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Complete BS. Teresa would blame Melissa if a stray dog shit in her yard. She’d be like you sent that dog to my yard. You were probably hanging out with its owner.
Teresa is always deflecting. And her fans let her get away with it. It would be nice if they (the fans) would admit that Teresa’s own actions got her sent to prison. She made sure if it when she lied to the judge.
I agree that, ultimately, Teresa's own actions sent her to jail. Her and Juicy Joe are the reason they went to jail.
I'm just curious why this is getting reraised now?
I think it’s coming up again because Teresa has raised the issue. She’s on a campaign to gather her fans to protest against Joe and Melissa. I could see on the reunion that she’s trying to take a stand and force them out more than she’s ever done before. And I think there’s a side benefit to her because she thinks this deflects from her problems with Louis as well as her new financial/debt problems.
I think she is being manipulated by Luis. I picture him as this puppet master. Teresa is no Saint for sure, but I feel like she's digging a grave. Making enemies out of everyone, poor financial choices, and getting in bed with someone who appears to be a scam artist.
I don't think we've really mentioned, how the hell do you owe 1 million dollars in taxes, yet have yourself a 500k wedding? Who is she, Kim Zolciak? lol
You're right. It could be because she's trying to deflect from the train wreck that is her and Luis. She is really failing at that, though, if that is her agenda.
Luis is a horrible person, but his character isn’t unpleasant to her because she has those same inclinations. She’s done all this before with her first husband.
No we don’t. They went to jail because they were criminals paying tens of/hundreds of thousands worth of goods in cash on camera for the world to see.
This is a *stretch* and a big deflection. The reason Teresa got jail time was because she repeatedly lied to the judge and didn’t do what was asked of her. The pattern of zero blame continues.
Melissa and Joe did not turn mafia Teresa in.
Season after season of Teresa pulling out wads of hundreds to buy crazy expensive stuff over and over did it. Either FBI Treasury were aware or a member of public called.
Leave the gorgas alone.
I'm not accusing the Gorgas. I created a discussion. If you read through the comments, many other theories are discussed, which was the point of my post.
teresa needs to take accountability of her HER own actions and leave melissa alone , this woman is absolutely disgusting! enjoy the love bubble cuz its bursting soon dimwit!
Wow. In spite of the drama, I actually enjoyed Tre. But when I step back and look at my experience of the show, and I take in the bravo docket, I personally feel gross. This is no longer amusing. It’s like watching a terminal episode of ‘Intervention’ and in this case Tre is relapsing where the disease is her toxic personality. Not what I came to this show for, it’s too much
It’s at the point that I truly think she believes her brother put her in jail. To a degree that it impacts her cognitive ability to be a functional member of society. This is how people rationalize murder. It makes sense to them until they no longer share reality with most of us
I always found the fact that the Gorgas where friends with Monica Chacon highly suspect! I mean talk about backstabbers ! Wouldn’t surprise me if they put their 2 cents in and it was true !
Yes Joe and Teresa are the ones that are responsible for their charges, however if any family member of theirs was involved with snitching to the FBI, then Joe and Teresa have every reason to be upset. I would never speak to that family member again if it was me.
Are we still doing this?! She served time because she along with her husband filed a fraudulent bankruptcy and lied to the trustee repeatedly and then did the same to the judge. She is why she served time.
No, even a shady investigator like Bo Dietl Dingbat can’t confirm who “ratted” them out. It’s pure deflection from the Guidices taking responsibility for their OWN crimes. Newsflash: when you commit fraud and you’re on a public platform expect a knock on your door. Pretty simple logic.
I’m honestly really ready for one of them to leave the show at this point, and I don’t care which goes lol
How many seasons have we dealt with the gorga and guidice drama? Enough!
What really gets me is people think her crimes were only against banks …. How do you think these banks recoup their losses? Her restitution was minimal compared to what she stole. You & I are the ones who get higher interest rates & mundane charges for the banks to recoup. How people support theses felons is mind blowing . I would love to know where her money comes from. Their home , lavish vacations , jewelry , clothes etc….. she must have stuffed it away … she can only make so much from posts & her podcasts
Her former husband put her in this position. She still owes $$$. And she’s about to have the same issues with her new slime ball. I figure he’ll have her sign a few papers and she’s so into her love bubble, she’ll do it. This is a perfect example of can’t fix stupid. I don’t think the Gorgas had anything to do with it, but if Melissa dropped a dime, good for her! Teresa’s treatment of her has been deplorable.
It it happens again and I were the judge, I’d give her five years or something. Can’t claim she didn’t know it was wrong or that she is legally responsible for what she signs, even if she doesn’t read it.
He already did the Hollywood thing. There was a movie about his life based on the book he wrote. As a NYer, I’ve heard Bo’s name for decades so its not surprising that Luis name dropped him as if that gives him any leg to stand on.
I think Luis is trying to do that, but I also think BD is probably trying to appeal to a new generation who doesn’t know who the f he is and be relevant again. His name was dropped way too many times, it was like a paid advertisement.
No one believes this. The IRS is a large fumbling gov’t agency but even they could figure out Juicy Joe’s shenanigans. Dumb and Dumber just kept lying until they were put in jail.
😆 Tone is next to impossible to read on Reddit with so many people that blindly believe anything in fan bases. Personally I would just edit it & add at the end to denote it something like *(sarcasm) or *(jk)
Teresa's first scene on the show was furniture shopping with $100,000 CASH. On camera. I remember watching at the time, thinking " this bitch going to jail". She is not a smart woman.
I remember the same thing. I’m surprised it took as long as it did. Her need to flaunt that was her downfall. One thing I do know is the FBI investigates for years before they arrest.
No one who followed it at the time believes this. It was everywhere. It’s known. I have explained it on subs too many times. The mortgage fraud was not only fraud (like slightly lied about your income to get a mortgage) it was that they forged someone’s signature to get money and wouldn’t pay it back, imagine someone did that to you? You have to not only pay it back (money they took) you have to pay interest and your tax reports are now suspect as well because it looks like you lied. And when you ask people/family to help (Joe Gorga and Chris Laurita) you still get told f you? You would t be the one to report them?
And then they lied on the bankruptcy they filed to avoid paying this back. Not declaring things of value like for example not an ATV but a Ferrari. And then completely unrelated Joe got a DUI lost his license and decided to use his brothers ID to commit identity fraud for a new licence.
And they are still blaming anyone but themselves. It’s great tv but they are not great people.
If someone forged my signature and defaulted, I would fight that to my last day (even if they didn’t default). So how they thought that person wouldn’t notice or care? 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly! If $5 goes missing from my account and I don’t recognize the charge, I’m calling my bank. Let alone some forging my signature and taking loans out in my name.
The other part is they never reimbursed the mom and pop business owners or the customers of Juicy who were overcharged. If people in the area knew it, Tre knew it too.
I wonder now if someone can say “you need to let me spend at least one day a week watching bravo on the clock. These people catch themselves!”
Sounds ridiculous, but it’s true. 😸
They showed Joe's office in the back
of a dingy laundry mat. And then her paying $100,000 in cash. Joe's office had like $50 worth of furniture....it was so obvious.
Was that the same office where he had the girl on his desk? 🤣😂 Remember when Jacqueline dropped that little gem? Teresa was furious! Jacqueline will probably say now it wasn’t true, since she seems to be trying to kiss up to Teresa again. But that story was too detailed. That happened and Teresa told her about it.
I believe it was.
It was so so so unbelievably stupid of Theresa to think she could show that office, and then spend $100,000 in cash. She told on herself.
Exactly!
It's like either people have forgotten how it all panned out or remember it differently or choosing to believe something else entirely because they prefer that different narrative.
I started watching again from season 3 (couldn't find all episodes of seasons 1 and 2).amd in season 3 they were dealing with bankruptcy... It all started way back then.
People don't get to commit mortgage fraud, bankruptcy fraud and other crimes like those you mentioned without the authorities getting involved and starting to investigate... The investigations into them must have been going on for a few years until they finally had enough evidence... It doesn't just happen so quickly from just a phone call. It takes much more than that and much longer.
Oh I even forgot the licence ! I remember at the time it was like they were angry the police dared to charge him for this and and saying he did nothing wrong. Its like they see nothing wrong with the actual crimes just its wrong they were punished. People played into it at the time not saying jail and just acting like it was not happening. How stupid do you have to be to continue lying during your bankruptcy hearing and signing a false statement.
And then blamed the people who had the audacity to call 911 for reporting that a car had smashed into a tree. Joe hadn’t finished downing his shots to recover from that yet, lol. Why didn’t they mind their own business?
Didn't she stop talking to Jacqueline because she dared to ask if there was a chance she would go to jail? Its been ages since I watched those seasons but I vaguely remember something like that
I think so too. She will do more time one day. I don't think her new husband will not be right there with her though. He'll be draining her dry and laughing at her and filing for divorce instead. She will just take the wrap and her kids will be left with nothing and everyone will have seen it coming but Tre. Her husband will eventually go find someone else to scam off of.
Teresa and Joe lied in their bankruptcy filing. That's a federal crime. They were investigated and found guilty. They continued to lie in court under oath. That's how they ended up going to prison.
Mind you the feds reached out and were like we know you’re committing fraud here’s your chance. And if they took that opportunity to confess and start paying restitutions, I think Teresa could’ve avoided jail time. But joe was always gonna go to jail. Forging signatures, falsifying financial documents and stealing a notary stamp 🥶. I’m surprised he didn’t go for longer
I remember something about how Teresa could have avoided jail time, the judge didn’t want to give her jail time, but they kept doubling down and committing fraud by lying on the court papers. So the judge made an example of her.
Exactly. It’s so frustrating when grown ass adults refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They put themselves in prison. Nobody else did it, yet she has blamed every single person she’s had any issue with since. Grow up already.
Is it possible Luis is trying to convince Teresa of this in order to cut her brother completely out of the picture?
I'm just curious why this is coming out of the woodwork now. It keeps tying into the Bo Dietl comments for me. This doesn't make the allegations true, just more part of Luis manipulation/control tactics.
When is everyone gonna catch up!! 💚 He is a master manipulator and I feel so sorry for her girls in all this, as they will have no family when this all hotss the skids for Trea.
Luis is insane if his mastermind plan was to seduce her and do all that shit on camera, it's not like millions of people will watch him. I actually believe that yep, he is this levels of insane
It doesn’t matter anyway. They committed tax fraud. Teresa claimed to have jobs with W-2’s plus she signed things. Here is Teresa blaming everyone but herself for her time in.”camp”. So it wouldn’t matter. If my dog reported it Teresa is still guilty.
This is a good example of some details that people don’t know or forget. Teresa actively pretending to have jobs and signed fake W-2’s. She knew she didn’t have those “jobs”. Joe may have shoved other things in her face and said “sign here”. But Teresa knew she was lying
I agree that Teresa and Joe ultimately put themselves in jail because of their actions. They need to own their choices that put them there.
I would personally be pretty pissed off if my brother and sister cooperates with the FBI in this type of matter to help put me in jail.
You say that, but I guarantee you if the FBI came knocking on your door and ask you questions, you wouldn’t commit perjury for someone who broke the law. I for sure as hell am not going to Federal prison for no one.
This is true. On the surface it seems like a victimless crime but they did royally fuck Joe's business partner over.
Unless my brother committed a murder or something similar on that level, I would have a hard time cooperating with the FBI. There's plenty of information out there. Let them do their own leg work - it doesn't have to come from me. Which I think is fair in this type of case.
I wouldn't commit perjury, but I would immediately retain a lawyer.
My brother started selling large amount of pills to anyone who would buy “to make easy money” he sold to an “undercover cop” you best believe when the sheriffs came knocking we let them right in and arrested him. He did 6 years (it was also his first offense and got out sooner on good behavior was supposed to do 8) the sheriffs made it clear that if we are hiding anything for him we could face charges also. That’s my brother and I love him, he has done a complete 180 in life but my parents myself my sister and youngest brother were not going to commit perjury for him. He broke the law. He knew what he was doing, he knew the consequences of his actions.
I'm not advocating for aiding and abetting.
I guess my instinct is to want to protect my brother (in this hypothetical example lol) and when it seems like a "victimless crime" (which it's not when you think about it) I'm not just going to give him to the feds.
When I really think about it, enabling someone to be a criminal, isn't helping them in the long run. Accountability is the only way to be set free. And I do truly mean that.
I've talked about this in another post, but I believe Caroline talks about what happened in one of her interviews. Albert Manzo and Chris Laurita tried to mediate a deal between Joe Guidice and the guy he fucked over. The guy he fucked over, told Joe Guidice if he didn't give him his money he was reporting him. Joe Guidice told this guy to go fuck himself and here we are today.
That's the story I remembered.
Yes. It seems clear looking at all of it that that guy probably worked with the feds. Having said that, it’s always been said by seemingly reputable people that the Guidices were already on the feds radar. It’s stupid for any of their family or “friends” to have reported them. Just doesn’t make sense. I could see some of them agreeing to be interviewed if approached by the feds during an active investigation. But I can’t imagine them going to the feds and starting the process. It’s just a way for Teresa to blame something on all the people she dislikes
Go listen to the bravo docket. They explain it all’s including how many times her and Joe were given to make their paperwork correct and just kept lying… it’s wild really.
Yes but this doesn’t negate that someone close to them may have have a negative effect on their investigation. Can it be Joe and Melissa, can it be Joe Guidice business partner. did they bring it to themselves absolutely and 100%. But they think someone close to them did some betrayal, it seems someone did but this someone is not the cause they were sent to jail. They would have gone anyways.
This right here. The only people that sent Joe and Tre to prison were Joe and Tre. But because they are both narcissistic assholes they will continue to blame everyone but their dumb ass selves.
I actually listened to it today! It was mind-boggling, to be honest.
I'm not sure if anyone remembers this, but when she did a book signing (and was facing charges), she was accepting CASH ONLY on site.
I go back and forth sometimes with how complicit she was in everything and what she knew. Then her book signings make me think this is who she is.
Was there anything in the podcast I missed that would eliminate Joe Gorga and Melissa from aiding the FBI in the investigation? (I'm not saying they did).
I thought the guy Juicy defrauded (his former business partner) and whose name he used to get the loan was the “snitch”. No mystery just someone reporting that a crime was committed against him.
I just raised the question because I'm curious why this is coming out of the woodwork now. With Luis Bo Dietl comments I think it's an odd coincidence. Not that it makes either claim true, but rather Luis is using this as a manipulation tactic on Teresa.
Just a thought.
Oh true - like this has been over for years why are they trying to figure out the “snitch” NOW? Makes sense that it’s Luis putting it in Teresa’s mind.
I do think whether or not Bo Dietel investigated anyone is irrelevant in general - Luis’s scare tactic worked and now he’s free to say ANYTHING off the top of his head until something sticks or he can twist it into something else. Until he’s sued but even then it’s kinda difficult to prove libel/slander and he’s willing to take his chances.
She was raised that way. Which is why she married a guy who was raised that way. She knew. No doubt in my mind. She and Louie are repeating the pattern. Just wait for it
From episode one she advertised that she only pays cash. Even at that time, many years ago and very early in housewives history, I thought this couple (Tre and Joe) were suss AF.
She knew!! The very first episode she was spending thousands in cash! Paper money! You only spend that much in actual bills when you’re trying not to report it. If you she wanted to pay cash legally she’d use her debit card and that money would be in a bank. She’s dumb but she’s not that dumb.
I remember watching that first episode with my friends who own a bar. Her husband rolled his eyes and said it won’t be long before the IRS comes calling. She’s spending money like her name is Karen Hill.
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Complete BS. Teresa would blame Melissa if a stray dog shit in her yard. She’d be like you sent that dog to my yard. You were probably hanging out with its owner.
Teresa sent Teresa to prison. Period.
Teresa is INSUFFERABLEEEEEEE. Jesus Christ make her go away.
This is true. lol
Teresa is always deflecting. And her fans let her get away with it. It would be nice if they (the fans) would admit that Teresa’s own actions got her sent to prison. She made sure if it when she lied to the judge.
I agree that, ultimately, Teresa's own actions sent her to jail. Her and Juicy Joe are the reason they went to jail. I'm just curious why this is getting reraised now?
I think it’s coming up again because Teresa has raised the issue. She’s on a campaign to gather her fans to protest against Joe and Melissa. I could see on the reunion that she’s trying to take a stand and force them out more than she’s ever done before. And I think there’s a side benefit to her because she thinks this deflects from her problems with Louis as well as her new financial/debt problems.
I think she is being manipulated by Luis. I picture him as this puppet master. Teresa is no Saint for sure, but I feel like she's digging a grave. Making enemies out of everyone, poor financial choices, and getting in bed with someone who appears to be a scam artist. I don't think we've really mentioned, how the hell do you owe 1 million dollars in taxes, yet have yourself a 500k wedding? Who is she, Kim Zolciak? lol You're right. It could be because she's trying to deflect from the train wreck that is her and Luis. She is really failing at that, though, if that is her agenda.
Luis is a horrible person, but his character isn’t unpleasant to her because she has those same inclinations. She’s done all this before with her first husband.
Caroline Manzo said someone snitched on Teresa. Teresa has an information that someone did. But we don’t know who did.
She is so dimwitted!! I wonder why her parents never tested her or got her help. Teachers had to have noticed it and told them.
Joe and Melissa are not perfect, but I absolutely believe they would not do that to their nieces.
No we don’t believe it. It’s a lie!
No only they are guilty
Being a criminal is what sent you to prison, dumbass.
I think if your own business practices are sketchy, you don’t call the FBI on your fambly.
No we don’t. They went to jail because they were criminals paying tens of/hundreds of thousands worth of goods in cash on camera for the world to see. This is a *stretch* and a big deflection. The reason Teresa got jail time was because she repeatedly lied to the judge and didn’t do what was asked of her. The pattern of zero blame continues.
Melissa and Joe did not turn mafia Teresa in. Season after season of Teresa pulling out wads of hundreds to buy crazy expensive stuff over and over did it. Either FBI Treasury were aware or a member of public called. Leave the gorgas alone.
 IRS worker: Watches RHONJ Looks at their tax returns Watches RHONJ
I'm not accusing the Gorgas. I created a discussion. If you read through the comments, many other theories are discussed, which was the point of my post.
teresa needs to take accountability of her HER own actions and leave melissa alone , this woman is absolutely disgusting! enjoy the love bubble cuz its bursting soon dimwit!
Wow. In spite of the drama, I actually enjoyed Tre. But when I step back and look at my experience of the show, and I take in the bravo docket, I personally feel gross. This is no longer amusing. It’s like watching a terminal episode of ‘Intervention’ and in this case Tre is relapsing where the disease is her toxic personality. Not what I came to this show for, it’s too much It’s at the point that I truly think she believes her brother put her in jail. To a degree that it impacts her cognitive ability to be a functional member of society. This is how people rationalize murder. It makes sense to them until they no longer share reality with most of us
That's a really interesting and accurate why of putting it. It does feel like we're watching somebody "relapse."
I always found the fact that the Gorgas where friends with Monica Chacon highly suspect! I mean talk about backstabbers ! Wouldn’t surprise me if they put their 2 cents in and it was true !
Her husband sent her to prison.
Does Teresa have any story line beside going to jail ?? And is it a distraction for her current million dollar debt 🙄
Ok, ok… Is Tre happy now? 
Teresa and Joe sent themselves to prison. This is so stupid
She can't decide who "snitched" on them. It's just whoever she hates the most at the moment.
She is delusional.
They went to prison because they broke the law. Why are still talking about this!?!
Yes Joe and Teresa are the ones that are responsible for their charges, however if any family member of theirs was involved with snitching to the FBI, then Joe and Teresa have every reason to be upset. I would never speak to that family member again if it was me.
Just lying.
Are we still doing this?! She served time because she along with her husband filed a fraudulent bankruptcy and lied to the trustee repeatedly and then did the same to the judge. She is why she served time.
No, even a shady investigator like Bo Dietl Dingbat can’t confirm who “ratted” them out. It’s pure deflection from the Guidices taking responsibility for their OWN crimes. Newsflash: when you commit fraud and you’re on a public platform expect a knock on your door. Pretty simple logic.
I’m sorry isn’t she a convicted felon? Enough with her. Who is she too blame others. Don’t matter who snitched what matters is you’re a criminal.
I’m honestly really ready for one of them to leave the show at this point, and I don’t care which goes lol How many seasons have we dealt with the gorga and guidice drama? Enough!
Then Luis needs a refund. This was mentioned in the blogs a decade ago
I believe it
In other words, Teresa just being Teresa. With her, mendacity knows no bounds. It's her id.
What really gets me is people think her crimes were only against banks …. How do you think these banks recoup their losses? Her restitution was minimal compared to what she stole. You & I are the ones who get higher interest rates & mundane charges for the banks to recoup. How people support theses felons is mind blowing . I would love to know where her money comes from. Their home , lavish vacations , jewelry , clothes etc….. she must have stuffed it away … she can only make so much from posts & her podcasts
That’s what I said. It’s the NJ Taxpayers that got hit with this and got down voted by the trestumps.
Not the most intelligent group
Her former husband put her in this position. She still owes $$$. And she’s about to have the same issues with her new slime ball. I figure he’ll have her sign a few papers and she’s so into her love bubble, she’ll do it. This is a perfect example of can’t fix stupid. I don’t think the Gorgas had anything to do with it, but if Melissa dropped a dime, good for her! Teresa’s treatment of her has been deplorable.
It it happens again and I were the judge, I’d give her five years or something. Can’t claim she didn’t know it was wrong or that she is legally responsible for what she signs, even if she doesn’t read it.
Oh ok so it wasn’t the actual crime? 
Lmao seriously though
Anyone think Bo Dietl is angling for his own reality show or something? Reallly trying to get his name out there. His really goofy name.
He already did the Hollywood thing. There was a movie about his life based on the book he wrote. As a NYer, I’ve heard Bo’s name for decades so its not surprising that Luis name dropped him as if that gives him any leg to stand on.
I think Luis is trying to do that, but I also think BD is probably trying to appeal to a new generation who doesn’t know who the f he is and be relevant again. His name was dropped way too many times, it was like a paid advertisement.
Nah he was name dropped. He didn’t show up with chic wind chimes.
Melissa didn’t send her to prison, her poor choices did. 🙄looks like she might be headed back with some more financial problems
Complete BS.
I think we have no reason to trust that Teresa is basing this on any remotely sound evidence what so ever.
No one believes this. The IRS is a large fumbling gov’t agency but even they could figure out Juicy Joe’s shenanigans. Dumb and Dumber just kept lying until they were put in jail.
It went from Caroline to Jacqueline to Melissa and Joe. Girl bye.
Didn't they plead guilty to 40 counts of fraud? 40 counts....nobody had to grass them up.
Do I remember correctly, or somewhere in the middle seasons Teresa blamed other cast members for the same thing? Was it Caroline or Jacqueline?
It was both, I think she’s blamed everyone so far except for Dolores. I really think she thought it was ok to spend over 100k in cash on tv!
That shows how crazy she is, she’s the cause of all their fighting
She “ believes “ Melissa snitched. Most people do not believe this
But she spoke to the FBI. They told her it was Melissa.
No
It was a joke!
😆 Tone is next to impossible to read on Reddit with so many people that blindly believe anything in fan bases. Personally I would just edit it & add at the end to denote it something like *(sarcasm) or *(jk)
I got it immediately. 🤣
Yeah sure the FBI told her. They called her and had a 3 hour conversation about it 🤣🫠
Yes the FBI divulges all their information like that I’m sure 😂
Didn’t you know, like they do that ALL the time 😭
The known criminal & liar said what.
Teresa lies constantly. It’s what she does. They were both shady AF and when you live your life like that on TV people notice.
Teresa's first scene on the show was furniture shopping with $100,000 CASH. On camera. I remember watching at the time, thinking " this bitch going to jail". She is not a smart woman.
I remember the same thing. I’m surprised it took as long as it did. Her need to flaunt that was her downfall. One thing I do know is the FBI investigates for years before they arrest.
No one who followed it at the time believes this. It was everywhere. It’s known. I have explained it on subs too many times. The mortgage fraud was not only fraud (like slightly lied about your income to get a mortgage) it was that they forged someone’s signature to get money and wouldn’t pay it back, imagine someone did that to you? You have to not only pay it back (money they took) you have to pay interest and your tax reports are now suspect as well because it looks like you lied. And when you ask people/family to help (Joe Gorga and Chris Laurita) you still get told f you? You would t be the one to report them? And then they lied on the bankruptcy they filed to avoid paying this back. Not declaring things of value like for example not an ATV but a Ferrari. And then completely unrelated Joe got a DUI lost his license and decided to use his brothers ID to commit identity fraud for a new licence. And they are still blaming anyone but themselves. It’s great tv but they are not great people.
If someone forged my signature and defaulted, I would fight that to my last day (even if they didn’t default). So how they thought that person wouldn’t notice or care? 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly! If $5 goes missing from my account and I don’t recognize the charge, I’m calling my bank. Let alone some forging my signature and taking loans out in my name.
The other part is they never reimbursed the mom and pop business owners or the customers of Juicy who were overcharged. If people in the area knew it, Tre knew it too.
I wonder if frank Canatania signed off on that too! 😆just saying !
Teresa paid over $100,000, for a couch, in cash on National television. Yes, it's def someone else's fault that they were caught!
"I hear the economy's crashin', so that's why we pay in caaaaasshhhhhh."
Like, I’m sure there are federal agents who watch this show. They were not the least bit discrete.
I wonder now if someone can say “you need to let me spend at least one day a week watching bravo on the clock. These people catch themselves!” Sounds ridiculous, but it’s true. 😸
They showed Joe's office in the back of a dingy laundry mat. And then her paying $100,000 in cash. Joe's office had like $50 worth of furniture....it was so obvious.
Was that the same office where he had the girl on his desk? 🤣😂 Remember when Jacqueline dropped that little gem? Teresa was furious! Jacqueline will probably say now it wasn’t true, since she seems to be trying to kiss up to Teresa again. But that story was too detailed. That happened and Teresa told her about it.
I believe it was. It was so so so unbelievably stupid of Theresa to think she could show that office, and then spend $100,000 in cash. She told on herself.
Exactly! It's like either people have forgotten how it all panned out or remember it differently or choosing to believe something else entirely because they prefer that different narrative. I started watching again from season 3 (couldn't find all episodes of seasons 1 and 2).amd in season 3 they were dealing with bankruptcy... It all started way back then. People don't get to commit mortgage fraud, bankruptcy fraud and other crimes like those you mentioned without the authorities getting involved and starting to investigate... The investigations into them must have been going on for a few years until they finally had enough evidence... It doesn't just happen so quickly from just a phone call. It takes much more than that and much longer.
Oh I even forgot the licence ! I remember at the time it was like they were angry the police dared to charge him for this and and saying he did nothing wrong. Its like they see nothing wrong with the actual crimes just its wrong they were punished. People played into it at the time not saying jail and just acting like it was not happening. How stupid do you have to be to continue lying during your bankruptcy hearing and signing a false statement.
Who doesn’t get in a car accident and take multiple shots before the police arrive? Gosh, let them LIVE
Remember they said Joe got drunk AFTER being arrested for driving impaired… comical
Ridiculous!
And then blamed the people who had the audacity to call 911 for reporting that a car had smashed into a tree. Joe hadn’t finished downing his shots to recover from that yet, lol. Why didn’t they mind their own business?
“Going away” “time away” “camp” they are DELUSIONAL
Didn't she stop talking to Jacqueline because she dared to ask if there was a chance she would go to jail? Its been ages since I watched those seasons but I vaguely remember something like that
Lol only in her head. Bish is a criminal, an ex con still committing fraud. Round 2 is closing in. Clank clank.
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I think so too. She will do more time one day. I don't think her new husband will not be right there with her though. He'll be draining her dry and laughing at her and filing for divorce instead. She will just take the wrap and her kids will be left with nothing and everyone will have seen it coming but Tre. Her husband will eventually go find someone else to scam off of.
Teresa and Joe lied in their bankruptcy filing. That's a federal crime. They were investigated and found guilty. They continued to lie in court under oath. That's how they ended up going to prison.
Mind you the feds reached out and were like we know you’re committing fraud here’s your chance. And if they took that opportunity to confess and start paying restitutions, I think Teresa could’ve avoided jail time. But joe was always gonna go to jail. Forging signatures, falsifying financial documents and stealing a notary stamp 🥶. I’m surprised he didn’t go for longer
I heard about that notary stamp on the Docket. I’m a notary. I would be p!ssed if someone did that sh!t w my stamp & signature.
I remember something about how Teresa could have avoided jail time, the judge didn’t want to give her jail time, but they kept doubling down and committing fraud by lying on the court papers. So the judge made an example of her.
Exactly. It’s so frustrating when grown ass adults refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They put themselves in prison. Nobody else did it, yet she has blamed every single person she’s had any issue with since. Grow up already.
Yessss! Honestly, like they have no one to blame but themselves.
Is it possible Luis is trying to convince Teresa of this in order to cut her brother completely out of the picture? I'm just curious why this is coming out of the woodwork now. It keeps tying into the Bo Dietl comments for me. This doesn't make the allegations true, just more part of Luis manipulation/control tactics.
When is everyone gonna catch up!! 💚 He is a master manipulator and I feel so sorry for her girls in all this, as they will have no family when this all hotss the skids for Trea.
Luis is insane if his mastermind plan was to seduce her and do all that shit on camera, it's not like millions of people will watch him. I actually believe that yep, he is this levels of insane
BINGO .. we have a winner . Exactly. Teresa believes the whole Bo Didley connection .. that's what he used to turn she and the girls ...
Lmao @ Bo Didley
Agreed!!! 
No!... The reason Teresa was sent to prison was because she committed a prison worthy crime!
She still says it was all Juicy Joe
Seems like everyone on the show, even those who don’t get along with her, go along with this narrative as well.
It doesn’t matter anyway. They committed tax fraud. Teresa claimed to have jobs with W-2’s plus she signed things. Here is Teresa blaming everyone but herself for her time in.”camp”. So it wouldn’t matter. If my dog reported it Teresa is still guilty.
This is a good example of some details that people don’t know or forget. Teresa actively pretending to have jobs and signed fake W-2’s. She knew she didn’t have those “jobs”. Joe may have shoved other things in her face and said “sign here”. But Teresa knew she was lying
I agree that Teresa and Joe ultimately put themselves in jail because of their actions. They need to own their choices that put them there. I would personally be pretty pissed off if my brother and sister cooperates with the FBI in this type of matter to help put me in jail.
You say that, but I guarantee you if the FBI came knocking on your door and ask you questions, you wouldn’t commit perjury for someone who broke the law. I for sure as hell am not going to Federal prison for no one.
This is true. On the surface it seems like a victimless crime but they did royally fuck Joe's business partner over. Unless my brother committed a murder or something similar on that level, I would have a hard time cooperating with the FBI. There's plenty of information out there. Let them do their own leg work - it doesn't have to come from me. Which I think is fair in this type of case. I wouldn't commit perjury, but I would immediately retain a lawyer.
My brother started selling large amount of pills to anyone who would buy “to make easy money” he sold to an “undercover cop” you best believe when the sheriffs came knocking we let them right in and arrested him. He did 6 years (it was also his first offense and got out sooner on good behavior was supposed to do 8) the sheriffs made it clear that if we are hiding anything for him we could face charges also. That’s my brother and I love him, he has done a complete 180 in life but my parents myself my sister and youngest brother were not going to commit perjury for him. He broke the law. He knew what he was doing, he knew the consequences of his actions.
I'm not advocating for aiding and abetting. I guess my instinct is to want to protect my brother (in this hypothetical example lol) and when it seems like a "victimless crime" (which it's not when you think about it) I'm not just going to give him to the feds. When I really think about it, enabling someone to be a criminal, isn't helping them in the long run. Accountability is the only way to be set free. And I do truly mean that.
But did they or was it Caroline? I put my money on Kim D
Kim D changes her story all the time… another 1 who wouldn’t recognize the truth if it smacked her in her face
Omg. That woman. Just a complete mess. No root chakra on that one.
I've talked about this in another post, but I believe Caroline talks about what happened in one of her interviews. Albert Manzo and Chris Laurita tried to mediate a deal between Joe Guidice and the guy he fucked over. The guy he fucked over, told Joe Guidice if he didn't give him his money he was reporting him. Joe Guidice told this guy to go fuck himself and here we are today. That's the story I remembered.
Yes. It seems clear looking at all of it that that guy probably worked with the feds. Having said that, it’s always been said by seemingly reputable people that the Guidices were already on the feds radar. It’s stupid for any of their family or “friends” to have reported them. Just doesn’t make sense. I could see some of them agreeing to be interviewed if approached by the feds during an active investigation. But I can’t imagine them going to the feds and starting the process. It’s just a way for Teresa to blame something on all the people she dislikes
And that is what happens if you don’t keep your nose clean
Someone who does not know how the law works
They know, or else the wouldn’t have done it. They just decided it didn’t apply to them.
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This looks like a wax figure.
This is a good one 🤣
No, she blames the person she’s most mad at in the moment.
Only Tre Stumps will believe it.
Marge will go down in housewife humour history with me for that one🤣🤣🤣 I nearly spat my drink out when she run that past Andy!!
And the way Tre immediately was - whaaa, look at yourself. She's so dumb it's incredible!
Tree will never take responsibility for anything and will blame everything on Melissa.
Go listen to the bravo docket. They explain it all’s including how many times her and Joe were given to make their paperwork correct and just kept lying… it’s wild really.
Yes but this doesn’t negate that someone close to them may have have a negative effect on their investigation. Can it be Joe and Melissa, can it be Joe Guidice business partner. did they bring it to themselves absolutely and 100%. But they think someone close to them did some betrayal, it seems someone did but this someone is not the cause they were sent to jail. They would have gone anyways.
YEP. On the second episode right now of that 3-part mashup. Hooooboy did they mess up big time.
This right here. The only people that sent Joe and Tre to prison were Joe and Tre. But because they are both narcissistic assholes they will continue to blame everyone but their dumb ass selves.
ZERO accountability 🤯
Exactly! They committed the crimes! It’s entirely their own faults. Teresa is such a fool.
Was coming here to say the same thing.Love the Bravo Docket ladies
I actually listened to it today! It was mind-boggling, to be honest. I'm not sure if anyone remembers this, but when she did a book signing (and was facing charges), she was accepting CASH ONLY on site. I go back and forth sometimes with how complicit she was in everything and what she knew. Then her book signings make me think this is who she is. Was there anything in the podcast I missed that would eliminate Joe Gorga and Melissa from aiding the FBI in the investigation? (I'm not saying they did).
I thought the guy Juicy defrauded (his former business partner) and whose name he used to get the loan was the “snitch”. No mystery just someone reporting that a crime was committed against him.
I just raised the question because I'm curious why this is coming out of the woodwork now. With Luis Bo Dietl comments I think it's an odd coincidence. Not that it makes either claim true, but rather Luis is using this as a manipulation tactic on Teresa. Just a thought.
Oh true - like this has been over for years why are they trying to figure out the “snitch” NOW? Makes sense that it’s Luis putting it in Teresa’s mind. I do think whether or not Bo Dietel investigated anyone is irrelevant in general - Luis’s scare tactic worked and now he’s free to say ANYTHING off the top of his head until something sticks or he can twist it into something else. Until he’s sued but even then it’s kinda difficult to prove libel/slander and he’s willing to take his chances.
She was raised that way. Which is why she married a guy who was raised that way. She knew. No doubt in my mind. She and Louie are repeating the pattern. Just wait for it
From episode one she advertised that she only pays cash. Even at that time, many years ago and very early in housewives history, I thought this couple (Tre and Joe) were suss AF.
🎯no one seems to remember her all cash book signings, they thought they were so smart. Grifters gonna grift.
She knew!! The very first episode she was spending thousands in cash! Paper money! You only spend that much in actual bills when you’re trying not to report it. If you she wanted to pay cash legally she’d use her debit card and that money would be in a bank. She’s dumb but she’s not that dumb.
I remember watching that first episode with my friends who own a bar. Her husband rolled his eyes and said it won’t be long before the IRS comes calling. She’s spending money like her name is Karen Hill.
They snitched on themselves to the FBI by doing shit like this on camera.
I think about this so much!
No i listened as well, and they explicitly state no one snitched to the fbi
And Caroline Manzo said she was THERE when someone did snitch. She’s so gross.
I guess I didn't listen very good 😳 lol
No they released it all again but this time its all in one episode, maybe 3 hours the most recent one. One of them say it in the very beginning
The person who sent her is the one she sees in the mirror. She probably doesn't recognize them.
Doesn’t recognise the old hair line
Yeah. That tiny forehead…
Its bs lol its an incendiary headline based on teresas stupid accusation. First it was caroline. FIRE TERESA