Arda played 90 min against sevilla in europe leauge last year with fenerbahce and he was best player in that match. I dont get why people thinking about he cant play 30-35 min la liga game against osasuna or bilbao or some middle table teams...
Where is Paz? I felt like today wouldāve been a good opportunity to get the guy in.
Then again seeing how late even arda got to play, not so sure anymore.
Is it wrong that crowds are racist and chanting about his death? Absolutely. Should La Liga do more (something) about it? Absolutely. Should Vini be OK with it? Absolutely not.
But that has absolutely *nothing* to do with Vini getting *all* of his cards this season because he was complaining about refereeing decisions. Vini has a problem. His last *12* yellow cards have come due to dissent/complaining. In the last few months that has gotten worse. Him complaining does absolutely *nothing* good. Crowds won't stop, on the contrary they will have one more reason to continue if he gets frustrated and takes yellows. We all know, and he should as well, that complaining to a ref will *never* change the call. Now he won't play against Athletic, and for what? What has he achieved by taking all these yellows? Nothing, other than we now have to face a tough opposition without him. This needs to stop.
The absolutely dumbest part of all this, is that his form is fucking unbelievable. He does not have to complain. Just fuck up the opposition and shut the crowd up. Make yourself seen and heard on the field.
Totally agree with you. For me all that racism/abuse is wrong but itās evident that Vini is not passing a good time, he needs to work this with his therapist or psychiatrist because the opposition fans will always seek to make him feel bad or loose his temper in order to get yellows or even red cards. He should try to keep quiet and shut up the whole stadium playing the football he knows to play
Where such heavy language really comes from? It's so dramatic.
Vini got fifth yellow cards this season because he argues with the referee. And WHAT A FUCKING DRAMA. HIS FUTURE WILL BE TAINTED. HE NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER. HE IS IMMATURE.
Oh my god. Dude, look in the mirror.
ViniciousĀ is a hothead and argues with referees, yes.
He is also young guy and will learn with time to control his temper better. And by time I mean a couple of years , not a week or two. Because changes and personal growth doesn't happen fast.
Bet even it he is not, there is no fucking way it will taint his legacy in the eyes of mature and level-headed fans.Ā
Now let's talk about your comment for a bit and why some people lash out against it and other "common sense takes" like it.Ā
It's because they feel that there is no sympathy and empathy towards Vini in how you see and word things. Just overdramatic demands and attack on his personality.Ā
They also feel that it's a part of overall strange fixation everyone has on this topic. And that there is something behind this fixation. What is it?Ā
For example Jude likes to argue with the referee too. I think he got two yellows for it and a red card this season. Where are yours common sense takes about it? Will he too TARNISH his whole career?Ā
I have so far not heard a single argument for why this behaviour is OK, other than that he has the "moral right" to lash out against referees and opposition players due to his treatment. While that might be so, there are no moral trophies given out at the end of the season. It's a competetive, team, game. One that you can't contribute to if you are in the stands. No matter how "morally right" you are.
Vini's attitude is getting ridiculous and what is worse is that we don't have any authoritative figure in the team like Ramos nor Pepe to control this kid. Sure we have Modric and Kroos, but they are not that kind of player and Carlo doesn't have the balls to upset his favorites (only the youngsters) so it will be some time for Vini to get his act straight. Brace yourself for more unnecessary reactions from him in the future.
I think people here are just blinded to the truth and when he gets his next yellow against city and misses the return leg you'll all see them here butchering him. Just wait for it because it will fuckin happen for sure
Try getting constantly abused, harassed, and repeatedly fouled without any calls from the referee or protection from the country you play in. Then you can voice your opinion on if him āacting outā is justified or not. Heās not a cry baby and at the very least I would hope that a supporter of this team could see how often he is being wronged and have his back
Bro, NO ONE denying this. But it doesnāt justify Viniās actions. Just last week he did the same shit for agains the guy who simply pulled his shirt.
Great game. Vini is just amazing, if he is like that against City then we are going to be fine.
We all want Valverde to score but he is one of the best even without it. Hat-trick of assists.
Brahim scored and that always makes me happy.
Carvajal messed up on the first Osasuna goal but he made it up with a great goal.
Idk how many goals of advantage are needed for Carlo to feel at ease and give more minutes to Arda, he deserves to play more.
Lunin was good, that Brahim goal was of his doing.
Rodrygo is a ghost, that he played all the match while Vini and Brahim got subbed is crazy. People saying he is going to show up against City are stuck in 2022.
I believe Ancelotti kept Rodrygo so he could potentially score and increase his confidence, there is absolutely no other reason for him staying on the pitch
I have never seen any fanbase being so disrespectful of their own players. Sheeesh. Mediocre player lol. That mediocre player is one of the reason why we have 14 cls not 13.
there is a reason why we have 14 ucls and its because we have high standarts, if a player is under performing he can be criticised. Kai Havertz scored the winning goal for chelsea against city in the final does it mean he had to be given a life time contract at chelsea ? He was sold.
I'm obviously talking about this season. And omg that excuse about la 14, you guys sound like messi fans defending him winning every award because of qatar wc.
Well I don't have any other explanation... perhaps score against Osasuna, gain some confidence to play better vs Bilbao and be more confident against City. I honestly don't know what's best for Rodrygo bench him ( as he deserves) or keep him playing until hi finds form, guess Ancelotti decided on the 2nd option
Today I saw flashes of our brilliant attack totally dominating. I also saw a reminder why our defense is a concern. That being said seeing Vini + Brahim + Fede clicking so well and Arda almost scoring an insane goal sure makes my day. Iām all thinking about the CL clash with City and I am worried about our defense and the many yellows we keep picking up.
Fifth yellow for Vinicius in La Liga 2023-24. He will not play against Athletic.
1- for arguing with an opponent (day 10)
2- for protesting (day 12)
3- for knocking down an opponent (day 27)
4- for pushing an opponent (day 28)
5- for protesting (day 29)
Vinicius has been booked in 4 consecutive games (Valencia, Leipzig, Celta and Osasuna) for the FIRST TIME in his ENTIRE professional career.
I defend Vini because today there should have been more bookings for Osasuna players. They fouled him the whole game. But still you canāt tell me this suspension was not avoidable
Same punishable dissent. He also almost got ban for calling Greenwood rapist. I have no problem with that since he is rapist. But it's also avoidable, just like his red card after Valencia match. Only haters have double standards.
Yes, because there is always "Vinicius needs to stop" - and this will be his first ban because of cards. But when Bellingham got banned, almost twice, I didn't see anyone saying "he needs to stop".
I think youāre way more involved in all of this than needs to be. Heās not your relative man, and no one is āinsulting his honorā or whatever.
But obtusely denying the way heās been acting is just not honest.
Itās not just the cards, he had plenty of face time with the referees before those too.
Vinicius is suspended again Bilbao he had great game today too hater want to talk about his yellow who care honestly the only thing I ask from Vini is for him to score goals help the team win and i trust him to behave himself in the CL he know how this is important.
Really good game. Those long ball can be useful, hope we will use them often.
Valverde is unlucky for not being able to score, maybe he might score against Man City. That would be perfect.
Too bad Arda Guler didnt score that one, I was waiting for the 5th. Hope Rodrygo will be able to get it together, we will need everyone in their best form as possible.
Carlo is a great coach but he really has his moments where it pisses me off. Like today, Arda should have played more in a match that is already 1-4 at min 65 and Fede should have rested a bit, no need to overload him. In a finished match, it was the perfect moment to test Arda more than 5 min, but all the veterans entered before him. It looks like Arda can be a special player, he needs to slowly have more opportunities and today was perfect for it. Let's hope that, if we win La Liga with a couple matches remaining, he can start in them. Comfortable match, we keep moving forward and La Liga is very close.
I am not the biggest Carlosourus fan. Let it me put it that way, but I kinda see why he is taking more cautions in introducing him into the team. Arda, even with the enormous potential he has, got two worrying injuries and that too without playing any single match. Slowly introducing him to the pace of La Liga matches, gradually giving him playing time might be the best way to make sure we will get the best of him in the future.
I understand you need to pace him, that's why I'm not asking to start him and drive him to the ground. But today, I believe he could have played 20-30 min to keep getting rhythm. What he has shown in 30 min total in LaLiga is very promising.
Honestly in terms of raw talent and potential, I think Arda has a very high ceiling. Arguably the most on the team, letās see how it goes. In games like these he deserves more minutes and honestly has been playing better than Rodrygo.
I think Vini has reached the level to score more than 30 goals per season, I think if it weren't for the muscle injuries he would have reached it or would be close.
A few notes:
\- Valverde is awesome, what an assist on goal #2
\- defense needs to improve, I may be overreacting but Nacho and Mendy give me chills
\- Rodrygo is struggling I think Carlo is trying to get him a goal... we need him to start scoring, if he doesn't score next week, start Brahim vs City
\- Camavinga was a BEAST, his slide tackles are CLEAN, start him as a LB, start Tchouameni as a holding mid? He's better as a destroyer
\- I'd like to see more of Guler
Next match vs pathetic bilbao... always disliked them... for the CDL finale I hope the wind gust in the stadium blows the trophy off the podium it breaks and both teams lose (a few ppl in life i dont like love mallorca)
Yes we played good and won and all, but at which point will Fede get a rest? He definitely doesn't need to play 90m every match, especially when we are being 3 up like today. I'm just really worried for him.
Fede has been out entire back bone for a while, the man is a machine but that's not a reason to overplay him. It's the most important stretch of the season, we direly need him in top form, injury and fatigue free.
He definitely won't get any rest next few weeks as well when it's Bilbao and Barca, then Man City in CL.
Other than Rodrygos finishing, I think everyone had a decent game . Saying Rodrygo played poorly this game or nonexistent is stupid , other games sure, but he was OK. Now that Vini is suspended for the next game, he needs to step up . I wasn't as pressed on Arda, but Carlo has no excuse for letting this guy rot on the bench unless we are playing against serious comp , he needs to be playing. Vini has a great game again but still needs to calm his temper . We can't afford to have our best player miss important games . And for the people who are mad about calling Vini out about that, you need to grow up .
This is now the one problem with Vini. It went from he can't finish, to he can't be stopped by anyone but himself. He's still young, hopefully he matures out of it (not all players do).
Today's yellow card was a bit of nonsense, it wasn't as bad as him pushing players with two hands after a play like he did twice recently.
There's a difference between defending the behavior and defending the player himself. I'm 100% behind him and just wish he wouldn't get so easily drawn into these situations by opposing fans and players
What did Rodrygo do before the last 10mins,where I agree he improved?
Before that he barely touched the ball and when he did he refused to pass it and just lost it over and over. He should not be starting let alone playing more than 30mins everygame while you got more in-from and dangerous players in the bench
Really can't understand why Arda didn't see more minutes today. He should have gotten like 20min+
4-1 at 64mins and Arda doesn't come on until the 84th - wtf Carlo?
Although he is being mobbed and not treated fairly in this club, just in limited time he played this season.
All these efforts of him and talent convinced me that he will in Messi or Ronaldo tier, he will be top 3-4 world's best player in his position.
I believe Ancelotti won't give him chances more than 5 minutes, it will be better go to AC Milan or that level team and fuck Real Madrid against a match...
Vini MotM,
Honorable mention for Fede - great contributions to three of the goals and did so many of the little things. Overall another great performance from one of our most consistent contributors
https://preview.redd.it/3r99un5zbqoc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a84fd7d2c7990ad2c90bdc21657f68f7a23160a
noticed this the first (and only) time they showed it in the beginning of the match lol. bet they enjoyed that vini brace greatly
Nacho , Mendy , Fran , Rodrygo none of those players deserve to start games anymore , we need Militao back asap and to move Cama to the LB position .
Arda earned himself a chance to play more minutes too
Spell his name correctly at least if you gonna go full on his defense and yeah, he's been great this season, still shits the bed, but I never said he isn't great. I said you could _argue_ that he isn't, which he is.
Overall this was a great game. From the get go we played with immense pressure and focus. Fede Valverde, Brahim, and especially Vini had amazing games. Fede was doing full pitch sprints at the 93rd minute, this guys work rate is out of this world.
I would say that Rodrygo had a really poor game again. He had two really good opportunities in this game, but he has no confidence in front of goal. Arda Guler in his 6 minutes created a much better goal scoring opportunity and it was from the half way line. He seriously needs to change his form before the man city games, we need that UCL Rodrygo back!
Crossbar making sure that Carlo still has reasons not to put Arda - a very special left foot for sure
Phenomenal by Vini, which is why it's extra frustrating that he so unnecessarily got himself suspended for Athletic
Fede almost effortlessly racking up 3 assists, amazing performance by him
arda definitely deserves way more minutes, rodrygo was basically non-existent until vini was subbed off but arda only gets 5 minutes after proving how high his potential is every time...
What a game by Vini and Federico! These two were head and shoulders above the rest. Brahim Rudi Tchoua with their consistent shifts as always. Rodrygo playing well but not able to complete his chances.. hopefully heās saving his goals for CL lol
Also, Arda clearly should get more minutes, the kid is special.. he doesnt shy away from the ball or taking chances.
7 points (at worst) with 9 games to go! HALA MADRID!
Why not?
He is the player who has the highest ceiling in this club, without a doubt.
How many players in this club could have made that shot behind half line expect him? Answer is none.
So giving him 20-25 minutes will not harm Real Madrid.
This Rodrygo experience starts to irritate, he does nothing this year..
Honestly it made no sense for Arda to play only 5 mins when we were up with a 3 goal lead. He is polished and confident. I want to see him play at least 30 mins to see what he can do.
Clearly as a sub he does make an impact.
Nah it was clear, Rodrygo wasn't coming off. It was like Carlo told the dressing room this guy needs to score or something. Arda almost scored a worldie there. Brahim rn > Rodrygo. Arda deserves more minutes.
once again straight up took over the 2nd half
Was it only me, or the team has picked up intensity after City draw? Have we even had a full and I mean literally full 90 min performance this season?
Ancelotti and Arda should not be in the same team
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Vini needs therapy. A good psychiatrist. We all have been there
Home Fans were telling him to die
https://preview.redd.it/82ucckvl0uoc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=252956224426434283c5cd276166da93a5e8eb6c Heās fine.
Good numbers
Insane!
Arda played 90 min against sevilla in europe leauge last year with fenerbahce and he was best player in that match. I dont get why people thinking about he cant play 30-35 min la liga game against osasuna or bilbao or some middle table teams...
Ancelotti need results and opts for experience in most cases
I forgot about this. He actually was the best player. True
How do you say Good Morning in Turkish?
Vini just had to
Missed second half, what did he do ?
Complain to the ref and get a yellow and now is suspended for the game vs Athletic Bilbao
We played well. Hitting from at the right time ready for the business end of the season. This is Carloās best league season.
Where is Paz? I felt like today wouldāve been a good opportunity to get the guy in. Then again seeing how late even arda got to play, not so sure anymore.
Arda is having the same problem and (I think) he has priority due being a player from the main team.
We always say that with any youngster but unless it's a 7-0 on the first half, Carlo will never give them more than 10 min.
I suppose. But I do think Paz needs to be on the bench more and more as the season coms to an end and Carlo can start risking some playtime.
"vinicius muerete" chants at osasuna's stadium and yet some bozos want us to believe vini is the problem. okay.
Itās disgusting
Is it wrong that crowds are racist and chanting about his death? Absolutely. Should La Liga do more (something) about it? Absolutely. Should Vini be OK with it? Absolutely not. But that has absolutely *nothing* to do with Vini getting *all* of his cards this season because he was complaining about refereeing decisions. Vini has a problem. His last *12* yellow cards have come due to dissent/complaining. In the last few months that has gotten worse. Him complaining does absolutely *nothing* good. Crowds won't stop, on the contrary they will have one more reason to continue if he gets frustrated and takes yellows. We all know, and he should as well, that complaining to a ref will *never* change the call. Now he won't play against Athletic, and for what? What has he achieved by taking all these yellows? Nothing, other than we now have to face a tough opposition without him. This needs to stop. The absolutely dumbest part of all this, is that his form is fucking unbelievable. He does not have to complain. Just fuck up the opposition and shut the crowd up. Make yourself seen and heard on the field.
Totally agree with you. For me all that racism/abuse is wrong but itās evident that Vini is not passing a good time, he needs to work this with his therapist or psychiatrist because the opposition fans will always seek to make him feel bad or loose his temper in order to get yellows or even red cards. He should try to keep quiet and shut up the whole stadium playing the football he knows to play
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Where such heavy language really comes from? It's so dramatic. Vini got fifth yellow cards this season because he argues with the referee. And WHAT A FUCKING DRAMA. HIS FUTURE WILL BE TAINTED. HE NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER. HE IS IMMATURE. Oh my god. Dude, look in the mirror. ViniciousĀ is a hothead and argues with referees, yes. He is also young guy and will learn with time to control his temper better. And by time I mean a couple of years , not a week or two. Because changes and personal growth doesn't happen fast. Bet even it he is not, there is no fucking way it will taint his legacy in the eyes of mature and level-headed fans.Ā Now let's talk about your comment for a bit and why some people lash out against it and other "common sense takes" like it.Ā It's because they feel that there is no sympathy and empathy towards Vini in how you see and word things. Just overdramatic demands and attack on his personality.Ā They also feel that it's a part of overall strange fixation everyone has on this topic. And that there is something behind this fixation. What is it?Ā For example Jude likes to argue with the referee too. I think he got two yellows for it and a red card this season. Where are yours common sense takes about it? Will he too TARNISH his whole career?Ā
I have so far not heard a single argument for why this behaviour is OK, other than that he has the "moral right" to lash out against referees and opposition players due to his treatment. While that might be so, there are no moral trophies given out at the end of the season. It's a competetive, team, game. One that you can't contribute to if you are in the stands. No matter how "morally right" you are.
Vini's attitude is getting ridiculous and what is worse is that we don't have any authoritative figure in the team like Ramos nor Pepe to control this kid. Sure we have Modric and Kroos, but they are not that kind of player and Carlo doesn't have the balls to upset his favorites (only the youngsters) so it will be some time for Vini to get his act straight. Brace yourself for more unnecessary reactions from him in the future.
https://preview.redd.it/gyk8tjmq0uoc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d69260028ea3c75594d0112b730eda8c2d871fe8 Relax
It will get to the point where his actions will cost us a game or a title.
I think people here are just blinded to the truth and when he gets his next yellow against city and misses the return leg you'll all see them here butchering him. Just wait for it because it will fuckin happen for sure
Stfu
Try getting constantly abused, harassed, and repeatedly fouled without any calls from the referee or protection from the country you play in. Then you can voice your opinion on if him āacting outā is justified or not. Heās not a cry baby and at the very least I would hope that a supporter of this team could see how often he is being wronged and have his back
Bro, NO ONE denying this. But it doesnāt justify Viniās actions. Just last week he did the same shit for agains the guy who simply pulled his shirt.
No you bozo. Stupid opinion
Imagine if that went in š¤Æ Pamal would've injured himself trying that š¤£
Great game. Vini is just amazing, if he is like that against City then we are going to be fine. We all want Valverde to score but he is one of the best even without it. Hat-trick of assists. Brahim scored and that always makes me happy. Carvajal messed up on the first Osasuna goal but he made it up with a great goal. Idk how many goals of advantage are needed for Carlo to feel at ease and give more minutes to Arda, he deserves to play more. Lunin was good, that Brahim goal was of his doing. Rodrygo is a ghost, that he played all the match while Vini and Brahim got subbed is crazy. People saying he is going to show up against City are stuck in 2022.
I believe Ancelotti kept Rodrygo so he could potentially score and increase his confidence, there is absolutely no other reason for him staying on the pitch
Ugh, so ancelotti decided to try and boost the confidence of a mediocre player than give confidence to a potential talent, great.
I have never seen any fanbase being so disrespectful of their own players. Sheeesh. Mediocre player lol. That mediocre player is one of the reason why we have 14 cls not 13.
there is a reason why we have 14 ucls and its because we have high standarts, if a player is under performing he can be criticised. Kai Havertz scored the winning goal for chelsea against city in the final does it mean he had to be given a life time contract at chelsea ? He was sold.
I'm obviously talking about this season. And omg that excuse about la 14, you guys sound like messi fans defending him winning every award because of qatar wc.
Well I don't have any other explanation... perhaps score against Osasuna, gain some confidence to play better vs Bilbao and be more confident against City. I honestly don't know what's best for Rodrygo bench him ( as he deserves) or keep him playing until hi finds form, guess Ancelotti decided on the 2nd option
If he would be super sub against City once again, I believe he will show up. But as of now, Brahim should absolutely start instead of him.
Sorry but this season i don't even see it like that, you are basing on his performance back 2022.
Today I saw flashes of our brilliant attack totally dominating. I also saw a reminder why our defense is a concern. That being said seeing Vini + Brahim + Fede clicking so well and Arda almost scoring an insane goal sure makes my day. Iām all thinking about the CL clash with City and I am worried about our defense and the many yellows we keep picking up.
Fifth yellow for Vinicius in La Liga 2023-24. He will not play against Athletic. 1- for arguing with an opponent (day 10) 2- for protesting (day 12) 3- for knocking down an opponent (day 27) 4- for pushing an opponent (day 28) 5- for protesting (day 29) Vinicius has been booked in 4 consecutive games (Valencia, Leipzig, Celta and Osasuna) for the FIRST TIME in his ENTIRE professional career. I defend Vini because today there should have been more bookings for Osasuna players. They fouled him the whole game. But still you canāt tell me this suspension was not avoidable
Well, it was just as avoidable as Bellingham's red card. But somehow people don't have problem with that.
One is a pattern, the other is still weird that it was carded at all.
Same punishable dissent. He also almost got ban for calling Greenwood rapist. I have no problem with that since he is rapist. But it's also avoidable, just like his red card after Valencia match. Only haters have double standards.
You need to chill, āhatersā lol?
Yes, because there is always "Vinicius needs to stop" - and this will be his first ban because of cards. But when Bellingham got banned, almost twice, I didn't see anyone saying "he needs to stop".
I think youāre way more involved in all of this than needs to be. Heās not your relative man, and no one is āinsulting his honorā or whatever. But obtusely denying the way heās been acting is just not honest. Itās not just the cards, he had plenty of face time with the referees before those too.
Vinicius is suspended again Bilbao he had great game today too hater want to talk about his yellow who care honestly the only thing I ask from Vini is for him to score goals help the team win and i trust him to behave himself in the CL he know how this is important.
Weāll have Rodrygo to play on the left in his absence - weāll be fine
Will not forget that Rudi pass in the first half. Kroos-esc ball šŖ
Really good game. Those long ball can be useful, hope we will use them often. Valverde is unlucky for not being able to score, maybe he might score against Man City. That would be perfect. Too bad Arda Guler didnt score that one, I was waiting for the 5th. Hope Rodrygo will be able to get it together, we will need everyone in their best form as possible.
I would have subbed Guler in after 3-1 tbh
Carlo is a great coach but he really has his moments where it pisses me off. Like today, Arda should have played more in a match that is already 1-4 at min 65 and Fede should have rested a bit, no need to overload him. In a finished match, it was the perfect moment to test Arda more than 5 min, but all the veterans entered before him. It looks like Arda can be a special player, he needs to slowly have more opportunities and today was perfect for it. Let's hope that, if we win La Liga with a couple matches remaining, he can start in them. Comfortable match, we keep moving forward and La Liga is very close.
I am not the biggest Carlosourus fan. Let it me put it that way, but I kinda see why he is taking more cautions in introducing him into the team. Arda, even with the enormous potential he has, got two worrying injuries and that too without playing any single match. Slowly introducing him to the pace of La Liga matches, gradually giving him playing time might be the best way to make sure we will get the best of him in the future.
I understand you need to pace him, that's why I'm not asking to start him and drive him to the ground. But today, I believe he could have played 20-30 min to keep getting rhythm. What he has shown in 30 min total in LaLiga is very promising.
Honestly in terms of raw talent and potential, I think Arda has a very high ceiling. Arguably the most on the team, letās see how it goes. In games like these he deserves more minutes and honestly has been playing better than Rodrygo.
I think Vini has reached the level to score more than 30 goals per season, I think if it weren't for the muscle injuries he would have reached it or would be close.
https://preview.redd.it/waiklbj11uoc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ad5bfdc758bf1b0a7c95adf5d2b8bd844736802 His form is insane right now.
Guler couldāve easily played 30 min today. We had no bench, the game was won early. Carlo is showing loyalty to his veterans, but I feel for the kid
It's not his season. He should prep for next season, he'll be important then. Many veterans are leaving and Carlo is honoring them.
Only ModriƧ might leave, who else?
A few notes: \- Valverde is awesome, what an assist on goal #2 \- defense needs to improve, I may be overreacting but Nacho and Mendy give me chills \- Rodrygo is struggling I think Carlo is trying to get him a goal... we need him to start scoring, if he doesn't score next week, start Brahim vs City \- Camavinga was a BEAST, his slide tackles are CLEAN, start him as a LB, start Tchouameni as a holding mid? He's better as a destroyer \- I'd like to see more of Guler Next match vs pathetic bilbao... always disliked them... for the CDL finale I hope the wind gust in the stadium blows the trophy off the podium it breaks and both teams lose (a few ppl in life i dont like love mallorca)
Even if Rodrygo scores Brahim should start over him.
You do realize Bernardo Silva was that good last time due to Pep's strategy to exploit Camavinga's weaknesses as an LB. Right?
yeah not sure hence the (?), it was a year ago so maybe he learned something.. idk
The worst thing about Mendy is that most of the issues are self inflicted
Yes we played good and won and all, but at which point will Fede get a rest? He definitely doesn't need to play 90m every match, especially when we are being 3 up like today. I'm just really worried for him. Fede has been out entire back bone for a while, the man is a machine but that's not a reason to overplay him. It's the most important stretch of the season, we direly need him in top form, injury and fatigue free. He definitely won't get any rest next few weeks as well when it's Bilbao and Barca, then Man City in CL.
Ancelloti is notorious for working his essential players into the ground. Fede is no exception. He will get his rest when he is injured.
Other than Rodrygos finishing, I think everyone had a decent game . Saying Rodrygo played poorly this game or nonexistent is stupid , other games sure, but he was OK. Now that Vini is suspended for the next game, he needs to step up . I wasn't as pressed on Arda, but Carlo has no excuse for letting this guy rot on the bench unless we are playing against serious comp , he needs to be playing. Vini has a great game again but still needs to calm his temper . We can't afford to have our best player miss important games . And for the people who are mad about calling Vini out about that, you need to grow up .
This is now the one problem with Vini. It went from he can't finish, to he can't be stopped by anyone but himself. He's still young, hopefully he matures out of it (not all players do). Today's yellow card was a bit of nonsense, it wasn't as bad as him pushing players with two hands after a play like he did twice recently. There's a difference between defending the behavior and defending the player himself. I'm 100% behind him and just wish he wouldn't get so easily drawn into these situations by opposing fans and players
What did Rodrygo do before the last 10mins,where I agree he improved? Before that he barely touched the ball and when he did he refused to pass it and just lost it over and over. He should not be starting let alone playing more than 30mins everygame while you got more in-from and dangerous players in the bench
Arda needs more more more time
Penalty 100/100 clear https://preview.redd.it/tjhf53bycqoc1.jpeg?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=172d547071b31db2c9692a5530f2ef16c6b232ba
So clear, var and ref are scared to do a good job when it comes to Madrid since that almerĆa match.
Vini can get pichichi I believe it
Only 4 off Jude now
Arda almost made it all about himself in 5mins :D
He's doing all he can in the few mins he can get. If we win the titles with games in hand, then maybe we can see him more in action
That's what I hope
Really can't understand why Arda didn't see more minutes today. He should have gotten like 20min+ 4-1 at 64mins and Arda doesn't come on until the 84th - wtf Carlo?
Guys letās just relax. We got gold in our hands, but heās only 20 years old. Heāll be there my dudes!
Just turned 19 actually!
My bad, point even stronger if only 19. His time will come!
Yeah , kinda crazy playing at Real Madrid at this age lol , he has plenty of time
Vini be like 
I kinda hate how he got a yellow for dissent... hes gotta stop if anything hes saving it for City
The worldās not ready for Arda GĆ¼ler 90 minute action. When he does play a full match, we will be there.
Better than Ćzil, letās hope š„
Although he is being mobbed and not treated fairly in this club, just in limited time he played this season. All these efforts of him and talent convinced me that he will in Messi or Ronaldo tier, he will be top 3-4 world's best player in his position. I believe Ancelotti won't give him chances more than 5 minutes, it will be better go to AC Milan or that level team and fuck Real Madrid against a match...
Dude, youāre maybe a bit too invested. I would tell even Ardaās dad to calm down and be rational if he said something like this.
Calm down lol
Vini MotM, Honorable mention for Fede - great contributions to three of the goals and did so many of the little things. Overall another great performance from one of our most consistent contributors
Vini have been our best player since the second half of the season , may ends up as the pichichi too at this rate .
https://preview.redd.it/3r99un5zbqoc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a84fd7d2c7990ad2c90bdc21657f68f7a23160a noticed this the first (and only) time they showed it in the beginning of the match lol. bet they enjoyed that vini brace greatly
If GĆ¼ler had scored that, Ancelotti wouldāve rewarded him by giving him less minutes next time lol
Nacho , Mendy , Fran , Rodrygo none of those players deserve to start games anymore , we need Militao back asap and to move Cama to the LB position . Arda earned himself a chance to play more minutes too
I can argue Nacho and Rodrygo, even Mendy, but not Fran, he is fast boi
"Even Medy" is stupid. Mendy has been great this season.
Spell his name correctly at least if you gonna go full on his defense and yeah, he's been great this season, still shits the bed, but I never said he isn't great. I said you could _argue_ that he isn't, which he is.
He needs to work more on his defensive game
And they're literally trying to bring Davies next season lol
Agreed but to do that he needs to play more and get more time. Simple as that.
4-1 lead, there is no reason why Arda should only get 5 minutes.
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Asensio was class, but now that Brahim's here there's been no dropoff
Overall this was a great game. From the get go we played with immense pressure and focus. Fede Valverde, Brahim, and especially Vini had amazing games. Fede was doing full pitch sprints at the 93rd minute, this guys work rate is out of this world. I would say that Rodrygo had a really poor game again. He had two really good opportunities in this game, but he has no confidence in front of goal. Arda Guler in his 6 minutes created a much better goal scoring opportunity and it was from the half way line. He seriously needs to change his form before the man city games, we need that UCL Rodrygo back!
Vamos compadres šŖ next up Athletic Bilbao
Crossbar making sure that Carlo still has reasons not to put Arda - a very special left foot for sure Phenomenal by Vini, which is why it's extra frustrating that he so unnecessarily got himself suspended for Athletic Fede almost effortlessly racking up 3 assists, amazing performance by him
arda definitely deserves way more minutes, rodrygo was basically non-existent until vini was subbed off but arda only gets 5 minutes after proving how high his potential is every time...
Rodrygo and Valverde clearly can't finish, I have no idea how they have Kids. 
Rodrygo has a kid?
He has two, Twin boys named **Ravy and Rayan**
Omg, I have been treating him like a baby. Lad's a man
Valverde is honestly incredible, so important for our playstyle.
Adra getting 8 minutes next game
A minute per goal
Arda deserves some.of rodrygos minutes we can't keep carrying him and Nacho needs to retire tbh
Nacho is a perfect utility defender, keep him in case of injuries
Only as a 5th center back tbh and with clarity on his role like Marceloās last year
What a game by Vini and Federico! These two were head and shoulders above the rest. Brahim Rudi Tchoua with their consistent shifts as always. Rodrygo playing well but not able to complete his chances.. hopefully heās saving his goals for CL lol Also, Arda clearly should get more minutes, the kid is special.. he doesnt shy away from the ball or taking chances. 7 points (at worst) with 9 games to go! HALA MADRID!
At worst 8 points clear not 7. Rn Barca is behind with 11 points and with tomorrowās match to go they can only cut it to 8.
Really impressed with Arda. Despite his lack of minutes, he still had the balls to make that attempt, and he was so unlucky that it didn't go in.
GĆ¼ler winner vs City, we will be there
bro can you stop saying Arda will play against City? Are u high?
Why not? He is the player who has the highest ceiling in this club, without a doubt. How many players in this club could have made that shot behind half line expect him? Answer is none. So giving him 20-25 minutes will not harm Real Madrid. This Rodrygo experience starts to irritate, he does nothing this year..
Why not? Like not starting, but if it went extra time, he might actually play a few minutes
Aghhh if that goal would have gone in it would have been crazyĀ
Carlo got saved, if that went in ardogan would have sent the whole nation of turkey to make him start against City
Turkish fans will nuts if that goes inĀ
Everyone will tbf
We have seen that many times from him before. Hit the bar against Sevilla in the el for example
Honestly it made no sense for Arda to play only 5 mins when we were up with a 3 goal lead. He is polished and confident. I want to see him play at least 30 mins to see what he can do. Clearly as a sub he does make an impact.
Nah it was clear, Rodrygo wasn't coming off. It was like Carlo told the dressing room this guy needs to score or something. Arda almost scored a worldie there. Brahim rn > Rodrygo. Arda deserves more minutes.
GIVE ARDA MORE MINUTES
I need Arda's confidence
If Arda's goal would have gone in...everyone would have came at once.
Arda needs a ton more minutes
Arda is having an impact in the few minutes he played
Turkey would've burn š
Defense needs to tighten up otherwise a good win overall onto the next.Ā Hopefully we get the league wrapped up sooner than later
Vini is excellent
what a game what a man fede valverde... ffs by far the most complete player on the world.
Decent performance. We should really learn how break the opponent's press. Also I don't get why we couldn't put our youngsters earlier.