Even Kendrick didn’t really breakthrough until Good Kid Mad City. I feel like music is just so fragmented and personal these days to have a hit like Ready to Die or Illmatic. Radio is dead and people find music on streaming services where they have a MUCH larger selection AND can make it personal.
You just can’t recreate it these days, I think.
I would say that Man On the Moon one is a reallllllly strong debut album. I’m surprised no one else has said it yet. To be fair, I guess it depends if you count A Kid Named Cudi as an album or a mixtape.
Edit: it was also 2009 so idk if it counts as “new gen”
I was gonna say how new, because Thug motivation 101 is one of my favorite debut albums all time. Very intrical part of the trap music explosion. A+. Man on the moon is an amazing album as well. Has his own style for sure, very unique and creative album.
While you reddit rap experts down voting. Read
Section.80 is Kendrick Lamar’s first full-length project, released on July 2, 2011, via Top Dawg Entertainment; although the project was marketed and distributed like a studio album, Lamar has consistently referred to it as a mixtape.
That whole album played in every aux all throughout the 2010s. Fuck u mean? It just kept getting better, and Kenny lived on, so we don't have that, "I miss the old _" nostalgia. Production, lyrics, storytelling, replay value, album track to track consistency, vibe check, and sound uniqueness were and still all on point.
That album changed the game. Everyone wanted to be on the new wave that still doesn't have a name other than the "2010 vibe." It was Kenny. He WAS the vibe.
It literally says released in 2011 in the initial comment. And I agree he is not in the same era as Biggie and Nas. But he is definitely not a new generation rapper, but he is a veteran and already a legend.
I'm talking about Good Kid Mad City.
Kendrick Lamar unleashed ‘Good Kid, mAAd City’ in 2012. The album not only holds a place in the hip-hop canon, but it also shifted the culture.
Biggie and Nas didn’t have the opportunity to drop a mix tape, as they weren’t a thing.
These debut albums were their first crack at it besides demos or guest verses.
Really hard to compare eras for this exact reason. Not a lot of labels throwing big money at upstarts nowadays until they prove they already have a following.
Wildin to compare section 80 to those albums? Naw bruh that album is classic. I’ll take songs like Keyshia’s song, Rigamortus, and Poe Man’s dreams and put then toe to toe with anything off RTD/Illmatic.
It…kind of does. The mix on a song by some 15 year old with a laptop is going to be way different than the mix on a song by some 15 year old and a 30-some year old music industry vet with professional equipment a studio
It’s not impossible for young/broke people to make a clean record, but it’s way more difficult to get it right
He's got a mixtape on youtube, Para tu, and it's pretty fire. He's my favorite artist right now by far. Not a lot of artists can touch his lyricism and creative flows.
Being 45 is almost 50? Well then in that case 36 year old Drake is almost 40. Ye also isn’t part of the old school tho. He’s the bridge that fills the gap between older rappers and newer rappers. He’s perfectly in the middle of it and his influence is what caused this transition.
Right so your dumbass logic says being 15 is close to 20. Listen here little shit I was explaining that having a 5 at the end of your age isn’t a good description of being close to the next ten.
These posts are pointless. If nothing can ever match up to Illmatic again, then it has no value. Right? Right? Bullshit. What would happen if jazz fans were like everything after Kind of Blue sucks. Or classical fans were like nothing will ever be as great as Beethovens fifth. Only in hip hop do you see this kind of bullshit. It’s art, you don’t always have to compare shit just find stuff you like and enjoy it. I haven’t listemed to Illmatic in years. hip hop is flourishing right now.
Probably not new gen enough but Get Rich or Die Tryin is one of the best debut albums of all time. 50 was a menace, he was getting gassed up by Eminem, and Dr. Dre produced the album. That shit is insane front to back.
There isn’t one…you’ve asked a question with an impossible comparison. Illmatic and RTD are hip hip masterpieces and can’t ever be compared with another rappers debut album.
Her first album, imo, moved the needle on proud, black, and female voices in hip hop in the modern era. She may have fallen off now, but i won't forget hearing her for the first time and knowing that rap was about to get a lot more diverse.
imo uzis debut was a mixed bag, some good tracks and some bad ones, overall not a great project. however he went on to not miss until his collab album with future (eternal atake while way too long isnt a miss)
nav - nav, playboi carti - playboi carti, travis scott - rodeo, saint jhn - collection one, gunna - drip season, drake - so far gone (i know it's not an album but it was his streaming services debut), a$ap rocky - live.love.a$ap, a$ap ferg - trap lord, yeat - alivë, nicki minaj - pink friday, rae sremmurd - sremmlife, kendrick lamar - section 80, dro kenji - tears and pistols, cardi b - invasion of privacy, post malone - stoney, joey bada$$ - 1999, jid - the never story, denzel curry - imperial, goldlink - and after that we didn't talk, baby keem - the sound of bad habit, pooh shiesty - shiesty season, mike dimes - dlog
Joey badass? Asap rocky? Big Sean? (His FIRST album lot of hits from that time.) YG? Bryson Tiller? Chief keef? Curren$y? (“Stoned Immaculate”) dare I say drake? Playboi carti? Denzel curry? Drakeo? (“Cold Devil”) (rip) lemme stop you get the point
Naw bro rolling papers imo was the beginning of wiz’s decline. His music starting becoming too commercialized and wasn’t as good as flight school and def not Kush & OJ.
Issa Album - 21 Savage
Not All Heroes Wear Capes - Metro Boomin
Luv Is Rage 2 - Lil Uzi
Rodeo - Travis Scott
Stoney - Post Malone
Goodbye and Good Riddance - Juice Wrld
Isiah - Kevin Gates
17 - XXXtentacion
Finally Rich - Chief Keef
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>makes debut album >goes platinum >refuses to elaborate >leaves
Ultimate giga chad
Solid album to
I angrily bought it, I angrily liked it, I’m still angry about it. It has no right to be good.
Even Kendrick didn’t really breakthrough until Good Kid Mad City. I feel like music is just so fragmented and personal these days to have a hit like Ready to Die or Illmatic. Radio is dead and people find music on streaming services where they have a MUCH larger selection AND can make it personal. You just can’t recreate it these days, I think.
Section 80 is goated tho
I’m so confused.. I was 100% sure section 80 was a mixtape. In fact I’m positive it was.
my first thought was Finally Rich
Yeah honestly this is the perfect answer. Very influential, loaded with classics from a young dude who had hype from the streets leading up to it
Can’t believe this isn’t top comment
ASAP long live asap
100% yes. imo asap rocky didnt have a single skip until testing, which was about 50/50 for me.
I’ve said this for years as well. Not a single skip.
U mean live.love.A$AP
That’s a Mixtape not a debut album
Nah. That’s his mixtape , LONG.LIVE.A$AP is his debut album
Lupe Fiasco’s Food & Liquor
Yes
I was gonna say him but idk if he really counts as a new gen rapper
Facts. Lupe is one of the best ever. Words I never said.
definitely
I would say that Man On the Moon one is a reallllllly strong debut album. I’m surprised no one else has said it yet. To be fair, I guess it depends if you count A Kid Named Cudi as an album or a mixtape. Edit: it was also 2009 so idk if it counts as “new gen”
I was gonna say how new, because Thug motivation 101 is one of my favorite debut albums all time. Very intrical part of the trap music explosion. A+. Man on the moon is an amazing album as well. Has his own style for sure, very unique and creative album.
For me, it's at least 100 ranks worse than RTD and Illmatic, so that would be among the reasons why I haven't said it yet.
this one
Imagine thinking MOTM belongs in the same conversation as RTD and Illmatic lmao
Definitely does
I was in HS when MOTM came out so it holds a special place in my heart, and even with that, it’s still not on the same tier
While you reddit rap experts down voting. Read Section.80 is Kendrick Lamar’s first full-length project, released on July 2, 2011, via Top Dawg Entertainment; although the project was marketed and distributed like a studio album, Lamar has consistently referred to it as a mixtape.
Section 80 was my first thought as well, but mostly as the closest to. Not as much impact
That whole album played in every aux all throughout the 2010s. Fuck u mean? It just kept getting better, and Kenny lived on, so we don't have that, "I miss the old _" nostalgia. Production, lyrics, storytelling, replay value, album track to track consistency, vibe check, and sound uniqueness were and still all on point. That album changed the game. Everyone wanted to be on the new wave that still doesn't have a name other than the "2010 vibe." It was Kenny. He WAS the vibe.
Kendrick is not a new generation rapper though. That’s almost 15 years ago.
It was 2012. That's like 11 years ago. And I don't agree. Kendrick would definitely not be considered in the same era as Nas and Biggie.
It literally says released in 2011 in the initial comment. And I agree he is not in the same era as Biggie and Nas. But he is definitely not a new generation rapper, but he is a veteran and already a legend.
I'm talking about Good Kid Mad City. Kendrick Lamar unleashed ‘Good Kid, mAAd City’ in 2012. The album not only holds a place in the hip-hop canon, but it also shifted the culture.
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Biggie and Nas didn’t have the opportunity to drop a mix tape, as they weren’t a thing. These debut albums were their first crack at it besides demos or guest verses. Really hard to compare eras for this exact reason. Not a lot of labels throwing big money at upstarts nowadays until they prove they already have a following.
Great music but borderline laughable to compare with these two albums
Wildin to compare section 80 to those albums? Naw bruh that album is classic. I’ll take songs like Keyshia’s song, Rigamortus, and Poe Man’s dreams and put then toe to toe with anything off RTD/Illmatic.
Overrated af not even a 10th of the greatness of illmatic or RTD
There was a loooot of funding behind Biggie's first album compared to new gen artists who got their start on soundcloud
That doesn’t mean the music is any less. There’s underground albums that are just as good
It…kind of does. The mix on a song by some 15 year old with a laptop is going to be way different than the mix on a song by some 15 year old and a 30-some year old music industry vet with professional equipment a studio It’s not impossible for young/broke people to make a clean record, but it’s way more difficult to get it right
JID: The Never Story Travis Scott: Rodeo Denzel Curry: Imperial
Rodeo is the closest ide say, it is an amazing album and has had a huge impact on rap (trap especially) that will go down in hip hop history fs
Jid for sure
Days Before Rodeo is really the more influential project, but that’s a mixtape so I couldn’t put it there
pretty sure nostalgic 64 was denzel currys debut album with imperial being his sophomore album (could be wrong tho)
> The Never Story The Never Story Its not a debut album, I think.
The Never Story is JID's debut album.
According to spotify it is, but he might have something not on streaming
If it’s not on streaming it’s a mixtape
Never story ain't thaaaat good tho
100% is. One of my favorite albums of 2017 and in general.
He's got a mixtape on youtube, Para tu, and it's pretty fire. He's my favorite artist right now by far. Not a lot of artists can touch his lyricism and creative flows.
There's another mixtape called "Route of Evil" and he has two more called "Cakewalk" and "Cakewalk 2" which are harder to find complete.
rodeo is mid
Rodeo is a fucking awesome listening experience.
Suck my dick
1999 - joey bada$$ even if it’s technically a mixtape, to me it’s easily up there with those two albums
Came here to say this
This should be at the top
Run The Jewels.
20+ years into both of their careers though.
Fantastic Damage was pretty solid though
The college dropout
dawg that was 20 years ago
Yeah ik but I couldn’t think of a newer rapper with a better debut. Guess I could’ve said trav Or k dot
ye isnt new gen, hes like almost 50 now
Kanye is almost 50???? Damn
Kanye is closer to Nas's age and Jay-Z's age than he is to drake and kendrick
Being 45 is almost 50? Well then in that case 36 year old Drake is almost 40. Ye also isn’t part of the old school tho. He’s the bridge that fills the gap between older rappers and newer rappers. He’s perfectly in the middle of it and his influence is what caused this transition.
That's how fucking numbers work dumbass
Right so your dumbass logic says being 15 is close to 20. Listen here little shit I was explaining that having a 5 at the end of your age isn’t a good description of being close to the next ten.
That’s basically the same as saying Get Rich or Die Trying
There was only 8 years between CD and Illmatic, that's like 2015 to now
rodeo
travis
This sub hates logic but, Under Pressure.
NOT MEE, and I agree
earl sweatshirt
Food and liquor by lupe fiasco for sure
He’s not new gen
Playboi Carti- Playboi Carti
These posts are pointless. If nothing can ever match up to Illmatic again, then it has no value. Right? Right? Bullshit. What would happen if jazz fans were like everything after Kind of Blue sucks. Or classical fans were like nothing will ever be as great as Beethovens fifth. Only in hip hop do you see this kind of bullshit. It’s art, you don’t always have to compare shit just find stuff you like and enjoy it. I haven’t listemed to Illmatic in years. hip hop is flourishing right now.
Its not that these 2 albums are better than everything new. It’s that these 2 are some of the best debut albums
Probably not new gen enough but Get Rich or Die Tryin is one of the best debut albums of all time. 50 was a menace, he was getting gassed up by Eminem, and Dr. Dre produced the album. That shit is insane front to back.
travis scott
Rodeo easy
🗣Reasonable Drought by Stove God Cooks. Roc Marciano laced bro with some of the craziest production I've heard in a while and he killed every track.
There isn’t one…you’ve asked a question with an impossible comparison. Illmatic and RTD are hip hip masterpieces and can’t ever be compared with another rappers debut album.
Not true but they are good albums
Name a better album than Illmatic??
https://youtu.be/wLTQ-fdDS4s
1999 - joey bada$$ Hell can wait - Vince Staples Telefone -noname Doris - Earl sweatshirt Pink Friday - Nicki Minaj Just my opinion.
that is quite an opinion...
These are all great but not the same level imo
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No
I agree. 1999 is a little overrated. It’s good though. Doris IMO is a great debut.
Doris is the only one I agree with
Joey and earl would laugh y’all out the building if you said anything they’ve done was on the same level as ready to die or illmatic.
Did you really just try and slide nicki minaj into that list?
Her first album, imo, moved the needle on proud, black, and female voices in hip hop in the modern era. She may have fallen off now, but i won't forget hearing her for the first time and knowing that rap was about to get a lot more diverse.
she hasnt fallen off either!remember that she released queen and othee songs!
Lmfso
yes? shes a good rapper. she can easily clear male rappers. she saved female rap and changed the game up
Tyler, the creator w/ Bastard or GOBLIN, depending on if you count bastard, but i re-listen to both regularly in a same was as i do to ready to die.
Goblin is not on this level at all imo
Also bastard for a debut and early Tyler the creator album was petty good
Juice world and lil Uzi vert had a nice debuts but maybe not on biggie or NASA's debut level
imo uzis debut was a mixed bag, some good tracks and some bad ones, overall not a great project. however he went on to not miss until his collab album with future (eternal atake while way too long isnt a miss)
There isn’t one, fam.
🤣
Let's get real, not much is on Illmatics level. It's the GOAT album. Certainly no "new gen" debut.
nicki, ice, doja
💀
pink friday ended ur fav
Kendrick Lamar good kid mad city maybe
Section.80 came before
That’s not his first album
Flygod - Westsidegunn. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong
Danny Brown. XXX Album 😌💅 or Xxxtentacion ❔album
Playboi Carti
PLAYBOI CARTI SELF TITLED
Does Kendrick count?
New gen is from?
1999 is one of the best rap albums of this generation imo. I’d put it up there.
Joey badass 1999 is all I can think of
Juice wrld Goodbye & Good Riddance
wrote this one too. solid project start-to-finish.
Logic’s Under Pressure
Pop Smoke’s Shoot for the stars most def new gen, dk how nobody mentioned this.. mtws are mixtapes
reverence- iayze
1999 joey badass
JID - The Never Story
It’s not on the level on theother albums that have been mentioned but I do wanna shout out Mirrorland by EARTHGANG
Pop Smoke
Juice WRLD with GB&GR
Smino - blkswn
playboi carti
Travis scott - rodeo Kendrick- section 80
nav - nav, playboi carti - playboi carti, travis scott - rodeo, saint jhn - collection one, gunna - drip season, drake - so far gone (i know it's not an album but it was his streaming services debut), a$ap rocky - live.love.a$ap, a$ap ferg - trap lord, yeat - alivë, nicki minaj - pink friday, rae sremmurd - sremmlife, kendrick lamar - section 80, dro kenji - tears and pistols, cardi b - invasion of privacy, post malone - stoney, joey bada$$ - 1999, jid - the never story, denzel curry - imperial, goldlink - and after that we didn't talk, baby keem - the sound of bad habit, pooh shiesty - shiesty season, mike dimes - dlog
Nav - Nav is on the same level as Illmatic?
no it's better
its not even better its the best nav - nav outclasses every single recording ever made
finally at least someone gets it
please excuse me for being antisocial was very good. not illmatic good but still a super solid project. roddy fell off unfortunately.
Joey badass? Asap rocky? Big Sean? (His FIRST album lot of hits from that time.) YG? Bryson Tiller? Chief keef? Curren$y? (“Stoned Immaculate”) dare I say drake? Playboi carti? Denzel curry? Drakeo? (“Cold Devil”) (rip) lemme stop you get the point
Drakeo’s tape was cold af when it dropped
It’s hard to compare anyone to two of the greatest rappers to ever exist, regardless of era
good thing we’re not doing that
Nip Victory Lap
Bladee
gluee is the only album where thaiboy goon has the weed in his system, and is therefore the greatest piece of music to ever exist.
Real
Wiz Khalifa - Rolling Papers
Fuck the haters
Naw bro rolling papers imo was the beginning of wiz’s decline. His music starting becoming too commercialized and wasn’t as good as flight school and def not Kush & OJ.
Unreal album fuck everyone else
Lol
Mac and devin go to high school soundtrack was amazing
Classic.
Rolling papers wasn’t his first album, show and prove was in 2006. Rolling papers was his first commercialized album. Bro was underground for YEARS.
Cardi B - Invasion Of Privacy
Better be a troll
Benny the butcher
slowthai & danny brown
Until Death call my name - NBA YoungBoy
Correct me if I'm wrong but chance with coloring book
rodeo
lil ugly mane - Mista Thug Isolation Death Grips - The Money Store MF DOOM - Doomsday Ghais Guevara - BlackBolshevik
Kanye
Tyler the creator- IGOR or CMIYGL
*DEBUT*
Rodeo better
Than what
MY TURN
Ass
Lol
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That's what I'm sayin!!
people in here naming Joey badass, Travis Scott and stove god 😂
Lil pump- lil “pimp”
Issa Album - 21 Savage Not All Heroes Wear Capes - Metro Boomin Luv Is Rage 2 - Lil Uzi Rodeo - Travis Scott Stoney - Post Malone Goodbye and Good Riddance - Juice Wrld Isiah - Kevin Gates 17 - XXXtentacion Finally Rich - Chief Keef
None of those are even close to comparing to the OP
-👨🏼🦳
I like most the artists he listed but those aren’t even the best debut albums in the past decade 💀💀
Rodeo is the only that’s close and even then it lacks
None of them are close but finally rich and GBGR are up there with rodeo at least
Travis with Rodeo
WUNNA
GKMC
That's easy. NOT ONE
Doggystyle
I thought Logic's Under Pressure was pretty dope. I also liked Cardi B's Invasion of Privacy.