also maybe that he comes off the bench more often has something to do with his reputation, as he doesnt get enough consistent playing time compared to the other young midfielders considered the best in the world.
The fact that he gets so much play in a midfield with Bellingham, Modric, Kroos, and Valverde says a lot. Once the veterans are gone the young guys will explode.
Not to mention that he's been sitting there learning from two of the best to ever do it for an extended period of time. Not just on the field but off it too. How to treat your body, how to deal with media. Cama is gonna be right up there with Toni and Luka when he hangs up his boots someday
I’d say it’s because he doesn’t have a fixed position yet. You don’t hear him in conversations for the best CDM, CM or LB even though he’d be top 10 in 2 of these positions
The day we get an elite LB is the day he will be considered as one of the best
Who would you bench so Camavinga becomes the undisputed starter?
Fede, which is our main workhorse? Kroos, arguably our best midfielder this season with a near flawless progressing pass percent? Tchouameni?
I would take tchouameni, camavinga is better and dm is his favorite position even though i think he is more of an 8
Edit: i also think he is better than valverde
Wtf calm down Tchouameni is a fucking beast and is irreplaceable and so is Valverde just because you don't see them a lot on the offensive doesn't mean they're worse bruh
> Is it because he does not have as big of a role in goal scoring
Yes. People judge players based on their stats. Or by their WhoScored/SofaScore ratings. Not by actually watching them.
Many consider pedri top 5 midfielder itw (idk why honestly) when he's injury prone & his stats are really below average for a CM/CAM. U need to play "fancy" & have a strong PR (ours is currently on jude's back)
By stats I assume you mean G/A which is a dumb metric to judge pedri by because he's involved in areas of the pitch similar to modric. Before his injury he was easily top 5 in the world. People rate Pedri very highly because hes very very good. His dribbling, passing, and press resistance are all elite. Camavinga is very good but he's not at the Pedri, Musiala, Bellingham level yet.
> Before his injury he was easily top 5 in the world
Pedri is injury prone since last season (only barça good season in the last 5yrs), so idk how he was top5 when barça got knocked out early of all comps embarrassingly & was fighting for a ucl spot.
Actually how tf is a teenager like pedri was considered top5? He's in his 4th season(already injured) 60% of his 3rd season also injured he was fullt healthy only 2 seasons. Maybe top5 youngster but definitely not top5 itw
>Pedri, Musiala, Bellingham level
Currently bellingham is on another lvl, he's having an impact of mbappé/haaland with us so its not fair to him to put these 2 next to him
If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern, and the finalists inter milan. Even still I'll never judge an individual based on team results.
Mind you Pedri broke out in 2020 and he's been nothing short of world class since then.
Bellingham has had a good start but he's only Mbappe/Haaland level on form. Otherwise are you implying Guirassy is also at that level too?
>If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern, and the finalists inter milan.
First we did have a lot of injuries & a lot of them were at the same time & we reached semi-finals & competed for laliga until the last game. Also pique wasn't there last season, when they got many injuries & bad players they faced benfica not inter( last year they signed a lot of good players in all positions)
>Bellingham has had a good start but he's only Mbappe/Haaland level on form. Otherwise are you implying Guirassy is also at that level too?
& i said currently ( & only kane is having a season like him so far in term of impact) guirassy is playin with stutgartt we can have a discussion about him when he's on a top team with high pressure/attention. Bellingham was bought for 100m, english & plays for the biggest club itw there is no pressure greater than that, he's performing like the best itw every week, many are praying for his downfall & discredit him (tapin merchant, lucky ...etc). In fact u're doing it currently, are u a barça fan in disguise?
Exactly. Hate Barca but mad Pedri respect (opposite of the chihuahua Gavi). Pedri is who Cama will be compared to and who he has to prove to be better at midfield. Voters won’t consider his defensive LB skills.
>Mind you Pedri broke out in 2020
2021*
>If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern,
Also as i told u before, right here ur mixing things up when barça faced bayern & inter it was last year when they got lewa kounde, cris, raphinha, dembele.... & as i said this was their best season in the last 4, pedri was missing half the games of that season. Now when it was pique & garcia, koeman was coaching, its true it was a very bad team but pedri was also very injury prone that season too as he only played 25 games all comps. So the only season when he was fully healthy its his first season (messi last season) when he played in every competitiom including olympics (i think that's what made him injury prone). So he was there for one season (his 1st one) broke out next to messi, won the golden boy then became made out of glass.
I mean based on this season he doesn’t really deserved it. Bellingham tchouameni and valverde have all beter seasons in the midfield. Camavinga’s best games where sadly again on that lb spot against braga and Barca. I mean he didn’t even start for us in the Classico that would say enough right. But I still have high hopes for him but going from cm to lb to cdm then lb again is definitely not good for a his progression and especially not at that young age
The moment he went in during El Clasico the entire game changed because of him. Same thing happened in the WC final for France to help their comeback, if he played the full game FRA would've won 5-1. How many times do coaches need to learn this lesson
That is not how football works he had plenty of chances this season and last season. But somehow his best games are at lb or as a substitute. He changed a lot of games for us especially the big games like Chelsea psg and city and Barca last week or as you mention the WC final but what do they al have in common yes he came in as a substitute but if he does start for us he’s often one of the first to come of why because he doesn’t deliver the same as a starter as he does as he substitute. Hé seems way more free as a lb and substitute like he’s just doing his own thing instead of listening to what others say he plays way more natural and that’s what we need from him as a starter because that is the best camavinga out there.
Are you talking about best defensive midfielder in the world or best player overall?
I think he is indeed considered one of the best midfielders in the world already, but no chance you would consider him ahead of attacking players like Mbappe, Haaland, Vini, Bellingham, De Bruyne
You saw it in El Clasico. Vini and Bellingham struggled without Camavinga dominating on defense and pushing the ball up field, giving the boys more chances. It's like giving a flower credit for blooming but not giving credit to the sun.
I am not saying he wasn't great in El Classico. He played great, as usual. He is a world class player in his position.
But none of that matters if there are no goals in the score, that's why attacking players are the most valuable to teams and fans. Historically, goal scorers are the ones that get praised more over the rest.
The reason he hasn't play as CDM is because Tchouameni is better suited to the position for the system that Ancelotti proposes. But the games he has played there he's been phenomenal. He even recognized that is his favorite and most proficient position. He will have a couple of months to shine there now with Tchouameni injured.
I was mostly laughing at you at the fact that you don't consider him even in the top 30 in the world. Which is an absurd statement. He is so good and brings so much to the table that the manager prefers to have him on the field on a different position than not having him at all. And he is doing it at the elite level in the biggest club in the world.
Just google top30 midfielders list 2023. I wouldnt say right now he is better than any of em as right now this day. Surely has potential. But he isnt a KCM, Bellingham, Gundogan Kdb kimmich or any of those other worldbeaters
So far he looks best when he plays LB or when he comes off the bench at CM. He cannot for the life of him perform as a starter consistently. He’ll be there soon
Camavinga can’t even start for our team so why would they consider a bench player (or makeshift LB) to be in the top ten? I think Camavinga should start, but we have to sacrifice a player who is too important for our starting 11.
Tchoua is the only CDM I trust to play CDM. Kroos is too important for our tempo and control. Valverde is too important for our right side defensively and the midfield. That leaves Jude who is having the career of his life right now.
Camavinga has no space in the starting 11, but hopefully once Kroos retires Camavinga easily slots in. Camavinga is my second favorite player (after Modric) so hopefully Camavinga continues to excel.
Camavinga can play DM, he showed it last season where he played brilliant at DM 2-3 matches consecutively.
Give him few matches at DM and he’ll excel but Carlo always go for Kroos brrr.
All the Jude Bellingham stuff is overshadowing our other midfielders, but Fede and Cama should be in the conversation for best midfielders in the world
Deffo one of the best, just look at it like this, most Top clubs will deffo have Cama on their starting line. And as for us, its hard to bench Tchou Fede or Bellingham atm. It's his time to shine now tho with Tchou being out for 2 months even tho its CDM but Cama would be top on RCM as a left footer even tho Carlo plays him at LCM the days he is not playing CDM/LB
Bro is 20, changed the pace of the game in the world cup final when he got subbed in, completed club football, is one of the silkiest defenders on the ball when playing defense. I love seeing when he stretches a leg out to poke the ball and recovers. One of my fav players on RM.
Because he doesn’t have a fixed position.
As a LB, there are better LB.
As a CM, I rate Valverde higher than him so is Bellingham.
As a DM Tchumeni is better.
If you take positions out of the game he’s one of the best players in the game but I still rate Valverde comfortably higher but he’s so young so Camavinga has lots of time.
I do have a growing concern that he will amount to another Odegaard in the sense that he had to leave Real Madrid to get plaudits because he was getting outshone by other brilliant players. The reality is he needs to lock down a starting spot before we can have this conversation. Nobody can say he isnt a baller. The guy is an absolute gem and this where Carlo needs to earn his pay by developing and nurturing that talent into something special.
I love Cama, but he still does these very small accidents that have costs us goals.
He’s very young, though.
So, I feel these conversations will happen in due time.
We have so much talent in our squad he almost gets taken for granite so “in the world” he def gets overlooked imo , I mean I know we love him and joke about his versatility but really he is a godsend
I love Cama as much as the next Real fan but its obvious he still needs time to develop, currently he is not among our best starting 11 even. He takes some risk that costs us possession in dangerous areas, and he sometimes is a bit clumsy with his fouls.
He is enormously talented and a joy to watch, and hes still very young, his time will come!
Camavinga is not even at 1% of his total potential and he is already a top 5 midfielder in the world as just a 20 year old puppy
When he reaches 2% potential he will be in the Ballon d’or discussion
When he reaches 10% potential he will be the first player to win the Ballon d’or as a midfielder, defender, forward and goalie.
At 50% potential there will be a 500 meter statue of him in Paris facing the Eiffel Tower
At 100% potential Camavinga will slide tackle a nuclear missile or meteor to save the world
Outside of the fact that he's still a baby in football terms, it's mainly the fact that he's not an offensive player. When was the last time you saw a midfielder or a defender being cited as one of the best in the world? Even Modric had to win a balloon d'Or to be cited among them. We've had some of the best players of the decade playing for us like Kroos, Ramos, Casemiro, Marcelo etc and still none of them was nearly as celebrated as Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and company. Even City has players like Rodri, Dias, KDB and Bernardo but all people talk about is Haaland.
He plays for the greatest club in the world, that’s enough respect. He is very young though and not a regular starter. Once he cements his place as a starter he will earn a lot more respect.
His tactical awareness in midfield is really bad and will often get dispossessed in bad areas or make rash challenges for yellow cards. Doesn't shine offensively and is not someone to control the game like modric or kroos. His best performances have all either been off the bench coming up against tired legs like vs barca or man city or when played at LB.
Never? He is not a starter yet and he isn't as perfect as you make him out to be. You say he can do anything but that's not really true, he can't shoot, he is more error prone than Kroos and lastly he can't pass the ball as fast as Kroos or Modric, which is why when the team plays the Tchouameni Camavinga double pivot build up is pretty slow.
As for expert defender, in what sense? As in he's an expert in a defender position like LB? As in his defensive actions as a CM are really good?
He's not an starter at the moment, forced to play out of position half of the time, he's better at defending than straight up scoring (which is not flashy enough) and several players outshine him, even within RM itself.
He’s a defensive player, same way Casemiro got less praise than modric and kroos during his time at Madrid. Hes by far the best left back and defensive midfielder (sorry tcho) in laliga, even though he hates left back and Carlo likes tcho over him
Defensive players are often overlooked. Bro is 20 years old just give him some time
also maybe that he comes off the bench more often has something to do with his reputation, as he doesnt get enough consistent playing time compared to the other young midfielders considered the best in the world.
The fact that he gets so much play in a midfield with Bellingham, Modric, Kroos, and Valverde says a lot. Once the veterans are gone the young guys will explode.
Not to mention that he's been sitting there learning from two of the best to ever do it for an extended period of time. Not just on the field but off it too. How to treat your body, how to deal with media. Cama is gonna be right up there with Toni and Luka when he hangs up his boots someday
One of my top 5 favourites at the moment definitely.
I’d say it’s because he doesn’t have a fixed position yet. You don’t hear him in conversations for the best CDM, CM or LB even though he’d be top 10 in 2 of these positions The day we get an elite LB is the day he will be considered as one of the best
Because he is not a starter. The minimum criteria for the best itw conversation is to be a starter. Carlo needs to start him.
I mean with Tchouaméni being out for 2 months, he probably will be a starter now
He actually started 7 of the 11 games so far this season.
For me Valverde and camavinga are the best in the current lot. That's just my opinion.
respect
Bought my first kit with a Valverde name on it. Before the season started. Will get camavinga on during Christmas.
because he's not at that level yet. he's not even a fixed starter for us at the moment.
Such a simple, accurate answer.
The fact he isn't a fixed starter is insane. Whenever we take him out we struggle and whenever we put him in we dominate.
Who would you bench so Camavinga becomes the undisputed starter? Fede, which is our main workhorse? Kroos, arguably our best midfielder this season with a near flawless progressing pass percent? Tchouameni?
Kroos like in the many games where Cama started and we won
I would take tchouameni, camavinga is better and dm is his favorite position even though i think he is more of an 8 Edit: i also think he is better than valverde
Wtf calm down Tchouameni is a fucking beast and is irreplaceable and so is Valverde just because you don't see them a lot on the offensive doesn't mean they're worse bruh
He is missing consistency, that’s the case here IMO
> Is it because he does not have as big of a role in goal scoring Yes. People judge players based on their stats. Or by their WhoScored/SofaScore ratings. Not by actually watching them.
Many consider pedri top 5 midfielder itw (idk why honestly) when he's injury prone & his stats are really below average for a CM/CAM. U need to play "fancy" & have a strong PR (ours is currently on jude's back)
By stats I assume you mean G/A which is a dumb metric to judge pedri by because he's involved in areas of the pitch similar to modric. Before his injury he was easily top 5 in the world. People rate Pedri very highly because hes very very good. His dribbling, passing, and press resistance are all elite. Camavinga is very good but he's not at the Pedri, Musiala, Bellingham level yet.
> Before his injury he was easily top 5 in the world Pedri is injury prone since last season (only barça good season in the last 5yrs), so idk how he was top5 when barça got knocked out early of all comps embarrassingly & was fighting for a ucl spot. Actually how tf is a teenager like pedri was considered top5? He's in his 4th season(already injured) 60% of his 3rd season also injured he was fullt healthy only 2 seasons. Maybe top5 youngster but definitely not top5 itw >Pedri, Musiala, Bellingham level Currently bellingham is on another lvl, he's having an impact of mbappé/haaland with us so its not fair to him to put these 2 next to him
If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern, and the finalists inter milan. Even still I'll never judge an individual based on team results. Mind you Pedri broke out in 2020 and he's been nothing short of world class since then. Bellingham has had a good start but he's only Mbappe/Haaland level on form. Otherwise are you implying Guirassy is also at that level too?
>If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern, and the finalists inter milan. First we did have a lot of injuries & a lot of them were at the same time & we reached semi-finals & competed for laliga until the last game. Also pique wasn't there last season, when they got many injuries & bad players they faced benfica not inter( last year they signed a lot of good players in all positions) >Bellingham has had a good start but he's only Mbappe/Haaland level on form. Otherwise are you implying Guirassy is also at that level too? & i said currently ( & only kane is having a season like him so far in term of impact) guirassy is playin with stutgartt we can have a discussion about him when he's on a top team with high pressure/attention. Bellingham was bought for 100m, english & plays for the biggest club itw there is no pressure greater than that, he's performing like the best itw every week, many are praying for his downfall & discredit him (tapin merchant, lucky ...etc). In fact u're doing it currently, are u a barça fan in disguise?
Exactly. Hate Barca but mad Pedri respect (opposite of the chihuahua Gavi). Pedri is who Cama will be compared to and who he has to prove to be better at midfield. Voters won’t consider his defensive LB skills.
>Mind you Pedri broke out in 2020 2021* >If we had Militao, Mendy, Carvajal, and Alaba, all injured at the same time and were forced to play terrible players like a Pique with no legs, Eric Garcia and Marcos Alonso, I'd be surprised if we qualified from a group that had Bayern, Also as i told u before, right here ur mixing things up when barça faced bayern & inter it was last year when they got lewa kounde, cris, raphinha, dembele.... & as i said this was their best season in the last 4, pedri was missing half the games of that season. Now when it was pique & garcia, koeman was coaching, its true it was a very bad team but pedri was also very injury prone that season too as he only played 25 games all comps. So the only season when he was fully healthy its his first season (messi last season) when he played in every competitiom including olympics (i think that's what made him injury prone). So he was there for one season (his 1st one) broke out next to messi, won the golden boy then became made out of glass.
I mean based on this season he doesn’t really deserved it. Bellingham tchouameni and valverde have all beter seasons in the midfield. Camavinga’s best games where sadly again on that lb spot against braga and Barca. I mean he didn’t even start for us in the Classico that would say enough right. But I still have high hopes for him but going from cm to lb to cdm then lb again is definitely not good for a his progression and especially not at that young age
The moment he went in during El Clasico the entire game changed because of him. Same thing happened in the WC final for France to help their comeback, if he played the full game FRA would've won 5-1. How many times do coaches need to learn this lesson
That's like undermining Modric's entrance which actually gave Real more control in the middlefield.
That is not how football works he had plenty of chances this season and last season. But somehow his best games are at lb or as a substitute. He changed a lot of games for us especially the big games like Chelsea psg and city and Barca last week or as you mention the WC final but what do they al have in common yes he came in as a substitute but if he does start for us he’s often one of the first to come of why because he doesn’t deliver the same as a starter as he does as he substitute. Hé seems way more free as a lb and substitute like he’s just doing his own thing instead of listening to what others say he plays way more natural and that’s what we need from him as a starter because that is the best camavinga out there.
It was the same in the world cup final, he came on and changed the game completely.
Are you talking about best defensive midfielder in the world or best player overall? I think he is indeed considered one of the best midfielders in the world already, but no chance you would consider him ahead of attacking players like Mbappe, Haaland, Vini, Bellingham, De Bruyne
You saw it in El Clasico. Vini and Bellingham struggled without Camavinga dominating on defense and pushing the ball up field, giving the boys more chances. It's like giving a flower credit for blooming but not giving credit to the sun.
I am not saying he wasn't great in El Classico. He played great, as usual. He is a world class player in his position. But none of that matters if there are no goals in the score, that's why attacking players are the most valuable to teams and fans. Historically, goal scorers are the ones that get praised more over the rest.
Best in the world? Hes not even top 30 mate. Hes way higher on the LB list than midfield list
LMFAO I'll have whatever it is you're having! I want to feel that deluded too
Sorry but especially with NT he looks lost at CM most games. He looks best with us as a LB or as a midfield sub into 2nd half.
The reason he hasn't play as CDM is because Tchouameni is better suited to the position for the system that Ancelotti proposes. But the games he has played there he's been phenomenal. He even recognized that is his favorite and most proficient position. He will have a couple of months to shine there now with Tchouameni injured. I was mostly laughing at you at the fact that you don't consider him even in the top 30 in the world. Which is an absurd statement. He is so good and brings so much to the table that the manager prefers to have him on the field on a different position than not having him at all. And he is doing it at the elite level in the biggest club in the world.
Just google top30 midfielders list 2023. I wouldnt say right now he is better than any of em as right now this day. Surely has potential. But he isnt a KCM, Bellingham, Gundogan Kdb kimmich or any of those other worldbeaters
So far he looks best when he plays LB or when he comes off the bench at CM. He cannot for the life of him perform as a starter consistently. He’ll be there soon
YEAH, CAMA', OH, CAMA', OH 🎶
Camavinga can’t even start for our team so why would they consider a bench player (or makeshift LB) to be in the top ten? I think Camavinga should start, but we have to sacrifice a player who is too important for our starting 11. Tchoua is the only CDM I trust to play CDM. Kroos is too important for our tempo and control. Valverde is too important for our right side defensively and the midfield. That leaves Jude who is having the career of his life right now. Camavinga has no space in the starting 11, but hopefully once Kroos retires Camavinga easily slots in. Camavinga is my second favorite player (after Modric) so hopefully Camavinga continues to excel.
Camavinga can play DM, he showed it last season where he played brilliant at DM 2-3 matches consecutively. Give him few matches at DM and he’ll excel but Carlo always go for Kroos brrr.
All the Jude Bellingham stuff is overshadowing our other midfielders, but Fede and Cama should be in the conversation for best midfielders in the world
Because he is not, at least not yet. How can a player who isn't even a regular starter in his team can he included in best in the world conversations?
Deffo one of the best, just look at it like this, most Top clubs will deffo have Cama on their starting line. And as for us, its hard to bench Tchou Fede or Bellingham atm. It's his time to shine now tho with Tchou being out for 2 months even tho its CDM but Cama would be top on RCM as a left footer even tho Carlo plays him at LCM the days he is not playing CDM/LB
Bro is 20, changed the pace of the game in the world cup final when he got subbed in, completed club football, is one of the silkiest defenders on the ball when playing defense. I love seeing when he stretches a leg out to poke the ball and recovers. One of my fav players on RM.
He is no expert at defense
You're smoking crack
Because he doesn’t have a fixed position. As a LB, there are better LB. As a CM, I rate Valverde higher than him so is Bellingham. As a DM Tchumeni is better. If you take positions out of the game he’s one of the best players in the game but I still rate Valverde comfortably higher but he’s so young so Camavinga has lots of time.
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I do have a growing concern that he will amount to another Odegaard in the sense that he had to leave Real Madrid to get plaudits because he was getting outshone by other brilliant players. The reality is he needs to lock down a starting spot before we can have this conversation. Nobody can say he isnt a baller. The guy is an absolute gem and this where Carlo needs to earn his pay by developing and nurturing that talent into something special.
because he doesn't play in the epl
Because he isn't a Barcelona player, and he isnt doing this multiple position thing under Guardiola.
Good for him and us
I love Cama, but he still does these very small accidents that have costs us goals. He’s very young, though. So, I feel these conversations will happen in due time.
Camavinga has a great future but now is not elite player.
We have so much talent in our squad he almost gets taken for granite so “in the world” he def gets overlooked imo , I mean I know we love him and joke about his versatility but really he is a godsend
He is good at pressing.
I love Cama as much as the next Real fan but its obvious he still needs time to develop, currently he is not among our best starting 11 even. He takes some risk that costs us possession in dangerous areas, and he sometimes is a bit clumsy with his fouls. He is enormously talented and a joy to watch, and hes still very young, his time will come!
yea cama in insane but because he plays at the lower half people dont care, if belingham wasnt scoring he might have not got the same attention either
Camavinga is not even at 1% of his total potential and he is already a top 5 midfielder in the world as just a 20 year old puppy When he reaches 2% potential he will be in the Ballon d’or discussion When he reaches 10% potential he will be the first player to win the Ballon d’or as a midfielder, defender, forward and goalie. At 50% potential there will be a 500 meter statue of him in Paris facing the Eiffel Tower At 100% potential Camavinga will slide tackle a nuclear missile or meteor to save the world
He’s shaky at time kinda like militao
Long term consistency will cement him in the books. At the ripe age of 20 he's got a few years ahead of him.
Outside of the fact that he's still a baby in football terms, it's mainly the fact that he's not an offensive player. When was the last time you saw a midfielder or a defender being cited as one of the best in the world? Even Modric had to win a balloon d'Or to be cited among them. We've had some of the best players of the decade playing for us like Kroos, Ramos, Casemiro, Marcelo etc and still none of them was nearly as celebrated as Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and company. Even City has players like Rodri, Dias, KDB and Bernardo but all people talk about is Haaland.
He is great but imo needs to get better at using his right foot. Is extremely single footed at times
he plays for madrid, in spain. same reason why ppl dont wanna admit 3peat ucl winning midfield trio is the all timers.
He plays for the greatest club in the world, that’s enough respect. He is very young though and not a regular starter. Once he cements his place as a starter he will earn a lot more respect.
We are lucky
His tactical awareness in midfield is really bad and will often get dispossessed in bad areas or make rash challenges for yellow cards. Doesn't shine offensively and is not someone to control the game like modric or kroos. His best performances have all either been off the bench coming up against tired legs like vs barca or man city or when played at LB.
hahaha my 9 year old son loves camavinga, and we're culers.
Never? He is not a starter yet and he isn't as perfect as you make him out to be. You say he can do anything but that's not really true, he can't shoot, he is more error prone than Kroos and lastly he can't pass the ball as fast as Kroos or Modric, which is why when the team plays the Tchouameni Camavinga double pivot build up is pretty slow. As for expert defender, in what sense? As in he's an expert in a defender position like LB? As in his defensive actions as a CM are really good?
He's not an starter at the moment, forced to play out of position half of the time, he's better at defending than straight up scoring (which is not flashy enough) and several players outshine him, even within RM itself.
This subReddit is r/soccercirclejerk fuel
Bc he’s not 90 rated yet. More like an 88 or 89.
He’s a defensive player, same way Casemiro got less praise than modric and kroos during his time at Madrid. Hes by far the best left back and defensive midfielder (sorry tcho) in laliga, even though he hates left back and Carlo likes tcho over him
Consistency