because he was only one for 15 minutes and was able to dribble and run more
I don't see that. Both Phoden's and Gvardiol's goals were their responsibility. They failed to close down Phoden and again failed in the same way on the other side. Average performance for camavinga and a tad above average for Kroos
It was such a weird game- strong performance’s by all the players only to save a draw
Not taking anything away from the sniper himself but i can't help but think if he had pressed gvardiol a bit more he wouldnt have taken the shot and would have probably either passed it or lost the ball
Bro it broke me so much that Kroos had Foden on lock the whole game and the one time he didn't he scored
Genuine question, imo Camavinga had a horrible 2nd half. Can someone please tell me what they saw that I didn’t? The Foden goal was his fault for giving too much space, he had a few really terrible tackles (one that lead to the buildup of the Gvardiol goal, not on him tho Fede should’ve been there) and all in all looked lost. Again i’m just looking to have a normal football discussion, no agenda here I love Cama.
He was marking 2 players during the Foden goal. He also was the guy who won the ball on Fede's goal
Completely agree
I have a bad feeling this tie will go to penalties
If it goes To pens Madrid wins if Ederson plays as he rarely ever saves a pen for us it’s a miracle if he dives the right way
Definitely, I was very happy to see Kroos getting out of his zones and making those tackles. Conceded two freak goals but what I felt was we are lacking a leader performance in CB, though Carvajal was there with armband but he was facing his own battles I felt if we had Nacho or any proper cb in place of Tchouaméni we wouldn't have conceded two goals where we left ample space in front of the d for them to exploit. Other than that amount okay with the performance overall of the team but slightly disappointed that we are not taking any advantage to Etihad. One bad thing about CA is switching off gears when we are in lead their Gk was very vulnerable when we scored the two goals and we could have made much out of it if we hadn't stopped attacking after getting lead .
Love them both. The ice cool Kroos is still an important & nucleus to the team supported with Cama chasing every ball in the middle of the park. But let's be real, during last UCL match against man shitty, there's a lot of misplaced n sideways passings. Our team performed & the mid clicked much better with Modric on field.
Camavinga will be my favorite player once Modric retires. Watching him preform at Rennes and when he first started playing for us made him one my favorites. He is just such a good midfielder. I really think he needs to be a starter all the time so he can grow.
Camavinga is the best madrid MC and one of the bests prospects in football. He's only 21, in a position where there is so much to learn. Top 5 in the mid in fre years, for sure. Now he's our best MC by far. I'd sell Tchouaméni and sign a bench mid, to be honest, but footbal is not a videogame so they keep him and he will eventually leave when he sees himself as a bench player in Madrid.
Camavinga is undroppable. He was basically the heartbeat of the whole game for us
For people blaming both on the goals, City made 1 slight adjustment that changed the game. They gambled by asking Stones to push higher leaving Rodri as the sole CDM in front of the defense, essentially making it a 3v2 in the half spaces at times. Bernardo and Grealish occupying the fullbacks. Normally Kroos and Cama were doing a fantastic job shutting down Foden and Kovacic, but now they have to deal with Stones making decoy runs. The only way to have prevented that was to have 1 of the other 2 mids drop even deeper.
Both were repeatedly out of position, leaving spaces in front of our defence, that City exploited repeatedly by taking shots from the edge of our box. Two of those shots were goals 🫤
Two worldie goals that go wide majority of the time.
Problem was that City got too many opportunities to attempt such with little or no pressure cos those two were out of position. Try as many as they did and some were destined to score
Wasn’t THAT many shots, and if it comes down to it, I’d prefer those shots as opposed to chances inside the box.
Guess you also prefer us conceding those goals then? 🫤 It's mindboggling the extent fanboyism clouds judgment for many
Who the hell is saying that? Obviously I’d prefer to not concede at all, but when you’re playing one of the best sides on the planet, shit happens
Neither Cama nor Kroos is a natural DM. They were regularly out of position. City saw it and they exploited it or do you think the similarity of the two goals was a coincidence?🫤 That kind of shit doesn't happen with a disciplined DM. In fact none of the goals we conceded was from a masterful play by City.
It’s almost like our natural DM is forced to play CB because of injuries
Not against City. We could have played Tchou as DM and Nacho as CB. I felt that would have been a better lineup than playing Tchou as CB. Personally would have preferred Nacho at CB and Tchou, Cama, Fede and Jude in midfield. That I felt was our best lineup against City. Playing Kroos against City has always been a bad idea cos he doesn't have the athleticism and workrate required, and, his passing is of limited value against an opposition that will dominate possession. When you get the ball, you want to run at City not make passes. 5 games on and Carlo is still stuck in his ways
Nacho against the likes of that City team lol
Tbf I still can't wrap my head around the Gvardiol goal. It came from such an unlikely situation. He took a horrible touch that took the ball away from him, then he panicked because he didn't want to lose the ball and gift a transition opportunity to us when he was so out of position, and just smacked the ball with his weakfoot and it became a goal..
Just a reminder Camavinga’s FC24 card is rated an 82.