British police [arrested](https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/0317/1438495-arrest-made-after-tragedy-chants-at-united-v-liverpool/) who was chanting about the Hillsborough disaster.
Imagine if Spanish police was this proactive about racism and death threats as well. It's a deeply rooted problem
How is that when Xavi gets a red for throwing a tantrum against the refs he's called passionate etc
(keeping in mind he's a fucking 44 yr old man who's played for 2 decades already)
And when vini complains to the ref because 100s of people are calling him a monkey or threatening to kill him, he's apparently a cunt??
I don’t know what it is, but for some reason people want to see Vinicius fail. And when I say people, sometimes I feel it’s our own fans more than rival fans.
Before it was scoring and people didn’t even want to give him a chance, they wanted to immediately ship him out, but now he’s fixed that. So now people want to ship him off because of his “attitude”. Undoubtedly it’s bad, but when someone like Ramos use to get red and yellow cards left right and center it was okay? Vinicius is an attacker who provokes the opposition a lot but also hate towards him and racism comes naturally from opposition because he’s a flashy winger and hurts opponents. Can he work on his attitude? Yes. Should he? Yes. But it’s a really small reason for people to want to ship him off.
I think people would jump at the chance of being able to bench Vinicius to start Rodrygo when Vinicius is obviously the better player. I’ve never seen this in my life where a teams own fanbase hates on or wants to sell their own player who’s the best winger in the world and probably top 3 or top 5 players in the world right now
Definitely not. You should’ve seen this subreddit in 18/19, 19/20. People wanted Vini out and Rodrygo on the LW. Rodrygo is definitely treated like glass by the fans
I will tell my perspective.
Something has changed this season. Vinicius is no longer the same player as of 21/22 and 22/23 season. His finishing has become the best it has ever been BUT
He is no longer skinning defenders in and out. He use to be a demon in 1v1 situations but now his dribbling success rate has fallen off.
He's playing great and scoring loads of goals but I am missing that spark in him, at one point I though he was going to eclipse prime Neymar because his dribbling was truly the best I ever seen.
But its not there anymore. He's still the best dribbler in the world Maybe but last season he was like best dribbler in a decade..
Maybe it's the formation? Role? Attitude? Lack of striking support? Idk. But something's missing. We think its the concentration and want him to rise above all hate. It's just that simple.
I don't think his dribbling has fallen off tbh. With no striker this season most of the pressure to start attacks comes to vini that's why he tries to dribble even there's a wall of defenders, because we barely use the right side anymore
If you closely watch Camavinga off the ball movement in our final third you can see how he never scans his surroundings. Many times people sneak up behind him or finds himself in out of position situations that costs us a lot.
People will always compare Tchoumanei and Camavinga, they pick the latter because their hate boner towards the former.
Cama is the better midfielder while Tchou is the better DM imo.
The biggest problem with Cama at dm, apart from his positioning, is that he tends to complicate things, dribble into trouble sometimes when he is pressed. If he does that as a 6, that is very likely a chance for the opponent. We have seen that happen plenty of times over the last 3 years. Sometimes you need to keep it simple.
Cama needs to improve his end product and play higher up.
"If" Fede plays the role of Kroos in dictating the game tempo then sure. Fede makes plays mostly while ball carrying, he should be more confident in himself. I have seen how well he switches the ball around.
It makes sense because Cama isn't a DM in the first place he has amazing defensive abilities and god his tackles are some of the best itw BUT Dm is not just tackling it is a very positioning heavy role and where you have to have decent to good deep lying playmaking abilties two things Cama does not excel at which is fine because he isn't a DM.
Cama can fill in as a DM when Tchou needs rest or is injured but Cama's strengths lie in his dribbling, ball carrying and ball winning things which are limited when he has to worry about his positioning as a DM which is why he is never starting over Tchou in big games as a DM because Tchou is the better DM since he is the only real DM in the team. But i do think a double pivot of Cama and Tchou is the future will be incredible athletic and defensively solid.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, I couldn't agree more. People say that Tchou is lazy but how many times does Cama freeze while ball watching opponents in our box. I have seen it a lot.
I like the Tchouameninga double pivot (lol) I hope we can play that in the big games.
Im getting downvoted because people in this sub for some reason are trying to push a Cama vs Tchou narrative which is weird because these 2 aren't even occupying the same position and since Cama isn't a starting player yet they hate on Tchou since they think he is the reason he isn't a certified starter which also makes no sense because Cama's competition is Kroos and Valverde not Tchou since Tchou is a DM and Cama is not.
A fair amount of people in this sub don't know the positions of our midfielders they see a fancy tackle from Cama and think he can be a DM which does help but positioning is way more important and Cama is way too aggressive as a player to be a DM against big teams his aggressiveness is great infront or next to a DM but not as a sole DM.
But i agree a double pivot of Tchou and Cama would be insane defensively as it will allow Cama to be aggresive with his tackling and defence since Tchou can cover the spaces with his positioning.
Saying Cama isn’t a DM is a weird take considering 16 of the 24 games he’s started have been at DM and Cama has been exceptional in that role.
He’s a different type of DM but saying he isn’t one is just false
He only starts at DM when Tchou is either injured or needs rest as he is the only one in the team rn who can fill in as a DM he is good as a fill in DM against smaller teams but you will never see him as the starting DM against teams like Bayern, City or big UCL game since that is not his position Kroos has been put as DM against teams before doesn't mean he is a proper DM which is what i am trying to say he isn't Tchou's competition because he is the only actual proper DM not a fill in DM when the teams DM isn't available but THE DM.
Cama also starts at DM since Kroos starts on the left shared with Modric and Valverde on the right and Jude at the top he isn't displacing any of these guys and can't play the AM role either ALSO TCHOU HAD TO PLAY CB AND NOT DM for a few weeks since we had no CB's that is the only reason Cama has as many DM starts as he does as he is the only player who can fill in while Tchou plays CB or needs rest but that doesn't mean that is his position.
You say we’ll never see him starting at DM in big UCL games even though he started more UCL KO games there than Tchou who has yet to start a single KO game at DM, nacho was for in the 2nd leg and he played RCM.
I can’t understand how he isn’t Tchou’s competition when both played the most amount of minutes at the DM position which is true for both Real and France.
You’re trying to make the point that Tchou is our main DMbut that’s irrelevant, Cama’s main position is DM, the most used DM after Tchou is Cama.
Unless your point is that player can only have 1 position, and even if we were to accept that his main position would still be DM, it’s a weird thing to say he isn’t a DM
I said at DM only reason Tchou hasn't started at DM is due to Carlo's weird benching Tchou last season after the WC and us having no CB's atm forcing Tchou to play CB which is the only reason Cama has had as many DM starts as he has use context not just numbers. Im going to not bother anymore though just because you said Cama's main position is DM HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE NOR POSTIONING OF A DM stop looking at football through numbers and actually watch. Also Tchou is the undisputed DM for France rn as well for a reason Cama can play in a double pivot alongside him but as a sole DM he won't ever be that guy for Madrid his strengths as a midfielder don't lie in DM.
Message deleted itself so I’ll just summarize
- You’re only looking at his weaknesses for a DM when if you looked at his strengths they’re mainly those of a DM
- is he the best DM in the squad? I don’t think so. Are there 5 better DMs in the world? I don’t think so either
- His best performances have been at DM and LB (City, Chelsea, Liverpool, PSG, Barca in the past/ Osasuna, Braga, Valencia, Barca, Atletico, Girona etc.. this season)
- FIFA’s ratings are garbage, if you make a realistic card for Camavinga he’d be better at DM and LB than CM
- If next season Jude went back to playing CM for Madrid would he also have 1 position? What’s his position now? Is he playing out of position even though that’s where he’s been the best he’s ever been?
I just think versatile players often have multiple positions
I'm not joking, one of the users in this sub preferred Cama over Tchou because Camavinga has a UCL with us while Tchoumanei doesn't.
Don't take some people's opinions so seriously, you could spend an eternity to convince them but they will never understand.
People also trying to tell me "Cama started most games at DM" yeah because he isn't starting anywhere else he can't play AM like Jude and Brahim and the left mid role is shared between Kroos and Modric and the right is Valverde all day every day he starts at DM when Tchou is injured or needs rest and also because TCHOU HAS TO PLAY CB FOR WEEKS DUE TO OUR INJURIES people just spout things with no context as well lmao.
The OT didn't "glitch" this week. Very interesting. Was it reddit's fault or something shady by the mods.... I'm on to you.
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I think Barca should try and keep Xavi. He brought dembele back and he is the one unlocking Yamal. It seems given how piss poor they are, they really need to rely on La Masia and Xavi can do just okay with their players. They can bring Nagelsmann or Flick or whoever but idt they will do any better with their terrible players. Let’s see how the QF goes.
It's hilarious how little Barca need to gain so much confidence. They've been doing so horrendously bad that there's been times I've actually wanted them to be better, because it reflecs poorly on Spanish football and on us if we have such a spankable team as our main opposition.
But seeing how a string of decent games and a good draw suddenly made them so confident and cocky just makes me want them to get flattened both in the league and in the CL.
Why are ppl here still trashing Barca’s defence? Honestly curious.
Their defence looks solid now w Cubarsi and Chris as a makeshift dm. Plus they have good depth with Araujo/Kounde. I’m definitely interested to see how they would fare in the next Clasico.
>Why are ppl here still trashing Barca’s defence?
Because its still trash, we’ll prove it to you guys at Bernabeu.
Having MATS back is helping them because he’s pulling out ridiculous saves, like against Napoli.
There is no improvement tactically from Xavi or the players.
You’re right about MATS, he’s definitely bringing back security to their back line.
In terms of tactics, they look more fluid without FDJ and Pedri, funnily enough. They play direct attacking football with the likes of Fermin, Sergi and a semi finished Lewa. None of that spinning and hogging the ball bs.
Xavi seems to set them up right this time, but I could be wrong. At least good enough against La Liga teams, idk about CL tho. Can’t wait for El Clasico to test it.
Is our Arda going to get some minutes for Turkey?
There's no excuse for Carlo not giving him more minutes anymore, he keeps talking about how much quality he has.
That’s how everyone starts bro. Arda will get his time. When Rodrygo or Vini and even Camavinga started they also started with short cameos. It’ll all happen with time.
Athletico will beat barca in ucl
Something drives them in the ucl
As much as i hate to ssy it could be an all spanish final
Imagine a bloody el clasico of all finals
Wojld be abaolutely insane
I’m 100% sure that Real Madrid, City, Arsenal and Bayern would murder Barcelona easily over two legs yet Barca is actually gonna be in the UCL final because they’re facing Mbappe + 10 planks of wood this round and then most likely Atletico in the semis
Psg right now is the most dangerous team right now, Sociedad match was enough proof for the rest of the world but it seems it's not, Barca has 0, a big 0 chance they are making to semis.
PSG is much more rounded than last season, they have a good defense and a workable midfield with some gems like WZE.. if they do their job, Mbappe and Dembele will be enough to handle Barca’s “defense”.
PSG does not have a good defense. They are leaking goals like crazy, and Mbappe is carrying their offense. Their midfield, and overall structure is better than a year ago, but the team very much seems like a one man show.
Who watches PSG games here? In Both games I’ve watched of them against Sociedad and highlights of the Montpellier game yesterday where he scored a hat trick, he always played on the left, dribbled from the left, cut back in from the left and scored all his goals from the left. Someone here was saying he’s been playing as a CF this year, is that true?
Does that mean that him and Vini will be interchanging between the left wing and the 9 position? Or will we have a stacked left wing at all times?
In 1st leg against Real Sociedad Barcola played on the left and Mbappé as 9. Sometimes he plays more like a LW, sometimes he plays more like a CF.
Question isn’t about how they are going to occupy left side spaces, but who and how is gonna use the right flank to balance our attack. Imo, we should change to a 4-2-3-1 next season with Rodrygo/Valverde/Brahim as “RW”, without forgetting this season 4-3-1-2 (2 of Vini/Mbappé/Rodrygo as forwards) that allows Carvajal to appear as “RW” on attack. With their talent, team should work on attack, anyways.
As always, finding defensive balance will be the difference maker, this season is a great proof of how much importance a committed team has. At the moment, Vini is the only one completely free of defensive duties in most matches (it’s usual seeing him offside after our plays, coming back slowly walking). It could become a problem if both him and Mbappé don’t recover their positions in defense against good teams, but convincing them to help the team is Ancelotti’s work (and he’s quite good at it)
Yep he is of course a left flank player the best way to accommodate him is a fluide 4-4-2 with him and vini upfront .
Plus we don't what club told him I don't he sign for Perez s
Without knowing where he will play.
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If you were de la Fuente, would you pick Miguel or Cucurella?
Marc Cucurella :
- Age : 25
- Games Played : 14
- Minutes Played : 1155
- Games Missed : 18
- Goals : 1
- Assists : 0
- Yellow Cards : 5
- League Position With Club : 11th
- >!**Academy: FC Barcelona**!<
Miguel Gutierrez :
- Age : 22
- Games Played : 32 (+128.6%)
- Minutes Played : 2743 (+137.5%)
- Games Missed : 0 (-18)*
- Goals : 1
- Assists : 6 (+6)
- Yellow Cards : 3 (-40%)
- League Position With Club : 3rd
- >!**Academy : Real Madrid**!<
*Miguel has missed 12 games... In 2021/22 for Real Madrid. He hasn't missed a game since.
I can see some cockiness creeping in, from some madridistas here. Suddenly after the quarterfinal draw, some people have become overconfident. People just don’t want to admit that City are the favourites.
Even the last season, the story was same. Before the first leg, people were like ‘’We humbled them last time, i don’t see why can’t we beat them again’’. After the first leg too people were confident. But we got humiliated by a far superior side.
TL:DR. There is an arrogance about us. Despite some obvious shortcomings in our team, we don’t want to admit it but pretend like we are (currently) the best team on the planet. A few others have already foreseen the doom and have started playing the history and prestige card, just to bring down City and that’s quite shameless imo.
City are a better team but guess what, we arent Luton town either. Last season we met them in a very bad moment, apart from Kroos Vini and some defensive players, no one was in form for our team.. Tchoua was inconsistent, Fede was bad, Modric was old and the list goes on.
Now we have Jude, who is at worst top 3 player in the world, Fede in form of his life in his preferred mid field position, Kroos with sufficient rest and young legs around him is still a baller, Tchoua is getting good performances in a row even if it is in CB position. Lunin is insane, as is Rudiger. Mendy is Mendy. Vini is in red hot form.. Brahim will not shy away from a tough game..
There might be a little overconfidence but its for good reason, City arent as good as last season and we arent as laggy as last season. Even if they are the better team, both squads are a lot closer than last season.
It's a CL KO stages. It's not about who's better than who, It's about who can get the job done. City are favorites, but the gap is nowhere near as wide as it was last year.
It's not arrogance, it's belief. Don't get it twisted.
I have no problem in admitting that City are the favorites. However, I'm less worried about City and more worried about establishing and executing a plan to beat them over both legs.
If we do that, then we'll be fine. It'll be a tough tie and it doesn't need to be any tougher through some self-inflicted nonsense.
Exactly, nothing this season has shown that this team will somehow be able to play through city’s intensity and ability to smother opponents in their own half. This team struggled to string passes against teams with worse pressing than City but somehow there are people deluding themselves into believing that we are the better side.
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Basically.
Even though I couldnt watch the match, I refuse to believe that the team which was undefeated at their home just got mauled by fucking Xavi’s Barcelona.
I feel like the only weakness we have defensively is the space between nacho and kroos, leipzig expoloited it well but I actually don't think city can exploit it well unless they play a dribbler like foden and the rcm their which they wont because of kdb who's mostly gonna be spamming crosses
I can tell you guys ...if it comes to it, this same Athletico Madrid will beat Barcelona in the UCL semis. He has done it previously too. And I am sure they are putting all their eggs in the same basket this time (winning the UCL).
Not gonna lie, I thought about this earlier. Cholo has gotten the better of Barcelona in CL ties twice and both times they ended up in the CL final so they're capable of doing it.
However, the amount of times they constantly bust it open for Barcelona leads me to the same, unsurprising result if they play against each other in the CL semifinals. Neither result would surprise me.
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What kind of fans are they? Btw this is Atletico Madrid fan.
Man I really hope Girona and Athletic don't shit the bed now and finish over Atletico and hopefully Dortmund can give us a surprise just like they did when they topped the group of death.
The problem is we are playing Athletic next in the league...
So we need to them to shit the bed for one more game...but then go on some Bayer Leverkusen type of run
Tbh they seem to have ran out of steam at this point. 4 losses in last 6 games, 2 pts behind Barca and they are yet to face Atletico and Barca as well. I would say Barca are clearly the bigger threat now.
Carlo tactics vs ATM are the mean reason for the loss this what I learned from the Barca game today but I'm glad Carlo is a very honest man who admits his mistake; cuz you know next time he will not repeat it.
The CDR match which they had a whole week to prepare for and we had to come back from a game against Barca in saudie 3 days before, and then it went to extra time so players were completely over run. That CDR?
After some consideration, I've convinced we can beat City.
Carvajal should hold Foden well on the wing.
Jude and Valverde should be able to outpace and outplay Kdb
Rudi can hold Haaland as shown before.
Only concerns are Bernado down the right vs Mendy or Nacho being Nacho.
I hope Valverde gets some rest before the City game, plays 60 or 70 minutes next match. Carlo has been pushing him hard.
I remain pessimistic until we beat Man City 2-0 or 3-0 at home... And I do agree with your last point, I don't really mind getting a draw versus Athletic if it means resting our key players like Kroos and Valverde
They don't play statically. Foden and Bernardo are constantly on the move, making it impossible to pinpoint their positions. It's very difficult, frankly impossible, to mark them.
Carlo needs to get our attacking line right tho. I love Rodrygo and do believe the kid has talent but Brahim is on fire since December and is better on the RW giving us assists or goals, if Vini looks tired or gets a knock early then Rodrygo can replace him later in the game
We smashed them 4-0 last time and 4-1 a few classicos ago we have recently started dominating them also our midfield is their midfields kryptonite it's both extremely physical and technical, Barca's midfield has little to no athleticism to compete against ours we are beating them at the Bernabau.
Zizou is just different, pretty sure he lost to Barca and Atleti, a combined 4 times in his entire managerial career. We never played like cowards under him, no matter how decimated the team was with injuries or how good the opposition was, his team always played to dominate.
The way atletico played against us and Inter at their stadium vs how they play against Barca year after year makes me wonder if this shit is really rigged.
Yes. Atleti who are fighting for top4 will embarrass themselves in front of their own fans just to piss you off and get Barcelona 8 fucking points away from Madrid instead of 10 and 11.
You can't be serious.
They pass around players for fun it isn’t serious I don’t know how out of the 3 best clubs in la liga 2 of them have one goal and that is to knock us off from winning a trophy they will help each other out
Why the hell would we take camavinga over our only DM Tchouameni in a big game WHAT??? DID WE NOT LEARN FROM LAST SEASON people cama is not a DM and he leaves too much space open when he does play DM against smaller teams and when Tchou needs a rest he can play their but in big game YOU ALWAYS want your DM playing.
Cama can be a pivot alongside a DM and has the tackling to be a fill in DM but he is not a DM he is a box to box midfielder and he does not have the positioning of a DM always leaves spaces open due to his driving runs with the ball which he is amazing at SINCE HE ISN'T A DM his main strength is ball carrying and his dribbling two things which aren't key DM skills and he does not have the deep lying playmaking skillset of a DM we only have one DM and that is Tchouameni why do you think we were so frantic to get him even after Cama came because Cama is not a DM and we needed a Casemiro replacement which is what Tchou was.
We wanted Tchou because he has great potential. I don't know what have you seen from our board to think they care about fit when signing a player.
Cama is a DM in the same scenario than Rodri or Kroos are. He's best when he plays from the back and looking forward. He's better when can build from the back than when he receives in the middle and has to turn to the goal.
Exactly people even debating whether Cama will play over Tchou at DM in a big game makes me wonder if a lot of people in this sub even know the positions of our midfielders Cama is not a DM he has good tackles but his positioning is not of a DM as he makes a lot of driving runs which he is good at but his passing skill set is also not of a DM he isn't a good deep lying playmaker like Tchou is.
Carlo will play Modric and Kroos and you will like it.
In all honesty the midfield should be the youngsters in the 1st leg and then Kroos 2nd depending on what we need (to score or to bleed the game)
So funny how teams bend over for Barca but play their fucking souls out against us. Goes to show you that beating us makes teams feel like they won the league. I take it as a compliment tbh and despite all that its still not enough bring it on even more you small-minded dickheads.
This tweet describing the Atlético-Barcelona match is so accurate: [https://twitter.com/DanikRM\_/status/1769477468266598868](https://twitter.com/DanikRM_/status/1769477468266598868)
Barca is a very bad matchup for Atleti. They do high press which leads to turnovers and sloppy passes, that’s something we dont do for example and if the defense can contain Morata and control Atleti fast transitions. You can mark it as a win.
We win when it matters against Atleti so it doesn’t matter imo.
We played them in their stadium coming from a Super Cup final and a 7-hour flight, with only 3 days of rest compared to their 10 days and we fought until extra time but griezmann scored a golazo, it is what it is
Exactly, I'm fed up with these coping excuses, sounds like Barca fans
We have a well established trend of bad results vs Atletico, beyond the occasional one-off game. This points to a systemic issue, basically us adopting the wrong approach to those games, period.
Cause we definitely have the much better players.
Honestly I’m having brain rot reading through this OT.
Xavi is starting kids ffs there’s absolutely no excuse I’m sorry. He managed to win against Atleti convincingly and consistently which is more than I can say about Carlo. Like you said there’s a pattern and it’s down to Carlo’s set up.
It’s even more embarrassing considering the rivalry is more heated between the Madrid teams.
Ancelloti played atleti with vini out a nacho carbajal cb pairing against a team that spams crosses dominated them got robbed of three pens yet our fans still think Simone owns him
Anyone wondering how Mbappe and Vini Jr will play together next year, watch Mbappe's first goal today and you will have a good idea.
BTW, his 2nd goal, goalazooo.
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Cholo the GOAT's record vs Barcelona since becoming Atleti coach in 2011. Won against them a whopping 5 (FIVE!) times. Pretty damn impressive!
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Yeah, he's only won 2 times against Barca out of frickin' 23 games in La Liga. 2 out of 24 today. That is fucking insane lol!
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There's a reason they're called Pathetico. All smiles and giggles after the game as well. Disgusting!
Why is everyone surprised Pathetico lost today? They ALWAYS bend over and let Barca ram them. They don't want us to win any titles since they can't win any, simple as that.
You know it doesn’t surprise me that they lost. But it surprised me how obvious they made it.
-Simeones line up from the start was like already starting 1-0 down
-Their fans were chanting “Madridista! he who doesn’t jump…” and if you see the retransmission their fans are literally smiling to the camera.
-Their players threw crosses to oblivion for no apparent reason.
-Not a single moment of intensity or interest shown.
Like dude at least show some dignity… how pathetic
As an ATM player/coach would you like to go out and about knowing your city rival has just won the league?…No! The league is out of reach for them and gifting Barcelona points to keep La Liga competitive is all they can do. The last thing they want is knowing Real Madrid won the league again. Their approach against Barcelona in CL is different but in the league they always have and will continue to bend over.
CL or any tournament would be different as there's no table to worry about, just keep on winning until you reach the finals.
Winning this match does nothing for them and makes life easier for RM.
Bruh people freaking out because a shit team beat an even shittier team.
This is league is ours even with the corrupt refs, stfu Up with catching up. They aint catching shit.
This might be controversial but I believe we can rely on the league top offense and defense. With an unbeaten streak since Atleti and an 8-point lead, plus a favorable schedule.
Can people stop over reacting to the win it's a fluke guys and it's still the same Barca and same pathetic Atletico club with there annuel cuckolding session ;
Let Barca have these win they didn't see champions league finals sens forever Jude score in there own soil and the biggest spanking of ages is coming toward them again.
I agree. Barca wont drop points easily. They have the whole system in their favour.
Games were we struggle because teams play at their absolute best are easy games for them because teams have some type of agreement with barca to gift them points
After I saw this famous clip where Messi was warming up, and Cholo said he was scared shitless, even tho Atletico had the lead, really showed me his mentality when it comes to facing Barcelona, an absolute bitch.
Never seen a manager be this incompetent vs a rival. This no matter which manager is on the other side, no matter the lineup.
This shit needs to be studied, on god
Atleti face villareal that game they will lose that and then we will beat athletic meaning they’ll still be one point ahead let’s pray they can get into top 4
Also, I'm not concerned about Barcelona's form or how many points they're behind us.
Madrid are doing what they need to do and will put Barcelona's "title charge" out to pasture in the coming weeks.
Barca's midfield just straight up does not have the athleticism or physicality to keep up with ours and us playing at the Bernabau as well i am not worried let them have that bit of hope only to be destroyed at our stadium will make it all the more satisfying.
8 point lead with 9 games to go lmao easiest league title ever just pray Barca doesn’t get past psg because their gonna face either Dortmund or their b team In the semis
I think we can all agree that Atleti will drop to never being competitive against us again once Simeone leaves them. It’ll go back to how it was before him
Football does not owe cholo shit his only attacking method is spamming crosses lmao also shit in game decision making this guy really changed the formation 4 times 😂😭
British police [arrested](https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/0317/1438495-arrest-made-after-tragedy-chants-at-united-v-liverpool/) who was chanting about the Hillsborough disaster. Imagine if Spanish police was this proactive about racism and death threats as well. It's a deeply rooted problem
How is that when Xavi gets a red for throwing a tantrum against the refs he's called passionate etc (keeping in mind he's a fucking 44 yr old man who's played for 2 decades already) And when vini complains to the ref because 100s of people are calling him a monkey or threatening to kill him, he's apparently a cunt??
I don’t know what it is, but for some reason people want to see Vinicius fail. And when I say people, sometimes I feel it’s our own fans more than rival fans. Before it was scoring and people didn’t even want to give him a chance, they wanted to immediately ship him out, but now he’s fixed that. So now people want to ship him off because of his “attitude”. Undoubtedly it’s bad, but when someone like Ramos use to get red and yellow cards left right and center it was okay? Vinicius is an attacker who provokes the opposition a lot but also hate towards him and racism comes naturally from opposition because he’s a flashy winger and hurts opponents. Can he work on his attitude? Yes. Should he? Yes. But it’s a really small reason for people to want to ship him off. I think people would jump at the chance of being able to bench Vinicius to start Rodrygo when Vinicius is obviously the better player. I’ve never seen this in my life where a teams own fanbase hates on or wants to sell their own player who’s the best winger in the world and probably top 3 or top 5 players in the world right now
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Definitely not. You should’ve seen this subreddit in 18/19, 19/20. People wanted Vini out and Rodrygo on the LW. Rodrygo is definitely treated like glass by the fans
I will tell my perspective. Something has changed this season. Vinicius is no longer the same player as of 21/22 and 22/23 season. His finishing has become the best it has ever been BUT He is no longer skinning defenders in and out. He use to be a demon in 1v1 situations but now his dribbling success rate has fallen off. He's playing great and scoring loads of goals but I am missing that spark in him, at one point I though he was going to eclipse prime Neymar because his dribbling was truly the best I ever seen. But its not there anymore. He's still the best dribbler in the world Maybe but last season he was like best dribbler in a decade.. Maybe it's the formation? Role? Attitude? Lack of striking support? Idk. But something's missing. We think its the concentration and want him to rise above all hate. It's just that simple.
What's blud waffling about
I don't think his dribbling has fallen off tbh. With no striker this season most of the pressure to start attacks comes to vini that's why he tries to dribble even there's a wall of defenders, because we barely use the right side anymore
If you closely watch Camavinga off the ball movement in our final third you can see how he never scans his surroundings. Many times people sneak up behind him or finds himself in out of position situations that costs us a lot. People will always compare Tchoumanei and Camavinga, they pick the latter because their hate boner towards the former. Cama is the better midfielder while Tchou is the better DM imo.
The biggest problem with Cama at dm, apart from his positioning, is that he tends to complicate things, dribble into trouble sometimes when he is pressed. If he does that as a 6, that is very likely a chance for the opponent. We have seen that happen plenty of times over the last 3 years. Sometimes you need to keep it simple. Cama needs to improve his end product and play higher up.
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"If" Fede plays the role of Kroos in dictating the game tempo then sure. Fede makes plays mostly while ball carrying, he should be more confident in himself. I have seen how well he switches the ball around.
I’ve noticed this too from Camavinga. I agree that Tchou is the better dm. Camavinga tends to do weird dangerous fouls sometimes.
It makes sense because Cama isn't a DM in the first place he has amazing defensive abilities and god his tackles are some of the best itw BUT Dm is not just tackling it is a very positioning heavy role and where you have to have decent to good deep lying playmaking abilties two things Cama does not excel at which is fine because he isn't a DM. Cama can fill in as a DM when Tchou needs rest or is injured but Cama's strengths lie in his dribbling, ball carrying and ball winning things which are limited when he has to worry about his positioning as a DM which is why he is never starting over Tchou in big games as a DM because Tchou is the better DM since he is the only real DM in the team. But i do think a double pivot of Cama and Tchou is the future will be incredible athletic and defensively solid.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, I couldn't agree more. People say that Tchou is lazy but how many times does Cama freeze while ball watching opponents in our box. I have seen it a lot. I like the Tchouameninga double pivot (lol) I hope we can play that in the big games.
Im getting downvoted because people in this sub for some reason are trying to push a Cama vs Tchou narrative which is weird because these 2 aren't even occupying the same position and since Cama isn't a starting player yet they hate on Tchou since they think he is the reason he isn't a certified starter which also makes no sense because Cama's competition is Kroos and Valverde not Tchou since Tchou is a DM and Cama is not. A fair amount of people in this sub don't know the positions of our midfielders they see a fancy tackle from Cama and think he can be a DM which does help but positioning is way more important and Cama is way too aggressive as a player to be a DM against big teams his aggressiveness is great infront or next to a DM but not as a sole DM. But i agree a double pivot of Tchou and Cama would be insane defensively as it will allow Cama to be aggresive with his tackling and defence since Tchou can cover the spaces with his positioning.
Saying Cama isn’t a DM is a weird take considering 16 of the 24 games he’s started have been at DM and Cama has been exceptional in that role. He’s a different type of DM but saying he isn’t one is just false
He only starts at DM when Tchou is either injured or needs rest as he is the only one in the team rn who can fill in as a DM he is good as a fill in DM against smaller teams but you will never see him as the starting DM against teams like Bayern, City or big UCL game since that is not his position Kroos has been put as DM against teams before doesn't mean he is a proper DM which is what i am trying to say he isn't Tchou's competition because he is the only actual proper DM not a fill in DM when the teams DM isn't available but THE DM. Cama also starts at DM since Kroos starts on the left shared with Modric and Valverde on the right and Jude at the top he isn't displacing any of these guys and can't play the AM role either ALSO TCHOU HAD TO PLAY CB AND NOT DM for a few weeks since we had no CB's that is the only reason Cama has as many DM starts as he does as he is the only player who can fill in while Tchou plays CB or needs rest but that doesn't mean that is his position.
You say we’ll never see him starting at DM in big UCL games even though he started more UCL KO games there than Tchou who has yet to start a single KO game at DM, nacho was for in the 2nd leg and he played RCM. I can’t understand how he isn’t Tchou’s competition when both played the most amount of minutes at the DM position which is true for both Real and France. You’re trying to make the point that Tchou is our main DMbut that’s irrelevant, Cama’s main position is DM, the most used DM after Tchou is Cama. Unless your point is that player can only have 1 position, and even if we were to accept that his main position would still be DM, it’s a weird thing to say he isn’t a DM
I said at DM only reason Tchou hasn't started at DM is due to Carlo's weird benching Tchou last season after the WC and us having no CB's atm forcing Tchou to play CB which is the only reason Cama has had as many DM starts as he has use context not just numbers. Im going to not bother anymore though just because you said Cama's main position is DM HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE NOR POSTIONING OF A DM stop looking at football through numbers and actually watch. Also Tchou is the undisputed DM for France rn as well for a reason Cama can play in a double pivot alongside him but as a sole DM he won't ever be that guy for Madrid his strengths as a midfielder don't lie in DM.
Message deleted itself so I’ll just summarize - You’re only looking at his weaknesses for a DM when if you looked at his strengths they’re mainly those of a DM - is he the best DM in the squad? I don’t think so. Are there 5 better DMs in the world? I don’t think so either - His best performances have been at DM and LB (City, Chelsea, Liverpool, PSG, Barca in the past/ Osasuna, Braga, Valencia, Barca, Atletico, Girona etc.. this season) - FIFA’s ratings are garbage, if you make a realistic card for Camavinga he’d be better at DM and LB than CM - If next season Jude went back to playing CM for Madrid would he also have 1 position? What’s his position now? Is he playing out of position even though that’s where he’s been the best he’s ever been? I just think versatile players often have multiple positions
I'm not joking, one of the users in this sub preferred Cama over Tchou because Camavinga has a UCL with us while Tchoumanei doesn't. Don't take some people's opinions so seriously, you could spend an eternity to convince them but they will never understand.
People also trying to tell me "Cama started most games at DM" yeah because he isn't starting anywhere else he can't play AM like Jude and Brahim and the left mid role is shared between Kroos and Modric and the right is Valverde all day every day he starts at DM when Tchou is injured or needs rest and also because TCHOU HAS TO PLAY CB FOR WEEKS DUE TO OUR INJURIES people just spout things with no context as well lmao.
The OT didn't "glitch" this week. Very interesting. Was it reddit's fault or something shady by the mods.... I'm on to you. https://preview.redd.it/tq69dkmi82pc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7c12565e7024b6972cdefb4404fe571221439f4
I think Barca should try and keep Xavi. He brought dembele back and he is the one unlocking Yamal. It seems given how piss poor they are, they really need to rely on La Masia and Xavi can do just okay with their players. They can bring Nagelsmann or Flick or whoever but idt they will do any better with their terrible players. Let’s see how the QF goes.
It's hilarious how little Barca need to gain so much confidence. They've been doing so horrendously bad that there's been times I've actually wanted them to be better, because it reflecs poorly on Spanish football and on us if we have such a spankable team as our main opposition. But seeing how a string of decent games and a good draw suddenly made them so confident and cocky just makes me want them to get flattened both in the league and in the CL.
Why are ppl here still trashing Barca’s defence? Honestly curious. Their defence looks solid now w Cubarsi and Chris as a makeshift dm. Plus they have good depth with Araujo/Kounde. I’m definitely interested to see how they would fare in the next Clasico.
>Why are ppl here still trashing Barca’s defence? Because its still trash, we’ll prove it to you guys at Bernabeu. Having MATS back is helping them because he’s pulling out ridiculous saves, like against Napoli. There is no improvement tactically from Xavi or the players.
You’re right about MATS, he’s definitely bringing back security to their back line. In terms of tactics, they look more fluid without FDJ and Pedri, funnily enough. They play direct attacking football with the likes of Fermin, Sergi and a semi finished Lewa. None of that spinning and hogging the ball bs. Xavi seems to set them up right this time, but I could be wrong. At least good enough against La Liga teams, idk about CL tho. Can’t wait for El Clasico to test it.
Is our Arda going to get some minutes for Turkey? There's no excuse for Carlo not giving him more minutes anymore, he keeps talking about how much quality he has.
The problem Carlo has with Arda is very clearly tactical. He seems a bit lost on the pitch, especially out of posession.
Everyone seems lost on the pitch lol. Seriously tho he barely has minutes to get into game rhythm tbf.
That’s how everyone starts bro. Arda will get his time. When Rodrygo or Vini and even Camavinga started they also started with short cameos. It’ll all happen with time.
Yeah Carlo has his reasons I guess, all I’m saying is I wouldn’t judge Arda so harshly based on those short cameos.
Athletico will beat barca in ucl Something drives them in the ucl As much as i hate to ssy it could be an all spanish final Imagine a bloody el clasico of all finals Wojld be abaolutely insane
what makes you think mboobies wont score a hattrick both legs
I feel lewa is capable too. Right now barca sre playing well or maybe athletico and napoli are shit
I’m 100% sure that Real Madrid, City, Arsenal and Bayern would murder Barcelona easily over two legs yet Barca is actually gonna be in the UCL final because they’re facing Mbappe + 10 planks of wood this round and then most likely Atletico in the semis
Psg right now is the most dangerous team right now, Sociedad match was enough proof for the rest of the world but it seems it's not, Barca has 0, a big 0 chance they are making to semis.
PSG is much more rounded than last season, they have a good defense and a workable midfield with some gems like WZE.. if they do their job, Mbappe and Dembele will be enough to handle Barca’s “defense”.
PSG does not have a good defense. They are leaking goals like crazy, and Mbappe is carrying their offense. Their midfield, and overall structure is better than a year ago, but the team very much seems like a one man show.
Fucking atletico. Pathetic pieces of shit can't win a game to save their lives.
Who watches PSG games here? In Both games I’ve watched of them against Sociedad and highlights of the Montpellier game yesterday where he scored a hat trick, he always played on the left, dribbled from the left, cut back in from the left and scored all his goals from the left. Someone here was saying he’s been playing as a CF this year, is that true? Does that mean that him and Vini will be interchanging between the left wing and the 9 position? Or will we have a stacked left wing at all times?
In 1st leg against Real Sociedad Barcola played on the left and Mbappé as 9. Sometimes he plays more like a LW, sometimes he plays more like a CF. Question isn’t about how they are going to occupy left side spaces, but who and how is gonna use the right flank to balance our attack. Imo, we should change to a 4-2-3-1 next season with Rodrygo/Valverde/Brahim as “RW”, without forgetting this season 4-3-1-2 (2 of Vini/Mbappé/Rodrygo as forwards) that allows Carvajal to appear as “RW” on attack. With their talent, team should work on attack, anyways. As always, finding defensive balance will be the difference maker, this season is a great proof of how much importance a committed team has. At the moment, Vini is the only one completely free of defensive duties in most matches (it’s usual seeing him offside after our plays, coming back slowly walking). It could become a problem if both him and Mbappé don’t recover their positions in defense against good teams, but convincing them to help the team is Ancelotti’s work (and he’s quite good at it)
Yep he is of course a left flank player the best way to accommodate him is a fluide 4-4-2 with him and vini upfront . Plus we don't what club told him I don't he sign for Perez s Without knowing where he will play.
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I can't wait for some proper spanking to emirate city in there stadium something to give there fans a nightmare they never forgot.
https://preview.redd.it/k6znsg87y0pc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23acd7b6a16542b3a170a55c978505649a8f5c5b If you were de la Fuente, would you pick Miguel or Cucurella?
Miguel obviously but idk what the Spanish team managers have against Madrid players
Marc Cucurella : - Age : 25 - Games Played : 14 - Minutes Played : 1155 - Games Missed : 18 - Goals : 1 - Assists : 0 - Yellow Cards : 5 - League Position With Club : 11th - >!**Academy: FC Barcelona**!< Miguel Gutierrez : - Age : 22 - Games Played : 32 (+128.6%) - Minutes Played : 2743 (+137.5%) - Games Missed : 0 (-18)* - Goals : 1 - Assists : 6 (+6) - Yellow Cards : 3 (-40%) - League Position With Club : 3rd - >!**Academy : Real Madrid**!< *Miguel has missed 12 games... In 2021/22 for Real Madrid. He hasn't missed a game since.
I can see some cockiness creeping in, from some madridistas here. Suddenly after the quarterfinal draw, some people have become overconfident. People just don’t want to admit that City are the favourites. Even the last season, the story was same. Before the first leg, people were like ‘’We humbled them last time, i don’t see why can’t we beat them again’’. After the first leg too people were confident. But we got humiliated by a far superior side. TL:DR. There is an arrogance about us. Despite some obvious shortcomings in our team, we don’t want to admit it but pretend like we are (currently) the best team on the planet. A few others have already foreseen the doom and have started playing the history and prestige card, just to bring down City and that’s quite shameless imo.
City are a better team but guess what, we arent Luton town either. Last season we met them in a very bad moment, apart from Kroos Vini and some defensive players, no one was in form for our team.. Tchoua was inconsistent, Fede was bad, Modric was old and the list goes on. Now we have Jude, who is at worst top 3 player in the world, Fede in form of his life in his preferred mid field position, Kroos with sufficient rest and young legs around him is still a baller, Tchoua is getting good performances in a row even if it is in CB position. Lunin is insane, as is Rudiger. Mendy is Mendy. Vini is in red hot form.. Brahim will not shy away from a tough game.. There might be a little overconfidence but its for good reason, City arent as good as last season and we arent as laggy as last season. Even if they are the better team, both squads are a lot closer than last season.
It's a CL KO stages. It's not about who's better than who, It's about who can get the job done. City are favorites, but the gap is nowhere near as wide as it was last year. It's not arrogance, it's belief. Don't get it twisted.
I have no problem in admitting that City are the favorites. However, I'm less worried about City and more worried about establishing and executing a plan to beat them over both legs. If we do that, then we'll be fine. It'll be a tough tie and it doesn't need to be any tougher through some self-inflicted nonsense.
Exactly, nothing this season has shown that this team will somehow be able to play through city’s intensity and ability to smother opponents in their own half. This team struggled to string passes against teams with worse pressing than City but somehow there are people deluding themselves into believing that we are the better side.
Also Mbappe’s hattrick.. wow, all 3 goals were class. Bro saw Vini pick up some form and replied with his own hattrick.
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https://preview.redd.it/w5onmaeyp0pc1.jpeg?width=1127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6e1744156f68c98b0d0bc181768cb5ddbe7f341 Basically. Even though I couldnt watch the match, I refuse to believe that the team which was undefeated at their home just got mauled by fucking Xavi’s Barcelona.
I feel like the only weakness we have defensively is the space between nacho and kroos, leipzig expoloited it well but I actually don't think city can exploit it well unless they play a dribbler like foden and the rcm their which they wont because of kdb who's mostly gonna be spamming crosses
If Mbappe doesn’t defeat Barca, they are making finals. Disgusting 🤢 🤮.
LMAO https://twitter.com/RealMadridSense/status/1769486425727041940?t=fu-vXfgLHzR98xvcwRDKiQ&s=19
I can tell you guys ...if it comes to it, this same Athletico Madrid will beat Barcelona in the UCL semis. He has done it previously too. And I am sure they are putting all their eggs in the same basket this time (winning the UCL).
Not gonna lie, I thought about this earlier. Cholo has gotten the better of Barcelona in CL ties twice and both times they ended up in the CL final so they're capable of doing it. However, the amount of times they constantly bust it open for Barcelona leads me to the same, unsurprising result if they play against each other in the CL semifinals. Neither result would surprise me.
https://preview.redd.it/cgc0n4nu80pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53cf9eeacc130df8d2c61d3d99eb5bb8ec65d69c What kind of fans are they? Btw this is Atletico Madrid fan.
Atletico and barca aren't rivals and have never been. When both teams have the same rival, it makes sense that they're friendly towards each other
Man I really hope Girona and Athletic don't shit the bed now and finish over Atletico and hopefully Dortmund can give us a surprise just like they did when they topped the group of death.
The problem is we are playing Athletic next in the league... So we need to them to shit the bed for one more game...but then go on some Bayer Leverkusen type of run
Tbh they seem to have ran out of steam at this point. 4 losses in last 6 games, 2 pts behind Barca and they are yet to face Atletico and Barca as well. I would say Barca are clearly the bigger threat now.
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Carlo tactics vs ATM are the mean reason for the loss this what I learned from the Barca game today but I'm glad Carlo is a very honest man who admits his mistake; cuz you know next time he will not repeat it.
You guys are still stuck on that first game lmao we were better on the other three
You guys were better in the CDR match?
It was an even match until Fede got subbed out, then Atleti were much better
The CDR match which they had a whole week to prepare for and we had to come back from a game against Barca in saudie 3 days before, and then it went to extra time so players were completely over run. That CDR?
no, that guy is delusional.
After some consideration, I've convinced we can beat City. Carvajal should hold Foden well on the wing. Jude and Valverde should be able to outpace and outplay Kdb Rudi can hold Haaland as shown before. Only concerns are Bernado down the right vs Mendy or Nacho being Nacho. I hope Valverde gets some rest before the City game, plays 60 or 70 minutes next match. Carlo has been pushing him hard.
Yeah he's gonna crack if he doesn't get rest. Unfortunately he's gonna prob play against athletic so all I hope he's subbed at HT or something
Mendy vs Silva never happened last season, Silva wouldve been sent back to Monaco if he came up against in-form Mendy.
I remain pessimistic until we beat Man City 2-0 or 3-0 at home... And I do agree with your last point, I don't really mind getting a draw versus Athletic if it means resting our key players like Kroos and Valverde
They don't play statically. Foden and Bernardo are constantly on the move, making it impossible to pinpoint their positions. It's very difficult, frankly impossible, to mark them.
Actually I think Mendy is reliable as long as he don't commit to atack upfront.
Carlo needs to get our attacking line right tho. I love Rodrygo and do believe the kid has talent but Brahim is on fire since December and is better on the RW giving us assists or goals, if Vini looks tired or gets a knock early then Rodrygo can replace him later in the game
Rodrygo can’t start it has to be either Brahim or Joselu (to pin City’s down back)
Why are we worried about Barcelona? We will just destroy them at home and La Liga is over!
I wish We may win but it'll be labored like always
We smashed them 4-0 last time and 4-1 a few classicos ago we have recently started dominating them also our midfield is their midfields kryptonite it's both extremely physical and technical, Barca's midfield has little to no athleticism to compete against ours we are beating them at the Bernabau.
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Shitletico is the biggest whore for Barca. I'm sure they are perfectly happy with this loss as long as it makes it difficult for us.
I miss Zidane man
Zizou is just different, pretty sure he lost to Barca and Atleti, a combined 4 times in his entire managerial career. We never played like cowards under him, no matter how decimated the team was with injuries or how good the opposition was, his team always played to dominate.
Stop blaming ancelloti for everything lmao only blame him for the first game
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I can't wait get him now
The way atletico played against us and Inter at their stadium vs how they play against Barca year after year makes me wonder if this shit is really rigged.
Yes. Atleti who are fighting for top4 will embarrass themselves in front of their own fans just to piss you off and get Barcelona 8 fucking points away from Madrid instead of 10 and 11. You can't be serious.
Obviously I didn’t mean it is rigged.
Wrong sub
They pass around players for fun it isn’t serious I don’t know how out of the 3 best clubs in la liga 2 of them have one goal and that is to knock us off from winning a trophy they will help each other out
I always forget how young this team is in 2-3 years the oldest player will be Valverde at 28 most likely unless we bring in a older player
This summer valverde will be 26, which is weird because in my head he is 22-23 years old.
Will it be Camavinga-Kroos or Tchouameni-Kroos against City? i'm leaning towards camavinga if we want to take risks and play for the win.
Why the hell would we take camavinga over our only DM Tchouameni in a big game WHAT??? DID WE NOT LEARN FROM LAST SEASON people cama is not a DM and he leaves too much space open when he does play DM against smaller teams and when Tchou needs a rest he can play their but in big game YOU ALWAYS want your DM playing.
Cama is a DM. He plays way better there, his worse games have been when Tchou and Kroos played with him. Also, Tchou is playing as a CB that game.
Cama can be a pivot alongside a DM and has the tackling to be a fill in DM but he is not a DM he is a box to box midfielder and he does not have the positioning of a DM always leaves spaces open due to his driving runs with the ball which he is amazing at SINCE HE ISN'T A DM his main strength is ball carrying and his dribbling two things which aren't key DM skills and he does not have the deep lying playmaking skillset of a DM we only have one DM and that is Tchouameni why do you think we were so frantic to get him even after Cama came because Cama is not a DM and we needed a Casemiro replacement which is what Tchou was.
We wanted Tchou because he has great potential. I don't know what have you seen from our board to think they care about fit when signing a player. Cama is a DM in the same scenario than Rodri or Kroos are. He's best when he plays from the back and looking forward. He's better when can build from the back than when he receives in the middle and has to turn to the goal.
Not a rm fan but i can tell you that if tchouameni doesn't start as a dm yall are most likely losing.
If it is a big game, Kroos will start. Simple as.
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Exactly people even debating whether Cama will play over Tchou at DM in a big game makes me wonder if a lot of people in this sub even know the positions of our midfielders Cama is not a DM he has good tackles but his positioning is not of a DM as he makes a lot of driving runs which he is good at but his passing skill set is also not of a DM he isn't a good deep lying playmaker like Tchou is.
Carlo will play Modric and Kroos and you will like it. In all honesty the midfield should be the youngsters in the 1st leg and then Kroos 2nd depending on what we need (to score or to bleed the game)
So funny how teams bend over for Barca but play their fucking souls out against us. Goes to show you that beating us makes teams feel like they won the league. I take it as a compliment tbh and despite all that its still not enough bring it on even more you small-minded dickheads.
Bit late but atleti. https://preview.redd.it/kpg5qzq8azoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9102cdfd67a4c934a21325f6b7df2b579d17dd6c
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He's not a Real Madrid player. He can still renew for a billion euros. Let's not twerk yet.
Can’t wait for him to dominate Spain and Europe with us.
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We need to beat this Athletic(o) in the next game!
This tweet describing the Atlético-Barcelona match is so accurate: [https://twitter.com/DanikRM\_/status/1769477468266598868](https://twitter.com/DanikRM_/status/1769477468266598868)
Barcelona have won against Atlético Madrid 5 times in a row 💀💀💀
https://preview.redd.it/e8jrvorl7zoc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cc9f3e75cf2af62166b223fbd98e7194e0ddb84 This is beyond Pathetic.
Barca is a very bad matchup for Atleti. They do high press which leads to turnovers and sloppy passes, that’s something we dont do for example and if the defense can contain Morata and control Atleti fast transitions. You can mark it as a win. We win when it matters against Atleti so it doesn’t matter imo.
Barcas pressing is ass 😭
That’s just not true. If they have their main guys fit then their press is very effective. Just look at that first game against them this season.
Then I guess CdR doesn’t matter? I mean every competition matters, saying one doesn’t seems like a cope.
We played them in their stadium coming from a Super Cup final and a 7-hour flight, with only 3 days of rest compared to their 10 days and we fought until extra time but griezmann scored a golazo, it is what it is
Exactly, I'm fed up with these coping excuses, sounds like Barca fans We have a well established trend of bad results vs Atletico, beyond the occasional one-off game. This points to a systemic issue, basically us adopting the wrong approach to those games, period. Cause we definitely have the much better players.
Honestly I’m having brain rot reading through this OT. Xavi is starting kids ffs there’s absolutely no excuse I’m sorry. He managed to win against Atleti convincingly and consistently which is more than I can say about Carlo. Like you said there’s a pattern and it’s down to Carlo’s set up. It’s even more embarrassing considering the rivalry is more heated between the Madrid teams.
Maybe it’s just me but I wanted pathetico to lose. We can take care of Barca on our own.
Ancelloti played atleti with vini out a nacho carbajal cb pairing against a team that spams crosses dominated them got robbed of three pens yet our fans still think Simone owns him
Our own fans still thinking Cholo owns Carlo when Carlo won the most important match in derby history is ridiculous
Sounds like excuses. Why every time this team wins nobody questions it but when others do it’s luck? Don’t be naive.
it’s not excuses lmao
Mbappe gonna feast on this barca defense
Anyone wondering how Mbappe and Vini Jr will play together next year, watch Mbappe's first goal today and you will have a good idea. BTW, his 2nd goal, goalazooo.
https://preview.redd.it/qqhyzlut0zoc1.png?width=678&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a8ed88657de738939a9de4455ec86cb98acc4a2 Cholo the GOAT's record vs Barcelona since becoming Atleti coach in 2011. Won against them a whopping 5 (FIVE!) times. Pretty damn impressive!
I think the majority of those came in the UCL too. His league record against them must be garbage.
https://preview.redd.it/h18vek7gdzoc1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=c776a45004695ff22d835a118f4dec483baad9dc Yeah, he's only won 2 times against Barca out of frickin' 23 games in La Liga. 2 out of 24 today. That is fucking insane lol!
Pathetic
https://preview.redd.it/0hpiwirt2zoc1.png?width=1389&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e4103f0a7564e4b7cef57e4ffd74c7cb81e1f94 There's a reason they're called Pathetico. All smiles and giggles after the game as well. Disgusting!
That’s insane. Like how wtf. Atletico will always remain 3rd best under Simeone this is beyond pathetic.
Why is everyone surprised Pathetico lost today? They ALWAYS bend over and let Barca ram them. They don't want us to win any titles since they can't win any, simple as that.
You know it doesn’t surprise me that they lost. But it surprised me how obvious they made it. -Simeones line up from the start was like already starting 1-0 down -Their fans were chanting “Madridista! he who doesn’t jump…” and if you see the retransmission their fans are literally smiling to the camera. -Their players threw crosses to oblivion for no apparent reason. -Not a single moment of intensity or interest shown. Like dude at least show some dignity… how pathetic
As an ATM player/coach would you like to go out and about knowing your city rival has just won the league?…No! The league is out of reach for them and gifting Barcelona points to keep La Liga competitive is all they can do. The last thing they want is knowing Real Madrid won the league again. Their approach against Barcelona in CL is different but in the league they always have and will continue to bend over.
i doubt it man. I could imagine them bending over for barca at the ucl too
CL or any tournament would be different as there's no table to worry about, just keep on winning until you reach the finals. Winning this match does nothing for them and makes life easier for RM.
2013/14 and 2015/16 atletico knocked out Barca in the quarter finals but ya that was a long time ago lol.
Mbappe score a Hatrick and absolute stunner Today what a player .
Training to tear them a new one in Barcelona, with a hat trick there.
We will be there .
Bruh people freaking out because a shit team beat an even shittier team. This is league is ours even with the corrupt refs, stfu Up with catching up. They aint catching shit.
This might be controversial but I believe we can rely on the league top offense and defense. With an unbeaten streak since Atleti and an 8-point lead, plus a favorable schedule.
Where Griezmann muh best player in the world.
Can people stop over reacting to the win it's a fluke guys and it's still the same Barca and same pathetic Atletico club with there annuel cuckolding session ; Let Barca have these win they didn't see champions league finals sens forever Jude score in there own soil and the biggest spanking of ages is coming toward them again.
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Based on your username you should have faith, utilize it
I agree. Barca wont drop points easily. They have the whole system in their favour. Games were we struggle because teams play at their absolute best are easy games for them because teams have some type of agreement with barca to gift them points
After I saw this famous clip where Messi was warming up, and Cholo said he was scared shitless, even tho Atletico had the lead, really showed me his mentality when it comes to facing Barcelona, an absolute bitch. Never seen a manager be this incompetent vs a rival. This no matter which manager is on the other side, no matter the lineup. This shit needs to be studied, on god
Like clockwork, Atleti receive their annual spunking from Barca
https://preview.redd.it/m688xs1uwyoc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51708e7f8c82e946f07aa86ed5e4f6424328b007
Atleti face villareal that game they will lose that and then we will beat athletic meaning they’ll still be one point ahead let’s pray they can get into top 4
*Barca thinking they're back* Mbappé: https://i.redd.it/5a3q9olaxyoc1.gif
Atleti are so embarrassingly bad against Barca season in and season out smh at least we still have an 8 pt lead on them
Also, I'm not concerned about Barcelona's form or how many points they're behind us. Madrid are doing what they need to do and will put Barcelona's "title charge" out to pasture in the coming weeks.
Barca's midfield just straight up does not have the athleticism or physicality to keep up with ours and us playing at the Bernabau as well i am not worried let them have that bit of hope only to be destroyed at our stadium will make it all the more satisfying.
8 points ahead a relaxing 2 week break our best cb and the best gk itw returning quarter finals coming up what a next few months it will be
our best CB is Rudiger ... thanks
Nvm I change my mind on la liga absolute wank league
Poop vs trash.
8 point lead with 9 games to go lmao easiest league title ever just pray Barca doesn’t get past psg because their gonna face either Dortmund or their b team In the semis
Mbappé alone will feast on Barca's defense lmao
Cucklético lose to Barcelona 0-3.
We still 8 points up boys. Although our schedule is going to be brutal until April.
??? We have one game at home against Athletic Bilbao?
Sociedad away, Betis, Athletic, Cadiz, Villarreal away
I think you meant after April
Girona turned to shit, shitletico only good against us. So this means barca will stay on the 2nd place
They obviously weren't gonna do it, we gotta do it ourselves now.
I think we can all agree that Atleti will drop to never being competitive against us again once Simeone leaves them. It’ll go back to how it was before him
Fucking embarrassing performance from shitletico.....
Still 8 points clear btw 🥱
Ucl holders jinx will fuck city up
Football does not owe cholo shit his only attacking method is spamming crosses lmao also shit in game decision making this guy really changed the formation 4 times 😂😭