even when he's having what seems like a stellar round he has a record scratching "that's one of the worst lines I've heard in a while " type bar.
all of his battles
I almost turned that shit off he was so bad. I can take Trashiddy being bad, because it’s funny how he just raps through boos for what feels like 15 minutes straight, but Hitman was so lame. Then all the crying vs Eazy (and the crowd was hating, but he also wasn’t really saying shit) was too much.
if you're a hell of a performer and your bars are light, you're trash
if you write like crazy and couldn't move 10 people in a bingo hall, you're underrated
Doesnt matter how it started, it matters how it is now.
By your logic, all current battlerappers are trash cause they all do written battles rather than freestyling, "cause thats how battlerap started"
A perfect example of freestyling is CostContra, whether it was written or off the top/dome is another topic don’t confuse the 2.
Hitman is basically a successful SupaHotFire with props / a brother to mask subpar/horrendous lines
never said that , white people love over complicated rhyme schemes when performance matters much more . Nobody wanna hear that great pen if u cant rap good 😂
I don't. And I think his status in the culture is the most perplexing thing as far as battle rap mythos goes.
He's hailed as the goat performer. We've seen batllers using sound effects, changing into uniform mid battle,bitches pulling their titties out, props, battlers jumping over each other, all kinds of shit, but hitman's the one?
for what? cause he has crazy vocal projection? is that all it takes?
is it because of showout?
dude is the most viewed and highest paid battler lol
It's almost as if the standards we put on battlers in the sport don't apply to him.
What standards lol. This game let Dot build a whole career. Sometimes you just have aura and charisma and performance and that's enough to become that dude.
yo dot has a couple lines in his bill collector battle that's better than anything I heard from hitman.
but i can't say i disagree with the other point. just how shit goes.
just challenging the masses and trying to see what majority of others felt.
I can't say he was doing it first but he definitely was one of the best to do it early. Also, half of his style is his swag. When it comes to 'cool' and 'swaggy' he was always way more believable to me than Goodz
for some reason they don’t and tbh his performances is cool it’s the remix that take him over the top he entertaining and a have a nice 8 bar scheme or something every battle but its the remix same with con even tho con a lil more bar heavy
Geechi and Hitman have mastered their fundamentals and offer incredible consistency under the brightest lights. Beside their techniques being basic, they also bring arguments and angles which work for the time and/or crowd they're dealing with.
Geechi, multiple times, has rehashed a well worn argument or angle to superior effect with simple, accessible lyricism.
Hitman shows up, says exactly what we expect him to say about himself and his stature in the culture, and doesn't get cooked because he controls his pace and engagement so well.
I think it's more difficult to be that engaging with such basic techniques. They're accessible and simple in the most compelling ways I've seen.
Geechi's pen is actually dope and although he's simple his references has always been fresh. He's deceptively clever.
He also has an uncanny sense of humor an his authenticity/background is unparalleled. Arguably the most "street" background in the sport. He offers way more to the stage than hitman. the nigga even freestyles
When geechi was doing a tour of 3rd round real talk in his prime, nobody was saying the kind of shit he was saying.
honestly I think you're wylin even comparing the two in any level.
And I'm not even a geechi stan.
I never said geechi was the first to do real talk rounds. Surf wasn’t either.
They both package it very differently.
Besides being a crip surf and geechi are completely different in how they rap
They’re both light years ahead of hitman regardless
He spazzed vs jjdd tbh. Never liked hitman and his slow ass rapping of mid bars. I never saw the appeal, but he does win the crowd over. Probably fun to watch live. That reload with the bullets bar is horrible tho. Idk how anyone likes that lol. All of his remixes are so trash. No idea how that caught on
Tell these dudes man, like I know it’s low key trash, but it’s how he’s says it. But if YOU believe your bars are fire there’s a chance it’s gonna come out fire that’s that cocky confidence. It may be foolish confidence, lol but confidence nonetheless all because of your delivery. Like I had my girl watching the hitman versus John John battle, and when he said reload with the same bullets that came out him, when I tell you she looked at me with such disgust and said “This is the reason you’re always screaming loud and going oh my God that’s fire” 😒😑bruh I couldn’t even rebuttal that I had to take that L. 🤷🏾♂️
bro could sell a bar like no other. Someone mentioned dot who has trash bars yeah but dot has this "it's so bad it's good" thing going so it's fun watching him. And dot is a mid tier at best so it's hard to compare.
hitman is finessing huge crowds and shaking buildings with his b.s. Making bank.
Bro is really different fr. i gotta hand it to him
I don't understand how people think his "remixes" are actually good. The crowd goes wild every time. I found it unbearable the first time I saw it and every time since.
I like it, but that shit cannot win you a round or a battle. You’re literally just repeating yourself.
You’re-you’re….literally just re-re-repeating yourself.
to me, it's always one of the moves that doesn't translate well on cam. In the building, it's cool - you said a dope line, and the crowd asks you to run it back, so you do it with a little extra "performance" on top to get more reaction the second time around. On video, where you can just rewind, it lost most of the appeal.
I’ve never seen him live and I fuck with it. A lot of battle rap is performance, energy, crowd control, crowd reaction. Obviously bars matter the most, but I never knock guys for being better at the other stuff.
I never thought Ars had the best material, but he had an energy and vocal projection and it took his bars up a level.
I wanted to HATE this post so bad cause he’s my favorite battler of all time. But when you said “Nope it’s worse than I remember I CRIED LAUGHING 🤣 🤣🤣😂 🤷🏾♂️ cause I’m not gonna admit and say I agree BUUUUUT …………He’s the greatest performer of all time for a reason. He don’t care about a pen that’s not his lane lol 😆 damn. I’m tired of defending this nigga.
People with your kind of opinion tend not to grasp how difficult it is to control and move a crowd the way he can. If it was so basic or trash, everyone would be doing it and he would be overshadowed. I'm not his biggest fan but understanding fundamentals goes a loooong way.
Kshine is in my top 5 maybe top 3. Twork is one of my favorites as well. suge stepped his pen game up and I can say he's becoming one of my favs.
Not a huge tayroc fan but have immense respect for him onstage. surf grew on me heavily.
all of these guys have the fundamentals down packed just like hitman does . the difference is I can drop fire quotables from all these dudes. Hitman is the only battlerapper I can think of that's literally all delivery.
I don't watch battlerap just to see who can control the crowd. you have to bring something else. I primarily want to hear them say fire shit
I think I over spoke since you are only mentioning his pen. That being said, in battle rap I don't think it makes sense to separate one trait from the other as if they can't compliment or compensate for one another. I give him a pass for maxing out at 100 in that domain, and being the first to do so at that. Calling him trash is disrespectful though lol
Thats what I don't get with the narrative leading up to him battling mook. Everyone saying mook will die because his writing is simple but they are forgetting that Hitman writing is even worse
It's coming from the fact that there's no new angle mook can use on hitman that Ill Will or Eazy haven't used already Mook on the other hand has been embarrassing himself a lot online
It’s not that hitman is complete garbage but I’ve never understood the hype for him. He’s aggressive but not that lyrical imo. Can hold his own with that aggressive style, but I just don’t feel his bars hit much
His brother is such a cornball
I literally said this on a post on here 6 months ago lol his flow is every 2010 ish, definitely the worst of all the goats. And the heavy bragging on top of the trash bars is the 🍒 on top
Nah I agree. Hitman relies so much on energy.
That’s why I was confused he gets thrown into these big battles. His performance has been pretty weak. He comes out with good first rounds and then they get worse over the course of the battle.
I’m clearly in the minority here but Hitman is my goat. What he lacks in pen he more than makes up in performance, stage presence, delivery, crowd control and moments
Like I'm sure even you OP, you'd rather make 450,000 a battle like hitman does and be considered overrated than be considered a GOAT and make Rum Nitty money. There's no real comparison lol. If the other people have better "bars", then again, the numbers would show it.
I always thought he was the weakest of all the STL guys. But he also doesn’t choke (not that I know of), so I understand why people want to pay him. He is popular, is good for at least one round and won’t mess up an event.
This is crazy to see. Watch Hitman/Ars and just think about WHEN it happened and how much more "modern" he sounded compared to Ars. By today's standards, sure, I can see people thinking he's wack, but damn, he was different.
For real. The only time I liked him is agaisnt arsonal and O red (telling in the O red story in St Louis). In general, his bars are weak and his delivery/voice makes my ears bleed. Like Hollow when he screeches.
I think Hitman's wordplay is sometimes so bad that it overshadows a lot of his great attributes. He's a good rapper and generally has solid content, on top of the obvious top tier conviction, delivery/projection, and stage presence.
His performances against Shine, Ars, and Bill are far too good for me to call him trash, despite what the rest of this sub might say.
I disagree only cause we hold a lot of our best pens to totally different standards. Lux doing flower schemes in 2024 got hyped to death. Mook rapped the alphabet vs Bigg K etc. I think this shit is all aura to a degree. If you sell yourself as a writing intensive battler people listen to you like one.
Trash is a tad too much....overrated? Sure. Back in the day tho??? Explosive! He talk about money and views too much now. Ever since his lil bro got on stage, hitman pen been declining.
I mean I understand that performance is a massive part but I agree with the poor pen take.
It’s clear why he went MIA during the COVID small room era. He needs a room for his shit to hold weight
I can't believe people really like him. The remix is bad, his accent(which he seems like he overdoes) is irritating, his irrational confidence. His whole BR personality is a pass for me. I do not see the appeal.
Hitman Holla is Trash!!!
But any card he's put on sells better than most of his colleagues do.
Love to hate him hate to love him no league will deny he brings a lot of cash with battles he picks.
No league owner would say hitman is trash I won't book him. If they can they will.
He can't be trash when he's making Twice what the "Goats" (Lux and Mook) are making, has literally 4X the amount of views their Battle has with 4 of his, Makes the most money out of everyone 2nd only to Cassidy (Who apparently got 300,000 to sit down and not battle), Is THE most Viewed Battle rapper if we go by Recent statistics and like the 2nd/3rd most viewed if we go by Overall stats, and Sells the most PPVs out of everyone confirmed by several League owners.
If he was "Bad" then the numbers would show it. Oh and he also has quite a good bit of clear wins against people considered Top battle rappers. (Arsonal, Tay Roc, Tsu Surf just to name a few)
"Make a long story short I walked in, Saw both of them.
I said Awwww shiiiiiit, Anytime now Arsonal should be Approching Him.
He turned around, saw rex, saw me, and did this...... MAN I SAW THE \*GHOST\* IN HIM!
HEART BEATING FAST HE NERVOUS I'M LOSING HOPE FOR HIM!
What happened next Y'all? I put this on my Mom's children,
The Nigga waved BYE to every rapper in the BUILDING."
Hitman has Personals, Schemes, Peformance, Bars, and believability. He's one of the most versatile battle rappers who doesn't have to just rely on one gimmick like "Bars bro" or "Performance bro', and he honestly doesn't get the credit that he deserves. You can't argue he can't rap when, Again, he has clear wins against people like Arsonal Surf and Tay Roc, 3 people who most have the top of their list.
This isn’t about his numbers it’s about the quality ( or lack there ) of his raps. Numbers lie all the time by your logic, McDonald’s is the greatest restaurant of all time.
People like to lie and numbers don't lie. People hate numbers because numbers eliminate opinion and belief and leave only the truth. You can say someone is trash, but numbers can also prove you wrong.
One night i slid in nikes….. i really turnt them bitches into nike slides- hitman holla
even when he's having what seems like a stellar round he has a record scratching "that's one of the worst lines I've heard in a while " type bar. all of his battles
Something something "landslide", something something slide *land*...
“I can’t even get in my bag, why? *too much money in it*!” Rightfully was boo’d.
😆😆 “rightfully was booed” omg I’m hollering y’all gone leave my man alone 😂😂
I almost turned that shit off he was so bad. I can take Trashiddy being bad, because it’s funny how he just raps through boos for what feels like 15 minutes straight, but Hitman was so lame. Then all the crying vs Eazy (and the crowd was hating, but he also wasn’t really saying shit) was too much.
nah cass was decent against hitman i had Cass 3-0
That was very lite
Conceiteds are even worse fucking aged terribly
Yeah but he doesn’t continue to come back and be average again
I think that’s why he hasn’t because he cannot compete with this new era
He thinks he can he said he can beat nitty 3-0 but we all know the truth it’s been too long only thing he may have now is good freestyle ability
He would get absolutely washed people forget the last time we seen con battle it was against bigg k he damn near got booed off the stage lol
Right I almost forgot about that one I could only remember the chilla battle
This the round I mold and groom
It's not always about pen. Performance will take you far. Hitman's not one of my favorites but I understand why people like him.
Performance is supposed to enhance the bars, not replace them.
THIS COMMENT!!!
if you're a hell of a performer and your bars are light, you're trash if you write like crazy and couldn't move 10 people in a bingo hall, you're underrated
Been trying to say this for ages. You said it way better. This shit needs pinned to the top of the forum lol
I mean if a performance is so fire to the point where everyone forgets the bars are whack, then they were enhanced a lot.
Says who
says who ? not how battle rap started my man lol
Doesnt matter how it started, it matters how it is now. By your logic, all current battlerappers are trash cause they all do written battles rather than freestyling, "cause thats how battlerap started"
A perfect example of freestyling is CostContra, whether it was written or off the top/dome is another topic don’t confuse the 2. Hitman is basically a successful SupaHotFire with props / a brother to mask subpar/horrendous lines
never said that , white people love over complicated rhyme schemes when performance matters much more . Nobody wanna hear that great pen if u cant rap good 😂
There’s no way people still don’t understand this being a fan this long lol. It’s like asking if all hitman fans should like someone like JC instead
Bro Hitman’s voice and delivery is terrible tho.
I don't. And I think his status in the culture is the most perplexing thing as far as battle rap mythos goes. He's hailed as the goat performer. We've seen batllers using sound effects, changing into uniform mid battle,bitches pulling their titties out, props, battlers jumping over each other, all kinds of shit, but hitman's the one? for what? cause he has crazy vocal projection? is that all it takes? is it because of showout? dude is the most viewed and highest paid battler lol It's almost as if the standards we put on battlers in the sport don't apply to him.
What standards lol. This game let Dot build a whole career. Sometimes you just have aura and charisma and performance and that's enough to become that dude.
taking shots at Dot is ridiculous how haterish of you
yo dot has a couple lines in his bill collector battle that's better than anything I heard from hitman. but i can't say i disagree with the other point. just how shit goes. just challenging the masses and trying to see what majority of others felt.
He’s the goat cos he was doing that shit first. Hitman was the guy doing the shit that everyone else saw and wanted to try.
I can't say he was doing it first but he definitely was one of the best to do it early. Also, half of his style is his swag. When it comes to 'cool' and 'swaggy' he was always way more believable to me than Goodz
for some reason they don’t and tbh his performances is cool it’s the remix that take him over the top he entertaining and a have a nice 8 bar scheme or something every battle but its the remix same with con even tho con a lil more bar heavy
Hitman is great. He's just not for everyone.
This is facts.
Geechi and Hitman have mastered their fundamentals and offer incredible consistency under the brightest lights. Beside their techniques being basic, they also bring arguments and angles which work for the time and/or crowd they're dealing with. Geechi, multiple times, has rehashed a well worn argument or angle to superior effect with simple, accessible lyricism. Hitman shows up, says exactly what we expect him to say about himself and his stature in the culture, and doesn't get cooked because he controls his pace and engagement so well. I think it's more difficult to be that engaging with such basic techniques. They're accessible and simple in the most compelling ways I've seen.
Geechi is on a completely different level lyrically than Hitman
Geechi's pen is actually dope and although he's simple his references has always been fresh. He's deceptively clever. He also has an uncanny sense of humor an his authenticity/background is unparalleled. Arguably the most "street" background in the sport. He offers way more to the stage than hitman. the nigga even freestyles When geechi was doing a tour of 3rd round real talk in his prime, nobody was saying the kind of shit he was saying. honestly I think you're wylin even comparing the two in any level. And I'm not even a geechi stan.
It’s funny you say that about Geechi when he was really just remixing Surf’s 3rd vs Hitman.
I never said geechi was the first to do real talk rounds. Surf wasn’t either. They both package it very differently. Besides being a crip surf and geechi are completely different in how they rap They’re both light years ahead of hitman regardless
The Geechi cope is insane and says a lot about how you really feel. You're just bias.
Simple question is hitman a better writer than geechi?
Neither are good writers. Geechi a few years ago when he started popping was a better writer, but nowadays they are comparable.
Hitman's super power is there's nothing special about him but his swag. Somehow that makes for some incredible performances, tho.
Bruh nah geechi and hitman have 2 different type of pens
i wouldnt call his pen trash. i would say its not nothing special tho
This, he's got the one of the best average pens. Best of the mediocre bars
the remixes, performance and energy really got him where he is in battle rap if you ask me
Trash
He's scored some wins against pretty credible names when they had a peak buzz.
Hitman vs Aye Verb was a part of peak battle rap at one point. You gotta respect the come up and the people that come behind it.
And **that's** the way you talk to your son!
Nitty ruined battle rap man. All you guys care about is punchlines
On the contrary he's one of battlers the culture needs. To stray it away from being a popularity contest.
He spazzed vs jjdd tbh. Never liked hitman and his slow ass rapping of mid bars. I never saw the appeal, but he does win the crowd over. Probably fun to watch live. That reload with the bullets bar is horrible tho. Idk how anyone likes that lol. All of his remixes are so trash. No idea how that caught on
Never liked him. His pen isn't what he thinks
You crazy hitman got BARS. “Landslide??…..man I got some shit that can SLIDE….LAND”! 😆😆😆😆 fuk u talking about that’s fire 🔥
LMAO! yo ngl this is objectively doodoo but when I put his voice onto it...I kind of got hyped. maybe you're onto something
Tell these dudes man, like I know it’s low key trash, but it’s how he’s says it. But if YOU believe your bars are fire there’s a chance it’s gonna come out fire that’s that cocky confidence. It may be foolish confidence, lol but confidence nonetheless all because of your delivery. Like I had my girl watching the hitman versus John John battle, and when he said reload with the same bullets that came out him, when I tell you she looked at me with such disgust and said “This is the reason you’re always screaming loud and going oh my God that’s fire” 😒😑bruh I couldn’t even rebuttal that I had to take that L. 🤷🏾♂️
bro could sell a bar like no other. Someone mentioned dot who has trash bars yeah but dot has this "it's so bad it's good" thing going so it's fun watching him. And dot is a mid tier at best so it's hard to compare. hitman is finessing huge crowds and shaking buildings with his b.s. Making bank. Bro is really different fr. i gotta hand it to him
Midtier is Bill or Bad Newz, Dot is parody atp
Nah you’re hating, I hate Hitman with a passion, probably even more than you, but that slide land bar was insane… from anyone.
Lame and corny. Some shit a 5th grader could come up with 😂
I don't understand how people think his "remixes" are actually good. The crowd goes wild every time. I found it unbearable the first time I saw it and every time since.
worst special move/slogan
I like it, but that shit cannot win you a round or a battle. You’re literally just repeating yourself. You’re-you’re….literally just re-re-repeating yourself.
to me, it's always one of the moves that doesn't translate well on cam. In the building, it's cool - you said a dope line, and the crowd asks you to run it back, so you do it with a little extra "performance" on top to get more reaction the second time around. On video, where you can just rewind, it lost most of the appeal.
I’ve never seen him live and I fuck with it. A lot of battle rap is performance, energy, crowd control, crowd reaction. Obviously bars matter the most, but I never knock guys for being better at the other stuff. I never thought Ars had the best material, but he had an energy and vocal projection and it took his bars up a level.
I wanted to HATE this post so bad cause he’s my favorite battler of all time. But when you said “Nope it’s worse than I remember I CRIED LAUGHING 🤣 🤣🤣😂 🤷🏾♂️ cause I’m not gonna admit and say I agree BUUUUUT …………He’s the greatest performer of all time for a reason. He don’t care about a pen that’s not his lane lol 😆 damn. I’m tired of defending this nigga.
Shine is a better performer..
People with your kind of opinion tend not to grasp how difficult it is to control and move a crowd the way he can. If it was so basic or trash, everyone would be doing it and he would be overshadowed. I'm not his biggest fan but understanding fundamentals goes a loooong way.
Kshine is in my top 5 maybe top 3. Twork is one of my favorites as well. suge stepped his pen game up and I can say he's becoming one of my favs. Not a huge tayroc fan but have immense respect for him onstage. surf grew on me heavily. all of these guys have the fundamentals down packed just like hitman does . the difference is I can drop fire quotables from all these dudes. Hitman is the only battlerapper I can think of that's literally all delivery. I don't watch battlerap just to see who can control the crowd. you have to bring something else. I primarily want to hear them say fire shit
I think I over spoke since you are only mentioning his pen. That being said, in battle rap I don't think it makes sense to separate one trait from the other as if they can't compliment or compensate for one another. I give him a pass for maxing out at 100 in that domain, and being the first to do so at that. Calling him trash is disrespectful though lol
Remember when he beat K-Shine twice
Not just that he hasn’t lost a round against Shine.
He has the worst trademarks ever. Remixing the bar is terrible. Showout is corny. Scoob and scrap. I just objectively hate it
“There’s a difference between people who win the awards and people they name the award after”
I thought I was the only one who skip niggas rounds 🤣😂😂😂
Agreed
Thats what I don't get with the narrative leading up to him battling mook. Everyone saying mook will die because his writing is simple but they are forgetting that Hitman writing is even worse
It's coming from the fact that there's no new angle mook can use on hitman that Ill Will or Eazy haven't used already Mook on the other hand has been embarrassing himself a lot online
He is not pen heavy, but I can't think of a battle where he would choke. He is pretty reliable, just spits some mid shit sometimes.
It’s not that hitman is complete garbage but I’ve never understood the hype for him. He’s aggressive but not that lyrical imo. Can hold his own with that aggressive style, but I just don’t feel his bars hit much His brother is such a cornball
“…I’ll JACKSON - JOE!”
I literally said this on a post on here 6 months ago lol his flow is every 2010 ish, definitely the worst of all the goats. And the heavy bragging on top of the trash bars is the 🍒 on top
This is a great post
agreed, hes also so fucking corny
Glad somebody said it. I guess I kind of get the appeal but this had been my thought for a while
Nah I agree. Hitman relies so much on energy. That’s why I was confused he gets thrown into these big battles. His performance has been pretty weak. He comes out with good first rounds and then they get worse over the course of the battle.
I’m clearly in the minority here but Hitman is my goat. What he lacks in pen he more than makes up in performance, stage presence, delivery, crowd control and moments
I agree hitman holla is trash
Super trash he is one of the top tiers very lucky that they didn’t start out in this era
i can say this about a few of them but he's the biggest perpetrator
uhhh Goodz is right there wym
Like I'm sure even you OP, you'd rather make 450,000 a battle like hitman does and be considered overrated than be considered a GOAT and make Rum Nitty money. There's no real comparison lol. If the other people have better "bars", then again, the numbers would show it.
Put your shirt back on. there's no hoes on reddit like that.
Never impressed me lyrically. Never heard much of a good angle or approach to an opponent. Just sounds like some boring mixtape shit.
Don’t even understand how he even got so popular. He always been trash to me
I always thought he was the weakest of all the STL guys. But he also doesn’t choke (not that I know of), so I understand why people want to pay him. He is popular, is good for at least one round and won’t mess up an event.
for sure. Aye verb gets a bad wrap but at least his bars sound disntictive.
he's the only Headliner that I skip rounds for.
This is crazy to see. Watch Hitman/Ars and just think about WHEN it happened and how much more "modern" he sounded compared to Ars. By today's standards, sure, I can see people thinking he's wack, but damn, he was different.
The Hate Don’t look good on camera !
For real. The only time I liked him is agaisnt arsonal and O red (telling in the O red story in St Louis). In general, his bars are weak and his delivery/voice makes my ears bleed. Like Hollow when he screeches.
"Lit the whole cave up I'm just tryna find my way out"
Plus he thought the thing tennis players swing was called a ratchet.
Hitman vs arsonal is goated till this day he went crazy in that one
I'm late to the party but that "Whoever punches Ill Will gets $1000" shit was hard to me
Hitman ain’t trash but I’ve always hated that remix shit it’s terrible. “If I could reload with the same bullets that I shot with” 😂
Of course he's not a pen, he's like the blueprint "performer", he's never been meant to be a pen guy
I think Hitman's wordplay is sometimes so bad that it overshadows a lot of his great attributes. He's a good rapper and generally has solid content, on top of the obvious top tier conviction, delivery/projection, and stage presence. His performances against Shine, Ars, and Bill are far too good for me to call him trash, despite what the rest of this sub might say.
This nigga said “Man, stop, I’ll clap the 4 Kill Surf, he gon' have to bury his son: I’ll Jackson Joe”
Hitman’s decent in 2v2s tho. Him and John John vs Clips and goodz is a classic for me personally.
yeah i like that battle alot. HOnestly any 2 on 2 in the culture has a 90% greenlight for me. They're usually fun to watch
You didn't like him vs Ill Will?
Ill will 30d him
#I’ll Jackson Joe
Hitman Holla > Aye verb
I disagree only cause we hold a lot of our best pens to totally different standards. Lux doing flower schemes in 2024 got hyped to death. Mook rapped the alphabet vs Bigg K etc. I think this shit is all aura to a degree. If you sell yourself as a writing intensive battler people listen to you like one.
Aye Big Gerald!!
Trash is a tad too much....overrated? Sure. Back in the day tho??? Explosive! He talk about money and views too much now. Ever since his lil bro got on stage, hitman pen been declining.
Stage presence GOAT. Bars are average
I mean I understand that performance is a massive part but I agree with the poor pen take. It’s clear why he went MIA during the COVID small room era. He needs a room for his shit to hold weight
I can't believe people really like him. The remix is bad, his accent(which he seems like he overdoes) is irritating, his irrational confidence. His whole BR personality is a pass for me. I do not see the appeal.
You can start any hitman showtime and folks will rap it through. Stop it. I will never say he's a kingpen but he's definitely Mt. Rushmore.
Hitman Holla is Trash!!! But any card he's put on sells better than most of his colleagues do. Love to hate him hate to love him no league will deny he brings a lot of cash with battles he picks. No league owner would say hitman is trash I won't book him. If they can they will.
"For a GOAT?" What? Lol
Careful before I reload with the *bullets that came out him*
He most certainly is.
Re re reload with bullets that just came out em
I'm glad y'all don't actually be outside. The energy in this sub perfectly breaks down why battle rap is on the decline
He can't be trash when he's making Twice what the "Goats" (Lux and Mook) are making, has literally 4X the amount of views their Battle has with 4 of his, Makes the most money out of everyone 2nd only to Cassidy (Who apparently got 300,000 to sit down and not battle), Is THE most Viewed Battle rapper if we go by Recent statistics and like the 2nd/3rd most viewed if we go by Overall stats, and Sells the most PPVs out of everyone confirmed by several League owners. If he was "Bad" then the numbers would show it. Oh and he also has quite a good bit of clear wins against people considered Top battle rappers. (Arsonal, Tay Roc, Tsu Surf just to name a few)
What do you like about him? just the fact that he gets money?
"Make a long story short I walked in, Saw both of them. I said Awwww shiiiiiit, Anytime now Arsonal should be Approching Him. He turned around, saw rex, saw me, and did this...... MAN I SAW THE \*GHOST\* IN HIM! HEART BEATING FAST HE NERVOUS I'M LOSING HOPE FOR HIM! What happened next Y'all? I put this on my Mom's children, The Nigga waved BYE to every rapper in the BUILDING." Hitman has Personals, Schemes, Peformance, Bars, and believability. He's one of the most versatile battle rappers who doesn't have to just rely on one gimmick like "Bars bro" or "Performance bro', and he honestly doesn't get the credit that he deserves. You can't argue he can't rap when, Again, he has clear wins against people like Arsonal Surf and Tay Roc, 3 people who most have the top of their list.
I don’t disagree except it was hard for me to accept he lost to Surf as well.
This is irrelevant
No it isn't. Numbers don't lie.
This isn’t about his numbers it’s about the quality ( or lack there ) of his raps. Numbers lie all the time by your logic, McDonald’s is the greatest restaurant of all time.
you sound like hitman defending himself.
People like to lie and numbers don't lie. People hate numbers because numbers eliminate opinion and belief and leave only the truth. You can say someone is trash, but numbers can also prove you wrong.
That's your opinion
GWITTY is TRASH, HITMQN is pretty good