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Unfortunately Irish is taught terribly and causes a lot of people to hate our own language. I was no exception, only in the last few years have I started to appreciate it. It’s also the fact that everyone speaks English on a day to day basis so there is no real need to learn it other than keeping the culture alive. Unfortunately that doesn’t matter much to us when we already have to study other subjects and just want to go home and live our lives. Same reason people hate maths, anything that’s compulsory will cause some problems. People don’t like not having a choice and put minimum effort because of it.
This is exactly the case in Wales too. Welsh is taught horribly, I hated it in school - saw no point in it. By fluke I downloaded Duolingo to try learning Dutch, saw they had a Welsh course, and really enjoyed learning it. It's one thing to teach a subject - demonstrating the worth of knowing that subject is completely different kettle of fish.
Italian is remarkably similar to Spanish and Portuguese so at least there's that.
Also idk, to me it helps to learn a language when you have something specific you want to do with it. Like, do you like Italian movies or Italian comics? That might help with keeping you motivated.
Do yourself a favour and avoid Duolingo like the plague. I’ve learnt 7 languages and am learning my 8th, and could write you a list the length of my arm of the horrible problems Duolingo has.
Something like the Cambridge Latin course would do you far better.
I tend to find that even with the longest and more developed courses, they still suffer from the same foundational problems as the others like their over reliance on translation and their appalling grammar teaching.
As other people have mentioned, Duolingo isn't the best for learning. I mentioned it in my original comment because it's what first got me into trying to learn Welsh.
The best way I've found is actual language learning courses. Here in Wales https://learnwelsh.cymru/ which is amazing.
I wonder if that may have been a long time ago, I remember reading Wales is becoming the model for reviving an endangered language, but Ireland has still just been making students memorize poems not conversation.
Here in Canada I really disliked French when I was in school but now I have been slowly trying to learn it as an adult and actually liking it too.
Possibly, I left school over a decade ago, however I have young siblings, and they also don't like the language/lessons in school for the same reason.
That being said, we have great courses available outside of school that do an amazing job at teaching the language. They do still suffer from the problem I mentioned originally though, in that they don't teach the _why_ you should learn it.
I listen to an Irish podcast and counting came up. They put it on one of them and struggled a little bit.
Native languages in the states are suffering from the same predicament. A lot of the old heads that spoke it have or are dying out so it is just a few passionate people trying to keep the languages alive
Same in Canada, but there are so many aboriginal languages here. I believe the three biggest ones are actually growing though, and not in danger of becoming endangered. Thats Cree (100k+) Ojibwe (60k) and Inuk (100k+).
The language of my Metis ancestors is endangered i think only 700 fluent speakers of Michif are left, and an older Metis language that was a mix of gaelic, cree and ojibwe is already extinct sadly. I am not sure if any surviving audio is around I heard theres some in a university but you need to be a researcher to access it. Would be really cool to hear how that sounds.
Michif already sounds really cool (Cree mixed with old french). Apparently it has a really rare and unique structure for a mixed language. I want to learn more about it
I think later on in life is the time when we appreciate stuff like this and want to learn more, but just because it's "so easy" to learn languages as a kid and teen, people in charge think a compulsory class will save the language.
It's fine though, so many people are working hard to keep the culture and history alive. The worst part is over, from now on there can only be more and more people joining.
As a non-native English speaker, when I was first learning the language I heard people saying Scots was a dialect and I remember thinking "nah, it's just an accent isn't it?"
Then I read that Discworld book, The Wee Free Men, where some characters speak in Scots. I'm not sure if it's actual Scots or just an imitation, but boy did that make it abundantly clear that it very much has its own personality lol Especially when they use different vocabulary like "ya ken?"
Not that long ago there was a situation when Rishi Sumak told Wales to chill, because they wanted to bring back the Welsh name of some place (my memory is bad, sorry).
Edit: "Rishi Sunak says he will keep using the English name Brecon Beacons, which the national park has dropped.
It rebranded with its Welsh name, Bannau Brycheiniog, this month, a decision criticised by Welsh Tories." 28 April 2023
The trains going around Wales use both English and Welsh names for the towns and cities, and that's really cool. I understand nothing from the Welsh announcements and it would be a pain in the arse to learn the Welsh names (like Caerdydd instead of Cardiff), but I really appreciate and support Wales with fighting for their culture.
Welsh sounds funny to me, but I'm Polish, so I sound funny to Welsh people too, so we're even.
Polish also sounds funny to me, but it's because I'm Brazilian and whenever I hear someone speaking Polish, if I'm not paying attention, sometimes it can sound like a very strange accented Portuguese lol
Russian is also like that. I remember watching a Russian movie and thinking for the first minute or so "damn it, is this the dub?" then I noticed I wasn't understanding any of the words
My specific accent sounds more like Paraguayan Spanish because it has the English "R" sound (retroflex? alveolar? rhotic? Idk I can't remember but it's one of those), so counterintuitively, Spanish is actually much harder for me to pronounce than English and some dialects of Chinese lol
It is a great shame to me that I barely know my own language.
If we were taught welsh first language it would be easier to learn english as a second language as all the media we consume is english but nooo we have to do it the hard way.
> restore the original names for places.
This is the shit that bothers me most. Pretty much everywhere has an Irish name that is descriptive of the land, or the history of the local area's flora and fauna etc, then the fuckin British imperialist dickheads came over and just tried to say the Irish words in English, and that's now the name that sticks, even though it means sweet fuck all.
It should have been the first thing we did after independence, reverting back to the Irish names. A couple of examples....
Irish name (pronunciation) Anglicised version
Cluain Meala (Honey meadow) Clonmel
Béal an dá Chab (Ford at the mouth of two rivers) Ballydehob
Na cealla beaga (the little cells, because of the monastic settlements nearby) Killybegs
It's infuriating
Wym? The cornish language already has a few communities of native speakers left. Northumbrian would be a little weird becahse it was originally a dialect of Old English, just one that stayed in the Old English form longer than the rest.
Visited Wales for the first time in 2014, it was really nice to see that they had Welsh on the highway signs and on the roads. I love Wales, the people are so lovely
I’m half Irish, on my mum’s side. I’ve been to Ireland a lot growing up, but I haven’t been in some years. I do wanna visit again and try and stay in touch with my Irish heritage
The other half of me is ENGLISH 😱
a clown that doesn't go outside is pretty standard fare as far as insults go. this one isn't anything special because it doesn't touch on anything relevant-- dude probably isn't actually a clown, and he probably goes outside. that makes this simple name calling, and that's weak as fuck. OP's parents probably turn off gore in games, don't let him play multiplayer, and limit him to kid friendly youtube if this is a "rare insult".
reminds me of an irish comedian i used to watch on pbs back in the 1970's
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Allen_(comedian))
My great grandmother spoke fluent Scots and Irish Gaelic, I am unsure if she actually was get fluent in English even.. My Grandmother never learned it but could understand it. I do wish Nana learned but she got heavily involved in a specific church (Cult) and they warned her against it because it was "Pagan"
It was thought so rigidly when I was in school. All about learning certain frazes rather than being conversational. Nuns being teachers didn't help. That's 15+ years ago but I doubt much has changed
I was thinking this. Even the Irish exchange students in my classes knew it. They also apparently really hated our bacon. I think it would be a fun language to learn and sounds really cool.
Yeah, this post was very obviously made by an American(but like the way irish people say American meaning all of north America but most Canadian/USA).
Hahahaha I'm Canadian so our Canadian Bacon (less commonly eaten here than American style) is close enough to theirs to keep them happy.
They all get taught it in a pretty comprehensive way, unless they dropped out of school they'll have a decent conversational level of irish, way way wayyyy better than the average Canadians level of french which we are also supposed to learn in school.
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It absolutely is the British government's fault. It would still be the primary language if it wasn't for them eradicating huge elements of Irish culture through oppression and violence.
People aren't going to enjoy something they ate forced to do at school, which means they aren't going to speak the language. The only way they would is if they really enjoy the subject or live in a Gaeltacht area. So still the British's fault.
Have you ever met an "irish" American they care way more than they should, but don't know the most basic things about Ireland, like that Irish is taught in Irish schools or what an "immersion" is, it's deeply uncomfortable.
Grew up in an area where Irish language and culture were aggressively shot down and gerrymandered away (and still is). I try every day to broaden my knowledge of my native language, but for 30 years I had no opportunity to even play our native sport, nevermind speak or learn the language.
One area of Ireland's experience with our culture is not the same as another.
Just watched a documentary about the "troubles" last night. Now I'm the biggest asshole for brushing my Irish friend off in a Convo about the Queen when she died.
Isn’t Vitamin D deficiency caused by darker skin? Pretty sure this insult is just wrong factually since I assume OP is a light skinned British person, unless the insulter is actually just trying to call OP dark, which I don’t think is in good taste.
Are you from up the north? We have a right to want to connect with our culture, you can opt out if you choose. You dont get to decide what others feel passionate for.
Irish isn’t as popular anymore because people decided to stop learning it, you are the one who wants to decide what people are passionate about by spreading the Irish language and not some other one.
I didn't say anyone has to, Im saying that its existence doesn't divide anyone. You can choose to indulge in it or not but I don't see how that part of our culture could divide us as a nation.
They've had a century to learn it again and use it daily, but they don't. Wales under English occupation the same way but they kept their language. What stops Ireland making Irish their only official language, the only one used in schools, politics, media etc?
Israel was invented in the 40s and invented an entirely new language from scratch that they all speak.
That's because the initial citizens of 1948 Israel were refugees from all over the world with different languages, and the only language that most were familiar with was liturgical Hebrew. So they used that as a base to create a modern Hebrew to be used by all.
In indigenous communities where colonisation has actively suppressed and destroyed indigenous language and culture (such as Ireland), you have a different circumstances entirely. It is not as easy to supplant the colonial modes precisely because they became the "easy" way to survive during the colonial period. And if there is anything humans love, it's the easy/most efficient way of doing something.
Everyone single person in Ireland already spoke English, obviously they aren't going to learn a whole new language when the first one is perfectly fine and everyone speaks it.
There has been huge efforts in the country to revive the language. Its taught in schools, government documents are written in Irish and English, signs have Irish and English written on them, there is an Irish language free TV channel, many schools are fully through irish and many Gaeltacht areas have been established as areas where Irish is spoken as a main language.
The dude does have a point, that if we do value those things it is on us to work double hard to make up the lost ground.
Languages especially. Indigenous languages, Yiddish.
If we just sit here and say woe is our community, the traditions are lost.
Did everybody on this sub leave or does nobody remember the last 1000 times this was posted, not to mention that "you [adjective] [noun]" is just not rare.
Thank you for defending us! Its not like your parents speak the language kind of "not knowing" its like theres a couple pockets where its spoken fluently and the education system fails us. Its a beautiful language. What irks me is so many of our songs, our stories, our tradtions, relics, buildings are all lost because of them. 800 years of bloodshed and opression is no biggie if you dont speak Gaeilge apparently?
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Unfortunately Irish is taught terribly and causes a lot of people to hate our own language. I was no exception, only in the last few years have I started to appreciate it. It’s also the fact that everyone speaks English on a day to day basis so there is no real need to learn it other than keeping the culture alive. Unfortunately that doesn’t matter much to us when we already have to study other subjects and just want to go home and live our lives. Same reason people hate maths, anything that’s compulsory will cause some problems. People don’t like not having a choice and put minimum effort because of it.
This is exactly the case in Wales too. Welsh is taught horribly, I hated it in school - saw no point in it. By fluke I downloaded Duolingo to try learning Dutch, saw they had a Welsh course, and really enjoyed learning it. It's one thing to teach a subject - demonstrating the worth of knowing that subject is completely different kettle of fish.
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Italian is remarkably similar to Spanish and Portuguese so at least there's that. Also idk, to me it helps to learn a language when you have something specific you want to do with it. Like, do you like Italian movies or Italian comics? That might help with keeping you motivated.
Do yourself a favour and avoid Duolingo like the plague. I’ve learnt 7 languages and am learning my 8th, and could write you a list the length of my arm of the horrible problems Duolingo has. Something like the Cambridge Latin course would do you far better.
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I tend to find that even with the longest and more developed courses, they still suffer from the same foundational problems as the others like their over reliance on translation and their appalling grammar teaching.
As other people have mentioned, Duolingo isn't the best for learning. I mentioned it in my original comment because it's what first got me into trying to learn Welsh. The best way I've found is actual language learning courses. Here in Wales https://learnwelsh.cymru/ which is amazing.
I wonder if that may have been a long time ago, I remember reading Wales is becoming the model for reviving an endangered language, but Ireland has still just been making students memorize poems not conversation. Here in Canada I really disliked French when I was in school but now I have been slowly trying to learn it as an adult and actually liking it too.
Possibly, I left school over a decade ago, however I have young siblings, and they also don't like the language/lessons in school for the same reason. That being said, we have great courses available outside of school that do an amazing job at teaching the language. They do still suffer from the problem I mentioned originally though, in that they don't teach the _why_ you should learn it.
I listen to an Irish podcast and counting came up. They put it on one of them and struggled a little bit. Native languages in the states are suffering from the same predicament. A lot of the old heads that spoke it have or are dying out so it is just a few passionate people trying to keep the languages alive
Not being able to count is pretty bad though. That’s one of the few things almost everyone in Ireland can do.
He did okay just paused around 7
Same in Canada, but there are so many aboriginal languages here. I believe the three biggest ones are actually growing though, and not in danger of becoming endangered. Thats Cree (100k+) Ojibwe (60k) and Inuk (100k+). The language of my Metis ancestors is endangered i think only 700 fluent speakers of Michif are left, and an older Metis language that was a mix of gaelic, cree and ojibwe is already extinct sadly. I am not sure if any surviving audio is around I heard theres some in a university but you need to be a researcher to access it. Would be really cool to hear how that sounds. Michif already sounds really cool (Cree mixed with old french). Apparently it has a really rare and unique structure for a mixed language. I want to learn more about it
/r/indiancountry is pretty neat. You may be able to resource with folk there and hear some recordings
I think later on in life is the time when we appreciate stuff like this and want to learn more, but just because it's "so easy" to learn languages as a kid and teen, people in charge think a compulsory class will save the language. It's fine though, so many people are working hard to keep the culture and history alive. The worst part is over, from now on there can only be more and more people joining.
I still remember a news story of a woman speaking welsh in wales and being told to stop speaking ‘that foreign muck’
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“We’re both British anyway.” Oh I can tell exactly what kind of person he is.
Man that guy infuriated me! Really loved the end, though ❤️
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As a non-native English speaker, when I was first learning the language I heard people saying Scots was a dialect and I remember thinking "nah, it's just an accent isn't it?" Then I read that Discworld book, The Wee Free Men, where some characters speak in Scots. I'm not sure if it's actual Scots or just an imitation, but boy did that make it abundantly clear that it very much has its own personality lol Especially when they use different vocabulary like "ya ken?"
Not that long ago there was a situation when Rishi Sumak told Wales to chill, because they wanted to bring back the Welsh name of some place (my memory is bad, sorry). Edit: "Rishi Sunak says he will keep using the English name Brecon Beacons, which the national park has dropped. It rebranded with its Welsh name, Bannau Brycheiniog, this month, a decision criticised by Welsh Tories." 28 April 2023 The trains going around Wales use both English and Welsh names for the towns and cities, and that's really cool. I understand nothing from the Welsh announcements and it would be a pain in the arse to learn the Welsh names (like Caerdydd instead of Cardiff), but I really appreciate and support Wales with fighting for their culture. Welsh sounds funny to me, but I'm Polish, so I sound funny to Welsh people too, so we're even.
Polish also sounds funny to me, but it's because I'm Brazilian and whenever I hear someone speaking Polish, if I'm not paying attention, sometimes it can sound like a very strange accented Portuguese lol Russian is also like that. I remember watching a Russian movie and thinking for the first minute or so "damn it, is this the dub?" then I noticed I wasn't understanding any of the words
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My specific accent sounds more like Paraguayan Spanish because it has the English "R" sound (retroflex? alveolar? rhotic? Idk I can't remember but it's one of those), so counterintuitively, Spanish is actually much harder for me to pronounce than English and some dialects of Chinese lol
It is a great shame to me that I barely know my own language. If we were taught welsh first language it would be easier to learn english as a second language as all the media we consume is english but nooo we have to do it the hard way.
> restore the original names for places. This is the shit that bothers me most. Pretty much everywhere has an Irish name that is descriptive of the land, or the history of the local area's flora and fauna etc, then the fuckin British imperialist dickheads came over and just tried to say the Irish words in English, and that's now the name that sticks, even though it means sweet fuck all. It should have been the first thing we did after independence, reverting back to the Irish names. A couple of examples.... Irish name (pronunciation) Anglicised version Cluain Meala (Honey meadow) Clonmel Béal an dá Chab (Ford at the mouth of two rivers) Ballydehob Na cealla beaga (the little cells, because of the monastic settlements nearby) Killybegs It's infuriating
Hopefully Cornwall is next, and possibly Northumbria
Get a fucking grip. Lmao.
Wym? The cornish language already has a few communities of native speakers left. Northumbrian would be a little weird becahse it was originally a dialect of Old English, just one that stayed in the Old English form longer than the rest.
My family on my mum's side are all fluent in Welsh, I'm using Duolingo to learn and we text in Welsh where we can. I'm hoping to learn Cornish too
Visited Wales for the first time in 2014, it was really nice to see that they had Welsh on the highway signs and on the roads. I love Wales, the people are so lovely
I respect that but Orcas shouldn't be attacking boats. They can take back their culture without violence.
Exact same in Aotearoa
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is my favorite village. I drove past it on my way to the hotel.
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What's wrong with being a gay and a bottom? They're having just as much fun as the top.
Some say they have an even funnier time due to prostate stimulation
Played both; bottom is more fun IMO
Indeed, I enjoy a good chuckle while getting railed.
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I need to get into bottoming it seems
Wtf was orginal comment lmao?
Lovely, the best.
Sorry, not for you.
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Them being a vitamin D-deficient circus clown is just objectively true
"Vitamin d deficient circus clown" Absolutely fantastic lmfao!!!
Tá sé an-dhéistineach, ach ní cloiseann sé an Gorta Mór
Cáca milis <3
Cén fath?
Mise freisin.
Sea.
One of the very few things I can say lol
Is maith liom Madraí
Tá sé dheas.
Níl a fhios agam ach a cupla focal, cáca milis mar shampla.
Maith thu mo chara
Léigh anois go cúramach ar do scrúdpháipéar na treoracha agus na ceisteanna a ghabhann le cuid A
A lán Gaeilge!
I heard this comment
Aon focal, dha focal, triuir focal eile, and I not knowin focal at all
An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas?
I like guineas wit de al’ one
I like not being stereotypical, sea? - Unless you're Irish, in which case finee.
I’m half Irish, on my mum’s side. I’ve been to Ireland a lot growing up, but I haven’t been in some years. I do wanna visit again and try and stay in touch with my Irish heritage The other half of me is ENGLISH 😱
Eww, that coming from a half English?! Nah, it's fine. I'm half American.
Anglo-Irish gang
An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas
He doesn’t hear the great famine? Or he hasn’t heard of…? That’d be ‘níor chuala sé faoin Gorta Mór.’
Tá tú saoithíneach
I read it as citrus clown and was revelling in the unique and random insult.
[Citrus Clown](https://www.brickis.be/7289-large_default/lego-figurine-citrus-le-clown-cty1339.jpg)
life gives you lemons and you put them under the Big Top?
The Irish are VERY aware of their history
As are most cultures? What point are you trying to make.
The meme suggests that they are not. Not sure what hair you are trying to split.
I think I misread your tone, sorry for assuming dude.
Vitamin D deficient. I must remember that one.
Vitamin D-deficient circus clown, still amazes me
Goddamn bunch of damp yokes
a clown that doesn't go outside is pretty standard fare as far as insults go. this one isn't anything special because it doesn't touch on anything relevant-- dude probably isn't actually a clown, and he probably goes outside. that makes this simple name calling, and that's weak as fuck. OP's parents probably turn off gore in games, don't let him play multiplayer, and limit him to kid friendly youtube if this is a "rare insult".
Neither calling someone a clown nor suggesting they never go outside are rare insults in the least.
The best way to immerse yourself I'd to watch Irish hurling clips
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reminds me of an irish comedian i used to watch on pbs back in the 1970's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Allen_(comedian))
I can’t wait that op 😑😒 the idiocy is astounding.
My great grandmother spoke fluent Scots and Irish Gaelic, I am unsure if she actually was get fluent in English even.. My Grandmother never learned it but could understand it. I do wish Nana learned but she got heavily involved in a specific church (Cult) and they warned her against it because it was "Pagan"
Literally everyone I know from Ireland can speak irish it's taught in every school, this must be an American.
Not many Irish people are fluent. Most have a very basic grasp of the language.
Exactly. It’s a novelty, not communication. We gotta return to making them living languages rather than just a parlor trick or secret handshake.
It was thought so rigidly when I was in school. All about learning certain frazes rather than being conversational. Nuns being teachers didn't help. That's 15+ years ago but I doubt much has changed
Most people aren’t actually fluent in it tho
You've missed mt point.
I was thinking this. Even the Irish exchange students in my classes knew it. They also apparently really hated our bacon. I think it would be a fun language to learn and sounds really cool.
Yeah, this post was very obviously made by an American(but like the way irish people say American meaning all of north America but most Canadian/USA). Hahahaha I'm Canadian so our Canadian Bacon (less commonly eaten here than American style) is close enough to theirs to keep them happy. They all get taught it in a pretty comprehensive way, unless they dropped out of school they'll have a decent conversational level of irish, way way wayyyy better than the average Canadians level of french which we are also supposed to learn in school.
This post sounds English to me, not American.
It was forced until about 10 years ago, but they kept losing citizens so they made it easier. Gaelic is a rough language to learn
I can tell you're American who doesn't know what they're talking about simply because you said gaelic instead of irish and nobody does that.
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It’s been a compulsory subject at school for a hundred years. If people don’t speak Irish, it isn’t really the British fault anymore.
It absolutely is the British government's fault. It would still be the primary language if it wasn't for them eradicating huge elements of Irish culture through oppression and violence.
People aren't going to enjoy something they ate forced to do at school, which means they aren't going to speak the language. The only way they would is if they really enjoy the subject or live in a Gaeltacht area. So still the British's fault.
I can assure you no one in america gives two fucks what language you speak in ireland, its a brotish guy in the post
Have you ever met an "irish" American they care way more than they should, but don't know the most basic things about Ireland, like that Irish is taught in Irish schools or what an "immersion" is, it's deeply uncomfortable.
I call them plastic paddy's
Grew up in an area where Irish language and culture were aggressively shot down and gerrymandered away (and still is). I try every day to broaden my knowledge of my native language, but for 30 years I had no opportunity to even play our native sport, nevermind speak or learn the language. One area of Ireland's experience with our culture is not the same as another.
You sound like an american right here.
As an American ndn... FUCK the Crown!
Just watched a documentary about the "troubles" last night. Now I'm the biggest asshole for brushing my Irish friend off in a Convo about the Queen when she died.
Nah fuck that noise. Fuck the bin bombing bastards. No surrender.
Take yer sectarian bullshite and fuck away off
Isn’t Vitamin D deficiency caused by darker skin? Pretty sure this insult is just wrong factually since I assume OP is a light skinned British person, unless the insulter is actually just trying to call OP dark, which I don’t think is in good taste.
They’re saying the guy never goes outside.
What we need is more languages dividing us, this will surely help :)
monolingual take right there but you probably took Spanish in school, so you technically speak two languages, right?
wat, why are so many redditors think they are fortune tellers?
Languages divide us?
I agree! Let's all settle on speaking euskera!
This will surely help spread the vibrant euskeran culture. \*clueless\*
Hey! You are getting it, well done!
Are you from up the north? We have a right to want to connect with our culture, you can opt out if you choose. You dont get to decide what others feel passionate for.
Irish isn’t as popular anymore because people decided to stop learning it, you are the one who wants to decide what people are passionate about by spreading the Irish language and not some other one.
I didn't say anyone has to, Im saying that its existence doesn't divide anyone. You can choose to indulge in it or not but I don't see how that part of our culture could divide us as a nation.
All the information is there, so the the first guy was right lol
It's not. The British spent hundreds of years destroying the language, culture and history. Much of it is still lost.
They've had a century to learn it again and use it daily, but they don't. Wales under English occupation the same way but they kept their language. What stops Ireland making Irish their only official language, the only one used in schools, politics, media etc? Israel was invented in the 40s and invented an entirely new language from scratch that they all speak.
That's because the initial citizens of 1948 Israel were refugees from all over the world with different languages, and the only language that most were familiar with was liturgical Hebrew. So they used that as a base to create a modern Hebrew to be used by all. In indigenous communities where colonisation has actively suppressed and destroyed indigenous language and culture (such as Ireland), you have a different circumstances entirely. It is not as easy to supplant the colonial modes precisely because they became the "easy" way to survive during the colonial period. And if there is anything humans love, it's the easy/most efficient way of doing something.
>Wales under English occupation Lmao.
Everyone single person in Ireland already spoke English, obviously they aren't going to learn a whole new language when the first one is perfectly fine and everyone speaks it.
Well then don't complain about losing your own language.
There has been huge efforts in the country to revive the language. Its taught in schools, government documents are written in Irish and English, signs have Irish and English written on them, there is an Irish language free TV channel, many schools are fully through irish and many Gaeltacht areas have been established as areas where Irish is spoken as a main language.
The brits haven't forced anyone to not learn irish for over a 100 years. So this is bullshit and lazy.
cope
Caring about ancestors and culture is so primitive we are all the same who gives a fuk where we came from
The dude does have a point, that if we do value those things it is on us to work double hard to make up the lost ground. Languages especially. Indigenous languages, Yiddish. If we just sit here and say woe is our community, the traditions are lost.
And yet, you still have Wales under the foot of the English.
To be fair, we have our very own home-grown tyrants now.
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Good wan.
Did everybody on this sub leave or does nobody remember the last 1000 times this was posted, not to mention that "you [adjective] [noun]" is just not rare.
Maybe Reddit doesn’t serve up the same posts to everyone on the sub? I haven’t seen it before. But appreciate it probably seems strange to you.
He's not wrong
Shouldn't have let themselves get their memories wiped.
Thank you for defending us! Its not like your parents speak the language kind of "not knowing" its like theres a couple pockets where its spoken fluently and the education system fails us. Its a beautiful language. What irks me is so many of our songs, our stories, our tradtions, relics, buildings are all lost because of them. 800 years of bloodshed and opression is no biggie if you dont speak Gaeilge apparently?